veteran-class

[stuck dawn]

brodie I am not here to fight anyone

[strange grove]

lets all talk about how the bolter needs a buff

[serene sage]

can you be more specific?

[stuck dawn]

I am just stating facts

[serene sage]

you sound like one of those stickler for rules type deal

[junior needle]

We're gonna keep going until we get results

[terse idol]

whaat, no this is the restaurant I opened and then I retired to be a vet

[untold mulch]

I just consider that is just as easy to ask for the topic, chat has derailed for an hour because no one changed topic

[stuck dawn]

no, I am just trying to discuss the veteran class

[terse idol]

But naw jokes aside yeah, I mean just aask

If you got questioons

[strange sparrow]

Veteran is retired

[strange grove]

people here would lose their minds if they went into zealot chat

[serene sage]

so far, nothing specific but moaning

[strange sparrow]

Also if you want to know

[untold mulch]

Like if he asked and was ignored

fair fucking game

[strange sparrow]

You could ask

[terse idol]

every class channel will just leave discussion of the class every now and again naturally

[stuck dawn]

all right man I will sort myself out

[terse idol]

Zealots devole into cats

etc

[strange grove]

zealot chat is maybe 30% about the game

[strange sparrow]

That’s great

[untold mulch]

[strange sparrow]

I love cats

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[terse idol]

but ask doe for reeal

Is what I mean

[strange sparrow]

But I’m not into the emperors that much

[untold mulch]

Change to Zealot chat

First thing I see

[serene sage]

imma be real, this chat is derailed often but i have yet to see someone coming in here with a specific question and get ignored

[strange sparrow]

Allow me to tell you about how shit is recon las gun

[untold mulch]

[strange sparrow]

And why do FS need to buff it

[stuck dawn]

corsnake I understand reading the rest of the chat on the channel is hard

[crude ermine]

I don't think you like the recon las

[strange sparrow]

Nice observation there

[terse idol]

All that happened is we got sidetracked on fighting games then talking about wages

[crude ermine]

I'm like abert eindten

[strange sparrow]

Despite being a quoso

[terse idol]

Is normal stuff

[iron marten]

crit string shocktrooper nerf... felt that one in my bones!

[junior needle]

I also love cats

[strange sparrow]

Cats is nice

[untold mulch]

The sidetrack is real

[strange sparrow]

Until they decided that they must push a cup down the table

[serene sage]

Einstein once said to Oppenheimer, the father of the atom bomb, "Recon is shit, bro. Please play a real gun." before rage quitting and refused to help with the Manhattan project.

[crude ermine]

Real

[serene sage]

It's true, they said that in the biopic Oppenheimer

[crude ermine]

I was there

[strange sparrow]

Real

I was there in Nagasaki

[untold mulch]

Real
I was the Manhattan project

[iron marten]

did Oppenheimer reply with, "I'll make the Bolter meta"

[crude ermine]

No

[strange sparrow]

The bomb dropped and there was a loud noise

RECON IS SHIT

[serene sage]

he did but then just continue to play plasma instead

[iron marten]

this is why the US government shunned Oppenheimer...

[strange sparrow]

AND everyone evaporated except I because I was main-ing zealot at the time

[serene sage]

Strauss was a Helbore shill all along

[untold mulch]

If a bomb explodes and no one is in radius

Did the bomb make a shockwave?

My brain is in shitposting hours

[strange sparrow]

I don’t know, ask oppheimer or something

[untold mulch]

Ogrynheimer

[strange sparrow]

I’m all about that bomb baby

(Praying for Friendly fire to be implemented in DT)

[crude ermine]

Until death must've procced

[strange sparrow]

Ogrynheimer nukes the squad

[iron marten]

for real though, I hope red tier soon

[crude ermine]

My psyker would fucking die

[untold mulch]

Sees the Ogryn nade indicator go red

oh no

[strange sparrow]

They deserve it for fucking around with the empyrean

[serene sage]

I mean tbf most horde shooters have friendly fire

[iron marten]

"You were killed by a grenade. Watch out for the grenade indicator."

[untold mulch]

Funniest part about the FF idea

Rock to the dome

[strange sparrow]

Veteran become most hated class

Would you look at that

[serene sage]

no, Psykers

cause they can't actually aim

[strange sparrow]

[serene sage]

Surge psykers will do the most FF

[terse idol]

Oh no

Ogryns would suffer

[strange sparrow]

Chaos rock to be going for my Ogryn right now

[terse idol]

Or kill all vets

[serene sage]

and smite psykers will get auto kicked

[untold mulch]

The grenade indicator is just a

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-gif-22862644

[strange sparrow]

Stop shooting me lil uns

[crude ermine]

Wait

[untold mulch]

TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING

[crude ermine]

Would I accidentally blow up my teammates brain

[untold mulch]

[crude ermine]

That'd be kinda funny

[iron marten]

"Not a necromancer!"

[untold mulch]

Oh god

Assail

Assail players

[terse idol]

The Vet when the Ogryn decides the vet would look better as a stain on the floor

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[serene sage]

so far, all im hearing are good reasons why we need FF

[iron marten]

man, I was clutching, and one of my dead teammates was backseating me

like bro pls

[crude ermine]

slap him silly

Do like 180° slap

[junior needle]

Throws grenade into horde surrounding my teammates

They all die immediately to bleed

[serene sage]

snap back "sorry but dead people shouldn't be talking"

[iron marten]

like bro pls

[crude ermine]

The dead can't talk

Cuz they're dead

[untold mulch]

Backseat gaming

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[iron marten]

the reason I'm not changing pos is A: gunners and B: almost 0 toughness

[untold mulch]

Only comment in chat when only one remains

[serene sage]

bro why aren't you dying like the rest of us so i feel better about myself

[untold mulch]

is hyping the mf up

If someone clutching only acceptable decorum is hyping up

[iron marten]

we won in the end, but godammit man

[serene sage]

90% of my in game chat consist of
gg
gt
stfu
nade here
ammo here
heal here

[iron marten]

I don't want to gatekeep, but holy shit shut up, you're level +74, I'm level +560

[serene sage]

why use many words when few words do trick

[untold mulch]

[spring spindle]

I’d say like 40% of that is people acting out their character

[crude ermine]

