veteran-class

[near shore]

Well if I'm using a gun that's ass against armor, like vraks 7

[bitter turtle]

Idk mine is so close that literally a few more percent in the dmg might do it

[crude ermine]

Damn they all just left in the first minute

[iron marten]

I mainly use Rashad with my Revolver anyway, so Crushers and Maulers aren't an issue

[trim steppe]

Personally I run my rashad for horde and run an anti-armor gun, so I wouldnt take thrust on it

[near shore]

You're doing live test?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[terse idol]

I'm the opposite,

[near shore]

Fair

[terse idol]

I run rashad for both

And a revolver for range

And to kill ranged crushers

[near shore]

I use agripinna shotgun+ Dclaw

I can deal with anything

[terse idol]

I got a weapon spec with a rashad, and a revolver

[idle swallow]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/248/361/ed8.gif

[near shore]

Now I will give you, surgical is goated on the revolver

[iron marten]

idk, I guess I just have power sword brainrot, which I just run to a crusher horde of 8 and just melee them to death

[dusty sluice]

this is how far i'm off dreg one hits

[near shore]

Surgical + hand cannon + carapace + flak = goated

[bitter turtle]

Wow even worse than mine lul

Gotta do flak then

[dusty sluice]

this is without ht

:(

[bitter turtle]

Ya mine doesn't either

[dusty sluice]

ah

[bitter turtle]

I have decimator on mine lol

Which I'm not stacking for my test

[near shore]

I mean thrust is great, but isn't mandatory

[bitter turtle]

Since it falls off so easy

[timber phoenix]

what are best blessings for blasma again?

[fresh mango]

is this fixable btw?

[bitter turtle]

Gets hot blaze away

[iron marten]

my rashad for bruisers 😌

[trim steppe]

btw @iron marten thanks again for psych ward, the mod is a dream come true lol, changed my life

[bitter turtle]

Glory hunter ok too

[iron marten]

no problem!

[terse idol]

I would say it's more important to run unarmoured and flak than change

Waiiit

What talents do you have

[near shore]

Eehhh....

[terse idol]

Do you have the 30% weakpoint

[dusty sluice]

thats pretty bricked

[near shore]

Ya

[timber phoenix]

u guys got a plasma VoC survivalist build I can steal?

[near shore]

It's bad

[terse idol]

With 30% weakpoint?

[trim steppe]

personally, I would strip it for T4 Terrifying and look for another

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b19ca6a-2b47-4402-bde5-7c8cd553a81e/vet-rashad ye

[bitter turtle]

U want Middle or right keystone

[terse idol]

[near shore]

Don't have plasma build cause I dislike the weapon

[bitter turtle]

?

[timber phoenix]

middle

[near shore]

Shouldn't you do middle keystone on plasma

[trim steppe]

dislike how broken and op it is? or dislike how it plays

[near shore]

Dislike how it plays

[fresh mango]

well damm, thanks fellas

[bitter turtle]

right is strong on plasma too

since its a melee heavy weapon

and swaps p fast

honestly it plays a lot like volver so right works

[wicked zenith]

I got a goofy revovler

[bitter turtle]

anyway let me make one

[iron marten]

idm the plasma, cause I used to be a bolter main before patch 13

[near shore]

I'm usually running a weapon specialist build, with shotgun and Dclaw,it's fluid and all rounded

[serene sage]

this is what I run

[timber phoenix]

big thanks boss

[trim steppe]

plasma is well rounded cuz it kills everything, and you can take any melee to swat things that get in your personal space lol. but I hear ya, I got bored of it after a while and haven't run it in weeks

[timber phoenix]

any tips for how to shoot the thing

[iron marten]

that 10% melee damage node!

[bitter turtle]

or that works

[bitter turtle]

spam left click and never charge

[iron marten]

don't charge it up, just spam left click

[near shore]

It feels clunky as hell which is to be expected,I take Dclaw to bully bosses and ragers

[serene sage]

you aim, you shoot mostly you will use left click, right can be used once in a bluemoon to piece walls (very rare though)

[bitter turtle]

does the 8 stack matter for your BPs fox?

[wicked zenith]

Goofy ass natural (nothing changed yet), Never had suck luck that things "line up"

[trim steppe]

basically dont charge shots ever, only exception is if you have a big crusher pack and you can blast like all of em. spam left clicks at the heads of all elites and specialists and pull out your melee for hordes

[bitter turtle]

i actually like taking the stamina +tough regen more than the 8 stack lol

for most guns

[serene sage]

idfk prob not tbh

[bitter turtle]

lul

[near shore]

Tragic,it's on the cowboy one

[bitter turtle]

was just wondering

[serene sage]

but like it doesn' hurt cause it's teamwide

[bitter turtle]

yeah true

[serene sage]

maybe your teammates will hit BP

[bitter turtle]

or using automatic

[serene sage]

(though f your teammates )

[wicked zenith]

@near shore It's fun to use lol

[near shore]

Oh for sure,it's fun AF

But when I think revolver I think "I'm going to one tap crushers and maulers" in the all melee modfier

[timber phoenix]

sweet thanks

[near shore]

Love 1 tapping a crusher and refunding the round

[serene sage]

oh another thing people don't really talk about is that your mag is really high, don't obsessively reload
it's really okay to run at 70% ammo in your mag, it will last you a while

[bitter turtle]

never reload until a fight is over

[trim steppe]

plasma gun went from "meh" to "good lord how is this allowed in the game" when I stopped using charged shots

[bitter turtle]

well

i dont want to say never

but you should generally avoid it

[near shore]

I'd agree, unless you're running that 10% crit at first 10% of mag

Which that perk needs a buff

It needs to be like 25-30% of your mag

[timber phoenix]

o oke

[near shore]

Enough to give revolver 2 shots and shotguns 3

[serene sage]

probably would make las guns too strong

it's hard

[trim steppe]

yeah this, reload in the short quiet moments between hordes, and learn to animation cancel the reload which helps if you ever run out at a bad time (and also just helps you break up the reload properly with movement when you're getting harassed)

[timber phoenix]

when do i use the shredder nades

[tall torrent]

