veteran-class

[bleak bolt]

i feel like ive been lied to

the betrayal

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[delicate estuary]

[bleak bolt]

im gonna need a min..

deletes skill tree and starts over again

[delicate estuary]

skill tree was fine from what I saw

and your mk12 is fine

you just know that you have to go to psychanium to see whats what

[bleak bolt]

yeahhh

im partially memeing but now im wanting to do some testing

FOR SCIENCE

[delicate estuary]

nice one more for the clone vats

operation succesful

[bleak bolt]

btw - VoC or Exec stance for kantrael?

ive always used exec

but.. it doesn't deliver on higher diffs (or at least, not as much of a crutch as Voc)

[delicate estuary]

I am the wrong person to ask that as I am extremely biased against anything VOC related

[tall torrent]

For MG12 you specifically want exe

[bleak bolt]

due to its crutch - understandable lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s very hard to reach its 1HS breakpoints without exe

[bleak bolt]

i figured

[tall torrent]

And an MG12 that doesn’t reach its 1HS breakpoints just isn’t worth playing imo

[delicate estuary]

imo exe stance will teach you positioning way better than any other ability but you will have plenty of moments where you will go "I wish I had voc so these pubs stop drooling glue" @bleak bolt

[bleak bolt]

but when random pubs are folding due to a rager blob or something else, VoC is just so clutch

but it is an ez mode button

i def use it on my plasma gun build tho

[bleak bolt]

oh trust me - ive carried my fair share

[delicate estuary]

I just accept the loses when exe cant carry something that is impossible to carry anyways

[bleak bolt]

lasgun is my bae

[tall torrent]

I should also mention that bayonet kills with Helbore can refresh exe stance

[delicate estuary]

and try to see what I can make work

[bleak bolt]

i think you've reached the level of - it'll be too easy with this, lemme make it hard for myself lol

for fun

[delicate estuary]

just remember to exit mission on time so you dont waste hours of your life waiting for infinite loading screens

[bleak bolt]

ofc

[bleak bolt]

brother what

[muted knot]

Funny but hardly a saving grace for it sadly

[bleak bolt]

I NEED MORE PLASTEEL

so much science'ing to do

[jovial aurora]

I just can't get a revolver with one good stat and surgical four to pop

[tall torrent]

Exe stance doesn’t benefit the bayonet at all but bayonet kills can refresh exe stance

[jovial aurora]

I get good rolls off brunts but hadron just takes them from me

[eternal sable]

oh god

[bleak bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

this is me everytime i go to hadron

[eternal sable]

people are still talking about helbores?

LOL

[bleak bolt]

waiting for her to brick my god rolls

[tall torrent]

Exe is a noticeable dmg boost for most weapons (even ones that already reach breakpoints) in my experience

[jovial aurora]

I always have reload as dump

[bleak bolt]

this is kinda cool actually

Helbores > recon lasgun

can agree with that at least lolol

[jovial aurora]

Wait how the fuck is recon your comparison to hellbore

Lmfao

The only thing they have in common is GUN

[zealous wyvern]

youre telling me this is not unarmoured?

[crude ermine]

Turned my perfectly rolled Rashad into a corpse of mush

[tall torrent]

Maniac is “armor” yes

[zealous wyvern]

flak?

oh

maniac

i see

well yeah its because they "ignore pain"

its not armour

its maniac

[crude ermine]

They're the kind of "too angry to die" kinda armour

[zealous wyvern]

theyre too crazy to feel

yeah

[delicate estuary]

thats maniac my guy

[zealous wyvern]

its not actual armour, just damage reduction

[muted knot]

Also las

[delicate estuary]

dont use visual queues for armor definition

go into psychanium

and test

[zealous wyvern]

no it makes sense tho

that its maniac and not unarmoured

[delicate estuary]

the scab flamer is maniac as well

even tho its full flak on visual

[elder dawn]

do not test anything just kill things

[bleak bolt]

Hadron is the final boss

[bleak bolt]

from what ppl mentioned - it is an armor-type apparently

i was shook, for sure lol

[gritty mountain]

Does anyone find this blessing on powerswords useful?

[crude ermine]

Not really

[muted knot]

Your cleave is already insane

[tall torrent]

It increases your cleave by 400% and allows u to cleave a minimum of 4 targets
This allows u to damage multiple crushers at once, and even cleave through bulwark shields

[gritty mountain]

That would be good I suppose

[tall torrent]

It’s a very strong blessing but for a different purpose than brutal momentum

[gritty mountain]

This is my usual go to for powerswords, replacing slaughterer with Rampage sometimes

[tall torrent]

If your goal is to fight a bunch of melee elites at the same time, sunder is the best way to go

[gritty mountain]

Yea hadnt thought of that

[tall torrent]

It’s very high but not stupidly high

A regular power sword can cleave 3 dreg ragers or 2 scab ragers on energized hit

Then the cleave stops

Sunder allows u to cleave minimum of 4

[gritty mountain]

Thank you, and which would be better for that role, the Mk3 or Mk 6 do you think?

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is better for most scenarios rn

More versatile moveset, faster horde clear atks, innate 25% block efficiency and the ability to block cancel charge-up

[delicate estuary]

how do you do the cancel charge up

[tall torrent]

Press block immediately after sword turns blue

[crude ermine]

Helps going into the shove attack

[delicate estuary]

shove attack is nice but sometimes having stamina is more important

was just curious regarding the cancel

[jovial aurora]

Slaughterer is so fucking borked

In a good way

[agile yew]

Which side of the tree to move on while leveling? And any other tips to make it smoother?

[delicate estuary]

if you want an easy time just go shredders into voice of command

[agile yew]

Ok ty

[sterile wadi]

If you want a easier time use a recon lasgun

@muted knot swears by them

[muted knot]

Stop

You bitch

[uncut haven]

best blessings on plasma gun?

[crude ermine]

Gets hot is one of them

I forget the other

[midnight totem]

Blaze away

Or volatile

[uncut haven]

cool thnx

[wanton dawn]

Blaze away/get hot

[obsidian umbra]

what are shredder frag grenades good for? The damage feels really mid

[tall torrent]

Throw 1 for stagger
Throw 2 for AoE bleed dmg (kills loads of things)

[terse idol]

personally would skip out on volatile, and get glory hunter, but gets hot and blaze it is ideal

[tall torrent]

U can stagger bosses with them

U can deal a ton of damage to mass ragers & maulers with them

[hollow ibex]

Frags are the best nades

[torpid sundial]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

SURGICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

[odd merlin]

I like the Krak. They stick to armor and unyeilding.

[torpid sundial]

only no respite and surgical left

no need for krak when there's at least two people in your team melting armored targets

[odd merlin]

True, but they sure clean up those heavy patrols in a hurry.

[torpid sundial]

yeah they're great in a pinch

since you guarantee kills

[odd merlin]

Barely have to aim.

Frags are just that good too. I have to admit.

[muted knot]

Damage while good is secondary imo, the grenades you you space and time

[torpid sundial]

staggers every enemy, bleeds ads to death and/or softens them up so you or your team can kill them with just one more melee

you can throw it onto the ground and revive someone

and it gives you space and time to do it

[hollow ibex]

Yeah the ability to generate space and make a mixed horde fuck off is truly invaluable

I’ve been spoiled by voc and frags

Have a hard time playing zealot lol

[torpid sundial]

makes everything a lot more manageable

[severe adder]

what combat axe is best and what blessings? rashad brutal momentum + what other?

