veteran-class

[white minnow]

so it's just a matter of breakpoints

oh and cleave

[dusty sluice]

ah ty

[pastel geode]

So depending on how good you are at recoil mitigation would determine the better one for a player?

[dusty sluice]

any clue what has the highest?

[white minnow]

they were fairly similar to me though I didn't compare the graia and agri's recoil too much

agri has the highest cleave

agri has 2.1 cleave compared to graia's 1.5 cleave

[pastel geode]

I’d say recoil would definitely be worth testing more even just for formalities sake

[dusty sluice]

what does the columnus have?

[white minnow]

1.15

[zealous wyvern]

columnus is big shredder

[dusty sluice]

would this work for agri?

[trim hemlock]

Probably yes. There’s a few blessing options that can work for different IAGs

[thick wolf]

I feel like I need to refine my shotgunner infiltrator build a bit more

[dusty sluice]

is fire frenzy better than deathspitter in this case?

[trim hemlock]

Both are comparable, FF has slightly better numbers

[dusty sluice]

worth taking more then?

[trim hemlock]

I don’t want to make the call, because I would have preferred Sustained Fire and Punishing Salvo on Agri IAG myself, but yes, probably.

[vocal pawn]

Playing a Columnus double rending, VoC, Shredder build. Want to try Chainsword instead of Caxe as melee. What’s the consensus about blessings. Thinking of Bloodletter for elites/bosses and Savage Sweep for hordes

[thorn lark]

Nuchword or og?

I always run rampage as a first blessing on my chword

Shred or a cleave blessing are good. But you can power your bleed with onslaught so why not

[thick wolf]

actually, are shotguns compatible with vet infiltrators at all

wanted to do a "hit-and-run" shotgunner archetype

[thorn lark]

Why wouldn't they?

[vocal pawn]

New. Yeah running Onslaught. One heavy special kills a mauler in Damnation with the bloodletter. That’s pretty neat I think.

[thick wolf]

because I think I built my infiltrator a bit wrong to accomodate shotgun

[thorn lark]

How so?

[thick wolf]

hold on, need to boot up the game to show it

[sharp ember]

i’d drop one of the split nodes for Iron Will in middle path

otherwise looks fine

seems like a typical revolver melee build, which handles similar to shotgun

[thick wolf]

which split node?

[sharp ember]

ignoring that shotgun can’t flatten a crusher like revolver can

+1 grenade/revive speed

or even duck n dive, since you aren’t running a deadshot playstyle

[untold mulch]

Good day

[strange sparrow]

There is no good day

There is only plasteel in the grim dark 42k

[thick wolf]

what do you think?

[sharp ember]

#1 can be modified and perform very well. Wouldn’t bother with the others

[thick wolf]

so DMR it is

[elfin talon]

When is a helbore useful

[sharp ember]

they’re souped up infantry lasguns that trade equip speed and handling for near-infinite ammo, armor piercing charged shots, and a bayonet

[elfin talon]

I've found the bayonet on Mk 3 is really useful

[sharp ember]

they clear shooters comfortably and can punch holes in crushers and bosses if they have time to set up

[hybrid isle]

Coherent sentences are difficult to form, so I'm just going to vomit words until I get my point across. I downloaded a mod to allow more than 5 character slots. I am now filling up those extra character slots with Veterans. I want to have each Veteran be apart of a Command Squad and each one built for a specific role. I've already gotten a 2nd Vet to level 30 (Male Cadian) and was wanting to have him built around being a Squad Leader. My mind is completely fried after work, but I was hoping I could get some suggestions for a build and what gear to run that would be suitable for a Cadian SL

(This might be more suited for the lore channel )

[fresh grail]

laspistol chainsword?

with support build ofc, so just mostly middle tree stuff, pick whatever you like

[elfin talon]

So basically useless if it's just a complete horde and everyone's taking my kills?

[fresh grail]

'my kills'

our kills 💪

[brisk sapphire]

Man's playing 4 player solo

[hybrid isle]

You'd pair the Helbore with something that has decent horde clear

[brisk sapphire]

Helbore is an infinite ammo sniper, it's use should be self evident

[hybrid isle]

I've ran a helbore build for a bit into Auric Damnations, I can't promise that the results are as great as something more "meta" but it was a fun way to play

[elfin talon]

I was trying to test the gun earlier and the big ass ogryn kept getting in front of me

[hybrid isle]

That's just the Average Veteran Experience

[ornate scroll]

Blaasma gun.

[fresh grail]

If you can finish missions with a build consistently is good enough. Just play what is fun, slaves to the meta are often the saltiest people

[solid gull]

My experience also includes getting slapped in the back by all the trash mobs that were just kinda ignored

[fresh grail]

Helbore slaps 💪

[brisk sapphire]

There's tons of meta builds is the thing

[elfin talon]

I'm recommended often to used brace auto or infantry but I always go back to recon las

[hybrid isle]

I both agree and disagree. As someone who enjoys consistently winning, I run the best gear and builds I can make, but also as someone who enjoys having fun, I run whatever I want that I can make work.

[fresh grail]

Fair enough

[hybrid isle]

One mission, I'll run a C!AG and Powersword to just win

Another mission, i'll run a Helbore and Shovel for fun

And possibly win

[thick wolf]

shovel is versatile as fuck I'm surprised

[hybrid isle]

Support Commissar, John Guardsman, Johann Krieger, John Catachan, etc etc

Just fun builds to run in Damnations

[brisk sapphire]

Psword VI sets the bar too high to compare other melee to it. Prolly needs another nerf lol

[solid gull]

Shovels also make the funny noises

[elfin talon]

I stick with power sword it's fun and satisfying cleaving through a crowd

[brisk sapphire]

Shovel is fine

[hybrid isle]

Space cowboy, etc, etc

[thick wolf]

bonk bam spike stab

truly the finest of the krieg cult

[hybrid isle]

Mk VI also balls hard on Crushers and Maulers

I've become addicted to my Mk VI Powersword...

I swapped to other melee weapons for various reasons but just....

I have a problem

[elfin talon]

My sword just clinks and bounces off

Idk if I'm doing something wrong there

[untold mulch]

True

[hybrid isle]

Lemme grab an image of mine rq

[untold mulch]

Just did a T5 with a Bolter

Ngl, I liked it more than expected

[dire olive]

Have you tried turning it off an on again

[elfin talon]

Yeah

[hybrid isle]

A push attack -> Light attack will consistently 2-tap crushers if built somewhat right

[ornate scroll]

what's so great about the Mk4 power sword? genuinely asking.

[thick wolf]

oh god ow yep I really need that +25% ammo talent

[elfin talon]

Wtf does that even mean built right?

[dire olive]

4?