Unless you’re at like 20 ammo in your gun, u don’t need to reload plasma

[near shore]

Well it's useless on my shotgun because I get 1 maybe 2 shots

[serene sage]

but overall yeah, opening salvo is memey

[bitter turtle]

1 shredder to crowd control big enemies

[serene sage]

it's useless in nearly all guns

[near shore]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

2 shredder to wipe out a big horde of everything except crushers

and maulers

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is horrendously bad

[near shore]

Laughs in grenade buiid

[timber phoenix]

i find most blessings are fucking useless on most guns lol

[bitter turtle]

the bleed stacks

[trim steppe]

i'd use them for huge gunner packs as dreg gunners tend to be your biggest ammo drain since they usually take 2 shots. also just for any mixed hordes. 2 grenades into just about anything short of crushers will bleed out the whole thing in 5 seconds

[serene sage]

like this

[near shore]

You could make opening salvo good if they add this type of blessing
"Rapid weakspot kills refill 20% of your mag from reserves"

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo needs to work at higher mag% and give higher crit chance

[terse idol]

Ah

[tall torrent]

It’s just a meme rn

[timber phoenix]

do i only shoot at elites right

[trim steppe]

beautiful

[near shore]

Like I said,25% of your mag

[bitter turtle]

yes

[terse idol]

I love when the kill feed is looking like the credits of a movie

😌

[trim steppe]

and specialists

[bitter turtle]

if you're in a pinch i guess you can shoot one into a horde stacked in aline since it has insane cleave, but generally melee and whip it out for elites/specials only

its very good at breaking bulwark lines

[serene sage]

I shoot horde to pad my stats

and you can't stop me

[trim steppe]

oh yeah and you can shot a bulwark once to stagger it and then shoot it in hte head to consistently 2-shot them with uncharged shots

[fresh mango]

now, whats the best helbore?

[bitter turtle]

anything that isnt mk3

[junior needle]

They’re all good, but 1/2 are favored for the bayonet

[near shore]

you know, i shocked they dont have blessing for being surrounded

[fresh mango]

well shit

time to roll a new one then

[bitter turtle]

its not bad if you really like it

but

the shitty bayonet

will make u sad

compared to the other two

[near shore]

no onslaught?

[fresh mango]

Is there much of a different between 1/2

and no i never got that blessing sadly

[bitter turtle]

2 shoots faster, 1 shoots slower

1 is the middle child

[near shore]

took an L on the perks lol

[bitter turtle]

idk about that 2

[muted knot]

Why you run it with no respite ?

[bitter turtle]

that much stopping power sacced

[bitter turtle]

i run surg/no respite on my 2

no point in onslaught when im bayonetting like 90% of the time lul

[muted knot]

Yeah but you run surg

[bitter turtle]

bayonet is buffed by no respoot

so

[near shore]

i prepfer headhunter, but that works as well

[muted knot]

Guess so

[fresh mango]

damm

[muted knot]

I value the extra attack speed from onslaught very much

[fresh mango]

doubel dammit

[bitter turtle]

2 charges super fast so i dont really care about onslaught on it personally

[muted knot]

That fair

[bitter turtle]

that and i just don tshoot much

but its

playstyle

since i play the gun like a spear with a bonus gun attached

[muted knot]

I prefer the 1 so it's my reference point

[bitter turtle]

rather than a gun with a bonus spear

[muted knot]

Btw. Vraks mk7 is definitely better with both gunner onetaps and your build

My build was kinda not great

[near shore]

vraks 7 is fun

1 tap juice

[muted knot]

It's aight tbh

[fresh mango]

I gotta fix my vrak7

[muted knot]

The mag size is a bit of a bummer for me

[muted knot]

Easy fix tbh DA for between the eyes

[near shore]

its the "sniper" of the wepons

[muted knot]

I get that

[near shore]

1 tap juice, low mag

[fresh mango]

good enough for me

[muted knot]

But coming from Hellbore it feels low

[bitter turtle]

ya

[muted knot]

That's perfect

[bitter turtle]

i mean that's the niche of the gun

[muted knot]

Stability is worthless

[bitter turtle]

i dont think any other gun kills gunners as fast as v7 built correctly

[near shore]

indeed

and it just 1 tapped a rager

2k dmg lol

[muted knot]

What did ?

Vraks ?

[near shore]

ya

[bitter turtle]

needs a crit for ratger 1 tap but yes

[muted knot]

Headhunter go brrrr

[near shore]

lemme see if i can 1 tap no crit

yep

[muted knot]

Should be real hard

[near shore]

execute stance just 1 tap an armored rager

[bitter turtle]

oh

wsith exec stance

ya you can with exec stance

[muted knot]

Exec stance not exactly fair

[near shore]

ill dow without

[muted knot]

I think you can't really do it without crit or active ability

[bitter turtle]

idk how you would tbh

without a conditional

[muted knot]

Yeah

[near shore]

1402 with marksman keystone at 10

[fresh mango]

[bitter turtle]

the gun is not remotely close to a critless 1 tap on ragers

sadly

[muted knot]

Yucky perks

[bitter turtle]

even with keystones factored in

[fresh mango]

fuck you omnissiah

FUCK YOU

[near shore]

ya but 2 tap juices is still nice for reg

[bitter turtle]

yeah

2 tap is fine

also is why i run surgical

crit 1 tap

ragers take a second to aim at anyway

[near shore]

2-4 tap ogryn reapers

[muted knot]

@bitter turtle do you actually run that scope you sent yesterday?

[fresh mango]

what would i switch the perks to, maniac and,

[bitter turtle]

yes lol

i like the scope

[muted knot]

Shooting reapers is real satisfying

[bitter turtle]

it makes it feel even more snipery

[near shore]

indeed

[muted knot]

Mine somehow looks different to yours

[bitter turtle]

well

there is a lot of scopes

if u are asking which scope

[muted knot]

Theres only one with that zoom level

[bitter turtle]

no

there's more

in a new update

i used to use ranger vigil

[muted knot]

Oooohhh?