Had someone tell me

"You got this"

I uj

I didn't

[untold mulch]

he believed in you

[crude ermine]

I was one of those bubble smite psykers unfortunately

Not the good kind at the time

[iron marten]

Soap trusted you

[serene sage]

and how he is half what he used to be

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-punch-gif-19248454

[untold mulch]

I thought I could too

So why in the bloody throne, does Wolfer know you

[spring spindle]

Every once in a while when one teammate is clutching I give ‘em a good “I believe in you”

[untold mulch]

Inquisition be like

[untold mulch]

Fr needs to be hyping up

[iron marten]

Judge, Jury, and Executioner

[untold mulch]

"One guardsman vs the entire moebian force. a Fair fight lad get on with it"

[crude ermine]

I really didn't like the fact that some guy named Epstein was hyping me up during an auric mal

[untold mulch]

LMAO

[crude ermine]

Yes

That Epstein

[upbeat loom]

I only seem to ever see dead silence or "rez me rez me"

[untold mulch]

I have gotten at least once chat going "He is beginning to believe"

When I had to clutch

[upbeat loom]

That's a good one

[terse idol]

I just dont say anything, one time I did say what was on my res but I just decided it's better to keep quiet or hype it

[untold mulch]

Silence or Hype, no other way about it

[spring spindle]

To be fair. Most of my games are no chat talk other than an occasional “thanks!”

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-thinking-serious-gif-13737672

yo what?!

idk what's going on

and my phone just

[upbeat loom]

Yeah 99% of games have no typed chat other than "ammo" "meds"

[spark helm]

put that front and center

[serene sage]

Read

[iron marten]

truey

like this!

[untold mulch]

EXACTLY

[crude ermine]

The office

[spark helm]

oh. oh...

[crude ermine]

The hit tv show

[spark helm]

oh...

oh...

mmm...nope.nopenopenope

[untold mulch]

My usual comment after a tough fight is along the lines of

"Average Atoma commute be like"

[spring spindle]

My favorite chat moment was me telling someone sorry (don’t remember what for)

They responded “it’s okay to be born cadian”

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-smh-disappointed-sad-no-dude-gif-6128933

[final stone]

a quick in case you missed what breakpoints are

carry on

[spark helm]

nice pla-

ope...

[spring spindle]

Me when I run into a crowd with a knife as a Zealot be like

“Average walk to work in Britain”

[untold mulch]

[spark helm]

hell naw

lmao

wait. i'm screwed now

I actually know some uk drill rappers that aren't half bad with they music (*not associated but familiar with the y catalogue)

never played knife zealot to uk drill rap.

I'll let yall know how it goes.

[inland orchid]

i thought the sentence was gonna end at "never played knife zealot"

boy was i wrong

[spark helm]

oh no that'd be me just lying at that point. knife builds are some of my favorites.

[inland orchid]

awesome to hear i got a broski vet thats in love with the mobility it offers

[untold mulch]

Join T5 maelstrom with every ahrd modifier

2 ogryns level 30+2

[serene sage]

They wouldn't know it's hard

[slender turtle]

And?

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

[untold mulch]

We wiped in ther first rooms

Tbf it was a bad combo, silent burster + BoN the back

• idiot Ogryn falling off a cliff by himself

no explosions

[slender turtle]

Yeah sounds about right

[untold mulch]

dumbass just fell because it was lights out

like 3 times

[untold mulch]

I swear I assume is like common sense

[serene sage]

Yeah but they were having fun

[untold mulch]

to be able to play with not much difficulty in the previus diff

before jumping

[untold mulch]

I mean if you consider spending half of the match hanging off a cliff fun

[finite imp]

That looks rediculous

Goof ball ahh commissar

[spark helm]

fuck comms

they're all goons

[junior needle]

Commissar fat bastard

[spark helm]

fuck the militarum, fuck the imperium, fuck the emperor, fuck karl franz, fuck sigmar

[terse idol]

Fuck Sigmar ayo?

[inland orchid]

did he ask for consent?

[final stone]

consent implies the ability to refuse

aint no refusin the empra

aint no refusin sigmah

you's his

see?

no red buttn

[finite imp]

someone hasn't read Gaunts Ghosts

[final stone]

you pick up or you pick up

[finite imp]

not all comms are bad

[final stone]

yous gonna get onna dese calls ere soon

[finite imp]

some comissars value their men highly

and care about their wellbeing

[terse idol]

I do like the krieg commisars, all not from krieg, pretty lax role

[strange sparrow]

Most Comissars Does not

[finite imp]

Read First and Only

and then if you like that, you have 15 more books to read

lol

[hollow hawk]

Any tips for this penance? I imagine a revolver would be best for it?

[finite imp]

yes

[terse idol]

I would ASSUME commissars are taught in the commisar school to hopefully balance discipline with morale

[finite imp]

Training is training. Compassion comes from the man

comes from within

[inland orchid]

but then he wouldnth ave any ac-

oh the message got deleted

[gray finch]

i forgor there are more then 1 passive

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma985-i-saw-what-you-deleted-burger-king-gif-26029821

[hollow hawk]

Gotcha

Revolver and then just melee everything?

[finite imp]

yes

[hollow hawk]

Ty :)

[inland orchid]

ive heard good things bout using revolver for the penace

[finite imp]

good luck

[inland orchid]

ima probs try it with a shotgun myself

[finite imp]

idk what else you'd wanna use besides plasma

[inland orchid]

pretty hard to miss when the shotgun's point is to shoot people close imo

[finite imp]

thats true

[pastel geode]

Commissars do what commissars must to maintain unit cohesion.