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 is best
You need brutal momentum + headtaker for blessings, as well as unarmored perk

[severe adder]

and the last pek?

flak maniac?

[tall torrent]

2nd perk is preferably flak

But getting all 4 right is extremely difficult

[strange sparrow]

A lot of cases, you would be more fond with krak because it kill whatever you want to kill

Crusher/Bulwark is annoying

[cursive nebula]

What's the best chainsword perks

And plasma

[tall torrent]

Flak
Unarmored
Maniac

[ruby moss]

hey guys, is Make every shot count penance bugged?

or just really hard?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored saves u talent points if you don’t want to go bottom left tree much

Otherwise the go-to is elite + carapace/unyielding

[tall torrent]

Not bugged just hard

My recommendation is revolver/shotgun, shoot only when you’re 100% sure you will hit an enemy that’s not dead

[ruby moss]

understood, ty brother

[uncut haven]

pretty good?

[serene bough]

Pretty good but I think flak should be changed to maniac

[uncut haven]

gotcha gotcha

[severe adder]

na i like flak

maniacs are flak anyways

i have that exact same plasma gun but slighly worse stats lol

[uncut haven]

yeah i got really lucky ha

[spring spindle]

If you have a weapon that can deal with hordes well. Usually I take Krak. I’ll take Shredder with stuff like Bolter and Plasma gun

[trim nacelle]

veteran are lame, but nice to ogryn, so it’s ok

[cursive nebula]

Yhank you! What about blessings for the chainsword?

[odd merlin]

Found a great set up for my heavy las pistol. Still a bit of an ammo hog.

Something to ramp up your cleave dmg and crit works well with chainsword.

[tall torrent]

Wrath + rampage seems to be the meta option
Savage sweep is an okay substitute for wrath on Mk4, if you want to mainly use heavy attacks for hordes
Bloodletter is an okay damage boost on non-crusher elites as well as bosses

[odd merlin]

Mainiacs and unarmoured are great perks for clearing hordes too.

[muted knot]

Manic is a whole different armor type, they might look like flak but aren't

[severe adder]

maniacs arent an armor theyre a mob type

[odd merlin]

Ragers, bombers stuff like that

[severe adder]

yea but some of em wear flak

[wet elk]

full bore or no respite?

[tall torrent]

FB

[odd merlin]

Wow, dealer's choice on that one.

[wet elk]

and this one

switch which one with full bore?

i would imagine no respite?

no, keep no respite on this

[tall torrent]

Scatter to FB

[wet elk]

yeah seems better

melk has this lol

those blessings seem to complement eachother

[cerulean void]

until the stagger makes the enemy weakspot bounce like an ogryn from a 100meter drop

[junior needle]

Yeah that’s a 4/4 scuffed, that combo is way less impressive in practice than you think

Falter can actually gimp you

[wet elk]

i see how

[odd merlin]

It's also nice to give you time to traget multiple targets. So it can be a blessing or a curse.

[junior needle]

The scab flamer wears flak armor but counts as a maniac for its armor type

Mob type would be specialist or elite

[severe adder]

he count for both

the flak armoed part is flak

[tall torrent]

Huh?

[severe adder]

like his arms dont count as flak amor

but teh body part where he is armoed does count as flak armor

[tall torrent]

Scab flamer whole body is maniac

[junior needle]

Yeah gameslantern has the whole body as maniac

[muted gorge]

the last, and arguably hardest achievment i have to get. wish me luck

[junior needle]

Pretty sure I’ve shot the flamers chest and got maniac in the psyk too

[severe adder]

the whoele body is maniac

but the body is also flak

[junior needle]

[tall torrent]

What’s your source

[muted gorge]

talkin about flak ragers?

[junior needle]

Scab flamer

[muted knot]

Scab flamer

[severe adder]

this channel

[muted gorge]

oh i didnt know maniac applied to the flamers too

[tall torrent]

??

[junior needle]

He visibly has flak, but is typed as maniac

[terse idol]

Wack

[muted knot]

Flamers,trappers, maniacs, muties

[junior needle]

So he’s all maniac for damage purposes

[odd merlin]

Yes you can read the types in the meatgrinder.

[terse idol]

I'm deead

[junior needle]

Just like how the unarmored rager isn’t actually unarmored

But a maniac

[muted knot]

You seem awfully alive for a dead person

[tall torrent]

U can test in the meat grinder to see if having a +25% flak improves your dmg against scab flamer at all

[odd merlin]

It helps if you hit them in the head their helmets are flak.

[muted knot]

If it were both you'd get +50% damage on scab flamers

[tall torrent]

Please just go into meat grinder and shoot them to see if the +25% flak helps against scab flamers

[severe adder]

i dont think flamers wear flak armor

mutatns and trappers dont wear flak armor

so they dont get the buff

[tall torrent]

Flamers are not flak

[muted knot]

Brother what

[trim steppe]

Weirldly, the plasma gun treats mauler helmets as flak armor. No idea why, all other weapons the helmet is carapace

[tall torrent]

Even if the scab flamer looks like he’s wearing flak, he’s not

[severe adder]

yea htats what i said flamers dont wear flak armor

[tall torrent]

He’s exclusively maniac

He’s not “both maniac and flak at the same time”

[severe adder]

whof

i said flamer doesnt wear flak a wikel ao

[junior needle]

[muted knot]

Actual brainrot

[severe adder]

on the ones that do yea

[muted knot]

Oh my god we are back at square 1

[severe adder]

if you wre refering to exclusively the flamer than no that doesnt apply

[desert thicket]

is this alright?

[odd merlin]

Flamer both freg and scab = Maniac.

[junior needle]

Both blessings big suck, put rampage on it

[junior needle]

Vicious is probably the worst there

[tall torrent]

Bricked unfortunately

[desert thicket]

oof

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair he doesn't wear maniac armour either

But is "maniac"

[severe adder]

like i said, if you were refering to exclusively the flamer then no it does not apply

[muted knot]

Okay what was your original point about then ?

I got the impression we are talking flamers

[severe adder]

sorry, im in a game lol

i honestly dont even remmber what we were originally talking about

i do konw for sure that elites do stack with armor

[muted knot]

Hahaha all good man

[odd merlin]

Scabs wear flak armored helmets. Dregs do not. Either type is a maniac, however rending and brittleness from weps and talents can still affect dmg.

[muted knot]

Elite does cause it's not a armor type

[severe adder]

mob types and amor stacks

[severe adder]

basically this guy taught me a lotta stuff

[junior needle]

Yes, they’re two different things

[tall torrent]

Visual indicator on armor usually tells u what armor they are
This excludes scab flamer because despite visually wearing flak armor it’s 100% maniac

[severe adder]

both flamers and trappers dont wear flak

well from what i konw maniac iare the guys that yell audibly

[wise fossil]

Anyone ever had luck with Take a Swing? I got IV on a standard issue shovel and the push attack is a strikedown so it could be good

[muted knot]

Allegedly pretty damn good

[tall torrent]

Take a swing is good for Mk7 and standard issue

Especially for mk7 because the push atk into 2 light atks are all overhead strikes

And all 3 hits will get buffed by TAS

Very good dmg

[wise fossil]

Neat, I'll take it for a test run tonight, thanks

[runic grove]

what power sword do we use

[wise fossil]

6 is the cool one

[runic grove]

any must take talents with plasma gun?

