veteran-class

[vernal harbor]

I believe the bugs and malfunctions of the ai director are just unpatched and put into maelstrom for added silliness

Just click your name here

Server profile

[wanton dawn]

I think the hardest maelstrom is the one with full special waves

[muted knot]

I lost one yesterday where we just had a infinite amount of poxbursters on stairs

[vernal harbor]

Yeah that’s the broken shit I was thinking off

[wanton dawn]

Melee only and boss are predictable

[bitter turtle]

u can definitely make it far even with one person down

id say if u find aurics too easy just tr yhtem more

[wanton dawn]

Buster conga line from corner are the real threatening crap

[vernal harbor]

I often Damn near solo it but I’d play solo mode if I wanted to play alone 😭

[wanton dawn]

Especially when the other conga comes from OTHER corner

[slow spade]

need silent burster conga lines UwU

[vernal harbor]

When you have good teammates auric shit is insanely braindead but also if you have bad teammates auric is insanely tedious

[wanton dawn]

Also yeah, i find standard auric "easy" now

[muted knot]

Isn't that just what's happening right now ?

[bitter turtle]

the only thing good about burster conga lines is with so many of them they are at least never silent lul

[vernal harbor]

Duality of rejects

[slow spade]

not often enough clearly

there's still a win rate in Maelstrom

[bitter turtle]

standard auric is for farming plasteel

lul

though some of the conditions+certain map is kinda hard

like the torrent map where u gotta climb down a big tower in the beginning

with like vent purge sniper

that was pretty funny

[vernal harbor]

I went to push the burster into the ones behind it, missed the shove as it leapt behind me, propelled me into the burster line and

[wanton dawn]

Die

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[muted knot]

Being burster juggled feels real bad haha

[wanton dawn]

Rofl

I guess poxbuster do not exist

[muted knot]

Give me a build to run fellas

I'm too stagnant on my lasguns atm

[vernal harbor]

Typing darktide into the gif search gives me an ogryn hitting backshots in the hub

[wanton dawn]

Weapon specialist exec stance brauto agri

[muted knot]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hak-jabb-gif-892289627481122892

[vernal harbor]

These fucking gifs kill me

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-omori-hop-on-darktide-omori-hop-on-gif-27183451

Idk who makes these for every game

But they’re hilarious

[muted knot]

If I'd enjoy anything about brauto id do that

[serene sage]

gay

[muted knot]

Keep that shit to zealot chat

[wanton dawn]

Melee hellbore

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-hop-on-hop-on-darktide-warhammer-darktide-40k-darktide-gif-27106796

Pretty sure it is the zealots who make em

[serene sage]

Lol

[muted knot]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-darktide-gif-27128217

[muted knot]

Who else would

[vernal harbor]

Dorktide

[unreal bone]

Bro the day Fartshart actually makes Recons good

will be the day Darktide is great

[wanton dawn]

Recon is boring

[muted knot]

It was a while ago

And you saw nothing else

[vernal harbor]

It was glorious

Laser mowing hallways

[muted knot]

Recon for me just never felt good

So I don't really miss it

[wanton dawn]

Ah yes, p13 recon. The patch where vet was so weak ppl though recon was good

[muted knot]

Hahaha

[vernal harbor]

Then they broke the rifle over their knee and said “not like that.”

And we said ‘ok’

Auric maelstrom here we go ya hooo

[unreal bone]

I feel like trying to brute force a recon lasgun build anyways

which mark do y'all suggest

[bitter turtle]

6d

[unreal bone]

why VId

[bitter turtle]

fastest shooting speed

the only reason recon is even remotely useable is abusing onslaught

[unreal bone]

I don't use onslaught tho

[modest sapphire]

I use all of them But the Vll variants feel the coolest

[wanton dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196562849489768458/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-01-15_19-12-34.mp4?ex=65b814fe&is=65a59ffe&hm=47a77856396264f826e3af57c289a7592bd2c65b8bf164a0f877c2e76184ce7a&

[muted knot]

Recon moment

[bitter turtle]

that plot twist

at the end

is hilaroius

[vernal harbor]

you werent kidding i loaded into mid mission into fire and voice yelling and then this

[unreal bone]

The MKII feels like my favorite recon..

[bitter turtle]

lul

[wanton dawn]

Did you look at the perk ?

[bitter turtle]

ya

lol

[bitter turtle]

i mean use it if you want

[muted knot]

Wait where does it show perks ?

[bitter turtle]

the recon has maniac

the column has nothing

its highlighted

[muted knot]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

but yeah anyway

[muted knot]

Yikes hahaha

[bitter turtle]

use it if you want

js if you were asking about the least bad recon

its 6d with onslaught

makes it

[muted knot]

Good old 100% recon and 0% ciag

[bitter turtle]

still worse than the iags in every way but uh

its ok i guess

[muted knot]

Wait till they adjust every weapon to current recon level

Do we have any clue about new updates ?

[bitter turtle]

theres still some unreleased werapons in the datamines apparently

but no

[unreal bone]

oh yeah we know that already

But yeah they actually buffed and nerfed recons?

[bitter turtle]

no

recons benefitted from skill tree

no actual buffs

[muted knot]

Can't say the same right now

[bitter turtle]

then since they were actually usable (not even the best weapon mind you)

they kneecapped the actual values on recon in like

every concievable way

dmg nerfs, ammo nerfs, crit nerfs

[unreal bone]

But of course haven't done a thing to the revolvers. 😔

[bitter turtle]

that's the funnier part

same patch they buffed revolvers

[unreal bone]

If you say

[bitter turtle]

[unreal bone]

gfd

Actual clowns

[torpid sundial]

Why even nerf the recons if they weren't broken

[bitter turtle]

also buffed IAG on the same patch to being better than the recon even if they didnt nerf it

[bitter turtle]

kneejerk reaction ig

it was the hot meme

[torpid sundial]

also what, did the recon used to have crit strings before

[bitter turtle]

they had longer crit strings

[torpid sundial]

ah

[bitter turtle]

and shocktrooper would proc on every crit

in the string

now it refunds only hte 1st bullet

[torpid sundial]

yeah that would be really good for cleaving through hordes

[unreal bone]

You can't have an ounce of fun with recons, but I literally fucking dome ogryns with a singular revolver bullet.

