veteran-class

[frank ether]

after a year of negligence leading to mouse playerbase just quitting the game

[terse idol]

Bullet magnetism

[tiny summit]

Still can't believe this is real

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

Yeah, because it was calculated that controller aim assist was basically easy mode

[terse idol]

If only CoD war zone was good

[frank ether]

Literally all halo infinite needed was a separation of inputs

they had like

250k something players on launch pc

[untold mulch]

Happened the same to MC collection

try to play Reach

with mouse

The controller plays itself

[hollow hawk]

Is the devil's claw sword any good for veteran? And how does the parry work?

[frank ether]

All this money thrown down the drain

[tiny summit]

Isn't there a cat gun that talks "nyalike this"?

[nimble sentinel]

yes and yes

[untold mulch]

343 is incompetent and for some reason uses a shit ton of TEMPORAL contractors

[frank ether]

because some dumbo at microsoft probably wanted to push crossplay

[untold mulch]

instead of hired people permanently

[hollow hawk]

Excellent

[frank ether]

so microsoft being cheap

or 343

[untold mulch]

Both

[frank ether]

same thing at this point in my eyes

[untold mulch]

who saw halo

[frank ether]

microsoft xbox anything they touch gets the scarlet rot

[untold mulch]

and who sees it now

[hollow hawk]

New to veteran so I wanted to come up with some kinda mobile melee build

Then I'll probably grab a plasma gun for big targets

[frank ether]

and this xbox&pc crossplay push has been the worst thing ever for pc fps g ames

[untold mulch]

I am more mad about Halo Inifnite campaign

than the MP tbh

[frank ether]

I was so disappointed in the MP that I did not buy it

under all that garbage there is a good core game

[tiny summit]

Looking at MS/343i fumbling

[untold mulch]

They fumble the easiest stuff

Watch next halo to ignore half of Infinite

343, people disliked some aspect of the previous campaign

Lets throw half of the plot points and explain in a novel

🗿

[tiny summit]

I'm a Gears fan. They spent like a full year of weapon tuning Gears 4 multiplayer balance and reached a really good spot. Threw it all out come Gears 5.

[frank ether]

I just hate having to look outside sources in general

[untold mulch]

DARKTIDE BE LIKE

[frank ether]

I'm an enjoyer of GW2 and its my number one criticism of that mmo

not the lore

but the entire achievement system(%90 of the content) requires you to look up a wiki

I guess to a degree darktide has these problems with mechanics but nowhere near as bad

like all the people being confused about rending and needing to look up guides

thats still nothing compared to games that just dump all the info outside of the game in wikis or social media

[thick wolf]

stats for this look good except the shredder

[untold mulch]

Just remembered the old days in minecraft

Wiki on tab to craft

I still remember 90% of Minecraft crafting by sheer muscle memory

[thick wolf]

keep in mind

they did the same when making Halo 5 because people hated the fuck out of Halo 4

[untold mulch]

They always do the same

[slender turtle]

I still remember the days of being excited as a kid for minecraft that came to the 360

[nimble sentinel]

I still remember playing elite dangerous and having my second screen have a boomer amount of tabs just to haul junk from one station to the next and make a profit

[untold mulch]

343 just doesn't has the balls to just keep the fucking plotline and try to make it good

they way they do it is schizo at best

[thick wolf]

took out much of Chief's character development from the prior game and make Cortana Skynet

[untold mulch]

Good days

[thick wolf]

anyway, that chainaxe's stats

[untold mulch]

God they fumbled Cortana so bad in 5 and Infinite

[thick wolf]

I can't exactly blame Infinite's writer, he tried his damn best from the wake of that ex-Marvel writer fucking everything up in 5

[terse idol]

Probably oh yeah I remeber

[thick wolf]

remember to not let any Marvel writer write anything non-Marvel, they'll fuck it up

[frank ether]

yea you dont rly want shredder dump stat

you have two other dump stats

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/Mt_eBBvrTYI?si=chKub1Dni09L8j08

That's pretty funny

[untold mulch]

I still say Weapon shouldn't be a thing or actually be Cortana with the memory clusters being her recovering herself

[terse idol]

Halo infinite had many mistakes and "f2p" multiplayer was certainly one of them

[thick wolf]

well, better to be 343i than Bungie at this rate

[thick wolf]

especially with how Destiny's going at rn

haha lemme just gut 3/4 of the content people pay for, especially the original base game lmao

[terse idol]

I'm like

[thick wolf]

you simply cannot excuse that

no technical excuse can defend it

[muted knot]

Stop sending shit I can't load with limited data 😦

[terse idol]

*sigh
The issue being, alot of that content wasn't relevant, I talked to my friend who's huge in destiny and he excuses it because there's no way bungie can balance for every single old gun

[untold mulch]

The fact that the community has not burned them at the stake is baffling

[terse idol]

And the old lore didn't matter

And people didn't even use those guns

It was more collectibles

[thick wolf]

meanwhile 343i still gets more shit than them for almost half the commited sins Bungie is committing

[terse idol]

Well, because 343 wasn't able to make a good halo since like reach

[untold mulch]

Bungie was the one who made Reach

[thick wolf]

by that point even if you can make the best game imaginable the community will still fling shit at you

[untold mulch]

343 has fumbled every game

Halo 4 MP

[terse idol]

Halo 5, bomb shell
Halo guardians - MC getting beat up by random chuds

[untold mulch]

Halo 5 Campaign

[thick wolf]

its why I'm scared of ever mentioning Halo since 2012

[terse idol]

Oh

[barren cave]

reach is the greatest game bungie ever made, fite me

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

Halo Infinite EVERYTHING

[tiny summit]

I can understand to a certain extent but I also don't think Bungie is special enough to be the one mmo that just deletes expansions.