[hybrid isle]

A Mk6 Powersword will just win games

[ornate scroll]

oops

[dire olive]

The stab

[hybrid isle]

Only drawback being its lack of mobility

I feel like I'm wading through syrup whenever I dodge with the thing

[thick wolf]

okay that +25% ammo talent didn't do much for it

[hybrid isle]

Unless I'm running Weapons Specialist

[untold mulch]

1 and a half extra mag

also consistent +2 if you run Scavenger

[thick wolf]

the ia lasgun in me is yelling "NOT ENOUGH AMMO"

[dire olive]

With survivalist you'll never need ammo anyway

[hybrid isle]

Opening MS Paint...

[untold mulch]

Is the semiauto right?

[thick wolf]

yes

[untold mulch]

I think you should have more than enough

[thick wolf]

the dmr

[dire olive]

That thing kills most things in 1-2 shots anyway

[fresh grail]

25% ammo is on all my builds, i love shooting too much when playing the shooting class. Some guns need it much more than others though

[untold mulch]

Though I am too the type of wanting +500 ammo counter

[elfin talon]

Probably using anything else other than power sword for a while

[untold mulch]

Same

[fresh grail]

When you see that graia braced ammo with the talent equipped

[untold mulch]

900 boolets

[thick wolf]

orc mentality

more dakka

[untold mulch]

though for brauto I prefer Agri

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/more-bullets-i-need-more-bullets-samf-gif-2461390064460807905

[untold mulch]

because it feels more consistent

[fresh grail]

i need more bullet i need more bullet!

me when playing bolter

[untold mulch]

no idea how people run out of ammo with bolter

T5 I just did I was above 80% except when a Plague Ogryn appeared

and I allowed myself the magdump

[thick wolf]

curious if my ia lasgun build can also work on this DMR

[untold mulch]

As a treat

[thick wolf]

did you at least throw your nades at it

[fresh grail]

fullauto mod and holding leftclick. Its bliss

[untold mulch]

I use shredder

soo, not needed

[elfin talon]

Maybe they can add like a lever action rifle

Would be cool

[thick wolf]

oh

I always have krak mainly for the bosses and crushers

[untold mulch]

I run Shredder nade always because the horde clear is so good

Is a vibe check

I need CC more than single target nuke

[fresh grail]

Frags are all purpose, even against armored opponents the bleed goes hard if you throw multiple

[untold mulch]

Exactly

[thick wolf]

ogryn nuke

[hybrid isle]

MK 6 Powersword w/Brutal Momentum and the talents Desperado and Superiority Complex will let you 2 tap Maulers and Crushers

[thick wolf]

use it against the beast of nurgle

[fresh grail]

we can't all be blessed with big nuke

[hybrid isle]

Basically makes a Powersword that wins games

[hybrid isle]

Along with being able to mow down a horde

[thick wolf]

Bolter with +25% ammo talent

yes or no

[elfin talon]

Haven't had a good chainsword

[dire olive]

Kind of a must

[untold mulch]

I say yes because it means with scavenger

you always will get 1 shot

[thick wolf]

also with weapon spec

[fresh grail]

the fact +25% ammo also means you get more ammo back from any source is awesome

[untold mulch]

I thought of it, but I think not, because changing to bolter is slow enoguh that maybe the weapon spec bonuses are nto good enough

[dire olive]

Ammo is one of its biggest weakness so it's kind of a no brainer

[elfin talon]

Dual wield pistols would be cool

[untold mulch]

Weapon spec wants you to be changing weapons constantly

Bolter wants you to commit

[fresh grail]

then commit i shall, bolter my beloved

[untold mulch]

I dislike Plasma has rifle pull up time

[hybrid isle]

I both agree and disagree

[hybrid isle]

This is where I agree

Fuck...

[untold mulch]

YOU ANSWERED THE SAME MESSAGE

[hybrid isle]

Thought it was two separate messages...

[untold mulch]

Oh I get what you mean

[hybrid isle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[untold mulch]

the paragraphs

[brisk sapphire]

Weapon spec mostly shines with revolver and plasma. Tho the fire rate increase on auto guns is fun

[untold mulch]

I still say

the crit bonus should be lesser and last the 5 seconds

[hybrid isle]

A bit of a must have if you're running a powersword

[untold mulch]

and it would make it more viable for more weapons

[hybrid isle]

Purely for the extra dodge range

[untold mulch]

Weapon spec only being one crit IMO is unnecesary specialty

[hybrid isle]

^

[untold mulch]

aslo 330% crit

whats this fucking Warframe?

[hybrid isle]

It does benefits Autoguns because they crit in a burst

Same with Recon

[untold mulch]

Recon did too

[untold mulch]

Recon now is only 2 crit string

[hybrid isle]

tragic

[untold mulch]

for all purposes is not a string

[elfin talon]

Could they get away with a sawed off?

[untold mulch]

Why not

Hopefully they karking finally add new weapons

[hybrid isle]

Give me my backwater Agri-world Double Barrel dammit

[elfin talon]

A GL for vets would be cool

[hybrid isle]

It would perfectly round out my Grenadier build...

[thick wolf]

I have little familiarity in how boltguns can interact with talents so this is what I come up with

[solid gull]

Well if the weapon customization mod means anything, there's already a sawn-off in the models

[hybrid isle]

If you can find a way to fit it....Reciprocity would be (practically) a free 25% chance to Crit...

[thick wolf]

I have a hard time memorizing which talents are placed

[hybrid isle]

Bottom right tree

First talent on the left

Next to Close Quarters Killzone

[thick wolf]

I can take out competitive urge for it

[elfin talon]

I won't say add a rocket launcher lol

[hybrid isle]

I'd probably say Reciprocity would be a more consistent damage boost

But don't quote me on that

[fresh grail]

Deadshot is nice on bolter too, depending on how much you aim

[hybrid isle]

I am a silly man with silly ambitions

[thick wolf]

rn

I have worse aim with bolter than I do with ia lasgun

[fresh grail]

Aren't we all. Some of us are brave enough to admit it however

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-now-might-do-something-silly-now-evil-emoji-smiling-imp-gif-11564238590346099186

[thick wolf]

the sight jump on it is actually kindof fucked

[fresh grail]

cause it's a giant piece of metal and you have to hope God-emperor guides your bullets

[dire olive]

With no stock

[fresh grail]

its pinpoint accurate at least (with deadshot), though can't see where you're shooting

[hybrid isle]

Granted, I think if it had a stock, the full auto would just break your arm...

[fresh grail]

a small price to pay for salvation

[hybrid isle]

Just ask Hadron for a new better arm

[dire olive]

It'll just break your wrist instead

[hybrid isle]

The moment they dropped the Prosthetic leg, I bought it

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.....