Feels like I'm shooting a depleted uranium round out of my revolver.

[slow spade]

Fatshark said that fully autos are cringe

and that revolvers are sexy

[bitter turtle]

but ya the biggest nerfs were
flak/unyielding dmg went down REALLY hard (like 20-30% depending on range falloff) under the guise of changing the inverse dmg falloff recon used to have

the whole shocktrooper and crit string thing

[wanton dawn]

Recon doing as much dmg as as a lvl 1 stats gun is kinda telling

[bitter turtle]

also the tree changes hurt it a little even tho it benefitted other guns

mostly it was easy to pick up exploit weakness b4 and it was good for recon with headhunter blessing

then exploit got changed to the weird and mostly useless melee brittleness debuff now

can still do onslaught since its unchanged at least

but relatively recon suffered a little from that whereas other guns benefitted from the tree shuffling

[vernal harbor]

scab maelstrom

[unreal bone]

Idk man every second I tune into darktide news I sit here like.

What the actual fuck is happening up there.

[slow spade]

the funniest part about the changes is the Shocktrooper change ONLY affects recon

[bitter turtle]

ya

[slow spade]

they made sure everyone knows "fuck recon"

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt affect the other guns that literally abuse it for actual infinite ammo

lol

[unreal bone]

Yeah that's like what I always thought

[neat stratus]

This any good?

[wanton dawn]

Its fine

[unreal bone]

I might just go melee vet from now on with an axe and middle tree keystone tbh.

And just use all the toughness abilities.

[wanton dawn]

For reference, best hb stats distrib is stability as dump stats

[neat stratus]

Shovul

[vernal harbor]

mf brute brainer

forget that its just suppose to be a shovel

[wanton dawn]

It has a can opener

[unreal bone]

Have they done anything to un fuck the bolter?

[neat stratus]

no

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[neat stratus]

Looks a little bricked innit?

[unreal bone]

Me watching Darktide make the absolutely most fucking stupid balancing decisions ever.

[vernal harbor]

no its a shovel

[neat stratus]

why

[vernal harbor]

when they added the dew update for a day then removed it

[bitter turtle]

the bolter is still has a niche at least

[slow spade]

I miss the funny shirt-less bug

[bitter turtle]

its outclassed at special killing vs plasma/zarona revolver but it can dump a monstro faster than them

[unreal bone]

Did they nerf the other revolver then?

[slow spade]

bolter does have the funny "oh shit" dps dump potential which is nice

[unreal bone]

The one that let you full dump monstros and kill them in one mag?

[slow spade]

"nerf" "revolver"

come on now

it got buffed UwU

[unreal bone]

The fan revolver

[wanton dawn]

Errr, it is just not good

[unreal bone]

day 1 when fan came out

[bitter turtle]

that revolver was new and introduced with the revolver nerfs

its also worse than zarona

[neat stratus]

Where

[unreal bone]

you could 1 mag monstros on damnation

[bitter turtle]

yeah you can

but like

its worse at everything else vs zarona

[wanton dawn]

Revolver without ads

[bitter turtle]

unless you just REALLY HATE MONSTRO

[unreal bone]

So why choose a bolter when you could just use a Zarona, if you wanna nuke monstros then you just go with the fan revolver.

[bitter turtle]

because bolter does both

[wanton dawn]

Was it impossible to add faning on special key ?

[bitter turtle]

the weakness of it is just

that clunky swap speed and reload

[slow spade]

yeah idk why they didn't change the special

[unreal bone]

I use fan revolver 24/7 on my zealot works great for everthing.

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but this is vet chat

[slow spade]

like idk anyone that uses the fist special on the revolver

feels like a wasted opportunity

which I suppose is par for the course

[junior needle]

Me watching fat shark only make good balancing decisions when it comes to weapons the developers actually care about

[bitter turtle]

like really, part of why plasma is good is bc it weirdly swaps... fast?

[junior needle]

(Helbores)

[bitter turtle]

and thats really just the main reason bolter suggs

well

not suggs

but is worse

[unreal bone]

I want to like plasma

I really do

but it doesn't feel like what plasma should be imo

[wanton dawn]

The balance patch will be painful

[bitter turtle]

and the other slow swapping weapon like helbore

has one of the best melee weapons slapped onto it

lul

just give bolter a bayonet :^)

[wanton dawn]

I predict: bayonet speed nerf, ciags dmg nerf, plasma cleave nerf

[neat stratus]

Considering how slow it is to pull out and reload, I would say the bolter needs a buff

[wanton dawn]

Recon nerf, cant forget that

[neat stratus]

Not a massive one, but a slight one

[bitter turtle]

it could use a buff

i just wouldnt say its trash

like recons are

[unreal bone]

I predict next update every gun besides the revolver will spawn with 0 ammo.

[bitter turtle]

lol

they have a niche at least

thats why i retracted sugg

[neat stratus]

make it like 0.5s faster to draw and 0.4s faster to reload

[wanton dawn]

Recon has 0 redeeming quality

Just use ciags

[bitter turtle]

recon's """niche""" is if you cant handle even graia recoil you're free to give up half of ur dps against maniacs and still like 10-20% damage against everything else for a recoilless automatic

[wanton dawn]

Its better in every way

[junior needle]

Compensatory buff: Recon infernus max stacks increased to 14.

Undocumented changes, the weapons can no longer crit.

[unreal bone]

I think I'm just gonna go melee shout vet with a really good melee weapon and just use a recon lasgun for when I'm bored.

[wanton dawn]

Recon is truly a born leader

[unreal bone]

Recons are the only gun I like.

[bitter turtle]

hear me out

recon with a bayonet fixes it

:^)

[neat stratus]

No

[wanton dawn]

Id play it

[bitter turtle]

unironically i hope they do it

i love the idea

they want i tto be a close range smg weapon

give it a bayonet

now the lower dmg is justified

[neat stratus]

Make it shoot 10x faster and hold 15x the ammo

[bitter turtle]

and bayonets absolutely destroy maniacs

[neat stratus]

half the damage

[bitter turtle]

so it covers the bad maniac dmg too

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet destroy everything

Except carapace...

