veteran-class

[terse idol]

Brown sugar is technically better for you

[jovial aurora]

I think whole wheat is good

[serene sage]

wheat bread is good if you are health conscious
but just eat normal bread with a healthy dose of greens

[frank ether]

I mean its better than the regular crap but carbs are carbs in the end

[gusty bison]

Normal bread is fine ye

[frank ether]

good thing about it is it keeps you full for longer though

[gusty bison]

Its at least starch and not just sugar

[frank ether]

even when eating less of it

[frank basin]

Organic food like bribing FDA violation produce foods. And sell inflation price

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[terse idol]

Doesn't even normal bread have some sugar

[frank ether]

yea, it does

[gusty bison]

Depends

[terse idol]

Which I'd okiie

[gusty bison]

Yeast risen definitely

[terse idol]

Yeahh

[gusty bison]

Baking soda u can make without

[frank ether]

at least bread here mostly does

[terse idol]

I mean again it does go back to you need sugar

[frank ether]

Idk your country may differ

[serene sage]

honestly a lot of it is about how much you eat rather than what you eat
because as much as you want to rag on about it, American food is good enough most of the times in term of macro/micro

people just have way too much of it

[gusty bison]

U need carbs tbf

Like starch breaks down to sugar

[frank basin]

I had too much carb in my blood last time

[gusty bison]

The balance is also off tbf

[frank ether]

Thats true but I think there is some truth to some foods causing addiction in people because of how it interacts with blood sugar or brain

too many ppl seem to struggle with it

[gusty bison]

Not enough dietary fibre, not enough greens

[terse idol]

To ne fair you gotta have alot of sugar to get addicted to sugar

[agile yew]

Leveling Veteran and honestly i have no idea what im doing with my talentree, guess it doesnt matter as leveling still easy

[gusty bison]

Yep just keep goin and experimenting

[frank ether]

experiment with it, hard to go wrong once you get an aura and ability

[gusty bison]

Yea

[serene sage]

i resort to oatmeals (steel cut) for my fibers the problem with greens in the US is that it's expensive and they come in massive proportions that you can't have at once
and veggies rot quickly

[modest sapphire]

Just go straight down the middle if you want the easiest experience until 30

[gusty bison]

Urrrrrgh

I dont get why greens in US are so expensive

Its ridiculous

[frank basin]

Fertilizer and pesticides

[modest sapphire]

Buy frozen

[gusty bison]

Greens are supposed to be the cheap one

[agile yew]

Gone 1-1-2-3 so far

[frank basin]

All those green fed to cow now

[serene sage]

I have, but they don't taste as good

I know they are more or less just as healthy

[gusty bison]

Fresh veggies taste great ye

[vernal harbor]

dropping my intake to literally 1,200 calories a day shaved off 50lbs last year, foods shit

[modest sapphire]

lol I eat them for texture and vitamins, not taste

[frank basin]

Like all vegetables feed to lives stock and they overcharge the vegetables

[modest sapphire]

I eat paint chips for taste

[serene sage]

how are you getting textures with frozen veggies my friend

[frank basin]

And meat sell cheap

[frank ether]

greens and fiber rich stuff are dirt cheap here compared to meat

carbs are even cheaper though

[serene sage]

my frozen shit turns into mush when I cook em

[gusty bison]

Carbs are always cheep ye

[frank ether]

most ppl in my country are fatsos because they eat shitty carbs

[serene sage]

exaggeration but they are mushy

[frank ether]

its cultural at this point

[gusty bison]

Add sawdust. Duh

[modest sapphire]

They thaw when cooked? Not like they’re mushy

[terse idol]

It depends supply chain and delivery stuff do make veggies more expensive

[frank basin]

Have you defrost them?

[frank ether]

people think eating carbs is a good diet unironically

[terse idol]

Well

[frank ether]

mfs eating bread with rice

[terse idol]

You want some carbs

[frank ether]

wondering why they look like a drum about to burst

[gusty bison]

Lol

[frank basin]

As Asian I have rice cooker at home

[terse idol]

😌

[serene sage]

fuck you, I like my burritos

the only acceptable rice on bread meal

[modest sapphire]

As broke I have rice cooker at home

Also rice doesn’t get old for me

[serene bough]

is a tortilla even considered bread

[frank basin]

Rice is great storing long term

[serene sage]

as a normal human being i have a rice cooker at home

[modest sapphire]

It can be a vegetable

[serene bough]

i thought there was a specific distinction between a loaf of bread and tortilla

[gusty bison]

As a rice cooker I have an Asian at home

[serene sage]

i feel like rice is a universal food now, same with spaghetti

[terse idol]

The rice weevils when they

👃

[frank basin]

In Texas?

[serene bough]

I dont like rice as much as i do pasta and bread

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/weevil-weevil-moment-weevils-beetles-weevil-time-gif-8723335033387059269

[gusty bison]

Its cheap. Tastes good. Stores long

[modest sapphire]

As a home I have an Asian at rice cooker

[terse idol]

I mean if you store your rice at a high temperature

Like some rice just

[serene sage]

As an Asian, I have an Asian at home

[frank ether]

isnt burritos kinda like doner kebab? meat and veggies wrapped with lean bread

[serene sage]

[terse idol]

Have rice weevil eggs

In them

[frank basin]

Is cold in this winter

I means spring

[gusty bison]

As a rice I have an Asian cooker at home

[terse idol]

Cause I can assure you there are no native weevils in canada

Yeah

[serene sage]

yeah it's tortilla (corn bread) with rice, beans, meat, veggies, and cheese

[frank ether]

I mean it doesnt sound too bad as far as fast food goes

assuming its not swimming in oil

[terse idol]

No but yeah you're right

[modest sapphire]

I am a machine that turns Taco Bell bean and cheese burritos into diarrhea 🇺🇸

[serene sage]

nope, it's mexican

[terse idol]

Rice does store a while

[gusty bison]

The issue is well

[serene sage]

it's just a lot of carbs

[gusty bison]

Cheese and sourcream

Way too much cheese and sourcream

[frank basin]

Mine rice are designated for diabetic

[frank ether]

Man I miss uni now

had a kebab shop not too far from home

was really good

no added bs

just meat and veggies

[gusty bison]

I wonder if cauliflower rice works in burritos

I wanna say yes

[frank basin]

You like falafel?

