veteran-class

[terse idol]

Finesse is one of those stats you can't dump to be fair

[umbral scaffold]

The overkill unfortunately isn't just a blanket thing because overkill on a poxwalker isn't overkill on a bruiser or elite or specialist

[primal mesa]

Yeah but on the overwhelming majority of weps the dmg stat adds so little that the snowball isnt really a thing here

Look at say the knife

M1 at 50 dmg vs 80 is literally unnoticeable

[umbral scaffold]

A 30 damage difference at base on a weapon with high finesse already makes a difference

[primal mesa]

No it doesnt

Also

Fun fact the dmg gap on a knife like that

Is not 30

Its not 10

Its not even 6 for the normal m1s

[dusty sluice]

i just noticed i'm doing 200k + ovk dmg with Rashad lol

[terse idol]

It is what it is

[dusty sluice]

on normal dams

[terse idol]

Rashad is goofy

But that is where it matters

[primal mesa]

Ovk is perspective on total

[dusty sluice]

revi and rashad on zealot is very silly

[terse idol]

seemingly rashad is one of those weapons that actually needs min 70 on all damage stats

[primal mesa]

Dont get wraped up in thinking about it

[tall torrent]

In your pursuit for scab bruiser 1HS, you deal like twice the dmg needed to kill 1 groaner

It is what it is

[primal mesa]

Its mostly a thing for trauma staff psykers and plasma vets

Where they do 1 mill dmg screenshots with 600k ovk

Like yeah real hsrd to do buddy

[muted knot]

Feels like my hellbore runs lol

[terse idol]

The pgun user when they don't meet dredge 1 shot

gets overkill

[primal mesa]

Yeah but hellbore doesnt hit 29 things at once

[terse idol]

[primal mesa]

So its actually pretty nice for hellbore

[muted knot]

Love me Hellbore

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like plasma vet getting overkill is kind of... obvious

[terse idol]

This is why BP's do become important

I mean

You can minimize it, by building for the dredge gunner bp

This is the difference between like 100 overkill and 1000

[tiny summit]

No kill like overkill

[latent rose]

noob here, what is a good weapon of killing the hordes of mobs

[dusty sluice]

i hate getting a good rashad and it doesn't hit breakpoints

[tiny summit]

400k dmg / 200k overkill

[primal mesa]

Any melee with a cleave blessing

[terse idol]

Then it wasn't good

[latent rose]

I'm level 9 so I don't have access to blessings

[umbral scaffold]

There's also things like using the same weapon on different builds, which in my case was the difference between two hits and three hits on a scab bruiser using the green shovel

[dusty sluice]

i mean with right perks and blessings

[latent rose]

err most

[primal mesa]

Find a melee you like with fulls creen attacks throw wrath slash savsge sweep on it and its good

[tiny summit]

Don't bother with any combat axe that doesn't have brutal momentum

[terse idol]

Dclaw is good for it

Shovel can be good

For control

[muted knot]

[tropic notch]

On psyker is running the one blitz that allows 1+ jumps on smite really worth it?

Or should I put that point into something else

[primal mesa]

No

Hell no

God no

[umbral scaffold]

Anyone know any good Veteran builds?

[terse idol]

Well yeah I got a suboptimal rashad and I only have the 4 hit crusher BP

[dusty sluice]

wait thats the crusher bp?

[tall torrent]

4 overhead crusher is standard for Rashad

[dusty sluice]

dammit its 5 for me

[tall torrent]

Did u take 20% ogryn/monster and 15% elite

[dusty sluice]

this is my zealot, don't have a non bricked one on vet yet sadly

so far hadron has bricked 4 375+ :(

[primal mesa]

How is it taking you guys 4 or 5?

My rashid kills them in 2 or 3 depending on crit?

[tall torrent]

3 if 1 crit

[latent rose]

This is what I'm talking about TY

[primal mesa]

For me its 2 if crit 3 if no crit

[tropic notch]

Oops

[tall torrent]

Do u have +carapace or +elite on ur Rashad

[primal mesa]

Yeah weakspot and carapace

[tall torrent]

That’s probably why

4 hit crusher can vary a lot

U could be hitting for 1180, or just over 900

[devout comet]

breakpoint moment

[primal mesa]

Im hitting it for 1200 plus consistently

[dusty sluice]

this is the current one i'm using (zealot)

[tall torrent]

That’s the perks doing their work

[dusty sluice]

17mil dockets and this is the only non bricked one

[tiny summit]

What is "good" to you? Many builds are viable and will play out well with proper gameplay. Some standout to how much value they give for laxer gameplay

[primal mesa]

Unless you have blessings that scale you should be hitting consistent numbers

[tall torrent]

If you take 15% elite + 20% ogryn/monster + desperado, the dmg gets very close to a 3 hit, but not every single build takes that so I still consider 4 as standard

[primal mesa]

I didnt take 20%ogryn or desperado on it and still consistently 3 hit them with out crit

But what i mean is dmg doesnt vary unless you have conditional s like a blessing

So 1180 to 900 shouldnt really be a thing.

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder if they made staggered enemies take more damage by default

It was a thing in Vermintide I think

[tall torrent]

Not by default in this game I think

[primal mesa]

Its not in darktide at all

Ogryn has an aura that does it

Thats it

And yes after the major bbp for vt2 they changed the game from cleave focus to stagger level focus

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher blessing kinda does that

[neat stratus]

Darktide definitely seems to want to distance itself from Vermintide in some ways that may be percieved as flaws

[primal mesa]

Stagger levels were the best god dam thing in thebgame

[umbral scaffold]

Skullcrusher does exactly that even

[primal mesa]

That too

[tall torrent]

No respite blessing also does it

But that’s it

[primal mesa]

Yeah theres loke 2 blessings and the ogryn talent

My point is its rare and not a mechanic

Where as it was built into to vt2

[neat stratus]

Like stagger = damage boost isn't much of a thing anymore

[umbral scaffold]

They gave us mainstay, the talent nobody fucking picked

[primal mesa]

Ironically

If stagger level 60% dmg came back

Support builds would sky rocket to top of meta

Smite psyker woukd stop sucking ass lul

[neat stratus]

And for good god damn reason, it was useless

[primal mesa]

God i miss stagger dmg. Things like bash knight were very impactful ways to help a team

[terse idol]

Uhhhhh, what's your rashad roll?

I'm running baseline minimum 70's over here

No BM4

[primal mesa]

Bmomentum thrust carapace weakspot dmg

[neat stratus]

Being able to hold an entire horde steady while the team obliterated it because of your damage increases

[terse idol]

Oh thrust

[primal mesa]

All maxed out t4 blesisngs and oerks

[terse idol]

I'm hitting BM with Headtaker

[tall torrent]

Oh thrust that makes sense

[primal mesa]

Head taker on c axe has always been iffy esp if you take bmomentum

[dusty sluice]

apart from +melee dmg, are there any other talents really needed for rashad?

[primal mesa]

Since half the reason for taking power goes away with bmomentum

[terse idol]

I may give thrust a try

[primal mesa]

And it stacks it slower than all the other weps

[tall torrent]

Well u want both bruiser 1HS so build for that in any way u can

[neat stratus]

Yall ever alt tab and discord gets a seizure?

[fervent kindle]

True but headtaker + bmomentum allows you to hit one shot breakpoint on scab shottguners and scab melee

[umbral scaffold]

I'm really into Autoguns. I also like the Recon Las Gun, but I prefer the Autogun lately.

[primal mesa]

You're already playing vet

One shot melee on shot gunner is a non issue

[fervent kindle]

How

[dusty sluice]

these are bruisers right?, i'm not being really stupid

[primal mesa]

Wtf do you mean how?

