veteran-class

[terse idol]

Legate has it good

[thick wolf]

Who are basically CIA if they dipped into religion I think?

[crude ermine]

An eldar stole my wallet

Bitter ever since

[terse idol]

It' wouldn't look good if all of the posted material were like Commisars blowing guardsmen brains out

We know it happens

[bitter turtle]

Craftworlders are like the closest thing to being nice without naivety in 40k, exodites are just hippie elf farmers, and drukhari

Well

[terse idol]

But it's definetly more cool to just have that whole scene play out

[bitter turtle]

They're assholes

But at least they admit it!

[tiny summit]

I'm still a baby to 40k lore but it doesn't look like any of the portrayals are misleading in that the Imperium is completely shitty.

[thick wolf]

Isn't the Inquisition also like very bad too

[crude ermine]

It's like a bigger drunken brother

[thick wolf]

Basically acting like a very religious CIA

[crude ermine]

Let itself go

[bitter turtle]

It depends, do you think the stasi were cool

[vernal harbor]

of course it was an eldar.

[bitter turtle]

[umbral scaffold]

One interesting interaction I found so far

Groaners have a much reduced aggro range while you're in smoke

Only problem is, they're essentially always aggroed

So it's a pointless interaction

[vernal harbor]

we hot boxin the valkyrie

[bitter turtle]

Unironically I think the whole "but eldar would kill humans to save eldar and that's bad" thing to be overblown

I mean humans kill humans so they can kill more eldar

Like Vulkan the kid torcher

[umbral scaffold]

So do the shooters, and I assume this aggro range goes for all the normal melee and ranged units, because specialists still seemed to aggro

[crude ermine]

The only way the aeldari can redeem themselves is buying me a Sunday

[umbral scaffold]

And specialists have no interaction with smoke that I could tell

[junior needle]

The eldar would sacrifice billions of humans to save 1000 eldar

[umbral scaffold]

smoke nades are pretty damn bad

[crude ermine]

Deserved not like we need those billion

[bitter turtle]

The imperium would sacrifice billions of humans to kill 1000 eldar so I think the knife ears win here on moral grounds

[umbral scaffold]

smoke nades would've had great synergy with ex stance if they actually concealed you like real smoke grenades

With shooters, if the smoke is in their path, they will try to run to an angle where the smoke doesn't conceal you

Well, they do

[bitter turtle]

I mean in all seriousness it's like a parent that would save their own kid over a bus full of other ppls kids

[junior needle]

Whoever is spending billions of guardsman to kill a measly 1000 eldar is assuredly guilty of extreme incompetence and should be executed

[bitter turtle]

U get what I mean

During gc

They happened on a planet that eldar saved the humans on and lived together

[umbral scaffold]

Gunners stand still and wait

[bitter turtle]

So they killed all the humans so they could kill the eldar better lol

[junior needle]

Yeah, the vulkan incident. That was with night lords involved though, and you know how they were.

[bitter turtle]

I was provoked isn't a great excuse for burning a child a live

And plus

That provocation from curze was only about the kid

Killing human and xeno living together peacefully is par the course

Interex and all that

"We only wanted to be left alone"

[umbral scaffold]

Okay, actually the ranged behavior seems to be the same

[bitter turtle]

Imperium: let's waste months chasing down these damn pacifists to kill them

[umbral scaffold]

It's just gunners are more prone to standing still, while shooters and shotgunners can do that, but are more likely to move

I couldn't discern anything with melee enemies

[bitter turtle]

Imperium has no problems sacrificing lives, money and time to kill xeno even if it serves no real purpose

[terse idol]

The Inquisition is like one of the worst parts of the imperium yeah

As the imperium is a satire of Fascism, the inquisition is like a satire on secret police

[tall torrent]

Not sure you’d need to check urself

[terse idol]

or well to be fair the inquisition has nearly unlimited authority to do whatever it takes to destroy anything they deem "heretical'

[umbral scaffold]

most versatile weapon for aurics with a squad leader type build? plasma?

[crude ermine]

An eldar bought me a Sunday

The race is redeemed

[finite imp]

Fellas be honest

[bitter turtle]

Define squad leader

[thick wolf]

Oh, so they're basically more stasi than religious CIA

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

That's why I said

[finite imp]

Is there any room for merit or titles in the house of honor?

[tiny summit]

I'd betray the imperium for a goth Eldar waifu

[bitter turtle]

Depends if u think the stasi were cool lmao

[umbral scaffold]

No, only honour

[terse idol]

Remember at the end of space marines 1 where they took that guy you played into custody because of possible warp influence

[crude ermine]

Yeah you get it

[finite imp]

And we leave kings at the door

[thick wolf]

My brains were grinding their gears on what the fuck stasi was until I remember seeing them in BOCW

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

It's worth noting that different parts of the great crusade took different approaches, with certain legions taking a more brutalistic approach. The imperium actually allowed for sanctioned xeno races to continue existing (with the Emperor even doing so personally in one case, something about the xenos bodies being very useful for rejuvenat treatments but he put a death penalty on harming them).

[terse idol]

The constant fight between

Ugly Eldar

And Elf Waifu's

[crude ermine]

Why not both

[terse idol]

[crude ermine]

[junior needle]

Also worth noting that during the daot, all of humanities xenos allies abandoned them. Hence the Emperors zero tolerance policy going forward.

[umbral scaffold]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[serene bough]

I love how the game rogue trader let's me purge xenon at any opportunity

[terse idol]

woops

[terse idol]

I see heretical influence takes you

[serene bough]

If I see an alien I kill it

[junior needle]

Shame the game is so poorly put together and incomplete

[bitter turtle]

That is just the excuse tbh

[junior needle]

I really like the idea of rogue traders

[bitter turtle]

I hate to bring the fascism argument back

[manic vortex]

what is typically the break point that im looking for rashad? i only know about 1 shotting dreg and scab bruiser.

[bitter turtle]

But "great betrayal" thus "purge all of x race" sounds awfully familiar

Intentionally lmao

[serene bough]

It is satire afterall

[bitter turtle]

There's a reason there's very little lore about what actually happened during the men of Iron uprising

[bitter turtle]

Honestly if u mean mid tree build anything works

[junior needle]

Well it clearly wasn't all xenos races, but yes it is satire. This is the grimdark future, it's supposed to be ironic that such brutal method are actually effective/practical compared to conventional "star trek good feels cooperative scifi".