[bitter turtle]

carapace

checkmate

[serene sage]

Bayonet burned down my home and fucked my girlfriend that I don't even have

That's how OP it is

[torpid sundial]

make mk3 bayonet as fast as mk2 and 1

[wanton dawn]

Still, i fully expect bayo nerf

[slow spade]

bayonet buff pls

[near lion]

So, does rapid fire, annoying spam pinging with the mark skill do anything besides annoy your team, or does it rapidly apply stacks. Or does it only keep applying a single stack over and over

[slow spade]

power sword still has better cleave

[unreal bone]

Just delete all of the recons and add a hotshot lasgun.

[torpid sundial]

uhh

do I need to unlock trust 18 before I can find the lv2 blessings

[muted knot]

But does it really need a nerf ? The bayonet?

Like yes it's good

[wanton dawn]

It has better moveset than ps. Better being a super spammable cleave attack stab

If it werent for carapace it would be completely and utterly busted

[muted knot]

I don't know man I don't think enough people play melee Hellbore to justify it

[wanton dawn]

Fair enough

[muted knot]

Like it's probably just our bubble here

What's the best melee for a hellbore anyway ? Out side of PS cause that's juck

[torpid sundial]

it two shots ragers

like wtf

the bayonet is just insane

and its on a ranged weapon plus super spammable

[muted knot]

On damnation?

[torpid sundial]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

Sure

[torpid sundial]

with some melee buffs on the talent tree

but yes

[wanton dawn]

Again, only carapace resist it

[bitter turtle]

tac axe with bromentum on it

fast swap into push

[torpid sundial]

anyways how far do I need to level my character

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[muted knot]

Give us reverse can opener for Hellbore

[bitter turtle]

for a time

i was like

[muted knot]

Far enough to get the shotgun

[bitter turtle]

knife + bayonet sounds super good and fun

[torpid sundial]

fuck

[bitter turtle]

forgot knife has no bromentum

[torpid sundial]

that sounds like a paaaain

[muted knot]

I somehow doubt you are being genuine

[bitter turtle]

i mean

that's unironically

what i run with it

[muted knot]

That's my chainsword problem with Hellbore atm

[wanton dawn]

My bayo build need a weapon that has bm and can kill carapace

[bitter turtle]

since b4 it was bromentum+ limbsplitter

ig now psword with bromentum is prob better

[wanton dawn]

So either caxe or ps

Yup

[muted knot]

PS yucky

[unreal bone]

So question

if I plan to run a recon

[wanton dawn]

Also because ps has good special when you switch by mistake

[unreal bone]

Is shocktrooper still worth it?

Or is it so bad might aswell fuck off

[wanton dawn]

Well, recon is bad so...

Knock yourself out

[muted knot]

Yeah it's probably okay but you know how we think about recon ingeneral

[unique sorrel]

from what i remember it only saves ammo on the first shot of the burst

[muted knot]

Correct

Not the whole string

[unreal bone]

the reason I ask is I don't have the room for recon

I am 1 point short so I'd need to remove something

[unique sorrel]

i liked recon when it was good but i cant find a good build for it now

at least not something i like using

[muted knot]

It's just bad

[wanton dawn]

Be careful about showing build we are a contentious bunch

[unique sorrel]

they must have forgotten 6d was in the game when they released it

[muted knot]

Mr redditor would you mind sharing the meat grinder clip again ?

[wanton dawn]

Sure

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196562849489768458/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-01-15_19-12-34.mp4?ex=65b814fe&is=65a59ffe&hm=47a77856396264f826e3af57c289a7592bd2c65b8bf164a0f877c2e76184ce7a&

[muted knot]

Watch it and marvel young one

[unreal bone]

This is basically what I'm working with here. 🤷‍♂️

[muted knot]

Serrated blade

[unreal bone]

I normally like serratted blade, but maybe I just get rid of that

[muted knot]

Found your point

[unreal bone]

Idk if serrated is worth it or not tbh.

[muted knot]

It is not

Also

[bitter turtle]

serrated blade is worth it only if you run mercy killer knife

bad otherwise

[wanton dawn]

It is only worth with some knife

[muted knot]

Take grenade Regen

[unreal bone]

I run combat axe

[bitter turtle]

definitely not worth then

[unreal bone]

Should I run shredder nades or krak nades

[bitter turtle]

shredder

[muted knot]

Swap the node before VoC to the right one

[wanton dawn]

Errr

[unreal bone]

I know which one the regen is. 😔

[wanton dawn]

With recon i guess kraks is fine

[muted knot]

The right one

Before VoC

[unreal bone]

I'm worried about more important things than regenning grenades

[bitter turtle]

recon can still kill crusher fast-ish

but you need onslaught

which i highly recommend u run

lol

ig do krak if you really dotn want onslaught

[merry glade]

i feel like some missions i need all the grenades i can get and others i forget they even exist

[unreal bone]

takes like 1 and a half mags.

[unique sorrel]

onslaught feels very underwhelming

[unique sorrel]

i know it makes a big difference for recons, but for autos i hardly noticei t

[unreal bone]

Dude I know where the grenade regen...

[muted knot]

This would be my best advice tbh

[wanton dawn]

Cuz it is. Only useful for crusher on gun that dont wanna shoot crusher

[muted knot]

Oh

[unreal bone]

Holy fuck I said that already 😭

[muted knot]

Sorry

My brain is sleepy

[bitter turtle]

idk i notice a pretty big difference for iags

and brautos

[muted knot]

Not trying to be a arse

[bitter turtle]

i think its fundamentally a 'broken" talent personally

lets guns that shouldn't be able to deal with carapace kill carapace

[wanton dawn]

I dont cuz i dont shoot crusher with autogun

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/12482679f0b9652a73270e7591027154.png
imo this is a good skeleton

just put the rest where you want

er

forget that point to the left

the 5% ranged dmg

lul

unless you go down that path ofc

im assuming u need the 10% melee node for caxe BP

if not you can drop it too

if its rashad*

[wanton dawn]

Now tbf, onslaught ciag might be good for no ammo modifier but against standard target whats the point ? Everything drops like fly https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1195252458449023037/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-01-12_07-23-45.mp4?ex=65bc8b18&is=65aa1618&hm=077e36ee6ac75e5ee561b4fa848a8db8daa84f9f9d7171dc5df077437494d05b&

[thick rose]

[bitter turtle]

if you dont need to hit rashad bp it frees up a lot more points

https://i.gyazo.com/e7ff363c40f73e69c85c9aae3635c23b.png

[muted knot]

Why not duck and dive instead of the middle one ?