[thick wolf]

not by that

[leaden grove]

i want prosthetic arm

[thick wolf]

I meant that the screen can snap occassionally

or the weapon

I looked at deadshot and oh god

stamina reduction

[hybrid isle]

I usually grab a +3 Stamina Curio in general

But it def helps with Deadshot

Along with the +1 Stamina node at the top of the Vet tree

[placid portal]

then slap on duck and dive or any passive that can help with stamina recovery

then you can ADS forever

[hybrid isle]

^

[untold mulch]

Yep

[hybrid isle]

Given that you're usually dodging and sliding whenever you're in a gun fight

[placid portal]

Which you should

[untold mulch]

Bolter you are going to shoot so "little"

[placid portal]

And git that reciprocity

[untold mulch]

taht the stamina cost is easily controlable

[placid portal]

Boltgun def don't need too much stamina if you can keep it healthy

autoguns? yea get all the stamina

[untold mulch]

Deadshot as of now I only run with Bolter and Laspistol

[thick wolf]

so far, I can tell that I'll be only using it on specials at the very least

may have to rely on my teammates to do the horde

[ornate scroll]

does the veteran "peek out of cover with ADS" actually work? if so, in what situations?

[thick wolf]

bolter ogryn when fatshark

[placid fog]

Friendship ended with lasgun.
Autogun is my new best friend

[untold mulch]

I didn't even know it was vet only

[placid portal]

When a teammate or you marked what you wanna shot

[untold mulch]

If you crouch on a box, at aiming you peek

[placid fog]

Also why does the shovel 2 hit crushers?
It scares me.

[ornate scroll]

ah so only crouch cover?

i thought it'd work on tall cover too

[untold mulch]

I am mostly sure yeah, you need to crouch

[placid portal]

It can 1 hit with thrust and more passives stacked

[vernal harbor]

hell yeah

[placid portal]

[untold mulch]

In T5 I can shoot at the bulk of shooters and have no real ammo loss

[placid fog]

Which passives?

[untold mulch]

Ir eally want to use lasguns

but fatshark balanced lasguns in a way that my brain hates

[hybrid isle]

2 hit?

[placid portal]

Forgor💀

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/death-fight-john-wick-cqc-gun-gif-5738494

Weapon specialist be like

[ornate scroll]

what's wrong with lasguns?

[untold mulch]

I assume the foldable shovel

[placid portal]

Kantrael got that atrocious recoil jump every shot

[untold mulch]

[hybrid isle]

Yeah, I've got a shovel that'll 1 hit a crusher

I never use it tho

[placid portal]

Accratan is Accratan,

Lucius is not for everyone

Laspistol does what it do

[ornate scroll]

kantrael is the brown, slow firing one yes?

[placid fog]

Shovel alternate fire deals like 2K damage a hit for me

To crusher's head

[placid portal]

Infantry Lasguns

[ornate scroll]

honestly i felt the sway of the aim was kinda weird on it...

[placid portal]

brown blue and green

[ornate scroll]

even when not shooting

[finite imp]

My Lasgun broken it no fire my bullets 😦

[placid portal]

Very unstable aiming

[untold mulch]

Silly recoil jump that autoguns do not have

Shitty ass flak modifier

Ammo economy buff is a nonissue with other weapons if you are not an absolute moron

Tbf, Lasguns are perfectly viable (ignoring Recon), but like TO ME it feels like Fatshark balanced the Infantry lasguns in a backwards way

[placid portal]

Lucius got that perfect stability ADS

also supression immunity

[ornate scroll]

i mean, the headhunter autoguns jump a lot if you move even a little bit and shoot while ADS. at least the burst ones

[placid fog]

Kantrael MK XIII is pretty decent with that extra 90% (maybe higher blessing to 100%) extra damage on weakspot hit

Who uses burst autoguns?

[ornate scroll]

not me

[untold mulch]

[ornate scroll]

i don't wanna shoot the ceiling

[placid portal]

vrak mk3 do sound good but I'm not a fan of burst weapons

[untold mulch]

God If they make Hellgun burst fire I am going to commit exterminatus

[finite imp]

Erhm actually erm lasers shoudnt have any recoil at all 🤓

[ornate scroll]

what if it's burst fire but you can hold it for auto fire?

[untold mulch]

Shitty ass mechanic that weapons add that no real gun in modern day uses

[dire olive]

The 2 shot is kinda fun now since they buffed the RoF

[placid fog]

Add Scion helmet
No other scion gear
No hot shots

[dire olive]

Like an AN94

[placid portal]

Still can't enjoy it myself I think I need some tweak to get it working

[ornate scroll]

honestly the only time i seen a hellgun in 40k media was the kasrkin in dawn of war where the hellguns went PFFFFFFRRRRRRRT

[finite imp]

The AN94 is my fav gun in the STALKER modpacks

[untold mulch]

Thats different

The Pulse repeater of Dead Space had the same thing where a single pull is 2-3 shots, but if you maintain is a traditional full auto THAT I can vibe

[thick wolf]

this is weird for me

[placid portal]

Gotta force players to cough up 10$ for a helmet cosmetic

[thick wolf]

I can perfectly aim with an ia lasgun just fine, even if the sights are jumpy

[untold mulch]

1400 aquilas

Paycheck

[untold mulch]

You can, doesn't mean is a weird jumpy feel

[thick wolf]

but a plasma gun? my aim is like those movie goons

[untold mulch]

Just because you can deal with the annoyance, does not mean is not annoying

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/agiota-bob-esponja-gif-25145823

[hybrid isle]

Oh no

[placid fog]

Hot shots are great on tabletop and in the TTRPGs

[placid fog]

My brother of the Emperor.
It WORKED.

[untold mulch]

and I am very complain prone when guns are annoying to use

[placid portal]

LMAO

[ornate scroll]

i never saw 'em, i drifted away from 40k mainline a while ago

[untold mulch]

Hell yeah

[thick wolf]

recon lasguns and laspistols are the only laser weapons to have fuckall recoil

[placid portal]

I'd admit I did it for the Krieg 1400 helmet

[hybrid isle]

It's okay MG 12...no no, they aren't talking bad about you, I swear. Shhhhhhh, it's okay, just go back into the corner...

[ornate scroll]

anyways imma head off

[untold mulch]

Fr fr

I always get one when my group plays 40k

[thick wolf]

at most the laspistol's recoil is just a slight nudge but it otherwise stays on target

[untold mulch]

Strong lasgun + infinite ammo in the long run

sign me up

Yeah laspistol is good, though I think sometimes the beam deviates?

[placid fog]

The one that got me recently was that the Armageddon legs are reused for the Moebian field dress legs

[untold mulch]

Recon is weird becuase on a long burst, the beam starts going to up and side

[placid portal]

how dou

[untold mulch]

for some reason

[placid portal]

it's a laser pointer gun

how does it have light deviation???