[pastel geode]

They only difference is movesets from my understanding

[runic grove]

i have to abuse this shit before its nerfed

[terse idol]

Well scab rager yells but they're flak

🥹

[wise fossil]

Talents not really, but you can learn the reload animation cancel

[runic grove]

i only know the power sword cancel with block

[terse idol]

Hold on there is

You need weakpoint, and elite damage

[sterile wadi]

This worth grabbin?

[untold mulch]

Wouldn't elite and ogryn talents be good for breakpoints

[terse idol]

To meet dredge gunner bp

[tall torrent]

As long as u have this you’re basically set

[runic grove]

ty. no reload perk from start?

[tall torrent]

You’re gonna reload a combined total like 4 times over 1 mission with plasma

I don’t think that’s enough use for reload speed talents

[wise fossil]

Uh there's a halfway decent vid. Lemme find it

[untold mulch]

if you need to reload in a time sensitive situation

you done fucked up

[runic grove]

perfect. now i can ruin every other classes game because they are useless and will not kill a single elite if im in the game

[sterile wadi]

pls oh epic vet mains, grace me with the knowledge of if this is worth buying

[tall torrent]

It’s not quite like that

[wise fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDUyYbY_4cc&t=121

[tall torrent]

Also plasma needs headshots to 1 tap some enemies

Keep that in mind

[muted knot]

Can't load it

Is it recon las ?

[sterile wadi]

mk XII
78% dmg
80% Pen
77% Mob
77% Def
60% Shred
15% dmg (carapiece)
lvl 2 slaughter

[muted knot]

Tryna figure out what that is

Chainsword ?

[wise fossil]

It's not perfect by any means but the blessing is okay

[sterile wadi]

Chainaxe

[muted knot]

Ohhhh

I think you want high shred on chaxe

[idle swallow]

I only like chainaxe on weapon specialist cuz it feels too slow otherwise

[runic grove]

idk does not appear to be that much faster :D

[jovial aurora]

I prefer devils claw over all as basic and dumb as that sounds

Fucker light tap shreds through hordes with the right perks blessings and passive

[idle swallow]

If you got armor pierce on ranged devil claw is perfectly fine

[wise fossil]

It's really not. Just a fun trick if you like that kind of thing. Way more important to understand when the correct time is to start the reload

[jovial aurora]

Plus the thing with ragers and crushers is amazing once you figure out how to include in your flow lol

I'm running a 7 that came with damn good perks on it

Albeit I want a iv I just not gonna take the effort into making one just yet the one I got slaps

I still got a revolver to perfect for him and a illyses and a crusher for my psyker and zealot respectively before I can get choosy about replacing a near perfect weapon with the model of perfect weapon I'd prefer lol

[wise fossil]

Do y'all like catch a breath or get back in the fight?

[inland orchid]

Bothum

[wise fossil]

But if you had to pick 😅

[delicate estuary]

Get back in the fight

[muted knot]

Then you are building wrong

[delicate estuary]

I never see myself not being within 8 meters of enemies

[inland orchid]

Latter cuz high intensity stuff can ensure that u are never away from enemies

[idle swallow]

I do catch a breath on my helbore/plasma loadouts and get back for everything else

[delicate estuary]

So it's absolutely useless for me

Even on marksman type builds

There is always something behind you for me to find usage for it

[inland orchid]

Wrong this wrong that, what should matter is that if they’re having fun

[muted knot]

Yeah no enemies within 8meters sounds like those times when the AI director just forgets to spawn enemies

[sonic marlin]

idk which one of these to choose

[wise fossil]

I usually pick GBiTF for the same reasons

[terse idol]

8m is... tough

Like, I run marksmens focus

Some maps do work

[tall torrent]

It’s not as bad as u think

[muted gorge]

does getting blown up by a burster count as getting hit in melee for the on overwatch achievment?

[terse idol]

But then what, you can uh, 1 tap gunners

[delicate estuary]

Stam regen

[cerulean void]

it's a talent that, if you have a great team who knows how to cover a Vet who can do priority shooter removal/suppression, can be absolutely busted

[inland orchid]

Yes

[terse idol]

🥹

[tall torrent]

U lose health so

[muted knot]

I hoped the staregryn made it obvious that I'm kidding

[sonic marlin]

or what else should i put here, i hear the regen isn't the greatest

[muted gorge]

it specifically says hit in melee

[terse idol]

All im saying is, you gotta take care of yourself

[inland orchid]

Tone is a fickle thing my friend, I don’t got ur mind and u don’t got mine

[muted gorge]

not hit at all

[terse idol]

In the grand scheme of things the other talent is gonna do it better

[muted knot]

Sorry

[cerulean void]

it's just that something equivalent to stun immunity is way better than essentially just losing damage if enemies are near you

[terse idol]

Yeah

Because it works regardless of conditions

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen

[terse idol]

Besides like getting overhead

[inland orchid]

No need to be sorry but is appreciated

[wise fossil]

Toughness regen is quite good

[cerulean void]

if it was damage after x amount of time not getting hit?

it'd be fuckin beaut

[delicate estuary]

It's very nice with deadshot if you fuck up you get stam back

The get back in the fight I mean

[sonic marlin]

proof

[wise fossil]

When you have more toughness you die less

Big brain shit

[sonic marlin]

[cerulean void]

anything to boost the window on Veteran's stam or toughness regen windows will always be goated, as long as you know how your kit interacts with itself

[wise fossil]

[idle swallow]

fr no cap ong?

[cerulean void]

you can build as much big number as you want but at the end of the day knowing how to use small number is better

[terse idol]

Well kinda

5% on alot of things doesn't change much

But I get what you mean

[sonic marlin]

too many choices

[wise fossil]

Stamina regen is also great on vet specifically

[sonic marlin]

ability recharge, both stamina/sprint, defense from some enemy type, toughness regen

[cerulean void]

I wish swapping curio blessings wasn't so expensive, otherwise I'd actually experiment

for me, toughness regen, stam regen and revive speed go brrrr

[sonic marlin]

revive speed kek

everyone is on their own

fug it

[cerulean void]

yeah I'm a resident infiltrate vet so 😛

[delicate estuary]

When you realise toughness regen is uhh multiplicative

[wise fossil]

Pretty sure the damage resistances are multiplicitive too

[delicate estuary]

Yes

But at least damage resistances do not multiply from a shit regen rate that is class dependent

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115126268560678972/1195186780337614920/xp5b48mi1pbc1.gif?ex=65b3136d&is=65a09e6d&hm=df88c51e1f478d97e724635b5c68ed40b700b730b59b57134244e5081f86d06d&

[delicate estuary]

Vet being the lowest I believe if I am not mistaken

[sonic marlin]

so do i diitch the defense against gunners

[wise fossil]

Steam guide claims toughness regen is a flat rate

[cerulean void]

but we also have the most toughness modifiers and gain potential

[delicate estuary]

If I am not mistaken only ogryns can make good use of toughness regen

[cerulean void]