[bitter turtle]

Focus target is flexible

[bitter turtle]

It's not effective

Imperium creates its own enemies

All xeno are hostile bc they killed any that aren't like interex

Chaos is strong because imperium feeds suffering into the univeese

[terse idol]

Well

[bitter turtle]

Guillyboy said it himseld

[terse idol]

|Also if we want to get down to it

[serene bough]

Its effective but dysfunctional

[bitter turtle]

Recently

[terse idol]

The imperium rn is in "the dark age of mankind"

Shit's not good rn

[bitter turtle]

What point is telling random ppl not to turn the chaos because damnation awaits

When their normal lives are already hell

[terse idol]

The Horus Heresey fucked up alooooooot of things

[serene bough]

The duality of the only means for humanity to survive being a hyper fascist xenophobic regime of fanatics

[bitter turtle]

Good guy guillimang trying to fix things

Tbh even though I said he weakens the satire he's p decent guy

[junior needle]

Imperium deleted most of its enemies during the great crusade and established a galaxy spanning empire that gave them a massively favorable position. Also nearly all other xenos races are/were actively hostile.

[terse idol]

I mean... unironically the Tau are the best hope

[umbral scaffold]

[terse idol]

But they're noobs

😌

Also weebs

Weebs in power armour

Also the Etherals are corrupt

[bitter turtle]

And a lot of them weren't too

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-gun-threaten-aim-target-gif-15728216

[bitter turtle]

And they killed them anyway lul

[serene bough]

The is no faction without corruption

[terse idol]

yes and then a million enemies came out of the wall when the horus hersey hit

[serene sage]

tau propaganda

gtfo

[junior needle]

Grimdurk

[terse idol]

and the tyranid splinters started coming

[bitter turtle]

That's my point

It wasn't effective

[vernal harbor]

go play fire warrior‼️ (goated game tho)

[terse idol]

And the Necrons are waking up

And-

[bitter turtle]

They created their own damnation

[terse idol]

The orkz are getting angry again

Because Yarrick fukin died

[serene bough]

Tau lie about peace only to sterilize and wipe out the population after they're no longer useful

[bitter turtle]

The universe is hostile bc anything not hostile is dead

[terse idol]

no no no no

hold on

[bitter turtle]

Thanks to the imperium

[crude ermine]

Personally my Necron kin are better smh

[serene sage]

I hate the Custodes

[terse idol]

They sterilize people who make peace with them

[serene sage]

most useless faction in the game

[terse idol]

It's either

Peace

And sterilization

Or death

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

what are these statements

[serene sage]

they had one job

[terse idol]

the custodes but they're just fucking stuck on Tera

[serene bough]

That's not good guy behavior @terse idol

[serene sage]

tell me where is the dude they were supposed to protect now?

[terse idol]

Do something you morons!

[serene sage]

[vernal harbor]

hes alive aint he

[terse idol]

better than the imperium

😌

[serene bough]

No

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene sage]

they should be fed to the emperor

[terse idol]

Because you know what the imperium does

[bitter turtle]

Iirc that's iffy lore

[terse idol]

They kill them

[serene sage]

not the blackship psykers

[bitter turtle]

The sterilization was only in dow

[vernal harbor]

whos gonna feed them to him

[serene sage]

wait we have tau in dow?

[bitter turtle]

The novels show that their manipulations are much more subtle and less overt purging

[terse idol]

The Tau regularlly work with Mercenaries

[serene bough]

As it should be

[bitter turtle]

Dawn of War ye

[serene sage]

let the grey knights do it

[terse idol]

Like the Kroot

[serene bough]

Death to the heretic

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-exterminatus-explosion-nuke-40k-gif-22693290

[serene sage]

they are the cooler custodes

[terse idol]

The Grey knights more like the Ga-

[serene sage]

that's a dick

[terse idol]

[vernal harbor]

im not sure the grey knights could pull that one off byt theyre the closest id think who could

[terse idol]

I hate the grey knight exo suits

Just get fucking dreadnauts like normal people

Losers!

[junior needle]

I wouldn't say that. Humans are at least inclined to stick together on the basis of species. Xenos likewise would be prone to self interested behavior in do or die scenarios (which was proven beyond a doubt in the daot).

From your perspective humanity lacks allies, but from the perspective of the imperium, the best allies are more humans and even currently peaceful aliens can be a ticking time bomb.

[serene sage]

oh the baby crib?

[terse idol]

yeah

I hate that thing

[serene sage]

haha yeah

[terse idol]

It's so ugly

[serene sage]

BUT

[umbral scaffold]

Just a full legion of Obliterators and nothing else.

[bitter turtle]

But ya

[serene bough]

The book Longshot suggests a similar method used by the tau

[bitter turtle]

The whole sterilization was basically only ever in dawn of War iirc

[serene sage]

this shit slaps

so hard

[vernal harbor]

dont grey knights literally have a whole gifted forge world JUST for them

[serene sage]

best model in the game

[bitter turtle]

Broken sword shows a much better picture of how humans living under tau are like

[terse idol]

They want to be Repentier's sooooo bad

[vernal harbor]

i like the grey knights but god theyre a bunch of pampered lads

[serene sage]

not as much as the custodes

[serene sage]

I don't trust the Tau, they're blue

Blue people are not to be trusted

[vernal harbor]

yeah but custodes are pampered because they tell people to pamper them

[bitter turtle]

I think this excerpt was really good

Had to find it

Shows the much more subtle cultural manipulation the tau employ

[vernal harbor]

"if you want us gone then come move us"

[junior needle]

Blood ravens should have a gifted forge world

[terse idol]

I do like Tau mercenaries because uh

[bitter turtle]

You asked me to be honest. Our culture’s sacrosanct, so I’m told. Pair bonding, family units, freedom of choice in our spouses, the works. I’ve seen that honoured. But I also think on Hincks’s kid, all full of the Greater Good. How far will he go, or his children, in embracing your ideals? You won’t need to push much. We’re mutable culturally, we humans. How much, I wonder, sometimes late at night, do you really want of us?