[untold mulch]

Fuck if i know

[placid portal]

FFS fs

[untold mulch]

Fatshark balancing by nerfing everything on recon

Perfect accuracy

But not really

[finite imp]

If lasguns worked how they would work irl they would t have recoil or deviation

[untold mulch]

Ammo economy but not really

[placid portal]

A joke weapon

yes

[finite imp]

That being said you'd probably get one good shot out of a power pack lol

[untold mulch]

Every Recon niche has been killed

[thick wolf]

fallout 4 laser rifle recoil

[placid portal]

Lasguns won't have recoil but def have deviation

[thick wolf]

then again I'm that weird person who actually liked the fo4 laser rifle recoil

[placid portal]

As light does travel differently from refraction of atmosphere

[placid fog]

Yeah but if you maintain your lasgun properly it won't have that much deviation

[hybrid isle]

Lmao, fuckin' nerd

[finite imp]

Fuck fuck fuck my laser sight is broken

[hybrid isle]

[untold mulch]

Wiht modern batteries? yes

But we are getting so good with laser and batteries that who knows

We already have laser point defenses

which is awesome

[thick wolf]

I'd wager if the infantry lasguns have no recoil, they'll most likely feel like firing the laser rifles in FO3/NV

[placid fog]

Besides, as everybody knows.
Failure to maintain your weapon is punishable by flogging

[finite imp]

Shit gotta sight my laser sight in again y'all hang on

[placid portal]

I like to think how lasguns fire a concentrated heat ray that causes the object to rapidly heat up causing a mini explosion

[dire olive]

Battery technology isn't so much of an issue as capacitor technology is

[thick wolf]

which is to say, it would be awkward

[untold mulch]

Also that yes

[placid portal]

Gotta zero my lasgun sights

🤓

[placid fog]

Running out of ammo is also punishable by flogging.

Imperial Infantryman's handbook

[untold mulch]

Pretty sure thats the thing

Is the efficient method to my knowledge

[finite imp]

Idk how you'd even live long enough to run out of ammk

[placid portal]

which explains alot how in lore it can blow up limbs

brutally great

[thick wolf]

anyway how's this boltgun stacks up

[placid portal]

to bad the 1% that's left are very resilant against it

[placid fog]

Being a competent regiment

[untold mulch]

Reminder about blaster and lasguns

they heat up the target in fractions of a second

What happens with water when violently heated up

[placid fog]

Yeah lasguns can cause people to disintegrate

[placid portal]

even object that don't have moisture can blow up from rapid expansion of gas

[untold mulch]

"Cauterizes the wound"

Yeah whatever the fuck remains after

[finite imp]

Think of how a magnifying glass burns an ant

[placid portal]

Pretty cool shit

[finite imp]

It's the same principle

[thick wolf]

Star Wars is very lucky that it's mainly a T-rated IP

otherwise we would be seeing bloody battles

[finite imp]

But REALLY FAST

And sudden

[placid fog]

In Dark Heresy a lasgun can vaporise a mans arm and instantly kill them if you roll a good crit

[untold mulch]

Leia should have lost her arm in EP6

even with the half graze it was

[thick wolf]

and even then, you can still see some leftover blood effects in the first movie

[untold mulch]

I hope when Cavill 40k show comes up

They make the lasgun justice

[placid portal]

I swear to god Chocob can make the most unusual build for vet and make it work. Man is built different

[thick wolf]

Republic Commando is probably the only Star Wars game I know of that almost veers close into M-rated territory

[untold mulch]

[thick wolf]

mainly the violence you cause against the enemy

[untold mulch]

NEVER SAY NO TO BACTA

Republic Commando fueled my favoritism for spec ops with no magical/supernatural enhances

[finite imp]

I got an idea

[thick wolf]

man I already miss focus target with this boltgun build I have

[untold mulch]

Just git gud enough 🗿

[finite imp]

What if we made the melta gun a specially ability 🙂

[untold mulch]

that and Metal Gear

[finite imp]

They're only good for 1 or 2 OP shots before needed to be reloaded

Sounds like a special to me

[untold mulch]

Energy shotgun 🗿

[thick wolf]

crossbow that fires very very hot arrows that can pierce straight through a horde

[fresh grail]

When the super battle droid appears

[untold mulch]

Dear god

Child me was not ready

also that level in the B2 factory

[fresh grail]

seeing them all get cut down in the movies did NOT prepare you for them in game 😩

[untold mulch]

Legit terror level

[thick wolf]

I can't be the only one who's noticing that the boltgun sights glitch sometimes

[thick wolf]

also in OG Battlefront where they're kindof pussies

[untold mulch]

The sights feel weird

Tbf in the films they die somewhat easy too

[thick wolf]

them snapping like that throws me off, yeah

[untold mulch]

But RC made them into minibosses

[placid portal]

I genuinely do not know where to line up the sights for boltgun irons

So I use Kantrael

[untold mulch]

also, lets throw a massive Spider Droid

and lets hit that VODE AN!

You didn't brought enough droid

[fresh grail]

where did all the good Star Wars shooters go, why is nobody making them anymore
I suppose thats why im here playing darktide instead, it'll do

[thick wolf]

Star Wars: Darktide when

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[untold mulch]

Because EA fucked up

[strange sparrow]

Camera Sway so hard

Jesus

[untold mulch]

Only now the licence for gaming got more free

[strange sparrow]

[untold mulch]

but, EA was so incompetent with SW licence

well disney too

[thick wolf]

tbf

EA has been treating it better recently

[finite imp]

Because of course they were

[strange sparrow]

They aren't incompetent with SW license

[fresh grail]

the two demons combining powers to ruin a franchise

[thick wolf]

the Cal Kestis games aren't too shabby for what they were

[placid portal]

If EA fucked up even FIFA how can you even trust em

[strange sparrow]

SW license are just fucked to expand

Because of Disney

[fresh grail]

EA Sports FC 24

[thick wolf]

and also Ubisoft's making one but we don't talk about that

[strange sparrow]

also there is a time where 40k License are also pretty fucked in terms of gaming

[fresh grail]

ubisoft are the kings of mediocre, i'm sure it'll be average and dull like usual

[thick wolf]

I don't think its the camera sway, more like the bolter tries to keep up from recovering but something makes them snap like that

[untold mulch]

Ubisoft is the blandest triple A

like they are not rage inducing

not good games

is just

apathy

oh right they made another copypaste game

[fresh grail]

Why yes i would love to climb another tower

[thick wolf]

also ah fuck it I just got focus target for my boltgun build I can't

I need the funny yellow outline

[fresh grail]

I feel you brother. I slap focus target on all my builds

[thick wolf]

shotty infiltrator is the only one who doesn't have mainly because I went using weapon spec for him

[placid portal]

weapon specialist is fun

too bad it don't give swap speed

[fresh grail]

Need to give that one a proper go again, me. Does sound fun with how strong you can make your melee

[thick wolf]

also they fully believe in you not owning their games

I couldn't find a good fitting melee for my infiltrator

all three of my builds just have shovel

[fresh grail]

it never stopped being fucked, including this game with its horrid launch

[strange sparrow]

Knife

take a knife

[placid portal]

Oh shit I gotta do the funny backstabbing knife build

[thick wolf]

knife was one of the choices but

[strange sparrow]

That's just how FS work with every game

[placid portal]

Also I love how the Mk7 Claw got that nice Push attack light combo to merk a mutie

[thick wolf]

my infil goes to non-stealth the moment I punch something in order to backstab

[strange sparrow]