[finite imp]

the shotgun wouldnt be a bad idea

[finite imp]

At the end of the day, the mission must be done. The work must be done. The emperors will must be carried out.

compassion or no

[wary wharf]

I might have to keep grinding for a good PG. I hear Charge Rate has to at least pass 70

[strange sparrow]

It is easier to maintain a strict disciplinary action than morale upkeeping for commissar

Some comissar do indeed are compassionate I would say

[finite imp]

if you think a commissar will shoot you for disobeying, imagine the punishment for a commissar who disobeys

[strange sparrow]

like "cain"

[inland orchid]

idk bout u but both of those seems "good"

[finite imp]

I do not wish to argue with you but in my RL military experience that's just not true

[pastel geode]

Cain is a helluva meme lol

[inland orchid]

sometimes i like to work with my non-god rolls and they still tend to slap

[finite imp]

i know 40k is fantasy

[strange sparrow]

huh? 40k

[finite imp]

^

[strange sparrow]

IRL is vastly different from 40k

[finite imp]

i think humans are still humans

they think and act and have the same needs and wants as us

[inland orchid]

they do share some similarities so i can see where actual miltary experience can come into play

[pastel geode]

The difference is the conditioning

[finite imp]

The philosophy behind methods of leadership can be polarizing

[junior needle]

Charge rate is a dump stat currently, since nobody actually uses charged shots. It used to matter due to weird shit like charge rate actually affecting the damage of uncharged shots but that's been fixed.

[strange sparrow]

I would say think of 40k like ww1 i guess

[finite imp]

thats a great example

[hollow ibex]

I do

[strange sparrow]

a lot of stuff just went over people's head

and a mile is a mile

[pastel geode]

The way the imperial guard generally handles casualties is probably more akin to the Soviet Union during ww2

[untold mulch]

Depends on Regiment

[strange sparrow]

Yea also depends on regiment

[untold mulch]

but yeah a lot of incompetence

[finite imp]

leadership philosophies can be polarizing for sure. Some leaders would claim a harsh leader with an iron fist is good, but more often than not I find that when a chief or an officer is friendly with his men, they value his life more, they look up to him, and he is remembered by them.

[pastel geode]

Obviously, that’s why I say generally

[strange sparrow]

but I generally view 40k settings in WW1, where human lifes isn't valued

[untold mulch]

but like, there are regimens where troopers have carapace and hellguns

[strange sparrow]

also a lot of commissar is fanatic about big E

[junior needle]

But yeah your main concern is damage/stopping power. Secondary concerns are ammo/thermal.

[strange sparrow]

so that would play into some cult like things

[finite imp]

and men that value and look up to their officers are going to hate letting them down

[untold mulch]

Harakoni Warhawks have carapace in all the important bits

[finite imp]

there are perks to both forms of leadership

[strange sparrow]

And to be honest, how Astra Militarium right now viewing on the human casualties in each battle is more of a

[wary wharf]

That's a relief

[strange sparrow]

Not that bad

[finite imp]

you can have your men hate you but fear you, sure

[untold mulch]

90% of Guard battles is the Guard steamrolling

[pastel geode]

Gotta remember at the end of the day that for every distinguished regiment there’s a hundred cookie cutter regiments

[strange sparrow]

Because Human is probably the most available stuff that can be throw into the meat grinder

[finite imp]

Commissars under the imperium are SPECIFICALLY trained not to waste human lives actually

it's wasteful and a disgrace to the emperor

[untold mulch]

Anbd those regiments are usually in the places where they won't see the hard fighting

[finite imp]

They're trained to make every man count

[untold mulch]

But the novel is written about the Ork battle where everything went wrong

[strange sparrow]

But undertaking mission that have high casulties rates to make heretics die faster?

[finite imp]

weather or not the commisar actually listens to that is lol

[strange sparrow]

That's perfectly okay meanwhile

[finite imp]

a joke at best

[untold mulch]

Spend the emperor currency

but not waste it

[strange sparrow]

like the fact of saving people life is to minimize casulties i would say

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cadia-stands-gif-26921022

[finite imp]

overall in all my reading, i see many corrupt commisars, who hold self interest

they let their positions get to their head

[strange sparrow]

but most battle just grossly ramp up in terms of death tolls

to make sure they get all the glory before someone else

[finite imp]

such is the struggle of war

[untold mulch]

Meanwhile chad Cain

IF troops happy

Troops don't get itchy when I give them my back

[finite imp]

but that still falls under minimizing human lives

[untold mulch]

[finite imp]

a life is a life is a life

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, Cadia leadership is chad

[pastel geode]

Cain is just goofy

[finite imp]

if few must die so many can live

so be it

[strange sparrow]

Man decided to fight along side the troops, eat with the troops, vice versa

[finite imp]

their names will be written in gold on terra

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer40000-chainsaw-trumpet-gif-18105749

[terse idol]

Well to be fair too, people often times memes how many troops die

Its like that meme of uhhh, Krigers will gladly die for the emperor

Like yeah

[strange sparrow]

In 40k, that's perfectly fine because how much people there is

[terse idol]

But they're entire regiment is focused on trench warfare, defense and artilery support

[finite imp]

The Cadians bordered on obsession, but thier military strength is (was) undeniable

[strange sparrow]

the most abundant resources is human in 40k rn

[finite imp]

unstoppable even

[terse idol]

They aren't just gonna kill themselves

[tranquil bronze]

I've been corrupted comrades. I'm turning into a VRAKS main.

[terse idol]

They'll do their job

[finite imp]

exactly

[strange sparrow]

tbh, Krieger do kinda take more suicidal mission in general

[finite imp]

dying juz cuz Muh heretic is shit military tactics

[terse idol]

Mhmm

[finite imp]

Causemen

Krieg is just the planets name

[pastel geode]

Bordered? They started teaching children at like age 5 how to field strip a lasgun lol

[tranquil bronze]

They're so deathly pragmatic, it even creeps out the Astartes.

[finite imp]

LOL

[terse idol]

Yes but also, kinda
They are a regiment from a death world their ancestors made

[finite imp]

yeah

[strange sparrow]

Yea...

[terse idol]

But they'd mostly be chosen for harsh conditions where their expertise shines

Defense, and slow advances

[strange sparrow]

They're so willing to die, everyone in the astra militarium leadership hate them

[finite imp]

With a causemen you could spend and entire campaign bunked up next to one, and they won't say a single damn word to you

but then jump on a grenade to save you

it is very creepy

[tranquil bronze]

Speaking of Astartes/Guardsman interaction. Raptors and Catachans get along extremely well.