[terse idol]

They're just furries more often than not

😌

[vernal harbor]

i HATE BLOOD RAVENS RAHHHH

[terse idol]

Kroot pretty cool

[junior needle]

BLUHD REHVENS
SPESS MEHREENS

[terse idol]

oh for sure

[serene bough]

STEEL RHEIN

[vernal harbor]

wheres the blood raven yell from dawn of war intro

[terse idol]

I mean this is why I actually like Commander farsight

[serene sage]

too busy stealing Baneblades from the guards

[bitter turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gjkqsy/excerptbroken_sword_a_guardsman_rationalizes_his/

[terse idol]

Because he actually points out the manipulation the ethereals do against the tau

[bitter turtle]

Full excerpt if ppl care

It's interesting (the whole novel is)

[terse idol]

ooh

[astral ingot]

STEEL REHN

[vernal harbor]

as a kid with both cd roms for dawn of war hating that its blood ravens again

[junior needle]

BATTUHL BROTHAS

[vernal harbor]

as an adult hating that its blood ravens AGAIN

[serene sage]

blood ravens are just so bland

other than the steal meme which is really funny

they have like no other memorable characteristic

[vernal harbor]

watered down for maximum appeal for the widest general audience

[serene bough]

DoW1 is full of.good gems

[vernal harbor]

someones gonna yell about dante or whoever the fuck

[serene bough]

Hiding in their metal boxes

[junior needle]

They were supposedly intended to be a loyalist 1k sons offshoot with higher than average psykers, but you never actually get that impression from their gameplay

A line from one of the HH books confirms that, although other authors seem to be walking that back

[serene sage]

I didn't realized I own this many w40k games

am i missing anything significant chat

[bitter turtle]

BUT BUT

Commander boreale

[neat stratus]

Space Marine

[terse idol]

rogue trader

[neat stratus]

WHERE IS SPACE MARINE

[junior needle]

Rogue trader is kinda borked atm

[terse idol]

also yeah space muhreeeen

[bitter turtle]

ENEMY UNITS ON THE PERIMETER

[serene sage]

waiting for SM2

[terse idol]

a little

[junior needle]

The hapsburg face models got me good

[serene sage]

yes

[terse idol]

but

Uh

If you don't rush it

[neat stratus]

GET THEM BOTH!

[terse idol]

You won't meet the broken stuff

as far as I've been told

I'm still early on

[serene bough]

I've just completed act 3

[junior needle]

Learn your lesson and don't buy unfinished games for full price

[neat stratus]

nuh uh

[serene bough]

Wym nuh uh

[crude ermine]

Nowadays you wait till it gets better or it never does

[serene sage]

dow3 are not that great yeah?

[terse idol]

No

[wise fossil]

rogue trader
Never buy anything from Owlcat games within 3 months of launch

[neat stratus]

Im taking chapter 3 back

[neat stratus]

8*

[serene bough]

Trash

[terse idol]

Even if DoW2 was a step back from DoW1

DoW3 is a shell

[wise fossil]

They only release busted games

[terse idol]

Compared to DoW2

[bitter turtle]

I didn't even finish 2

So no idea

[wise fossil]

Honestly yeah

[bitter turtle]

Games peaked at dark crusade and went down from there

[wise fossil]

3 for bare minimum playability

[serene bough]

I like the game so far

[serene sage]

lol i finished it twice, once by myself, once with a friend for the coop campaign

[bitter turtle]

Even if I liked soulstorm a little for adding sisters

[serene bough]

Got it for Christmas

[serene sage]

we are doing retribution but it's on hold, honestly dow2 lacks that hook

[junior needle]

[serene sage]

once you are off for a few days you don't want to come back

[serene bough]

Dow1 the best

Wish they'd remaster it

[terse idol]

Yeah if you didn't really like dow2

Skip dow3

[serene sage]

EA cares about Red Alert 1 more than GW and whatever game studio cares about DoW1

[terse idol]

so crazy watered down

[serene sage]

okay but Chaos Gate is a really fun tactics game

[bitter turtle]

The thing I remember most in dow1 was BATTEL BROHTHAS SPESS MEHRINES THE ENEMY IS AT OUR DOAH and the necrons being stupid overpowered

[serene sage]

highly recommend

[bitter turtle]

Fun game

[serene bough]

I'll get it eventually

[serene sage]

I don't have those memories 😦 PC wasn't enough to run it back then

[serene bough]

Need to finish RT first

[bitter turtle]

😔

[atomic sapphire]

Not a fan of the Space Marines to be honest.

[neat stratus]

Heresy

[atomic sapphire]

Nah, just down to earth.

Just a man.

[bitter turtle]

Same

[serene sage]

I like them because they look cool

[vernal harbor]

bro might be a fan

[serene sage]

that's about it

[bitter turtle]

They're boring and smelly

[neat stratus]

Awooga?

Its a shredder so its already not great but still

[bitter turtle]

You know

[serene sage]

I heard they actually have bad BO

[vernal harbor]

to shreds you say

[terse idol]

Holy... LOOK AT THE SIZEH OF EM!

[crude ermine]

God emperoer would you look at that

[bitter turtle]

At first back then I was so sold on the muh space skellies necrons because of DOW more than anything so I didn't like the rewrite for their lore

[vernal harbor]

i heard that, accent and all

[bitter turtle]

It was for the better in the end

Tho

A lot more interesting now

One of the better factions for sure

[tall torrent]

light atks:
1 HS all melee horde enemies (poxers & bruisers)
3 HS both ragers
heavy atks:
4 HS maulers & crushers
2 HS bulwarks & reapers

[bitter turtle]

Oh right and I can't forget

METAL BAWKSEZ

[terse idol]

[vernal harbor]

Any uk people can tell me exactly where that accent of blood ravens is in the isles so I never go there

[bitter turtle]

The cowards the FUHLS

https://youtu.be/cO3MttgvHUY?si=sxbTlfqlMu1JrT59

A true classic

[vernal harbor]

I’d think it’s a fake accent but then I realized Birmingham mfs do sound like cadians

[atomic sapphire]

Most of em are asleep right now.

So we can't confirm it.

[vernal harbor]

Wake em

[atomic sapphire]

Comedy.

[vernal harbor]

Gold.