VT1 & 2 launch

DT Launch

[fresh grail]

warhammer license in general has it tough

[fresh grail]

the megalodon doing it 3 times in a row is quite funny for sure

[placid portal]

Speece marineeee 2 les go

[strange sparrow]

Hopium

[thick wolf]

at the very least Warhammer isn't afraid of licensing games to other studios tbf

[placid portal]

[strange sparrow]

Fuck no

[placid portal]

sure, but I have high hopes on Helldivers 2

[fresh grail]

That's true, rather many shitty games with a few good ones in there than none at all

[thick wolf]

hell I wish Halo would invest more on spinoffs for example

[placid portal]

[thick wolf]

mainly just to make the wait less painful

[strange sparrow]

There so much shit warhammer 40k game that is just CBT

[untold mulch]

They never learn

[strange sparrow]

Everytime you will be recoil and say

Hmmm Imma wait until launch + 2 months

[fresh grail]

I got baited by the beta being fun enough, then i bought the game and realised the beta was about all the content at the time
It's fun now thankfully, ever since the talent rework

[strange sparrow]

I given up completely on big studios game because their approach toward games is SAAS

[placid fog]

Castigator crossbow

Melta tipped arrows

[strange sparrow]

Give incomplete product and slowly progress it on the way

drop a lot of "Hype Content" to promote more sales

[untold mulch]

Life support service

[placid portal]

Feels like a trend for modern games

[strange sparrow]

It is

[thick wolf]

a lot of them yes, but not all of them

[untold mulch]

Sell game half done

Promise it going to get fixed later

[strange sparrow]

Overlook a lot of underlying issue too

CyberPunk 2077 is the case too

[thick wolf]

I mean fuck, the Dead Space Remake surprisingly wasnt a clusterfuck like I was dreading to

or Resident Evil 4 Remake, game-wise

[strange sparrow]

These day, You just can't pre-order games

You gotta wait until someone get the big fat L

[thick wolf]

these days?

this is been going on for like forever

[strange sparrow]

Yes

Back then like Cod Mw2

[thick wolf]

this isn't some sudden 2010s thing

[strange sparrow]

you could pre-order Cod games and be like im gonna have a blast with it

Cod Mw2, Mw3, Bo 1 Bo 2

WaW

Then online services ideal (SAAS) drop in

and everyone be like, why don't we just drop the bug fix patches

sell incomplete product earlier to recoup cash

[thick wolf]

far as I know, it didn't became as prevalent

[dire olive]

Wonder how many bozos will preorder GTA6

[thick wolf]

until NMS

[strange sparrow]

No Man's Sky was an indie studio and their founder are too autistic to provide what are their vision on the start of the game

[thick wolf]

but anyway, I'd rather not waste my energy complaining more about games

shits tiring

[strange sparrow]

False Title prop up by Bad Journalism

[dire olive]

There was also some bullshit regarding Sony and when they wanted a release

[untold mulch]

A lot because kids are stupid

[strange sparrow]

The bright side is, despite all the backlashes from the community and such

They went back and fix the game

[placid fog]

Star Citizen players dropping 4K on a ship that isn't even in game yet

[dire olive]

Fun fact I also live like a 20min walk from Hello Games

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-text-share-the-flip-side-sharetheflipsidegifs-stress-exams-gif-9543278

Star Citizen, always gonna be Beta

Promise never fulfill

[thick wolf]

if I wanna complain more about bad games I'd turn into a movie critic where they hate everything

or those ragebait youtubers

[placid fog]

If we sink another 10 bajillion into star citizen it'll be completed faster right?

[thick wolf]

the filth to my existence

[untold mulch]

I still play SC ocasionally

[placid fog]

"Sir they just added in procedurally generated omelettes"

[dire olive]

7 days to die on its 11th year of early access alpha

[untold mulch]

That fucking game still in alpha?

I remember playing it in high school

[low yacht]

I added some of those speed perks.

Just so my melee build is more effective.

[low yacht]

Just say it constantly gets updates.

At this point.

It's rust with zombies.

[untold mulch]

Is there any new on Deus Ex? I thought they were making a new one after the new company bought them?

[low yacht]

Rust sucks to be honest.

[untold mulch]

Rust is one of those games made by and for assholes

[low yacht]

It's okay, but like there is just better games made.

That are the same genre.

[untold mulch]

at least to my opinion, is the game where your main source of joy is making others feel worse

[low yacht]

Raiding bases when people get offline.

[untold mulch]

Or I am too tainted by too many griefers videos

[placid fog]

Ark PvP

[low yacht]

On pc it's really bad.

[placid fog]

Grind for 120 hours
Base destroyed by 3 guys

[untold mulch]

I hate it so much

[low yacht]

Same reason I don't play sot.

[thick wolf]

okay bolter is nuts againsts minibosses

[low yacht]

Anymore.

Sea of Thieves is just filled with griefers and hackers.

[placid fog]

If sea of thieves combat didn't boil down to cheese I'd play it

[low yacht]

It's cool but they killed the game.

With many bad decisions.

[untold mulch]

Is why I avoid extraction shooters and all that shit (wish for PvE ones)

Knwoing that sometimes I will just have to fight another player, and if I win, is a hollow victory because I know how mad I would be if I was the loser

[low yacht]

Why are the WW2 games always fun.

[placid fog]

Because it's player vs player and rarely has really annoying movement mechanics with bugs that become "features"

[low yacht]

I want a 40k Arma like game.

It would be so fun.

[placid fog]

Arma, 40K mod

[low yacht]

Not mods official.

[placid fog]

Squad, 40K mod (probably)

[low yacht]

Like a actual squad shooter.

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

Still run TIOW sometimes

[low yacht]

The Vraks mod pack is cool.

[placid fog]

Let it go Krieg Bros

Vraks simply wasn't that cool

(Tallarn was waaaay cooler)

[low yacht]

It was WW1 basically.

Trenches and mud are always cool what you talking about. Being blown to pieces by mortars.

[placid fog]

Fighting on a virus bombed planet and beating space marines with basically just regulars = W

[hybrid isle]

I yearn to bayonet charge across No Man's Land

[low yacht]

Heavy fortifications with gunners.

[hybrid isle]

Just to dig a knife into a crack in a Chaos Marine's armor

Then have my head punched into nothingness

[low yacht]

Just mowing you down as more krieg run in to get blown up.

[placid fog]

Tanks

[low yacht]

Eventually overwhelming those heretics.

[placid fog]

Tanks and more tanks

[low yacht]

Well tanks can't get close when the enemy had artillery too.

[placid fog]

Fatshark should add a proper assault mission where you fight with the guard to kill HVT's

[low yacht]

Far more effective to just blow your enemy up with artillery pieces.

Tanks are useless when they are being blown to pieces.

Who needs tanks when you can charge your enemy with several waves until they get exhausted.

[hybrid isle]

So....when are the Moebians gonna get a Titan that we have to infiltrate to destroy after the PDF and Guard blow its shields?

