veteran-class

[icy orchid]

bolter sucks so much

[gusty bison]

Ok

[celest vine]

It legitimately is

[gusty bison]

Bolter has better BPs than MG1a

Has a way to guarantee crits

Has better stability

[celest vine]

And the MG1A is so much more versatile

[gusty bison]

in what way

[celest vine]

Its good against everything without wasting ammo

[gusty bison]

...

[celest vine]

Can clear hordes at range

Shooters? One shot

[gusty bison]

Bolter doesnt waste ammo

Lol

[celest vine]

Stalkers dont worry anout it

[gusty bison]

Like

Wtf r u doing with a bolter

Magdumping a single rager?

[old quail]

what kind of hordes are we shooting with an mg1a

[gusty bison]

Also this

Wtf is "shooting hordes at range"

[celest vine]

It one hit headshots dreg ragers so

[icy orchid]

better question, what difficulty do you play grawr

[gusty bison]

Auric Damn

Which is also where the iLas sucks the most

[celest vine]

Every horde short ogryns

[gusty bison]

Cos its where its weaknesses show up the most

[celest vine]

And maukers

[old quail]

[icy orchid]

the hell kinda playstyle do you have that you're using bolter in auric

[celest vine]

I dont use ammo its not an issue

[gusty bison]

iLas but more aggressive

[old quail]

its not even the ammo issue shooting a horde of poxwalkers with an infantry lasgun sounds like a gigantic waste of time

[gusty bison]

Cos bolter can be more aggressive since it has better dodges

[gusty bison]

This

[wanton dawn]

You can play "off meta" in auric

[vernal harbor]

me and another had our timer run out from beind trapped/hanging off a ledge with the other two nearby and they just chose to not help us and after we died they got downed in a fight a couple moments later first non-auric mission in a while

[celest vine]

If theres no HVTs its not

[gusty bison]

It is

[old quail]

u have a melee weapon

[gusty bison]

Cos u just run up

And melee the hordr

[old quail]

i would rather do knive heavies into a horde than use infantry lasgun

like if u wanna pull guys and u shoot em a couple times to aggro yeah but ur like

not doing anywhere near worthwhile horde dps

[celest vine]

One kill per shot its valueable

[wanton dawn]

Id rather not play than use infantry lasgun

[gusty bison]

...

[vernal harbor]

sadly i agree

[old quail]

i respect it

live ur truth

[vernal harbor]

lasgun is fun/good in low diff

high diff no way in hell

[celest vine]

I kick ass with it in high difficulty

[wanton dawn]

Lasgun are not bad. I just hate it

[nimble sentinel]

yo nurgle got in my ears irl and I was out of the game for too long, what's the meta on these baddies and how bricked is this one?

[celest vine]

You can harvest bloodletter

[icy orchid]

meta is back to powerswords

[celest vine]

Cause chainsword cleave absolutely needed a nerf

[gusty bison]

Meta is knife, shovel, dclaw and psword atm

But chsword is fine

Actually all melees on vet are fine

[nimble sentinel]

I ain't usin a poopsword

[gusty bison]

More than fine

[untold mulch]

I sure love

the Ogryn taking literally any mag he found

[gaunt hinge]

i should try running a tac axe sometime

[untold mulch]

like even in white ammo when rest was yellow or orange

[gaunt hinge]

whats the best taccie

[untold mulch]

Ogryn damage in the score 43

[gusty bison]

Only way he can attempt to top frag

Lol

[untold mulch]

Mf was missing 90% of shots

Just blidnly shooting

[gusty bison]

Hence attempt

[celest vine]

Perfect aim

[icy orchid]

depends on if you want hoardclear or singletarget

[untold mulch]

What an idiot jesus christ

The vet was in orange and this moron was picking any ammo

actually got me angry at the absolute stupidity

[celest vine]

Shovel meta

[untold mulch]

fair

[untold mulch]

Can't miss if you don't know what you shooting at

[celest vine]

Hey hes the best marksman since Nork Deddog

[nimble sentinel]

white death, meet black life

[untold mulch]

Fr fr

[nimble sentinel]

this actually feels kinda racist without context

[bitter turtle]

no rashad

wut

[gusty bison]

Oh fk

I foegot

Lel

[bitter turtle]

was gonna say

if you're telling me

knife is better than rashad

[gaunt hinge]

whats a good horde clear tac axe

[bitter turtle]

then i have questions

[celest vine]

Frag grenades

[icy orchid]

achlys is decent at it

but yeah, just drop a frag first

[celest vine]

You gotta know how to build your three weapons around eachother

[muted knot]

I'm gonna build a Rashad today

[gusty bison]

Good luck

Rashads are tricky

[muted knot]

And noone only hadron can stop me

Well I just need 80 on all damage stats and flak and unarmored right ?

Oh an brutal momentum

[gusty bison]

Iirc yes

[celest vine]

I need more variety in melee

I want to roll a 0% damage stat powersword and laspistol

[languid terrace]

Melta in Rogue Trader looks awesome

[untold mulch]

Sadly stats are meh

but visual is very good yeah

[celest vine]

I hope fatshark doesnt forget about the Cult of admonition

[languid terrace]

If it looks good, we will make it work. No matter how sucks it is.

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[celest vine]

Theyres no characters for them

The 6th have a few named characters tho

[gaunt hinge]

theyre on their scab arc

wheres my scab emoji

[languid terrace]

And the demon thing from the underhive that drag wormwood No.1 away.

[celest vine]

They need to set up their Dreg arc

Also daemons cant spawn without a sorcerer

[muted knot]

Wasn't that a DH ?

[celest vine]

Or a warpgate

Dreg sorcerer character could exist

[gaunt hinge]

mobian psyker

[celest vine]

I refuse to believe captain wolfer bowed down to a normal dreg shotgunner in the opening cinematic

[languid terrace]

Wormwood No.1 said that it was lurking and hunting people, daemonhost just nap on the ground.

[celest vine]

[gaunt hinge]

maybe she woke it up

[celest vine]

I took that as the karnak twins

[languid terrace]

Then she stupid and deserve to be dragged away.

