veteran-class

[gusty bison]

LEG META

[frank ether]

well the silence suggests otherwise to me but who knows

[untold mulch]

True that

[muted knot]

GET ME MY 9MM RIP

[untold mulch]

I am coping we get some fucking info already

[frank ether]

nah I dont want info at this point

[untold mulch]

Wnat update yes

[frank ether]

they been silent for too long

might aswell just silently drop an update

whenever its ready

[untold mulch]

Fatshark still thinks being silent helps them

[pearl granite]

dear fellow vets, please tell me how to fix this

[gusty bison]

They tried not being silent.

It went worse.

[muted knot]

Kinda scuffed tbh

[frank ether]

it doesn't but I can imagine worse alternatives

[muted knot]

I guess slaughterer for rev it up

[wicked zenith]

@pearl granite Heavy attacks only otherwise it grinds. Look for something like this. Generally speaking Maniax and Flak are the best bets, and the blessings Headtaker/Thrust, SLaughterer

[untold mulch]

Honestly I feel like the reason it went wrong is because their management is so incompetent they simply don't know what they working on

[zealous wyvern]

limbsplitter seems useless to me ever since i found out that the cooldown goes back to max every time you hit something

[frank ether]

they don't exactly get very nice feedback

as in, not nice in tone

[terse idol]

They were just on vacation

🥹

[pearl granite]

okay, thanks

[frank ether]

even tho I'd say I've seen a lot worse in other games

[zealous wyvern]

people are animals

[frank ether]

its all a perception thing

[zealous wyvern]

i dont understand why ppl cant be mature about it

[muted knot]

You're on the internet

[gusty bison]

People are animals

[zealous wyvern]

let them know their faults, dont start talking about shit and fuck

[untold mulch]

Because there is a lot of idiots who never grew up

[dusty sluice]

i already have another good shovel so i may aswell do the sillly

[muted knot]

In case you forgot

[zealous wyvern]

i wish ppl still behaved

[gusty bison]

Remember. People review bombed when psword got nerfed

Which is

Lol

Lmao

[zealous wyvern]

wow

[untold mulch]

People have become too comfortable about talking shit on the internet because they won't get punched in the face

[zealous wyvern]

good

they SHOULD

[dusty sluice]

i am the shovel collector

[zealous wyvern]

ppl SHOULD review bomb when they nerf the Emperors tools of war

any nerf is a direct support for the heretics

fatshark is full of traitors?

[elder fiber]

It's not just the internet, look at how shitty people can be irl to service workers

[wicked zenith]

Eh, at least in the states far less people are willing to punch you in the face when you talk shit. Maybe it's just me and Florida.... Stand your ground and all.

[frank ether]

I think everyone has a right to

say their piece and move on

the whole review bomb thing was very silly

but they brought it on themselves in my eyes

[gusty bison]

Everyone has the right to an opinion.

They dont have a right to harassment.

[zealous wyvern]

yes

exactly

[wicked zenith]

Review bombing is harrassment?

[supple hamlet]

what perk should I replace?

[zealous wyvern]

no

review bombing is stupid though

[gusty bison]

I mean it depends on the situation

[zealous wyvern]

true tbh

it can be

[untold mulch]

Ehhh depends

In this case is dumb

[frank ether]

I dont think review bombing is harassment though

[untold mulch]

In others review bombing is deserved

[gusty bison]

It really depends

[zealous wyvern]

i meant this case indeed

[untold mulch]

This game at launch deserved review bombing

[zealous wyvern]

true

[untold mulch]

The psword nerf didnt

[muted knot]

I feel like a punch in the face would be my preferred outcome...

[wicked zenith]

@gusty bison I don't think randos collective review bombing is harassment of an individual, and Companies cannot have feelings, morales, life goals, etc they are not alive.

[zealous wyvern]

companies consist of people

[gusty bison]

You can very much harass a group/organization

[zealous wyvern]

ofc you need a thicker skin for that

but

they are still a group of people

[gusty bison]

And it also depends on why the review bombing is conducted. How it is conducted. And to what extent it is done.

[muted knot]

Theres definitely people you hit with hate towards companies, but mostly not the ones responsible

[devout comet]

It’s when people go for specific developers that it’s harassment in my book

[frank ether]

fatshark hasnt exactly been acting like some innocent small indie company

they can't pull the ''we're tightly nit small community'' card

[gusty bison]

Mhm. I'd agree, but like. Some of the complaints are fucking dumb

And honestly blown way out of proportion

Which takes away from the actual legitimate concerns

[crude fiber]

Wasn't their old community manager or whatever an asshole though?

[wicked zenith]

@gusty bison and Organization again as in Company non-profit etc cannot have feelings, morales etc. Until they start imprisoning Organizations for crimes they imprison individuals for, it's rather just a money tactic to build sympathy. The workers, yes they could be harassed individually, but review bombing is focusing the direction and choices of a company.

[devout comet]

Review bombing can be valid but often focus too much on “devs are bad” and not enough “management isn’t doing anything to make it better”

[untold mulch]

Sadly dumbfucks are everywhere

[gusty bison]

Or sometimes its literally "I dont like X change"

[frank ether]

sure but I'm just desensitized to all the incompetent devs around the globe using ''death threats'' for why they are incompetent or lazy

[untold mulch]

He wasnt great at the job to say the least.

CM is a terrible job, but he made it harder for himself

[gusty bison]

The psword review bomb was so fuckibg dumb.

[untold mulch]

The amount of times I hear that and is always okay where is the proof?

[zealous wyvern]

thats pathetic

[frank ether]

not even talking about fatshark at this point

it has become a common thing

[wicked zenith]

Leave the individuals (personal lives) out of the companies decision. People review bomb cars like the new ones that are making you pay monthly for features in your car like heaters, etc This isn't solely to Game companies either.

[devout comet]

Yea, sometimes valid but sometimes people overreact and can’t live with the fact something could of been validly nerfed (and don’t realise that it could be fixed in future)

[gusty bison]

I mean. People also review bomb for power sword nerf

Sooo

[untold mulch]

Management in Fatshark is so noticiable dogshit

[gusty bison]

The joke is of ALL the fuckups FS did. Its the psword nerf that got the big review bomb

[devout comet]

I mean, they are owned by tencent

[gusty bison]

Like

what

[terse idol]

Honestly that's the funniest part

[frank ether]

remember the fake death treat fiasco after the unity drama

[devout comet]

Psword?