[low yacht]

Leman Russes are produced.

[hybrid isle]

Atoma is a major player in the production of Lemun Russ tanks...

When are we gonna see those in action?

Answer us, Fatshark

[low yacht]

To be honest the wouldn't use them in a city like that not wanting to blow the factory.

[hybrid isle]

Well, I happen to know a fantastic map that would work perfectly

Anyone ever heard of...

Hourglass?

[low yacht]

Hive cities are already unstable enough.

[placid fog]

Use chimeras in a hive city

With auto cannons

[hybrid isle]

I want to see a Dawn of War type battle going on in the background while us Rejects do some tacticool shit on the sidelines

[low yacht]

I want a warquad.

Aquilus Warquad to ride into combat basically a halo mongoose.

[solid gull]

We see quads in game

[low yacht]

I know but I want to ride one.

[solid gull]

I wanna run down heretics

Yo

Thunder hammer jousting

[low yacht]

Isn't that just a atv?

Why is it called a quad?

[solid gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low yacht]

It's considered a bike when a atv is entirely different vehicle

But it does have rear mounted weapons

[untold mulch]

What are the perks for Vraks 7?

got unyielding and infested because Hadron is a bitch

[low yacht]

Isn't that the one the militia there used?

I mean the heretics that were with the Cardinal. Vraksian Traitor Militia?

What do you know I was correct.

Same gun.

It's a relevant gun to what you are talking of.

[pearl granite]

what's max level of slaughterer on psword?

[fresh grail]

you get 8% power per stack at tier IV

[pearl granite]

thanks

[fresh grail]

always a nice blessing to have

[pearl granite]

spend a lot of plasteel, only see slaughterer 3 😦

[fresh grail]

good enough tbh

Unless your goal is the perfect weapon of course

A Weapon to Surpass Metal Gear

[pearl granite]

not really, I just have plasteel and want better stuff

[untold mulch]

Trying the vraks 7

I don't see the appeal

[pearl granite]

had* plasteel 😂

[fresh grail]

the difference between slaughter 3 and 4 is 7% and 8% respectively, so up to you if you want to keep rolling

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-v-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-big-boss-video-game-gif-4537531

[fresh grail]

rip, hardon took it all

hadron? ill stick with hardon

[pearl granite]

and most of the time give shit back to us 😢

[fresh grail]

"Are you pleased, varlet?"

[sharp ember]

as i understand, it has ridiculously high crit weakspot damage

been meaning to take one for a spin

[untold mulch]

I can see it

but ehh

I personalyl do better wtih brautop

[sharp ember]

it feels different enough from mg1a and mg12 to be its own little thing

[thick wolf]

yes, sweet sweet cash

[untold mulch]

I wish there were more inventory options

I want to keep this Vraks 7 because is not a bad roll, but I do not wish to have it occupying space in my inventory screen unless I wanted to

[rancid ginkgo]

U can get a mod that allows u to mark items as favorite

[finite imp]

???

unhinged

[untold mulch]

Not the aame but noted

[untold mulch]

?

[finite imp]

what would be your solution?

you want 2 inventories?

[untold mulch]

A way to tag and sorter shit

Its not hard games have done it for decades

[finite imp]

oh you mean that ok

you made it sound like you didn't want it occupying space in your inventory screen unless you wanted it to

thats what threw me off

[untold mulch]

I mean, yeah, but with that

[finite imp]

gotcha

[untold mulch]

By sorting so I could have it separate

But yeahhh

Marksman focus and headshot weapons arent my thing

Got top damage but was so unfun

[finite imp]

B)

[tiny summit]

We all have our different senses of fun. MF Helbore/Lasguns is fun to me clicking all the heads

[slow spade]

Top ammo picked up 💪💪💪

[tiny summit]

I think I was helping?

[untold mulch]

Yeha I get, but painful

[tiny summit]

I was like 2nd in dmg in the runs with a MG4

[slow spade]

Hellgun added -> enemy exclusive UwU

[untold mulch]

My fav combo is top ammo pick

Lowest damage

[slow spade]

Omg same

Kradd could do better hopefully UwU

[untold mulch]

Yes gunlugger

Oick the bag

And miss 90% of shots

[slate sleet]

blessed emperor

i beg you

[untold mulch]

I will steal it from then

[slate sleet]

let me never match with another ogryn chungus redditor ever again

[untold mulch]

Rn my frustration is players that cant fight on the move

[slow spade]

3 ogryns that only light attack just for you UwU

[untold mulch]

KARKER PUSH

[thick wolf]

four man vet team is rough holy shit

[untold mulch]

But when they are good is so fun

[slow spade]

Vets have anti-synergy with each other

So it gets worse the more vets there are

Such is life

[thick wolf]

the run was lucky that it was low intensity, except its hound fiesta

[untold mulch]

I have only gotten one very good All Guardsman Party match

But it was glorious

[thick wolf]

also in three different colors too

[untold mulch]

Whst is the name of all same class partirs

[thick wolf]

damn boy that stability stat lmfao

[untold mulch]

All Guardman Party
Zealot= A-men

[thick wolf]

real 7.62 nato g3 hours

[rancid ginkgo]

Plasma gun enjoyers are based

Plasma gun + combat blade VI

[slate sleet]

the most reddit thing you can ever say

[fresh grail]

When everyone is running Voice of Command the games becomes trivial, its awesome to experience

the toughness stacks

[dire lagoon]

I'm trying out a voidstrike build and keep brain bursting myself...I seem to never notice when I'm going to overload...any tips beside stop sucking? 😄

[thick wolf]

I think one of us was using executioner's stance out of like two or three of us

[fresh grail]

even with just two veterans shouting all the time you can feel the toughness stack 💪

[thick wolf]

when the two vets just yell: my legs are ok

[placid portal]

When the squad leader role stacks

[fresh grail]

when everyone is the squad leader 💪

[rancid ginkgo]

Heretic.

[fresh grail]

squad commune?

[fresh grail]

Plasma gun enjoyers are based
keep enjoying king

[rancid ginkgo]

Ramirez has no faith in the bolter huh

[rancid ginkgo]

I just picked it up a few days ago and man its so fun

Id say its on the same lvl as the columnus in terms of effectiveness

[willow badger]

mg 1a gang unite

for the true imperial guard vibes

[dry knoll]

The only gun I've just not enjoyed was the Bolt gun, which is sad

[finite imp]

Whats the meta chord blessingsd

[opal dove]

Throw it to the fires of Mount Doom.

[thick wolf]

that shit huh

[opal dove]

Yes, pretty much. Low penetration sucks. And you don't need like a super high mobility, but 34% is too low.

[thick wolf]

I'll just sacrifice the weapon to get it's blessing then

[opal dove]

Keep the blessing, yep

Just for completionist porpouses xD

I used it for a few runs. There are others much more useful.

[finite imp]

anything below 50 and you should toss it

you're losing a whole dodge then

[opal dove]

I ended using it for running more than my zealot friend at the beginning of the runs And even with that it was impossible xD

[opal dove]

Yeah. 34% is a death sentence in higher difficulties.