[celest vine]

Imagine its just a plauge toad or some goofy shit like that

[gaunt hinge]

no flavor without sport

[gaunt hinge]

wrymwood agents are being hunted by crab

[celest vine]

Introducing the next chaos god Tzeentch

[vernal harbor]

i feel that

[rancid ginkgo]

boltgun god roll

[untold mulch]

They forgor to add the explosive charge

[celest vine]

Someone got some chem dog costmetics when fatshark made them available for 20 minutes

(It wasnt me)

[cursive nebula]

So it's definitely chem dogs next week

[celest vine]

No

This was 2 months ago

[gaunt hinge]

true

[celest vine]

I used to think 40k was a setting that existed for artists to make cool paintings of battles

[vernal harbor]

the mistakes fatshark make baffles me

[celest vine]

Remember when they made a bug that spawned more flamers than intended?

[vernal harbor]

chem dog early release, special assignment bug, zola's journal on the 18th but says 24th

[vernal harbor]

several times the game was unplayable and we just had to wait until next schedule patch

fire was insta-kill after the patch that specifically was to fix fire damage from doing too much

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-gif-15112361227290036695

[untold mulch]

Playtesting will not be done deal with it

Fatshark has a fucking bad habit

of sneaking into the code last minute changes

without communication to the people they have TO MAKE SURE ITS OKAY

[wanton dawn]

Remember when vet took 200% melee damage back in beta ?

[untold mulch]

What the fuck is htat clownshow I swear

their offices must be a nightmare to work with I assume because this reeks of shitty management

[wanton dawn]

Remember when infernus recon was the best weapon ?

[untold mulch]

I remember

[delicate estuary]

good days

[delicate estuary]

no

[untold mulch]

Melting bosses in a mag

[untold mulch]

Infernus didn't had a cap

VId + Infernus

Boss deletus

[wanton dawn]

Remember the previous name of exec stance ?

[untold mulch]

Volley Fire?

Isn't taht the base name without upgrades?

post p13

[gaunt hinge]

heehee we do a little crit string reduction by 50% and nerf shocktrooper effectiveness on crit strings by 50%

[wanton dawn]

Ayy, guess I haven't used low level vet in a LOOOONNNG while

[untold mulch]

we are such goofers

Also lets not write those in any place

[celest vine]

Fatshart leaving out all the vet perk changes with the keystone update

[untold mulch]

Is terrible they keep doing it

[vernal harbor]

Demolition team nerf

https://tenor.com/view/crematoria-riddick-heat-fire-gif-9475352

[untold mulch]

they fear the ogryn nuke

[untold mulch]

Okay foir the old cgi, that feels so gruesome holy shit

[celest vine]

Krak grenade nerf

[wanton dawn]

Smoke grenade nerf

[vernal harbor]

When I only play veteran, didn’t interact with the community and find out I just didn’t have keystones when every other class did

[untold mulch]

I only really use Tag and because my latest builds allow the points for it

Weapon Spec tries too hard to make it only worth for 2-3 guns

Marksman Focus I still stand is a shit design

[celest vine]

Then they keystones turn out to be mid

[vernal harbor]

“or some shit” when I didn’t even bother reading the weapon specialist paragraphs

[gaunt hinge]

just swap the keystone to higher zoom

[untold mulch]

Bonus is good for the melee

The ranged buff for some fucking reason only applies to first crit

[vernal harbor]

or some shit

[untold mulch]

if it were 30ish+ crit for 5 seconds

nice

but no

you end up with 330% crit for a single shot

We warframe now

when my red crits

[vernal harbor]

I just assumed fatshark was incapable of managing those specific parameters

[untold mulch]

Pretty sure I read is copypasting a talent of VT2?

[gaunt hinge]

fatshark is just really bad at writing tooltips

they suck

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/soul-leaving-body-knockout-punch-skeleton-angry-gif-25790296

[untold mulch]

KEK

I still stand speaks volumes of the quality of their design team

that hte marksman talent, is better with magdump weapons

and their close quarters talent is better with single shot precise weapons

Brain not braining for the designers are they?

[vernal harbor]

Close damage, close range damage, ambiguous to whether it’s a team buff or individual buff, rending burn body part armor range of aura/aura doesn’t mean coherency range ect

[untold mulch]

small indie studio please understand /s

[untold mulch]

I am cracking up everytime I see that gif, saved

[vernal harbor]

It’s 100% some management position meddling with shit because they think they know better

[untold mulch]

For absolutely sure

[vernal harbor]

Like someone said it’s probably good, then someone just adds or changes stuff because they know best at the last second

[untold mulch]

The quality of the shit that gets done by them

is undeniable

So devs are good

[delicate estuary]

ugh this is so annoying

why did they make the hard mode twins

[untold mulch]

Exactly

Good old new gaming companies

Management that are two morons with pens up their noses

thinking they are so very smart

[untold mulch]

?

[delicate estuary]

why did they make hard mode twins be a special thing with a fucking bell

just let

me queue

with others that want to run it

[untold mulch]

Oh yeah thats dumb

[vernal harbor]

Use the lfg in discord

[untold mulch]

The bell thing should have been an unlock for a new selection

[vernal harbor]

People always running it

[delicate estuary]

thats not the point

I dont want to sit in VC with a bunch of randos

why should I have to do that

[untold mulch]

Do bell , finish mission

Unlock HARD MODE

easy

but they have to gotta reinvent the wheel

[vernal harbor]

You just gotta do bell once

[untold mulch]

and make it square

[vernal harbor]

I thought

[delicate estuary]

no

all 4 have

[sharp ember]

I was a freak that asked in the pregame lobby if anyone wanted to do HM too.

[untold mulch]

My complain is mostly, in random, maybe not everyone in the team wants Hard mode

a queue would fix that

[vernal harbor]

I just instantly avoided it

[untold mulch]

but Fatshark reinvented the wheel and made it square

[vernal harbor]

Can’t even tell the difference in insignia

Bad reward

[delicate estuary]

that would work IF FS wouldnt load you into an ongoing game

holy fuck

you know what fuck hard mode

waste of my time

[sharp ember]

if i didn’t get a majority reply “yes” or if i just knew the team wasn’t prepped for it i dipped

ahh yeah somehow i only joined in progress once

has anyone ever won hard mode with 3+ vets

[delicate estuary]

like who on their design team thought it was a good idea to add a more "prestigious" option for the twin fight

and thought

well

lets make it so all 4 have to agree so it has to be premades only

the entire challenge is to do it with pubs

[vernal harbor]

Crazy how it’s not really even a skill issue, it’s just making you pick a different class

[barren cave]

4 focus targets

does that stack

nope

[untold mulch]

nope

[barren cave]

well, two vets, two ogryns would be nice

[sharp ember]

i won with 2 vets 1 ogryn 1 zealot

and the ogryn and zealot were our anchors because they could sustain toughness while holding onto the bosses