[tall torrent]

That’s dreg bruiser

[fervent kindle]

The ability to one shot packs of shotgunners is handy since you can 4 of them per swing

[tall torrent]

687.5hp flak

[primal mesa]

This is such an annoying fantasy

Cool when it happens

[fervent kindle]

It is not though I do it consistently

[terse idol]

You gotta hit the scab bruiser one tap

[primal mesa]

But lets not pretend

[terse idol]

Which is required for rashad

[primal mesa]

Ok dude im just gonna block you you do you lmao

[dusty sluice]

ye, the scab bruiser is the one with unarmoured as head too right?

[fervent kindle]

???????

[tall torrent]

Scab bruiser 625hp unarmored

[fervent kindle]

Funniest interaction I've had today ty for making my day

[neat stratus]

What the hell they can take a bolter shot to the body?
Wait I forget how much the bolter does but aint it like 500

Eh there's probably a damage modifier on it that makes them obliterate anyways

[tall torrent]

I’m only counting the “head” portion of their body because that’s what axe tends to hit (and what the game wants u to hit)

Body is 625 flak yea

[dusty sluice]

with or without ht?

[neat stratus]

625 on a horde enemy is crazy

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot simpler with headtaker

[primal mesa]

Not for axes

[neat stratus]

Yeah, the strikedowns usually ignore everything that isn't the head, if the swing will meet the head in its path

[primal mesa]

Combat axe m1 does a shit ton of dmg

All of them

[terse idol]

Is it?
I was under the impression BM and unarmoured was what you needed for scab bruiser one taps

[neat stratus]

And here I thought the Combaxes were supposedly weak

Allegedly

[terse idol]

They are

Ifnyou don't build right

That's the silly part

[tall torrent]

U can reach scab bruiser 1HS without unarmored, it’s just a lot harder

[primal mesa]

They are weak compared to like power sword

[terse idol]

If you dont min max a rashad

Its like C tier

No cleave

[neat stratus]

Power sword supremacy!!!! (It's been more than 50 hours since I last used one)

[terse idol]

Lack luster crusher killing

[primal mesa]

Honestly after the talent trees were added

That was such a huge boost to power

Weapons only stand out if they are god like p sword iag

[neat stratus]

Game literally became easy ngl

[primal mesa]

Or awful non cleave shotguns

Or new revolver

Even with legit horrifc guns people confuse the power of the talent tree with the gun

And say look guys its so good

[primal mesa]

Its nota coincadence that the ammount if true solos skyrocketed after the tree

[dusty sluice]

new revi is bad but funny to use

[neat stratus]

True solo damnation is the new heresy (with prenerf hound packs) with a full team

[primal mesa]

I wouldnt go that far lmao

[neat stratus]

Hey those hounds were crazy

[primal mesa]

It is a great way to get people into more serious tide though

[terse idol]

I do think min max rashash is up there with the heavy hitters

And speaking of ease of use too

[primal mesa]

It isnt brutual like true solo cata was

It isnt poorly made like true solo malestorm

Its in a good spot

[neat stratus]

Each one was almost unkillable, and they were almost impossible to stop from hitting you before they made them fair

[terse idol]

Vt2 legend hits different than darktide damnation fr

Slave rats when they scratch your back and take a quarter away

[neat stratus]

Will a qp party be competent in damnation?

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean its rng but if you can pull your weight you'll be okay

[primal mesa]

Darktide only feels easier when you play it normally

[neat stratus]

Main reason I've been iffy on it, good to know

[primal mesa]

True solo legend is a joke true solo damnation is literally impossible for 99.9% of people if they do it with out stealth

[neat stratus]

Theres more tide magic when you're alone in darktide

[primal mesa]

Yeah since darktide has good movement if you arent bw lol

You can actually make more plays

[neat stratus]

Well I guess the better term for it is tide bullcrap

But I digress, Darktide goes kind of insane with how much it wants to kill you when you're the last person alive

[primal mesa]

Yeah it spawns more stuff

[neat stratus]

Yeah, Vt2 did the same but not nearly as much

[primal mesa]

Also the average skill level in darktide is super low right now

80% of people came back post update 13

So its effectively only been out for 3 months for most

Where as vt2 has had over half a decade to develop

[neat stratus]

I wouldn't call that entirely a product of youth though, the average skill in vermintide was higher even when it was released I think

[primal mesa]

(It also has a community that isnt outright hostile to the idea of being good)

[neat stratus]

^this

[primal mesa]

Look at reddit talking sbout grims atm

[neat stratus]

People outright refuse to do anything useful in my qp matches

[primal mesa]

The average 40k player wants an unstoppable power fantasy

The average fantasy player wants to grt ground down it seems

[umbral scaffold]

Grims were always kind of whatever to me and only meant I'd be doing the mission faster because of the health ticks

[primal mesa]

They are so not a big deal

And if you kill people over them you are somehow more toxic than me

[ripe totem]

is it me or does every veteran build suck except shout + revolver usually

[umbral scaffold]

Though there's an argument to be made when 3 people don't want it and another guy insists on keeping it

[primal mesa]

Nah theres ither good ines

Raking fire infli is good

Exe stance with iag does stupid dmg

Shout is just the best since gold toughness is way over tuned

[umbral scaffold]

Shout and revolver being one of the most busted combos in the game kinda makes everything technically worse in comparison, but it's easy for everything to be worse against the best

[dusty sluice]

whats going on with that lol

[umbral scaffold]

I run knife stealth, exec helbore with shovel, caxe and shotgun and they all do pretty nice

[primal mesa]

Guy posted he let a grim holder die on pourpose

Le reddit moment happend

Now its all they talk about

[ripe totem]

idk I just feel like mobs with other guns just don't die unless like raking fire as mentioned or revolver

[primal mesa]

Is it greifing to kill teamates barrel of ledge etc

[dusty sluice]

truly a dt moment

[primal mesa]

Or is it grefing to touch one at all

[ripe totem]

so its like you have all these nodes and so on that don't do anything

[umbral scaffold]

Shoot them in the head and stuff

[neat stratus]

Thats fair, not like its making everything else irrelevant

[primal mesa]

Shout revolver is just on the strong end

Its really not outwardly broken

[umbral scaffold]

I can proc full bore and one-shot scab gunners with the agri shotty, for example

[primal mesa]

Really the only problematic thing in that set up funny enough is neither of those thing its fucking survivalist

[umbral scaffold]

Most enemies in the roster are a headshot or a headshot+bodyshot

[neat stratus]

Apparently its griefing to be helpful too ig, people like to let you die on purpose for killing everything for them while they look for the 3 ammo they didnt want to waste

[lone yoke]

are recon lasguns dead atm?

[primal mesa]

No

Bad players will say yes though which is so funny

Nothing is dead atm

Litteraly everything works

[neat stratus]

They're not as good as they could be imo

[primal mesa]

Sure but far from dead

[lone yoke]

what's a good mark? VId?

[neat stratus]

Definitely not unusable

[primal mesa]

The best one is the slowest highest dmg one

[umbral scaffold]

The blue one and the brown one

[primal mesa]

Morons will say the blue fast fireing one is best

Then bitch about ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Since they reversed the inverse falloff on the blue one, people got a bit miffed

[primal mesa]

My fav thing is going in this channel

And watching the circle jerk over hellborns

And the constant hate for recons

[terse idol]

Eh there was ljke

The previous game

[primal mesa]

When vt2 was new it was bad

[neat stratus]

I like helbores because I think they're cool
They like helbores because they think they're perfect
We are not the same

[terse idol]

Also, uh I will say the tutorial in vt2 is better than darktide

[primal mesa]

The first year if vt2 life legend qp with books was un bateable for most

[neat stratus]

Im probably thinking of a different time

[terse idol]

Cause it at least teaches players you cannot dodge overheads

[neat stratus]

You can't?