I'd keep it, cause it's at tier 4

unless you want to get rid of the extra toughness

[delicate estuary]

Defense against gunners is nice but I don't personally see as mandatory unless it's zealot or ogryn

[wise fossil]

One or two gunner resist is fine

[cerulean void]

keep in mind you can swap out 2 perks on those curios so you essentially get a free space considering you have t4 gunner and toughness

IMO one gunner resist is pretty good, at least in my knife builds one resist will keep the start of a gunner barrage from breaking my toughness while I close the distance to cut their neck

[wise fossil]

Also gunner resist is only the MG guys iirc. No shotguns, no basic shooters

[terse idol]

Yep

[cerulean void]

aye, just the hellgun users

[delicate estuary]

Ye

[terse idol]

Well and dredge gunners

[delicate estuary]

I just rely on one tapping them before they shower me

[cerulean void]

I like to smoke grenade their back line and force them into a melee >:3

[delicate estuary]

So I just run triple health, triple toughness and triple stam regen with 3 stamina and one health and one toughness

[cerulean void]

fff... don't need an oggy when you're the health pool

[delicate estuary]

You can get over 200 with that for a very tanky budget zealot build that doesn't use VOC

Add VOC on top you are chilling at 250

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is not that great

[tall torrent]

Zealot with loner

[wise fossil]

Keep seeing contradictory takes on this 🤔

[cerulean void]

that's just making bad toughness regen work with extra steps

[delicate estuary]

Also remember toughness regen only works in coherency

Or if you can stack stupid amounts of it

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/leman-russ-punisher-shootas-blood-and-teef-guardsmen-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-gif-25038096

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is coherency toughness regen only, speeds up regen delay & regen rate
If you get hit (by anything), it pauses and needs to wait for delay to pass to start regen

[wise fossil]

Yeah I knew that part. Passive coherency regen

Loner zealots take notice lol

[tall torrent]

It’s only 5 toughness per second at full 4 player coherency I think? Which is not that great

[wary galleon]

taking notice is not their strong suit

[cerulean void]

shortening the toughness regen delay, like the stamina regen delay, is good if you need it but can be worked around otherwise

[tall torrent]

Most of your toughness regen should be from your talents

[delicate estuary]

^^

[wise fossil]

The regen delay reduction still seems good

[fickle urchin]

any laspistol users in here>?

[wary galleon]

nah

feel they are not good enough for my playstyle

[tall torrent]

In comparison
Catch a breath is passive 5%/s as long as no enemy within 8m (it’s not as harsh as u think)
On a normal veteran build you should have around 160+ toughness minimum
That’s 8 toughness per second, a +60% increase over full 4 player coherency regen

[cerulean void]

yeah why?

[tall torrent]

It’s not impactful enough to matter, like I said most of your toughness regen should be from talents

[cerulean void]

my toughness regen is from coherency and fucking up heretics with my bare hands

[wise fossil]

I guess specifically vet does have a lot of talents for it

And if it's competing for the slot with stamina regen

[tall torrent]

All 4 classes have a lot of talents to regen toughness

[cerulean void]

wait wait I got one for this

[tall torrent]

Ogryn literally has infinite toughness

[fickle urchin]

do you like raking fire?

[tall torrent]

Ogryn has Smash’Em and The Best Defence

Zealot has Vicious Offering, Blood Redemption and Second Wind

Veteran has Exhilarating Takedown, Confirmed Kill, Out For Blood

Psyker has Warp Expenditure, Mettle, Quietude and Soulstealer

[cerulean void]

it can be useful if you do a flanking build, yeah

IMO laspistol doesn't benefit nearly as much as solid round guns do due to innate cleave

[tall torrent]

They’re all way better than toughness regen on curios

[cerulean void]

laspistols are pretty darn flexible as far as their perks go compared to other guns I find

their already high crit rate and weakpoint modifiers mean that as long as you get dumdum somewhere in there, the other blessing slot is a bit of free game

raking fire would be the damage pick, Infernus if you like a lil fun

Veteran shouldn't really need Reassuringly Accurate but my Psyker has one with it

[terse idol]

Don't you just want to build purely for crits with infernus?

[tall torrent]

Infernus is mainly to get dumdum stacks

The dmg is pretty mediocre for the most part

[runic grove]

dumdum boosts infernus dmg tho

[cerulean void]

I just take it because fuck the meta, stack as many DoTs as you can

[runic grove]

i hope they un-nerf bleed vs monstrosities

[tall torrent]

Outside of Dum Dum u can build whatever on laspistol tbh

[cerulean void]

luv watching a plague ogryn bleed and burn to death while everyone reloads

yeah, Laspistols pretty much need dumdum but once you get it you can really just mess with it

I've like, twelve different laspistols on three different characters

[untold mulch]

IMAGINE

[cerulean void]

they won't do it because if GW OKs it we'll never be able to get away from "four crackhead priests beat daemonhost in back alley for lunch money" as being semi-canonical

[untold mulch]

I mean

We can do it

Knife special attack

[cerulean void]

now you know why I can't get away from my knife builds

punching heretics cross the maw is a pleasure

[untold mulch]

We need a priest/zealot emote

also psyker, I need to do the entire gang with emotes

[sonic marlin]

what would u go for on curios for vet

[tall torrent]

I run a very weird combo

2x +12% stamina regen
2x +12% block efficiency
2x +4% cooldown reduction
1x +20% sniper resist
1x +20% gunner resist
1x +15% sprint efficiency

[sonic marlin]

and people told me i won't be able to do it like what

[sonic marlin]

interesting

no +toughness?

also any comments on my build?

or tips whatever

[tall torrent]

A small +5% roundness doesn’t matter enough imo

And going triple +toughness seems too big of an investment

[cerulean void]

deadshot but not precision strikes?

[tall torrent]

What weapons

[sonic marlin]

columnus mk5

[sonic marlin]

idk, i was told to do it like this

[tall torrent]

If you’re playing deadshot with Columnus mk5 you need like 3x +3 stamina curios

[cerulean void]

I mean, I won't say it's a bad build, it'd certainly put in the work

just, yeah, your stam economy is gutted by deadshot for not a LOT of benefit (IMO)

[wise fossil]

Isn't deadshot for slow firing weapons? Columnus I'd never run that talent

[idle carbon]

four named crackhead priests
we got free reign lol

[cerulean void]

true lol

[cerulean void]

depends. They did change it so it scales

[wise fossil]

I prefer close q killzone over duck and dive

[quasi glacier]

I would love to send a mean right hook into a ragers face, dont know about yall

dont care about canon

let me throw hands

https://tenor.com/view/square-up-fight-me-wsp-gif-19415631

[wise fossil]

Typical fatshark: no way to tell it scales in the tooltip

[idle carbon]

if anyone, ogryn is most likely to get a weapon dedicated to throwing hands

[dry knoll]

more like throwing hounds

[tall torrent]

They changed it into draining a flat amount of stamina per shot & over time, instead of a percentage of the overall stamina u have

[quasi glacier]

some of the ogryns tops got claws already, just let us use them damnn

[tall torrent]

So building a lot of stamina actually helps

[wise fossil]

So slow firing weapons do make more sense

[untold mulch]

Bolter with deadshot is perma crit

[cerulean void]

I personally haven't managed to make a deadshot build work yet

but the weapons I'd take it on I also don't have crit builds for

so

[idle swallow]

Deadshot and an all-or-nothing blessed melee actually kinda works

[terse idol]

Well yeah wait that still means deadshot is better for slower firing wrapons

[strange sparrow]

Bricked

[sonic marlin]

what would u recommend for comunlus mk5

[terse idol]

Need pcycler4, BM, or Rampage

[cerulean void]

Blessing/Perk?