[gaunt hinge]

only one person needs to have completed hard mode for the bell to be enabled

failing a hard mode run does not count as being finished

[delicate estuary]

and then I have to be the schizo to ask people if they want to do iton every lobby

and if not just dip

should have just added as an option to queue for

[sharp ember]

Me and the other vet were fighting for our lives to clear gas mines and kill elites+specials

but by the Emperor we made it work

I had a newfound respect for devil claw parry that day when a spawndoor opened on me with multiple ragers + maulers

[gaunt hinge]

if you just run at rinda with a devil claw and parry all her attacks

[untold mulch]

Average vet with +9stam and Dclaw would 1v1 Horus

[vernal harbor]

Dropping hard mode entirely when the director was like “🤭 I won?” After 6 crushers, three times back to back and you literally couldn’t even see the arena there were so many

[sharp ember]

parrying all 4 swords of a swarmlord

[gaunt hinge]

https://youtu.be/KnLdy6fyqVQ?t=184

[untold mulch]

Get parried

[sharp ember]

parrying rinda is funny as hell

i took +6 stam and greeded a toughness curio

pushed my luck when i got enveloped in a melee elite horde but it was barely enough

[gaunt hinge]

un-enveloped ezpz

[muted knot]

dont know anything about tac axe, how is that ?

[finite imp]

its an axe alright. penetration would not be my dump stat

[muted knot]

also is this rashad useable ?

[finite imp]

yes.

[muted knot]

which of the belssingsis better ?

[muted knot]

finesse not too bad?

[torpid sundial]

everything but man-stopper

lord help me

I hate you hadron

[finite imp]

mobility is below 50 and you're going to suffer

[wise fossil]

Decimator far better

[finite imp]

finesse is fine

i just wouldnt have even upgraded something under 360

[thick wolf]

ow

[finite imp]

it's good and salvagable

unyeilding is fine

deathspitter is literally meta

especially on a graia

with assault rifles just remember your D's

dum dum and deathspitter

fire frenzy also good

[torpid sundial]

knife is too sweaty for me I'm going back to chainsword my beloved

it is fun and strong though

[vernal harbor]

knife players seeing you stab an enemy in the face “not like that.”

[muted knot]

how about this ?

[inland orchid]

69 mobility? Nice

[thick wolf]

maybe, but those stats

[hushed nexus]

[thick wolf]

tho I'm assuming stability doesn't matter much in a graia braced gun

[untold mulch]

thats a very good roll that Hadron is probablly gonna kill from you

[hushed nexus]

[finite imp]

good axe

[finite imp]

mobility and stability are not really needed on a gun like a Grauto

you're already a slow bullet hose

[thick wolf]

stats are better, but that level 1 blessing needs to go brunt

[thick wolf]

speaking of dumdums, le big E gave me this

[hushed nexus]

Splendid

[untold mulch]

Thousand sacrifices for this result

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

[thick wolf]

holy shit full damage, cleave and finesse

[forest breach]

me want

[thick wolf]

how the fuck

[hushed nexus]

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

Reaction on chat rn

[forest breach]

[barren cave]

@inland orchid

[inland orchid]

2 red nodes? Nice

I usually rock a big ol support vet with mostly middle tree

[fresh grail]

fuck it we ball, take all 3

[barren cave]

I wish I could afford agile engagement

but I have no problems with this build rn

columnus and dclaw/psword

[fresh grail]

veteran is very versatile, the most difficult thing is making a build that fits you the best. too many good talents to pick from 😩

[wary galleon]

Now for the last one

[barren cave]

plus all my vet builds avoid the keystones, dont need em tbh

[torpid sundial]

I just like the right keystone the most

just for the melee attack speed

[barren cave]

I have trench fighter drill for that

then I just grab some other juicy talents

[inland orchid]

Hell ya serge, vet’s like a Swiss Army knife of a operator

So many potential builds

[barren cave]

vet keystones always make me feel like Im missing out on other things for no reason

so I dont take em

[fresh grail]

to each their own. All my builds have focus target because i habitually target dangerous enemies anyway, so might aswell

[torpid sundial]

HOLY SHIT

FINALLY

that took about 12 white to blues

[untold mulch]

I am learning to love the tag one, but is the only one I really vibne with

And no "tax" because I get for pretty much every build the rending strikes

[torpid sundial]

probably 15 or so actually

[untold mulch]

[torpid sundial]

Now I can build ranged dps shotgun

[untold mulch]

I don't even carea bout the damage buff

the toughness regen

[barren cave]

redirect fire is also good

[untold mulch]

yeah a basical perma buff

but the toughness regen is very good

the fact that I don't even need to kill it

Just tag shit and as long as someone deals with it, everyone will get that regen

good keystone with that in mind

The other 2 I still stand in poorly designed

[thick rose]

darktide downloaed 560mb?

[zealous wyvern]

apple bottom fatigues
puttes with the fur

the whole ship is looking at her

[hushed nexus]

what a day????

[harsh ravine]

oh that’s beautiful

[fresh grail]

Bossus Deletus

[thick wolf]

oh look, another prison shiv

[zealous wyvern]

58 charge rate

bad gun

bricked

thank you for nothing brunt

[inland orchid]

Not a perfect gun? Might as well melt it down for plasteel

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[torpid sundial]

I WISH you could melt things down into plasteel

God

[fresh grail]

in a future patch, i hope we can melt down weapons for mats.
I pray

[torpid sundial]

Yeah FS will let us melt it into diam

[fresh grail]

I'm expecting them to add more ways to spend diamantine, i'm still picking it up

it'll be useful in the future i promise

[torpid sundial]

As am I

No need to cope it will happen

[thick rose]

theyll remove diam and add a new currency and offer a really bad echange rate to bring long time players back to earth

[torpid sundial]

Because if it doesn’t then they’re a tragically failed company and the game’s going to fall over anyways

[thick rose]

I wonder if they are majority onto a sequel now.

[torpid sundial]

When’s the next patch anyways

Or are they gonna leave darktide into the dust

[zealous wyvern]

they are on holiday

xmas

[thick rose]

they arent school teachers

holidays are over

[zealous wyvern]

they disagree

[thick rose]

how the fuck do you know?

[zealous wyvern]

was the same last year

besides they are swedish

sweden has a lot more going on for holidays around xmas

good for them i say

theyll be back soon

i think it was february

[torpid sundial]

A couple more weeks

[zealous wyvern]

one

[torpid sundial]

I mean I’m assuming they need a few weeks to work stuff out before pushing a patch

If they start in feb

[zealous wyvern]

oh i see

well there has been a hotfix this month and tweets

maybe some are already back

i just remember nothing releasing during this time a year ago either

idk if they actually start working soon or if they did already

[muted knot]

what do we do here gamers ?