I think you mean block

[umbral scaffold]

I mean, you can here

[primal mesa]

Ill make a whacky prediction 5 years from now auric qp will be the norm that everyone plays with 90% win ratr

[neat stratus]

I almost exclusively dodge overheads in vt2

[neat stratus]

Without nerfs maybe

You underestimate qp's incompetence

[primal mesa]

Eh auric is just so so easy

[neat stratus]

^

[primal mesa]

Yeah but they are incompetent due to low hours

When i was malding over the revolver that one day

Those guys were jacking each other off over their hours played

[terse idol]

Sorry block

My brain

Stroke

[slate sleet]

lol you are still going?

autism alert

[neat stratus]

About?

[primal mesa]

Dude really said he doesnt know how much people like us play and posted a 300 hour screen shot

[slate sleet]

what

[primal mesa]

Like dude my steam is at 150 hours last 2 weeks

Give it a few years and auric qp will be easy pz

[terse idol]

I mean

Wow actually

[slate sleet]

damn im a elder gamer

[terse idol]

Its just weird because auric damn is just

Wave control the gamemmode

Long as you keep moving its good

[primal mesa]

Smh niso the god wow so cool 😉

[terse idol]

FS adding in a cataclysm type mode

[slate sleet]

im such a giga gamer wowie

[primal mesa]

We have needed post damnation for a long time

[slate sleet]

keep in mind xboxers post in here

[terse idol]

Its the issue that the "we" here is the minority of players

[primal mesa]

Fuck xbox

[neat stratus]

2 weeks have 336 hours in them, playing 150 hours in that time calculates to about 0.44 of your day, or on average 10.56 hours a day
You're done

[slate sleet]

some guy was posting about his build being god tier with a full page of heresy wins

[terse idol]

Folks can barely make it out of 3's and 4's

[slate sleet]

very impressive stuff

[primal mesa]

Im luck i dont have to work

Im already retired at 24

[terse idol]

No way

[neat stratus]

How in the hell

[terse idol]

You taking VA?

[primal mesa]

Family's very wealthy

[neat stratus]

What did you do? Win the lottery?

[terse idol]

Oh

[neat stratus]

The genetic lottery at least

[terse idol]

Won the birth lottery

[primal mesa]

Yes thats how i can stream 10 hours a day for days on end lul

[neat stratus]

Imagine being born rich and never having any kind of struggle, I got envy

[terse idol]

In any case, yeah I mean hour flex is

[primal mesa]

I just play games man

[terse idol]

Kinda cring lmao,
Like yeah I got a job

You can have less knowledge with 1000 hours than someone who has 500

No use flexing hours

[umbral scaffold]

Who would win: working for your things or being born with money

[neat stratus]

Yep, gotta spend the time learning

[primal mesa]

Hard work is a scam

[terse idol]

Which is valid

[primal mesa]

No one values it

[terse idol]

[primal mesa]

Labors are treated like shit

But talented people who got to the top by luck are envyed

[terse idol]

Yeah its certainly why people are going on so many labour's strikes

Fucking nuts

[neat stratus]

Unironically being born with money ngl, not like you can't work anyways and when you find it you tend to make a crap ton of money anyways

[umbral scaffold]

It is, but what is that compared to no work?

[terse idol]

Well yeah

It is an achievement to get out of no money

Can't be understated

But uh, damn today's society tough

[neat stratus]

Financial status is passed down across generations

[umbral scaffold]

I think my mother makes like 10x the minimum wage here, not that it's very high to begin with

I wanted nothing to do with nepotism, so I'm here doing food delivery

[neat stratus]

Chances are if your great great grandparents were poor, you're also probably poor

[primal mesa]

All im saying is the dad who busts his ass to raise his standing a tiny bit no one cares about or looks up to but the celebrity who adds nothing gets worshiped and i hate it

[neat stratus]

At least you do something, really glad there's less nepotism

[primal mesa]

Hard work is a scam

The only people telling you to do it are like my fanily who make ten times what you do because you will do it for less

[umbral scaffold]

Some say work smart, not hard

[primal mesa]

Its just sad and makes me sad to think about

[umbral scaffold]

Why bust your ass as a mason hauling sacks of cement when you can do some professional gramming?

Learn to cold

[neat stratus]

Yep, college tends to lead to a more cushy job that pays better

[primal mesa]

Guy works hard to work no one appreciates it guy works hard to throw ball better everyone is a fan and loves it no one values work at all

[umbral scaffold]

But I think the real crime is conditions being bad enough that people don't lead a fulfilling life on the wages of garbage men, masons and other lower workers

[neat stratus]

I wouldnt say sports are an easy career, the risk of lifelong injury and the effort involved are pretty tough

[primal mesa]

It doesnt take more effort than any manual labor job

[umbral scaffold]

I can't feed a family on the wages of food delivery

[primal mesa]

The common worker is 100x more respectable

[neat stratus]

Thats fair, but to be in a pro sports team you have to be really good, among the best in the world depending on which it is

And yet you still provide less than the average worker

[umbral scaffold]

The wonders of entertainment

[neat stratus]

Course I won't deny that, but its not like they didnt have to do all that work to get where they are

[umbral scaffold]

I like to think people who worked a lot of jobs involved in their life get wise

You learn the struggles of the people who deliver your food or create the website you're using

[terse idol]

It does

[umbral scaffold]

When you can sympathize with people, it gets harder to just think fixing things is "that easy"

[terse idol]

It humbles people hopefully,
You certainly don't wanna be on YouTube or world star as a "Karen" because you've never worked a minimum wage job in your life

[neat stratus]

Absolutely

Main goal in life if you're poor is to get rich enough so that your kids can have a better life, and so on until your family is rich, which usually takes a hundred years or more
Main goal in life if you're rich is to not make an unfathomably dumb decision, but with the education you probably got that isn't likely

[umbral scaffold]

I learned to value education after I went to the army

[neat stratus]

yeah, hearing all the stuff about the army I'm glad I focused on my education

[umbral scaffold]

Realized my place wasn't in getting belittled by power-hungry idiots

And that even if I was to become one of them, my life would be so boring it might as well not exist

[terse idol]

I'm perhaps fortunate the army memes asking "why aren't people joining the army" when the army is full of people who don't realise the way they treat recruits and troops is the reason why people aren't reenlisting or joining

Its helping my decision not to join, and I'm in canada

[umbral scaffold]

Admittedly my biggest problem with the army is dumb people overriding you because they're older

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/petrochemical-crude-oil-power-plant-gif-18620113

[terse idol]

Rank too powerful

I do reminisce about folks, I mean I guess if you're gonna join the military industrial complex you don't want army you want airforce

You don't want marines

[neat stratus]

In pretty much all aspects of life, your social rank outweighs your intelligence

[umbral scaffold]

I remember the cold days of guard duty, chilling wind giving me a splitting headache while I had to stand for 2 hours each shift

[neat stratus]

especially not marines

[umbral scaffold]

And the twat officer saying using the hood we had on our uniform winter jacket was against dress code

[mellow sable]

But why

[umbral scaffold]

And that the gloves were against dress code too because they weren't full finger and olive green

Instead they dared be black and fingerless

[mellow sable]

Ughhh

That sucks

[umbral scaffold]

The gloves they did give us honestly sucked

[terse idol]

Military grade gloves let's goo

[umbral scaffold]

But in the end, muh dress code from the snob officer who was older

[terse idol]

Did you manage to get VA after?
My friend who was former marines got very lucky, diagnosed with bipolar disorder and then applied for VA

They get payed 2k a month now for the rest of their life

[umbral scaffold]

I don't know the lingo in English, but essentially I made the wise choice of telling the doctor I wanted to shoot myself and they discharged me

[terse idol]

Oh depression

[umbral scaffold]

Which basically means I committed a federal crime if I'm lying, but good luck proving it

It was that or getting arrested for skipping work

Funnily enough, boot camp was the best part for me

[stuck dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bober-kurwa-wombat-not-a-beaver-beaver-gif-8961649020872801915

[umbral scaffold]

A rifle, the wilderness and knee deep in shit

[neat stratus]

"Be as uncomfortable as possible"

I mean at least they're black so they can absorb more sunheat but damn

[regal belfry]

idk why but power sword feels first really good to use with power cycler lv4

[umbral scaffold]

I want them to give two charges at base and remove that blessing

[regal belfry]

or make it up to 6 charges

[umbral scaffold]

Ew no

[regal belfry]

2 base and with each lv of power cycler 1 more charge

what would you recommend as second blessing rampage or slaughterer

[terse idol]

For psword?

