veteran-class

[serene sage]

those are too big imo

[scarlet smelt]

Well

Uh

3266 damage on a bulwark parry bodyshot

I need to figure out how to get it to hit the head

[native hamlet]

interesting

i wonder if there's a hitbox debug mod

[balmy flume]

Scion helmet is absolutely dope.
I run it with the green uniform and storm ranger Autogun. Perfect colour matches.

Time to farm the last 10 repair missions for that penance.
Then only Investiagtes left for that one dangly.

[slate sleet]

so how come ogryn the class with the least complexity in the game has a condensed community made info dump yet we have the opposite of that

[balmy flume]

Because…we figured our stuff out on day one

Back when Vet was OP

[slate sleet]

?

[balmy flume]

Early release Darktide was… very different.
We vets were deleting entire maps with out abilities.

[slate sleet]

99% of people in here have no idea what they are talking about

[bitter turtle]

Doesn't that answer your question

Least complex is easy to make an infodump for

[serene sage]

well if you think people here have no idea what they are talking about then maybe no one is ever qualified to make anything

better go ask Reddit I guess

[white minnow]

well, if it's easier to make a guide for a class then i assume that there are probablistically more people who'd want to make a guide

[potent iris]

less complex typically means easier to explain

[white minnow]

imagine making a guide for the classes with more weapons

[potent iris]

but also ngl I think most vets and zealots who are really on the up and up with how shit works just can't be fucking arsed writing a guide

and the ones who can be tend to end up in ADHD procrastination hell instead of actually writing a guide (this is me)

[serene sage]

I have saved 1000 people apparently

didn't know I was that much of a team player

[civic bane]

What blessings is recommended for the plasma gun ?

[balmy flume]

And a good player.
Gotta stay up long enough for the res

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/glenpowell-hangman-top-gun-maverick-gif-27167381

[sharp ember]

Blaze Away 3 and Gets Hot 4 for maximum damage potential, but having 2 good perks is probably more important for consistency

so not the end of the world if you have to keep Gloryhunter or something as a blessing

[pure chasm]

speaking of the plasma gun i got this but which perk should i change

[sharp ember]

i'd keep reload for reliability, since that tiny extra crit damage is only gonna contribute to bosses

unless you're into that

the difference both of these perks make are really small

[abstract niche]

I personally chose 25% dmg vs Unyielding and 25% Dmg vs Carapace Armored cause they are the only enemies that take more than one shot to kill

I do love how the Sticky Grenades just chew through giant chunks of the Monstrocities Health too

[flat dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b24f7dc-a8c8-4a85-926e-ac8c3621db02/charge

Opinions?

[scarlet smelt]

this was cap, 2000 something damage instead on a bulwark parry headshot

[sharp moon]

is there smthing that doesnt count as hit?... i had nearly perfect aim and yet didnt get achiev for having used all ammo with 90%+ accuracy, was using cantrael shotgun...

[sharp ember]

did you shoot bulwark shields

[sharp moon]

maybe, mostly with special mode

but they never been alone, so it always hit smthing else too

i will need the mod for statistics probably... to see it for real

[sharp ember]

that's all i can think of unfortunately

[sharp moon]

will give it 1 more try and then install mod, ty for tip, will try to jsut krak them

[cedar pecan]

what's the current infantry autogun meta

columnus mk V with dumdum and and raking fire?

[muted knot]

I assume this is a melee hellbore build ?

[muted knot]

Flak/maniac dumdum

The last blessing is whatever you want it to be

Fire frenzy for more damage

[cedar pecan]

and columnus mk v is the preferable model?

[muted knot]

Yes

It's the only real outlier in the IAG category

Higher dps than the others

[cedar pecan]

which blessing should I pick in this scenario then?

[muted knot]

Eh might keep speed loader, never hurts

Stripped down is kind of ass

[sharp ember]

stripped down is funny for sprinting towards shooters, if you always run a stamina curio

up to you which to swap

[umbral scaffold]

I found that with the sprint efficiency node at the top and stripped down 3 you are edging the 60%

I wonder if that and the +1 stamina below confirmed kill don't do the trick

[sturdy crow]

stripped down with duck and dive should be fun

[nimble sentinel]

can it be saved fellas?

[muted knot]

I mean

No

None of the blessings are exactly optimal

Same with perks

I guess you could swap shred for rampage and carapace for flak

[nimble sentinel]

beans

[muted knot]

Problem is you need to hit your shred crit to trigger rampage

[cedar pecan]

is there a good darktide youtuber that posts talent builds?

[torpid sundial]

hmm

sprint to flak, shred to brutal momentum 🤔

[vivid canyon]

oh blessed axe.... those numbers...

i run breutal momentum and headtaker

[fresh grail]

the can opener

[umbral scaffold]

Rev to rampage, infested to maniac and it's pretty much what I use

[vivid canyon]

also what do you folks look for on a zarona mk IIa revolver

[umbral scaffold]

Maniac, surgical, handcannon

Carapace too if you're feeling spicy

[vivid canyon]

i do feel pretty spicy

honestly though gloryhunter has surprisingly come in handy a few times

because i've been running melee vet, and being able to tank a slap mid horde because you pulled the revolver to pick off a sniper feels nice

[umbral scaffold]

Gloryhunter is very useful for weapons that aren't too nice with toughness, like knife

[vivid canyon]

or for me who will fly into a berzerker rage upon seeing a monstrosity

you don't understand i need my uptime

[umbral scaffold]

Or if for some reason or another you didn't put out for blood on your build

[vivid canyon]

[nervously checks build]

[umbral scaffold]

I really can't decide between the Columnus and Agri IAG.

[barren cave]

col all day for me

[umbral scaffold]

Believe I the agri can one-shot shooters at good ranges on vet

[barren cave]

columnus with the onslaught talent is monke brain 101

[muted knot]

I still don't think onslaught is needed on ciag

Why waste the ammo when you can just pull out your Powersword and 2 tap the crusher ?

[barren cave]

what powersword

I run dclaw

[muted knot]

If you are gonna be a metaslave you might as well go all the way

[muted knot]

Point still stands

What is it ? 3 parrys ?

[umbral scaffold]

I tend to stick to the middle of the herd and just shout at people to restore toughness, so being able to spray things with the col is nice when it gets gnarly. I guess I'll go roll a col. I like that that rhymes.

[odd sparrow]

ogryn have way fewer guns and talent interactions to worry about. I would wager the size of such a project would be 5-10 times bigger with vet

[barren cave]

3 parrys is too long tbh, id prefer onslaught

or kraks

[umbral scaffold]

Good luck timing that during most of the situations the game throws crushers tbh

[dire olive]

answered your own question

[muted knot]

How the hell do youarrive at 5 to 10 times ?