[bitter turtle]

Shred to headtaker

[muted knot]

perks ?

flak? for infested ?

[bitter turtle]

Idk probably maniac or flak or something

[torpid sundial]

finally melee only damnation

Time to try helbore 3

in no ammo pickups maelstrom

I'm 95% certain I can sustain my ammo the entire game

[celest vine]

Shock trooper and scavanger

You wont use ammo

At all

[thick wolf]

heresy maelstrom I-III is no goddamn joke

[fresh grail]

replace that wrath with power cycler and you're ballin'

and the groaners, poxwalkers ofc

[wicked zenith]

I wish Fatshark would allow us to spend like 1k-3k datamine to up the base item level (even if it is random) this is rather close perfect stat distrubtion.

1-3k for 1 point would give us a sink at least

[thick wolf]

can't wait for hadron to brick this one lol

[wicked zenith]

Honestly, with the Autoguns, I try to find a 75% + Damage and stopping, and a 4 pip to reduce the number of bricks

No luck in 1k hours for a standard autogun

I've had some luck with a burst and a braced however

[finite imp]

it's amazing to me how many times this gets suggested a day by the ENTIRE community and fatshark just sits there lol

i have never seen a game dev company ignore the community so hard

[fresh grail]

The community managers are quite active IMO, and do give the overal feedback back to the people that need to hear it within the company

Maybe my standards are different, but compared to other companies i find it alright

Now whether those suggestions actually get taken into account or just thrown to the side is another matter, but the CMs are active at least.

[thick rose]

thats like a forest tree that falls unseen

[finite imp]

Good thing I wasn't talking about the community managers then

[spark helm]

Considering what the progression system actually accomplishes, I doubt the dev team is the one with the final say on that specifically.

[radiant chasm]

Maybe they have something else in mind or that specific part of crafting is hard coded

[balmy flume]

Well I did the thing.
I actually paid for a cosmetic.
That scion helmet too good to pass up

[radiant chasm]

1-3k conversion rate for a 1 point dump would just get people mad

[abstract moth]

I asked a question to one of them once, never got answered, it was even a matter of saying yes or no

[radiant chasm]

Probably overwhelmed/lost in the sauce

[finite imp]

Regardless of whose say it is, it has been completely ignored.

[spark helm]

But this is raw speculation. I know next to zero about how the developer side of things act in relation to whatever other shit they'd be expected to not touch passed a certain point. Hardly understand the process as is so /shrug.

[radiant chasm]

I got a response back over a weekend about how the servers work and why we don’t need maintenance server restarts

[abstract moth]

I private messaged them

[finite imp]

i'd imagine they just roll

[finite imp]

No he means they're too busy doing cocaine and crystal methamphetamine to answer you.

[abstract moth]

Ahh okay

[finite imp]

CM stands for Coke and Meth

[radiant chasm]

Considering the things they have done and improved on and putting on a random diamantine dump doesnt sound that high prio

[radiant chasm]

Yea that doesnt work

[finite imp]

There are a TON of things they could be doing that are LITERALLY already in the games code and they haven't even addressed it or touched it

[radiant chasm]

They get a pile of dms, best to @ them on the server when they are active

[finite imp]

Just break the rules then you'll get their attention

[radiant chasm]

Just cause it is in the code doesnt mean it is release ready

[thick rose]

I never understood why anyone would stand up for devs

at best you say nothing because you dont know

[abstract moth]

I mean I only sent one and was quite polite in it

[radiant chasm]

I dont like to lie and dramatize

[thick rose]

such a gross ferrit mentality for a human

[finite imp]

Took a couple of modders a month to make the weapon modding thing not only work but work well

[radiant chasm]

They get likely hundreds of messages in their dm daily

[radiant chasm]

See this just shows you are braindead and have no idea how game development works

Okay so what does the mod not have

[finite imp]

"I don't like to dramatize"

Chill out bro

[thick rose]

ez block

[finite imp]

I have done nothing but speak facts

[radiant chasm]

Statistical balance, acquisition, progression, economic price

[radiant chasm]

It aint drama

[finite imp]

You're the one flinging insults at me lol

[radiant chasm]

You ain’t speaking nothin but faux passages

[finite imp]

I haven't attacked you or your character

[radiant chasm]

You deserve it tbh

[abstract moth]

I'm not so sure hundreds but I guess

[finite imp]

Wow look at this guy lol

[thick rose]

people want to speculate about stuff they find frustrating. what on earth is your motivation to push back on that?

[radiant chasm]

I hate having to correct people over wcm

[finite imp]

Then don't

[radiant chasm]

WCM is cool

Amazing fun mod

[shrewd sierra]

Wtf is WCM

[radiant chasm]

But that is miles in a different direction then what it would take for weapon customization rework to be added to darktide

[finite imp]

Weapons Customization mod

[finite imp]

Go on

[radiant chasm]

Devs are slow and released and unfinished product

They arent purposely ignoring you

[thick rose]

nobody says they are

[shrewd sierra]

Yeah clearly being able to put scopes on guns is just so CRAZY DIFFICULT that a few modders are able to do while Fatshark can't.
Makes total sense.

[finite imp]

???

[thick rose]

just that you lickboots

[radiant chasm]

Or the community, theyve done a pile of changes based on community output

[umbral scaffold]

Tons of stuff they can do in the code but can't, for a large number of reasons

[torpid sundial]

yknow what not bad

[umbral scaffold]

And not all of them are because they can't work on it

[finite imp]

I want the devs to treat YOU better and you're sitting here insulting me? lmao

[torpid sundial]

two voidstrike users and a hammer zealot

[finite imp]

Okay dude

[umbral scaffold]

Some of it is just cos they're not allowed to or can't

[radiant chasm]

I have a pile of fatshark/fartshart complaints go look in my history

[radiant chasm]

God i forget vet chat is like this lmao

[finite imp]

Well all of your complaints suck and you suck and you have no idea what you're talking about and you suck and suck

[muted knot]

Oh pointless arguments in vet chat again ?

[finite imp]

and you suck

[torpid sundial]

what vet drama did I come back to again

[umbral scaffold]

Funny enough that's a weird strategy some corpos do

[finite imp]

and are suck

[muted knot]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[shrewd sierra]

You say something idiotic and are offended people don't agree with your take? lmao.

k.