[untold mulch]

343 is legit top shit studio

[thick wolf]

nah

[terse idol]

Its tough

[untold mulch]

10 years no real success

[thick wolf]

I'd say Gearbox is slightly worse

laughs in their new Borderlands games, oh god

[terse idol]

The worse company competition when Activision blizzard walks in

[untold mulch]

okay my bad I meant top in like around top not THE WORST

[tiny summit]

I wouldn't say shit. More like. Disappointment

[thick wolf]

the thing is

[nimble sentinel]

I am convinced handsome jack was accidentally such a good villain

[thick wolf]

I still believe 343i can make solid games, hell their games are solid compared to a lot of its competitors

[untold mulch]

But that I have no clue how it took them until now to have management cuts, when they have fucked up for 10 years

[thick wolf]

its just that they're too easily swayed by community outrage

[nimble sentinel]

they threw shit at the wall and someone happened to have swallowed a diamond with their taco bell the night before

[terse idol]

Monney

Its why it took so long for blizzards execs to get canned

And that only happened because Microsoft bought em

[untold mulch]

Goddammit

I hate corporative world so much

[thick wolf]

once something the community deems as complete heresy and needs to be burnt at the stake, they'll backpadel as hard as they can

[tiny summit]

They made a cool as fuck intro cinematic of the Spartans showing off and then had one of the worst looking slap fights between 2 7ft dudes in power armor

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-master-chief-locke-master-chief-vs-locke-halo5-gif-21201877

I can hear like a trumpet low quality version of the halo theme

with this choreography

[thick wolf]

well, still better than the new RWBY fights

just

barely

[terse idol]

How the hell chief didn't break him in half baffles me

[untold mulch]

Oh boi

[thick wolf]

something something didn't want to kill him idk

[untold mulch]

I assume because

Chief was going easy on him

[thick wolf]

I get the intent, but it was handled poorly

[untold mulch]

but the choreography

is so poorly done

[thick wolf]

if anything the more preferrable option is let Chief just dodge his punches nonchalantly

[tiny summit]

Mass Effect Andromeda having the 2 krogans slap fight is a contender

[thick wolf]

I'm still the only person in the world who likes Halo 4 for what it is

[untold mulch]

I somewhat like the campaign

[thick wolf]

so I am ripe to be cyberbullied by everyone

[untold mulch]

Like the core part of Halo 4 story is good imo

[thick wolf]

in a sense I wanted to also blame the fanbase for being so overreactive

[untold mulch]

the core part of 5 and Infinite is pure dogshit though IMO

[thick wolf]

as long as it's not made by Bungie it's instantly considered shit

[tiny summit]

Infinite to me has a good core. Multiplayer wise. But it's like they made Halo 3 with even less maps and less cool weapons.

[waxen abyss]

Chief shouldn't have to pay for gas if he is driving the dude to work (idk I never played halo 4)

[thick wolf]

Infinite's gameplay is more refined compared to 5

[tiny summit]

Wooh another mid range precision rifle to add to the others

[thick wolf]

and is the best in terms of "capturing the classic" even if I say they should've taken it a new direction

[thick wolf]

I don't want them to make another Halo 3, but the community wants the same damn game over and over again

[slender turtle]

Halo 5's MP was pretty good. It was obvious though where their focus was more than anything

[thick wolf]

its like they want Halo to have Call of Duty's "lol same game" reputation back in the 360/PS3 era

[tiny summit]

Yea, my problem is that they got the classic feel down but damn. Did nothing interesting save grapple hook

[untold mulch]

I agree, I like it

But the Story was a failure enoguh that, well

[thick wolf]

ehhhh

I still like the story for what it is

[untold mulch]

Completely unnecesary open world

[thick wolf]

the open world isn't that harmless

[tiny summit]

Well 343i purposely playtested people who didn't like halo and liked cod to see how to grab that audience ever since starting 4

[thick wolf]

if you want to shit on the open world aspect there's ODST

[nimble sentinel]

reeks of board room exec kids being addicted to breath of the wild and thinking that's the way to go

[tiny summit]

I don't even know what happens. I played 2 missions. Got bored

[thick wolf]

at least the open world is small enough that I can tolerate it

I cannot play a Ubisoft-type open world again

I'm sick of that shit

[untold mulch]

Not much happens after

Is a nothingburguer

[spring spindle]

Are the blessings good on this?