[pastel geode]

As much as everyone memes on Cadians I honestly respect them more after the fall of Cadia

[terse idol]

People misconstrued that keigers wouldn't help wounded guardsmen but they would, they do what it takes to complete the mission

[strange sparrow]

I mean, you would think of it that way but tbh, I would blame the conditioning

[inland orchid]

fair, a little bit of backstory goes a long way

[strange sparrow]

there is nothing human about krieger

[terse idol]

I mean heah

Kriegers are probably clones

But they do pretty good

[finite imp]

Anyone who makes fun or or hates on Cadia hasn't read the books

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-merde-shit-chier-nervous-gif-21201350

[terse idol]

Their regiment is basically ww1 Germany but infinite

[finite imp]

CAUSEMEN

https://tenor.com/view/frantic-studying-reading-exams-exams-week-gif-7530000

[pastel geode]

13 black crusades before it fell

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-read-read-up-checking-taking-note-gif-15388141

[terse idol]

What the hell is a causemen

[strange sparrow]

Cadia do be a meme for having that heresy infighting that start out the entire 13th crusate

[finite imp]

idk where the term Kriegers came from or Kriegsmen

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

YOU MOTHERFUCKER

[untold mulch]

Remember Cadia sacrifice to destroy a vital Blackstone fortress

[terse idol]

Because its their planet

Krieg

Its like why we call Catachan fighters

[finite imp]

and their planet calls them CAUSEMEN

[terse idol]

Catachans

Cadians

Me as I

[strange sparrow]

that abaddon is giving out for free....

like hot cupcakes

[terse idol]

Remain completely ignorant

Time to reread the krieg wiki

Before I get my head cut off

[pastel geode]

And the fact they held out so well abaddon said “fuck this bullshit” and rammed the blackstone fortress into the core, then still kept fighting on the broken remains.

[terse idol]

LOOK its catchy

[strange sparrow]

How many Blackstone fortress did Abaddon gave away again?

[finite imp]

it also makes more sense

[terse idol]

Yeahhh

[finite imp]

but for some reason krieg leadership wants to be different

[urban steppe]

cosmetic cash shop getting update in every month right ?

[untold mulch]

The Planet broke before the Guard did

[finite imp]

if only they did that to the game

[untold mulch]

Love that is not a boast

Is a fact

[urban steppe]

i just forget lol , took a break so yeh

[finite imp]

Read Cadia stands and then come back here and laugh about cadians

i dare you

[strange sparrow]

Yes I still gonna laugh about Cadians, what are you gonna do

[finite imp]

Bro I cannot fucking believe it's been 10 minutes since I mentioned Cadia

[pastel geode]

There’s only 6 known to exist and abaddon wasted one on Cadia

[strange sparrow]

Catachan on the other hand

have an entire chaos infestation happening while they're off world

[terse idol]

Well

"Wasted"

[strange sparrow]

came back, the nature ate the chaos

[finite imp]

abbadon is my favorite shade of black in the citadel paint series

[strange sparrow]

[urban steppe]

soon will come out cadian default colored heavy armor ( green ) than ill laugh

[untold mulch]

Tyranid and Chaos go into Catachan

[terse idol]

Cadia would have held if not for the Blackstone fortress

[untold mulch]

No one notices

[urban steppe]

[terse idol]

I'm certain

[pastel geode]

The fortresses are super ancient relics predating humanity

[terse idol]

You don't simply "beat" a fortress world

[finite imp]

behold

[terse idol]

Without crashing a fucking ship into it

[finite imp]

my workbench

[terse idol]

You inspire me to paint again 😭

[crude ermine]

Get to painting Donatello

[untold mulch]

Cadians fist fight daemons

Abbadon rage quitted

[finite imp]

tis the empras work

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn't say it's wasted

Breaking Cadia lead to very big problems right now

[spring spindle]

What’s the isopropyl for?

[strange sparrow]

G man can't catch a break

[spring spindle]

As someone new to painting

[untold mulch]

Gorillaman has no breaks

[pastel geode]

I only say wasted cause it’s an irreplaceable relic

[finite imp]

to clean brushes

[terse idol]

Ooh really

[finite imp]

yes

[strange sparrow]

His new awaken brother wouldn't catch a break too

[terse idol]

Do you have your brush conditioners too

[strange sparrow]

because all the chaos primarch be acting up rn

[finite imp]

Isopropyl breaks up paint pigment

[terse idol]

I got my soap brick here

[finite imp]

Yes

wanna see my secret weapon tho

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

Every faction getting new shit and gearing up for escalation

[untold mulch]

And Guard the same

[finite imp]

ONLY USE ON HAIR BRUSHES

[untold mulch]

Hold the fucking line

[terse idol]

WHAT THE

[finite imp]

OH YEAH

HAIR PASTE BABY

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

it conditions and preserves the oils in your hair brushes

[terse idol]

I got my uhhh

[finite imp]

it's so fucking good

[strange sparrow]

This is probably the most blursed thing I saw

all day

[finite imp]

and when you're ready to use them again you just rinse

bro it's basic chemistry and it's amazing

[finite imp]

some of those brushes are over a year old

[terse idol]

That's what I use

Even if I haven't touched my painting stuff in centuries urghh

[finite imp]

also use this

[pastel geode]

Artwork kinda gives me red dead vibes

[finite imp]

yeah it has a late 1800s aesthetic

[terse idol]

Thinner instead of water to thin down paints, making sennse

[finite imp]

who'd have thought

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

trick is to mix it with water tho

[terse idol]

Oh

[finite imp]

so you don't just liquify your pants

[strange sparrow]

My only problem with painting 40k figure is those set is so expensive

[finite imp]

paints

[strange sparrow]

[finite imp]

etsy has proxies 🙂

[terse idol]

Whats proxy

[finite imp]

like 90% of my dragons are etsy made from a sculptor that I go to

[terse idol]

Ooh

[finite imp]

he 3d prints and sculpts them and i paint

[strange sparrow]

Proxy is basically 3d printer

[pastel geode]

But can you paint a guardsman in the same pattern as the LMB from The Division?

[finite imp]

LMB?