[umbral scaffold]

Mostly because they do it for artificial content drip

[finite imp]

It's weaponized incompetence.

[umbral scaffold]

To a degree?

Part of it is actually that they have an internal schedule

For some reason

[finite imp]

Of course it is

[finite imp]

That whiteboard monthly on the wall sure seems empty lol

[umbral scaffold]

It's incompetence in the idea that they think it'll make them more money in the long run

[radiant chasm]

WCM had to be bugfixed for months by a single dude and some friends and all it does is let you swap parts

[umbral scaffold]

But it's likely deliberate

[umbral scaffold]

Welcome to Fatshark

[finite imp]

And that's literally all that's being asked for lol

swapping parts

[abstract moth]

@radiant chasm I did what you said but I doubt I'll get answered

[radiant chasm]

It has nothing about attachment acquisition or weapon balance/statistical balance

[umbral scaffold]

I've been playing vt2 as far back as release

They do what they do not because they can't

But because they want to

Including just not releasing info or updates for 2 years

Game Dev is silly that way

[radiant chasm]

No the community wants attachments and with any fps that does attachments it needs balance

[shrewd sierra]

Yet a single dude made it work well enough to where thousands of Darktide players use it to put scopes on guns or make them look cooler.
And you're telling me Fatshark is unable to do this too?
If anything the "Less toughness dmg taken" being "more dmg taken" and the fire incident recently shows you that Fatshark doesn't fucking test any of their stuff anyway.

[radiant chasm]

Scopes make your handling slightly worse etc etc

[finite imp]

I just want sights that aren't taint and balls

[radiant chasm]

Then use the mod

[finite imp]

Idgaf about foregrips

[umbral scaffold]

Same
But thankfully we can mod it so no big loss

[finite imp]

??? I do

[shrewd sierra]

We are using the mod you absolute bellend, jesus christ

[finite imp]

Jesus

[abstract moth]

I want a las sniper rifle

[radiant chasm]

Then stop fucking simping for what the mod doesnt even do

[shrewd sierra]

Noone is.

[finite imp]

You've entirely missed the point holy mother of fuck

[shrewd sierra]

You're an absolute waffle man

[radiant chasm]

It is a cosmetic implementation and the weapon customization rework which they should do

[finite imp]

You are on mars

[shrewd sierra]

This is weaponized idiocy.

[radiant chasm]

Isnt something fatshark can just turn on

[untold mulch]

At this point some point are just looking for a fight

lmao

[abstract moth]

Why can't I grab the frickin gun out of the sniper

[finite imp]

Yeah

I'm done

[radiant chasm]

Yea im aware of vet chat

[wicked zenith]

Why does the new Knife Push then attack hit so hard. A grey hits harder than my Chain Axe or sword or other knife that are upgraded fully. The only one that competes with it push attack is Heavy Sword

[umbral scaffold]

I mean
I'm not surprised

[shrewd sierra]

I was talking about you.

[finite imp]

He...he's talking about you...

Omfg

[radiant chasm]

Projection i guess

[wicked zenith]

a 377 Push attack for 1400.....

[thick rose]

has anyone thats said projection not been projecting?

[finite imp]

Next you're going to use the laughing crying emoji

[untold mulch]

Selfawareness you don't posess

[radiant chasm]

Chain axe push attack is more for stagger

[abstract moth]

Is that a compliment?

[radiant chasm]

Knife push attack hits hard

[umbral scaffold]

Probably. Waffles are delicious

[wicked zenith]

I mean the Chain Axe Fully Charged Swing vs the Push attack of the knife.

[abstract moth]

Ikr

[finite imp]

"🤣🤣🤣 I'm not mad "

[umbral scaffold]

New knife push attack is why I prefer it over the og

[torpid sundial]

I just realized since both blessings wont be tier 2 my perks need to be perfect

[umbral scaffold]

It's just superior to the older knife

[radiant chasm]

This im not sure on?

[umbral scaffold]

And safer

Older knife required heavies

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe activated heavy can oneshot crushers

[umbral scaffold]

New knife is just spam push attacks and kill a crusher in like 2-4 hits

[radiant chasm]

Even knife push attack cant do that

[untold mulch]

Fatshark has a very noticiable Management hell

A few higher ups are probably bringing the entire game down

[umbral scaffold]

Fucked up

[gaunt hinge]

cant the old knife do that

[radiant chasm]

It is layers of management hell

[wicked zenith]

@umbral scaffold It's stupid af strong. Especially with both Stam regen reduction nodes, You can spam if you won't get hit.

[umbral scaffold]

Old knife push attack is an overhead

Not a stab

So you need heavies

[finite imp]

I always figured it was probably some sort of fucked up content control restriction with games worhshop

[umbral scaffold]

New knife push attack is a stab

Which is disgustingly safe and strong

[gaunt hinge]

i dont get what the difference is

[umbral scaffold]

The downside is you need to alt fire before a stab

[finite imp]

Games workshop says ok you can make a 40k game but you can't do this this or this

[untold mulch]

Nah, you see it in every big gaming company

Management in gaming is filled with actual idiots

[finite imp]

And if you do I'll FUCK YOU

[radiant chasm]

GW being the biggest, tencent ironically seems relatively minor + should’ve been delayed more but that isnt how contracts work

[umbral scaffold]

Attack pattern basically
But you can see how strong it is in niche stuff

https://youtu.be/78OgSqyYcz4?si=qEGwaedqlmhqMzZP

[finite imp]

Yeah I work an IT security desk job and it's like that even at the highest rung in the ladder

[wicked zenith]

GW is protective of their lore. They seen it hurt MTG, Warcraft, and others that got alittle too loose with their lore.

[umbral scaffold]

It's just crazy overpowered

Or well
Not overpowered by itself

But the combination of being fast AND having a strong push attack

Means you can kite a lot of stuff

[radiant chasm]

Warcraft didnt get loose lore from handing out the IP

[finite imp]

Wow seems like it's doing ok

[umbral scaffold]

And be super safe

[untold mulch]

Shit just doesn't get done if Management doesn't routinely gets slapped in the face

[umbral scaffold]

Relatively, but from how recent people look at it, it's dying

Being dethroned by ff14 must sting

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm But they did from a writer who self-inserted himself as Sylvannas' bf.