[serene sage]

high this is a bucket energy

[manic vortex]

thanks

[vernal harbor]

everytime I want to use my xii I think of this and fear looking like this much of an asshole

but lord do i stand on my hill and willingly die that the xii is s-tier

my detractors will say im brain damaged

[umbral scaffold]

We all wish to be like him

Unflinching, unbothered, unbroken

[crude ermine]

John veteran

[vernal harbor]

he’s having fun and we’re all jealous

[crude ermine]

Nuh uh

I'm envious

I'm gonna steal his shoes

[vernal harbor]

mmmm id think the rejects shoes are biological weapons

probably not a good item

[crude ermine]

Fine

Their clothes

[vernal harbor]

luna get out of the locker room

you’re making people nervous

[umbral scaffold]

3 stamina regen perks
10% move speed
2 stamina delay nodes
knife
duck and dive

I am legally a bar of soap

[crude ermine]

NO

I'm entitled to sniff people's clothes

[serene sage]

🤨

[vernal harbor]

zealot chat is next door

[serene sage]

im not sure who the best neighbor would be

i guess psykers would be okay

zealots are annoying

and im staying far away from ogryns

[crude ermine]

They locked my fucking door

Nowadays I just roam psyker chat

[serene sage]

luna, that's the neighbor's room

your house is the next street

[crude ermine]

Oh

Jesus it's 5am

What the fuck am I doing

[serene sage]

your best

go sleep

the fuck

[crude ermine]

Can't

Drank coffee

[serene sage]

Men are truly their own worse enemy

stop drinking coffee at night tf

[crude ermine]

No

[vernal harbor]

couldnt remember if i took my adderall and waited an hour and took it because i was sure i didnt

(i did)

this mistake has ruined my night and i will be awake for another 8 hours

[golden ingot]

What should I replace the two blessings with? thanks for the help.

NVM I just accidentally sold it...

[junior needle]

Well for the future if you get another one, rampage/wrath for a hordeclear setup. Chainsword lights can't penetrate enough bruisers to proc rampage by default and need a boost.

[golden ingot]

Thanks dude I'll keep that in mind.

[junior needle]

Rampage supposedly gives power now but I couldn't get the 4 chainsword to penetrate 3 bruisers with a t3 rampage up.

On the horizontal swing too

[wooden lotus]

finally got power cycler 4

[umbral scaffold]

Fellas, I announce that the build is goated

But I sorely miss my grenade regen

I think I might actually switch out of out of blood to get them back

It's the only way

[tiny summit]

which build?

[umbral scaffold]

The soap build

I could unironically use gloryhunter on my revolver

Not sure if handcannon is what's allowing me to do the funny on specialists and ragers

But removing out for blood also means losing 5% speed

But alas, the meme is only as strong as the smoke grenades that back it up

[junior needle]

[junior needle]

I'm gonna puke

[umbral scaffold]

For some reason that I cannot fully comprehend

Knife's lights have a better headshot modifier for unarmored, but a better crit for the rest

[mossy wedge]

What should I reroll to?

[umbral scaffold]

You could switch both perks, since they're both really not nice

[wooden lotus]

both perks are really low value, i would agree

both blessings are good

blaze away is the big one

gets hot is more damage but glory hunter is more survivability so this is a pretty good plasma if you reroll those perks

i like flak / unyielding

[junior needle]

I was under the impression that gets hot was the big one

[mossy wedge]

Should I just keep using this then?

[junior needle]

That's like perfect my dude

[near lion]

Behold, The Emperor's Pooper Scooper

[mossy wedge]

Oh ok lol, tyvm

[junior needle]

Hammerblow
trauma

[near lion]

it goes bonk

[junior needle]

It does no damage

[near lion]

it makes a funn shovel sound and bonks

[junior needle]

[near lion]

[wooden lotus]

crits don’t increase damage that significantly

on plasma*

but it is capable of hitting niche breakpoints and is more overall damage, just not a huge boost when it already does so much on its own

but i rock it w blaze away personally

[tranquil bronze]

SINDRI

[junior needle]

Both are great blessings

[raw steppe]

crits are really good lol

it lets you hit a few breakpoints

notably flamer body

[wooden lotus]

gunner body too

[vernal harbor]

hell yeah

[thick wolf]

fuck, I think hadron bricked my old mark vii

[tawny bluff]

worth upgrading?

[flint arrow]

ya

till u get a better one

[tawny bluff]

what should i be aiming for

[rustic island]

The Enemies

[tawny bluff]

true

[flint arrow]

heads

[tawny bluff]

#veryfunny

[wise fossil]

Huge oof on the reload speed but still pretty good

[wise fossil]

It's fine, just change the perks. Or keep specialists and grab uncanny

[latent pond]

hey all havent played since before theclass overhaul - whats the meta veteran build?

[twilit rune]

It’s up to preference on that one tbh

If your running’s a crits build it one taps legit everything

[wise fossil]

There's many good vet builds rn

[twilit rune]

It’s funny on damnation with plasma even a shitty one

[flint arrow]

there is one good vet build and it's revolver vet babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[latent pond]

mind hoping in vc and show me de way?

[twilit rune]

There’s many lol

What is your preferred playstyle?

[latent pond]

veteran no one complains about at missions endcutscene lol

[twilit rune]

Oh we do

Especially as a Psyker main

[latent pond]

as long as i believe it tho

[twilit rune]

I complain abt vets not shooting elites

All the time when I’m running purge build

[hot juniper]

what are some of the better ranged weapons rn?

[wise fossil]

Just remind yourself that you do have a melee weapon and no one will complain 😅

[twilit rune]

It’s aids when you trust a vet with his head in the clouds on atoms

[latent pond]

all i do is kill elites

[flint arrow]

revolver

:^)

[latent pond]

i usually forget i have a gun and melee everything... shits wierd

[wise fossil]

Anything that's not recon las basically

[twilit rune]

Yeah I’m crowd control lol, and I burn bosses. Try seeing me rush a sniper

[hot juniper]

fr fr?