[thick rose]

if you deadshot you would

[bitter turtle]

idk both are fine

[muted knot]

What's the middle one again ?

[wanton dawn]

Duck n dive without deadshot is kinda wasted

[bitter turtle]

15% dmg when you ability

[muted knot]

Really ?

I feel like it helps me keep up sprint stamina pretty well

[wanton dawn]

Sure but why are you running so much with a gun in hand ?

[muted knot]

Cause I run Hellbore 🙂

[bitter turtle]

it does make a big diff vs carapace tho

[wanton dawn]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

like

i know that's just 1 target

but negating the 1 weakness of the gun

makes it just shoot everything and everything dies

idk i think its worth

[wanton dawn]

Still meh against carapace with onslaugh

[muted knot]

Wait is duck and dive only when you have your gun equiped ?

[sharp ember]

no

[bitter turtle]

i get like 2k dps on carapace, I think that's pretty good

i know its no psword meme combo but

u dont have to be at melee range

[vernal harbor]

okay scab maelstrom is above me

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-mike-ehrmantraut-marmok-gif-15491755101192661700

[muted knot]

Hahaha

[bitter turtle]

the only 1m+ dmg games ive had is scab only mael lol

[muted knot]

The face of a man who has been going at it for ages just to fail at the end

[unreal bone]

yeah okay wow I just tried the VId compared to the MkII recon

[wanton dawn]

I dont have the place for onslaught on mah build anyway

[unreal bone]

takes over a mag to kill the crusher with MK II

It's a little under half a mag to full hp a crusher with VId

[muted knot]

What's the best blessing for the new vet shovels again ?

[vernal harbor]

scab maelstrom is up again in auric go get em

[bitter turtle]

there's a lot of good ones

[muted knot]

I have a nice one with take a swing...

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-live4ever-starship-troopers-gif-23699089

[bitter turtle]

take a swing + all or nothing is a combo (that I haven't tried)

uncanny/thrust/limbsplitter are all good anti elite

[muted knot]

Ohh really ?

[vernal harbor]

the only good scab is a dead scab

[wanton dawn]

I dont feel no ammo anymore.

[bitter turtle]

decimator/skullcrusher are good for horde

[muted knot]

He walked so colonel commisar gaunt could run

[bitter turtle]

well uncanny is decent for both ig if you're smacking around flak bruisers

[vernal harbor]

i feel like gaunt was more sharpe than rico

since dan is british

[muted knot]

It's more about the exact quote

[vernal harbor]

oh yeah

[muted knot]

"men of Tanith, do you want to life forever ?!"

[wanton dawn]

The only reason i play no ammo is to get those 1m+ dmg game.

[junior needle]

There’s a very large dps disparity between the mk2 and the 6d. 7a is better than the 2 but worse than the 6.

Also rending talents seem to make 6d a bit more ammo efficient

[muted knot]

I'm still sad I have to finish the gaunts ghosts series with a different narrator

[junior needle]

But they’re similar

[junior needle]

Even on a 100%+ target, t4 uncanny gives at least a 30% damage boost.

Consistently

[unreal bone]

Does Onslaught benefit the chain axes?

[muted knot]

I don't think so right ?

[bitter turtle]

yeah that's why I said for both elites and specials

[junior needle]

For everything

[bitter turtle]

er

elites and hordes*

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

i swapped it off for more alpha dmg though

i want that light oneshot on rager

lol

[junior needle]

Top tier consistent blessing

[bitter turtle]

i only didnt include it for hordes at first since it doesnt help against

unarmored/infested

but rethought it since killing the bruisers faster is still helping a lot

[paper brook]

Is the Catachan Combat blade any good on veteran?

I see a lot of Zealots use it

[muted knot]

The devil's claw ?

Or the knife ?

[paper brook]

knife

[bitter turtle]

knife is good for mobility and decent at killing elites but the poor horde clear means you need to pair it with a gun that can horde clear

its fun though

[vernal harbor]

i dont know who needs to hear this but specifically maelstrom mfs, drop. your. god. damn. supplies. PLEASE

[muted knot]

Oh yes

[vernal harbor]

"we might need this later" IM TELLING YOU I NEED IT NOW

https://tenor.com/view/radioman-gif-25424778

[paper brook]

I'm about to sound dumb, but what is the keybind to drop a consumeable like an ammo crate for example? Not use it but drop it for someone else to pick up

[bitter turtle]

they're going to drop it in the evac ship and you're going to like it

[paper brook]

Along with my rations?

[unreal bone]

So hey what melee would pair best with a recon lasgun rn?

Currently gonna try out the combat axe for it's ability to fuck up crushers in a few hits.

[bitter turtle]

it was/still is a jack-of-all trades kinda weapon

so you can really pair it with anything

[vernal harbor]

just like their damn momma did when they were born smh

[bitter turtle]

not because its insanely good or anything but

[vernal harbor]

dropped on their head

[bitter turtle]

in principle it fills the same role as the IAGs

[vernal harbor]

gotta be

[bitter turtle]

which also can be prety much paired with anything

[autumn wave]

I like a mk3 shovel with it

[bitter turtle]

you can shoot long targets, close targets, you can kill armored targets (with onslaught)

so it can fill whatever role you need it to

albeit you might run out of ammo shooting hordes with it, unlike iag

[autumn wave]

Deals with muties and crushers which can be huge ammo guzzlers for the recon

[bitter turtle]

oh

i would say ya

pick a melee that is good vs common maniac targets lol

since that is like the absolute trashiest part of the weapon

[toxic cedar]

What’s the best las pistol

[bitter turtle]

but maniacs tend to take more from melee anyway? so its whatever

[autumn wave]

The shovel specifically is very nice for one tapping muties even on bodyshot

[unreal bone]

so maybe a good horde clear melee?