[strange sparrow]

Shit still cost a lot for me

[finite imp]

the hobby is expensive to get into

but i can reccomend some decent start kits

ill warn you tho

[strange sparrow]

it is certainly is, and I watch a lot of like recommendation video about sets

[pastel geode]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Last_Man_Battalion

[finite imp]

once you get into it

you can get lost in it

my workbench looks like a madmans workshop

[strange sparrow]

I don't need more empty space for hopes and dreams

[finite imp]

plates and plates of mixed pigments in my endless struggle to get shades to look just right

wanan highlight? mix with white

[wise fossil]

Anyone ever tried this with Bolter? Might alleviate some of the awful reload time

[finite imp]

wanna darken? wash with nuln oil

[finite imp]

that ability is the centerpiece of my gunkata build

[junior needle]

The thing with bolter and WS is

The swap time

[spark helm]

iudk the mathh on it but it's nice to have on other guns i run

like shotguns and shit

shotties, revolvers.

[strange sparrow]

Swap time bolter suck and Exec Stances doesn't work with Weapon Specialist

[wise fossil]

Yeah, revolver was my other thought

[terse idol]

Revolver is

[strange sparrow]

You probably need to use this , pairing with VoC

[terse idol]

Excellent with weapon spec, and always prepared

Its my goto weapon spec

[strange sparrow]

To do pullout animation cancelling

[finite imp]

i use a knife and revolver

[wise fossil]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[finite imp]

the revolvers draw speed is so fast if you practice you can work it INTO YOUR MELEE COMBO

its SO FUNNY

[wise fossil]

Now I have to get a good revolver roll on my vet

[finite imp]

had a pubby spectating me doing this and he was like What the fuck are you doing you look crazy

lmfao

[wise fossil]

I'll try on shotgun next time

[finite imp]

but it's so strong

[atomic sapphire]

Shotgun is what I like rolling with.

[finite imp]

stun with knife BANG was that a fucking revovler? is my face gone? oh shit

[atomic sapphire]

Did Hardmode Twins with it.

Still my baby.

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[wise fossil]

I got a really good 380 lawbringer the other day. Guess I'll wait for them to patch it into usefulness lol

[pastel geode]

God I still need to do that at some point

[atomic sapphire]

Don't know what to tell you man.

Good luck though.

[junior needle]

It has a niche for scattershot/flechette memes

It's not a great niche

but uh

[finite imp]

look man ive said it before and ill say it again

dont need to be meta to have fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_jZSRZ_Bo

[pastel geode]

You only need meta to kill the twins on hard XD

[untold mulch]

Another random ass silent poxburster that didn't even appear on the spider sense mod

[finite imp]

CHEATER CHEATER

]KILL HIM

DRAG HIM BEHIND A HORSE

[untold mulch]

I will uninstall it when Fatshark fixes a core element of their fucking game

[pastel geode]

I’ve never had an issue with bursters not playing audio

[untold mulch]

Its very inconssitent

some people have no issues

opthers like me the game is unplayable

The moment 5+ specials are in the area

noise is gone for consistency purposes

[atomic zephyr]

just get better hearing

[strange sparrow]

I actually never have the problem with noise

[pastel geode]

I blame nurgle

[strange sparrow]

I do not know why

But it just not on my end as much

The only time I have trouble with the audio was PoxBurster Walking
but Audio instantly came back when they do the jump/leap animation

I just write that off as they instant spawn and instant jump

[finite imp]

i stg game ill show YOU A BACKEND ERROR

YOUR BACKEND IS GONNA BE ERRORING SO HARD

[nimble sphinx]

Is Brutal Momentum 4 (15% Weakspot dmg), or Wrath 3 (45% cleave on Hit) better on a Power Cycler sword. I'm trying to craft for my new lvl 30.

[strange sparrow]

Brutal Momentum but not for the reason you're thinking

[nimble sphinx]

the hit mass?

[strange sparrow]

The fine print of ignore mass when weakspot is why you want it

Yes

[nimble sphinx]

what does that even mean?

[junior needle]

Wrath is entirely redudant pswords, and yeah brutal lets you get first target damage on multiple targets

[strange sparrow]

So normally, Damage drop off when you hit multiple target

[finite imp]

hit something, my fist stops ouch

[nimble sphinx]

interesting.

[strange sparrow]

so first enemy take 100%
second take 80% vice versa

because of their mass

[finite imp]

hit something with brutal momentum, it hurts the rock behind it

[junior needle]

Kill something with brutal*

In the head

[finite imp]

rightg

[nimble sphinx]

ok, thank you very much, did not know that.

[strange sparrow]

But Brutal Momentum ignore that Mass concept, and give you First target = 100%, Seconds Target = 100% in the Weakspot

[finite imp]

its like mowing the grass

i wish my low mein would cool down

its too hot

[strange sparrow]

It allow you to do a lot of disgusting things

[finite imp]

like put ketchup on mac and cheese

[strange sparrow]

that's alright

try mayonaise instead

[finite imp]

see?

SEE?

look what BM has done to him

[celest vine]

you can get insane horde kills with one hit

[wise fossil]

I'll just wait until it's more than a meme 😅

[strange sparrow]

You just hate Mayo

Fr

[nimble sphinx]

what's really good with Mac n Cheese is some Crispy Pepperoni bits.

[zealous wyvern]

i usually dont ask for meta or best-in-slot

but can someone tell me if this knife is worth buying for melk bucks? to get the blessings i mean

[finite imp]

i literally refuse to eat a sandwich without it you're just unhinged

[tranquil bronze]

Just hada special ammo mission where they were all in one train

[zealous wyvern]

uncanny strike 4, riposte 4

whats the meta for knives?

[celest vine]

powersword

[pastel geode]

Screenshot the knife

[finite imp]

no idea dawg

[zealous wyvern]

i mean blessings for knives

[sterile wadi]

Does the blue lasgun shoot full auto

[celest vine]

powersword

[finite imp]

im not the guy to ask about knives sorry

[strange sparrow]

No idea my man

[tranquil bronze]

This me knife

[strange sparrow]

Knife is out of my field

[finite imp]

lol

[zealous wyvern]

not necessary, i just need to know if one of these blessings is worth buying for blessings

[finite imp]

im jk i have more golden knives than i know what to do with

[zealous wyvern]

i will not keep it

[wise fossil]

Those are good blessings yeah

[zealous wyvern]

i know you are the knife man sun

[celest vine]

mine

[zealous wyvern]

so riposte is good then?

[finite imp]

get you uncanny strike, and executor

[slow sky]

its been so long since ive played veteran and decided to look at what power swords i had, i assume slaughterer over rampage since the rampage bug is fixed

[tranquil bronze]

Riposte is solid

[zealous wyvern]

hmm so both are good?