[gusty bison]

Powersword

[devout comet]

Wait wha

[frank ether]

https://www.polygon.com/23873727/unity-credible-death-threat-offices-closed-pricing-change

like

crocodile tears

[gusty bison]

Like an actual legitimate 100% warranted nerf that still left the weapon top of its class

[frank ether]

literally

[devout comet]

What’d they do to it

[gusty bison]

People review bombed on that

[terse idol]

Even with alot of the changes and mistakes FS did... the biggest review bomb was the psword nerf lmao
(And the mixed review Darktide got for a horrible launch)

[wicked zenith]

@gusty bison Honestly, while they won't admit it, it an issue due to way crafting system is done. You spend days trying to find a specific item grinding for it to become trash, with no return. Yeah people are going toi review bomb. It's not so much about the Psword, but about the effort to get it to only get effed and told do it again, and no we aren't fixing the crafting system.

[terse idol]

No you dont

[gusty bison]

No lol

[untold mulch]

I mean

There is the concept of the drop that broke the camel back

It does not need to be the real important thing, but patience breaks

[terse idol]

Psword before

Had infinite cleave

[frank ether]

in case of power sword nerf I would have absolutely defended fatshark except they dug themselves into that hole where no one would defend them

[muted knot]

Back at launch you had 3 swings powered up by default

[gusty bison]

They were unironically complaining that vet is now worthless and the game is ruined

[zealous wyvern]

but the psword is STILL meta

[terse idol]

Its why power cycler 4 is a thing

[zealous wyvern]

its just not as op anymore

[frank ether]

so again, they put themselves into that position where they had no credibility

it just looked like they took the money and ran

[untold mulch]

Yeah, some devs saw that just making shit up coudl get brownie points and were caught

So shitty

[gusty bison]

And after the nerf the psword was still the best melee in the gamr.

[terse idol]

Huh?

How did they dig themselves?

[wicked zenith]

@zealous wyvern I see far more running chain sword than psword cept those returning that don't have a chain sword

[gusty bison]

This was way back

[frank ether]

Make a clown fiasco game launch

[gusty bison]

When chainsword was ASS

[terse idol]

People just couldn't cope that their op weapon wasn't op anymkre

[devout comet]

Wtf did they even do to the powersword, I’m so confused

[untold mulch]

Exactly this

The people that would defend them, is utterly tired of their shit

[gusty bison]

It used to have 7 powered swings with PC4

[zealous wyvern]

they just made it less overpowerdly stupid

[terse idol]

Even then, darktide was highly reviewed by most outlets that's the issue

[zealous wyvern]

thats all

[gusty bison]

And higher damage

[frank ether]

I wasnt even around to test psword changes lmao

[gusty bison]

And inf cleave

[terse idol]

Experienced a better launch than vt2

[frank ether]

most outlets

like uh

game journalists?

lmao

[hearty panther]

Crafting sucks and the original PSword complaints after its first nerf were also stupid as fuck. These aren't contradictory opinions to hold.

[terse idol]

And content crrators like jfj

[frank ether]

so was halo infinite

[terse idol]

Most content creators

Again

[frank ether]

oh yea content creators

[terse idol]

Darktide was

Mixed

[frank ether]

aka leeches

[wicked zenith]

@devout comet They nerfed the hell out of it, and it was needed. This isn't really about the psword but reaction to effort to get a good one, and how much more effort to hunt for a replacement. A few weapons got stuff like this. The Flamer and Fire staff also got hit but not near as hard.

[terse idol]

Not mostly negative

On release

[serene orbit]

darktide was confusing on launch, tbh. it was simultaneously an awesome game and a shit game

[terse idol]

You can say that all you want, it's valid

[untold mulch]

For fucking real

[terse idol]

But it still launched well

[gusty bison]

Tbf even after the nerf, the meta sword was still meta

[terse idol]

Which is crazy

[gusty bison]

It wasnt like they ruined psword

[terse idol]

Because the systems were fucked

[hearty panther]

It was definitely incomplete. Combat was all I cared about though.

[frank ether]

everything else was still rather shite

[terse idol]

It didn't even have crafting

But it had the solid foundation for gameplay

[gusty bison]

There was BM axes

[wicked zenith]

Just be glad this isn't Payday3, if you think darktide is bad go see payday 3 less than 700 users last week peak

[gusty bison]

But like

[terse idol]

Which kept darktide mixed

[untold mulch]

OOF

[muted knot]

Darktide at launch was what it is now aka a great thematic 40k game, problem was that it had very little replayability

[gusty bison]

BM axes required half a braincell

[terse idol]

Yes

That is true

[hearty panther]

They did not.

[muted knot]

I'm still so sad man

[frank ether]

I'm not here to talk whataboutisms

[muted knot]

I thought they'd learn

[frank ether]

I didnt buy payday

[terse idol]

Payday 3 has fundamental issues

[hearty panther]

I mean new BM is also pretty busted but old BM was some serious brain off gameplay

[frank ether]

I bought GTFO instead

[terse idol]

Like just having literally no content

And its been over a year

[frank ether]

And I got what I paid for you know

[untold mulch]

The moment I saw the game it gave a bad vibe

[terse idol]

Over a year for darktide has been great

[devout comet]

W h a t w a s t h e n e r f t h o u g h

[muted knot]

No they released a 18 Euro heist

[earnest lotus]

Wasn't Payday 3 done by a whole different dev team?

[terse idol]

Lul

[wicked zenith]

Darktide did and still does, but it isn't as bad.

[stiff merlin]

Don't think about it. I think I got it on a Damnation run when I wasn't even trying

[muted knot]

Yeah

[earnest lotus]

Like same company just much different people behind it.

[gusty bison]

It reduced the number of charged swings

=.=

Ive said this 3 times now

[stiff merlin]

space bar is your friend

[earnest lotus]

What was the nerf again?

[wicked zenith]

@devout comet Damage nerf, Cleave nerf, PC number of hits nerf

[muted knot]

Yeah I don't think they actually read the messages

[terse idol]

All I can say for payday 3 is that it feels... more modern?
But its just god awful

[gusty bison]

Powersword?

[frank ether]

wasnt payday 2 also a MTX infested shitfest?

[untold mulch]

I sentence you to silent poxburster

[terse idol]

The skill tree

[frank ether]

what did you even expect

[terse idol]

Ass

[gusty bison]

Ah wait ur memeing

[terse idol]

The guns ass

Content barren

[devout comet]

Ok, so this is a non issue if you have the +2 powered hits got it

[muted knot]

The bones are there man but it's not great atm

[earnest lotus]

Oh yeah? Why don't you Pox sum Battle Sisters?