[bitter turtle]

yeah probably

shovel isnt a bad choice, like the other person said

good all rounder weapon too

or just psword

lul

[paper brook]

Which is better, the Columnus braced autogun or the Infantry autogun MK V?

Since Graia guns are inferior

[bitter turtle]

for columnus, IAG

and graia isnt really inferior, just different

imo

i use graia over colu personally

better at long-range shots at the cost of a little dps but all the iags do stupid dps anyway

[paper brook]

Because the Graia braced autogun looks like it could be a solid weapon

[tough tiger]

which recon lasgun is worth using>

[bitter turtle]

none

[unreal bone]

Man I swear to god when the auric maelstrom says

[bitter turtle]

but use 6d if you want

[unreal bone]

"Scab only faction"

[bitter turtle]

really want to use one

[unreal bone]

it really means

suicide

[bitter turtle]

it is solid, just agri is considered the most popular among brautos

colu is most popular among iags

graia has great recoil control and sits in the middle for dps tho

[unreal bone]

Scab Only Faction auric maelstroms are the worst

[muted knot]

Best

[midnight crane]

Best

[paper brook]

Worst

[near sable]

the trauma psyker seeing scab only, no ammo:

[serene sage]

Stat padding galore that one

[paper brook]

Is the shovel on Vet really that good?

I hear people praise it a lot

[near lion]

Shovel go bonk

[paper brook]

Isn't there only one variant?

[near lion]

There's 2

[paper brook]

Which one is the better one?

[near lion]

One has a mode switch for higher single target damage

[autumn wave]

there's 3

[muted knot]

2 have the special mode

1 is og shovel

[near lion]

One just goes bonk

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/extraction-2-extraction2-tyler-rake-chris-hemsworth-netflix-gif-7346421814291277588

https://tenor.com/view/fall-to-the-ground-tyler-rake-chris-hemsworth-extraction-2-drop-to-the-ground-gif-4318899257120670193

[midnight crane]

I can heard the down sound effect lmao

[paper brook]

Maelstrom in a nutshell

[vernal harbor]

I mean

It’s what I was asking for

But tbh it’s kinda a bit cheap

It’s just the director saying “kill ‘em”

I don’t think it reads anything

I figured it would sense that I fended off an entire ambush solo trying to rescue the boys and maybe ease up but it just didn’t stop for several minutes until two bosses spawned and got me

Gonna put a pin in maelstrom scab only, shits heresy

Oddly melee only scab is easier

[near lion]

Gotta run that rez shout

[paper brook]

Damnation

[paper brook]

I do this

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/knee-slap-chris-evans-gif-5914701

[paper brook]

It's a lifesaver a lot of times

[stable flint]

I couldn't use my ult (infiltrate) at some point during a mission intul the end of it

is it a known bug ? How can i avoid it ?

[vernal harbor]

Sounds like a bug

I’d make a report

[stable flint]

Yeah it was one obviously, but i don't know what proced it

[vernal harbor]

That would make my toes curl

Oh did you go down while in inf

That’s happened to me before but not the entire mission

[stable flint]

I don't recall it well but i don't think so

[vernal harbor]

Specifically getting downed as soon as you pop it has had the tendency to short circuit it for a few minutes trying to figure out what happened

[stable flint]

I see

Maybe it was that then

I couldn't use it for about 5 min i think, it was a shrt mission

So maybe it was jsut that

[dusty nacelle]

What's the major difference between power sword mk3 and 6?

[wanton dawn]

Mk6 moveset is more versatile

Good push attack for boss and ogryn. Good light for horde control. Block animation cancel. Better block

Mk3 has shallower moveset, no block cost reduction but better activation time and can be activated while sprinting

Mk6 is better but blessing matters more than sword choice

[dusty nacelle]

What do I want a columnus iag as well? Dumdum and wut?

[bitter turtle]

dumdum an dfirefrenzy/deathspitter for damage

stripped down for utilty

[muted knot]

Dum dum flak/maniac is all you need really

[dusty nacelle]

Okay tyy

[bitter turtle]

raking fire is an option too

[idle carbon]

"while sprinting" is a bit of an exaggeration, you're still reduced to walking speed
the mk6 has you slow down to a crawl by comparison

[unreal bone]

Bro revolvers are so busted.

[muted knot]

Yes

[unreal bone]

why can't recons be somewhat useable

😭

But a pistol pistol can reduce ogryns to atoms

[dusty nacelle]

okay so for something like this, the best thing to do would be to replaced unarmored w/ flak and speedload with dumdumm right?

[idle carbon]

that would work nicely ya

[dusty nacelle]

What's the max tier of dumdum

[idle carbon]

4, like most

[dusty nacelle]

tyyy

[idle carbon]

look at this beauty from hadron
weak spot damage to flak and I'm absolutely set
just need a build...

[unreal bone]

I feel line infernus ain't worth it on recons

[vivid canyon]

what stats am i looking for on the rashad mk2

like what is the least important

by the empra pls say mobility

[idle carbon]

if it's got mobility, the dump stat is mobility

[vivid canyon]

bless the empra

[idle carbon]

yeah that's a good one
pray it doesn't get bricked

[vivid canyon]

Omnissiah protects

eh, this is salvageable

[idle carbon]

headtaker good, swap stamina out for... something else
axes aren't my forte

[vivid canyon]

Headtaker and Brutal Momentum go hard

and idk about the trait. Melee weakspot damage sounds nice

[idle carbon]

I've only ever gotten good antax caxes, which endlessly annoys me

[vivid canyon]

I've had really very very good experiences with the rashad

[idle carbon]

I have loads of good shovels on all 3 of my vets tho, so you win some ya lose some

[vivid canyon]

Use it right and it will demolish monstrosities, elites, hordes

[torpid sundial]

what are axes good for I've never used them

Thought they weren't good for horde clearing and mostly for killing carapace

[vivid canyon]