Crunchy

[serene bough]

falafel is okay

[frank ether]

Ppl keep hyping it up but the funny thing is I think cauliflowers taste fine in a stew

[frank basin]

Deep fried bean paste

[gusty bison]

They deffondo

[serene bough]

cauliflower is trash

[frank ether]

with some carrots and peas and a little touch of olive oil

[serene bough]

its just a filler w/ no flavor

[gusty bison]

Cauliflower tastes good as a base

[serene bough]

eat brocolli

[frank basin]

I eat both

[gusty bison]

Like add a sauce or a stew or something on top

And it soaks up the flavour

[serene bough]

i tried to like cauliflower but i havent found a way yet

I havent tried the stew strat yet

i usually use taters for stew

[gusty bison]

Cauliflower needs something to give it taste

[serene bough]

hmmmmm

[serene sage]

Put an egg on it

Egg can go on everything

[gusty bison]

Ive put cauliflower in curry

It works

[frank basin]

Try Chinese cauliflower

[serene bough]

but like

[gusty bison]

Ive had it with a roast

[frank basin]

Cauliflower sautéed with shrimp

[serene bough]

doesn't it seem weird that its just a flavorless veggie that you need to add flavor to in order to make good

[gusty bison]

I mean

[serene bough]

as opposed to a veggie with flavor that compliments an added component

[gusty bison]

Rice is flavourless until u put something on top ofnit

[frank basin]

Is the texture for cauliflower

[serene bough]

true

[frank basin]

Cauliflower are crusty

[gusty bison]

The texture is good for cauliflower

[frank basin]

Which I like it

[gusty bison]

Esp cos u can get many diff textures out of it

Depending on how u cook it

[frank basin]

Broccoli when cook is mushed up

Cauliflower stay same texture

Boiling is different story

[zealous wyvern]

i love buying frozen spinach and salmon, some garlic or garlic powder if you need it to last long

and some lemon extract

its very taste

and healthy

[serene bough]

im not good with cooking vegetables

[zealous wyvern]

you just put it all in an ovenpan for 30 minutes or something and boom delicious dinner

[frank ether]

its really fun once you get into it

[zealous wyvern]

and it all lasts for ages

can portion it yourself too

[serene bough]

its difficult and im not sure how to do it

which sounds really dumb but

[zealous wyvern]

cooking vegetables is very basic

but you need to know how to do it

[frank basin]

Vegetables cook longer

Than meat

[zealous wyvern]

and nowadays if your mom doesnt teach you cooking noone will

[frank basin]

I self taught cooking

[zealous wyvern]

yes you can do that of course

[frank basin]

I made cheese soup with shrimp

[zealous wyvern]

but thats noone else teaching you

[serene bough]

yeah i moved out years ago

[zealous wyvern]

thats you teaching yourself

[serene bough]

mom aint gonna teach me nothin any time soon

[frank ether]

my family did fugg all to teach me good food habits

[zealous wyvern]

which is why ppl have the impression that cooking vegetables is difficult

[frank basin]

Go visit her and ask her teach you to cook

[zealous wyvern]

its so easy but people just dont learn it anymore

[frank basin]

Cooking is just chemistry

[serene bough]

yes it is

[zealous wyvern]

that does not help

at all

chemistry is a dreaded subject for many

saying its just chemistry really doesnt make it sound any easier

[frank basin]

Is a simple chemistry not math chemistry

[serene bough]

cooking and chemistry are unironically very similar though

[zealous wyvern]

although you are pretty correct

[terse idol]

Well to be fair, we're lucky to have the internet to leearn

[frank ether]

Its really not that difficult

[serene bough]

in regards to ratios and stoichiometry, time, technique, etc.

[zealous wyvern]

but isnt it more than chemistry?

[zealous wyvern]

yeah thats how to selfteach

[terse idol]

Yes being on ground 0 is best

[frank ether]

making veggie soup/stew is as simple as chopping veggies and throwing it in a pot with water

[frank basin]

I mistake use plastic spoon scoop hot sugar caused melted downs

[zealous wyvern]

wouldnt cooking be both chemistry and physics?

[terse idol]

Well cooking is less chemistry kinda
Baking is all chemistry

[serene bough]

chemistry involves a lot of physics

[zealous wyvern]

im pretty sure some stuff isnt chemistry

[frank basin]

That’s chemistry when I try make Flan cake

[serene bough]

theoretical and physical physics at least

[zealous wyvern]

heating up water is no chemistry

[terse idol]

Since things change really fast depending on a thousand factors

[zealous wyvern]

heating up water is physics right?

[serene bough]

i dont agree i think they're pretty similar

[zealous wyvern]

unless you evaporise it then its chemistry

idk

[terse idol]

It is changing some of that water to steam

[zealous wyvern]

i was always unsure where the line is

[serene bough]

its more than just doing reactions its also about technique

[zealous wyvern]

between chemistry and physics

[terse idol]

Hmm, you can usually eyeball a recipe and put unprescise ingredients in

[serene bough]

(i love chemistry so im kind of partial in this discussion)

[zealous wyvern]

arent they always mixed?

like honestly

any physical process has chemistry right?

[terse idol]

You mess up that ratio with baking its gonna turn out very different

[zealous wyvern]

and any chemical process has physics

[frank basin]

Follow the feeling how the food taste by how much you add volume of seasonal flavor

[serene bough]

they're both core sciences, so a lot of concepts from physics and chemistry can be interchangable, but the distinction is usually in the kinds of work/experiment the scientist is preforming

[zealous wyvern]

im pretty sure things like heat and conductivity and gravity are physics while things like rearranged molcecules and bonds are chemistry

[serene bough]

like you mentioned, boiling water is physics and thermodynamics, but thermodynamics is used often in chemistry

[frank basin]

Oh great from cooking to chemistry discussion

[zealous wyvern]

you had to say it

[terse idol]

Well chemistry also talks about chemical reactions too, mixing two chemicals that cause a reaction

That happens alot in cookin

[serene bough]

because cooking is indeed chemistry

[zealous wyvern]

anyway cooking veggies is something that nothing ever shows you until you look it up online nowadays

[serene bough]

food science is a discipline afterall

[zealous wyvern]

because children dont learn how to cook

unless theyre lucky

[serene bough]

sorry, we can go back to food

[frank basin]

Can you fry an egg?

[serene bough]

yes

[wary galleon]

the science of foods i partake can be visualized with a pig in a blanket

[serene bough]

actually cooking an egg is harder than people give credit for

it's one of the first things people teach in cooking classes

[inland orchid]

[wary galleon]

9mins boiling water

[frank basin]

Start fry an egg

[inland orchid]

I find it quite easy

[serene bough]

it's technique is very basic, but so many people make trash eggs

bc its overcooked or dried out and not very appetizing

[inland orchid]

People be forgetting bout seasoning too, can’t have just egg on the pan after u oiled it up

[frank basin]

My first step cooking is boil the egg

And also fry the egg

[serene sage]

I make good crispy fried eggs

[wary galleon]

i never make simple eggs. always scrambled

[serene bough]

ive stopped eating eggs recently

i only have a piece of fruit for breakfast now

[inland orchid]

My man

[wary galleon]

how come?

[serene sage]

Egg is my favorite food

[serene bough]

Ive lost the appetite for egg

[serene sage]

Hands down

[wary galleon]

understandable and fair

[serene bough]

when i was bulking years ago i used to stomach so many eggs

now the taste is somewhat offputting to me

[solid gull]

Scrambled is superior

[serene sage]

I can't imagine a future where I'm not having eggs

[wary galleon]

i still love eggs but i dont eat eggs religiously like i did on keto

[frank basin]

Add salt and pepper on scramble egg

[serene bough]

I dont dislike eggs I eat them once in a while

[wary galleon]

put that shit in a bowl and mix a lil bit of soy sauce for some extra and put other seasoning in it. taste delicious!