[agile yew]

About to roll my Veteran (last char i havent leveled), any tips besides make it extra tall for better visibility for shooting?

[muted knot]

Don't make it extra tall

[finite imp]

cadian

[slender turtle]

Its really strong on the zealot. On vet, its has to be treated as a dmr

[agile yew]

My Zealot is cadian, has the scottish kind of accent

[muted knot]

Cause that's cringe

But seriously you also put yourself over the head level of enemies

[agile yew]

Which is bit funny, as i made it also asian looking

[umbral scaffold]

Just make it normal size tbh

or even small if you want

because Veterans can lean out of cover

[muted knot]

Small vet gang

[pastel geode]

I’d do shortest so you can’t get hit behind cover

[umbral scaffold]

not that it matters

But defensive options are usually better than offensive ones

unless the offensive stuff you get is so overpowered that you kill stuff faster than they can threaten you

[pastel geode]

Also if you want an angry veteran voice go cutthroat.

[umbral scaffold]

pick the girl voice

cos she sounds like a gremlin

[pastel geode]

Eh I wouldn’t say gremlin

[agile yew]

Yeah kinda heard the cadian voice enough already, ill try Cutthroat

[leaden grove]

i feel like the male va for the loose cannon just decied to go all out for his lines

[untold mulch]

Cutthroat and LC VA is just perfection:

TEAR THESE KARKERS TO PIECES

Professional I rarely see, but I think his lines are generally too bland

WHich, I guess is the point

[leaden grove]

fav line is loose cannon saying "next you'll be tellin me grey knights are real"

[untold mulch]

[pastel geode]

[untold mulch]

Meanwhile the Grey Knights on Terra in the celebration

[pastel geode]

A small detail but one of my favorites is how cutthroat jabs at other veterans when they overheat the plasma gun

[hybrid isle]

Nah, gotta use max height to get a bonus to your intimidation roll when suppressing

[umbral scaffold]

GREMLIN

[untold mulch]

WE ARE SURROUNDED....YEAHHH!!!

[pastel geode]

Loose cannon is definitely more gremlin material

[agile yew]

Im gonna go probably max height so i can pick out priority targets easier

[leaden grove]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW

[untold mulch]

Though professional has the absolute gold

FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE

[agile yew]

During my first 10h it felt necessary to hide behind a barrel sometimes in firefight, now i feel if it goes to that, its probably wipe anyway or something

[untold mulch]

Homie is having so much fun in the firefight

[hybrid isle]

Gahh! We'll give 'em all out war, right here, right now!

Wait...

[untold mulch]

COVER MAKES IT FUN

[hybrid isle]

Wrong game

[pastel geode]

I still think the smaller hitbox helps but that’s just me

[untold mulch]

LC and Cutthroat are so vulnerable to Khorne

[iron marten]

hmm

[leaden grove]

loose cannon is just space kruber

whole reason i chose him

[hybrid isle]

There's a reason I deleted my level 150 Cutthroat for the Loose Cannon

[leaden grove]

based as fuck

[thick wolf]

holy shit

[agile yew]

I had moment with my Ogryn i dodged out of doorway, but still go trapped, as probably arm still poking out in sight while i couldnt see through it anymore at all

[hybrid isle]

Just to make another Cutthroat further down the line

He's level 30 now

[thick wolf]

I found a knife zealot who isn't a complete asshole

[hybrid isle]

Meanwhile, I've just reached 200+ with my Loose Cannon

[hybrid isle]

Next you'll be telling me Grey Knights are real

[leaden grove]

surprised?

[pastel geode]

I ain’t giving up my cutthroat, loose cannon may be amusing but cutthroat has some power behind those VoC lines

[hybrid isle]

TRUTH

[thick wolf]

man was fucking speeding

[leaden grove]

one in a million

[hybrid isle]

Made another Cut Throat just for the VoC lines

[pastel geode]

“Close! Kill! Then do it again!”

[untold mulch]

Perfect energy

THERE IS ONLY WAR!

[hybrid isle]

"I wan't 'em dead! Right here! Right now!"

[untold mulch]

Cutthroat yell energy is an automatic morale booster

I have said it before, VoC could have no buff

[hybrid isle]

I WANNA HEAR 'EM SCREAM!

[untold mulch]

and the lines would be good enough

SIR YES SIR!

[pastel geode]

“Give them the old Kasrkin double tap!”

[leaden grove]

SHOW ME YER KARKIN WAR FACES

[hybrid isle]

https://youtu.be/WsjZaHk8mbs?si=9C870LP7vo4-KAqS

Here ya go

[leaden grove]

the judge is another good one too

[hybrid isle]

^

[untold mulch]

NOT ONE STEP BACK

[hybrid isle]

THE KILLIN' NEVER ENDS!!!

[thick wolf]

legends say captain wolfer is still checking under his bed from the cutthroat himself

[untold mulch]

Chance is he is there

[hybrid isle]

Every now and again, I'll swap off my Loose Cannon and play some of my cutthroat

Especially with the Cadia Day cosmetics

[pastel geode]

And the female va for cutthroat also did a character called nightsong in baldur’s gate 3 iirc

[hybrid isle]

Gotta make sure Fat Shark gets their $30 each paycheck

[untold mulch]

[hybrid isle]

It's drip or drown

[pastel geode]

Gotta stay dripping

[hybrid isle]

Fuck that's a good mog...

[sharp trail]

coat + enclosed helmet is so real

[shut vector]

local veteran dies of heat stroke

[hybrid isle]

real

[pastel geode]

Cadians are too angry to die from hyperthermia

[hybrid isle]

Man fought off literal demons

Just to pull up into Smelter Complex and collapse from heat exhaustion

[thick wolf]

relatable

put him in a tropical country

and he might just collapse after five seconds of exposure from the sun

[hybrid isle]

We all know Cadians hate the sun

[thick wolf]

vampires

[hybrid isle]

Sanguinius? Where?

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/black-rage-blood-angels-wh40k-angry-rage-gif-19881088

[hybrid isle]

"MothmanButLessSexy is typing..."

[muted knot]

He's not a vampire!! It's a angel

[muted knot]

I sure am

[hybrid isle]

I am far too tired for that to just

Appear before my eyes

[muted knot]

I have that effect on people

[hybrid isle]

I cannot stop just

[muted knot]

Usually just irl tho

[civic knot]

Can hammerblow replace decimator for vet?

[muted knot]

On shovel ?

[civic knot]

ye

[muted knot]

Not really imo

[civic knot]

how does impact translate to damage?

[muted knot]

It doesn't

[civic knot]

what is impact?