Dumdum+fire frenzy usually
+maniac, then +flak

as long as you get one damage blessing in there you can maybe argue a secondary, utility blessing but it depends on your build

[wise fossil]

Yeah stripped down isn't the worst right now with the bugged gunners

[tall torrent]

It really depends on what you’re trying to do with it

[sonic marlin]

build

[sonic marlin]

kill stuff fast

[sonic marlin]

not Deathspitter?

[tall torrent]

As in, are u aiming to make it deal with carapace? Or just regular human enemies

Because onslaught is not needed if you’re not planning to shoot crushers with it

And that’s a big point save

[cerulean void]

deathspitter is the weaker damage blessing since it doesn't build stacks, it's just a flat x% for y(time)

[sonic marlin]

well the person who told me to use onslaught said he doesn't use it cuz he melees them, i shoot basically everything

[tall torrent]

The other thing is that

Onslaught Columnus mk5 will still burn a lot of ammo trying to kill crushers and you’re seldom dealing with lone crushers

[tiny summit]

I would say meleeing them is still preferable but if you got the ammo you got the ammo.

[cerulean void]

argument here being that shooting crushers is a waste of ammo unless you build specifically for it, and it's easier to use something else than pushing your gun to do it

[tall torrent]

Shooting crushers is a waste of ammo no matter how u build for it, it just depends on whether your gun can afford wasting that ammo

[sonic marlin]

k, what should i use instead of onslaught

[cerulean void]

a melee weapon

[tall torrent]

Have you considered building melee at all?

[sonic marlin]

no

i don't like melee

[tall torrent]

Ok

Delete veteran

Play purgatus Psyker instead

[cerulean void]

or zealot

or ogryn

[sonic marlin]

i hate how every melee needs some shitty combo or being powered up every 2 hits

[tall torrent]

If you’re just not gonna melee, play flame build Psyker

[cerulean void]

that's kind of the name of the game, barring two or three melees

[sonic marlin]

but its just faster if i shoot them

[tall torrent]

Why do u hate learning combos?

[cerulean void]

sadly we're in a horde game that relies on swapping between ranged and melee

[sonic marlin]

its slow and annoying to do combos

[cerulean void]

building for pure ranged will get you killed

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are you mostly playing

[sonic marlin]

4th

[tall torrent]

You don’t need to go that deep into buildcraft if you’re only playing heresy

Just

Delete ur veteran

Play flame build Psyker

Never need to melee

[cerulean void]

if you're in 4s and lower you shouldn't have any problems even with a half put-together build

[sonic marlin]

even auric damnation?

[tall torrent]

You’re not even playing auric damnation so why do u need to care

[tall torrent]

If you’re only playing heresy, you can get away with a pure flame build Psyker

[sonic marlin]

im asking if it still applies there

[tall torrent]

Yea, you said you’re playing heresy

[cerulean void]

also, shouldn't even mention aurics without first mentioning damnation

[sonic marlin]

bruh

i didn't say i wanna play heresy forever

[tall torrent]

In auric damnation you cannot really get away with “not melee ever”

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-be-bruh-beluga-gif-25964074

[jaunty fiber]

You need to git gud then

[cerulean void]

anything above 4s and you WILL need to melee

[tall torrent]

And since you already hate melee so much I don’t think you’ll really get into auric damnation

[jaunty fiber]

If you don't want to learn combos then you don't want to play higher than that

Do the work or dont

[sonic marlin]

i should just try to roll the perect rashad so i can spam light attack

[jaunty fiber]

Hell, just play a combat knife

Horde clear is light spam

[finite imp]

you dont need perfect weapons

[tall torrent]

This won’t matter at all if you’re not good at melee

[cerulean void]

Tier 3 blessings make work

[jaunty fiber]

Also combat knife on weapon specialist builds is nuts

[cerulean void]

Tier 4s are just icing

[sonic marlin]

i don't even know the combos, all i was told that if i wanna use this properly i need horizontal combo and i couldn't manage to do it properly without being hit inbetween

[jaunty fiber]

Ah yeah devil's claws are a bit fiddly at times

[tall torrent]

Are you constantly dodging?

[sonic marlin]

dodging if im surrounded?

[cerulean void]

especially IV, the other marks don't have their strikedowns in the middle of their weave

[jaunty fiber]

You fucked up if you're getting surrounded in the first place

Hm...

[cerulean void]

if you're starting to get surrounded, you do a push attack

learning how to control a horde in melee is very very important

[jaunty fiber]

Have you watched any ChocoB videos on youtube?

[sonic marlin]

no

[dusty nacelle]

MK4's horizontal combo is just L1 > H1 isn't it?

[jaunty fiber]

Check him out. It's just gameplay

BUt he plays like a god

[tall torrent]

Ok better question how much health do u lose as veteran in heresy usually

And how much do u get downed

[sonic marlin]

i don't even know what combos do the other good melees use, idk what good melees there are other than power sword

[jaunty fiber]

And, no joke, watching him has notebly improved my gameplay

[wise fossil]

Wut

[jaunty fiber]

KNowing how to move, how to use weapons in some ways by direct example is pretty powerful. Highly recommend.

[tall torrent]

L1 -> H2, parry can reset combo to start I think

[sonic marlin]

i can manage to stay alive most of the time, sometimes i just fuck up by being left behind or being locked down by some elite

[dusty nacelle]

oh right oops h2 not h1

[wise fossil]

You could try standard issue shovel. The combo is: heavy and then heavy 😆

[tall torrent]

How much health do u usually lose

[dusty nacelle]

If you get surrounded that often you could always use VOC as a get out of jail free card

[junior needle]

I just automate weapon combos with ahk, I made one that does the horizontals over and over for that

[sonic marlin]

idk lmao, its different each game, get to the point

[junior needle]

Makes the gameplay super smooth

[sonic marlin]

give it

here

[jaunty fiber]

Watching a player deal with horde waves by himself or in missions informs a lot about the desiciins being made in moment to moment gameplay.