[radiant chasm]

And GW has massive amounts of inconsistency and straight up supports mobile slop

[finite imp]

I mean at my job I don't have to wait for management thankfully. My duties are mostly reactionary

[umbral scaffold]

Have to remember

Corpos are dumb af

[radiant chasm]

That is shockingly common in the character industry

[umbral scaffold]

If they actually cared about their stuff

They wouldn't have made Reforged

But they did

[untold mulch]

Nice

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm And blizzard doesn't? Have you not seen Diablo Immortal, Diablo 4, the New Wow mobile game.

[umbral scaffold]

They would've made overwatch 2 better but uhh

You know lol

[untold mulch]

Corpos routinely show that is very much possible to fail upwards

[finite imp]

Someone left their id card at a desk and walked off? MINE NOW COME GET IT AND FILL OUT THIS REPORT BUCKO

[radiant chasm]

D I was mocked to hell and back but people still payed for it, lorewise it didnt try to do anything to the story

[finite imp]

SECURITY INFRACTION HELL YE

[untold mulch]

[umbral scaffold]

I wouldn't even think Tencent is as big problem as people think

League of Legends is basically all Tencent now

[wicked zenith]

OW2 was just a scam ro get you payu twice. It was never an upgrade. Unlike Smite 2 (at least the engine is upgrading)

[untold mulch]

I can feel by your words of the joy you get when that happens

[umbral scaffold]

And it still has one of the best free2play models ever made

Which is fucked up

[radiant chasm]

Warcraft rumble ive heard barely anything about but apparently it is still fun

[finite imp]

It's great because no matter who it is it doesn't matter. Anyone and everyone is a potential threat in a zero trust security infrastructure

[radiant chasm]

And it is just a fun non canon thing

[gaunt hinge]

i think technically overwatch did get an engine upgrade, the game just doesnt look any different

[umbral scaffold]

The president at Unity who basically killed his entire company was an ex president of EA who wanted to monetize reloading during mp matches

[radiant chasm]

Like hearthstone is just a game played in a tavern

[umbral scaffold]

It had some changes yes
But still universally hated

[wicked zenith]

Hearthstone is really only good for battleground imo.

[untold mulch]

I KNOW

[umbral scaffold]

My point of corpos caring is more of
If they actually knew what their players wanted, they wouldn't be this shitty

[radiant chasm]

Diablo 4 also not a story failure, the story was better than d3 it just had no endgame content but long unfun grind and shitty itemization

[umbral scaffold]

So fucked up tbh.

[finite imp]

I don't care if the president of the United States wants in somewhere. You go to the badging office/check out the keys etc. you do it by the books or you don't do it

End of discussion

[untold mulch]

Is the good old maximize short term profit

because WHEN it blows up, is no longer my problem

[finite imp]

And if my duties are usurped it's grounds for me to tender resignation

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm No I was saying Diablo 4 is trying some of the Mobile trash ideas. The horse etc.

[radiant chasm]

Ow2 just sucks i aint defending that cancelled the pve horde shooter that was the only reason they had

[finite imp]

You're PAYING me for an air tight security. My contract is TO THE LETTER

[abstract moth]

I mean how in th did he think that would work? You gotta do that in rl then in games too? Like wtf

[umbral scaffold]

Yup.

[untold mulch]

So you literally are in a constant

[radiant chasm]

The horse is for open world mobility idgaf about horse armor i was against that when oblivion did it and nothing changed

[finite imp]

Yes. I'm a hard ass. But I was HIRED TO BE ONE

[umbral scaffold]

He's a corpo guy, so he doesn't have any sense other than trying to exploit people.

[untold mulch]

[finite imp]

People are like why are you doing your job????

And I'm like ????

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm Doesn't matter if you don't gaf, It's still mobile trash idea.

[untold mulch]

"BECAUSE YOU MORONS DON'T DO YOURS"

[umbral scaffold]

why do you think Riot and Blizzard and Ubisoft management has all those nono scandals

[radiant chasm]

The horse or horse armor?

[umbral scaffold]

Corpo higher ups are paid to take advantage of people lol

[finite imp]

We have a security indoctrination for literally every single new employee and it's done AGAIN annually

[radiant chasm]

The horse is literally just overworld mobility

[umbral scaffold]

Just look at Blizzard president

[untold mulch]

Yeah

At this rate, Fatshark ain't gonna be better unless they clean house

[finite imp]

Literally zero excuse.

My job SHOULD be effortless

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm Whatever the I believe it was 50 dollar horse or horse skin whatever in D4. I don't play d4

[untold mulch]

"indoctrination" lmao

[finite imp]

But it's not

[radiant chasm]

It is like, not even on my list of bad things about the game

[finite imp]

That's what the call it in the feds

[radiant chasm]

I dont buy microtransactions

[finite imp]

Training indoc whatever

[umbral scaffold]

Bobby Kotick is fuckin awful

And yet he was president for how many years?

[finite imp]

Even I am scrutinized by my peers

[abstract moth]

Yes but if I was him and a pice of crap I would exploit people in smart ways and thinking they're doing a good thing while I'm getting up more than they can imagine, not shooting up on my own foot. Like what he thought was tremendously absurd

[umbral scaffold]

And got a fat stack as a cash out

He can go up to any modern tech company

Just show his resume

[radiant chasm]

Yall motherfuckers dont even smoke crack if you wanted to show the corpos you’d bomb nestle /joke

[umbral scaffold]

And they'll pay him money for it

Lmao

[wicked zenith]

@radiant chasm I'm not uptight on what can be considered them. Some people consider added characters to fighting games them. Use to be you had to buy a whole new ver of the same game to get the new roster. SF2 had what 20 different verisons by the end.

[finite imp]

You'll cowards don't even smoke crack

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah for sure. It's a bloated industry for many reasons

And a lot of it is because the leeches are here.

And I mean
Yeah it makes sense

[untold mulch]

He has a smile of literally "I will sell my mother if you have the coin"

[umbral scaffold]

Games make more money than film and tv atm

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rapper-viper-viper-the-rapper-viper-lee-carter-gif-21741361

[umbral scaffold]

Of course all the scummy management weirdos are gravitating to this before it dies

[hollow ibex]

is there any real reason to use graia braced over CIAG rn? 🤔

[untold mulch]

Fucking leeches

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[finite imp]

Because it's funny

[umbral scaffold]

Yup. But unfortunately that's too longterm for most companies.