[umbral scaffold]

I always feel like the thammer zealot, plasma vet or BB psyker drops the shit I would krak grenade before they have a chance to detonate.

Just don't have any of those in your group

Ez

[umbral scaffold]

I love veteran chat.

Simple solutions

[muted knot]

Yeah we got that good advice

[umbral scaffold]

vote kick anyone who can do my job

thats some hobbesian shit right there

To the krak's credit, its small AoE comes in handy at times

I do like it, I just wish I got a chance to blow up crushers more with it

[barren cave]

krak is good, but I love me some shredder spam

[umbral scaffold]

watching 30 poxwalkers start to bleed is pleasing to the blood god

[barren cave]

although I like that I dont have to take tinkerer with krak, frees up some points

[muted knot]

Kraks do surprisingly well into mixed hordes

[odd sparrow]

we have atleast 3 times as many weapon options and roughly 1.5 more talents, with a lot of talent weapon interactions that should be mentioned. Vet also just has way more playstyle options based on weapon choice than ogryn. Ogryn is always somewhat locked into trash clearing.

while vet can do a bit of everything.

looking at the ogryn document i would guess 5 times is propably the more accurate estimate

[vernal harbor]

It’s insane how common it is to make a single misstep and get disabled then for that .1 second the teammates take to look/acknowledge you’ve been disabled, it’s caused irreparable damage to their focus and their entire mental state is untied

slips on banana peel

[stone folio]

what blessings/perks are good on the vraks mk7 headhunter?

[muted knot]

Allegedly surgical and deadly accurate

And flak/unarmored

For gunner onetaps

[stone folio]

hm aight

was wondering if no respite was ever worth it

[muted knot]

No

Hitting the flinching enemy's is harder to do on purpose than the payout is

[zealous otter]

Even for burst fire HH I still don't use no respite

[stone folio]

shame it just wont apply on the first bullet

[muted knot]

I mean that one just wants HH/DA

[muted knot]

That would just be a straight up power increase

[zealous otter]

I run surgical because zealot knives pick up the Crit

[muted knot]

What

Oh

Like the throwing knifes ?

[zealous otter]

Yeah, they pair really well with HH rifles because the HH has rather bad maniac damage, but knives oneshot all of them except muties

[slate sleet]

auto lesaer?

i rock the sedition drip just for people like that

[stone folio]

just me or are alot of the las weapons kinda...

why is the original las pistol the best of em

[scarlet smelt]

I've actually wiped in like a single game today from someone accidentally whiffing at a barrel and instantly killing three (plus me)

original las pistol fires fast and I think actually has damage bonus against flak

Oh you mean the best of all las weapons

idk mobility maybe

I've been having a strange amount of fun with this loadout in Damnation

Even tried the maelstrom damnation mission occasionally in the normal mission selector

Onslaught absolutely fucking carries the recon lasgun though

[zealous wyvern]

you may be talking about proper builds

all i see is a funny pfp gif on loop

[dusty sluice]

i'm curious, bolter bps?

[scarlet smelt]

[zealous wyvern]

funny

[cedar pecan]

when I see that frame on a difficulty above malice I just assume the mission will be a failure

[scarlet smelt]

I don't even mind

Two ogryns with the sedition frame

perfectly fine

[zealous wyvern]

i use the level 1 metal frame

[sharp ember]

i trust them because i know they're wearing it on purpose

[civic knot]

Any veterans here with mics that might help me to hit a breakpoint with shovel 3? I need people that are calculating damage in this game

[zealous wyvern]

i hate how clunky most frames look

[sharp ember]

i use the basic green military frame

[zealous wyvern]

and they hide your face

[civic knot]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042909101266579467

[cedar pecan]

same

[zealous wyvern]

i WOULD use the green frame but it doesnt suit krieg

[cedar pecan]

but I use the three purity seals badge thingy

[zealous wyvern]

so i only use it on my cadian char

[cedar pecan]

so people know I'm not that new

[strange grove]

any vraks7 enjoyers here?

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[dusty sluice]

its funny seing a lvl 50< with this frame

[zealous wyvern]

it is the only headhunter i use regularly

i think they messed up by making the frames get thicker inwards

instead of outwards

if you know what i mean

i like seeing my head thank you

[scarlet smelt]

Wait no I wasn't hallucinating

parry bodyshot damage on Bulwark hit this number

[cedar pecan]

always scary to witness

[dusty sluice]

noooo

[wary galleon]

at some point the director felt we needed a wave of Mutants, Dogs, and a plague ogryn ON the tight staircases.

as much as i love shooting and activating my rambo neron brain. Stealth vet is incredibly fun

[scarlet smelt]

It even serves as a filter

Some people will leave if you have stealth on

[wary galleon]

wich makes no sense to me.

i mena

LOOK AT MA RESCUE STAT >:d

why would you not want a lil sneeky boi coming in to revive you :p

https://tenor.com/view/keepingupappearances-britbox-hyacinth-bucket-sneaky-sneak-gif-13649530

[zealous wyvern]

i use aquila bought gear and the lvl1 frame, noone knows if im good or not until we get to it

although i am 30 so

[wary galleon]

john darktide is actually a primarch in disguise

[cedar pecan]

the cosmetics you have on mean very little as far as skill is concerned tbh

[wary galleon]

orly

[scarlet smelt]

I suspect it's the whole "sneghs if you were more useful we wouldn't be down sniffs snot back into nose" thing

[wary galleon]

aah maybe

but if i dont care a lil bit

i wont be able to revei

because often the team sure as shit can revive me often

[scarlet smelt]

Meanwhile I'm sitting here like "man it would have taken an act of fucking god to be able to pop off enough plasma shots to cover your ass I wouldn't have changed shit"

[civic knot]

Anyone here that might help me to hit a breakpoint with shovel 3 on a mauler with this setup? I dont wanna change the talent tree at all so tell me if this can work for one shotting maulers in the head without limbsplitter? Also, can I hit the breakpoint if I change cara to 25% or thrust to 4? I dont wanna do both

here is the dmg number without limbsplitter

[sturdy crow]

No survivalist, bleh

[civic knot]

Only use this when theres other survivalist vet, dont bully

[scarlet smelt]

Does that 10% rending help at all with the damage number

from the middle tree

[civic knot]

yes but Im not changing the talent tree

[scarlet smelt]

oh

idunno if you're not changing

does it have uncanny strike like the normal shovel or nah

ehh that wouldn't do enough even on the two parter hit I think

I'm not a number person but you might be SoL without limbsplitter here

[muted knot]

Hellbore best gun wdym

[zealous wyvern]

pistol also good

infantry lasguns also good

only reacon isnt good

[flint lake]

Shotgun still ain’t that hot

[muted knot]

Shotguns can do some serious work

[sick marsh]

Pretty much all the infantry lasguns are very good too.