[bitter turtle]

but it looked ugly and tiny

they added more scopes with similar zoom levels

[near shore]

2 tap bulwarks

[muted knot]

I needa check that

[serene sage]

that is not what she said

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/42b78acb8ef811acca2d239c9649d366.jpg

[muted knot]

Without crit ?

[bitter turtle]

pls

[near shore]

i gotta figure out how to get the scopes mod

[bitter turtle]

lol

[near shore]

1 crit

[tiny summit]

I don't use the sights in the mod because that shit offset as fuck unless I missed some instructions

[muted knot]

Figured

[muted knot]

It do sometime fuck up a good bit

[bitter turtle]

as in the crosshairs inaccurate?

[near shore]

i feel its fair to factor for this weapon cause surgical or HH

[bitter turtle]

surgical basically guarantees at least 1 crit on your opening shot with deadshot

[near shore]

i dont use deadshot on mine

[bitter turtle]

i know

we talked about it already

[near shore]

it crits enough

[tiny summit]

The sights. You fire continuously and the bullets do not line up with sights at all.

[bitter turtle]

i still don't understand why u use HH when you get like 1 stack at most outside of crushers

but

its w/e

[fresh mango]

oh i two tap ragers

okay very good

and reapers

[bitter turtle]

honestly

maybe im just a literal moron

but i dont notice the problem

[near shore]

rapid back to back crits as needed

[bitter turtle]

LOL<

[tiny summit]

Man. Those perks suck

[fresh mango]

i mean hey i can still two tap reaper and one tap rager so it could be worse

[tiny summit]

At least mk2 is perfectly fine w/o onslaught

[bitter turtle]

HH by design doesn't really facilitate back to back crits since it only stacks when u DONT crit tho

if you constantly crit then it doing nothing

[fresh mango]

what should I switch the perks to though?

[near shore]

but for example, i just spawned 3 ragers. killed 1 in 2 head shots, 1 tap the next with crit then 2 tap the last.

[tiny summit]

Probably crit chance/unarmored/maniac/carapace. Pick your poison.

[near shore]

no need to wait for stacks

[muted knot]

Wdym, you don't loose the stack with time

[serene sage]

surgical stacks so fast I can probably 3 crit all of them before they reach me ngl (assuming I can back strafe)

[bitter turtle]

i meant on opening shot, you literally rely on not critting between targets

[tiny summit]

Flak only really matters against mauler body shots and scab ragers

[bitter turtle]

and u want to crit on a lot of targets

u dont oneshot most maniacs w/o crit

[fresh mango]

holy shit why is this bayonet so strong??

[near shore]

lol

[bitter turtle]

it used to be stronger lul

they actually already nerfed (bugfixed) it once

[tiny summit]

Do you want to swap back and forth between melee and helbore?

[fresh mango]

what the fuck its one shotting like half the specials

maybe the krieg were onto something

[tiny summit]

Yep

[serene sage]

we know

[near shore]

how goes the rounds

[muted knot]

It's a sharp piece of metal being thrust into someone's eyesocket

[fresh mango]

yeah you knew i never knew this wtf

[near shore]

disregard helbore, aquire slug shotgun

[crude ermine]

Pretty nice

Just wrapped up HH with the 2

Now onto surgi

[muted knot]

I still need a good slug shotty

[near shore]

ive got a bulid for it

[muted knot]

I saw

The cqc vet

[bitter turtle]

so

something else u probably didnt know

the bayonet is bugged

to inherit some blessings from melee

so pick a weapon with brutal momentum on it

cause it also benefits from it

[crude ermine]

The AI director REALLY wanted to drag those two runs out

[near shore]

now if youve not used much shotgun, it can take time to learn lol

[fresh mango]

how about this

[near shore]

NO

[crude ermine]

Wait why is Hitler in my run

[fresh mango]

oh wait i thought that had bm

[muted knot]

My problem is the lack of good shotgun lol

[bitter turtle]

i dont see brutal momentum on that

lol

[fresh mango]

my bad

ignore the pen

[bitter turtle]

also one other thing

u run faster

[near shore]

slug shotgun is good

[muted knot]

1 pen

[bitter turtle]

when you hold down the special action with bayonet

[bitter turtle]

kinda like knife

[crude ermine]

He's just there

[muted knot]

Noooo I need to acquire a shotgun with good stats

[near shore]

standing.....menancingly

[sharp ember]

how subversive, it’s usually a german accent psyker named adolf

[near shore]

check this

wait wrong one

[fresh mango]

they made bayonet charge a legit strat

[near shore]

there we go

[muted knot]

Is that a fucking 15790 damage crit ?

[near shore]

the 2nd is higher :3

[earnest lotus]

Cricky

[serene sage]

😎

[muted knot]

Hahaha

That is nutty

[sharp ember]

bayonet charging is legit, i WILL rush down flamers and trappers if they’re close enough

[near shore]

ive also got a bulid for it

[sharp ember]

or shish kebab dogs

[near shore]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b25dd18-2580-4558-b0bf-12d32b70aba3/avg-london-exp?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[slate sleet]

captain reddit mc crieg getting netted because he decided to do a epic bayonet charge

love to see it

[muted knot]

Devious

[near shore]

i luv its name

[earnest lotus]

Saved

[bitter turtle]

drop hunter resolve for 8 stack focus

bigger number

[muted knot]

Do you do anything other than being a belligerent asshole ?

[earnest lotus]

Can't tell if fr or just quoting a Darktide conversation

[slate sleet]

opposite day?

[sharp ember]

idk they almost always bring up reddit every time they speak

[bitter turtle]

guardsman isnt the redditor

dont take mr craim'e's job away

[near shore]

yall every just
+12 stamina total
+20% sprint efficeny
+45% sprint efficeny
+36% stamina regen
lvl 4 stripped down
duck and dive

-20% sorinct cost

[bitter turtle]

columnus deadshot does half of those at least

[slate sleet]

being immune to ranged attacks sounds cool but it does not come up that often

[bitter turtle]

you dont slide?