BM imo

[umbral scaffold]

I use slaughterer because I can't be assed to keep activating it for hordes

[frank ether]

If PC4 was baseline

[hollow ibex]

but activated is the only reason to use PS...

[frank ether]

I'd probably do like

[hollow ibex]

also gave graia braced a try... and not a fan

[frank ether]

BM+slaughterer

[hollow ibex]

much rather use agri braced or CIAG

[frank ether]

its better on zealot

[hollow ibex]

maybe, not a fan of having to brace for max rpm, and then when bracing, it feels like i'm using a shotgun unless i use exec stance

ig that means the gun's actually balanced, unlike CIAG

[frank ether]

always felt like extra rof should have been baseline on it

[hollow ibex]

also agri's stagger is just too good

[frank ether]

but its not the main problem of braced guns on veteran

[hollow ibex]

love the stagger on that

[fresh grail]

Okay need some input; for a support build would you rather take focus targets to 8 stacks (and have the redirect fire buff from 7.5% to 12% damage buff), or covering fire, mostly for the times your teammate gets trapped and you need to save his/her ass. Extra damage is nice though

i can't decide where to spend my last point 😩

[frank ether]

you just dont have much that synergizes with braced weapons

[fresh grail]

Either that or i take 8 stacks, i cant decide

[frank ether]

Graia gets really accurate on zealot

[fresh grail]

Is there a problem with them on Vet? they fit my playstyle extremely well at the moment

[terse idol]

Take 8 stacks

Imo you want, the best buffs to give

[frank ether]

there isnt a ''problem''

they just dont do anything special

[terse idol]

And focus target is more consistent than covering fire

[fresh grail]

fair enough

[fresh grail]

Yeah i've been trying out both and i can't really decide. Its not the damage buff thats the reason i take covering fire, it's for pubs mostly to help keep peoples toughness up

extra 3 stacks of redirect fire never hurts either

[umbral scaffold]

Brautos felt like IAGs for people who don't want to aim while not having a noticeably better hipfire to make up for it

I can hipfire and headshot shit at close range with IAGs, I feel like I have no use for brautos

[fresh grail]

if imma be hipfiring allgame might aswell take the higher damaging but less accurate gun

higher damage for magdumping hordes and just bodies in general

[nimble sentinel]

they have better ammo

[scarlet smelt]

How does Cleave Targets stat work? I don't know how to interpret the numbers

[fresh grail]

Also that. Can hold M1 with them the whole mission 💪

[frank ether]

I mean it does play a lot better on zealot with their talents

it also becomes very accurate with that dodge talent

likely more accurate than average iag user lol

[nimble sentinel]

I miss invincible agri brauto rambo vet

[fresh grail]

I treat them as different. Agri braced on my vet is a spray-and-pray infinite ammo machine, and on my zealot its an accurate crit monster

[scarlet smelt]

What do the numbers mean exactly

[umbral scaffold]

Enemies have mass values that get deducted from cleave

Once an enemy reduces it to 0, it stops

Poxwalkers, for example, are 1.5

If your heavy is more than 1x that and less than 2x, it will cleave two poxwalkers

[terse idol]

Well consider the 8 stacks also makes more damage

You get a higher damage buff, more damage on bosses

More toughness regain

[fresh grail]

from 20% to 32% mhmm

[devout comet]

I'd go with 8 stacks, people in 5 metres are pretty close and at that point they're probably in melee while 8 stacks would benefit the team more against bigger enemies and by proxy increase the damage of redirect fire (especially if you keep tagging before the bonus wears off)

[terse idol]

Yeah

12%

[fresh grail]

On paper it doesn't sound too good covering, but i've been trying it out the last few days and thats why i find it difficult to decide. Multiple times a game now i've had teammates trapped far away getting mauled on, but with Covering Fire i can keep their toughness maxxed out while i run towards them

But thats of course only useful in situations where you have teammates getting trapped, but that does happen in quickplay a lot

More testing to be done, that focus fire is too good

[devout comet]

What's your current build by any chance? maybe we can change round some less useful points to achieve both

[umbral scaffold]

Y'know

[fresh grail]

Good point, let me put it in the website real quick. i'll rather take both if its possible on my support build

[umbral scaffold]

I've magdumped netted people since the dawn of time and it never occurred to me to get covering fire

[fresh grail]

It's so noticeable

[exotic drum]

Lucius Mk.2 Helbore: Did I do good? Anything I can change or do better?

[fresh grail]

im pretty sure the toughness regen from covering fire doesnt have a cooldown (doesn't feel like it anyhow), so if someone got 5 weak enemies on them its free toughness

[umbral scaffold]

I think it might have a worse flak modifier, but as long as it hits breakpoints do whatever

[scarlet smelt]

Wait so cleave targets is a dump stat?

[umbral scaffold]

What, no

[scarlet smelt]

But it doesn't go above 2 (only at 100%)

for heavy attack

[umbral scaffold]

It lists only one of the heavies

Fatshark doesn't like information

[scarlet smelt]

oh I might be stupid that's the strikedown heavy

[umbral scaffold]

The horizontal heavy has more cleave than the lights

[devout comet]

Also does it apply to yourself? if it does it might be more useful than I first thought

[fresh grail]

It does not

but it does apply to all 3 teammates at the same time if they're close enough to 1 enemy

[devout comet]

;-;

[fresh grail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b2419a8-1d34-4f80-8948-888772e13cc1/vet-support-grenade heres the build i have, i need to scrounge a point away from somwhere but vet tree is too good, too many good skills

mostly torn between the 8 stacks and covering fire still

[umbral scaffold]

I'd get covering fire between the two

[tiny summit]

8 stacks is a pure "If I literally want nothing else"

[umbral scaffold]

3 stacks is nice, but having 5 already is really nice

[fresh grail]

I suppose thats one way of seeing it yeah

but in my brain i'm always like "well im already 3 points deep in the keystone, might aswell"

[tiny summit]

it isnt going to provide any meaningful change over the other 2 options. At least dont be like some people getting 8 stacks over the side nodes

[devout comet]

huh, wonder if covering fires effectiveness in your play throughs has also has anything to do with the increased aura

[umbral scaffold]

It buffs something you have, while the other adds a whole new thing you can use

[fresh grail]

True. 5 stacks is still a massive buff, maybe i want too much 😩

[scarlet smelt]

Nah it was probably because I forgot that devil claw 4 has strikedown as first heavy and didn’t check the other heavy

[regal belfry]

how good is powersword against crushers and maulers?