[frank basin]

You could start boil the egg first stepping stone

[serene sage]

I used to drink a massive shake with olive oil

Every night

[wary galleon]

i cant understand how people do that

[inland orchid]

Dope suggestion I’ll try it out next time I’m fucking around in the kitchen

[wary galleon]

eggs are so slimey D:

[frank basin]

I tried raw egg too

[serene sage]

When you're 110lbs trying to be better

You go for the extreme

[modest sapphire]

no

[frank basin]

Lmao

[serene bough]

i prefer fruits nowadays

[wary galleon]

i usually put paprika in as well, maybe even like a tiny sprinkle of sugar just to tease the tongue. works so well with bacon

[serene bough]

i like eggs in ramen

[serene sage]

Very based take

[serene bough]

it was a struggle gaining weight

[wary galleon]

ah i see, thats understandable.

[serene bough]

i was eatin a disgusting amount of food too

[frank basin]

Making ramen look simple for you, you can cook something too

[serene bough]

I was also a string bean back then

[wary galleon]

fair, i was the opposite.

[serene sage]

I'm like 150 now, perfect BMI, just not enough muscle

[modest sapphire]

BMI is stupid

[serene bough]

im not that very good of a home chef yet I don't have a lot of time lately to be home and cooking

[wary galleon]

150 bmi

[modest sapphire]

Outdated

[wary galleon]

YE LOIKE A STIK SON

[serene bough]

but i do eventually wnat to experiment with differnet kind of brothy meals like stew and ramen

[frank basin]

At least ramen is something you can do

[wary galleon]

EET SOEM RATION

[serene bough]

true

[wary galleon]

i cant eat ramen anymore

[serene sage]

It's not the end all be all
It's an indicator

[wary galleon]

japan ruined me

[frank basin]

You can risk try fry ramen

[modest sapphire]

weak indicator

[frank basin]

Stir fry ramen

[serene sage]

Try dry ramen with crispy fried eggs and shrimp

[serene bough]

japanese ramen & american japanese ramen are different for sure, at least ive been told this

[wary galleon]

you mean stir fry noodles?

[frank basin]

Yes…

[modest sapphire]

only indicators that matter. 1. can you walk up stairs without getting winded 2. are you content with your appearance

[wary galleon]

i mean its... ramen is a soup

[serene bough]

que

[wary galleon]

just why im curious

[serene bough]

dry ramen?

[wary galleon]

im confused xD

[frank basin]

Like no broth

Dry ramen

[wary galleon]

ah i would not call it ramen then

[serene bough]

ive never tried this

[frank basin]

Is just remove water after you cook noodle

[serene bough]

i see

[wary galleon]

thats what i usually do if i want noodles

fry em with my veggies and meat

[inland orchid]

But all the ramen juices

[frank basin]

I like dry noodles

[serene bough]

ok i must go back to work

goodbye vet chat

[frank basin]

Mixing with seasonal powder

[serene sage]

I guess it's just instant noodle but you cook it in little water, put the seasoning in, swirl it around a little and then dump the water

So you get less sodium

And the food taste savory still

[frank basin]

Sodium chlorine

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-sodium-chloride-cloruro-de-sodio-hmm-thinking-gif-17745370

[wary galleon]

MSG, Dark soy + light Soy, Fish sauce, Garlic, salt, lemon pepper, sugar. and peanut oil 🤤

[frank basin]

God

That’s a lot

I can’t tell the taste

Sugah

[serene sage]

I wouldn't mix soy sauce and fish sauce

Just my 2 cents

[wary galleon]

how come?

oh sorry mb it was oyster sauce

if that makes a difference

[serene sage]

It does

I'm Vietnamese, so fish sauce is kinda our thing and we never mix soy and fish

We just don't

But you do you

[frank basin]

Yo I’m 🇻🇳

[wary galleon]

ah fair. idk why but fair

[serene sage]

I know

[frank basin]

How you knew?

Did I told you?

[serene sage]

Yeah. Idk either, I think it tastes bad personally

[wary galleon]

when i tried thiese two together my mind absolutely blew

[serene sage]

No but I can tell

[wary galleon]

big coom

[frank basin]

Oyster sauce good

I use mix with dry noodles

Sodium starch something and soy sauce

Sesames seeds

Man I’m unmotivated to cook

Sadness

[serene sage]

you mentioned you used to be in SEA, or has heritage there but you are a lot more familar with East Asian food
so that means you're either Viet or Singaporean
but Singaporeans almost never leave their country so yo must be Viet

[frank basin]

My mom hate the government

[crude ermine]

Eugh, my throat feels salty

[frank basin]

We moved out

[crude ermine]

I didn't even eat the road salt

[wary galleon]

this. i loove good food.
but i just dont have the energy and money to make what i want really.

[serene sage]

try ceiling popcorn

[frank basin]

My brother used to make good stuff like buttered lobster tails with lemon juice

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-have-some-salt-charlie-day-gif-5762228

[wary galleon]

oh god pls lets switch brothers. mine only makes dad jokes and ignores my existence

that sounds absolutely heaven!

[severe epoch]

Your brothers your dad

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-soldier-boy-american-soldier-usa-soldier-dancing-soldier-gif-15178181247543010645

[muted knot]

Sweet Home alabama

[verbal raft]

Good day fellow troops

[serene sage]

hmm not sure how that works

[frank basin]

He’s also cynical and somewhat asshat

That’s downside

[wary galleon]

ah sad

[frank basin]

He usually isolate himself and busy school

He yell telling fuck off

[muted knot]

Wdym its not that complex

[gusty bison]

• Singaporeans never leave their country

[serene sage]

no im trying to find out the mechanic for your brother to be your dad

[gusty bison]

squint

[serene sage]

in the emigration sense

not travelling sense

[wary galleon]

that sucks, wish we both had better relationships with our brothers 😔

[gusty bison]

Ah fair

Does education count?

[inland orchid]

I don’t got a brother just 2 sisters

[frank basin]

Your brother telling dad joke is least annoying, and mine just depressive asf

[frank basin]

Step

[wary galleon]

IIRC most asians dont leave their country no?

[inland orchid]

No half sisters

[serene sage]

honestly idk, though I have never seen a singaporean in my college or grad school

[inland orchid]

Same mom diff dads

[frank basin]

I see

[gusty bison]

My college had a disproportionate number of singaporeans

[serene sage]

which country

[gusty bison]

US

[serene sage]

huh

same but I've never seen one

[gusty bison]

Like ok its only 19 in my year

But still

19

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-pilotredsun-i-have3weeks-to-live-grinch-dance-dancing-gif-25291875

[serene sage]

19 is a lot

[gusty bison]

Ye

[serene sage]

then again I guess I went to a liberal art school in the Midwest

so that certainly affects the student body

[green depot]

Anybody know of a good burst fire auto gun? Been meaning to try one but I don't wanna guess and end up blowing my money

[serene sage]

burst fire or automatic

cause I don't think any autogun has a burst fire mode

[gusty bison]

My friend's college had like

10

[muted knot]

The MK3 headhunter

[gusty bison]

Tru

[green depot]

Thanks

[gusty bison]

At least it aint the UK

I know some UK schools with

Get this

47

[serene sage]

I bet Australia has higher even

cause, y'know, Pan Pacific

[sturdy crow]

Hello fellow veterans, how do you do today? Can anyone tell me which mk of shovel I can use to do big crusher damage??