[cerulean void]

the point is if you're not going down a lot you should be playing 5s

4s are, for the most part, a trap

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah that too, Damnation isn't that much of a step up from heresy

[wise fossil]

Or you could also use chain axe. One of the two just has continuous side to side swings with light attacks

[jaunty fiber]

You'll probably have an EASIER time of it

[wise fossil]

Very straightforward

[tall torrent]

The point is that if you’re losing too much health in heresy or getting downed a good amount, you’re not getting familiar with gameplay basics to even consider going into auric damnation and if I was in that situation I’d learn basic mechanical stuff like “how to melee properly”

Every new player struggling in this game can basically be summed up as “gotta learn melee”

[cerulean void]

to make ranged builds work, you need to make your melee work

[jaunty fiber]

The bottom line here is that you gotta be willing to learn these things

[dusty nacelle]

I do also feel like game sense and enemy targeting priority are super important

but i'm also a little dumb

[jaunty fiber]

You don't have to learn EVERYThing about EVERY weapon

Just your faves

[cerulean void]

like me and combat knife

or me and smokes

I pick up a shredder and I'm useless

[jaunty fiber]

Combat knives are goated

[sonic marlin]

Which melees are also used alot and what combos or stuff do i need for them

[wise fossil]

I was playing with a buddy who's very new and he got a little separated and couldn't get through a doorway. He starts sweating a bit and I ask, "did you push the horde to try and get through the door?"
He says, "I couldn't push them, I was too busy swinging at them"

[jaunty fiber]

That's for you to decide

[tall torrent]

DC4 is perfectly fine

[jolly hemlock]

that and dodging and blockpush

[wise fossil]

Like, Bruh

[tall torrent]

One of the best defensive weapons u can use on veteran

[sonic marlin]

like power sword, do you hit twice, block and power up again then hit twice? lol

[tall torrent]

Handles hordes very easily

[dusty nacelle]

i absolutely love DC4

[jaunty fiber]

Uh, there's a video out there that coveres the preferred combos for every weapon in the game

Lemme see if I can hunt it down

You can just time stamp to the ones you care about

[dusty nacelle]

Literally just L1 > H2 to kill everything and if something big is about to hit you just parry it

[inland orchid]

Oh I know that one it a pretty good guide

[cerulean void]

Every melee weapon can be used. Every melee weapon is different!

[inland orchid]

It don’t got the new new stuff but is no biggie

[dusty nacelle]

Obviously the best melee weapon is the one that makes you smile the most >:)

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah funnily enough, knowing what the old stuff does helps you figure out howto use the newer marks on your own

[cerulean void]

https://tenor.com/view/scars-joker-heath-ledger-gif-11184532

[tall torrent]

Power sword 6 combo is:

Horde clear/stagger:
WS (block cancel) -> L1 -> L2 -> L3

Single target:
WS -> block cancel -> push atk -> L4 -> L1

[cerulean void]

blood pact warriors like:

[idle swallow]

one day I'll get PC4 from melk and on that day they'll probably also nerf it in a hotfix or something

[cerulean void]

I'm waiting to finally get HH4 for my lasrifle only for them to bring surgical to it

[tranquil bronze]

Lol, I opened up a can of worms on the Darktide reddit.

[cerulean void]

what flavour?

[tranquil bronze]

Title: I left a grimoire holder for dead

[cerulean void]

if you pick up a grim and can't stay up with it, you prolly shouldn't carry it

[idle swallow]

cleave everything

[tranquil bronze]

One of them called me out for not taking corruption resistance

[shrewd sierra]

I general I rarely bother with grims

Often times it can doom a mission

For very little reward.

[cerulean void]

look, I actually do enjoy doing grims from time to time, but they are incredibly underrewarding, even I can admit that

you don't need corruption resistance, especially since it really only helps against the initial splat

well, that and grim corruption and enemy corruption are calculated as two different perks

[shrewd sierra]

They need to make them much more rewarding for me to bother with them tbh

[tall torrent]

Grim should only ever be considered picking if there’s a purity aura zealot on the team

[shrewd sierra]

And in some missions a grim spawns in like first room

And with no corruption cleanser on the team

It means by the time you're done

You're all at 1% hp lol

[tall torrent]

Make Grims roll a 2nd emperor’s gift and I’ll consider picking them up

[shrewd sierra]

Exactly.

[tall torrent]

Otherwise never

[cerulean void]

the fact that they:
give a bit splat up front
have Corruption-over-time
only give dockets/xp
and don't effect end-game rewards

means they're unrewarding

[shrewd sierra]

Make it useful, either chance of extra loot for 1, and 100% chance on 2.
But giving me XP at lvl 30 is pointless and I am running out of crafting mats more often than I am low on dockets.

[cerulean void]

the fact they don't have a commendation chest equivalent is kind of offensive

[shrewd sierra]

So 50% chance of extra item at 1, 100% if 2 grims.
Or 25% or 50% more crafting mats multiplier or something for 1 and 2 grims..
ANYTHING other than XP.

Even with the "Truelvl" mod

XP is still kinda pointless

And just a little "flex" of showing your play time

[tall torrent]

True lvl is pointless

[shrewd sierra]

It can show experience

[cerulean void]

I'll show you experience

dies to a single poxwalker

[shrewd sierra]

If I see a guy lvl 30 (+2) and a guy lvl 30 (+702) I know which one is most likely better lol

[tall torrent]

There already is flex for the endgame grind frames and insignia stuff

[cerulean void]

the 30+2 because it's their twelfth character

(it's me, I'm that person)

[shrewd sierra]

I mean I get it

I rerolled my Zealot to fix her voice.

Lmao.

[tall torrent]

A hazard hunter frame player with orthus champion insignia is showing experience enough I think

[cerulean void]

I get a laugh when I'm in a low level mission as a lv1 character and have to carry two level 20s across the finish line

it's a good funny

[jovial aurora]

Get slaughterer in place of that savage sweep and maniac instead of elite and you got yourself a fuckin animal

[whole crane]

Full tempestus scion gear when

[stone folio]

how does skullcrusher function on the devil claw

[cerulean void]

uhh... the same as on other weapons?

if the target is staggered, they take more damage

[stone folio]

yeh but like.... can it make decent use of it?

[cerulean void]

parry counts as stagger IIRC

[stone folio]

or is it after a push attack/parry only?

[cerulean void]

as long as they're reeling it counts as stagger

so anything that increases impact would make skullcrusher that much better

[stone folio]

doesnt rampage still give a power boost instead of straight damage?

[cerulean void]

the only thing is it relies on them already being staggered. Things that don't get staggered easily (i.e. crushers, ragers) won't be seeing that increase

[stone folio]

hm makes me wonder why the devil claw has almost no power % blessings

[cerulean void]

and I've no idea on that
all power increases are damage increases, but not all damage increases are power increases

[sharp ember]

it should still

[celest flax]

The hell does defence do?

[cerulean void]

inspect the weapon and hover over the stat bar

[serene orbit]

Finally

[hollow ibex]

Rip your fingers

[cerulean void]

unarmoured to maniac IMO

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

[zealous wyvern]

i am starting to feel the pain of leveling up 10 veterans on one account

i have like no IV blessings for anything

but tons of 1-3

[serene orbit]

I am 99% sure that if I take that out I can't oneshot scab bruisers anymore

[zealous wyvern]

519 hours on this account

[serene orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[zealous wyvern]

great jinx from you two

[zealous wyvern]

i made the first 5 for different names and builds

i then deleted them all to make new ones for krieg

their names didnt suit the korps

[stuck gorge]

whats the perks/blessings that are good for mk3 psword

[serene orbit]

ah, i see, yes

[low oar]

I guess if you're somehow enjoying your very extended roleplay, erp

[cerulean void]

modded in more character slots?

[zealous wyvern]

im not roleplaying

i just have the name

5 is default. i deleted the first 5 to make new 5

[low oar]

Setting the name to fit your role is sorta roleplay though

[zealous wyvern]

i disagree

but i see your point

[sonic marlin]

decent?