[fresh grail]

yes

its really good damage but it wont stagger them like a thunder hammer

[regal belfry]

noticed it has 0 stagger

[devout comet]

If I was to change anything it'd probably be demo team for the 8 stacks and maybe rending for ogryn/monstrosities damage (depending on the base guns rending)

[fresh grail]

rending i have mostly for the frag grenades

[tiny summit]

specifically PS6 excels against crushers and maulers due to its push attack

[fresh grail]

demo team could be a swap, its not really needed on a support build yeah. Might give that a go

[tiny summit]

but just swinging with both do work

[fresh grail]

light attack power up till they're dead 💪

though when you generate back like 50 grenades in a mission from Demo Team

[tiny summit]

nah fuck the team, more nades

[devout comet]

Yea demo should probably go as u have like 3 grenades so chances are you're always gonna have 2 prepared and 1 on cooldown if you use them often enough

[tiny summit]

I say as I take Born Leader and all the toughness replenish nodes

[fresh grail]

People who take born leader are the real MVP

[devout comet]

or just take competive urge instead

[umbral scaffold]

Born leader haters when I give them 5 toughness back

[tiny summit]

but demo team possibly giving me a full restock from the enemies that just died to grenades is an amazing feeling

[sonic marlin]

how to use shotguns effectively

[fresh grail]

i've not tried it out, but it sounds good on paper. 2.5% on any enemy kill by an ally is quite a high chance

[tiny summit]

hey man 3 toughness off a poxwalker headshot adds up when theres a lot of poxwalkers

[devout comet]

true although at the point why have grenade regen on top

[fresh grail]

always need more nades

[tiny summit]

more consistent in always having 1

[fresh grail]

i do more bleed damage than melee damage in auric games with that build

[devout comet]

fair fair

[tiny summit]

But I play Exe. Demo Team is usually my only nade regen

[sonic marlin]

best braced autogun?

[tiny summit]

pick your poison

[fresh grail]

they're all in a good spot atm, but my favorite is the agri. Fires the slowest but hits the hardest

[tiny summit]

agri makes the neurons fire with its chunky bullets (that do penetrate ogryns), columnus is solid, graia has fuller auto

[fresh grail]

graia braced when you actually brace with it 🤤

[tiny summit]

full auto and fuller auto

[devout comet]

dam is unbraced really that accurate?

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly, it was really unreliable

[fresh grail]

unbraced graia is a laserbeam for some reason

[fresh grail]

fair enough

[umbral scaffold]

Even in thick hordes it felt like it struggled to proc

Had a match where it activated twice

[tiny summit]

Yea competive urge to me is weird. It will proc but how much are you gonna see it AND make use of it when it procs? At least Demo Team has 5% of just giving back a nade to use whenever

[fresh grail]

mhmm, and a nade is just there to use. Doesn't go away like the 8 second buff

[tiny summit]

8s off a random poxwalker at 2.5% doesnt look right to me

[fresh grail]

but demo team is 5% on elite and special kill, and competitive urge is 2.5% on any allied kill. So i don't know how easy it is to compare them

But if people say it rarely procs i can believe them, its 1 in 40 enemies

[umbral scaffold]

Well, demo team will proc less but it also has good use and you can store it

[fresh grail]

Very true

[tiny summit]

I wound compare them to a degree off of the principle of chance to proc vs your ability to make use of it

[umbral scaffold]

You can't build around comp urge breakpoints and ideally your build already is in a good spot

[tiny summit]

game decides it procs off a pox horde with no specials around, I mean it proc'd but also its not doing much

[umbral scaffold]

Demo team giving you a grenade that can be used at any point of the game is a really nice bonus, if prone to RNG

[spice wadi]

I escaped the casino once I am never going back

[tiny summit]

considering auric enemy spam, 5% feels like a lot

[fresh grail]

when the game gives you back 3 nades from just 8 ogryns you feel like you've been treated right by the AI director for once

[umbral scaffold]

This is why I hated warpriest's fury in VT2

[fresh grail]

It do be a lot. Sometimes by the time i'm done throwing my 3rd frag i'll already have magically regenned two

[umbral scaffold]

Felt like I'd work overtime to proc it and then not use it because I worked overtime killing shit

[tiny summit]

at least zealot's blazing piety is 8s of a buff that happens off of any 25 enemies killed in 25m and stays up as long as something dies and/or you crit. That stays up when it procs. Comp Urge? I'll laugh if it procs off the single trapper that spawned or the last poxwalker of a horde

[tiny summit]

but you cant work overtime to proc it! Your team needs to work overtime

[devout comet]

I mean it says when ever an ally kills an enemy and it doesn't say anything about them needing to be near you

[tiny summit]

oh for VT2

[fresh grail]

It doesn't say in coherency radius, so if thats not needed that'll be nice

but an 8 second buff on a random trigger... yeah i can see more useful talent point to spend in between the 3 in that row

[tiny summit]

problem being is that its still a random moment with no consistency

[fresh grail]

Sounds like a talent that will get a touch-up in the future anyhow. Soon™️

[umbral scaffold]

One day

[devout comet]

Haven't tested it myself so I can't fully say for certain and understand the hesitancy

[umbral scaffold]

Like Vermintide is getting theirs

[tiny summit]

if it was like chance to proc off your teammate and as long as you killed an enemy or X enemies during its duration to add to it or refresh it, I could see more value

[umbral scaffold]

Cough

[tiny summit]

I mean its "Comp Urge" it should make you want to show off with a moment of power

[umbral scaffold]

I wish competitive urge was a tighter version of piety

Less lenient, but causing people to go on a murder spree to keep it flowing

Piety happens, comp urge should be forced

[tiny summit]

I think that would be a good change. Chance to proc but its on you to keep it going

[devout comet]

yea, maybe it starts off slow with like 2% increase but lasts for 15s and each hit or kill increases it's stats to the numbers currently listed on the passive

[fresh grail]

oh yeah, another bonus about having max 5 stacks of redirect fire; most people take 8 stacks max and the buffs stack if you have different max stacks but have two veterans with redirect fire

seems a bit busted, probably a bug

[sonic marlin]

oh cool, power cycler, on a mark 3 kek

do i take it?

its from melk

[fresh grail]

yes

melt it down for blessing

[sonic marlin]

would you look at that

[paper brook]

best perks for a chainsword?

[fresh grail]

i used to run extra cleave blessings with it a couple weeks back, but i've not had a proper go of one for a while.

Hopefully some actual chainsword enjoyers can give some input

[sonic marlin]

which melee is the best one that can make use of power cycler

[fresh grail]

mk6 is the laziest one. just spam light attack into hordes

charged up light attacks

https://tenor.com/view/power-of-grayskull-power-sword-sword-of-power-grayskull-spada-del-potere-gif-17721397

[sonic marlin]

default is 2 light attacks right

or 1

?

[fresh grail]

mk6 chain is 2, but the 3rd attack is decent two

[sonic marlin]

this is kinda ass

[fresh grail]

mk3?

[sonic marlin]

no, the power up thing every 4 hits

[fresh grail]

ahh right, if that isn't your shtick then don't use the powersword

[sonic marlin]

ive had this discussion a few times here, i hate melee in general unless i can just lightspam

[dire olive]

you'd love psyker

Melee is optional

[sonic marlin]

they told me that before

[fresh grail]

Honestly try powercycler 2 with mk6 sword then, its by far the laziest veteran weapon

just have to get the charge up in your combo, but no complicated heavy-light-block combos or some bs

[crude ermine]

Jesus Christ how do you play ogryn and go down 5 times and die twice as an ogryn with 3 wounds

Like bro you have a fucking melee

I used my god damn shovel more than he used his

[sonic marlin]

so far ive been using this, i might change tho, got nothing to spend on other than curios

[dire olive]

How do you struggle in melee as ogryn

just

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672/BE_QUIET.gif?ex=65b11c1d&is=659ea71d&hm=c6a0d7aeacc479811d1a1d44c165a13e116e8382aae5d8d733932400dbdc1a24&

[tiny summit]

sorry sah, soaking up the boolets so dey dun hit lil 'uns

[crude ermine]

He got chewed up by mobs

MOBS

[tiny summit]

oh

[crude ermine]

AND ONE SHOTGUN

[scarlet smelt]

If your devils claw dumps mobility isn’t it not much better in combat than a power sword if at all

[crude ermine]

Then got knocked off the edge by a plague ogryn because he refused to switch to his melee to block the charge and just kept shooting at it while crouched

[fresh grail]

mk4 devil claw is a good sword, i use powersword personally because it fits my playstyle. In the end the best melee weapon is the one that vibes with you the best, so thats why i always find it worth it to try out differen stuff. Can always go back to your old weapons

[stoic jetty]

On a Plasma Gun, are shattering impact or gloryhunter worth keeping?