[wary galleon]

DA BLEW ONE

[sturdy crow]

BLUE OKAY THANKS

Blessings tho?

[wary galleon]

IS DA BEST ONE

[gusty bison]

Less actually

Than UK

[serene sage]

im surprised

[gusty bison]

The the other way usually

Australians go to singapore

[wary galleon]

hmm idk whats considered best, but i use skull crusher and...Trauma

[gusty bison]

For study

[wary galleon]

think thrust might be better if you want high single target dmg

[sturdy crow]

I kinda want to use it for some horde sweeping too, does it have brutal momentum?

[wise fossil]

Uncanny strike is great. Against crushers too

[sturdy crow]

The shovel has uncanny strike? Nice

Let's watch Hadron ruin it

[wise fossil]

As of last night i'm now a fan of Take a Swing as well

[sturdy crow]

Oh hey take a swing looks pretty interesting and it's definitely salvagable

Not today, Hadron

[wise fossil]

Extra crit chance is interesting for bottom right tree

[sturdy crow]

Yeah I'm going for a specialist build

Hmm, don't have that many shovel blessings

thrust 3, uncanny 3 or skullcrusher 4?

[gusty bison]

Thrust and uncanny is the meta

Fwiw

[wise fossil]

I think uncanny is best but thrust is good if you heavy often

[sturdy crow]

I'll go for uncanny then, I don't really like using thrust

[gusty bison]

Thrust is good if u special often

[wise fossil]

Also true

[sturdy crow]

I'll go for uncanny and we'll see

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-bourne-bourne-bourne-gi-fs-matt-damon-gif-5687708

mumbling

[neat stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979600145022849064/1090075084225523822/image1-1-1.gif

[tall torrent]

TAS mk7 is pretty good

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-mike-ehrmantraut-marmok-gif-15491755101192661700

ive been online for twelve hours nursing my sick dog

[crude ermine]

I hope your dog recovers well

[vernal harbor]

100% my IQ dipped from this exposire

shes fine now and i can finally bounce my head off the ground

[crude ermine]

Good

[wise fossil]

Honestly standard issue too

[tall torrent]

Yea standard issue best combo is uncanny + take a swing imo

[sullen scarab]

I'm trying to run melee veteran with revolver and the rashad II combat axe but I always have problems without running Determined, I can't shoot at gunners since I have the shaky arms, not sure what to drop for it lol

[next slate]

shoot first

[finite imp]

OKAY I PULL UP

HOP OUT AT THE AFTA PAAARTY

[wicked zenith]

Honestly I never got the meta, I can never get gear that is "meta"

[finite imp]

What do you consider meta

[sullen scarab]

I really want to grab Determined so I don't have suppression but man what do I drop for that 1 point lol

[finite imp]

After a certain point meta becomes subjective

[next slate]

tbf it’s not something you really need to focus on

you can often get by with whatever you find fun

[wicked zenith]

I consider it whatever the current fotm is,

[finite imp]

flavour of the month?

[candid bridge]

Flavor of the mouth actually

[finite imp]

imo all that time you spend looking for the perfect whatever is time you could spend improving with what you have

[wicked zenith]

The only 2 decent melee weapons on vet I have found.

[finite imp]

i only recently got a godroll revolver

my main weapon

[finite imp]

bro how much better do they need to be??

[wicked zenith]

I didn't say better, I said meta.

[finite imp]

two level 4 blessings and good perks

[finite imp]

as far as chjaxes and chords go those are pretty meta

[wicked zenith]

I have that pretty much on every class something like that, but none of the Meta ones. I have a literal perfect on a psycher.

[finite imp]

What is meta to you

[wicked zenith]

Meta is whatever everyone is using/says is the current best overall option at the current patch

[finite imp]

your standards sound mindbreakingly high

[finite imp]

wat

it's what everyone ELSE is telling you is good?

numbers cat dookies on my knives all day long but I love the knife

the true meta is what you LOVE

it comes from yOU

[wicked zenith]

I don't code nor have the ablity to test everything for best optizimation

[finite imp]

you're going to underperform with a weapon you don't like

[wicked zenith]

The literal perfect,

[finite imp]

wouldn't have picked crit chance personally

[gusty bison]

Whatever people say isnt the best atm

Its the easiest

[neat stratus]

It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen

[gusty bison]

Lel

[finite imp]

that is a nice sword tho

[neat stratus]

Not in being meta per se but literally every stat, every perk, and every blessing is just perfectly aligned

[finite imp]

i mean you're asking for a one in a million weapon

[wicked zenith]

@finite imp It's really only used for Orgyns and Bosses, the rest die to 550 Void, or Purg staff. I got over 1k hours atm.

[finite imp]

i feel like at a certain point that's going to stop being fun

[neat stratus]

No odd numbers in modifiers, perks and blessings are all level 4, god damn

[finite imp]

1k hours is intense

[finite imp]

i can see why you're looking for weapons like that

there's nowhere else for you to go

[wicked zenith]

Cept that dumb achievement to do 10 auric Missions without going down once. (Well it doesn't have to be Auric, but I only do Auris since it released besides the special twins boss on 5)

[finite imp]

what happens when you have perfect everything

[gusty bison]

Ngl i wouldnt chase meta at this point

The meta is always the most braindead

Mindnumbing build

That often isnt even the most powerful or strongest

[wicked zenith]

No generally it isn't, It's generally the most successful with average skill level. Glass-canon builds are insane but go down quick.

[gusty bison]

Lots of good builda arent glass cannon on vet

They just require half a brain cell

[serene sage]

21st regiment looking good

[gusty bison]

The meta build at is literally the laziest build

[wicked zenith]

No I agree, just the "Most powerful" builds are. I can build a sniper that can one-shot everything but mauler (2 tap), but I die in 1.2 second to any random poxer.

[gusty bison]

I mean u can nake a build that does that and doesnt die to 1.2s to a poxer though

In fact it has one of the strongest tou regens in the game

[wicked zenith]

I do, I run it mostly. Just showing the difference between Most powerful and meta

[gusty bison]

Meta is plasma gun

Cos apparently 5 cleave is too little

Lmao

Its not even more durable

Its just lazier

[paper furnace]

simple is strong amid all the chaos that can hit you in the missions. however all the strongest options are ALSO the simplest. it's a shame that the more complicated weapons and builds are struggling to keep up with just unloading on everything in sight with almost zero resource lost.

[gusty bison]

I would agree if it wasnt for the P13 revolver meta. People 100% can run the revolver fine. It was busted back then and then FS buffed it again.

But now plasma is dominant cos god forbid actually needing to think

Lmao

[wicked zenith]

My typical

3 x 17% toughness -20% gunner x3 10 ordo docs x3 15% sniper 4% cooldown rd 15% bomber are the curios

250 toughness 158 health

[gusty bison]

Wait

U bypassed reciprocity?