[muted knot]

I fucking wish

[terse idol]

Sell it still is, psword is significantly still weaker even when you've min maxed it now compared to on release

[crude fiber]

Weapons shouldn't have mandatory blessings/perks to be good imo. PS without powercycler is very mid

[frank ether]

the payday devs with any morals left went off to make gtfo

[terse idol]

Disagree, kinda

[gusty bison]

Release psword was busted

Like

busted busted

[terse idol]

Psword can be done without the meta

[muted knot]

It was pretty funny tho

[crude fiber]

Maybe Mk3 with rampage and slaughter would decent for hoards but that'd be it

[terse idol]

But it is an end gameesque weapon

[primal forge]

well yeah, but I am really trying to get it, ya know? but at the same time, how?

[wicked zenith]

@devout comet It use to be way more than 2, I don't recall how many. It was also basically infinite cleave or close as one can get to it, and the damage was much higher even on the cleaves with the PC strikes.

[terse idol]

Its like us sitting down to build a rashad

[muted knot]

Which one is that ?

[terse idol]

Which without blessings or the right perks is c tier

[primal forge]

On Overwatch

malice, no health damage on the whole mission

[muted knot]

Yeah what do you need to do ?

Ah

[primal forge]

as veteran

yeah

[gusty bison]

Work on ur melee fundamentals

[terse idol]

Uh get a friend

Imo

[muted knot]

Yeah no thats just being aware of your surroundings

[gusty bison]

And for the love of god dont hide in the back

[frank ether]

I still think it would go fine if they made a game that made people care about other weapons / less ass crafting system

[primal forge]

ok

[frank ether]

which at the time wasnt the case

[earnest lotus]

We just had a whole conversation last night about On Overwatch

[terse idol]

I mean

A grey psword

Infinite cleave

[gusty bison]

Remember. We also had Darcy back then throwing gasoline on the fire

[earnest lotus]

The agreement was whatever dev came up with it is a doodoo head and the best bet for Overwatch is to practice higher difficulties first.

[frank ether]

with 1 energized post-nerf?

[terse idol]

On release psword was mega broke

[devout comet]

This changes sound reasonable tbh, only buff it needs is more dodge reach tbh

[terse idol]

I used it 🥹

[crude fiber]

Get high toughness for ranged attacks and run voice of command for panic toughness refill. Also maybe get Stam and block efficiency

[terse idol]

You could literally animation cancel your charge before a swing

[earnest lotus]

Psword is making me giggle like a 5 year old.

[frank ether]

you can still block cancel it

[terse idol]

Uh

[wicked zenith]

For no health damge, run yourself the toughness buffs, all toughness trinkets and a Zealot with toughness prayer, 2 of each even on Auric you can keep perma TOughness overcharge and shouldn't take health damage if you don't be stupid. You can facetank 1 pox burster with overcharge and toughness damage red.

[terse idol]

Not really...

Just get a friend

I literally helped my friend get it back when pox walkers hit you through toughnss

[earnest lotus]

The fuck is a friend?

[terse idol]

Its extra possible to do it without a friend now

[crude fiber]

Solo auric maelstrom que only bby

[terse idol]

Say, you probably need to just stack ad much toughness as you can

And grab voc

Its so easy now

[wicked zenith]

the 100% accuracy was more of arse time without doing the disconnect glitch. I have to use a lawbringer to get it myself.

[terse idol]

That's easy enough too

[white minnow]

another humorous thing was that the illisi also had this

[terse idol]

I did it with a revolver

[terse idol]

That isss a little more tech than charging it directly after a swing into another swing to be faiir

And when psword gave you automatically 3 swings

[muted knot]

Must be some kind of new curio

[wicked zenith]

I think the hardest one however is to make it through Maelstrom Auric mission with everyone using the starting weapons with 0 people going down. (The 2 greys each class starts with).

[gusty bison]

Fun fact: even with old busted psword. Somehow we still had vets that said vet melee was weak

[muted knot]

The what

[terse idol]

Starting greys

Uh

[serene orbit]

because those vets wanted to be zealots at the same time, lol

[terse idol]

Nobody's doing that unless they're making content

[gusty bison]

No actually.

U could be a zealot as vet back then

[muted knot]

That's not a penance is it ?

[gusty bison]

They just didnt know how to survive in melee

[serene orbit]

ah, okay

[terse idol]

No it's not

[gusty bison]

Like they spammed powered lights on thr Mk 3

[muted knot]

It definitely was a skissue

[gusty bison]

Never pushed

Never dodged

[muted knot]

I figured

[crude ermine]

It's like standing in the middle of the street

Of new Mexico

[gusty bison]

Would run away from hordes until they backed themselves into a corner

[strange grove]

anyone like sliding with a folded shovel to 1shot trappers? just hope you get them first lol

[muted knot]

Classic

[gusty bison]

And then died

[crude ermine]

The corner is a powersword vet's worst friend

[wicked zenith]

Hiddeen Pennace: Called Rager gone Streaming. (instead of screaming)

[crude fiber]

Anyone complete the 100 missions with no one going down? Been stuck at 92 for awhile

[muted knot]

"I can do it!"
Sits in net
"Fuck"

[earnest lotus]

I heard someone mention S h o v e l

[muted knot]

Not yet

But not far off

[gusty bison]

Yep.

Yet they used to gravitate to them like crazy

"Oh a horde! Lemme run into a corner"

[strange grove]

what does more boss damage? folded shovels or power swords?

[muted knot]

Hard to say

[crude ermine]

It's not like cod zombies

[wicked zenith]

@crude fiber I would have to check probably I have over 1k hours

[muted knot]

Mk6 could be better ?

[earnest lotus]

Either way, Shovel is better.

[crude fiber]

Too stubborn to play on lower difficult for it tbh. I'll get it when i get it lol

[crude ermine]

Your mom's better

[muted knot]

You stop talking about my wife like that

[drifting oak]

a casual 73 melee elites

[crude ermine]

Wait what

[earnest lotus]

The fuck is a mom

[drifting oak]

fucking rager spam was out of control on this run

director please

[crude ermine]

The female version of a dar

[wicked zenith]

Yeah I completed it some time ago.

[crude ermine]

Mann

[primal forge]

bro, I am trying. this is bs

[earnest lotus]

dar

[drifting oak]

definitely power sword, shovel animation takes a long time compared to what you get out of power sword

however shovel is more in-and-out which works well with many bosses

[strange grove]

thats true, i still like shovels for the crowd control

[crude ermine]

Kid made fun of dar man soon regrets his decision

(He got ran over by a fucking ford)

[drifting oak]

like plogyrn where you constantly have to dodge, or BON where you won't get many opportuniites to strike it in melee safely

so it's a tossup honestly

[earnest lotus]

Darman's worst enemy in those skits would be an actual racist.