[slate sleet]

no i kill stuff before it shoots me usually

its a amazing build for ranged enemy only maelstorm tho

[tall torrent]

Mk2 shoots faster and has slightly worse breakpoints (also way harder to roll)

[near shore]

lmaooooo this gives u so many shots with deadshot

just got 55 shots with deadshot active

[wary galleon]

all this over saying placing ammo crate in the elevator is not the best spot

some people are so insecure they cant handle any criticism

they are infalliable xD

[near shore]

well, i mean....its not a heakth pack soooo who cares

that would only matter if u have vets perk for ammo crates

[vernal harbor]

Cries in grenadier

[wary galleon]

if they dont care. why be so passive agressive about it afterwards

lol

[near shore]

because of this

"if its not ur fault, then its my fault, and i dont like that"

[vernal harbor]

Honest mistake but personally my precious ammo crate would never touch the dirty elevator floor

[wary galleon]

i had no need for ammo, nor was the one placing

just pointing it out elevator is not the best spot lol

[vernal harbor]

I’ve never seen it happen but I’ve seen clips and that’s enough

I trust the clips

[wary galleon]

its happened twice to me

once was mistake though

[wary galleon]

understandable

[vernal harbor]

It’s a very reasonable and very smart place to put it, if the game allowed it

[wary galleon]

The elevator!??

[vernal harbor]

Hey

[wary galleon]

ello

how you doin

[vernal harbor]

Sometimes them doors open and the four horsemen are outside the opening doors

[wary galleon]

welp sure

low ammo and big ass room filed with fuck you

[vernal harbor]

But elevators are smart because it would be a nice little “stock up” or heal moment away from the chaos

[wary galleon]

though if you are just transitoning into boss room

[vernal harbor]

Oh then that’s silly

[wary galleon]

yea that was what my scenario is x)

just.... whyu

[vernal harbor]

Put his ass in the psykhanium for 100 years fighting ragers for that

[wary galleon]

why not just literally wait 5 sec and place in the middle

[near shore]

ya but to be fair....you should melee the boss

[wary galleon]

i was too

[near shore]

so it shouldnt matter about the ammo crate

[wary galleon]

though my whole team has been like below 50% ammo the entire match

[vernal harbor]

The boss doesn’t need ammo

It’s the retinue that blows the war horn and comes to his aid

Waterfall of maulers

https://tenor.com/view/throw-grenade-destroy-boom-erase-evidence-the-boys-gif-15552965

[near shore]

in that case,frags

[vernal harbor]

Yeah I do grenades

So ammo crate is my bible

[near shore]

or parry them

[lyric nymph]

whats the best primary to use?

[vernal harbor]

Whatever you like

[near shore]

theres no "best"

[vernal harbor]

Skill covers bad weapons

[lyric nymph]

what is recomended

[vernal harbor]

(Most)

[near shore]

depends what u want to do

[vernal harbor]

For veterans? Autogun is safe

[near shore]

shotgun is fun

revolver feels great

bolter/plasma for heavy stuff

[vernal harbor]

I have a power sword so

I’m bias

ME personally I do not need ammo for scab captain #516282

[wary galleon]

fair since you declare yourself bias, and not just think everyone should follow suit. understandable

playstyle and playstyle all that

[near shore]

also, the "best" wont save you

[wary galleon]

best primary would suck on different class or build

[vernal harbor]

But tbh autogun shreds shield faster than sword so I’m also not always doing it right but if there’s little aids then I let the column ride the lightning

[wary galleon]

make what suits your playstyle or build

[near shore]

well im just talking, skill

[wary galleon]

well.. you mean the hardest?

highest skill ceiling?

idk

[near shore]

no

like, wepons wont save u, but ur own skill

anything works,if u have the skill

[vernal harbor]

Highest skill ceiling is auric maelstrom scab only and I still have nightmares

[muted knot]

That's a secondary tho

[near shore]

revolver krak greandes

[wary galleon]

hmm yea, though some weapons ARE objectively just worse

though it wont stop skill

[vernal harbor]

Oh that’s true

Well for melee then yeah there are bests

[near shore]

revolver w/ surgical and handcannon
survivalist
thrust 4 chain axe
krak grenades

[muted knot]

I just recently realized that it's primary melee secondary ranged

[wary galleon]

this thing blows everything up

[wispy hinge]

its not too bad as long as there isnt also endless bosses

[vernal harbor]

Chain axe mmmm

Airlock

[near shore]

it one shots crushers

[wary galleon]

i would argue the mutant sniper spam maelstrom is worse then scab only

[vernal harbor]

How many crushers we dealing with

[near shore]

yes

[vernal harbor]

Maybe melee only condition sure

[muted knot]

Single crushers yes but aren't you stuck doing the animation

[muted knot]

It is but it's also way less fun

[vernal harbor]

But like crushers more or less kinda are background noise when you get the timing right, telegraph harder than Morse code

[near shore]

yes, but u can dodge out of it. and its normal attack is viable vs armor

[wary galleon]

understandable.

you might say chainaxe. but yall be sleeping on this one. 1 shots everyhing that aint an ogryn and above

[halcyon zephyr]

just enough stamina

[wary galleon]

nice

thrust very good

[sharp ember]

mk4 chaxe with thrust, very classy

[near shore]

reg, no rev hit

[wary galleon]

1 heavy

[near shore]

charged rev hit

[wary galleon]

chainaxe definitly wins on dps on single hits

but the speed however

i would say the shovel wins on that

[near shore]

reg,light, no rev

[lyric nymph]

whats a good autogun?

[vernal harbor]

stuck in rev animation like

[wary galleon]

braced or infantry?

[near shore]

rev heavy

[wary galleon]

did not expect the crusher voice

[vernal harbor]

Colum V if you’re wanting to burst elite to elite, like very fast ‘snap’ shot gun

Column braced for Rambo and anything that thinks it’s hp # is more than your ammo #

[lyric nymph]

thanks

whats a good melee to use?

[balmy flume]

100 Repair missions done.
Now for the last 17 investigate missions…

[near shore]

devil claw is safe

[crude ermine]

One more test with surgi then I'll make my conclusion

[near shore]

thoughts so far?