Also no deadshot on bolter but i guess cos u arent running stam curios

Interesting that u didnt take OfB

[wicked zenith]

Bolter is only used for orgyns

or mauler packs

[gusty bison]

Why shattering impact

Couldnt find surgical or cavalcade?

[wicked zenith]

Not on something with devent stat rolls

[gusty bison]

Tbf stat rolls on bolter barely matter

Like 4/5 are dumpable

Only one that actually matters is damage

Reload speed is nice thou

As is stability

[jovial aurora]

Surgical would be garbage for how he's using it

[gusty bison]

Cavalcade is the second option i mentioned

Although ngl

Cav bolter is better on lot

[jovial aurora]

I don't mind bolter gameplay it's just not amazing for mitigating shooters

[gusty bison]

But its a typical melee only vet build

So

[wicked zenith]

That partially the reason for -20% gunner x 3

[fresh grail]

We finally found it; the weapon to surpass Metal Gear

[serene sage]

lmao I assumed you blocked me but in case you didn't
the offer is still up. I was constantly online one hour before you typed this, you never said anything
I waited for an hour for you to say anything in this chat but I guess not. we were all wondering if you dipped, which you did.
if you wanted to move to DM then you could have told me, or ping me.
instead you waited for me to get offline an hour later and say this (without even trying to ping) to save face

I'm free this weekend if you want to continue this bet. All deals will be made in public here in vet chat so I have witnesses since I don't trust your lying ass.

[wooden lotus]

fgc-esque darktide money match

[fresh grail]

Vet chat drama lore goes deep 😓

[serene sage]

I mean dude acted like I flaked when 5 people in the chat was constantly typing at the time for an hour

wondering if he actually wants to try

[wicked zenith]

Yeah, I recall a time when Bolter and powersword was the only thing we supposed used and I could never get a sword (never did), Got a bolter after the nerf.

[fresh grail]

Yeah if he adressed you directly (which he did by the sounds of that comment) i'd reply to it too

[serene sage]

then he waited for the moment I leave to say this shit

[fresh grail]

Bolter will be good again in the future, we just have to pray to the fatshark

soon™️

[torpid sundial]

whats the tldr on the bet

[wicked zenith]

This is what I was stuck using back then lol

[serene bough]

y

[hoary stratus]

bolter was not buffed today. tomorrow for sure

[serene bough]

no need to fight, see heretic blast heretic

[terse idol]

Balance talk is too annoying

[wicked zenith]

Without Balance you crawl around like Nurgle filth.

[serene sage]

something something put your money where your mouth is

[serene bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

[jovial aurora]

Correct if im wrong but Gunner specifically has some pretty massive diminishing returns doesn't it?

[torpid sundial]

around 50% with all three

[wicked zenith]

All of them do

[jovial aurora]

Idk i just remember reading on here that it's only worth having 2 cuz it's like 44 percent compared to 50

[torpid sundial]

take whatever you think threatens you the most tbh

[jovial aurora]

I'm a big fan of one bomber flamer and sniper lol

[wicked zenith]

same with sniper, but gunners were more dangerous than snipers, and bomber/flamer was pointless when those were made

[wooden lotus]

all damage reductions have diminishing returns so it's matter of if you want the extra damage reduction that much

[wicked zenith]

Back when they were made insta 0 toughness from bombers/flamers this was prior to auric even

[torpid sundial]

wait does flamer include the ground flames as well

[fresh grail]

for sure, depends on the person with what they get hit by the most.
Though gunner resistance is quite universal

[jovial aurora]

I believe if they come from the flamer yes

[torpid sundial]

oh boy

[jovial aurora]

Same with bomber flames from the bomber

[wicked zenith]

It use to only count the kick they did

[jovial aurora]

Lmao wtf

[wicked zenith]

Which why in gods name are they kicking you.

[fresh grail]

That was a confirmed bug last patch indeed, but i'm not sure if they fixed it yet

[serene sage]

Tanner said Revolver is B tier
The deal is that I play with him and his friends for a game
They will be using grey guns, I will use Revolver
As long as I don't bottom frag, I win. Otherwise, he wins.
$50.

[jovial aurora]

I run 3 of each for the meme on my ogryn and shit barely tickles him

[wicked zenith]

It was also changed that fire doesn't remove all toughness. Any fire use to instantly drain all toughness

[jovial aurora]

[fresh grail]

Those few days where they said they 'fixed' fire but instead made it even more dangerous

[torpid sundial]

even without rending revolver one shots everything in the game on the head so I don't think you can be bottom frag thaaat easily with a good melee waveclear

[jovial aurora]

I'm just glad they fixed the bombs from last patch, shit was aids

[torpid sundial]

I mean except the carapace enemies

[wooden lotus]

it doesn't one-shot crushers without building towards it but tanner's made a salient point before in which two/three shotting crushers aren't too big a deal

or jsut run power sword lol

[torpid sundial]

mhm

[wicked zenith]

You mean the literal 1 enemy that is caraspace unless you count the Mauler's head

[wicked zenith]

Which why are you hitting the mauler in the head....

[serene sage]

I mean shit I beat plasma users with a Bolter, I am confident enough that I can probably finish top 2 in damage with the Revolver
but dude was so arrogant I just wanted to take him at face value

[torpid sundial]

I was saying without rending

since he said he was gonna use a grey revolver

[jovial aurora]

Weekspot buffs

[wooden lotus]

tanner makes good points but he's a little too aggressive about it is my beef

[fresh grail]

'a little', no need to diminish it. It's Khorne energy

[serene sage]

then again, moot talk now cause he blocks everyone if he responds then ill play a game

[midnight totem]

Who is tanner

[wooden lotus]

[torpid sundial]

random dude

[safe imp]

I hope the money match thing gets resolved, not because I care about this conflict between two people I don't know

[wicked zenith]

Weakspot vs + Flak etc damage is ussually mute. Most weapon run + Flak.

[safe imp]

but because two people going "he didn't show up" about the other is lame

[midnight totem]

Oh good, I was under the impression it was somebody who mattered/s

[wooden lotus]

he's a small-size darktide youtuber that's been carving a warpath of determining the meta since he's been tired of content creators pushing surface-level bullshit builds

[serene sage]

a YTber with some good takes, some bad takes and a personality that I find repulsive (me thing), not to judge his characters based on online interactions.

[safe imp]

right now it seems more likely that tanner is the one that ghosted though

[wooden lotus]

he makes pretty salient points but he also just gets too mad / aggressive about stuff

[wicked zenith]

Too mad is generally a show, and not real. See fake boogie2998 or whatever

[wooden lotus]

also calls the revolver mid-tier because it's not as braindead as the other top weapons

[midnight totem]

Okay

[jovial aurora]

With all the weakspot buffs on vet??

[fresh grail]

Even if its an act i can't stand attitude like that when i need to find Darktide info. I'm sure he has good info though, but i wouldn't know

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but aggressive vet takes is kinda of a meme

[serene sage]

we are a contentious bunch

[wicked zenith]

Depending on the weapon yeah it can be.