[crude ermine]

True

[drifting oak]

like the optimal situation is a plogyrn that isn't using stomp, and is aggroed onto a teammate who knows how to keep it in place

there power sword will definitely do way more damage

but if you're taking plogyrn aggro you constantly have to dodge out

[earnest lotus]

Darman never handled a Southern racist before, they just don't care who you are.

[drifting oak]

and during those dodges you can do the shovel animations with no loss

relative to other weapons

[gusty bison]

The optimal situation is a daemonhost slurping an ally

[drifting oak]

kek

very true

[earnest lotus]

Plague Ogryn is ez, just hit it with a shovel.

And get your battle buddies with shovels to beat him too

Actually a lot of the mini bosses melt under just getting melee jumped.

[terse idol]

Darman when he actually encounters a Sundown town

[crude ermine]

Basically I use the rhythm of swap to pickaxe, wait till it attacks, hit, dodge n block repeat

Taking turns

[terse idol]

(I have never encountered a sundown town but I did learn of the term)

😌

[crude ermine]

But tell that to the fucking ogryn whom instead of helping the zel who was about to lose their grip come and mindlessly swing the plogryn so I had to go and then I pan back to him just crouch shooting the ogryn while it's charging and he just falls off to his death

Yes I am still bitter about that ogryn how can you suck so much ass on ogryn to the point where trash mobs are knocking you down and draining all your 3 wounds to where you fucking DIE

I think I'm becoming semi prejudiced to abhumans again

[earnest lotus]

Ogryn being unable to solo a Plague Ogryn is... A new level of brain dead.

Just charge the Pogryn anytime it tries to move and beat it to death.

[crude ermine]

He just wandered around on the final part of foundrie and just didn't even come to where we were and almost died again

I would've put in chat "just leave him atp" if he died

Hell he had a latrine shovel and I had to kill more crushers with my tiny mk 3

It's like he didn't know the concept of heavies and balancing melee and ranged

[earnest lotus]

I demand this Ogryn be excommunicato from all Shovel activities.

He shames all of our spades

[spice wadi]

u did not stop

[north coyote]

Just tried it on auric, bruh, i didn't know it made THAT much difference, never taking it off again

[earnest lotus]

The irony of the general hate for abhumans for me is how for me it's head cannon that 99% of the Imperium of mankind is severely autistic

[sonic marlin]

this turned out quite bad, what do i do

[earnest lotus]

Assume the position of agony of course

[wicked zenith]

Depends on build 17% are far more rare now than they use to be.

[fresh grail]

i mean, 17% toughness with a 4% toughness perk comes down to the same as a 16% toughness with 5% perk. Its fine

rare to get 17% ones at all

[nimble sentinel]

I am so excited to see how Hadron fucks this harder than Leman Russ in my dreams

[sonic marlin]

this is the other one i got

[agile yew]

I dont even often recognise or remember which is which (Ogryn or Chaos thing)

[terse idol]

well, ah my god this is the whole

[agile yew]

Not everyone has watched some vids or guides how to deal with monstrosities or went 1on1 em as usually team is around

[terse idol]

The imperium makes exceptions™️

Every Guardsmen love Ogryns

'Ate Psykers

Both still abhooman

[nimble sentinel]

aww yeh only the one good blessing

[earnest lotus]

I've never watched a vid in my life.

[agile yew]

The penance about rushing Plague Ogryn taught me though its effective strategy, and ive used it since

[sonic marlin]

damn that looks nice

[crude ermine]

SHHHHHH

SHHHHHH

[earnest lotus]

I just bum rushed it mindlessly and saw it was a penace. I just figured "Hey I'm big why wouldn't I be able to bully this ugly mf" and I was correct.

[agile yew]

My Ogryn still in his early 20s so i guess im allowed to not know yet anything about it

[spice wadi]

i am being suppressed

by big french

[nimble sentinel]

what are we thinkin fellas, swap out 10% elites or 25% infested?

[spice wadi]

infested

[earnest lotus]

Shameful, really.

[spice wadi]

elites covers many things that are dangerous

infested covers skinny green men

[agile yew]

I like those random penances the best, just do your thing and suddenly you get rewarded clothes

[nimble sentinel]

to be fair there are a lot of skinny green men

[spice wadi]

u can check the breakpoint if you like

[nimble sentinel]

I can also throw screenshots in here hoping someone else internalized them

[spice wadi]

but the only real consideration is 'does this 1 shot a poxwalker right now'

u can just go in meatgrinder and whack 1

[crude ermine]

Keep the toughness, swap the pitié res for gunner and you can keep revive speed if you want

[sonic marlin]

is 3% toughness alot?

[slate sleet]

what are you trying to do

[sonic marlin]

[sonic marlin]

max my toughness

[crude ermine]

It's fine

[sonic marlin]

i like maxed items

[slate sleet]

1% does not really matter

[sonic marlin]

its 2% since the other one is also 16% + 5%

[slate sleet]

it does nothing

[sonic marlin]

and idk if i should go health or also tougness on 3rd curio

[frank ether]

if you're gonna get sad over %1 toughness this game will give you depression

[slate sleet]

what build are you using

what guns are you using

its not that simple of a answer

[sonic marlin]

columnus mk5 and now im building power sword since i got power cycler 4

[crude ermine]

Is that Deadshot?

[slate sleet]

dump duck and dive dump demo team

get redirect fire and focused fire

if you are doing a toughness build nothing will touch you anyway

[fresh grail]

demo team my beloved
Though without grenade tinkerer don't think grenade stacking is worth it anyway so ye

[slate sleet]

demo team is fun but focus fire keystones are too insane to pass up

[fresh grail]

redirect fire

[slate sleet]

12% perma dmg for you and everyone on your team + whatever stacks you put on stuff you mark is insane

[vernal harbor]

my first auric maelstrom scab only win and it was tooth and nail every second

[crude ermine]

The hell was the 3rd guy doing

Or did he just join

[gusty bison]

Its a deadshot columnus

[fresh grail]

smite by the looks of it, looks fine

[gusty bison]

Target down wont be enough stam

[vernal harbor]

ive no idea i was way too focused lmao

[sonic marlin]

that will cause me to get rid of onslaught

[crude ermine]

I'll go inside your mind to find out myself

[gusty bison]

Btw u dont need +25% ammo or + elite dmg on columnus IAG

[fresh grail]

I find onslaught is too many points invested in my support builds, but its up to you

[gusty bison]

Also if ur trying to max ur toughness take out fot blood

[slate sleet]

duck and dive is a meme on shout builds you facetank the whole wave

[gusty bison]

Its for stam regen

[slate sleet]

target down prints so much stam for you

[gusty bison]

Its a columnus

Target down is nowhere near enough

[slate sleet]

whats duck and dive going to do?