[flint lake]

Got some great buffs last patch but the fact it still can’t body shot a shotgunner at close range is shameful

[scarlet smelt]

yeah recon lasguns are kind of piddly pathetic

[flint lake]

It ought to be just as powerful as the revolver at close range with a steep drop off making it less efficient beyond 15m

[scarlet smelt]

but I got it to be okay viable in damnation and that's fine with me

[scarlet smelt]

It should do enough stagger to knock mutants out of a charge on a close range headshot.

[stone folio]

kek just wait untill they release the shotgun las.... itll be funny to see that happen

thnx hadron for not bein a heretic this time

[pale spear]

What is considered the best recon las gun?

[stone folio]

6d no?

or it was before the free bullet on crit got nerfed

should have the highest DPS at the cost of worst ammo efficiency

[dusty sluice]

this is mine

[frank ether]

this is gold

whenever I equip r*con I ask myself the same question tbh

[sharp moon]

does teammate ammo regen counts towards no ammo penance? 4th try and still nothing... do shotgun pellets have to land all? i thought jsut 1 is enough

[scarlet smelt]

If it works is it really stupid

[frank ether]

its the most build neutral and adaptable

[frank ether]

this reminds me of a convo I had with someone regarding brautos vs iags

guy pulled a scoreboard with like

25+ something ammo pickups

[scarlet smelt]

Yeah sounds like me

I try not to grief though so I let others have the ammo unless they're all mostly full

Otherwise, suppression from recon is no joke when you encounter an oops all gunners room

[frank ether]

it actually annoys me on recon

[pastel geode]

Suppression do silence the shooters

[frank ether]

because it needs headshot to kill fast

it does in a narrow cone

what you need to know is

it wont supress the entire room

[scarlet smelt]

Yeah

I just wave my gun in a horizontal line and most of them go silent though

That's enough for a counter push in

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-suppressing-fire-gif-11401460

[scarlet smelt]

Exactly

[frank ether]

bruh

wild

[scarlet smelt]

I used the suppression dealt node and talent in the middle tree

[pastel geode]

Me with the brauto

[frank ether]

you ''supress'' on brauto by design

its inaccurate

[pastel geode]

I know

[frank ether]

tho tbh it is much much better at suppressing than other guns too so there is that

just by design

having fat ass magazine

[scarlet smelt]

I also got the recon to suppress Reapers

So there's also that

[frank ether]

god please dont suppress reapers dfgkhsdf

they do that stupid animation

where they cover their head

and I have to shoot them 3x more ssdfkg

[scarlet smelt]

I also got the recon to kill said Reaper

So it's not anyone's problem but mine

:P

[pastel geode]

You’re not my dad

[scarlet smelt]

Look at any given time if there's just gunners and reapers and fuckshit

[stone folio]

ugh new weapons when fatshark

[scarlet smelt]

I'm going to give the entire room botched laser eye surgery

[stone folio]

i swear new weapon patches end up being the most fun

[scarlet smelt]

And we'll storm them in melee and they just can't shoot at us anymore

[pastel geode]

I prefer giving the room high impact lead poisoning

[scarlet smelt]

Definitely more effective

[stone folio]

single barrel stubber for vet when

[frank ether]

there are many guns scabs and dregs get

but we don't

hellguns, belt-fed lmgs, longlas etc

[scarlet smelt]

I'd take a hellgun or hotshot

[stone folio]

i want something belt fed for the vet

[placid portal]

A personal stubba

Stubbas are just machineguns, and the Stubbas that ogryns use are twin linked so single barrel stubba for dakka gaming

[stone folio]

like the talent page has been annoying me with the left most picture

[frank ether]

some proper lmg would be cool

[slate sleet]

i like how you took the 30% dmg for 5 sec node for infiltrate but the 10% for 5 sec on ult use in the middle is not good enough your team needs to regain 15% of the toughness you regain for some reason

[frank ether]

no the funny thing is they could just take marksman for 10 sec %20 power

[stone folio]

of a vet just hipfiring a belt fed weapon like a badass while being assisted by a shoulder mounted targeting laser, gimme that!

[slate sleet]

agrip brauto is basically a lmg

it looks and feels like one

[stone folio]

id like one thats capable of accurately aiming down sight

[frank ether]

thats funny because if they do LMG they way I think its just gonna be a worse brauto for veteran

[stone folio]

just give it tons of recoil to make it hard to control

[slate sleet]

agripina IAG is what you are describing

[stone folio]

not enough ammo in the mag

[slate sleet]

graia IAG

[stone folio]

i hope not... but itll probably happen

[frank ether]

It will either trade away DPS or it will trade accuracy/mobility

maybe all 3

[slate sleet]

its pretty much a given we will get some heavy weapon style gun at some point

it would be amazing if it was a full on hotshot las or some mg42 thing like dreg gunners have

[frank ether]

I just don't think slow braced lmg would synergize well with exec stance at all.

which is kinda ironic they put the machinegunner on the left side image

[slate sleet]

the pictures are just art its not a repesentation of anything

[frank ether]

its just funy

[slate sleet]

left side tree would be a wheelchair krieger doing 80% overkill damage if it was accurate

[frank ether]

I think the main problem with exec is nothing but the fact that you are competing with your teammates to begin with

[stone folio]

depends, i could see the LMG being funny if exec stance suddenly makes it accurate and easily controlable

[frank ether]

and by its nature having it coupled with an inaccurate slow ''support'' sort of weapon

just doesnt work

and its double funy for people who take highlight for allies

so their teammates can steal their kills guaranteeing exec will end early

then neither teammates keep the highlight nor do you keep the exec stance

[stone folio]

..........me who doesnt take highlight for allies cuz they never shoot what i spot

[slate sleet]

the gun balance contradicts what the lift side tree is trying to do

[stone folio]

true

[frank ether]

Its exec stance that doesn't fit the game at this point

[slate sleet]

its supposed to be the sniper style gameplay but almost all actual precision guns like that dont need anything that tree has to offer to reach breakpoints

so it turns into some bastardized version of itself where the actual benefitors are low damage rapid fire guns

[frank ether]

It wasnt a problem when vet was the dedicated class for elite/special hunting with the only ability designed for it

[slate sleet]

who have a much easier time keeping the chain buff going

literally the only change exec stance needs to become actually usable is the camo expert node from infitrate being added to it