[safe imp]

yeah, it's odd how most of his analysis of talents/guns will be pretty rational, then out of nowhere he'll massively undervalue things like the revolver

[midnight totem]

Eh

[wooden lotus]

there's a tier list video he did in which he contradicts himself by saying the devil sword is s-tier even if it's shit against armor but then says any weapon that can't handle everything is not s-tier

so im like

hm

[midnight totem]

Maybe a revolver stole his girlfriend

[wanton dawn]

I don't mind contentious, but aggressive takes are kinda boring

[midnight totem]

You never know

[wooden lotus]

he's at his best when he's analyzing opportunity costs of talents and at his worst when talking about weapons

[jovial aurora]

Idk man there's 50 percent weak spot just from one perk and exstance

[wooden lotus]

because any weapon that isn't columnus or plasma is going to be in the dumpster in his book

[wicked zenith]

General weapons that can handle everything is mid teir of their respective catagory (balance-wise) you are gett vesratility. S-teirs ussually get paired for specific jobs with other weapons that blantly cover each other's massive weaknesses

[serene sage]

that tier list weapon really did him in for me
the Discord interactions didn't help either

[wooden lotus]

my biggest beef is that he doesn't take the time to read any of the weapon names correctly tbh

[wicked zenith]

218 vs 550 Headshot vs Body shot on a mauler with weakspot damage increased @jovial aurora

[wooden lotus]

i could ignore the aggressiveness bc i've been in the spot where people kinda throw out vapid bullshit for optimization in other games

i could ignore the hot takes because whatever

[wanton dawn]

I know ! We should make a video to end all vet discord meta discussion !

[wicked zenith]

Vraks MKIII headhunter Autogun

[wooden lotus]

but the fact he doesn't script and just calls it "Rashid" or "malestorm"

is what gets me

[jovial aurora]

With just a base revolver?

[serene sage]

to end all discussions*.

*until the next patch when FS screws everything up again

[wicked zenith]

@jovial aurora Vraks MKIII headhunter Autogun

[wooden lotus]

the 4th veteran tree rework

if he's doing it on purpose then yeah it's kinda funny

[wanton dawn]

Bold of you to assume vet discord will agree on anything

[wooden lotus]

but i don't feel like it is

[serene sage]

generally, I think we can all agree children should not get cancer

[fresh grail]

we can agree to disagree? Nah, even then keep the flame going

[jovial aurora]

Huh. I coulda swore at least in my specific build headshots are still bis on them. I know no buffs they ain't

[midnight totem]

There's one thing we can all agree on

Zealots smell funny

[wanton dawn]

That's a low blow man

[jovial aurora]

Yoooo

[wooden lotus]

i don't try to argue with people a lot on discord because it's the 40k fandom

[agile yew]

Power Sword any good for leveling?

[wicked zenith]

550 Hellbore III with 10% more Weakspot, 1500 vs 1420, fully charged, if it was 25% flak.... bodyshot would win.

[jovial aurora]

Can someone get me that walking dead clip

[agile yew]

Or does it take certain blessings like Power Cycler to be good?

[jovial aurora]

Honestly make you a devils claw 4

[wooden lotus]

fine without, feels infnitely better with cycler

[serene sage]

I would suggest something else if you don't PC

[glacial yacht]

its fine to level with but without power cycler Id prefer something else

[jovial aurora]

Imo ps just feels like a shitty devils claw without pc4

[serene sage]

it's usable but if you're leveling then other stuff are easier to use

[wanton dawn]

Let it be known that I disagree with anything you all are going to say

[fresh grail]

even power cycler tier 3 helps

[umbral scaffold]

Time to cycle powers

[wooden lotus]

if you want an easy time then yeah use something else like the shovels if you don't have cycler

[midnight totem]

Power sword is okay without power cycles, I'd say 3/5. It jumps to 5/5 with

[agile yew]

Ok, been using Chainsword now

[wooden lotus]

yeah keep using that

chainsword is just good

[serene sage]

I think child labor is bad.

[wooden lotus]

chainsword/shovel plasma was my go-to

[wanton dawn]

Well, that is not the meta in frostpunk

[wicked zenith]

@jovial aurora It does depend on the weapon, but It's quite often body shot is better, (not to mention easier shot). If you have + Flak

[wooden lotus]

im apparently only in vet chat when there's normal people in here

[jovial aurora]

I'm so used to aiming for heads that body shots are tougher for me lol

[agile yew]

Columnus V been good for leveling, even low roll one just deletes everything in Malice

[wooden lotus]

yeah

columnus is just fuckin good

[jovial aurora]

Honestly devils claw 4 while vanilla is gonna be a solid piece for just straight up mowing hordes while leveling

[agile yew]

Just grabbed IV blessing for it from Psyker, so once i get some better one ill slap it on it too

[wanton dawn]

Err... define normal ppl

[wicked zenith]

I got use to aiming center-mass due to growing up shooting with my father. Headshot irl are rather impractical

[wooden lotus]

people i can have a conversation with

i'm not normal

[fresh grail]

You have to say something outlandish like thinking suppression is a good mechanic and a good skill to learn on veteran 🤭 (it is, inb4 hate)

[agile yew]

Ill keep eye on one from shopö

[umbral scaffold]

Define people you can have a conversation with

[ripe lodge]

reroll both perks?

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/cutting-woods-searching-for-rwandas-famed-mountain-gorillas-world-gorilla-day-chop-some-woods-slicing-the-woods-gif-23112269

[wooden lotus]

like idk i'm trans in a 40k community and i haven't been yelled at yet

so that's pretty civilized and normal

[wary galleon]

just dont change the community

we dont give a shit otherwise

[gusty bison]

Depends. Are u planning to hipfire and use the bolter rarely

[umbral scaffold]

Trans gene

[gusty bison]

Or are u planning to use it as a DMR

[agile yew]

We might not judge you, but the Emperor will

[jovial aurora]

It's just l1h1 spam and it deals with the hordes quickly. Bonus points it you pick up one of the 15 blessings that add a ez cleave multiplier

[wary galleon]

dont care what you got on ur crotch, if you can breathe you can kill >:d

[inland orchid]

Male, female, trans, dinosaur, if u can shoot heretics ur alright in my book

[wooden lotus]

praise

[inland orchid]

Hell ya Omar same brain

[agile yew]

Well, thats the highest rated item in my shop right now, ill go grab it for a try

[wicked zenith]

Normal people have 2 arms, 2 legs, a gender, 2 eyes, 10 fingers, do not worship Covid19/Nurgle, Are not on Onlyslannesh, Don't go to Korn concerts, and and believe change is bad (tzeentch)

[jovial aurora]

Beautiful. Try it and see it if you like it

[wooden lotus]

Korn the band or the guy

[fresh grail]

OnlySlaanesh?

[midnight totem]

I mean, the lizardmen in Warhammer hate Chaos

[umbral scaffold]

The band guy

[agile yew]

I actually tried different Mk Dclaw very early levels, but didnt quite get the special parry

[umbral scaffold]

His name is John Korn

[midnight totem]

So they're alright in my book

[jovial aurora]

You just hit it during a rager crusher or mailer animation

Dude bitch slaps the monster in question for trying

[serene sage]

I can yell at you if that's ever on your bucket list

[agile yew]

Do i press special and then block?