[crude ermine]

Spawn ducks

[gusty bison]

30% regen every second is a lot

[slate sleet]

without supression immunity are you really going to be fighting ranged dudes

[gusty bison]

Yes

Its an IAG

Not a iLas

[fresh grail]

with any autogun are those ranged dudes really gonna be fighting me? 💪

[slate sleet]

this is what i use but im also a agri1 user

[gusty bison]

IAGs can put out damage through moderate suppression

[foggy rivet]

any know what perks/bless should have on this gun

[gusty bison]

Swap groaner for maniac

Bam done

Blessings do NOT matter on plasma

At all

[ocean plover]

Can you explain why?

[gusty bison]

They all suck and dont really help with getting breakpoints

[elder fiber]

really wish I couldn't see other people's equipment sometimes

[slate sleet]

i run 9 stam 3xstam regen 3xsprint eff so its why i feel target down is enough regen

[fresh grail]

its Hereticus Deletus out of the box

[gusty bison]

The only one i personally find remotely useful is gloryhunter

[gusty bison]

Ur also using an agri

Not a columnus

So like

I run a 16 stam columnus and I can tell u, even with good burst control, target down isnt enough

[slate sleet]

i think you will struggle to keep stam up with columnus with any build

[gusty bison]

Nah

DnD can

If u have good burst control

Because DnD gives u back so much stamina

[slate sleet]

yea but if you are going to be farming stam from ranged enemies why not take determined

[frank ether]

oh yea another reason for focus mark superiority

[slate sleet]

suppression is the most aids mechanic in the game to deal with

[frank ether]

it gives stamina and toughness back

[gusty bison]

Because i can hit shots without determined?

IAGs barely get suppressed

Its the aim punch thats the issue

[sonic marlin]

'you don't need dmg' kek

[gusty bison]

And if u dont get hit u dont get aim punched

[gusty bison]

Columnus is already 4k dps

[slate sleet]

i feel like my shots go everywhere

[gusty bison]

U dont need more

[gusty bison]

Thats not suppression

[slate sleet]

when a reaper is magdumping me from across the hivecity

[strange grove]

i tried to like columnus, but too hard to snipe with it when needed

[gusty bison]

Thats aim punch

[frank ether]

suppression is a directional thing

[slate sleet]

no hes not shooting me

i dont get shot

[gusty bison]

Reaper shots have high stagger

[slate sleet]

someone else is next to me and its supressing

[frank ether]

usually all I have to do is slide to the next piece of cover and suppression is gone

[hearty panther]

i wanna jump down into a firing reaper one day and have him blast me back straight upwards

[frank ether]

weapon swap is a persistent thing you gotta deal with though

[gusty bison]

Also IAGs are on the low side of suppression pains tbh

[frank ether]

and deadshot is very good for weapon sway

try it on bolter

[strange grove]

but honestly if columnus had better stability/distance it would be broken OP

[frank ether]

its amazing

[gusty bison]

Col has good distance with burst control

U can reliably bean flamers at 40m

[slate sleet]

im just really mad voice of cringe is in the middle of the tree and infiltrate is on the right side

[strange grove]

i still prefer agri iag

[slate sleet]

they should swap sides

[strange grove]

mostly cuz I have this lol

[gusty bison]

Agri deffo can reach 60m no issue

But i dont think anything past 40 is that common

Other than snipers

[hearty panther]

imagine not having throwing knives for targets over 40m away

[gusty bison]

Deadshot also helps col with long range so much

[crude fiber]

The recoil is also easier to control after shooting for a bit so you can long range with it if you don't mind dumping some ammo

[gusty bison]

It also has very little recoil on thr first 5 shots

Which is lethal vs most specials

If u hit said first 5 shots

[slate sleet]

i wonder how they will nerf it

[gusty bison]

Its shots 6 to 15 that are pain to control

[gusty bison]

Well they need to give half the vets in the game a brain atm

[crude fiber]

What do you mean I dont need dumdum + elite and boss damage nodes + 25% unyielding and exec stance?

[gusty bison]

Cos i feel like columnus is too hard for half the vets atm

XD

Which is a hilarious jokr

[slate sleet]

are we counting console "people" in this or what

[gusty bison]

Not even

[slate sleet]

i do know most vets are plasma wheelchairs with poopysword but

[frank ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/905195149590667285/1198654516455805038/8vxqgki0yjdc1.png?ex=65bfb102&is=65ad3c02&hm=f467681b600065d24b9a23551ad934d91383883cd88315f3148c6d8db90eda59&

[gusty bison]

We are counting people that rely on KB+M aim assist

[slate sleet]

columnus is really straight forward

[gusty bison]

To do things

[frank ether]

I wonder if they are delaying this and hellgun cos of belt ammo physics

[fresh grail]

i need it

[gusty bison]

Cos columnus doesnt have aim assist

[slate sleet]

what gun does?

[gusty bison]

Plasma

revolver

[crude fiber]

I'm sure that's total why lol, definitely just not gonna add them in

[slate sleet]

aim assist is only for console isnt it

[gusty bison]

Nope

[slate sleet]

i wouldnt know i dont use plasma or revolver

[gusty bison]

Revolver and Plasma both assist ur aim by shooting fucking logs

U can miss by half a head on volver and its still a headshot

[crude fiber]

I've noticed some generous hits with the revolver I suppose lol

[fresh grail]

God-Emperor guides my bullets

[gusty bison]

Guess what weapons are the S tier meta atm

[crude fiber]

Good old hanzo arrowa

[gusty bison]

Columnus is S tier, but it aint meta for a reason

[crude fiber]

Heretic seeking rounds

[flint onyx]

I rolled fire frenzy and deathspitter on my columnus, which is better to keep? I will replace one of them with Dumdum

[frank ether]

some guns get it even on pc

[earnest lotus]

Man..

[slate sleet]

thats crazy

[earnest lotus]

I just want a normal beard

[gusty bison]

Said guns are also the meta atm

[earnest lotus]

But instead it's either big ass kratos beard or barely stubble.