[wise fossil]

Some are better obviously, but most everything can work

[twilit rune]

Shotguns, Col Autorifles,
Plasma, some argue bolter, revolvers

Depends on build

[twilit rune]

They can still be good

Actually

[hot juniper]

Voice of Command

[twilit rune]

Just they fit in a niche

[twilit rune]

Still works I have one that works fine

And is still pretty good tbh

Not as strong as it used to be

But it still works

If you have a torrent

[latent pond]

im in strike team 69 if anyone wants to be sage for my obliterated ass

[twilit rune]

It’s a problem

[hot juniper]

For revolver whats the recomendation?

[twilit rune]

If you don’t it’s fine

[twilit rune]

Full crit and damage

[serene sage]

hands down plasma, revolver, and columnus 5

[twilit rune]

I forgot the talent names

[twilit rune]

Plas still has a bug or two though note^

[wise fossil]

They can still work 😅 idk if they're 'good'

[twilit rune]

They are in niche

And ammo conservation

Depends on mission type

[hot juniper]

Any of the two revolver works?

[wise fossil]

No lol

[twilit rune]

If your torrent it’ll drop ammo like a bitch

[wise fossil]

Always zarona

The ADS one

[hot juniper]

Gotcha

[twilit rune]

For vet you want the zarona

If your running zealot the QuickDraw

It’s a panick button

QuickDraw is like cowboy

[wise fossil]

Even Zealot I prefer ads

[twilit rune]

It’s shooting at hip

Same

[hot juniper]

Perks and Blessings? Thank you all so much for putting up with the questions lol

[tranquil bronze]

What are the dump stats for DC?

[twilit rune]

But people use it like bolter for some reason

[wise fossil]

QuickDraw is cool but not really that helpful

[twilit rune]

It is when dumping into ragers or bezerkers

[wise fossil]

Always surgical & hand cannon

[twilit rune]

About it tho tbh

And there’s better options in my eyes but I ain’t a major zealot player so I ain’t know shit there

[hot juniper]

Thank you all!!

[tranquil bronze]

What's the desired stat spread for Mk IV DC?

[neat stratus]

Isnt it?

[twilit rune]

Hey man it’s unwieldy and feels off man

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-14574338

[twilit rune]

https://tenor.com/view/military-dancing-respect-gif-21421474

[neat stratus]

[tranquil bronze]

Damn that's good

Now pray to the Omnissiah for good blessings

[neat stratus]

I gotta pray to the loot goblins for the plasteel to do so

[neat stratus]

However, should I go with this?

[tranquil bronze]

Need help building Mk IV devil's claw. What's the stat spread I need?

[neat stratus]

Bad perk and blessing so it's damn near bricked but other than that

Eh Ill probably just go with the VII, I think it's more fun anyways

[twilit rune]

Lucky fucker

[bitter turtle]

unarmored is already a good roll sit hat's 1/4 already

[neat stratus]

Also
SHOVEL OORAH (bad perks)

[bitter turtle]

have to whiff on all 3 to brick that

lol

[bitter turtle]

man

idk if i should roll off elite dmg or carapace on v3

lol

[neat stratus]

So flak, deadly accurate, and surgical

[bitter turtle]

8% elite or 25% carapace

[neat stratus]

and unarmored

[bitter turtle]

flak or maniac

both are ok

[neat stratus]

aight

[tranquil bronze]

If you can't get surgical, headhunter is second best

[bitter turtle]

i prefer flak though

[neat stratus]

Is this bricked, anyways?

[tranquil bronze]

You'll want flak on vraks to one shot gunners

[twilit rune]

Flak is better tbh

For that rifle

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure you can oneshot scabs regardless

[neat stratus]

I also have axe

[bitter turtle]

their hp is low

[twilit rune]

You should

[bitter turtle]

flak or maniac is just which rager type you can crit OS

[twilit rune]

Especially if below damnation

If your on it

Idk anymore I haven’t gotten a role I’d like to use for it

[tranquil bronze]

Hmmm... no good?

[neat stratus]

I would take it, but thats only because I'm unlucky

[twilit rune]

Shovel all the way

Shovel better

[tranquil bronze]

I already got shovel. Now I want DC.

[twilit rune]

:))))

Lol

[neat stratus]

Between my axe and shovel, or just take the shovel?

[twilit rune]

My parry never works

[tranquil bronze]

This shovel is good for me

[twilit rune]

I mean I prefer shovel

[twilit rune]

Yep

[neat stratus]

Here is my comparison, which should I keep?

[tranquil bronze]

It two shots Crushers

[twilit rune]

Both

[twilit rune]

Ofc it does

[tranquil bronze]

So what do you think of the Mk IV DC I got? Yay or nay?

[twilit rune]

I’d say run it up

[tranquil bronze]

Gotcha

[twilit rune]

Se e what you get

If it’s shitty it’s shitty

[neat stratus]

I also have boltuh

[twilit rune]

If it’s not it’ll be fine

Depends on your talents and perks

[tranquil bronze]

Okay...

[twilit rune]

Stat wise think it’s fine

[tranquil bronze]

I can work with Savage sweep

[twilit rune]

Fuck bolter

It gets me killed more often than not

It’s unwieldy

Takes forever to deploy

[neat stratus]

I also have the musket they use for space home defense

[placid portal]

gotta grind on the forearm strength

[twilit rune]

Yes yes

[serene sage]

skill issue

[placid portal]

[twilit rune]

The charge runner with Bayo

I’ve seen a build for that which is dope and works well

Tho you’ll be Bayo charging the whole run

[tranquil bronze]

What are the dump stats for Devil's Claw?

[twilit rune]

Fr

[umbral scaffold]

Ayo, they really did a number on opening salvo (disambiguation) on the vraks 7 since I last used it

[neat stratus]

As for power swords, which would be recommendable?

[tranquil bronze]

The one higher than III and PC4

[placid portal]

For Blessings/perk or Mks?

mk6 do be a fine combo weapon

[neat stratus]

Mks

I'm looking for something to support my gigaheadhunter

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-krennic-this-c-lose-gif-10935154

[placid portal]

almost a good roll

when DMG stat is 54%

[neat stratus]

Is it?

[junior needle]

That rashad is not hitting bruiser breakpoints no matter what

[tiny summit]

bro what is even being braced?

[neat stratus]

Better yet, what is that picture?