[finite imp]

if you have serrated blade get mercy killer

[wise fossil]

Yes, especially on Mk6 knife

[zealous wyvern]

uncanny or riposte

[finite imp]

riposte is always good too

[zealous wyvern]

its mk3

[finite imp]

NEVER SKIP UNCANNY

NEVER

[zealous wyvern]

but the mk doesnt matter actually since im scrapping it anyway

ok ill get uncanny sun

thank you

[finite imp]

uncanny is the best blessing

[slow sky]

yeah uncanny is mandatory in every weapon it comes on

[wise fossil]

Riposte, mercy killer, precog are all good. Uncanny is mandatory

[sterile wadi]

How.. uncanny.

[finite imp]

also use +3 stam curios

i have +9 stamina 🙂

[zealous wyvern]

im not actually going to use a knife rn

[finite imp]

BECAUSE I GOTTA KILL FAST

[zealous wyvern]

just checking melk since level 4 blessings are hard to get

so i am always on the lookout

[slow sky]

i was gonna say flesh tearer if you wanted bleed over lacerate, but im zealot brained
i wouldnt use either bleed blessing on veteran

[finite imp]

YOURE THERE IM HERE AMAZON PRIME THIS SHIT INTO YOUR PREFRONTAL CORTEX ITS COMING AT YOU

[zealous wyvern]

first level 4 blessing actually

for knife

[finite imp]

also id reccomend carapace/flak/unyielding

[slow sky]

either way, lacerate is a trap that seems way better than it is

[finite imp]

jsut because those are opponents the knife already shines against

you wanna exemplify your strengths

[tranquil bronze]

Is it bad if I leave a grimoire holder for dead?

[finite imp]

no

he picked up heretical material

[radiant cargo]

been trying out a real close quarters vet build based on all of the swapping back and forth between ranged and melee. For those that have done those, is there a good rule of thumb on good weapons for that? Toyed with the higher damage catachan sword. Just getting my hewad wrapped around what to try out.

[finite imp]

you are automatically obligated to pick up any grimoire you find and destroy it immediately in front of the pubbies

Teach them

[strange sparrow]

I would advise using the chainsword XIIG for CQB and Revolver

But Psword and Dclaw is fine tbh

[tranquil bronze]

I left this bastard for dead yesterday

[finite imp]

damn these noodles are good

[slow sky]

i am very biased as my username suggests
but for a 50/50 build, a generalist dclaw is sex

[finite imp]

good

[strange grove]

I would have done the same, people are too stupid to reroll contracts at melk

[junior needle]

Lacerate

[strange sparrow]

DevilClaw 4 is what you want in specific and You need to mix attack to make it useful

[finite imp]

the grims are a trap

[slow sky]

yeah i was thinking this too lmao

[finite imp]

they're SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO WASTE YOUR TIME

[strange sparrow]

Weapon Swap into Revolver to give anything a quick headshot

[finite imp]

knife

[slow sky]

it does have a very easy to grasp moveset tho so it takes no time at all to learn

[finite imp]

DC is still good tho

[strange sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196961168242262046/ragerreaction.gif?ex=65b987f4&is=65a712f4&hm=722e865afb9692e05ff51c8055fd20e3368dccb09f0208b1dc7b04a735498470&

[slow sky]

the thing that takes time to learn how to use effectively is the parry

[radiant cargo]

"mix attack"?

[strange sparrow]

Darktide is a dancing game, to put it simply

[tranquil bronze]

Really wish we can deconstruct weapons for plasteel

[finite imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewImr3hvl4k

[radiant cargo]

I was having a surprisingly good time with the devil claw and las pistol, though I'm trying the auto pistol out instead of the las again.

[finite imp]

(real)

[strange sparrow]

DC4 Light attack only have 100+ damage while DC4 Heavy attack have +300~

So you mix the swiftness of Light attack and Heavy attack = 1L1H

[radiant cargo]

rogger. just wanted to make sure you meant swap weapons and duck and weave, as oposed to that being a blessing or something I just wasn't familiar with.

[junior needle]

You mix it for consistent horizontals

[strange sparrow]

Also that tbh

[junior needle]

If you want all heavy horizontals dc1 does that

[finite imp]

Well I'm DANCING WITH MY SELF

OH IM DANCING WITH MY SELF

[strange sparrow]

Fuck knife player fuck knife player fuck knife player

[radiant cargo]

yea, I was using the 4.

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/damiosanrus-gif-7871968960718044394

[slow sky]

i had an idea for this with actual numbers and math attached, and i think the average amount of stuff youd get from a random mission reward on damnation was like 200 plasteel if you broke it down, which also would be a nice bounce back from a shit upgrade

[finite imp]

make sure you take me out to dinner first fuckboy

by the end of the night you're gonna be calling me "old young benjamin"

[slow sky]

the h1 being an overhead on the mk4 is just too good to pass up imo though

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7cqUcJ8u5o

[slow sky]

sprint cancelling and one shotting everything but the bucket heads when theyre spread out

[radiant cargo]

ok. I'll kep trying that one out. I've played with chain sword on my vet a ton, so this is honestly a good reason to have a different play style. so I'll keep going down the dclaw4 road. I'm not familiar with their perks; anything that should be avoided despite looking good, or vice versa?

[finite imp]

OH YA MAKE ME WANNA SHOUT

COME ON NOW

SHOUT

[strange sparrow]

There isn't anything to look out specifically

But Rampage + Sweeping Savage is good

[slow sky]

id say a generalist build would be rampage and savage sweep

[hollow ibex]

Ignore impact blessings

[finite imp]

also if you're gonna play FAST weapons you need good music

[strange sparrow]

And yea, Ignore Impact Blessings

[slow sky]

been to long since ive looked at vets tree, so idk if it has crit synergy like zealot does

[finite imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZF8G7ssoUk

[strange sparrow]

not a lot for Veteran

[slow sky]

but if it does, swapping sweep for shred works

[finite imp]

certified knife music

[wise fossil]

Is there a reason I see so few people using Infiltrate?

[finite imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAA4cKDL5Go

[finite imp]

cuz it sucks

[celest vine]

I have uncanny strike

[radiant cargo]

roger, haha, those are what I have on my chain sword.