[low oar]

Yeee decent

[zealous wyvern]

decent

[stuck gorge]

?

[low oar]

Missing on damage but everything else is good

[sonic marlin]

i wanted to try this one anyway

[zealous wyvern]

powercycler 4, rampage?

[low oar]

Power.cycler IV and slaughter

[zealous wyvern]

slaughterer then

[stuck gorge]

and perks?

[zealous wyvern]

no wasnt it uh

[low oar]

Flak, maniac typically

[zealous wyvern]

i am trying to remember

there is another blessings supposedly better than slaughterer for some people

[cerulean void]

brutal momentum

[serene orbit]

funny part is, i'm probably not gonna notice not being able to oneshot bruisers when in the thick of things

yay ~1mil dockets spent on getting that stupid axe

[zealous wyvern]

why are you getting a stupid axe?

[serene orbit]

so it can be wielded by a stupid person

[cerulean void]

I only fight with intellectually stagnant butter knives

[stuck gorge]

by any chance can an ogryn wield the stupid person wielding the stupid axe for a enhanced sentient melee?

[junior needle]

brutal momentum or sunder are the current best second blessing options for both pswords. Due to brutal letting you get first target damage on multiple targets, its clear boost overwhelmingly surpasses both rampage and slaughter provded you are capable of hitting heads.

I think the brudal momentum design is a bit gooby and unbalanced by nature

[umbral scaffold]

Gooby ahh

True enlightenment is using slaughterer and spamming lights

[junior needle]

Or just use a psword 6

And spam lights

Actually wait no

True enlightenment is

LACERATE
FLESH TEARER
COMBAT BLADE

[stuck gorge]

i shoot a barrel next to you and you fly 10 miles to your death off a ledge

[umbral scaffold]

I will eliminate your offspring

[junior needle]

Every word you say to me only pushes me further to the EDGE

[cerulean void]

anyone can bleed combat blade

only masters can mercy killer+ruthless backstab

[junior needle]

Ruthless backstab consistently nets you much less rending uptime on attacks compared to uncanny

[cerulean void]

back poke go brrr

[junior needle]

It's like, you get one sicknasty backstab on a crusher, and then you've blown your whole load

And you could've gotten a consistent 120% with near permanent uptime just by aiming upwards, doesn't even drop on non-weakspot hits

Seems like it's there for memes

[midnight totem]

This conversation is sounding very Slaaneshi

[gray finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/836221557398306861/1197223068402200718/makesweet-i4wynb.gif?ex=65ba7bde&is=65a806de&hm=2fbee9141b9aa1f136a1d23cb8e51ac36c3020bdb5a5ce2ce4d44cd58ae1b592&

[umbral scaffold]

The backstab is there for when you wanna kickstart some funnies

I think there's merit in uncanny backstab

If you wanna start a fight with a stealth attack, using only uncanny means you start it with no rending

And it also makes it harder to deal with the plague ogryn and chaos spawn from the back

It's kind of like raking fire if dumdum needed headshots

[gray finch]

?

[umbral scaffold]

?

[junior needle]

Depends on how well you can go from hording to getting an angle on your target

Not a problem for stealth zealot

[junior needle]

You go in and out with the permastealth setup all the time

[umbral scaffold]

Sometimes I swear I was a spy main in my previous life

[swift ingot]

I wanted to like ghost but I can’t hit weakspots consistently enough to get all that much use out of it

[fiery plinth]

any thoughts on this autogun?

[low yacht]

People play veteran at distance I run in with my zealot?

[umbral scaffold]

The flick backstabs I occasionally pull would make any man wet

[junior needle]

Good gun, but 3/4 scuffed. You want deadly but nothing else on there.

Vraks 3 excels with headhunter/deadly

Perks are probably flak/maniac as usual

But someone should double check

[gusty bison]

Buy and SLURRRRRP

[fiery plinth]

deadly as in deadly accuraet?

[gusty bison]

The deadly acc

[low yacht]

I blew myself up yesterday with plasma gun. Funny.

[junior needle]

Yeah that's my advice as well, take it for t4 deadly if you like the headhunters

[gray finch]

what about consistent 116% rending if you just hit enemies in the head + it work with bleed

[junior needle]

120%

[low yacht]

It depends on the melee weapon.

[junior needle]

Even better

[low yacht]

Is rending good on power swords?

[gray finch]

i mean you just taking agro of evey big target and killing instead if loosing agro to make a space to hit backstab

[junior needle]

You shouldn't see a difference on anything that isn't a crusher on charged attacks

So it'll give you a bit of bonus damage over 100%, but at 1/4 the value. Supercharge is kinda bad for that reason.

Redundant

[low yacht]

People are still reviewing darktide.

[umbral scaffold]

So it would seem

[tranquil bronze]

I can't help but laugh at my reddit post "I Left A Grimoire Holder For Dead"

People are actually arguing in favor of the holder because Melk

[zealous wyvern]

the path of the righteous is a lonely one

i hope you see the truth one day

may the Emperor forgive your

uh

[serene orbit]

dude i support that

[zealous wyvern]

mis

givings

[tranquil bronze]

I punish the heretical holders of the filthy grimoire

[zealous wyvern]

its not hereticals

they are getting it for the inquisitor

[dry knoll]

Grimoires are chaos artifacts, they corrupt all who touch them. Shun the blashphemer!

[zealous wyvern]

do you question your orders?

[tranquil bronze]

Pick up a grim on damnation, you're fair game.

[zealous wyvern]

you will be reported to the inquisitor

i wont pretend i dont sigh when someone picks them up on high difficulty when we do "alright"

but letting them die on purpose?

that is sin

[frank ether]

I join lobby with grim holder
I leave

[zealous wyvern]

that is valid

[tranquil bronze]

I asked nicely "Please drop the grim, it's not worth it."

He told me to "Fuck off."

So I let him die.

[tall torrent]

is fine actually

[tranquil bronze]

Picking up a grim on Damnation Hi-Intensity/Hunting Grounds? That's a troll.

[serene orbit]

yep

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jimbo-brain-jimmy-gif-8685410

Me when I reroll grim missions

[zealous wyvern]

you let a toxic person die

that is much better to me than letting a grimholder die

[serene orbit]

i have left multiple grim takers to die in auric damnation

[zealous wyvern]

ok well on auric t5 youre just asking for it

thats insane

but t5 isnt that hard

grims are not insane there

although you should drop them if politely asked

[terse idol]

Grims are tough, I wouldn't let them die but

Unless everybody is running grim res

It aint it

[tall torrent]

allowing a grimholder to die is fine because grim effects stop the moment he dies and when he gets rescued he won't have corruption on him

[zealous wyvern]

if they say "fuck off" they deserve anything they get for sure

[junior needle]

Based puritan inquisition agent punishing stinky book collectors

[tall torrent]

if I could res I would

[serene orbit]

yes

[tall torrent]

if I can't res in time, allowing them to die is fine

[serene orbit]

"Oh man I can totally go res him.. aw heck I need to go walk my fish, I hope I'll get back in time to make sure he's alright"

[tranquil bronze]

"I can't res you man. My sights are off."

[tall torrent]

plus, u only get 2 wounds in damnation

no point risking a res just so u could be further corrupted urself

[tranquil bronze]

My post on Darktide Reddit is really showing a divide in the community.