Really really high damage output while hitting weakpoints

I'm usually highest damage on monstrosities

[idle carbon]

brutal momentum is what makes the axe good

[vivid canyon]

and the rashad has a cleave, it goes through 2-3 enemies so hordes are not a problem if you dodge

• VoC + general attack speed up and you're a lumberjack lawnmower thing

[torpid sundial]

🤔 I guess I'll try

[idle carbon]

or you can use a shovel and you'll get the best of both worlds with few downsides lol

shovels are basically axes with cleave

[torpid sundial]

eeh

The shovels are comfy but I dont like it because they kill hordes too slowly

[idle carbon]

light strikedown spam says otherwise

it's really nice on WS vet with the extra attack speed

[torpid sundial]

I'm asking because I have a bunch of really good axes that I bought weeks ago but never touched

[humble meteor]

most attractive darktide female:

[torpid sundial]

whats the best way to get lv2 blessings on a lv30 character 🤔

I guess praying to the armoury

[idle carbon]

pretty much

I did see manstopper earlier today, but I already had it
rip to the people who need it lol

[torpid sundial]

oh hey I'm actually almost there for my zealot

I guess I'll unlock it for my zealot and find it there

instead of levelling vet from scratch

[gaunt hinge]

im realising again that every single cosmetic these guys are wearing are unobtainable

[muted knot]

Pants maybe ?

[civic bane]

Should I grab this chainsword from melk ?

[languid terrace]

Scion's beret hat cosmetic in the next update plz.

[gaunt hinge]

youd think so, but no

[autumn wave]

Not really worth it, nothing spectacular in stats, perks or blessings

Save your melkbucks for when you really need a t4 blessing down the line

[languid terrace]

Spend your melk tokens on chainsword like this one.

[low yacht]

I just saved a game with a bleed shovel build.

My team died on me and I had to fight until I had shout.

The shovel is underrated it really matters on the build.

[manic vortex]

is mk7 shovel just an improved standard issue shovel?

[low yacht]

Well the heavy attack is definitely better I have killed ragers with no issue.

It turns into a blade when you use the special on some shovels.

[manic vortex]

since both the Heavy pattern is the same but the special i think mk7 is better

[vivid canyon]

I'd try the rashad mk2. Once you learn how to dance with it it's really powerful. Plus avg damage on monstrosities is around 27-30k and that's counting the monster walking away, you getting punted, mutants hitting you. Far from optimal uptime dps

[low yacht]

MK VII hits like a truck.

Especially with bleed that shovel is good.

I thought shovels were bad but monstrosities die so fast with my shovel.

[sonic shore]

tempestus scion gear would be AMAZING, but also would make no sense to be added, Scions are trained from birth and brain washed to be loyal they are like the most elite unit the astra millitarium has to offer, if you don't have space marines you send the tempestus scions

[low yacht]

You do know they use plasma guns and power swords.

So there is tempestus gear.

Power Swords aren't given to just any guards men.

We have the helmet of a dead tempestus scion.

At best it would be scrapped gear from a dead scion.

You do know scions and commisars are from the same place?

They're trained by the same people.

Plasma guns are usually limited to commisars and tempestus.

And space marines.

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[torpid sundial]

ez first try

now for the cleave

[languid terrace]

It is just cosmetic, if omni shield helmet can appear, then why not the rest of the gear?

[torpid sundial]

Now that I think about it it really is dumb

that this is the only other way to get unique tier II blessings

[neat stratus]

Yeah, 242 isn't godroll range

[torpid sundial]

like why not bump it up to tier 3

so lv30 characters can find it

at least finding a lv2 blessing costs less plasteel so its easier

[urban steppe]

veterans dreams become true

[torpid sundial]

scope? in 40k?

impossible

[urban steppe]

i mean sniper riffle

yeh

[torpid sundial]

give helbore a scope

[urban steppe]

its possible with heresy

[muted knot]

Yucky

[urban steppe]

take it

[torpid sundial]

im wet

[gaunt hinge]

true

[muted knot]

I hate those sights

They just feel wrong

[torpid sundial]

...okay man-stopper is way more of a pain

[urban steppe]

if you about mine , better than nothing lol . you need to wait years while FS give us that

but what i know they had a plan about sniper lasgun

[near igloo]

dude what?

tho im like really out of date on the lore so idk maybe

[languid terrace]

Plasma gun is available for guardsman too. But most guard hate plasma because it explode often, so they stick with las if they have a choice.

[muted knot]

Well plasmaguns aren't just normal trooper weapons

They are for specialists mainly

[gaunt hinge]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Ege7QPAwwrrRREvY.jpg

[muted knot]

I think it's in the files too

[gaunt hinge]

their latest guardsmen range has plasma and that one guy has a power sword

[muted knot]

It's an officer tho

[near igloo]

yeah that looks like command squad

with the power sword

[gaunt hinge]

well hes not a commissar now is he

[muted knot]

What

[near igloo]

he's responding to the original post

[idle carbon]

at least according to wahpedia, the standard guardsman infantry squad (as opposed to cadians) can have it's sergeant wield a power sword
though I don't know how up to date that site is

[muted knot]

Ahhhhh

Sorry

[idle carbon]

one of the cadian veterans in the command squad (not just the commander) can have a PS too

seeing those makes me want a single-edged power sword in darktide now

[muted knot]

But do they have to click their Powersword before every swing ?

[muted knot]

Weapon customization go brrrrrr

[idle carbon]

just not the same

[muted knot]

Fair enough

I made mine into a kind of Krieg officer saber

[languid terrace]

Plasma weapon is considered as "in common use" weapon for imperial guard.

[gaunt hinge]

look they even have Gets Hot!

[forest breach]

agreed, i dont like these space marine like baddles we have

[icy orchid]

what were the must have blessings for Helbores?

[languid terrace]

Which Helbore? But eveyone seems to like Onslaught.

[urban steppe]

mb it is but you cant use it

to add it in a mod

[celest vine]

But most guardsmen dont get secondaries

Lasgun and thats about it

Some melee weapon depending on their regiment

More likely to see them equipped with a plasma gun or melta more than anything

Melta gun when fatshark?