[muted knot]

It's just how the enemies are thrown around or staggered by your attacks

You punch something and reacts to your blow according to your stagger/impact

[pastel geode]

It’s a shame that dawn of war never tried to experiment with faction quirks like the black rage on blood ravens

[muted knot]

The only things affecting damage are power and damage

[lusty jetty]

Cutthroat voice reminds me of this post

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18rakig/there_is_nothing_and_i_mean_nothing_that_gets_me/

[muted knot]

Power = damage+ cleave i believe

[lusty jetty]

Also, sucks about the stopping power, but at least mommy hadron didn't brick it

[tiny summit]

Hammerblow is just for CC. I like it on my mk3 shovel

[pastel geode]

Also I had a weird version of the carnival last night

Instead of the usual suspects on comms it was Hadron and the ship’s Enginseer

[muted knot]

Yeah I had that one before

Actually I think I had it on my first clear and just assumed it's the default

I also like the ones with Brahms

[dry knoll]

Any idea what the best blessings are for the Kantrael MG Ia?

[tiny summit]

Yea I've had that one a few times. Didn't pay much attention though to them throughout the mission thougj

[pastel geode]

It threw me off cause that’s part Brahms personal retinue, not the inquisition

[tiny summit]

Usually Headhunter/Deadly Accurate. Ghost if you like the attack immunity

[muted knot]

Headhunter and the extra ceit headshot damage

[lusty jetty]

Headhunter + Opening Salvo or Deadly Accurate

[muted knot]

Can't remember the name

Deadly accurate there it is

[dry knoll]

ah sweet it rolled HH and Opening salvo so thats not too shoddy

[lusty jetty]

I am a huge fan of Opening Salvo over Deadly Accurate for a bunch of reasons BUT it depends on the roll, perks, talents, breakpoints, etc

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna buy the silly helmet
But I'll wait

[pastel geode]

Despite the whole inquisition thing going on the mourningstar itself is actually a rogue trader ship.

[umbral scaffold]

It seems like an absolute waste of money x 5 when it's not even in a bundle

[pastel geode]

Which helmet?

[civic knot]

huh

Whos the rogue trader?

[tiny summit]

Yea. Watch it come in a better color later

[dry knoll]

brahms I think

[pastel geode]

Shipmistress Brahms

[civic knot]

ah

cool

[tiny summit]

The white haired old lady in the startup cinematic

[muted knot]

Why opening salvo ?

[lusty jetty]

TLDR is that Opening Salvo just works every single time whereas Deadly Accurate a) requires both a weakspot and a crit which happens dramatically less in gameplay outside the meat grinder and b) DA often results in overkill

[muted knot]

I can see it on the mk12

Oh wait

1a is the middle one isnt it ?

[sharp trail]

i like the enginseer because he's a machine empath

[muted knot]

Or is that the 4

[dry knoll]

so you'd keep these blessing and change the perks I guess?

[sharp ember]

that comm pairing was a very pleasant surprise, to find that there are cult mechanicus members even more devoted to machines than hadron

[lusty jetty]

Holy shit dude

[tiny summit]

I mean though isn't that the point of HH? It guarantees crits as long as you click heads

[lusty jetty]

"As long as"

Big conditional in hectic gameplay

[tiny summit]

Yea. Its a horde game. When aren't you clicking heads with a lasgun

[lusty jetty]

OS just works

[pastel geode]

It’s easy to miss the details if you aren’t super into warhammer and pay close attention, like how the traitor is in the background of every cutscene nearly before hitting 30

[thick wolf]

Hadron acting as the translator to his language is a little bit amusing

[pastel geode]

Yeah it was great

[tiny summit]

Enemies aren't known for their evasive maneuvers. But I won't argue that opening salvo does in fact just work.

[muted knot]

Does OS timer change with guns ? Cause the time to trigger it again does feel pretty long on mk12

[lusty jetty]

Yep

[dry knoll]

It's more friendly players causing enemies to flinch that make me miss than anything else

[sharp ember]

wait until we get melee enemies that do backdodges and block attacks

like those damn volatiles in dying light

[lusty jetty]

I use the Vraks VII 98% of the time and for that weapon OS results in more consistent output, DA either overkills or doesn't let me one-shot gunners if I don't land a crit on the weakspot

It could be that DA is better than OS for the Kantraels depending on the rest of your build and perks etc

[sharp ember]

and raiders

[muted knot]

The DPS on bosses is kind of nutty with DA tho

[lusty jetty]

Yeah but if you'

re a Vet with a Kantrael/other DA weapon you're generally not on boss duty

[muted knot]

That's fair

But if you play with randoms you are always on every duty

[lusty jetty]

Yep

[muted knot]

Wait till they add shields for chav

Vraks 7 is the single shot one right ?

[lusty jetty]

Yes

[thick wolf]

scav bombers but they either throw smoke nades or potatoes

[lusty jetty]

Ignore the heretics saying it's undertuned

[keen coyote]

Does doing the bosses on hard more give a diff banner thing or is the Damnation one the highest tier reward?

Random question

[muted knot]

I just prefer my hellbore over it

[lusty jetty]

Community groupthink states Kantrael 1a is based, Helbores are based, but the Vraks VII which outperforms them in literally everything except ammo economy is bad

[sharp ember]

clearing on damnation hardmode gives you an extra special banner with more glowy bits

[lusty jetty]

Yeah I really want to like the Helbores, i really do

[pastel geode]

I just want a molten beam of metal to ruin armor with bigfish plz

[lusty jetty]

I just dumped 5k plasteels into 1 and 3 variants but just can't get them to jive

I also only have Onslaught II which could be it

[sharp ember]

well, maybe not glowy bits

gilded bits

[keen coyote]

Blessings of the Emperor upon you, Guardsman.

[sharp ember]

spiky bitz

[muted knot]

How does it outperform a good mk1 ? I just don't see the upside

[pastel geode]

Gimme shark of the fat: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Meltagun

[umbral scaffold]

The silly scions one

Looks nice
But what a waste of money atm

Not in a bundle so it's probably gonna be 30% more expensive compared to it
And it's already more expensive

[pastel geode]

Eh, I enjoy the voice modulation it provides

[muted knot]

Gives hot take how gun A outperforms Gun B, asked to elaborate, no answer

I just wanna learn man

[dry knoll]

yeah scion helm is cool but i wouldnt personally buy it unless it goes into the bundle which it presumably will eventually.

[muted knot]

Feel like it's too round imo

Needs more edges

[dry knoll]

he could be in game and busy popping head

[muted knot]

That is fair

[umbral scaffold]

Oh it will
They'd be silly not to

And even then

I like Kasrkin more than scions so

Should just wait for that

No reason to buy multiple skins tbh

[pastel geode]

I honestly envy my vet’s winter coat cause it dropped down to 5 degrees Fahrenheit last night

[dry knoll]

If it doesnt come with the distinctive camo pattern I will riot

[pastel geode]

Oh god, I think someone spiked the psyker juice

One of those madmen thinks all classes need a nerf to make the game harder

[lusty jetty]

Craft a good one and use it 🙂

[signal mango]

Tell them to run profane weapons and empty tree.
And stop effing it up for the rest of us.

[untold mulch]

Beautiful