[tiny summit]

only times I find myself mulched as a ogryn is when I have poor positioning when the director goes "oops all gunners"

[stoic jetty]

Hadron bricked me

[crude ermine]

I did a better fucking job killing the crushers than he did besides his ogrynheimer

[scarlet smelt]

Ogrynheimer

[sonic marlin]

only power sword can use power cycler right

[crude ermine]

Yes

[sonic marlin]

and mk6 is the strongest one?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[tiny summit]

if you dont have anything better its still gonna work. gloryhunter is still nice. shattering may not play out well when you only look at your dmg but may be nice for your team to eek out a lil extra dmg

[fresh grail]

if you want to be lazy in melee then ye

[sonic marlin]

and does it need some combos or is it just lightspam as i was told

[scarlet smelt]

Difficulty?

[fresh grail]

charge up, light spam

[sonic marlin]

yea that

[fresh grail]

block attack for a stab, good to get crusher heads

[stoic jetty]

I was leaning that way, going to replace shattering with Get's Hot. Still don't have Blaze Away 😦

[sonic marlin]

how would a perfect mk6 look

[fresh grail]

just power cycler and you're rolling tbh lol. It's a knife through hot butter

[crude ermine]

Auric

Damnation

[scarlet smelt]

I haven’t done auric damnation yet isn’t it literally just damnation but with some more modifiers

[sonic marlin]

this won't be fun

[scarlet smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny-oof-alright-alright-alright-gif-13749019

[fresh grail]

If you can run damnation consistently* you can run auric damnation, or at least give it a go

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[sonic marlin]

well there has to be the most desirable second blessing, and what about the perks

[fresh grail]

always hi int

[crude ermine]

And at that point you should have the skills of not dying to a group of trash mobs and knowing how to melee

[scarlet smelt]

Man fuck it I’ll graduate to auric damnation today with a recon lasgun and devils claw

I can parry crushers now

[fresh grail]

Brutal momentum is the current favoured, but theres a bunch that are good. I have Slaughterer on mine

as for perks, either unyielding, carapace (or extra crit or something) because everything else dies too quickly to benefit from a damage buff

[sonic marlin]

[scarlet smelt]

On a side note though how does Cleave Damage work then, if it gives numbers like 136%

[tiny summit]

yea aurics are just pretty much just damnation with Hunting Grounds/Hi Intensity at minimum

[devout comet]

ok rq why is the mark 4 devil sword considered better than the mark 7 when they're pretty similar with the mark 7 having a better light combo and just a reversed order for heavies?

[scarlet smelt]

Surely it doesn’t mean it deals more damage on a secondary target

[fresh grail]

Laziest moveset on the mk4

spam light for hordes, spam heavy for armour

[tiny summit]

theres value in keeping lights as sweeps and first heavy being a strikedown

[devout comet]

That's the thing, I find the mk 7 has the better horde moveset (although it has been a bit since I last played with it)

[sonic marlin]

i had a macro for mk4 light1 heavy 1 spam

works well

always horizontal hits

[fresh grail]

i've not tried the mk7 either in a while so i can't comment, but i do know the mk4 is just horizontal left right left right

need to slice them heads 😩

In any case all of the Mks of weapons are sidegrades rather than upgrades. So always find the weapon that fits your playstyle the best

[sonic marlin]

this is what i found about mk6

[fresh grail]

ye sounds good

no need to heavy ever. Powered up light attack does plenty 💪

[sonic marlin]

cool, now i just have to roll a decent one

[scarlet smelt]

For claw sword is it worthwhile to get it with +carapace damage specifically to fuck over crushers and maulers on parry

[sonic marlin]

@tall torrent you once told me the required stats for a decent Rashad, does power sword mk6 have something like that too? I just got power cycler 4, idk what else would be the best to put on

[scarlet smelt]

Or go unyielding for boss damage on anything but beast

[fallen tree]

I hope we get a bolt pistol soon

[umbral scaffold]

what does WS mean

[trim steppe]

Not really, mobility and cleave targets are the stats to take a hit, the others you want as high as possible (but I'm not aware of any super important break points). For the other blessing you want Brutal momentum or sunder, for perks carapace and then kinda whatever (maniac/unyielding/elite)

[tall torrent]

Power sword 6 doesn’t have nearly as many prerequisites to be good

It’s basically good out of the box

[umbral scaffold]

oh yea i forgot people on the internet will only answer you to correct you

WS must clearly mean wide sweep

[last parcel]

usually see it refer to weapon specialist keystone

[regal belfry]

how is sunder effective? i thought those had insane cleave already

[devout comet]

Huh, thought there'd be a pin for listed vet terms, what's the context?

[umbral scaffold]

this here

[umbral scaffold]

power swords cant cleave through carapace normally, sunder allows you to cleave through it

[regal belfry]

that makes sense

[devout comet]

Yea it's probably wide sweep aka heavy 1 I believe

[placid portal]

Sunder iirc staggers crushers reliably as well right? Or was it superchargw

[vernal harbor]

i promise you i know the ogryn youre talking about

[placid portal]

It's me

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

(jk)

[fresh grail]

WS means weapon special here

so in the context of the combo posted above.

Weapon special (power sword charge up), then 3 light attacks

[devout comet]

ah my bad

[fresh grail]

It isn't the most clear term

But yeah just means that

https://tenor.com/view/power-of-grayskull-power-sword-sword-of-power-grayskull-spada-del-potere-gif-17721397

Hmm, that old He-Man design with the iron cross looking kinda sus
Fits for the Warhammer theme in here suppose

[fallen tree]

get a catachan sword and parry 1v1 a demonhost

Its what I do

[crude ermine]

Very close to a good revolver

Not taking any chances

Slapping terrifying barrage on it just to eliminate that from the pool

[fresh grail]

WS means weapon special. I'll tag you too incase you missed the message

[low kelp]

Which shovel is the good one people are using, and which modifiers are good?

Never used shovel but got this one

[thorn lark]

what are the blessings perks you want on a hb mk2?

because the pin said surgical with onslaught but does it not fire too fast for it?

[sharp ember]

it will always have at least 1-2 stacks between charged shots, and there isn’t really a 3rd blessing good enough to actively seek as an alternative

[thorn lark]

i would have thought sustained fire and onslaught were a good pair

[tiny summit]

some additional crit while ADS which you are always going to do with a hb, is good especially with shock trooper. You can minimize the time reloading and the lack of other nice blessings. mk2 doesnt really need sustained to play around it, your headshots are gonna be 1 taps for the vast majority of targets and if not, most will die in a follow up shot

[sharp ember]

sustained fire is only gonna buff your 3rd and 4th? shot if firing in rapid succession

[thorn lark]

thanks!

[tiny summit]

yea, weird thing to keep in mind and I dont think the extra power is really all that needed, I guess you could see it do something when shooting at a crusher

also I would say onslaught is the real blessing that you can forgo on a decent stat roll mk2

but helbore doesnt have great blessings, so onslaught good

[thorn lark]

as for the perks?