[junior needle]

You do be needing to walk the fish, otherwise it gets fat

We've seen what happens when obesefish

[tall torrent]

the only exception to grims is if there's a purity aura zealot on the team

in which case u can sorta gate the corruption

[tall torrent]

Avg Reddit players don’t even play at difficulties where Grims become a problem

[tranquil bronze]

I have literal half comments praising me, and the other half condemning me. I love it.

[serene orbit]

let's be honest tho, if you were worthy of carrying a grim you would never be in a position to die anyway

[tranquil bronze]

I can't help but chuckle when I see the comment:

"Doing grims for Melk"

[austere jolt]

So I leaned pretty heavily into the Marksman talent tree and I've gotten to the point where I can reliably one/two tap most every elite (Crushers take 5 😩) on Damnation. However, whenever an ambush or a horde pop up, I get absolutely slaughtered because the melee side of things is an incredibly potent weakpoint for my build. Are there any tips, tricks, or tomfoolery to make hordes a little more bearable?

[tranquil bronze]

Combat stance is a very high risk build

It's why VoC is the meta.

[austere jolt]

Yeah, I noticed. I just like me some "There's a Gu--nevermind" 20 times in an engagement. >>

[tranquil bronze]

For melee weapons, you'll want the oens that say "crowd control"

But even then, there's only so much you can do.

[dry knoll]

I'd be happier with ES if the squad provided cover and protection, but every time I run it it's 0 coherancy every knife for themselves type games

[austere jolt]

See, I've been playing around with the Catachan swords because they seem to be pretty strong for crowd control, but it feels like they're pretty useless when any real sizable horde rolls up.

[tranquil bronze]

VoC is just a far better choice.

[tranquil bronze]

You want the Mk IV to be exact

And then light heavy combo

[austere jolt]

That's the one I've been leaning into. It seems to only really hit like...3 targets before the cleave stops being effective.

So when a horde of about 6 wide comes in, my health gets chunked

[jolly hemlock]

you dont really need anything build wise for a horde. hordes are basically a non threat once you master dodging and block/push

[placid portal]

And a really big stick

Like really really big

[umbral scaffold]

I don't care much for grims and books, but I wish scriptures at least were more important

[austere jolt]

That's probably where I lack tbh. Dodging I've gotten down to a science. Block/push is something that I almost never do.

I really need to start 😩

[placid portal]

Nani

[umbral scaffold]

People hoard deployables a lot

[tranquil bronze]

They take up a slot for med kits and ammo crates too

[placid portal]

thous't doth not block/push??

[umbral scaffold]

Back in Vermintide people would grab healing, use it and go back to the books

I liked that

[jolly hemlock]

you always hear a soundcue if youre about to be hit use those and you feel like songoku in ultra instinct mode

[placid portal]

push attack combos are fun

[umbral scaffold]

The hoarding gets to a point people just forget to use it

[austere jolt]

My philosophy in most fights has always been "if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a horde".

[placid portal]

Why dodge if I can parry?

Claw Grindset

If only parries counted for Reciprocity stacks

[austere jolt]

Turns out you can, in fact, parry a Crusher overhead.

[umbral scaffold]

Why parry if I can alt f4?

[austere jolt]

It hurts, but hey, that's life.

[umbral scaffold]

Knife grindset

It doesn't if you time it right

[placid portal]

Parry do be blocking every attack

[placid portal]

Stabbin em to the back

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-meet-the-spy-butterfly-knife-backstab-gif-24836393

[austere jolt]

Can parry target rear attacks like blocks?

[placid portal]

yea

parry is block +

but for only 1 hit

gotta spam parry to block multiple iirc

[frank ether]

just dont do it in the middle of 15 of them

[placid portal]

^^^

[delicate estuary]

There is no easy solution to this. Compared to VOC which is beyond broken ES has actual drawbacks. Rule of thumb is the following. Can your ranged deal with carapace? If yes then you are covered from most elites and specials and you need a melee that provides dodge distance and decent enough horde clear. If your ranged can't clear carapace easily then you need something that can for melee option along with good horde clear. For bolter I run a shovel with it. For infantry lasguns and headhunters I run a PS6. Now you can do 600 damage with headshots on a crusher using a mk12 infantry lasgun which isn't the best but isn't the worst either. Overall it's ok to reposition and give up space even if team isn't there to cover you

[placid portal]

A failed parry or lacking stamina will falter your guard

I recall it takes like 6 stamina if you parry

you need stamina remaining after parry to riposte after parry so don't over rely it

more reasons to go +9 stamina

[frank ether]

this convo reminds me of

when someone said

they deal with crusher packs with d.claw fine

I'm still baffled about that statement

do you run like +30 stamina or do you take 5 minutes kiting and parrying them one by one

[placid portal]

you could kite them but their overhead makes them slide forward no?

[placid portal]

probably the latter

[delicate estuary]

Trying to parry overheads while at least 4 other overheads are on their way

[placid portal]

Death

[delicate estuary]

💀

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/thy-end-is-now-gif-18153971514165038770

[delicate estuary]

I parry crusher swarms with inflitrate and smokes I just send them with express mail to the nearest psyker

[placid portal]

🍹

[umbral scaffold]

Atoma Postal System

[placid portal]

cheers

[delicate estuary]

"going stealth mode" sips coffee

[tall torrent]

take a strong low-investment horde clear melee
I recommend chainsword or DC sword if u don't have a good power sword yet

[delicate estuary]

With ES ranged and melee weapon synergy is key

With VOC you don't care much

[delicate estuary]

Don't care about anything else other than most plastoolies gathered

[idle swallow]

chasing green circles for dmg/kills: cringe; chasing green circles for plasteel/revives: based

[orchid cargo]

so if i consecrate this

its like perfect right cuz i can change the other 2 to whatever

[delicate estuary]

God roll

[frank ether]

yes

[placid portal]

N U T

[umbral scaffold]

True Sigmar warriors go towards trench fighter drill on the right, stamina regen on the left and say "fuck it" to the keystones

Hybrid with ES

It's like right tree, but you go left instead

[placid portal]

hehe

Sugmar

[frank ether]

I dont even take trench fighter sometimes

feels overkill on knife for example

[umbral scaffold]

I got used to old zealot, I can't live without 10% attack speed

[frank ether]

also on chaxe I dont think it makes a difference for rev attacks

which is bizarre

[umbral scaffold]

No, it's Fatshark

[frank ether]

anyway

grenade keystone is the way

[umbral scaffold]

Warp siphon but grenades

Having grenades increases your damage

[sonic marlin]

so what would i need to change in my build if i was going to build for melee

[umbral scaffold]

You get grenades back on coherency kills

You spend your grenades to reduce ability cooldown

[delicate estuary]

Staying in coherency 🤮

[placid portal]

Grenade keystone do be da truth

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado
Get precision strikes, extra ammo, 15% elite dmg and stamina regen delay reduction

[delicate estuary]

I need to reenable coherency stat to see

[umbral scaffold]

Reciprocity and desperado with riposte knife

Stinkyyyy

[polar kayak]

can i get advice on this boltgun? rolls not max :[

[tall torrent]

Change perks
Maniac + unyielding/carapace/elite prob

[polar kayak]

thanks!