💀

[white minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-25651926

[umbral scaffold]

homie got an SKS

[sleek garden]

does anyone know if tunnel vision's toughness replenishment is applied to all sources of toughness regen or just aura passive

[tranquil bronze]

What to swap out?

[vernal harbor]

is this that one that was posted before or is that a new one that looks like that lmao

[neat stratus]

New one

[hollow ibex]

hammer and groaner damage imo

[tranquil bronze]

Swap groaner to flak or maniac?

[hollow ibex]

yeah your pick

[thick wolf]

jesus that piddy damage bar

emperor wtf

[serene sage]

dude left the game at the last event

why bro

ig you don't want the plasteel

[strange sparrow]

He gave up

[serene sage]

he was downed and quit

for context

do I do it? it looks so tempting

[strange sparrow]

Wait for the recolor I argue

The Dark Green look hella hard to fit current scheme

[serene sage]

yeah

[strange sparrow]

Most of Veteran Look revolves around Black

[serene sage]

that's what im sad about, too

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine having colourable outfits in 2023

Well, 2024 now, but Fatshark is on vacation

[strange sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196961168242262046/ragerreaction.gif?ex=65b987f4&is=65a712f4&hm=722e865afb9692e05ff51c8055fd20e3368dccb09f0208b1dc7b04a735498470&

[serene sage]

like this is hella dope

[strange sparrow]

Did you recolor the helmet

Because it does look hella dope here

[serene sage]

for the drip

not mine though

from a friend

[midnight totem]

That is hella dope

Also

Veterans

Do you know what it looks like when a psyker is brainbursting a target?

[white minnow]

the blue glow?

[midnight totem]

Yes. Shoot something else

[vernal harbor]

how i imagine the moebian 6th reacted when allying themselves with the haunting looking dregs

[midnight totem]

I suppose I'm annoyed watching this veteran krak grenade a lone half health bulwark being bursted

Then he gets downed by a lone crusher next

[white minnow]

no

[polar kayak]

yay my first time doing over 700k dmg

[thick wolf]

ouch that stability

[polar kayak]

i never seen 50 before XD

[midnight totem]

I usually like 2 burst guns

But the agrip headhunter just feels so wrong

[near sable]

loose cannon or loose cannon

[placid portal]

loose cannon

[trim steppe]

Yet another match lost to a barrel. It launched me off the top of a 4 story platform and once I was dead the rest of the team died

Barrels are the cause of like, 75% of my match losses at this point lol

[placid portal]

barrel is the threat of all auric operators

[thick wolf]

gloryhunter on a bolter, wtf hadron

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/parry-the-brick-cat-brick-gif-12434521752515824966

[jaunty fiber]

jfc

I just watched this lasgun build video today and not even vefore the day ends does Tanner just ruin the man's career

I was not expecting that

[junior needle]

Huh

[vernal harbor]

swear if this game's story involves picking sides between brahm and the warband, im on whatever side she isnt

[jaunty fiber]

I don't wanna drop names past the guy who made the video ripping this build appart but yeah

Like, the guy's a metaswallower and all but he's good at the game, he knows what he's talking about

[vernal harbor]

in tanner we trust

[jaunty fiber]

I've been using his build as my baseline on vet for a while now

[serene sage]

lmao

[jaunty fiber]

I just wasn't expecting him to drag this build for blood like he did

[serene sage]

dude went in here with hot takes

and dipped the moment I called him out

he was like you can't beat him and his mates using the revolver

like the best was revolver vs him and his friends, as long as you don't bottom frag, you win

[jaunty fiber]

That's already missing more context than I would like in order to give a shit about any of what your saying so like

[serene sage]

which is a ridiculous and arrogant claim

[jaunty fiber]

This isn't even the point, he still knows what he's talking about.

[serene sage]

basically he think the revolver is trash

no he doesn't

his tier list is hot garbage

[jaunty fiber]

Sorry, you not agreeing with him on this is kind of not the point

[serene sage]

the only decent vid is the vet skill tree one which is fine, i dont hate it

[serene sage]

no the point is he has yet to show his gameplays, win rate, match history, etc.

[jaunty fiber]

The fuck are you talking about?

Look, you want him to be this perfect storm of skill and elitism and I'm not about to care that much about anybody's gameplay but my own

But he very much has put plenty of what he spouts into practice before my very eyes and that's what matters

[serene sage]

my dude where in his channel is just a simple game of him playing

outside the psyk?

like b-roll

[strange sparrow]

Tbh tanner content suck a lot

[serene sage]

im not asking for pure gameplay which won't get views (maybe)

just like 5 minutes worth of b-roll gameplay

outside the psykhanium

dude is all talk and no walk

[jaunty fiber]

https://youtu.be/A9thEjlfKZ4

He doesn't have much. But he has a lot that actually showcases how he plays

Hell, that vet build video you said you liked has him starting off with some solo AM shit to put things into practice

[serene sage]

i retract the fact that he doesn't have gameplay

I watch that vid and erm

my man

can't melee

[jaunty fiber]

I mean it'a a combat knife, he's doing his best lmao

frankly I was scared of the knife for a long time

But I learned you can actually clear with the bitch pretty well if you build it right

[placid portal]

I spam push attack light spam

[serene sage]

so I should also be excusing him for using a knife and spam columnus 5 holding M1 for 6 minutes calling it a clutch

understood

[jaunty fiber]

Given it fucking worked, yes. But that's kind of beside the point

[placid portal]

it would be a clutch since he's last man standing

[jaunty fiber]

He's doing just fine.

[placid portal]

[serene sage]

you know what i mean

[placid portal]

🍹

Ye

[jaunty fiber]

and I'm not saying this guy is the end-all be all but no one else seems to care this much

[serene sage]

well you brought him and his contents up first

[jaunty fiber]

Besides, plenty of people in this bitch are just as meat grinder-bound as he seems to be

[serene sage]

im just telling you my personal experience with him in this server

i dislike his personality and I find his contents inaccurate

[bitter turtle]

i trust no youtuber

[serene sage]

thanks for listening

[jaunty fiber]

You have a lot of nerve claiming he doesn't show shit in the first place when god forbid you put things into practice before bitching about the numbers not being divine

[glacial yacht]

whats the best blessings on devil claw

[serene sage]

ohhh how dare I

insulting Tanner

omg

please

[jaunty fiber]

It's not insulting, its hypocritical

[strange sparrow]

The guy talk about Rending not useful

[serene sage]

i have zero respect for him

[jaunty fiber]

I don't care who you offend.