[sharp ember]

definitely swap weakspot for maniac

[tiny summit]

defnitely maniac over weakspot

[thorn lark]

👍

[tiny summit]

shame about flak, kinda meh perk on helbores because the only head target that matters to eek out more dmg is scab ragers

[crude ermine]

Now for the moment of truth

[sharp ember]

but yeah Surgical is gonna give you more mileage over Sustained Fire, in both situations where you can pre-aim waiting for a shot, and when you're trying to unload your magazine into a Beast of Nurgle coming down the hall

since you just gotta crit enough to overtake 40% damage of a charged shot

[crude ermine]

Perfect

[flint lake]

Never felt onslaught was needed on the MK2. Prefer surgical and No Respite myself.

[crude ermine]

Now to remove the temp blessing and slap on maniac

[sharp ember]

that's true, it's better to have Surgical over Onslaught on mk2 if you take longer to aim than the speed at which it charges

partially the reason why I use a mk1

[tiny summit]

falter enjoyer

[umbral scaffold]

I actively avoid onslaught to build surgical stacks per max charge

[tiny summit]

just hold your fire?

[umbral scaffold]

Then why pick onslaught?

[tiny summit]

when you need it lol

being able to fire faster lmao or use mk2

[flint lake]

Honestly, unless I’m playing casually outside of auric damnation, I can’t stand las guns. Plasma, revolvers, and even the las pistol have just ruined every other option for me.

[umbral scaffold]

But I always want to have as many stacks of surgical when hitting max charge

[tiny summit]

lasguns good...except recon

[umbral scaffold]

Give helbore handcannon

[sharp ember]

laspistol is a lasgun, gotcha

[flint lake]

They’re good. You can achieve excellent results with the hellbore for sure. I just prefer being able to effectively snap shot enemies and rapidly swap to another target.

[crude ermine]

No

It's mine

My hand cannon

[umbral scaffold]

Fine

Then I'll have full bore

And it will work on bayonet hits

[crude ermine]

How in the fuck

[rotund wind]

trust in the emperor, with faith 10% crit is the same as 100%

[umbral scaffold]

Sigmar balls

[flint lake]

Real satisfying to kill a conga line of ragers with a single round fired from a revolver snapping back each of their heads.

[torn moat]

Is this worth crafting? If so, what should I change?

[celest vine]

Free surgical

[crude ermine]

Why does the emperor look like nearly like Jesus

I think it's the crown

[hollow ibex]

Take the surgical and run

[umbral scaffold]

Lore-accurate messiah of the monotheistic religion

[celest vine]

I love titanfall

[sharp ember]

legion gang

[umbral scaffold]

I found that power play was the game insulting you

[torn moat]

As in sacrific it for the blessing?

[umbral scaffold]

It treats literally anything else as more important

[celest vine]

Ion gang

[crude ermine]

Legion fans after I rip their fucking minigun off

[celest vine]

Legion shields when i laser

[flint lake]

3/4 with excellent stats should you swap out groaner for unarmored and Infernus for onslaught. I’d grab it just to take surgical regardless.

[umbral scaffold]

Nuke eject Ronins after I walk backward

[crude ermine]

Ronin gang

[torn moat]

Tier 2 perk is bad though...

[crude ermine]

Fuck you

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck you

[celest vine]

Monarch mains ignoring 3 enemy titans for the doom melee battery finisher

[crude ermine]

Wowww

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry that was rude of me and uncalled for

[crude ermine]

You're forgiven

[celest vine]

🌝

[umbral scaffold]

Thank you luna she they fr

[flint lake]

Try it without Onslaught then and if you enjoy the weapon’s rhythm you can go without.

[fresh grail]

pulls out the smart pistol Its gamer time

[crude ermine]

I just try to imitate the Boston fast boy from team fortress 2

Talking shotgun

Stim

Pistol

[sharp ember]

ejected pilots when i turn them into confetti with the spread power shot

[crude ermine]

And entirely blue

[umbral scaffold]

Jerma self-insert

[crude ermine]

Just pretend it's a shotgun

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[umbral scaffold]

Why do you not use raccoon wife skin

[crude ermine]

Racoon what

[umbral scaffold]

Okay wait

Why is it multijoueur

But jouer

[crude ermine]

Playrr

Play

[umbral scaffold]

Lame language

[celest vine]

Its joever

[crude ermine]

No Barack

We will never be Barak

[stiff merlin]

I just rolled a 379 shotgun which has 611 damage and my current is a 376 with 591. Is it worth?

[celest vine]

Boozin

[sharp ember]

too small of a difference to matter, the rolled perks and blessings will be more important

assuming they kill everything in the same amount of shots

[umbral scaffold]

We're so donald, gamers

[sharp ember]

which 99% chance they will

[stiff merlin]

I get this system, but I kind of hate it

[tiny summit]

mk2 and all helbores with onslaught?

[flint lake]

Mk2 doesn’t really need onslaught as much as the others

But yes, the entire hellbore family is effective in auric though I’d personally recommend the mk1

[stiff merlin]

I prefer the MkII, but only because I like the aesthetic and use of a spike bayonet, I don't really care slashing with a a knife bayonet

[torn moat]

MkI also has a thrust bayonet attack. The MkIII is the only one that uses the slash

[torn moat]

Damage isn't everything. It really depends on the other stats as well. That said, a difference of 3 is rarely worth upgrading (unless you are switching to a better stat distribution).

[stiff merlin]

How did this turn out?

[stiff merlin]

I figured, but I like having second opinions

I'd rather keep my 80% stopping power

I can replace the Supercharge with Supercharge III or Power Cycler III

[wraith locust]

back to the grind brother

[wispy hinge]

not very good, sorry

[tall torrent]

I don’t think that’ll impact ur 1 shot kill potential much

[terse idol]

Screen shot it

[twilit crane]

For the recon las gun, I have the shocktrooper talent, how would I build it so that my las gun can shoot for far longer?

[cerulean void]

headhunter + dumdum would probably be the go-to

recons sadly only have one crit modifying blessing

[torpid sundial]

Picking up the crit on dodge attacks talent is pretty good

[terse idol]

Yeah thats good

Could dump more stability but I'm a firm believer in perfect weapons having only 70's

And you got high damage so

[idle carbon]

figured I'd try out a tac axes, got this result on my melee vet first try
thoughts on the perks/blessings?

[finite imp]

my blessings are too strong for you traveller. You know not what you ASK

[thorn lark]

cara to maniac and deci to brutal momentum

[stiff merlin]

since I have some extra cash lying around

[terse idol]

[idle carbon]

good ole flak/maniac

[terse idol]

I dunno how to build a shotgun but

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-filter-gif-3550460

[terse idol]

Fulbore let's goo

[thorn lark]

terrrif to no respite

and carapace to either flak or maniac

probably flak

[nocturne mulch]

Just made this build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b1689f3-9542-49e1-bde4-928aff196248

It plays super well, but wondering if anyone has things they might change about it?