[frank ether]

helbores value the instant weapon swap but the problem is, both VoC/Infiltrate also give you the room to reload/swap while also replenishing your toughness

camo expert

lmao

oh that brings back funny memories

I think they probably thought about camo expert on the marksman keystone

[slate sleet]

camo expert never left

its just part of infiltrate now

[frank ether]

Now that you have a marksman focused keystone having an ability also do the same thing but differently is dumb

[slate sleet]

and its just as broken as it sounds

[frank ether]

yee except its for melee playstyle that doesnt even need the breathing room the way marksman builds do lmao

[slate sleet]

i use my gun 90% of the time

with a infil build

and a raking fire agrip

its incredibly good

i literally dumped every single defensive talent i had because i just do not get hit ever by anything anymore

90% less aggro for 10 sec means that the only thing that will ever touch you is like 2 random poxwalkers per wave

infiltrate with camo expert lets you actually shoot stuff like a marksman because you dont have 10 pipers spawning out of the door behind you trying to beat you to death 24/7

[stone folio]

i understand the agrip brauto is the closest to an LMG we can get, but ive been trolled by it so much cuz im forced to take out distant targets like snipers etc

[frank ether]

too bad

[stone folio]

that i dont like using it

[frank ether]

going from survivalist-infiltrate and back to left tree

you pay a lot of tax

I saw some helbore infiltrate builds on yt

and all of them rather garbage

[slate sleet]

yeah you lose like 3 points

sucks but its the price you pay for one of the absolute best dps setup builds in the game

[tidal rapids]

If I take a blessing from say a Graia IAG, would it be usable on a CIAG?

[slate sleet]

no

[tidal rapids]

Both are IAGs but different patterns

[slate sleet]

blessings are weapon specific

[stone folio]

as long as they belong to the specific weapon group you can

brace auto guns blessings wont be able to apply infantry auto gun blessings

[slate sleet]

no

[stone folio]

but if you take a blessing from the agrip IAG you can put it on the columnus IAG

[slate sleet]

blessings you get from agrip brauto will only work for agrip brauto

[gusty bison]

Play zealot.

Brauto becomes a laser beam

:P

In all seriousness IAG is what ur looking for

[keen aspen]

what do?

[gusty bison]

If u want an accurate bullet hose

[slate sleet]

oh yeah?

[stone folio]

yes, as long as its the same weapon group its fine

[odd sparrow]

rampage --> brutal momentum
crit chance --> flak

[umbral scaffold]

I have cycler 4, should I roll up a PS or keep using the XIIIg for just general versatility

[stone folio]

but like a headhunter autogun blessing is ONLY for other headhunter autoguns

[gusty bison]

Use what u like

[stone folio]

what builds do ppl run with IAG?

[white minnow]

no

[gusty bison]

I mean

[white minnow]

they are shared between weapon families

[gusty bison]

Whatever u want

[white minnow]

braced autoguns share blessings with each other

[gusty bison]

IAGs are pretty build independent

[slate sleet]

i was thinking of something else

[white minnow]

e.g., if you got a blessing from a graia braced auto, that gets to be used on the agri and columnus brauto

[slate sleet]

need coffee

[gusty bison]

The only things an IAG really wants is precision strikes

Everything else just go with what u wanna go with for ur build

[civic knot]

Does this apply during invis or after you leave?

[sharp moon]

i am so careful to hit everything with shotgun... still... not 90%+ accuracy... just wtf... is there some trick to it or is game trolling me?

[barren cave]

I did it a few weeks ago with revolver

its doable

[sharp moon]

i should ve do it 5 times already xD

[barren cave]

revolver with no ammo buffs and it has low base ammo, I only dumped it into 2 monstrosities, melee build for the rest of the mission

[slate hawk]

I did it with the plasma gun

[barren cave]

you can just use a trash revolver too, it doesnt matter if you're only gonna use it to magdump into monstrosities and play melee vet

[slate hawk]

Can't miss when your charged shots go through the map lol

[sharp moon]

gonna try revolver, i am becoming desperate and angry at game, i see the X as hit all the times with shotgun... yet still nothing

[slate hawk]

I feel your pain

[untold mulch]

Shotgun is not great for that

Looks like missing pellets count

[umbral scaffold]

did it with plasma, took about 5 tries

[buoyant python]

Revolver was also my goto choice

[untold mulch]

Yeah around that

[buoyant python]

Before the Class updatew it was alot more ass to do hahah

[untold mulch]

Mostly a skill issue + revolver users stealing my kills before my overcharge could shoot

[icy light]

that was the wrong image

What can i do with this?

[slate sleet]

all red keystone buffs start ticking after you leave stealth

enter the reddit.

[icy light]

I want to get rid of the brittle but i dont know what should go on it

it performs pretty well already

[late hatch]

swap spec damage perk for maniac.
probs swap supercharge for rampage?

[icy light]

i already swapped out stamina efficiency for carapace

so i've only got one change

I could swap carapace for maniac tho, ig

i have a wrath 4 power sword sitting in the wrings

this thing already cleaves like a hot knife through butter ,though.

sunder 4 on another

[late hatch]

i dont think cara is really worth except in a few rare cases to pass breakpoints. maniac is great coz of the enemies it covers includes ragers and trappers and one of the flamers i think?
flak is generally useful as many of the mid tier enemies have flak and you can cut the hits needed to kill them. but if you use charge well you can carve them up with that

[icy light]

My revolver already oneshots gunners and shotgunners

I'm running the target mark keystone

It takes four shots to down a marked crusher, for reference

[late hatch]

mauler chest is flak, generally better to chest them rather than headshot

[icy light]

yeah, i'm aware of that.

[late hatch]

maniac best damage perk

then flak

[sharp moon]

ok thx for help... first try revolver done xD

[late hatch]

if you want to go something else for a specific build fine. but they are the most rec as they are the most useful in the most places

[icy light]

I think i'm gonna swap out supercharge for sunder or wrath

This power sword mostly exists to say 'Get off of me so i can get back to doming specialists and elites'

So deleting hordes is a very good thing for it

[late hatch]

then why take cara on it?

[sturdy crow]

Some advice here please, I guees unarmored -> flak and deathspitter -> dum dum is the way to go here?

[icy light]

That was a spur of the moment decision after being caught with no bullets in my revolver by a crusher patrol

that's already a pretty good gun.

What's the build you're running on that?

[sturdy crow]

voc, weapon specialist

[muted knot]

Sounds good

[icy light]

Stripped down and ghost might go well, but you already have some good ideas for it

[muted knot]

Wep spec on the coach seems meh

Why run wep spec m

[elder python]

sprint or specialist gone for maniac?
Leaning towards specialist

[sturdy crow]

Because it's fun and strong

[sturdy crow]

I'll go with my ideas then

[muted knot]

You do you but I think you arent getting much for your gun

[sturdy crow]

I'm not getting much for it? What do you mean?