[serene sage]

after what he has said here

[white minnow]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[strange sparrow]

But didn't realize it work with Damage Inverse Falloff

[bitter turtle]

tanner had a lot of bad takes in here before

how is it hypocritical

[white minnow]

i'll stay in the meatgrinder for as long as I damn please

[bitter turtle]

the takes he had are provably bad for the most part

you can search the chat history if you want to judge for yourself

the rending thing among other things

[serene sage]

recon is good guys

[jaunty fiber]

Ok this is outside of the scope of what I commented on. Carry on

[serene sage]

shotty F- tier

revolver is worse than grey guns

anyway, we can carry on

[jaunty fiber]

I'm just gonna scrub my youtube feed of everything but ChocoB and be done

[strange sparrow]

Look, His content is taken with a pinch of salt

[serene sage]

no need to beat a dead horse

[bitter turtle]

i mean its just u said he knows what he talks about

which is just objectively not true based on what he's said in here

[strange sparrow]

The worst thing about it was sometime he gave false information about how things works

[bitter turtle]

im not trying to rag on u or anything

[jaunty fiber]

What I've seen him actually talking about seems pretty fucking solid.

[bitter turtle]

just saying why this conversation started

[strange sparrow]

For example, Rending video

[jaunty fiber]

You guys have a lot more to go off of there, clearly

[bitter turtle]

cause he does spread misinfo so ppl object to what you say as him as 'reliable source"

[strange sparrow]

Because if you try to shoot things with Rending, especially LasGun

it have reduced the effect of inverse damage falloff

[jaunty fiber]

Well all this has done is make me want to throw out the one build I have that's reliable

[serene sage]

I have caved and bought the Scion helmet

[jaunty fiber]

Despite how unreasonable that actually is to do

[bitter turtle]

im not gonna lie

its hard to fuck up a vet build

completely

[white minnow]

my impression of him is a bad weapon tier list and him blocking a bunch of people

[bitter turtle]

where its just godawful

[strange sparrow]

Also, Builds are highly tailored to your own playstyle, you can't really fucked up your veteran

[bitter turtle]

like u have to pick literally all the top row talents or something and just never go to the bottom or something ridiculous like that

so its probably fine enough

[strange sparrow]

You could literally be playing half-baked Exec Stances and Marksman Focus on Hellbore's Mk 3

and complete Auric Mael

[serene sage]

if it works then keep using it lol
not calling Tanner a broken clock
but even a broken clock is right twice a day

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah I'll pass

[serene sage]

so keep using it if it works for you

[bitter turtle]

if ur really worried

just post the build

and what gun its for

lol

[jaunty fiber]

It's just the columnus and knife shit he's running

[bitter turtle]

as long as you have onslaught

on the tree

its very hard to fuck that up

so dont worry about it that much

[strange sparrow]

Sound about right

[serene sage]

is the white bolter with random words on it the only bolter skin we have so far?

[strange sparrow]

CIAG Onslaught > everything

[jaunty fiber]

The build is fine, it's just this whole exchange has left a bad taste in my mouth about it and him

[serene sage]

does anyone know

[bitter turtle]

well

ill just tell you now

[jaunty fiber]

I just wanted to come have a chuckle

[bitter turtle]

youtubers like most ppl arent perfect

no doubt they've said dumb shit before

just shrug it off

[serene sage]

I am not sure how experienced you are with the knife but generally it's harder to use
columnus 5 though is generally really solid

[bitter turtle]

they're just some internet rando anyway

like us

[serene sage]

I would say keep the col5 and use a better horde clear weapon imo

[bitter turtle]

now vtubers on the other hand are perfect

jk

[jaunty fiber]

I'm fine with the knife, the build works pretty well

[bitter turtle]

yeah

i mean knife is a somewhat niche weapon but CIAG pairs well with it because it can clear hordes in a pinch

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah it's not the easiest compared to like a power sword or a shovel for sure

but the mobility is so good

[bitter turtle]

the knife is very bad at horde clearing (you can stall one for a while but the actual horde killing power is very low bc no cleave)

but its good for mobility and can weave in to oneshot a lot of specialists

so IAGs are one of the few good weapon pairs for knife

[vocal fox]

Vets, pause, i need you rq

[leaden grove]

🫡

yes sir

[jaunty fiber]

Well the way he has it set up it basically just one-shots anything you swing it at in a horde when it crits, and you get a lot of crits out of this build cuz of the weapon spec buff

[vocal fox]

Cap, knife cracked, best weapon in game, change my mind

[jaunty fiber]

It's not gonna be the best but it's solid as shit, surprisingly

[bitter turtle]

well even if u oneshot something its like

ur still oneshotting like ONE thing usually

lol

that's the problem with knife in horde scenario

not saying u cant swing at a horde with it ofc

[jaunty fiber]

Yes but you're swinging like a buzz saw

[bitter turtle]

but its just never gonna be as fast as a bromentum weapon or something

[strange sparrow]

Things about his video also talk about a lot of hot take like MarksManFocus KekW

[bitter turtle]

where ur just cleaving through like 5 enemies at once

[jaunty fiber]

I get the point of killing multiple things per swing, I'm just saying this holds its own well enough

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean ofc

i ran

[leaden grove]

mercy killer/rending combo with vets one bleed talent and you kill everything very quick

[bitter turtle]

ciag knife solely actually

[vocal fox]

Anyway, is mercy killer blessing + serrated blade passive cracked?

[bitter turtle]

b4 this patch

[bitter turtle]

its ok

[leaden grove]

yes

[bitter turtle]

precog is better imo

[jaunty fiber]

I have an "ok" power sword too

[leaden grove]

very

[bitter turtle]

better alpha strike dmg

you're dodging nonstop on knife anyway

[jaunty fiber]

Stats are a bit scuffed but I got all the right blessings

[vocal fox]

Ty

[bitter turtle]

problemw iwth serrated mercy is it doesnt proc on first hit

also u have to sac a lot of points to get to it

so imo precog is way better

[leaden grove]

good luck solider 🫡

[trim steppe]

Same way a TH can 1-shot monsters and also you can swing it into hordes, its got good stagger and stuff but its ttk hordes is not great. Weapons have tradeoffs

[serene sage]

The thing is some weapons can one shot multiple horde enemies while knife usually can one shot one at a time.