[terse idol]

im not at home rn but
Definetly replace the corruption resistance

Damnation corruption doesn't come up alot,
You want to get at minimum 2x gunner res,which is important so you don't turn into paper
And
At least 1x sniper res

Because that's what gonna help you if a sniper does connect

[nocturne mulch]

I personally never have trouble with gunners or snipers so don't need it. But I hate grims, BoN, and DH corruption so I like taking the resits

resist*

[terse idol]

I'd also personally recommend some stamina regen speed because vet has some of the lowest stam regen in the game instead of toughness regen

[terse idol]

Well like ahh, its future proofing, grims few people take them, BON corruption is

Very small

[nocturne mulch]

I always take grims

[terse idol]

And Daemon hosts, I mean you got another problem if you activate one

Urghh

Thats okay

Wouldnt do it personally

[nocturne mulch]

And other people activate DH

Even worse when it's someone who does it to kill the DH but they mess it up and die

I used to always take stam regen

[terse idol]

What changed its much better than toughness regen imo

[nocturne mulch]

Only times I run out of stamina is after I've been sprinting while moving in between engagements

I very rarely run out of stamina during a fight

[terse idol]

In melee it kiinda matters but that's fair

And I mean

[upbeat geyser]

Veteran Query, is 'Deadshot' good? Playing on heresy it seems like we spend a lot of time sprinting, I guess because people are trying to speedrun or sometimes because they want to rack up dps, it feels like I don't get much out of it. It destroys in training area but when you're trying to keep up with some zealot who's determined to outrun the team maybe the weak point perk is better? This might be a stop queuing with randoms problem

[cerulean void]

it can be good but to get any real use out of it you'll need at least two if not three stamina curios because the way it scales and Vet's already somewhat terrible stamina rates mean you need to build very into it to see it not gut the stamina economy

[flint garden]

it makes a pretty big difference on revolver

[upbeat geyser]

Sounds like I need the damage to weak spot then. I'm only recently 30 so my curios are kind of weak and are on toughness and health. I'm using the autogun

[cerulean void]

anything makes a big difference on revolver lol

[terse idol]

I'll try to dissuade you from picking corruption resistance because it's not corruption that's gonna be killing you, I mean if you're also picking up grims you might as well pick up grim resistance

Because corruption sources from enemies is small

Corruption source from grim is HUGE

[languid stump]

What are the lore implications of the rejects hotboxing the Mourningstar

[cerulean void]

Iunno but I'm hotboxing any and every elevator I walk into (I throw smokes)

[dense gyro]

is it just me or is vet made of tissue paper

[terse idol]

Stack max toughness curios

[stiff merlin]

I think the only real damage mitigation vet has is to not get hit. I feel like the vet's toughness talents are actually pretty good at keeping a high toughness percent to allow you to take 1-2 hits but the idea is to either not be in melee or to be a dodgey little karker

[terse idol]

😌

[upbeat geyser]

voice of command is pretty good

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR we can make toughness pretty well even for a weapon spec melee build

And infil literally just

Refills your stamina

[torpid sundial]

level 4 blessing that I dont even have to rebless into a level 2 feels so weird

it is done

[stiff merlin]

I don't have either of those

though, isn't fire shot infinite cleave?

[torpid sundial]

This is also for the normal shot so yeh

[torpid sundial]

I had to level a new character just to farm those two

I wonder how good the horde clear is with this

6 bleed and fire

[stiff merlin]

its a bit annoying that I hit 30 before they introduced that system.

[finite imp]

Hey kiddos. Knifemaxxer here. I hope everyone is having a good fucking Saturday evening. Stay hydrated and stay STABBING

[stiff merlin]

on my vet*

[torpid sundial]

Thankfully my zealot was 15

So I could get a low rating shotgun there

[finite imp]

So young to be doing a job like this

[torpid sundial]

Tis the life of a person born in 40k

[zealous wyvern]

you are never too young to die for the Emperor

reminds me of that crashed mutant vessel right into the ventilation of the vat halls

[finite imp]

Our leftenent for the 491st regiment was awarded the rank at just 6 months old after being the only survivor of an attack on a convoy

[latent pond]

whats the top 3 meta range and melee rn for vet?

[torpid sundial]

Wonder if I can spray it at a horde from afar and kill it before it touches me with two crits

[finite imp]

Some babies his age couldn't cut it but Leftenent baby face rose to the occasion

[zealous wyvern]

knife

[finite imp]

Knife

[latent pond]

knife always goat

[torpid sundial]

Recon, autopistol, boltgun

[finite imp]

Knife

[torpid sundial]

[latent pond]

other than reigning goats

[zealous wyvern]

then swap to zealot so you can throw them too

there is your melee and ranged meta

[latent pond]

haha saw that today and thought the same

[finite imp]

What more on earth could you possibly need. The knife brings love the knife sparks joy

[zealous wyvern]

keep in mind to buy the cadian armour so you are a veteran anyway

zealots can be guardsmen too

[finite imp]

The knife cleans game the knife cuts tinder the knife slays your enemies

[zealous wyvern]

with the right fashion

[finite imp]

The knife is the roof above your head and the bed beneath your bosom

My entire house is made of knives

Ouch

[serene sage]

Don't put the bolt in the same category with recon and shredder lmao

[finite imp]

I just read this

Jesus

[zealous wyvern]

typing on a keyboard of knives

[torpid sundial]

Okay but I can’t find something better

The rest are honestly pretty okay

[zealous wyvern]

a poetic expression of your love

[finite imp]

I don't use cream key switches o use cherry red lubed mx knives

rapid finger tip stabbing sounds

[zealous wyvern]

impressive

[torpid sundial]

Like all the autoguns are fine, heck even autopistol is usable

Only recon is in a shit spot

[finite imp]

It's really hard to pick a bad gun with vet tbh

Even the shit ones are still "useable"

[torpid sundial]

Infantry lasgun is just that

[latent pond]

yeah my experience too

[torpid sundial]

Solid all rounder

[latent pond]

support vet makes good teams that win games lol

[finite imp]

You want my preference? Revolver

Problem with revolver is?

[cerulean void]

it's overtuned

[finite imp]

If you can't hit your shots it sucks

[latent pond]

wairing to get one over 400

waiting

[finite imp]

People who can shoot think it's OP

[sharp ember]

that’s why revolver shoots massive log bullets

for easier hitboxes

[latent pond]

i one deaged my way though pcomps in counter syrike 1.6 guys i think i can revolver

[torpid sundial]

Slow the reload even further, nerf the rending blessing a little bit

[latent pond]

https://tenor.com/view/bell-ring-flex-baywatch-the-rock-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-gif-13186587

[finite imp]

You're sacraficing literally every other stat for damage. I better get my fucking damage

[zealous wyvern]

revolver has a massive hitbox. im bad at shooting. it IS overtuned

[finite imp]

Anecdotal evidence throw it out

[zealous wyvern]

even i can hit literally any shot with that thing

[finite imp]

Your modesty is appreciated

[torpid sundial]

I dont think any gun should be able to kill a crusher within 0.5 seconds

[zealous wyvern]

its a TUNNEL of dmg. not a bullet

stop

[latent pond]

can you hit my ass with it?

[zealous wyvern]

if youre my ogryn teammate i already have

[finite imp]

Not even a bolter???

[latent pond]

what else can u hit my ass with

[zealous wyvern]

and the 5 ragers behind you

[latent pond]

https://tenor.com/view/peepogiggle-gif-4018305763991603335

[zealous wyvern]

lasguns

autoguns

bolters

[torpid sundial]

I mean for bolter you do have to unload more than half your clip

[finite imp]

I don't think the revolver is overtuned. But it SHOULDNT DO MORE DAMAGE THAN A BOLTER

[zealous wyvern]

laspistols

[torpid sundial]

So its fair

[latent pond]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-homer-simpsons-hide-disappear-gif-16799752

[zealous wyvern]

mortars

heavy bolters

[finite imp]

A BOLTER FIRES A 2 STAGE .75 CALIBER EXPLOSIVE ROUND

[zealous wyvern]

heavy lasguns too

[torpid sundial]

Also honestly

[latent pond]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-good-day-sir-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-you-lost-you-miss-nervous-gif-21443353

[torpid sundial]

Why does revolver even have cleave

[finite imp]

THAT IS MUCH FUCKING BIGGER THAN THE REVOVLER ROUNDS

[zealous wyvern]

baneblades

[latent pond]

beyblades

[zealous wyvern]

heavy stubbers

[finite imp]

It makes ZERO sense for a bolter to do less damage per hit

[torpid sundial]

Revolver’s shooting better bolter rounds than the bolter