[muted knot]

Your ideas are correct

[late hatch]

deathspitter is fine, dumdum is also good. unarmoured is pretty trash unless you need to clear pyjama bois faster. flak would be better

[sharp moon]

much better... stupid shotgun xD

[muted knot]

I personally think you are better off without keystones on ciag but you do you

[untold mulch]

Or if rending strikes, pick tag

[muted knot]

Dum dum is a must since it's bugged

[untold mulch]

get that subnode for that sweet sweet %toughness regen

[late hatch]

sprint is only really great with stripped down imo. swap that for maniac

[sturdy crow]

Running this right now, clearing auric maelstrom with pretty good stats with my current columnus 5 and knife 6

[muted knot]

Interesting

[stiff merlin]

The Kantrael is very good a popping heads and can one shot headshot like the best but the thing about lasweapons is with Vet they can be very ammo efficient. Still had basically a full ammo load at the end of mission without any ammo pickups. Its just they're very weird and do more damage the farther away you are (unless certain perks are being reflected on weapon stats)

except the recons

[elder python]

yeah run the weapon as is on malestrom a bit, sprint efficiency is nice tho i will miss it

[stiff merlin]

but recons get stagger?

[muted knot]

You should add why they are so ammo efficient cause that reads as if it did so on its own

[stiff merlin]

well if you go survivalist and shock trooper, a Vet can make good use of lasguns

though, I wonder what would happen if you went no auras build.....

[sharp moon]

i am trying to make lasgun build, any tips? .)

[late hatch]

take shock trooper

[stiff merlin]

Depends on what you want to do and which lasgun

[dusty sluice]

suggestions?

[sharp moon]

oh yeah, definitely gonna take shock trooper, VIIa lasgun
so far this, jsut hit 30 level so i can try to roll some weapons finaly .)

[agile yew]

Thats like 1 talent point away from what i planned (want that dodge giving stamina)

Oh wait, also want crit aim that uses stamina

[muted knot]

Recon las gun is pretty damn terrible, be warned

[untold mulch]

At least he didn't say Recon II

[muted knot]

It's in there

[rare tartan]

yeah , if you wanna use lasgun , is probs better to use pistol or hellbore

[untold mulch]

laspistol with fullauto mod

is a better recon than recon

[late hatch]

the 2 laspistols are amazing, the mk12 is great

and yeah full auto mod makes them not give you RSI

[untold mulch]

I would use laspistol more, but they nerfed the ROF of the basic one back to prepatch

[late hatch]

also FOV mod means you can use them like sniper rifles

[stiff merlin]

How does suppression work?

[untold mulch]

You aim worse

Them, they cower in cover

and scatter

perhaps also accuracy loss

[sharp ember]

eh i draw the line at FOV altering if the gun wasn't meant to do it

[untold mulch]

I like how this game does suppression

more shooters need to get more creative to make covering fire actually useful

[agile yew]

I feel bad at times killing those enemies just hiding scared while im on killing spree

[stiff merlin]

I know on Gunner Ogryn with heavy stubber you can lockdown a horde, its nice, I'm just not sure what weapons for Vet could do that

[sharp ember]

the braced autoguns are the best at applying suppression

most automatic weapons will do it if you shoot enough and the enemy type is cowardly enough

[white minnow]

yeah the agri brauto is your friend if you want to shoot down hordees

[sharp ember]

killing enemies with a boltgun or plasma gun will cause a small "oh shit" suppression around the enemy you kill

[untold mulch]

They are heretics 🗿

[rare tartan]

braced or shredder pistol

[white minnow]

the agrri brauto in particular since it has 3 cleave

compared to the medium variant, the columnus, which has 2.1 cleave

[late hatch]

meh if they wont give us customisation like scopes then idc about doing it with mods

[untold mulch]

Agri brauto I noticed a lot of enemies just not shooting me period because I only did a half burst in the direction

Feels very good

[late hatch]

like half the guns are barely usable without modding sights on them

[terse idol]

Hmm they certainly play different enough imo
If youre going for that long range play style go Exe MF

[sharp ember]

the stagger and suppression values built into the agri brauto are pretty stronk

[rare tartan]

i use stealth sniper build , for hellbore

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR kinda? You get used to em

[barren cave]

guns are very usable with vanilla sights , sure they get better if you add modded ones

[late hatch]

bolter and HB irons are aids

[stiff merlin]

The lack of sights is a bit disappointing, but we are a penal group. Though, at 30 we're supposed to be full members of the warband so.....

[untold mulch]

Yeah usable

they are still terrible

[barren cave]

hb I kinda get , since you do want precision aim

[untold mulch]

We are penal in level 1-5 or such

Afterwards we are expendable troops to say

and yeah at 30 we are warband members

[stiff merlin]

Anyone else slightly disappointed by the fact the other Headhunters don't have hyperburst?

[terse idol]

Bolt gun is just square

In theory fs do want to add weapon customization

But that's probably pretty far down the road

[untold mulch]

I wish to see more of the dialogue, because maybe we will get some real respect

Rannick already was like 🤨 damn this crackheads lowkey good

[zealous wyvern]

i wish ghost was just a little longer

[terse idol]

Like m, seemingly at trust 30 Hadron says things she doesn't say when you're trust level 1

[zealous wyvern]

i just so keep losing the immunity before landing another shot sometimes

[terse idol]

Its already kiinda here

[untold mulch]

Makes sense

[zealous wyvern]

when it matters

dialogue does change yeah

melk, hadron, guards

maybe psyker?

[untold mulch]

Guards I noticed

the rest I didn't in an obvious way

but been a long while since I was low level

Even with alternate characters I kinda bulldoze through low level quickly

[zealous wyvern]

i also think the lines of mission advisors change depending on difficulty played

[chrome pumice]

when can we have this for vet

[zealous wyvern]

if you play sedition, they talk about you worse than if you play damnation but i might be imagining things

[sharp moon]

really? oh man

[zealous wyvern]

its bad but you can make it work with some build

[barren cave]

but we dont even have the armors that are on the games cover art, for any class

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum+headhunter, onslaught is a must, lasgun ammo refill

krak grenades are probably still a good idea

[chrome pumice]

that makes me sad again

[zealous wyvern]

and you need a solid melee so you dont waste ammo on hordes

[untold mulch]

I AM THE LAW

[chrome pumice]

DAMN RIGHT

[zealous wyvern]

i like the fist-shaped wax seal

thats some merch-store level design

[untold mulch]

Up to malice if you still playing it, it should be perfectly okay

But in Heresy-Damnation you are underperforming
If you can make it work, sure go for it, but be aware of the fact