[languid terrace]

That is why they operate in squad. 1 weapon for 1 person.

[low yacht]

Just give the plasma gun a scope sniper rifle.

[celest vine]

Im gonna assume that when we talk anout the guard we mean cadians?

Im not wrong in using this as the base right?

[low yacht]

Literally snipe snipers across the map.

[low yacht]

Plasma just gets hot.

And overheats easily.

[celest vine]

So lasweapons

And a flamer, metlagun, and a plasma gun

[low yacht]

Plasma is good just.

[celest vine]

For anti fuck you weapons

[low yacht]

I want better power swords.

[languid terrace]

If you are a white shield, then las weapon only for you. If you are a proper guardsman, you will get variety of weapons in your squad.

[low yacht]

Or a power axe.

Power Axes are cool

Though zealot would probably get it.

I would want a melta bomb.

[languid terrace]

Speaking of sniper rifle...

[icy orchid]

thank you

[low yacht]

Don't need a sniper rifle if you have plasma.

The range of that gun is crazy.

[languid terrace]

Who wants needle sniper rifle?

[low yacht]

Bolt Rifles

[idle carbon]

a stub rifle would be interesting
get real old-school

we do see some of that in the gaunt's ghosts series, one of the settings I ended up liking the most
Straight Silver, on Aexe Cardinale

[low yacht]

Needle sniper rifles kinda suck against armored targets.

Not worth it.

It's stealth but it's very bad against flak.

There is absolution pattern sniper rifles.

Which is basically a regular sniper rifle, but it could probably take better rounds.

Absolution is probably viable but that's usually used by humans who aren't in the militarum.

Or ratlings.

[icy orchid]

just give me volkite and melta

[idle carbon]

how would you make the melta distinct from the plasma gun?

[icy orchid]

range?

melta having short range is like the one thing consistant in all depictions

[untold mulch]

Melta have very poor range

even heavy meltas have a pretty sad range of effect

[icy orchid]

also fuck this game for this, popped up AFTER I got it the hard way

[untold mulch]

whatver they hit is gone

[idle carbon]

of course, but if it's just got short range, then you'd just pick plasma any day of the week

[icy orchid]

I think the only melta weapon with decent range are the ones on titans

[idle carbon]

damage, rof, mag capacity, charge or ADS, etc.

[untold mulch]

I assume plasma is getting a bonk because rn is too braindead

[icy orchid]

I mean, tier wise, meltas will probably end up low C

[untold mulch]

Anywyas

[icy orchid]

but in terms of a damage spike, melta should be at the top

[untold mulch]

Imma be 100

I realyl don't give a fuck that weapons fill similar roles as long as they are good to play

[muted knot]

Yeah

No cleave I imagine

[icy orchid]

with only bosses being able to take more than 1 shot

[untold mulch]

Like plasma does that

Okay and?

🗿

[muted knot]

They are gonna give it to zealot tho

[untold mulch]

[icy orchid]

do not loose hope

[untold mulch]

Life is pain

[muted knot]

Like it's perfect

[icy orchid]

pray to the emperor

[muted knot]

A gun that melts anything short range

Fire and fury

[torpid sundial]

chainsword agrii bracedauto with weapon spec has been my most successful build so far

[icy orchid]

Zealots already have thunderhammers, idk why they need another anti tank weapon

[torpid sundial]

There's nothing like running straight into 30 gunners and cleaning them up one by one

[untold mulch]

What about 2nd antitank weapon

[muted knot]

They have a antitank melee

[idle carbon]

honestly, I'd personally expect melta to have the special cleave property that lets to go through carapace, and therefore lets it go through literally everything in it's short range
but you pay for it with poor ROF and small mag
you can charge the melta to give it an AOE shotgun effect like you see in the Space Marine and Boltgun games

[icy orchid]

ugh, just give vets volkite and grav guns

[untold mulch]

Hmmm I like it

[muted knot]

Grav

[untold mulch]

Get close to a Crusher rush

Melt

[muted knot]

I don't want any of that fancy shit before we have backpack fed weapons

[untold mulch]

Do I want them? Yes

but holy fucking shit the lore to give it to us

Also that

I need Hellgun

[icy orchid]

if a single krak grenade 1 shots ogryn enemies, meltas should delete patrols

give me a hosed hellgun

[muted knot]

Melta in scab only Maelstrom

[icy orchid]

become a gunner

[idle carbon]

with my idea, if you get close enough, it will lol

that shit one-shots terminators in some books

[muted knot]

As it should

[untold mulch]

HELL YEAH

[untold mulch]

Melta makes tanks become liquid

That shit is good

[wanton dawn]

Best i can do is twin smoke

[idle carbon]

long as the altfire AoE shotgun effect isn't just the main beam damage, low enough to kill any horde/bruiser enemy caught in it, but not elites
so you actually have to aim

[wanton dawn]

Take it or leave it

[untold mulch]

Beam can be the a

"ammo efficient"

and the charge aoe is the FUCK EVERYTHING

EMPEROR WITNESS ME

[muted knot]

Dumps your whole mag

[idle carbon]

my imagination has the charge shot merely add the AoE so you've got some utility with it facing mixed hordes
but the poor ROF and mag size keep it from dominating like the plasma

[muted knot]

I still wanna see more charge based weaponry, like the Powersword, give it a power cell that depletes with swings and recharges over time

Same thing with chainwepaons

Give me a fuel gage or something

[idle carbon]

reload your chainsword, trooper
cain does it, so can we

[celest vine]

Fartshart cant do hoses

Look at the krieg set

[muted knot]

Yeah

[cedar pecan]

what's the meta for vet boltguns rn

[celest vine]

Unironically

Drop it and use plasma

[cedar pecan]

oh then I'm already set

[celest vine]

Bolter isnt in a good spot on vet

[cedar pecan]

got this one rn

[celest vine]

Zealot yes cause thats their only option

[icy orchid]

I miss old 30 rounds bolters

[torpid sundial]

bolter's used to have 30 rounds? wtf

[languid terrace]

Bolter is still in the best spot in our heart.