[vernal harbor]

But ultimately it’s what you think is fun tho but you ain’t asking that

Devil claw is crowd and if you’re good parry strong

Shovel is the safest and power sword is the best

[near shore]

power sword isnt best smh

[balmy flume]

Agripinaa IAG if you like having ADS

[near shore]

its great, dont get me wrong

[near shore]

lmao

[vernal harbor]

Power sword only because it can get you out of everything

[wary galleon]

all the braced are pretty good.

Braced Graia = Max ammo, lowest dmg, highest rpm Best for pox hordes and unarmored enemies
Agripinaa = lowest ammo, highest dmg, lowest rpm
Columnus = medium ammo, medium damage, medium rpm

[trim steppe]

Nice work. I've just stopped quickplay to focus on those two, still at only like 81/73 or something. Rough that there's only 1 mission of each type

[near shore]

thats fair, i like devil claw to bully bosses

[balmy flume]

Agreed. Got tired on waiting for FS to diversify so I am farming the missions on any difficulty levels lol

[vernal harbor]

Medium hit kinda different when you got a good column v tho

[crude ermine]

So far HH is nice for being able to land crits on being buildup, but it feels like sometimes it's there sometimes it's not, it varies but it's nice for the more rifle playstyle (I'll get to that part in a bit)

[trim steppe]

Lol good idea. Though I'm too miserly for that, gotta be damnation for that sweet sweet plasteel if I'm gonna spend my time on it

[wary galleon]

oh yea, i think they are all pretty good. there is not much power difference just different ratios.
it only changes what you focus most on really.

love my 740 ammo graia braced

[lofty nova]

do vets have a burn build ? like other than the laz guns blessing is there other ways a vet can apply burn?

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/jinroh-reloading-gun-machine-gun-gif-17967718

[wary galleon]

i know the las pistol has some burn

[lofty nova]

so just blessings

[trim steppe]

Kanteael shotty is probably the only other thing. But it does a great job of it

[lofty nova]

got it

[vernal harbor]

I’d only take it on heavy las pistol

[wary galleon]

Kantrael shotgun special

too

[vernal harbor]

Infernus can go nutty

[wary galleon]

the shotty has one that burns

[trim steppe]

2 kanteael shotty specials into a bulwark shield will kill it from the burn

[wary galleon]

recon las has some burn blessings too

[vernal harbor]

My thing with the dragon breath, it’s the single most badass thing in the game, but the amount they burn for (even tho there is infinite cleave) doesn’t really solve problems because when the damage actually comes around from someone clearing the horde it’s usually overkill to nullify whatever the burn was doing

[crude ermine]

Oh my god Hitler's back

Nvm he left

[near shore]

That's fair

[vernal harbor]

Now that can be big wrong but I didn’t enjoy my kantrael time

It felt like I was just adding very little when I could just be mowing the whole thing down myself and not waiting for someone else to chip in

[near shore]

It's fun, not useful lol

[wary galleon]

true, but it still burns a lil.. just like that ammo capacity does

[near shore]

Anti boss recon laz

Yooo

Anyone want 4 man all burn recon laz

[trim steppe]

True, tho the big help I found is from mixed hordes cuz the burn deals with the bulwarks and stuff that catch people's weapons while they try to clear. Niche but effective

[near shore]

BAN onslaught XD

[wary galleon]

hmm whats the max amount of burn stacks you can apply

[trim steppe]

12 I think?

[wary galleon]

hmm 10 for this blessing it seems

[trim steppe]

It used to be way higher but people were enjoying the recon lasguns cuz of it so they nerfed it

[wary galleon]

infernus III

[trim steppe]

Cuz we can't ever enjoy the recon for more than 1 week before they kill it

[wary galleon]

why it gotta be like this

[near shore]

12 if it's lvl 4

Need it at 20

[wary galleon]

sounds like alot

but

[near shore]

Yes

[wary galleon]

its not really alot of damage xd

[near shore]

Melt boss

I want this

Recon lazgun
Burn on crits
Bleed on crits

[wary galleon]

the ultimate blender xD

[near shore]

If my dmg is gonna be ass, lemme stack dots

It should stack to 16 or 20

Actually,I'd be cool if
Aggravated wounds: cause bleed of burn dmg up to 16 stacks on crits ( it'll do which dot is most effective vs the opponent)

Ontop of infernus

Laughs in 32 stacks of burn

Yooo NEW DOT

Behold

SOAP

[balmy flume]

You will be well stocked for sure when future weapons are released

[trim steppe]

It used to be around there but it made the recon functional so they nerfed it down to 12. I doubt they'll go back

[near shore]

Dumb, give me bleed and burn perk on laz then

We could also totally have soap as a DOT vs heretics

Chuck a bar of dove soap into a crowd

[trim steppe]

Guys I'm so close! 13 more T4 blessings and I have them all 💪

[near shore]

Also why isn't holy dmg a Dot?

Most effective vs big boys and bosses

Soap: low dmg dot, but it spreads,if melee unit whiffs attack, chance to fall over
Holy dmg: medium dmg dot causes them to take additional dmg

[bitter turtle]

jw
you are using deadshot right

at least for surg

[near shore]

.>

[gusty bison]

Hold up

Did someone say HH on V7?

O.o

[near shore]

Yes

[gusty bison]

Why?

You get more value from 1 crit headshots than 2 regular

[near shore]

Because rapid fire crits make brain happy and bad guys dead

No down time

[gusty bison]

Its not rapid fire crits though

HH gets like

[bitter turtle]

idk

[terse idol]

Gotta get it on a high fr weapooon

[bitter turtle]

HH

literally BY DESIGN

does not rapid crit

like ur supposed to stack it by NOT critting

[gusty bison]

60% crit with everything stacked on it

[bitter turtle]

i really dont understand why you say rapid crits

[terse idol]

Like infantry lasgun 😌

[bitter turtle]

its like

if u really are rapidly critting nonstop

then u arent using HH

you have to not crit to stack it

[gusty bison]

Yep. Headhunter blessing resets on a crit

To 0% boost

[near shore]

I'm aware

[bitter turtle]

the whole point of surg at least imo

deadshot + surg

if you take literally even 1 second to aim

u have like 70% crit rate

[gusty bison]

So u need to hit a non crit to stack 20%

[gusty bison]

70?