Recon requires way too much ammo intake for performing decent

[untold mulch]

🤔 that would be interesting

[zealous wyvern]

they never really talk down to me when i play normally

but when im low level i think they talk more shit about you

[untold mulch]

Huh

[zealous wyvern]

and its not the level since people can be different levels in the party

so it must be my choice of difficulty

i usually level on uprising

[untold mulch]

Would make sense,

and be nice

[sharp ember]

the recons can kill trash shooters fine enough, it's just that they lack the damage output and ammo to kill anything bigger efficiently

[zealous wyvern]

it would indeed

[untold mulch]

Exactly

[zealous wyvern]

even normal ppl cost too much ammo

[sharp ember]

and you kill a lot of bigger things at higher diffs

[untold mulch]

You can do the bare minimum job, but against the big threats you have the worst peashooter

[zealous wyvern]

since recon not only shoots super fast but also uses multiple numbers per bullet

like all lasguns

[sharp ember]

a lot of smaller things too tbh

[untold mulch]

Recon if they don't have the will to fix its damage problems, needs a shit ton of ammo more

[zealous wyvern]

i dont see how its a problem to just give it the same dps as other guns

[untold mulch]

Fatshark could have just upped the base ammo until they get over it

[zealous wyvern]

literally just make it an autogun

[untold mulch]

People ocmplaining about "BUT IS RECOILESS"

Like autogun recoil is hard to control

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair like

[zealous wyvern]

as if autoguns had recoil lmao

[untold mulch]

EXACTLY

[terse idol]

yegh I gotta like test this more

[zealous wyvern]

also one thing just being better than another isnt as big a problem

as one thing being shit

[terse idol]

Becauuuuse the vest recon model is doing as much damage as some iags
The ammo econ is just worse

[zealous wyvern]

just because 2 things are top tier, other things dont suddenly stop being fun

[terse idol]

Gonna run back the drawing board

[untold mulch]

Like dear lord, the recoil of autoguns is so easy

I have played games where recoil feels more like the Bolter shooting fullauto while ADSing

[sharp moon]

ok, ty, will try it

[zealous wyvern]

Vid

btw

the other two are bad im pretty sure

the local recon man says VId, dumdum+headhunter, onslaught and lasgun refund ammo

[untold mulch]

I agree

I always am pro- add more guns even if they overlap in roles

[zealous wyvern]

exactly

expression is a big part of games

[untold mulch]

having niche guns for stuff is how you get Halo Infinite MP

that is so boring

[zealous wyvern]

you can bet i wont stop using helbores just because they release a better charging rifle

[untold mulch]

I mean better? yeah kinda need a balance

side-grade?

[zealous wyvern]

no even a little better is fine

[untold mulch]

eh, yeah a bit is okay

[zealous wyvern]

otherwise wed all be running around with plasma, columnus or revolver

[untold mulch]

but careful with power creep

[zealous wyvern]

but we arent

are we?

sure meta slaves do that

[untold mulch]

I run now with Bolter

[zealous wyvern]

but ppl who actually just play the game to have fun dont and clear t5 fine

[untold mulch]

Bolter is a "DMR" I acutally found fun using

No headshots

Just nuke their souls

[zealous wyvern]

not once have i had the urge to complain that plasma and revolver are super strong

all that matters is that my gun does good

not if others do better

although ofc you need to make sure a gun isnt so good that it ERASES the map

like assail once did

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[zealous wyvern]

thats a problem since it steals gameplay from the others

so i hope they just make recon an autogun

if all the metaslaves swap to it from autoguns so what

i dont see how its a problem

[untold mulch]

I am content with it feeling like I am not trolling my other 3 allies

Because if I do like shit

is not my time I am wasting

is 3 others time

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

[untold mulch]

and sadly for me

[terse idol]

I mean well

[untold mulch]

Recon fits in that

[terse idol]

The fastest firing one is best

The mid range is the worst

The slow firing one is okay

[untold mulch]

VId > VIIa > > > > II

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[untold mulch]

I need more > >

Only thing it has is better ammo economy

but you are doing so little dps

[frank ether]

it depends on your FoV movement shooting habits

[untold mulch]

I play with the max the game allows

[frank ether]

right now I'm not very happy about iag recoil either as it starts strong but then immediately stops kicking

[untold mulch]

I need to search a mod if I can get 110-120 fov

I wish for the zoomies

[frank ether]

your max fov is meaningless

because

the game zooms in to a certain fov when you ads anyways

[untold mulch]

I believe another mod fixes that?

Also when I use autogun

[frank ether]

yes thats what I was getting at

[untold mulch]

ADS is not my normal shooting stance

[frank ether]

there are mods to get rid of exec zoom

or the weapon ads zoom

but its a fair trade off in my eyes

on more long range capable guns I keep the FoV as is

[untold mulch]

Hmm

[frank ether]

like agri iag

can just one tap gunners across a room

the small ones

[muted knot]

You can onetaps gunner switch agri ?

[zealous wyvern]

that sounds like a crit

[gusty bison]

Shooters u mean

[zealous wyvern]

i cant even onetap them with headhunters

[frank ether]

yes

shooters

[muted knot]

Ah shooters

[zealous wyvern]

ah

[muted knot]

Makes sense

[untold mulch]

Still nice

[zealous wyvern]

ah shooters

[gusty bison]

HHs should easily 1 tap gunners

[zealous wyvern]

with right setup yes

i do

[gusty bison]

Ah fair ye

[zealous wyvern]

but without any setup, no

[gusty bison]

Well

HHs are garbage damage without setup

[frank ether]

think its fair you have to invest some talents into it

[balmy flume]

Or unintentional multi-Vet Krak throws lol

[zealous wyvern]

yeah thats fine

im just saying i doubt agri could without crit if HH cant

without setup

[frank ether]

I think currently the only issue I see with HH guns is how the marksman flavored ability/keystone works

but thats not a gun issue

[zealous wyvern]

i would prefer a different keystone

[untold mulch]

Marksman Focus is a poorly thought keystone

don't @ me 🗿

[frank ether]

as if exec isnt enough headache

[zealous wyvern]

and sadly adds almost nothing to actual marksman guns

[muted knot]

@untold mulch

[zealous wyvern]

because they ALREADY oneshot

[untold mulch]

[zealous wyvern]

all marksman really does is overkill dmg

its bad

[muted knot]

[zealous wyvern]

and the stacks are horrible to hold

[untold mulch]

Like I think only Vraks 7 gets real benefit?

[untold mulch]

Yep

Like some here say is easy

but I feel like they are assuming their usual aim is the norm?