[bitter turtle]

mercy killer is alright tho

honestly

riposte/executor(kinda)/mercy killer/precog are all ok enough

[jaunty fiber]

Yes but then you can destroy heavier targets with it too

[bitter turtle]

personally i consider them good in that order

[serene sage]

Horde clear speed is important and that's not the strong suit of the knife. It's not a bad weapon though.

[bitter turtle]

from worst to best

[jaunty fiber]

TBH, I wanna play a knife zealot more than this cuz they can just horde clear with a flamer lmao

[serene sage]

Smart

[bitter turtle]

knife's dps against carapace is decent but even that is not actually top strength compared to other melee

they can delete carapace even faster

the main use of knife is the SPEED

more than anything

[jaunty fiber]

But my zealot is more comfortable atm. I have so little on him

[bitter turtle]

u can zip around and stay really safe

[trim steppe]

ya knife you can kite anything you want so you dont need to kill anything lmao

[jaunty fiber]

For now, I need to reframe my relationship with this build

[bitter turtle]

about the build

[vocal fox]

Picture this, monstrosity spawns and you have a knife with +25% damage to unyielding, flesh tearer, mercy killer, serrated blade, and the skill to hit their weak spot

[bitter turtle]

i didnt see the vid bc i dont watch youtubers

just keep in mind

weapon spec is

[jaunty fiber]

I am not a theorycrafter, I can't do this shit on my own

[bitter turtle]

half of it is kinda useless with ciag

[jaunty fiber]

I need content creators of I just grind to a halt

[gusty crane]

Is he using some kind of mod to default spam heavy attacks?

[bitter turtle]

since the crit only procs on the first bullet

[trim steppe]

once the rest of your team dies just zip ahead solo to the respawn point, boom you got yourself a pacifist build

[bitter turtle]

weapon spec prefers singel shot weapons

not that its unusable or bad

the melee half of weapon spec is really strong

but it might be worth considering the other keystones too

[terse idol]

Wait

I mean

Eventually you'll hit the weak spot

[jaunty fiber]

Oh the weapon spec isn't something I care about the gun buff with as much

[terse idol]

If you have a team

🥹

[bitter turtle]

i mean im not saying mercy killer is bad, but u'll also proc precog nonstop lol

[jaunty fiber]

It's the jacked melee buff

[terse idol]

Also second uh, about that whole "he's using a knife and columnus"

[bitter turtle]

if you're dancing with a monstro

[terse idol]

Columnus is one of the best guns in the game rn

Knife has high mobility

[jaunty fiber]

LIke, i'd been playing around with other weapons and the sheer amount of juice it pours into combat knives is silly

[terse idol]

My friend isn't using it much for melee he's using it to run around

Which is completly valid

[jaunty fiber]

like you noticed the buff way more on knives than anything else

[bitter turtle]

well it juices up all melees really well tbh

[jaunty fiber]

it's weird

[terse idol]

I just think it's really better as a zealot

[jaunty fiber]

Like you can even feel it swing faster

[bitter turtle]

well yeah

it does swing faster

if u pick up trenchf ighter and the wep specialist

[tall torrent]

Knife is fun because it’s fast and it has decent anti-elite power
It makes u run almost as fast as gun psyker

[bitter turtle]

25% faster exactly lol

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

its strong on all melee really

theres not really a melee weapon that goes "yeah i dont really care about 25% aspd"

[jaunty fiber]

Well I mean the point is that the melee spec buff feels strongest on the knife, even if it's not numerically king

[bitter turtle]

i think psword with weapon spec is absolutely disgusting personally

[jaunty fiber]

Like you can just feel the speed and crit damage buffs way harder than most other things that use finesse

[bitter turtle]

but psword is that in general ig

[tall torrent]

It’s extra fun for knife because your dodges go from great to insanely good

[jaunty fiber]

It is, but it's notably slower to me. I'm getting used to it still and I need a better sword

[bitter turtle]

but it really fixes psword's below avg mobility and makes you into a spinny meatgrinder

[jaunty fiber]

My current one isn't great

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna do the unthinkable

I’m gonna play born leader with gloryhunter plasma

[bitter turtle]

lol

[terse idol]

Damn I missed this tanner stuff

Regrettie

[bitter turtle]

honeslty

[terse idol]

Played a bad game, missed drama

[bitter turtle]

change that rampage into bromentum

and that's perfectly fine lol

better than mine at least

[serene sage]

I bet you will feel nothing
Because it will feel more or less the same

Born Leader is cursed to be mediocre

[bitter turtle]

dont forget to take

focus target

[jaunty fiber]

Oh it works just fine, yeah it's just I want that cleave damage higher

[bitter turtle]

toughness node

[jaunty fiber]

Like a lot higher

Also, yeah, the blessings on melee weapons are arcane to me for Vet

No one seems to care to codify that info like the other classes have

[tall torrent]

He made a decent-ish veteran breakdown that missed the mark on several pretty important things

[serene sage]

Dude owes me $50 jk

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

I have focus target but not target down
Would have to drop longshot for it

[serene sage]

Well in case you haven't noticed, we hate each other

[terse idol]

Who Tanner/

?

[bitter turtle]

but the value

if you stack everything together

[terse idol]

Because wow I didn't realise I was gonna see him again past his gun tier list

[bitter turtle]

u actually will restore

100 toughness~

[jaunty fiber]

Look can we not backtrack to 20 minutes ago to a topic that's over?

[bitter turtle]

that's a whole

[terse idol]

B tier on revolver burns

[bitter turtle]

FIFTEEN TOUGHNESS

for your team

[jaunty fiber]

I do not whanna relive this, please.

[terse idol]

A tier on recon

Hurts

[bitter turtle]

x3 = 45 toughness

[idle carbon]

the other class chats seem way less contentious than vet chat most of the time
why is that?

[terse idol]

Sure

[bitter turtle]

omg 45 toughness on one node

that's like 4x the value of CK

[terse idol]

Just don't mention stamina regen on Zealot