[strange sparrow]

It suck to spend so much point to make it great

[celest vine]

but 550 knife

[slow sky]

if you get that roll anyway, its not the end of the world cuz dclaws still have decent finesse damage multipliers so youre getting value out of it much more than the fuckin impact blessings lmao

[wise fossil]

I get that the smoke grenade sucks, but I don't entirely understand why infiltrate sucks

[strange sparrow]

While VoC allow you to do a lot of stuff with2 point

VoC

Piss Toughness allow you to survive almost anything

[wise fossil]

That makes sense. It looks like minimum 3 points to get a little bit good

[junior needle]

Your knife says lacerate riposte

[strange sparrow]

This include Crusher Overhead

[radiant cargo]

on the stub pistol front, what on earth is the real difference between the 2? I only palyed them back when there was 1, and don't even remember which is which. lol

[strange sparrow]

Zorona always

[finite imp]

its an INSTANT PANIC SWITCH that CLEARS space INSTANTLY fills your toughness bvar and OVERSHIELDS IT BY 50 AND gives your teammates 50 toughness

[celest vine]

as a blessing change

[strange sparrow]

Agripinaa have speed loader, but you lose out a lot of damage

[finite imp]

the team is gonna LOVE YOU

[celest vine]

I have others to put in its place

550 knife tho

[finite imp]

write it on the walls

[junior needle]

I see, well when you have it on there we're inclined to think that's what you use

[strange sparrow]

But overall, feel free to test out anything

This game doesn't have that much hard meta that

punish you to play certain weapon

(EXCEPT RECON)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196961168242262046/ragerreaction.gif?ex=65b987f4&is=65a712f4&hm=722e865afb9692e05ff51c8055fd20e3368dccb09f0208b1dc7b04a735498470&

[wise fossil]

Oh yeah, I run VoC all the time. Love it.

[celest vine]

I like the 550 number

[hollow ibex]

The difference is that agripina sucks and zarona is good

[finite imp]

imagine a revolver you cant aim with

[radiant cargo]

LOL. agripina the new one I assume? I don't remember a speed loader on the old one.

[finite imp]

Who the fuck does that

[wise fossil]

Power maul is very bad lol

[hollow ibex]

Yes no ADS

Which is the real issue

[strange sparrow]

Trust me it isn't

[finite imp]

what were they fucking smoking

[radiant cargo]

wait, wut, NONE?

[finite imp]

NONE

WHY NOT JUST MAKE SPECIAL ATTACK THE FANNING??????????????????

WHY

[hollow ibex]

Yah it’s old western style. You fan the revolver in hip fire

[strange sparrow]

it is still usable, compared to Recon las

[radiant cargo]

and in exchange for low accuracy you are gifted with low damage? I see, excelent, excelent.

[finite imp]

Are you guys cutting your shit with FENNY?

[strange sparrow]

All you get is speed loader

for sucking

[finite imp]

AMAZING IDEA

[strange sparrow]

So Zorona reload one by one

[radiant cargo]

to be honest. I'm gonna have to try it out on principal, just to see it for myself. but it won't be a regular use.

[strange sparrow]

While Agripinaa be like

[finite imp]

the speed loader is technically WORSE TOO because when you start to reload it theres a point where you HAVE ZERO AMMO as opposed to the old revolver where you can STOP YOUR RELOAD EARLY AND STILL HAVE ROUNDS

[strange sparrow]

5 at a time

[finite imp]

WHAT THE FUCK

[strange sparrow]

No no no no, think of it for other classes

[finite imp]

????????????????????????

[strange sparrow]

Like zealot

[radiant cargo]

I'll have to see if I like the revolver vs the auto pistol.

[strange sparrow]

That need to reload individually

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[strange sparrow]

It just suck for veteran cuz we get so much funny things

3.33% reload from reserved

[finite imp]

im tired boss

[strange sparrow]

Lessago

[wise fossil]

Uh... sure

[untold mulch]

Afterr a T5 with the new laspisotl

[strange sparrow]

there is just stuff that is worse than that

[untold mulch]

just me or the breakpoints are kinda shit

[finite imp]

it needs work

[strange sparrow]

Which is why Im comparing it as Usable

[wise fossil]

Sure, I agree with that

[untold mulch]

No shit

[wise fossil]

But Pmaul is one of the worst Ogryn weapons

[finite imp]

you're spraying down range and getting outperformed by other weapons that serve the same role

[untold mulch]

I think Fatshark should ahve done a burst Laspistol

[finite imp]

YOU GETTING MOUTHY WITH ME BOI

[untold mulch]

Yes 🗿

[finite imp]

go to your room

[untold mulch]

I am in my room

[finite imp]

oh shit

yeah that's fair

[untold mulch]

[finite imp]

i forget that you can put a pc inside a room that isnt an office

[sleek garden]

what's wrong with it

[slow sky]

still waiting on that pc4
idk if id use the psword over a dclaw but know

[finite imp]

i moved mine out into the living room to be more social with my wife

[untold mulch]

I have it in a 180º angle with my bed

[slow sky]

ill probably change this now to flak and pc3

[untold mulch]

Literally I can lay down on my bed while on the pc

[wise fossil]

It feels like you're beating the heretics with a Nerf sword

[untold mulch]

Nice

[sleek garden]

i suppose thats true but for single target i just spam power light

works well

[finite imp]

it looks obnoxious but its actually nice

[sleek garden]

i like it more for throwing people around

[wise fossil]

Yeah it can work as Nahcies said. It's that almost every other Og melee weapon is better

[finite imp]

instead of smoke nades can the vet get a flashbang

no damage pure stun

[hollow ibex]

Yes for flashbanging my teammates

[finite imp]

i PROMISE you that wasn't my plan

CROSS MY HEART

[sleek garden]

i kind of like several weapons people say are bad

[finite imp]

DT PVP clips (real)

[sleek garden]

behold

my vet weapon

[finite imp]

its a good axe wym

[sleek garden]

i mean zealot

sorry

[finite imp]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719

[sleek garden]

ive heard the tac axe kind of sucks

[finite imp]

who told you this

[sleek garden]

a few people

i dont remember names

[terse idol]

Not as good as rashad

[wise fossil]

TAC axe is actually okay. It's nowhere near the best but also not the worst

[finite imp]

a few people

[terse idol]

L

😌

[finite imp]

a monkey in a tree tells you there's gold at the bottom of the well do you jump in

no you eat the monkey

[sleek garden]

theres a guy right now telling me the power maul isnt great

its fine

[untold mulch]

I mean

The monkey is speaking holy fuck

[finite imp]

that's why you gotta eat em

[sleek garden]

also you guys were just talking about ogryn weapons

why do i have to go to a different place

[finite imp]

im not telling you to leave

[untold mulch]

Gotta show human superiority

[finite imp]

im just saying you'll probably get better opinions for zealots in the zealot channel

[untold mulch]

I am

Leave

/jk

[sleek garden]

sad

i go

goodbye...