[muted knot]

The toughness Regen is nice

[frank ether]

my aim is a lot better when I can play naturally and not bother with stupid time gated gimmicks

[zealous wyvern]

true

[frank ether]

deadshot is the only well designed marksman talent for veteran

and everything else is utter garbage

[zealous wyvern]

FUCK deadshot

i hate deadshot

but i guess its fair

i hate that stamina loss

[untold mulch]

I am not a terrible shot, but I prefer my mind focusing on positioning, threat directions and my movement

Than being mentally pushing myself to shoot heads constantly instead of whatever bodypart is easiest now

[frank ether]

skill issue

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[frank ether]

build stamina

[zealous wyvern]

i do

its fine now

but that doesnt mean i like it

ok?

[untold mulch]

Deadshot with Bolter is my jam

Barely lose stamina

get the 30% stamina er dodge

[frank ether]

you're the only class that can turn stamina into free dps

with only one talent point

[zealous wyvern]

im running MGIa

with it

[stiff merlin]

but what about nonmarksmen guns? Though, tbf, I mostly don't run a keystone on a lot of my builds and if I do take one, its going to be the mark enemy

[zealous wyvern]

and have like +4 stamina

[muted knot]

Marksman should work with that

[zealous wyvern]

its definitely better on auto guns

[balmy flume]

If I wasn't sucdh an IAG addict I should try Deadshot Bolter...

[frank ether]

+4 is not a lot

[untold mulch]

Is easier to keep stacks the less you accurately have to aim

IN A VERY FUNNY SAD WAY

[zealous wyvern]

i have one +3 curio and +1 from skill tree i think

and im doing fine honestly

although it seems weird that i only have +4. my stamina bar is so big

[frank ether]

yes, its not a lot for iLas that gets meh base stamina to begin with

[untold mulch]

Also, Tag keystone is very good

[zealous wyvern]

i love how on my shovel i have infinite stamina now

[frank ether]

throw another +3

[zealous wyvern]

due to all the stamina

[untold mulch]

imo the only real GOOD vet keystone

Weapon Spec nerfs its gun synergy for no reason

MF is just

dumb

[frank ether]

weapon spec is still really good for iags

[stiff merlin]

I wonder if there could be a cloak combo with that since it would allow you to dump all your aggro

[frank ether]

yes you dont get full crit

but you get RoF

which is strong

[zealous wyvern]

focus fire is a good one imo

like what 50% more dmg to the target?

[untold mulch]

Fair, but would be nice the crit too

[zealous wyvern]

and a quick toughness fix for everyone

i think its insane

[untold mulch]

I don't even care about the damage

The +stamina/toughness

FOR EVERYONE?

[zealous wyvern]

dmg and toughness to me are amazing

[untold mulch]

[zealous wyvern]

it often makes the oneshot possible

[untold mulch]

I just tag as normal

[frank ether]

would be too good probably

[untold mulch]

and all allies get buffs

[frank ether]

but the bonus is

[zealous wyvern]

and on bosses, it makes a MASSIVE difference

[frank ether]

that initial crit

probably causes a crit string

[untold mulch]

I mean

[frank ether]

so you get more crit per crit anyways

[untold mulch]

Zealots get +25% crit

by existing in their left keystone

[frank ether]

look the problem is not zealots getting free crit

[untold mulch]

I meant as a comparison

[frank ether]

problem is your marksman ability/keystone having silly conditions

[untold mulch]

Yeah

[frank ether]

and punishing you for playing the game the way its meant to be played

[zealous wyvern]

i love farming blessings

im starting to fill out I and II blessings

[frank ether]

punished for moving, weapon swapping, using grenades, dodging, sliding

[zealous wyvern]

on most weapons

this is as satisfying as filling a pokedex

[untold mulch]

But that

Tag is good keystone that rewards a good mechanic tag threats

[frank ether]

tags good I changed my opinion on it

[untold mulch]

Weapon Spec is good if you go melee, but I dislike the gun aspect of the basic keystone

[frank ether]

because its a very low effort keystone

[untold mulch]

Marskman Focus is just

[frank ether]

so considering that its actually rly good

[agile yew]

When?

[frank ether]

you just press mark every 10 seconds and get mad benefits

[zealous wyvern]

that looks ridiculous

[untold mulch]

Same

Most of the kickback I had and I think several others about Tag keystone

is that the tooltip

is written like absolute dogshit

[frank ether]

yea and the real good stuff are in the modifiers

[agile yew]

To fire that minigun, you need ogryn in team to punch you 20cm deep into the ground first so you wont just fly backwards instantly upon firing

[frank ether]

it also changed from first tease to actual release

[stone folio]

tbf on mini's they make the guns really big to get some details across

[untold mulch]

Weapon Spec honestly is mostly for full melee vet

Change gun, shoot at anything

have 5 seconds of silly melee

I could chain it with laspistol quickly

[frank ether]

10

[untold mulch]

IS 10?

[frank ether]

melee proc was 10 seconds last I checked

its 5 sec for ranged proc

[untold mulch]

Imo, I still don't quite like the keystone but I am mostly sure because I prefer mostly ranged

[zealous wyvern]

how is the man even holding the gun

hed fall over

i swear the balance is way off

[untold mulch]

EMPEROR WILL

[zealous wyvern]

he would just fall forwar

FOR THE EMPEROR

[untold mulch]

BELIEVE KORPSMAN

[zealous wyvern]

you are right

[stone folio]

eh they gotta change marksmen focus somehow....

[frank ether]

well if you prefer ranged you're supposed to build left tree which is the problem

[barren cave]

the bolter?

[untold mulch]

YEAH

[frank ether]

At least they made the decision easy for rational people

[stone folio]

standing still just aint it

[barren cave]

just build both trees, no keystone vet is the way

[untold mulch]

At least I always get rending strikes

so picking tag keystone

has no "tax" for me

[frank ether]

they put precision/deadshot up so you can just take the good stuff and leave the marksman brainrot playstyle alone

[zealous wyvern]

rending strike seems weird to me

10% is good sure

but is it really THAT good?

[untold mulch]

Is a decentish bonus to every damage

[zealous wyvern]

some people go into that tree just for that talent

and i feel like that is overselling 10%

[untold mulch]

it helps with everything

[zealous wyvern]

good to pick up on the way of course

[frank ether]

good for some weapons

[untold mulch]

shooting armor

shooting at long range

[zealous wyvern]

rending helps with long range dropoff?

[untold mulch]

I heard yes

[frank ether]

on some weapons it does

[untold mulch]

Sooo its very nice

[barren cave]

the only way I run vet , with any iag and dclaw/psword

[untold mulch]

and tag basically makes my Toughness to be 100%

[frank ether]

some weapons have different armor pen values based on range

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

so yes rending helps when thats the case

you can inspect weapons to learn more about it

they'll list different damage percentage tables for near and far

when its below %100, rending gives big value

[dusty sluice]

replace both blessings or replace hammerblow and unyielding?