[wicked zenith]

You win, Sir.

[inland orchid]

Oh that’s dope I lack lore on warhammer fantasy but it do be pretty fun to play verm 2, would be nuts to see an allied lizard boy helping the cast

[fresh grail]

Mostly for those times you're getting swarmed by ragers and your teammates are off doing God-Emperor knows what

[gusty bison]

Special is a parry. U press it about half a second before u get hit

[ripe lodge]

I was thinking hipfire not 100% sure what to do for a tree with it though

[gusty bison]

Ok so if ur using it mostly for hipfire

U will be using ur melee a LOT

Is this ok with you?

[agile yew]

Ok thanks, i just kept swinging it and hitting special in the mix in hopes it does something

[umbral scaffold]

The vermin come in tides

[fresh grail]

space skaven when

[umbral scaffold]

That's us

[gusty bison]

As in your melee is gonna be out 90+% of the time

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/word-oh-thats-why-realization-wow-gif-10000098

[ripe lodge]

So go Weapon Spec? Im good with it I dont have a melee vet build yet

[gusty bison]

No

Weapon spec is for switch vets

Ur not switching a lot

[umbral scaffold]

As a male, I walk around with my melee out at home

[gusty bison]

Its just full on melee

[wooden lotus]

hell yeah brother

me too

[umbral scaffold]

My melee being the unflinching human spirit

And my kindness for fellow man

[fresh grail]

sounds like you escaped from #zealot-class

[wooden lotus]

funnily enough zealot is the class i care about the least

[hollow hawk]

Heretic

Kill him

[wooden lotus]

THAT'S MAAM

[wicked zenith]

there is melee I use, Melee is rather easy to build for vet.

[serene sage]

mad lad running bolter without determined

but ig melee doesn't care that much

[wanton dawn]

zealot chat seems pretty mild right now, what changed ?

[wooden lotus]

even if its melee vet i always run survivalist tbh

[wicked zenith]

It's for crusher and Maulers packs.

[serene sage]

yeah I figured

[fresh grail]

running bolter without survivalist
But thats cause i bolt into hordes too much.

[umbral scaffold]

Josh and Arco stopped kissing

[wanton dawn]

fair enough

[serene sage]

i like the build though

[wooden lotus]

not running survivalist is such an opportunity cost i cannot afford to sacrifice

[umbral scaffold]

The femboyism kept it alive

[ripe lodge]

ngl I gotta run Survivalist its too good

[fresh grail]

looks stylish with the chainsword

[jovial aurora]

Just hit it during the animations for the mixins, ragers, maulwrs, crushers

[wicked zenith]

If one vet has it running double is pointless

It doesn't stack

[jovial aurora]

It's not super sensitive to timing

[fresh grail]

me everytime i make a build "But free ammo does sound nice....."

[wooden lotus]

i pug so yeah

i run it for safety's sake

[serene sage]

free ammo lets me clutch

cause I don't have to rely on drops or teammates

[jovial aurora]

I run revolver and manage without it

[ripe lodge]

I dont have to worry about it stacking I quickplay and get 3 ogryns everytime

[fresh grail]

in premades you can get away with just 1 ammo vet for sure, but i've been in too many hotjoined games with two bolter zealots and a stubber ogryn, and i was the ammo Messiah

[jovial aurora]

It's nice to have when someone else has it but then I just don't ever pick any up lmao

[wicked zenith]

I ussually get 2-3 vets and a psycher rarely see orgyns on my vet

[tiny summit]

Providing value to my team with survivalist

[fresh grail]

Grenade spam king 💪

we vapin the whole map

[serene sage]

weed

[wooden lotus]

weed

[wicked zenith]

I only like 2 nades, The Immolation and Krak. The rest aren't effective imo.

[jovial aurora]

I was playing my psyker last night, 4 fucking psykers twice in a row lol

[wanton dawn]

... you need born leader for a vape build imo

[jovial aurora]

Had to clutch both games from the bosses lmao

[wooden lotus]

FOG MACHINE VET

[tiny summit]

Twinned smokes is so funny. Like...it barely lands away from each other

[wicked zenith]

Immolate to spot the trash at a spawn location and krack to kill maulers/crushers

[tiny summit]

You right. I should

[serene sage]

I disagree cause I think frags are the most OP Blizt in this game

[finite imp]

it used to be ALOT worse in here

[tiny summit]

I am the vent purge

[fresh grail]

frags bleed when they stack 👌

[jovial aurora]

I feel like having voc and the tag keystone are enough lol

[wanton dawn]

Never rate kraks above frags on this discord

[wooden lotus]

cadian fall nightmare blunt rotation

[wicked zenith]

@serene sage You can't disagree with what I like (as in saying I don't know what I like).... You can think the others are fine but you can't make me like tham lol.

[serene sage]

dude activated my trap card

[jovial aurora]

But why

[terse idol]

Hmm? That works now?

There was talk about how flamer res was only for their kick

But...

[inland orchid]

Got a big problem? Use krak. Got a biggerer problem? Use more krak

[terse idol]

Considering the changes it might work now

[fresh grail]

use more frag

[wooden lotus]

i love shrdders so fucking much

shredders are so fun

[serene sage]

nah you liking them is cool but

The rest aren't effective imo.
I can certainly disagree with this statement

[inland orchid]

Both are good but I can’t chunk monstrosities with shredder

[jovial aurora]

I have triple on my ogryn and I straight just pretend the bomber flames aren't there lol

[fresh grail]

The grenade you take depends mainly on what weapons you take tbf, but i like shredders too much to ever go kraking
I use shredders more than i use my melee weapon if i look at how much bleed i do in a mission

[wanton dawn]

I chunk monstrosities with litteral knife on stick

[jovial aurora]

Flamer I'm pretty sure works too

[terse idol]

Its not 10% less iirc, at least number cat said it was the difference between a small number and a smaller number

[inland orchid]

Ooo valid alternative

[tiny summit]

I think krak only really shines against monstronsities to stagger them. It's cool to delete a crusher. It isn't cool that the crusher is deleted by your team before it goes off or there's a crusher party.

[wooden lotus]

shredders i use for everything + it's node efficient, kraks i only use some some enemies

[serene sage]

krak has its place yeah

[wooden lotus]

yeah

[terse idol]

Its like 20% for 1 then less than 20% for 2 than less than that for 3

[serene sage]

though i hate how it only has 2 in reserve

[wooden lotus]

krak's in a good spot but could use some versatility

[serene sage]

I think it would be fine to have 3 reserve

[wooden lotus]

yeah

[fresh grail]

an extra nade wouldn't hurt it. We have plenty of single target DPS already

[jovial aurora]

Kraks are just good with all the other shit going on in AD having a grenade that just takes half a health bar with two of them is so nice

[wooden lotus]

kraks don't do enough to bosses for 3 to feel too much

4, kinda

[jovial aurora]

Diminishing returns

[terse idol]

Tuh

[jovial aurora]

How you get four?

[terse idol]

Tuh

Yuh

[wicked zenith]

Am I the only one that thinks the BOE event helm goes better with the Moebian 21st armor than the stupid gas mask.