Ethical consumption is not on their list of things to do

[finite imp]

It's eefoc

And it's funny

[zealous wyvern]

graia bracing makes it shoot faster

i assume it has higher dps than columnus

[umbral scaffold]

It's "milk money out of people until it dies then make a new one"

[hollow ibex]

faster than CIAG? 🤔

[radiant chasm]

Micro transactions havent been stopped

[finite imp]

It deletes hordes

[finite imp]

Yes highest rpm in the game

[zealous wyvern]

columnus deals the least dmg per bullet

[finite imp]

Try it

[radiant chasm]

I was there when they added paid cosmetics to wow

[wicked zenith]

I think some of the bracing makes less vertical spread or recoil but worse horizontal. Which may not matter in a horde.

[radiant chasm]

I was there when oblivion horse armor

[zealous wyvern]

graia deals more dmg per bullet

[gaunt hinge]

im still not sure i understand this statement https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1Qo66VpHrtTtgb/d1337i5t5jO6?invite=cr-MSxKbkUsNjY5MDkzMzMs

[zealous wyvern]

if it then starts shooting as fast or faster than columnus

[wicked zenith]

But why waste bullets on poxers? Bullets are for special for almost all classes. Poxers are rarely a threat.

[finite imp]

That makes you 30 at least

[radiant chasm]

-6

[finite imp]

I know this because I'm 30

[zealous wyvern]

it will outdamage columnus

[hollow ibex]

wished there was just one place with the base stats of weapons

[wicked zenith]

40 here

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[zealous wyvern]

warhammer people are old

[finite imp]

You whipper snappers and your iPads and your new fangled tellular phones and you're gooning

And yer girls

Egirls

[zealous wyvern]

i dont know what a fangled tellular phone is

[radiant chasm]

Yea when i was a baby my father left to go drink at the bar but left his ultramarine army out and when he came back there was not a blueberry left alive

[zealous wyvern]

but ive not done the rest

[finite imp]

And yer dubular step

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like dubstep was before my time

thats more your age

[finite imp]

Earliest I remember dubstep was

[zealous wyvern]

you were old enough to drink when it hit

[finite imp]

2006?

[zealous wyvern]

WHAT

it wasnt popular at all by then

[finite imp]

Let's see

[zealous wyvern]

i think it started hitting around 2012

[finite imp]

When did that one guy get popular

[zealous wyvern]

which would place you at 18yo

[finite imp]

What's his name

[zealous wyvern]

skrillex

[finite imp]

Yeah

[zealous wyvern]

around 2012 i think

[finite imp]

Him

I was born in '93

[zealous wyvern]

i was too young to party properly

ok so 19

my point is

YOU 30yos were at the drinking partying age

[finite imp]

Bro it's 2024

[zealous wyvern]

when dubstep hit

[finite imp]

Yeah it sucked

[zealous wyvern]

no i meant back then

not now

i meant

you were 19 when dubstep hit

[finite imp]

I gotcha

[zealous wyvern]

so technically YOU would be the generation to really like it

[finite imp]

Even then at 19 I didn't understand it

[zealous wyvern]

not us

[radiant chasm]

Landlord didnt pay the internet bill on time again

[abstract moth]

Hmmm I wonder if they'll ever add new classes

[radiant chasm]

An admech class is all but confirmed tbh

[zealous wyvern]

they will add a krieg class that has respawn charges so you can die more but also have less hp etc

29.99

[radiant chasm]

We got datamined portraits and that is the closest thing

[zealous wyvern]

i will buy it

[finite imp]

But to be fair I grew up listening to 80s hair metal like
deff leopard
Aerosmith
White snake
.38 special
Bon Jovi
Black ranger
The styx

[abstract moth]

Fr? What classes are they?

[zealous wyvern]

admech

from the sound of it

[abstract moth]

That's it?

[radiant chasm]

Admech of some sort

Nothing else confirmed

[abstract moth]

Only one?

[zealous wyvern]

one class is a big deal dude

[spice wadi]

and inherited some of their habits

[zealous wyvern]

in this kind of game

with all the skill tree stuff and gear

[radiant chasm]

One class is worth 3 careers

[zealous wyvern]

chill out

i doubt theyd ever bring out more than 1

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

[radiant chasm]

I could see a 2nd in a long long time

Some people are saying skiitari for admech but i dont buy it

[zealous wyvern]

no way

it has to be a chump

like us

cant be that developed

[finite imp]

Guys were add ultramarines for 59.99

Gluf

[radiant chasm]

Too elite and specialized, tech adept is more in line with the rejects, has human body silhouette

[finite imp]

Hf

[spice wadi]

the snow has entered the nostril

[zealous wyvern]

skitarii would be like dropping a scion or sister of battle in here

which would just outdo vet or zealot

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/sable-buddy-sable-buddy-snow-snow-sable-gif-27237000

[zealous wyvern]

its absolutely gonna be a minimum level augmented tech person

[abstract moth]

Not really, what if not many likes that class? But if they released it with 3 different options like the ones we have know it might work

[finite imp]

Dear diary. There is a person on the internet that follows me everywhere saying I do cocaine.

[elder fiber]

I feel like skiitari don't get imprisoned, just dismantled

[zealous wyvern]

then youre out of luck. and obviously theyd have 3 paths

[radiant chasm]

Admech is guaranteed to be liked unless fatshark absolute fucks up

[spice wadi]

am i the diary do u want me to write this down

[untold mulch]

Sooooo

50/50

[zealous wyvern]

you dont have to like every class lupus

this game is made for tons of people

[radiant chasm]

And while fatshark fucks up, i doubt they can fuck up tech adept enough that it wont be a massive seller

[zealous wyvern]

there are still 4 others you might like

i dont like any of the classes besides vet tbh

[finite imp]

i literally just want new weapons

[zealous wyvern]

im still happy

[finite imp]

thats all

not just the same weapons with diff stat thresholds

[zealous wyvern]

true

same

[spice wadi]

u want the death of the marks system

[radiant chasm]

Cause like it sounds really easy, melee focused branch and give them power axe, then a ranged focused branch, and either a summoner/specialized branch

[finite imp]

they were like BIG WEAPONS UPDATE and didn't add shit

[zealous wyvern]

i like marks

[serene orbit]

does the boltgun need suppression immunity?

[terse idol]

I'm banking on them at least using some of the things they learned while making necro sienna

[zealous wyvern]

i just want some new ones too

[finite imp]

yeah

[abstract moth]

They didn't do it at the start only one for each

[zealous wyvern]

so?

it took them a while to do it

[finite imp]

bolt pistol
hellgun
meltagun ( I am never even going to pick this shit up)

[zealous wyvern]

it was always gonna happen

just a matter of time

[radiant chasm]

The talent system replaced the feat and class system

[zealous wyvern]

the new class is probably gonna release with all 3 already

[finite imp]

is there any word on what they're even planning to do next?