[primal forge]

Real quick, does anyone have advice for dealing with the "On Overwatch" penance?

[untold mulch]

I have said it before

marksman focus feels they just basically went backwards to balance it around

and headshot fishing is not for everyone

but that, weapons that fish headshots

already are oneshotting most

so whats the point

[frank ether]

I don't think mf is as bad as exec still

you can take a VoC build and throw mf in it as free ranged damage

[barren cave]

the point is you use the rapid fire weapons to hit headshots, and you use the single shot weapons for stuff like close quarters killzone

[untold mulch]

The design team is having a blast

throwing random stuff at the table

[frank ether]

they dont like ranged play

[untold mulch]

I am mostly sure yeah, they don't want people being able to play ranged

[frank ether]

well not for veteran at least

[untold mulch]

or at least they do not want to favor it in any way

[languid terrace]

That's a lot of (first target) damage!

[untold mulch]

I can't wait to see how they fuck up the Hellgun

[dusty sluice]

anyone?

[dusty sluice]

same lol

be funny if it was worse than the recon

[frank ether]

if its balanced around exec

for breakpoints

that would do it

[untold mulch]

Hellgun

semi auto

[dusty sluice]

noooo

[untold mulch]

I will jump to the eye of terror

destroy my soul for I do not wish to be here anymore

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

[frank ether]

It would be funny if they made it an all class weapon

[dusty sluice]

nooooo

i bet melta will be zealot only

[frank ether]

cause scrier gaze would absolutely demolish exec veteran with an lmg style gun

[finite imp]

i need a mod that makes the sword parry a really loud metal CLANG

[untold mulch]

metal pipe drop meme

[finite imp]

that but cool

[sharp moon]

does relentless gives +5 secs to the timer or just 5 secs from kill?

[untold mulch]

kek

[finite imp]

like the parry sound from V.A Proxy

[untold mulch]

thats gonna be painful

[untold mulch]

what was relentless?

[frank ether]

It would be absolutely fine if they followed their own autistic vision for ranged build trade-offs on all other classes

[untold mulch]

exec stance subnode?

[dusty sluice]

also probably most 2h weapons

fits zealot more

[untold mulch]

😔

[frank ether]

I mean that makes sense

2h melee on melee class

[terse idol]

If I'm gonna cope I'm gonna say Lime

Okay

[dusty sluice]

no way

[untold mulch]

If its the exec stance subnode, it resets the timer to 5 seconds

[terse idol]

Heavy troopers in the imperium

Guardsmen

[sharp moon]

yep

[dusty sluice]

Guardsmeb

[untold mulch]

Then that is not +5 secs

is a reset to 5 secs so keep firing

[terse idol]

Will have the melta

[sharp moon]

ok, so i need to wait and kill enemies in 4 secs tandem to get 20 secs for penance, ok ty

[terse idol]

Because they'd be in heavy enough armour to actually engage armour to use it

[elder fiber]

hey which helbore bayonet is the best

and why

[frank ether]

1-2

[untold mulch]

In malice-heresy you should be able to keep it easily

get the shooters are marked subnode

[terse idol]

Ideally because I'm totally not bias vet and zealot would get it

But yeah, gameplay wise zealot might get it

[untold mulch]

1 and 2 and because it hits hard and fast

3 bayonet is awkward af

and I don't even think it gets more damage

and well

slashing bayonets cringe 🗿

YOU STAB LAD

IS A SPEAR DON'T USE IT LIKE A HALBERD

[elder fiber]

mmk ty

[dusty sluice]

anyone?

[untold mulch]

Sorry, don't use shovels, someone help this lad

[elder fiber]

I'd replace blessings

[untold mulch]

Though limbsplitter?

[untold mulch]

actually agreed

[elder fiber]

limbsplitter is okay but there's better ones imo since it doesn't cooldown while you're attacking

[untold mulch]

is the pick shovel

Limbsplitter I only see it if you plan to use it once every once in a while

[dusty sluice]

i mean i could do funny crusher one hit shovel

[untold mulch]

Fair but only every 4 seconds

Which is not funny when you got 5 on your ass

[dusty sluice]

normally takes that amount of time to separate one tbh

[frank ether]

limbsplitter should still charge when you're using it tbh

kind of weird it doesn't

[balmy flume]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/dragonfire-uk-fires-high-power-laser-at-aerial-targets-for-first-time-with-intense-beam-of-light-able-to-cut-through-drones-13051553

Lascannons are a thing now apparently

[untold mulch]

OH?

Wait

When you hit with it charging

it doesn't reset?

[north coyote]

Suppression immunity = no scope flinching when gunners fire towards you?

[untold mulch]

[gusty bison]

If by lascannon we mean glorified laser pointer

Yes

[frank ether]

while you're beating hordes it doesnt recharge

you need to not hit for 4 secs

[dusty sluice]

Lemme test it

[dusty sluice]

LASCANNON

[untold mulch]

oh

then ehh

[gusty bison]

Its designed to take down fragile quadrotors

[untold mulch]

Still good

[muted knot]

I mean how else is it supposed to work ?

[untold mulch]

for some reason I thought for a sec that it was cooldown even if you were hitting

[frank ether]

you get a damage bonus every X seconds regardless of your actions? Thats what the tooltip suggests.

but it doesnt work that way in practice.

So as usual in fartshart fashion, tooltip lies to you.

[wicked zenith]

Been toying with this. Works pretty well, can keep it stance and reload 4-5 shells as long as there are specials around for the reload buff.

[untold mulch]

Sooo

when lasgun

[muted knot]

Ah I guess that's one way to read it

[untold mulch]

Infantry lasgun when, we need the war crimes already

[pearl granite]

I want to try chainaxe, what should I have on this? 😄

[gusty bison]

Not for a while

[untold mulch]

At the rate this decade goes, by 2027 the Emperor Of Mankind will pop up

[muted knot]

Theyve been here for a long time brother, we are just blind to them

[gusty bison]

Lasers are awfully ineffectual againdt bodyarmour

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

fartshart seems busy with vermintide versus testing/balancing

[untold mulch]

I CAN'T HEAR YOUR LIES

I will deny

[frank ether]

Idk when they'll be done with that

[wicked zenith]

CHain ax you have to do Heavy Attacks

[untold mulch]

Supposedly they should have 2 teams one for each game

[gusty bison]

I guess u could leg meta with lasguns xD

[fallen compass]

I’ve been playing with the short auto gun lately pretty fun

[untold mulch]

Oh no

Tarkov days