[fresh grail]

when i drop 3 frags at my feet it kills everything, armour or not. I like it when there needs space to be made

[midnight totem]

I kinda wish vets got default grenade replenishment

[wooden lotus]

you don't, we were talking in hypotheticals about the baseline 2 being made into 3

[terse idol]

I'm sorry but yes

[wooden lotus]

also yeah i never run the +1 nade

[fresh grail]

Yeah especially cause the grenades feel balanced around the regen

[wooden lotus]

there's a lot of talents on vet that should just be innate tbh

same with zealot and psyker

[terse idol]

I mean survivalist baseline

*cough

[serene sage]

wait is this armor set not the 21st moebian?

is this the cadia one?

[wooden lotus]

like idk the ogyrn extra carry speed feels like the right direction of being a baseline trait isntead of a talent because its innocuous and no one would really take it otherwise unless they had to

[tall torrent]

This is supposed to be kasrkin armor I think?

But different paintjob from mod

[obsidian relic]

I’m new to game is there distinctly better build to run also any tips for levelling?

[wicked zenith]

Zealot is stupid strong still, Even as a Range killer build the innate + 20% infested and +20% Unyeilding talent that is easy to get is just nuts. Silly to make breakpoints.

[fresh grail]

Just a rebalance of the auras for sure, or ammo needs a whole rework in this game. I can't think of a single more impactful aura than surivalist, you can feel it so hard when someone is running it or not

[fresh grail]

The best build is the one that fits your playstyle

[wooden lotus]

pick what feels right, ask questions for what's good/bad, see what works for you

playstyle is most important yeah

meta picks are meta but some may rely on being fully upgraded / a combination of talents dedicated to it

[tall torrent]

What’s your current lvl

[wooden lotus]

so just play and see what's good, get to max, then worry about builds

[terse idol]

Yeah

[wooden lotus]

just don't run smoke nades

[terse idol]

Also smmh customization modd

[tall torrent]

If he’s like lv12 he doesn’t need to care abt meta

[serene bough]

smoke twin blast or its not meta

[wanton dawn]

what about lvl 1112 ?

[wicked zenith]

Leveling is just go Toughness and learn your weapons. You can level and beat any of this cept maybe the twins with trash gear long as you know the timing, and spec def.

[tall torrent]

Also no, prob lol

[wicked zenith]

Crusher and Mauler packs are really only common on Auric.

[fresh grail]

i don't know like, the AI director has been cookin' lately

[terse idol]

On lower levels it still prettyyy slow

[wicked zenith]

I don't like it spawning special or mobs in sight, it use to not do this but seen it alot since the talent revamp

[terse idol]

The only fear is you don't meet the DPS check

Because the weapons low level suck eggs

[terse idol]

Hmm? What cha mean

[fresh grail]

a lot more enemies and special spawning in doors right next to you compared to before. Might just be me though

[wicked zenith]

Like mobs spawning literally in front of you. Easiest example is the canival if you come out of the hallway alittle you will see specials and mobs spawn in the hallway in plain sight.

[fresh grail]

Ah yeah, a few times just enemies popping in

[midnight totem]

Chaos magicks

[wicked zenith]

I've walked back to see how far about 15 yards from the back wall and dogs will spawn mid pounce, Burster in the leaping animation already

[terse idol]

Oh I haven't seen that much but yeeahh

A holdover from vt2

[wicked zenith]

There is no door there or anything from them to spawn from. We all know how this works but spawning in sight is annoying.

[jovial aurora]

Voice of command is the answer you're looking for

[terse idol]

Well running all +level for your curios well help you level up faster if that's what you're looking for too

[jovial aurora]

This is a pretty ezpz Swiss army knife build

[gusty bison]

Do they?

I feel like vet nades arent weaker than other class' nades

[jovial aurora]

Just use voc when you get scared

[serene orbit]

how can I salvage this?

[slow forum]

There are achievements with 90% accuracy, how can I see my accuracy during the game? And is the new piercing revolver suitable for this?

[gusty bison]

Swap shattering for pinning fire

[tall torrent]

Change infested to maniac, you’re pretty much good to go

[gusty bison]

Swap infested for something

[serene orbit]

and infested for mani-- gotcha

[tall torrent]

Both surgical & shattering are good

[gusty bison]

SI?

Nah its ass atm on bolter

[tall torrent]

Shattering helps kill crushers?

[gusty bison]

So does PF

And crits have innate armour pen

So like rending isnt that big

But +20% power is well

+20% power

[serene orbit]

thank you

[gusty bison]

Note i said atm

And thats cos bolter ADM is 1.0x almost across the board

I dunno if this will ever chamge

[glacial yacht]

i like pinning over surgical myself

[tall torrent]

I’d say just swap infested to maniac

U don’t know what they’ll change to bolter later on

[gusty bison]

U take both

Its surg/cav + PF atm

SI if u cant get PF is acceptable

Surg atm is massive for DMR bolter

And cav is better for hipfire bolter

[glacial yacht]

dmr bolter is meh tho

SI+PF is my fav

[gusty bison]

Hipfire is worse

Hipfire bolter is basically melee vet

Unless u want ur entire team to hate u

[glacial yacht]

we agree bolter isnt very good then lol

[gusty bison]

Nah DMR bolter is solid A tier

Cos it hits some insane BPs

[jovial aurora]

Also I would skip any doubled up perks except voice of command augment to get to the Melee stuff on the lower right first than fill in the rest @obsidian relic you should be able to do so by 18. Also what others have said get some curios you like and put level 4 experience on each one

[serene orbit]

DMR?

[glacial yacht]

nopthing the revlover and plasma doesnt hit

[gusty bison]

Actually

It does hit some bps plasma cannot

And volver is OP

So it doesnt count

Like

Comparing anything to volver atm is pointless on vet

Cos volver > all

[glacial yacht]

plasma enters the chat

[gusty bison]

Plasma for instance cannot consistently 1 tap maniac ragers in the head

[gusty bison]

Plasma is worse than volver

Easily

Its just braindead EASY

[serene sage]

Compare the bolt to helbore, the 3 shotties, the vraks and I think it is a strong contender

[glacial yacht]

my plasma does yes

without crit

[serene sage]

And those are the weapons I consider "balanced"

[gusty bison]

With LMB?

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-death-korps-warhammer40k-imperium-of-man-marching-death-korps-of-krieg-gif-16303826

[gusty bison]

Not rmb

(Lmb)

[jovial aurora]

Don't even start they just don't like the revolver being good lol

[terse idol]

So uh you can't

[glacial yacht]

yeah

[gusty bison]

X to doubt

[serene sage]

Well maybe not the shotty, they need a tiny tiny buff

[terse idol]

Assume that you shoot 100 shots so you can only miss 9 times

If you miss

[gusty bison]

Plasma is a 1.4k damage gun vs maniac

[terse idol]

You need to make up shots to accomodate

[last parcel]

designated marksman rifle. using the bolter mostly as an ads single shot gun

[terse idol]

You'll only know when you're done

[gusty bison]

R u running exec stance or relying on ability damage boost?