[wise fossil]

Actually looking at the list of zealot melee options, TAC axe might be near the bottom

But it's still very useable

Not bad at all

[finite imp]

my main point was people play differently

not every sock fits every foot you dig

tthe true meta comes from within

[terse idol]

NOOO

[wise fossil]

Yep. Your build has to feel good to you

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-rorschach-watchmen-ginger-gif-9657032

[untold mulch]

Launch Trailer of Helldivers 2 👀

[sleek garden]

the only weapon i dont truly get right now is the flamethrower

[finite imp]

it didnt launch tho

[sleek garden]

maybe i got a bad one but it takes like 10 seconds to burn poxwalkers

[untold mulch]

Yeah for some reason the launch trailer is 3 weeks early

Still, for freedom

[finite imp]

idiots accidentally hit upload

[untold mulch]

I hope is good

I loved the first one but the camera is a pain

[finite imp]

they went from isometric to 3rd person

so well see

also i just realized holy fuck

Dungeons and dragons is a 2nd person game

[untold mulch]

Its the same game but tps

[finite imp]

???????????

[untold mulch]

.....

Oh my god

[finite imp]

DUDE

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-peter-griffin-insane-crazy-gif-21485232

i just got a message from the feds saying dont move

[untold mulch]

The matrix has been breached

What have you done

You condemned us all

[finite imp]

a man who thinks

[tiny summit]

Please Helldivers 2 not run like absolute ass on launch

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rodin-yoyo-gif-4803278

[untold mulch]

Fr

[finite imp]

dont worry im sure it runs fine on quad RTX 4090TI's

[tiny summit]

[untold mulch]

Doesnt

[finite imp]

Hey guys we've decided NOT to compress any assets in the game so good luck

[tiny summit]

Darktide still having stutters on my laptop at low 1080p...when it can handle sizable games at 1440p medium

[finite imp]

do you use RTX

[tiny summit]

Nope

AMD laptop

[finite imp]

lol wtf

oh it's a laptop

[tiny summit]

6800m

[finite imp]

so you use the m

yeah

that checks out

[tiny summit]

Still runs a lot of stuff really well at 1440 medium

[finite imp]

it might be due to your air profile

yeah DT is still unoptimized

but the 1080 is still a chad as fuck card

[tiny summit]

Laptop is for job travel. Don't have much issues on my desktop at home

[finite imp]

makes sense

i actually moved to a SMALLER case

because i got an i9 13600K

[untold mulch]

1060ti 3gb Vram is still running on mine

lad doesn't give up

[finite imp]

you could cook a porkchop on the gen 13 i9's

hotter than hell

[tiny summit]

I'm about to go on my flight. I wonder how bad airplane wifi is to play Darktide

[finite imp]

what airline

that will matter

[tiny summit]

United

[slow sky]

what flight number

and what seat number

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[finite imp]

lemme do some maths

sec

[finite imp]

are you planning to buy the pass or whatever

[tiny summit]

I may. Play my gachas on my ride

[finite imp]

currently it looks like the speeds are 600 Kbps. with that bitrate it COULD be possible but

airlines are crooks

when you connect run a speed test from your laptop to get your true numbers

cuz they can say 600kbps but is that per user or the entire plane

when you're finished with all that you should be ready to hijack the plane

[tiny summit]

There was an online fighting game tournament for melty blood. 1 character and no rules on connection. There were so bad connections they had to go to coin toss. Someone had a flight and entered with the wifi

[finite imp]

tell everyone to get off the internet at gunpoint because you need to play darktide

[viral wraith]

what should I change?

[finite imp]

weapons

[tiny summit]

Infested and shattering

[viral wraith]

shattering not useful?

[finite imp]

YOU THINK HES TALKING JUST TO HEAR HIMSELF

AAAAAAAAA

[tiny summit]

You're using plasma. Most things are dying before that brittleness provides any value

[finite imp]

yeah if something is getting hit with plasma

[sonic marlin]

any good? few people said they use 2x toughness 1x hp curios

[finite imp]

it's not long for this earth

[finite imp]

thats not even a good curio to begin with

[tiny summit]

Health curios max at 21%
Toughness max at 17%

[gray finch]

just go 3x hp

and its bad

[sonic marlin]

yeah no

what should i change the last perk to, i heard regen is bad

[finite imp]

go +9 stam

🙂

cant get hurt if you just block

[gray finch]

deadshot with +9stam and collumnus autogun

[tiny summit]

It's not bad. Curio perks are personal and inconsequential

[stuck gorge]

worth? 13k docs

[finite imp]

mobility below 50 and you're gonna start having issues

[tiny summit]

You got the dockets? Can't hurt you

[finite imp]

pass imo

[tiny summit]

But yea pass imo

You know you can get a more evened statline

[stuck gorge]

yea 380 is max

also melk can roll without a curio in shop?

i thought it was guaranteed

[finite imp]

defensive curios imply the existence of offensive ones in the works

js

[dry marsh]

Does anyone know what trust level you need to be to get t4 blessings from Melk? Is it 30?

[stuck gorge]

5% extra special attack damage.

[gray finch]

depends how you look at that

[finite imp]

with my own 2 eyes

[gray finch]

i mean you can use stamina as a 25% critchance with a vet

[finite imp]

no im saying

go to melks

look at the random curios thingy

they're described as defensive

which makes me think they have offensive in the works

[gray finch]

maybe they work on it still

from the start of the game

[junior needle]

You mostly get t3's even at 30

I often get multiple days without a t4