[cedar pecan]

I like big, powerful guns but most rn are peashooters

[gusty bison]

Surgical + Pinning Fire

[cedar pecan]

lasgun was pretty dissappointing for me

[celest vine]

Should have 25 now

[gusty bison]

Bolter is fine

Like

Irs actually fine

Solid A tier gun

[icy orchid]

you used to get full reload on ability

[gusty bison]

Its just not braindead S tier gun

[celest vine]

High B

Its reserve ammo is a bit unfortunate

Hate being ammo gremlin

[gusty bison]

DMR bolter never needs ammo pickups thou

Or maybe like 1-2 tins

If ur team really isnt killing elites

You send 1 bullet out you get 1 back

plasma is the ammo hog

[languid terrace]

It is the best until you saw how slow and how often you have to reload it.

[celest vine]

Theres ways to speed it up

[gusty bison]

Once again dmr bolter only needs to reload once in a while

[celest vine]

I wouldnt call it once in a while

[gusty bison]

The reload is slow I agree

[celest vine]

Every 15 shots a new mag is needed

[gusty bison]

But you only need to reload once every 15 elites

Which is... fine?

[languid terrace]

And you can't do animation cancel like you do with plasma.

[celest vine]

Or if you take tht perk with the faster tactical reloads and volley adept

Thats 50% faster reloads

[gusty bison]

You can do that too

I just dont bother cos I usually find that bolter ammo lasts long enough

[celest vine]

Its tank busting is unmatched

[gusty bison]

Cos its a 1 shot 1 kill gun vs most elites

[old quail]

i reload once every 0 elites because i magdump poxwalkers

[gusty bison]

Lel

[old quail]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[celest vine]

I magdump the plauge ogryn in the back

[old quail]

bolter should get raking fire

[gusty bison]

Tbf magdumping bosses is fine

[celest vine]

Speesh marin

[icy orchid]

bolters are low B at best

[celest vine]

Infantry lasguns are more versatile

[gusty bison]

I las?

Infantry lasguns?

[celest vine]

Offer different perk setups too

[gusty bison]

Ya serious?

[celest vine]

Yes?

[gusty bison]

Infantry lasguns are like

Above recon

[celest vine]

Just cause you never use them doesnt make them bad

[gusty bison]

Thats where they sit

No like atm they have serious issues

MG1a can make it into low A i think

MG4 only if u use full auto

[celest vine]

One hit headshot everything short a mauler

[gusty bison]

And MG12 is a solid C

[gusty bison]

Vraks does this

[icy orchid]

what?

[celest vine]

And zero ammo use

[gusty bison]

Bolter does this. Vraks does this.

Helbore

Like

[celest vine]

Shocktrooper its literally no ammo

[gusty bison]

0 ammo picked up is 0 ammo picked up

[icy orchid]

infantry lasgun are high A

[gusty bison]

Ya cant get any lower

[celest vine]

Lucius is janky and terrible sights

[gusty bison]

Lol

[muted knot]

Hellbore gang

[celest vine]

Hits like a truck yes

[gusty bison]

I Las is janky and terrible sights

[muted knot]

Skissue

[gusty bison]

Cos the sights lie to you

[icy orchid]

mk12 has best sights

[gusty bison]

The iLas does not shoot where the sights tell u it does

[celest vine]

Swap speed be like

[muted knot]

(no offense I mod the sights too )

[muted knot]

You can almost reload a bolter in the time it's pulled out

[gusty bison]

Like thats a fundamental issue with the iLas

[celest vine]

The best sniper by default

[muted knot]

It's what I run on the hellbores for obvious reasons

[gusty bison]

The sights are garbage

Cos they are off

[muted knot]

Not on first shot

[vernal harbor]

"close damage" "close range damge" go to hell darktide

[gusty bison]

Yes if ur dodging

[muted knot]

What

Since when

[gusty bison]

Yep

Since always

[celest vine]

If its not bright enough you cant even see Mk1 and 2 sights

[gusty bison]

The iLas has horrific stability

[celest vine]

I think thats a bigger issue

[muted knot]

Is that why I miss so much when dodging ?

[gusty bison]

This is fine

[gusty bison]

Yes

[muted knot]

Wooooow

[celest vine]

You take deadshot and its fixed

[muted knot]

The more you know

[gusty bison]

Thats a fundamental issue with the iLas

[gusty bison]

Its not

Its still off

[muted knot]

Deadshot feels whack to me

[celest vine]

I only use the lasgun

Its not a big deal

[gusty bison]

Also suppression immunity is mandatory on iLas

[celest vine]

Insta swap to ding the bomber

[gusty bison]

Cos suppression also throws the sights off

Actually

Anything that causes the sights to shake even a little bit on the iLas

Throws it off

[celest vine]

Youre supposed to take supression immunity and deadshot with the infantry las

[old quail]

its immersive

if u think about it

[gusty bison]

And never dodge?

[old quail]

brunt gets us this dogshit equipment

i need the sights to be terrible

[icy orchid]

that just sounds like a skill issue?

[gusty bison]

Dodging still throws the sights off even with deadshot

[celest vine]

You can dodge I do it all the time

[icy orchid]

you compensate

[gusty bison]

Not being able to use helbore sights sounds like a bigger skill issue then

[celest vine]

Not even

[gusty bison]

Since well

The sway is random

Enjoy compensating for unknown randoness

[celest vine]

Like?

[old quail]

crosshair remap my beloved

[icy orchid]

I don't use a helbore

[gusty bison]

Yea thats the main way

But urgh

[celest vine]

I use literally this gun almost exclusively, I have never encountered these dodge issues

[gusty bison]

Kekrat

Thats why u dont recognize them

Its dodge is worst in class

[celest vine]

So I got good

[gusty bison]

But u dont know its worst in class

[muted knot]

What for ?

[icy orchid]

You really think the mk12 lasgun is worst in clase?

[gusty bison]

Right above recon

Its not as bad as recon

But yes

Its down there

[celest vine]

MG1A is high A

[gusty bison]

Ya can be serious

[celest vine]

So much more versatile than every lasgun

[gusty bison]

Ur putting thr MG1A above the bolter

[celest vine]

Yes

[gusty bison]

When the bolter is a better MG1a

[celest vine]

Unironically