[gusty bison]

Coincidence? I think not :P

[crude fiber]

I'd say keep fire frenzy, damage is better then power for IAG imo so you stagger less and get more headshots

Unless it let's you cleave at full stacks of deathspitter but I doubt it

[gusty bison]

🤔

Never tested

[crude fiber]

It'd maybe cleave a groaner if anything

[flint onyx]

What does power even do?

[crude fiber]

Gives damage, cleave and stagger I believe

[strange grove]

Is there a reason no one uses the Gaia guns?

[terse idol]

Death Spitter also stacks

Which..

It doesn't say so but

IN THEORY DS is better

[dreamy lantern]

which graia theres 2? and both are pgud

[terse idol]

Because you could argue power is better

[fresh grail]

i run graia braced sometimes if i want to go brrrrrt

[strange grove]

Either. I never see them in game or on builds here

[dreamy lantern]

braced got its damage buffed so its only slightly less than the columnus, but when you brace it it gets much higher fire rate

[strange grove]

I have a god roll agri iag, maybe I’ll go for braced

[crude ermine]

6 months

[strange grove]

Graia braced *

[dreamy lantern]

the IAG is a nice middleground rifle, not as much DPS as the columnus and not as much single bullet damage as the argi, but it is a lot more flexible

[hollow ibex]

Braced version is amazing

I never use the iag version anymore

[fresh grail]

yeah for sure give graia braced a go, its super fun now

got almost 1000 bullets with the +25% ammo talent

[strange grove]

What’s best blessings for one? IIRC braced blessings are meh

[fresh grail]

you don't need any blessings for it, so its up to you really. Speedloader is quite nice with graia imo, and deathspitter/fire frenzy is just extra damage

[flint onyx]

So fire frenzy is more close damage, while deathspitter is less damage, but it's not just for close and also gives cleave and stagger

[sonic marlin]

this only applies to elite gunners right

[fresh grail]

and the ogryn reapers ye

[flint onyx]

Yes, not shooters

[crude ermine]

Oh wait this is vet chat

[sonic marlin]

do i really need 2 of those on my curios

[terse idol]

it helps

I mean

Running even 1

[fresh grail]

depends if you get shot up a lot

[terse idol]

Reduces damage from gunners by 20%

[sonic marlin]

shit ton of other stuff can help, its just 2 enemy types

[terse idol]

You'll get shot alot

Always

[flint onyx]

It's up to you, if you can dodge them then I guess you don't need them

[crude ermine]

And those enemy types you'll see the most

[fresh grail]

gunners are one of the more damaging enemies at higher levels for sure

[crude ermine]

More than some specials

[terse idol]

Yeah

[terse idol]

I mean you can say the same for other damage res

Sniper res only helps you against 1 enemy type

All these damage res are only for 1 or 2 enemy types

[crude ermine]

Like flamer and Rox flamer

Wait WHY ARE those two seperate

Minus the Shrek piss stream the trix flamer spews

[terse idol]

Uh

Tox flamer gives corruption

Which is weird

That damage res should be both but

more rng I guess

[sonic marlin]

if i unlock the slot for perk changes does it cost stuff each time iwanna change

[sharp moon]

nonstatwise XII is probably better, right? bcs light for horde and special+heavy for single targets

[terse idol]

yeah

[sonic marlin]

smh

im broke

and trying to farm money for mk6 power sword

kek

[terse idol]

Uh, I mean it looks like you're not even max level so I'd take everything that just gives you any more stats and junk

XII is just bettah in thiiis case

[sharp moon]

i am, fresh .)

didnt had time to roll smthing bcs i am not sure which gun still to use .) doing marksman highlight penances

[jolly hemlock]

play the highest difficulty you can handle without beeing detrimental to the team and farm

[sonic marlin]

kek

ill probably put stam regen over it later

thief build

[terse idol]

You prooobably don't wanna roll until you're max level fr

[sonic marlin]

quickplay will always give most rewards right

[crude ermine]

Yes

[terse idol]

Because your weapons aren't gonna be their max potential and you're just using mats that you'll be upgrading anyways

[jolly hemlock]

yesnt theoretocally math wise yes

but i usually pick maps which i know every little spot of to pick the map clean

also maps i know where the team has less chances to fuck up

[keen wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887131268800725082/1198681798805295144/image.png?ex=65bfca6b&is=65ad556b&hm=a685f518615e372353386cbb2ac537f26426d11eb8a6f85d8b014aca10711ce5&
Can anyone advise me what to do with this? I'm not too savvy on laspistols

I think maybe replace RA and unarmoured (?)

[muted knot]

Dum dum for RA and you'll need to check how your breakpoints work out

Flak is a good guess as always

[keen wolf]

Thanks boss

[frank ether]

its difficult to get the optimal dps out of braced on veteran though

compared to iag

tho

I guess it depends

some people cant seem to handle recoil/aiming

[dreamy lantern]

who cares about optimal

its not even needed, just play the funny

[terse idol]

I mean braced iags are fine

[frank ether]

just saying dps math doesnt really work in practice

I use braced guns for the funy

[terse idol]

I mean they're good

[dusty sluice]

is the mkix headhunter just not good rn?

[terse idol]

This isn't like a uh, IAG over biag situation I'd say as much

Kinda... kinda

[terse idol]

Which one is that

The burst one?

[dusty sluice]

green one

[terse idol]

Hh

[dusty sluice]

this

[frank ether]

like how iags were ''good'' before their buffs

but I like agri braced

graia isnt a good gun but it gets 1000 rounds on veteran which is just silly

[dusty sluice]

its okish currently

[frank ether]

It synergizes good with exec

but exec kinda doodoo

[dusty sluice]

it does?