Try 100

[bitter turtle]

1 second is 4 stacks

that's 25 + 40 + some other sources so i say 70

[gusty bison]

Deadshot. Reci. Innate critchance

[bitter turtle]

what's the innate

i forget

[gusty bison]

Everyone has 5%

HH iirf is another 3%

[bitter turtle]

right so 70 is accurate

oh

nvm

so above 70

im not counting recip

u arent always dodging with V7

[gusty bison]

And reciprocity is usually 10-15 in a pinch

[bitter turtle]

since its really long range

[gusty bison]

Tbf i play V7 hyper aggressive

So i have reci stackd

[bitter turtle]

like i count recip if ur using a melee or close range weapon but its hard to say "ya recip will always be up"

for v7

for me at least

[gusty bison]

Oh im usually in melee

XD

Cos V7 has decent dodges

[bitter turtle]

ya that's a playstyle thing ig

[vernal harbor]

My crit chance is 10% but my weak spot chance is 100%

[bitter turtle]

but either way

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[bitter turtle]

70% crit rate if u even take 1 second to aim

if its a rager

well

at least I

[gusty bison]

Dink and dead

[bitter turtle]

am not so mlg that i will snipe them all like under 1 second

[near shore]

It's simple,I dislike waiting for surgical stacks,unless it's revolver

[bitter turtle]

and u really want the crit to hit the BP for OS

[gusty bison]

With headhunter ur crit rate is like... 35% in that case

Which is like 3 shots to kill at best

And u aint throwing 3 HH shots pinpoint precise down range on a head in 1.4s

Cos the gun kicks hard

[near shore]

And yet,I do just fine in auric malstrom

[bitter turtle]

i mean im sure you can do fine with it

its not literally useless

[gusty bison]

I mean

[bitter turtle]

u can stack it on other enemies (unreliably, since if u crit by accident its gone)

[gusty bison]

You can run auric with a grey recon

[bitter turtle]

i just dont see why u want it on a oneshot weapon

[gusty bison]

Soooo

[bitter turtle]

it makes more sense for v3

since its 3 round burst

so like

ur laways getting at least 1 crit in the barrage most likely

[gusty bison]

X can do auric maelstrom isnt really a good argument when the worst weapons in the game can clear it

[trim steppe]

You can do auric maelstrom with grey weapons. But people in here like to hyper optimize.

[near shore]

Well luckily someone is testing it rn

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-preoccupied-gif-14303484

[gusty bison]

But yea. I dont see how HH benefits V7 at all

Ngl

[near shore]

That's your choice

[gusty bison]

Like its an average of what

+20% crit chance at best?

If ur firing a V7 every 0.4s

[crude ermine]

I'm not idiot

OFC I am

[bitter turtle]

lul

i mean cotton said he doesnt like deadshot on the gun

er

deadshot*

[gusty bison]

Then surgical is the same crit chance

[bitter turtle]

so idk

[gusty bison]

Wait

He doesnt use deadshot

How the fuck do u even get crits ever then

[near shore]

Not in the vraks

[gusty bison]

Its like

One every 4 shots

Lol

[near shore]

Because unlike everyone here apparently,I can hit heads

[crude ermine]

Welp that's done, and I got some praise for clutching the run, twice

[gusty bison]

Even if u csn hit heads

[bitter turtle]

👏

[gusty bison]

U lose so much damage

[near shore]

How hard is it to rapidly hit heads?

[bitter turtle]

i mean hitting heads is a basic requirement for v7

[bitter turtle]

its not that

its more like

[gusty bison]

U realize 3 noncrit headshots is worse than 1 crit headshot yes?

[bitter turtle]

if u take even 1 second to aim, ever

you get more value from surg

like

just instantly

[gusty bison]

And u realize HH on avg is > 3 shots to crit without crit support from deadshot+reci

[bitter turtle]

HH doesnt synergize well with the gun on the other hand, bc you want to oneshot

[near shore]

I'll likely crit by that point,now stop stroking yourself off as for Luna has those conclusion

[serene sage]

Problem is dude is too good he aims faster than you

[bitter turtle]

so u dont want to "build up" the stacks from not critting

[gusty bison]

Hey wanna know thr math?

[bitter turtle]

if u dont crit then you cant oneshot

[serene sage]

He simply can't wait for Surg

[gusty bison]

Base crit chance of the gun is 8%

[bitter turtle]

😔

[crude ermine]

Alright, so in regards to HH vs surgi

Yeah surgi wins, however I'm not going to undermine HH, as I've stated it's very nice to use and saying its bad is a lie

However surgical is just much more consistent to use especially if you take the revolver approach of the weapon instead of the rifle approach, so in the end it's about your playstyle imo

[bitter turtle]

its usable i just dont think it synergizes very well with the gun

[gusty bison]

On the first shot if u dont crit its 8%

Second shot its 28%

3rd shot its 48%

[bitter turtle]

its better on some targets

ill agree its prob better on bosses

and crushers

but these are two targets the v7 is not very good at killing in the first place

[gusty bison]

Actually its not better on crushers

Its worse

A lot worse

[bitter turtle]

is it? i figured itd be faster to ttk if u just spam shots with HH than wait for surg

[crude ermine]

They're both fun to use for me imo

[bitter turtle]

i could be wrong tho

didnt test

[gusty bison]

All non crit headshots do nothing

Only crit headshots count

[crude ermine]

But you do notice the surgical a lot more over HH

[vernal harbor]

Is this a helbore talk

[crude ermine]

No

[bitter turtle]

no

v7 talk

[crude ermine]

Vraks

[gusty bison]

Honestly

Run one witbout either

A control

No surg or HH

[bitter turtle]

well idk about crusher ttk for either talent just cause i generally avoid shooting crushers with v7 anyway lul

[near shore]

I'm using HH over surgical and they're not happy

[bitter turtle]

ok

let me set the record straight

this disucssion only started

[because you approached me

i was literally answering some other dude from yesterday who @'d me in particular

you can use whatever

i dont mind

[near shore]

So angy,relax

[bitter turtle]

the discussion from yesterday was bc he didnt know v7 could build for dreg gunner OS critless bp

im not angry

just dont want to make it sound like im attacking u for ur choice lol

[vernal harbor]

Vraks and helbore bring out the beasts in vet chat

[crude ermine]

This argument is silly but I won't lie it did make me have fun with the vraks in two seperate ways

[gusty bison]

Nah they are playing the victim after being the attacker lol

[near shore]

No,I'm not

[vernal harbor]

Can’t wait till we get a pvp and we get to scrap to settle arguments

[near shore]

Lmao

I wouldn't waste the time

[gusty bison]

Dude it wasnt even a convo directed at you, you came in, mentioned a dissenting opinion, then get annoyed that the other people started explaining their views?