[radiant chasm]

Originally you would have had to make a new character per subclass

[zealous wyvern]

what

[spice wadi]

not yet

[radiant chasm]

My guess is move towards the underhive

[zealous wyvern]

where is that confirmed

[abstract moth]

I like every class tbh, they'll all fun and have different gameplay style and strategies you can do

[spice wadi]

I think they're still winding back up from their hols

[sonic marlin]

inb4 good rashad

[finite imp]

What's this about a 2nd hice city all the characters keep mentioning

[radiant chasm]

The original intention from launch would be for example, you have Veteran Sharpshooter

[umbral scaffold]

I like em all except Ogryn cos I feel fat and cumbersome on Ogryn

[zealous wyvern]

no way they expected you to make a new character for each subclass

[spice wadi]

not good to be asking questions like that

[radiant chasm]

You couldnt change to a veteran squad leader

[zealous wyvern]

why not

[spice wadi]

idk im just saying the line

[radiant chasm]

Someone talked sense into them

[umbral scaffold]

Not having a good precision weapon and cheat weapon 😔

[finite imp]

Your name combined with your avatar is so ominous

[hot agate]

[zealous wyvern]

is that actually confirmed or are you just deducing that from the name?

[terse idol]

Uh the one that's already fallen?

[spice wadi]

why do ppl think the lil buddy is ominous

[terse idol]

I'm unsure

[radiant chasm]

Idk i cant read minds of the past

[finite imp]

Fallen to whaty

[zealous wyvern]

did they actually say "yeah you wont be able to change subclass at all"

[terse idol]

Chaos, jeans stealers who knows

Its a mystery

[finite imp]

because unless it's a tidal wave i think there's work to do there

[spice wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040240661405909024/1196469868749393950/cat-vampire.mp4?ex=65b7be66&is=65a54966&hm=8f06a27b499ddb13c73cace73ec84f895c9763a600957045a3c745485090c8a5& he's just a lil goober just a lil buddy

[radiant chasm]

But yes, the character creation would have had squad leader and sharpshooter as different options

[zealous wyvern]

or is that a conclusion of your own going by their naming

[abstract moth]

My point is they could release only on path given how they are

[zealous wyvern]

they wont

[finite imp]

that cat is the creepiest cat ive ever seen

[spice wadi]

WOW

[terse idol]

Oh I got one

[radiant chasm]

Ma there’s a weird cat in here

[finite imp]

he looks like he just got away with something

[elder fiber]

dw mittins I like your cat

[zealous wyvern]

that cat looks really strange

not because of the face

its the body hair

[radiant chasm]

Im pretty sure it was confirmed around the same time they went for the talent trees instead

[zealous wyvern]

its fur seems too puffy for cats

[zealous wyvern]

if it was confirmed by them then that is insanity

im glad they changed

jesus

[spice wadi]

bullying

[zealous wyvern]

christ

[radiant chasm]

Because obviously their is enough braincells in fatshark to see that idea being stupid

[zealous wyvern]

but i could swear i heard the squadleader being a future subclass before the tree happened

[abstract moth]

I mean with ogryn you feel like big killing machine plus dialogues are fun too

[zealous wyvern]

oh wait yeah

nevermind

[umbral scaffold]

Silly little cat

[zealous wyvern]

ignore that

[terse idol]

Not my favourite angle but it's still good

[radiant chasm]

Yes there were 4 confirmed subclasses before the talent update that we datamined

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

i rolled it out wrong here

ignore it

[finite imp]

it looks like a fucking fish

[abstract moth]

Yeah I wouldn't bet on it

[umbral scaffold]

True. I actually like Ogryn melee. Just not the fact I feel like I need a team to kill snipers properly.

[zealous wyvern]

i would

[terse idol]

[zealous wyvern]

i would bet my entire krieg models on it

[umbral scaffold]

Altho tbf the kickback does fine

[radiant chasm]

GG

[umbral scaffold]

I just want something else to use to do it man

😭

[zealous wyvern]

by the throne, they would never release another class and not give it subclasses

[umbral scaffold]

Oh truee I should use that too

[zealous wyvern]

i am sure of it

the only thing i could imagine, although it seems like nonsense to me tbh, is them giving each class an admech subclass

[finite imp]

everytime i get a 360+ knife damage is the dumpstat

fuckin A

[zealous wyvern]

which is still 4 new ones

[abstract moth]

Is pretty cute if you ask me

[finite imp]

he is cute

[umbral scaffold]

Nah I can easily see them adding in a new character eventually tbh

[finite imp]

in the same way golem is cute

[zealous wyvern]

yes

thats not what i meant oni

i meant they will give the new char subclasses

[terse idol]

But they would add in the 3 key stones with the new class

[finite imp]

can i get like

a sub machine gun

[zealous wyvern]

shredder?

[umbral scaffold]

I can see them doing both honestly

[sharp ember]

because of the talent tree system i wouldn’t imagine current classes getting any new subclasses

[finite imp]

thats a machine pistol

[zealous wyvern]

whats the difference?

[umbral scaffold]

But a new subclass requires another overhaul of the talent tree

[finite imp]

good question

[spice wadi]

TRUE

[zealous wyvern]

i actually dont know the difference

[terse idol]

They could add a fourth? But naw yeahv

[zealous wyvern]

oh wait i do

[umbral scaffold]

It's probably easier for them to make a brand new class by comparison

[abstract moth]

Good thing you don't have to give them away, if they dont then

[zealous wyvern]

a machine pistol is a pistol that shoots automatically probably while a sub machine gun is a smaller machine gun

[radiant chasm]

Only thing i see of existing classes is when/if they up the level cap to 35 and put some more cool nodes in

[zealous wyvern]

probably have different mechanics in the guns

because if you look at it, a machine pistol is really just a pistol but with more bullets and a handle at the front

[umbral scaffold]

Man I was waiting for "the machine pistol is a pistol that shoots machines" as a punchline lol

[zealous wyvern]

while a submachine gun is usually a proper rifle just very short

[sharp ember]

a machine pistol and smg both shoot pistol rounds

[zealous wyvern]

but im guessing here

yes

i didnt mean ammo

[sharp ember]

a short rifle is called a carbine

[finite imp]

just give me the kryss vector

gg

[zealous wyvern]

oh thats what a carbine is?

[abstract moth]

Yeah I feel you on that, tho you should try to snipe snipers with rocks is so fun kek