[frank ether]

exec minimizes recoil/spread

so yes

[dusty sluice]

i just run it in a meme build

[terse idol]

Doo doo? It's okay

Could be bettah

[frank ether]

Its doodoo

[terse idol]

Could give us toughness but it's okie

[dreamy lantern]

oh u thought i meant columnus IAG, i meant columnus braced

[frank ether]

oh yea, gets a bit confusing

ciag is a silly good gun rn wouldn't be suprised if they reeled it back a bit

[dusty sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b170ea7-2088-4e0b-8c24-5f2324cd679d/britishtide this is it lol

[serene bough]

Exe is bad

[terse idol]

Its fine

[serene bough]

No

[terse idol]

Or well

Could be better

[frank ether]

Exe is just bad

but you can gaslight yourself about it ,thats fine

[serene bough]

The buff it gives is not enough in comparison to the power/utility of VoC or Infiltrate

[terse idol]

Okay let's see

Damn

[frank ether]

no its not a ''VoC is too good'' problem

[terse idol]

This tough

I mean both are good

[sonic marlin]

first ever damnation run

[terse idol]

VOC and infil

[dusty sluice]

i don't even know if this makes me play worse or not

[frank ether]

its worse than scriers gaze, its modifiers are either silly tax nodes or counteractive

[terse idol]

VoC is too strong, infil in many ways is better for personal use

[terse idol]

Okay now that's crazy

You only take 2

For exe

Which yeag is expensive

[frank ether]

and only one for VoC

[terse idol]

For no toughness regen

[frank ether]

I take no nodes for infil

[terse idol]

Yeah and that's wildly regarded as

[sonic marlin]

oh cool

[terse idol]

Why VOC is op

[terse idol]

I take 2

[frank ether]

what is your point?

do you think I'm gonna play exec when you nerf VoC

[dusty sluice]

grab bm from it

[frank ether]

that is absolutely stupid

[sonic marlin]

yes thats what i meant

[terse idol]

No? But it's not the worst possible thing is what I'm saying it compliments MF

[frank ether]

you can nerf the shit out of VoC

do you know what I'll do

I'll play relic zealot

[terse idol]

Voc and Infil is just good alone

[terse idol]

I mean

That's another issue in itself of VOC

[sonic marlin]

another

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

the mental gymnastic this chat goes over to not admit exec is garbo tier

and it has nothing to do with how good other abilities are

[terse idol]

I mean, it's not worse than scriers gaze

But you are comparing it to

Voc

[dusty sluice]

lmao

[terse idol]

Which isnop

And infil

Which in many ways as good or not better than voc

Which is fair

[dusty sluice]

iv'e only ever found it good with 1a

[terse idol]

We have no other comparison

[frank ether]

and the best part is when a team has multiple exec users so they grief each other

or someone takes the teammate highlight node so I can grief them out of kills

[serene bough]

Problem is a lot of general talents throughout the tree can give you a similar benefit to exe stance

[dusty sluice]

lmaooo

[frank ether]

and mfs here be like

[terse idol]

Luckily voc is so OP that nobody runs anything else

Lmao

[frank ether]

''guys its actually VoC thats op''

yea

[terse idol]

Yeah it is

[frank ether]

brain cells

I have two

and I can add it up

[dusty sluice]

sell onme

free plasteellr

[terse idol]

Urgh maybe I am coping abit

[frank ether]

I wish

[terse idol]

Exe could be arsed to refill toughness

[serene bough]

Its damage isn't even worth it

Voc and infil give so much more utility and you can easily make up for damage by many talents including keystone buffs

[cedar pecan]

I can't play without exe stance because I can't see shit

[terse idol]

I mean infil itself just gives damages

Or well

In plush's case just give you

Invis

Exe has the issue that uh, it's only range with no defensive element

Maybe if it gave you a stagger too it might be hotter

[serene bough]

Low threat, easy revives, objective completion, damage buff, toughness reset

[terse idol]

But sure as it stands because it's strictly range with no defensive utility it is weeakerrr

[terse idol]

Plush said took 0 extra nodes

So only toughness refill and invis

Which frankly

could use a taxin

[frank ether]

it makes you invisible so guaranteed revives/objectives, baseline still refills your toughness fully

[serene bough]

Not to mention weapons have been buffed a lot so they all preform well without exe

[frank ether]

it still also gives you movement speed aswell

[serene bough]

Whereas before you needed exe to push certain weapons to being useful

[frank ether]

none of its baseline functions tied to a node

[terse idol]

Yes I know I play it

[frank ether]

base infiltrate is a complete ability

you can take it as is

[serene bough]

The point is invis is excellent utility that can be used for multiple functions, whereas the extra damage from exe is somewhat meaningless since it can easily be made up for in other talents

[terse idol]

Yes

I didn't say that it was bad

😌

Exe could stand to use like

A defensive portion

[serene bough]

I'd honestly rather they overhaul exe stance entirely

[frank ether]

but why would I want defensive utility to my offensive ranged ability

you took all the identity out of it, at this point just rework it completely

[terse idol]

I mean

[serene bough]

I never liked the constant need to require my ult in order for the gun to be useful

[terse idol]

I'd still rather they kept a range option

I don't want

3 fucking ults that just let you play

Whatever

Which infil and VOC honestly let you do

[frank ether]

how about giving me an ult that feels good to use lmao

[terse idol]

Then keep it ranged

lmao

[serene bough]

There's many ways to imagine a similar ranged focused ult

[terse idol]

Give it some defensive utility on par with the other

[frank ether]

you're the one suggesting giving it a defensive portion

make up your mind

if you give it defensive portion you're making it the same as the other two

[terse idol]

??

So I'm saying

Keep it a ranged ult

And also give it some utility

because it literally does nothing when you're in melee, or if you have your gun out and enemies come into melee

It doesn't even refill your toughness

Like all the other ults

You gotta build toughness back

With MF

Or other talents

While using MF

[serene bough]

Personally, I'd like if they make exe stance a huge single shot damage buff

Exe shot, or something

[strange grove]

I can tell we talking about exec stance, I can't stand that ability tbh

[lilac eagle]

I like clicking on the yellow enemies

Thats about it

[frank ether]

scrier gaze doesnt give toughness either, you're not supposed to be as durable as a melee playstyle

It doesnt even make sense given its not a spam ability its something you're supposed to keep up

[lilac eagle]

Like the rush I get from pressing my ability button and seeing about 30 targets pop up, then making them all disappear within 1 kantrael clip is what keeps me playing this game lmao

[frank ether]

thats where the problem comes from though

scrier doesnt care if you weapon swap or if someone yoinked your kill

[serene bough]

I dont see an issue baking in defensive utilities, the bigger issue is the offensive utility isn't potent enough to invest points

You can get similar toughness regen + DR from other talents

[frank ether]

there is no ''issue'' rather it just doesn't fix the problem

[serene bough]

Yes I agree to this

[frank ether]

you could slap like %100 toughness replenish on it and like

yea thats nice

but its not gonna make me like the ability

[lilac eagle]

Scrier doesn't only apply to melee damage right?

[frank ether]

it dooooes

[lilac eagle]

Oh fr?