Like

What did you expect?

[serene sage]

Happened to me too

[near shore]

At no point was I annoyed at a difference

[serene sage]

Dude is like don't ever take gunner res it's bad

Then I disagree and he was like you mad bro

[near shore]

Ya, because I don't see the point

[serene sage]

Paraphrasing of course

[gusty bison]

Its literally just us talking about statistics, math and options, and you are the one that starts playing victim like a soccer player

[near shore]

Go ahead and say as you please

[crude ermine]

I'm way too tired to do that

[trim steppe]

Guys do you think they will ever make the auto pistol ok again?

[gusty bison]

This is fair

Main reason why is cos the base V7 itself is solid

[serene sage]

Give it Headhunter

[tall torrent]

Give it Skullcrusher

[bitter turtle]

to be honest

[trim steppe]

I miss my auto pistol shenanigans

[bitter turtle]

the blessings only really matter for flamer/rager

is the funny thing

[near shore]

I mean,it's still good

[serene sage]

Fuck it, do what yuri wants, slap a bayonet in front

[gusty bison]

Bayo meta

[bitter turtle]

the main target (gunners/snipers) you want to build so you dont rely on ccrit

bayo on everything

do it

cowards

bayo on shredder yes

sounds good

close combat smg

with bayonet

[serene sage]

What if we add a pistol on the tactical axe

So you shoot as your special

Custodes style

[tall torrent]

The only thing I think tac axes really need are better heavy atk dmg tbh

Allow them to heavy 1 tap both bruisers easier

Then they’d be a lot better

[trim steppe]

Put a double shotty hidden in the haft of your axe

Poke BOOM

[vernal harbor]

atp I think y’all just want a spear

Because all the helbore hate disappears when the bayonet talks come out lmao

[bitter turtle]

do you guys like my tech heresy

[vernal harbor]

“Hell yeah”

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/d396496e80cb662d5928c3ee760d928b.png

its to emphasize that stabbing is the main point

[vernal harbor]

Airlock

You and that gun

Both jettison

[tall torrent]

If the spear doesn’t have bayonet dmg then I don’t want it

[serene sage]

It was fun, until that scope

Why the scope though

[vernal harbor]

Now how the hell does that make sense

It’s a spear!

Bayonet is a spear!

[serene sage]

Why do you need 4x zoom to shoot a pistol

[bitter turtle]

idk

its like a snipper pistol

ok

[gusty bison]

So u dont shoot the pistol

And use the bayo more

Duh

[serene sage]

Fair...

[trim steppe]

I wish I liked the helbores. I've tried over and over and just don't like them. I feel like I'm missing out

[umbral scaffold]

Give me the tuskgor

[bitter turtle]

only problem is

https://i.gyazo.com/582417796807c6f58e3e405f4a43ec86.png

[gusty bison]

Eh we all have weapons we dont click with

[bitter turtle]

im literally holding the knife

blade

[vernal harbor]

Final fantasy

Squall build

[trim steppe]

Cuz you're full Chad

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/squall-final-fantasy-leonhart-ff8-gif-24322274

What y’all want

A gun on the side of your big fuck off blade

[bitter turtle]

yes

actually

though I wasnt thinking of squall

lul

[tall torrent]

Hadron finally gave me a decent DC7 after bricking 40 370+ DC swords for me

[vernal harbor]

Gun blade would actually be dope af for the game

[serene sage]

Imagine this

[dusty nacelle]

A gunblade would be awesome

[vernal harbor]

Fuck it add a special that fires a shot on a stab

[gusty bison]

House Cawdor is that you?

[serene sage]

You're a katana in a Japanese monster hunter game

[dusty nacelle]

Grenadier gauntlet for ogryn does this and it's as awesome as u would expect it to be

[dusty nacelle]

TAKE THAT BACK

[gusty bison]

Behold... THE BLUNDERPOLE

[serene sage]

Somehow you get outweeb by a lance that they slap a gun on top

[trim steppe]

Omg I love me some GG. Best weapon in this game

[dusty nacelle]

Falcon PUNCH!! Absolutely my fave wep 💞

extremely old clip tho i think this was from before the elite health changes but it still basically does the same thing

[serene sage]

[umbral scaffold]

I'd appreciate a hybrid weapon that either had firing on the right button and forwent block functions, or had a switch special like RWBY or some Monster Hunter weapons

Or maybe got rid of block and put push on the special

[dusty nacelle]

Give ogryn a hunting horn with different notes corresponding to diff attacks and then special attack being a performance to just buff the rest of his team

it would totallllyy fit with the rest of the game

[umbral scaffold]

I don't recall the last time I blocked using knife's bullshit mobility

[trim steppe]

Ogryn bard lets goooo

YESSS only 12 T4s to go, thank you melk

[crude ermine]

The orgyn's would think it'd be bars but in reality it'd sound like a car dying

[trim steppe]

And its on discount (purple)!