I was using it with my staff lmao

[frank ether]

its just damage afaik

damage and crit chance

there is like very little reason not to spam scrier gaze

I guess if you use staffs you might want to be careful not to blow yourself up

but with guns or melee its easy free stats

[light ore]

man, both revolvers make me sad. one because i keep hitting heads i shouldn't, and one because i can shoot a sniper 5 times and literally not hit once

[frank ether]

well it shoots projectiles the size of ogryns

[lilac eagle]

Snap shooting Vs precision right there

[light ore]

yeah, i want smaller bullet

so i don't feel like i'm cheating

[frank ether]

thats also what stops me from using those guns

revolvers and plasma

I don't feel satisfied with a gun that aims for itself

[light ore]

but then the other one is literally "we made a revolver, but decided to make it innacurate and no penetration"

ye

[frank ether]

braced one?

I played it for like 2 games

[light ore]

the quick draw mgraw, aggripinna i think?

[frank ether]

yeah thats the braced one

[light ore]

maybe there's a secret, but not exagerating, against mid to long raged stuff

i put my crosshair on a sniper head standing still, clicked 5 times, and every shot missed

[frank ether]

thats just how it is with braced weapons on veteran

[light ore]

also no penetration, so can't snipe specials through hoards

just incredibly underwhelming

[frank ether]

It has speedloader and double the ammo

so somethings gotta give

would probably feel a lot better if it was like a 6 or 8 shot revolver

[light ore]

i think if they just made it pinpoint accurate and gave it teammate penetration, that would be enough

or that yeah, a bullet or two extra maybe

[frank ether]

teammate pen is like

I'm 50/50 on that

god forbid if I'm playing exec stance

I cant stand guns without pen

on VoC or infil I dont care

which is %99 of my playtime

[light ore]

it's a shame, because i really like the "quickdraw precision weapon" style of gameplay, but both revolvers make me feel gross for different reasons

3 ogryn game as vetran, just shooting backs all day

[frank ether]

I think its cool but I admit I have barely touched it

mostly cos I got frustrated with hadron bricking my revolvers

[tall torrent]

Hadron has sent 40 of my 370+ DC swords to the scrapyard

[light ore]

i think the strongest build in the game right now is antax+revolver weapon specialist (sorry, meant rashad)

[frank ether]

sheesh

[light ore]

which, you just plow through the game with that

[frank ether]

antax

tac axe?

nah more like rashad CA

if you can get a good roll

which is the difficult part

[light ore]

with agile engagement up, a bodyshot revolver crit 1shots a rager

[tall torrent]

After trying all 3 tho I greatly prefer mk7 moveset over mk4

[light ore]

and every kill gives you a garunteed crit

[frank ether]

Idk I just cant stand tac axe attack pattern

combat axe are good though

I like combat axes

very nutty with weapon spec

[light ore]

i would put ciag and revolver at same tier, but weapon specialist pushes revolver through the roof, and leaves ciag in the dust exepct for boss dps

[frank ether]

So uh

on braced revolver

I think the way you're supposed to play it is to just

[terse idol]

hmm

[frank ether]

get a weapon spec proc

[terse idol]

Disagree

[frank ether]

and spam all 5 shots

[terse idol]

focus target with CIAG

Slapp

[frank ether]

or at least

spam the trigger

its not a precision weapon

its more of a aim center mass kinda weapon

[light ore]

really obscenely strong, but the lack of pen is what holds it back imo

[terse idol]

hmm

onslaught

[light ore]

i mean for shooting through targets

[frank ether]

yeah but pen is a broken stat

[light ore]

if there's a trapper behind a hoard, ciag suffers

revolver just deletes it

[frank ether]

I mean, not really

well depends

[light ore]

like, fundamentally, nothing can compete with "delete anything anywhere on the map instantly"

[frank ether]

thing is ciag melts hordes fast enough that often times

I just reach the elites

[tall torrent]

CIAG is uniquely not as bad because it kills everything so fast u will still kill the trapper

Especially if u have deathspitter which allows u to penetrate a little

[frank ether]

through sheer dps

had times where I got through like 4-5 chaff and kill trapper anyways

[gusty bison]

New volver is pinpoint accurate though

[light ore]

it's the difference between "kill it in 0.2 seconds" and "kill it instantly"

[light ore]

what's the trick?

[frank ether]

dont think its quite as tight as zarona for long range shots

[gusty bison]

Its like plasma

Shoot center of crosshair

[tall torrent]

That’s only first shot tho right?

[light ore]

um

i use dot crosshair for everything

[gusty bison]

Im not sure if it has the same aim assist as zarona

[frank ether]

me neither, didnt bother testing

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[frank ether]

also testing is hard

because braced weapon

[gusty bison]

Zarona has aim assist

[frank ether]

it has a cone to begin with

[light ore]

it doesn't have any aim assist

[gusty bison]

Which doesnt help.

[gusty bison]

Yes it does

It 100% dows

[light ore]

the new revolver?

[terse idol]

uh

[gusty bison]

In fact its quite massive

[frank ether]

new one Idk

[tall torrent]

Zarona has bullet magnetism

[terse idol]

Not really though

[gusty bison]

The old one

[frank ether]

old one has uh.. ''fat bullets''

[terse idol]

because CIAG is very horde efficient

[tall torrent]

Slightly different thing from aim assist but achieves more or less the same goal

[light ore]

yeah, sorry, was reffering to a previous conversation

[terse idol]

Also trappers are slightly taller than most hordes

[light ore]

i don't like old revolver, cause i feel like i'm cheating w/ bullet magnetism

[gusty bison]

Im not sure if the new one has aim assist

[light ore]

and i don't like new revolver, which doesn't have bullet magnetism, because it is innacurate

like, if you have better information on this, hit me

[terse idol]

New revolver has issues

[tall torrent]

New revolver 0 cleave is a bummer

[light ore]

but i think the bullets don't go where your crosshair is 100% of the time

[terse idol]

which is weird

[light ore]

there is fundamental innacuary baked in

also ye no cleave sucks

[terse idol]

Because it doesn't clear ragers fast...

[tall torrent]

We should get a talent or smth that just says “+cleave on all ranged attacks”

[light ore]

so don't like either revolver, cause one is overly generous, and one is overly punishing

with regards to aim

[frank ether]

its not broken OP like the old one

I think it just needs

a little bit of pen

just enough to punch through friendlies

[light ore]

i would take accuracy over pen

[frank ether]

that would be a nice touch

[light ore]

but both would be nice

[tall torrent]

Punch through friendly is like agripinaa1 / helbore level cleave

It needs to penetrate most soft targets

[frank ether]

I mean its not meant to be accurate is the thing