[dire olive]

Damn you know what I love, stealth vets that pop stealth the moment shit gets hairy and run away so everyone else can deal with the aggro

Without actually doing anything to help

[bitter turtle]

btw

[dire olive]

rant over

[serene sage]

[bitter turtle]

can bayonet still OS mutants w/o crit post limbsplitter nerf

https://i.gyazo.com/767564f5333fdae1cf037a092698a30e.jpg

i only get it on a crit

lul

[umbral scaffold]

Me stealthing to let the 12 ragers go to my team

[trim steppe]

CIAG is good for scryer psyker ya? Literally never run a gun psyker yet but looking to

[umbral scaffold]

Me after fully reloading my shotgun and getting within hair-sniffing distance of the last rager

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-mf-bowling-pin-bowling-ball-gif-twitter-gif-25338320

[near shore]

sexy

[near shore]

lmao YES

kantrel or agrippina?

[umbral scaffold]

I love making people panic while I sit stealthed letting a whole crowd pass

Agri shotty is kino

[near shore]

thats fucked, i luv it

love the agri

[gusty bison]

Yep

One of the best guns

Revolver is the other option

Less good on psyker thou

[trim steppe]

Cool ty

[near shore]

i ran one, and my teammates had a fit

so...beware that

[near shore]

cowboy one or anti armor?

[trim steppe]

My teammates can shut the hell up while I carry them to the extract like usual lol

[gusty bison]

Zarona

[near shore]

ya, i feel that

[gusty bison]

Agri is fine but it doesnt get aim assist or cleave

So zarona is the broken OP one atm

[near shore]

ah i think that anti armor, i dont like the agri because i think it needs more shots, from 5 to 8

[gusty bison]

Zarona?

Zarona is a 1-2 shot

On crusher

[near shore]

no

[gusty bison]

Yes

[near shore]

listen

[vernal harbor]

the bloodborne blunderpole

[near shore]

the zarona, is nutty and 1 shots crushers yes

thats all good

[gusty bison]

Well disclaimer: Im assuming meta build

[near shore]

i meant the rapid fire one, needs a bigger cylinder

[gusty bison]

Oh

Ehhh

I think its balanced as is tbh

Just overshadowed

[near shore]

it feels weak incomparsion then

[gusty bison]

Ya so nerf the zarona

[near shore]

no pen, low dmg compared to the other

im fine with that, but gove me 8 rounds

[gusty bison]

Tbh i feel like if we cut the cleave on the zarona and remove the aim assist it would no longer be meta

[trim steppe]

If they tune down the plasma, zarona, and CIAG like 15% and tune up the recons like 40%, then most weapons in the game will be in a decent spot

[gusty bison]

Even though its power is basically untouched

[near shore]

ya, i think it should remain a 1 shot monster, but less pen and reduced aim assit

i use it for the all melee no ammo mode

[gusty bison]

Cos ngl, theres quite a few sleeper precision weapons that are rarely used because they are tricky to use in a pinch

[near shore]

lemme test the agri handcannon RQ

[gusty bison]

All very strong

But not meta cos people gravitate towards whats easy

Rather than whats necessarily strong

[near shore]

thoughts on shotguns? i love the agri

[gusty bison]

Agri bolt action rifle is a bolt action rifle

[near shore]

tho arent shotguns kinda weak?

[gusty bison]

Lawbringer is a weird horde clear gun

[near shore]

like a lever action? that would be cool

[bitter turtle]

agri is revolver with extra steps unfortunately

at least as it is

[gusty bison]

And Kantrael is a elite mass deleter

[near shore]

i use it to be all-rounded

[gusty bison]

Yea thats the problem

Revolver atm just outshines so many precision weapons

[bitter turtle]

and yeah

kant/lawbringer are horde clear guns in a meta that is favoring anti-elite guns

[near shore]

i dislike the kantrel

[gusty bison]

Infinite clip size, aim assist, cleave, good stability

It gas everything

[gusty bison]

Kanny can elite clear

[bitter turtle]

it can

[gusty bison]

U wanr scattershot flechette

[bitter turtle]

but

i dont think its as good at it

[gusty bison]

And lob fire rounds

[bitter turtle]

its good for mixed horde clearing with elites thrown in between trash

imo

[gusty bison]

Its better vs tight clusters

Worse vs spread out

Like u want 8 ragers in a clump deleted? Kantrael shotgun

[near shore]

so zarona handcannon, point blank, chest on mauler did 705

445 on agri

[gusty bison]

Zarona gets 100% adm vs carapace on crit headshots

Which is silly

[near shore]

lmao

[gusty bison]

Thats the other thing

Its easy AF to get 100% crit rate on zarona

So everything is a crit headshot

[near shore]

how would u buff the agri? i think more shots would do well, and lean into the power fantasy

[gusty bison]

No buffs needed

[crude ermine]

I feel like the devs have a favorite in terms of weapons

[gusty bison]

Nerf the zarona

Simple as

[crude ermine]

Another slap on the wrist nerf? Got it

[gusty bison]

When half the roster of guns is just "why use it over the zarona" the problem isnt half the roster.

Its the zarona

[near shore]

ya, could fall under "oh nerf autoguns instead of fixing recon" gotta be carful

[umbral scaffold]

Agri slug would benefit from carapace ADM

[gusty bison]

Nah

I mean CIAG needs a nerf

But the AIAG and GIAG are fine

[near shore]

u have alot of faith in the devs

[gusty bison]

Gun balance atm is actually prettt good

[sterile wadi]

Nuh uh

[gusty bison]

Outside of 4 outliers

[near shore]

ok just tested it, agri,handcannon, vs mauler. got 2 crits and it took all 5 shots to kill

[gusty bison]

• Recon
• Zarona Revolver
• Columnus IAG
• Plasma Gun (frankly this one is less raw power, more than its a skill pancake)

Those 4 guns are rhe ones i think need changes

[near shore]

for the zarona i dont think it needs a dmg nerf, because it feels good, but def needs a nerf

[gusty bison]

Everything else falls in "this is fine"

Id nerf zarona's cleave and aim assist first

[near shore]

maybe make it more sluggish?

[gusty bison]

It doesnt make the gun any less powerful, but it would make it so it requires half a braincell to actually be hyper effective with

Then we see if thats enough to make it "balanced" for most of the community

[near shore]

how about the agri has "can shoot while running, including with its "ads" active"