[slender turtle]

I thought ODST was good as its own spinoff

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

Jazz sounds

[thick wolf]

I just wish Infinite's DLCs didn't get canned

simply because they overrely too much on contractors

but hey, community got want they wanted

they want the game to fail and fail it did

thanks

[tiny summit]

I'm open to them. Cyberpunk 2077 launch was the best ubisoft style open world I played in a while. Wonders what a cool setting and some good writing can do

[thick wolf]

up until Starfield I've never witnessed a game being turned on it's back so fucking quick

[hoary stratus]

no, gloryhunter is pretty bad and surgical doesn't really make sense for the way that boltguns are used

[spring spindle]

Glory hunter is bad? I can understand surgical but is the amount of toughness you get just not worth it. Or is it because it’s elites?

[untold mulch]

God I hate that type of argument so much

343 fucked up, case ended.

People are not mad because they want something to fail, they get mad because they want it to be good and it stumbles for a fucking decade

[slender turtle]

After i witnessed starfield, i went back to FNV and pumped another 400 hours into it. Needed more mods though

[tiny summit]

I still have it installed. I love landing on a planet with 3 random outposts like 3min walking in between with nothing

[thick wolf]

at the same time, given my horrible experiences with them

the more I stay away from them, the saner I feel

[tiny summit]

NV woop woop

[slender turtle]

Bethesda will never hire another group to outstage them in game design

[tiny summit]

I still haven't played Oblivion. Maybe I'll play that over Starfield

[nimble sentinel]

starfield makes me weep for elite dangerous

[copper barn]

I honestly never made an outpost in Starfield. It’s really a nothing kind of game.

[slender turtle]

Maaaaaaan. I wish elite dangerous didnt have devs that sat on their hands

makes me cry thinking about it

[nimble sentinel]

I am honestly surprised how odyssey introduced terrible mechanics while breaking everything that did work and exasperating everything that didn't

[hoary stratus]

it's not that much toughness and you can get pretty good toughness regen on elite kills from the talent tree already. if you wanted to salvage that boltgun I think gloryhunter would probably be the blessing to keep, since it has a higher chance of being useful

[thick wolf]

well that game had such a disastrous launch it's amazing that they aren't ripped apart badly from all the outrage

but even that can't save me from getting tired of the ubisoft open world tropes

[tall torrent]

Starfield scaled back Bethesda’s storytelling for a massive open world that just barely works on their engine, and then didn’t do well on the exploration aspect nearly enough

[thick wolf]

especially when it feels liek it's basically screaming "linear level design bad"

[slender turtle]

I left before that. I had realized the devs didnt want to be proactive in keeping the game alive and focused more on a theme park game instead of their super potential gold mine of a space game

[nimble sentinel]

[raises Hutton Orbital mug in respect]

[thick wolf]

at least it ain't Star Citizen, fuckin goodness

[tall torrent]

NMS is just leagues & bounds above Starfield in exploration
And this year had several very strong RPG games which slammed Starfield in that role play aspect

[tiny summit]

I actually lucked and had no gamebreaking bugs. Some funny ones like cars falling from the sky or car being spawned in buildings or under cop cars and blowing up

[thick wolf]

40k irl money on a ship

[tiny summit]

"Most innovative" steam award

[tall torrent]

Steam players are just trolling there’s no way people genuinely thought it was most innovative

[thick wolf]

I'm pretty sure people voted for that as a shitpost

[nimble sentinel]

with the amount of money it would take to get into star citizen I could get someone to animate myself getting SA'd by Charlie from Hazbin Hotel

[thick wolf]

but became a reality

[lilac kayak]

ubisoft?

[thick wolf]

but yes, my maximum tolerance for open world in terms of large maps nowadays is Infinite's

[tiny summit]

Ubisoft-style. Open map and it's just a flood of side activities all over.

[slate sleet]

the most innovative game for starfield was a troll

[tall torrent]

Large open world can be fun as long as it doesn’t drag down story pacing & overall experience

[slate sleet]

was some reddit full of people who all decided to tell everyone to vote for it as a joke

[lilac kayak]

thought u meant ubisoft made it xD

[tiny summit]

Also who were the ones that nominated Starfield for TGA Best RPG?

[slate sleet]

the joke is obviously that starfield is the most out of date backwards turd to come out in 2023

[tiny summit]

Like...the fuck

[stuck gorge]

What’s the problem with starfield I’ve never heard of it before

[tiny summit]

I keep trying to give Kingdoms of Amalur a chance. But it always feels like single player WoW

[tall torrent]

I played AC Origins to full 100% (all map objectives in main story + both DLCs) and it wasn’t bad at all

[strange sparrow]

AC origin is like

[nimble sentinel]

Odyssey was fun

[strange sparrow]

MMORPG fight now

[terse idol]

Yeah honestly I thought people only did that so it could go on sale

[tiny summit]

I hit AC burnout but only ones I'm looking forward to trying out again are Unity and Rogue

[tall torrent]

Origins was genuinely good

[terse idol]

Starfield has so many deep seated issues that I don't even know modders could fix it

[tiny summit]

I'm excited for Tekken 8 baby...and it launches when I'm on a job trip...

[terse idol]

While they could just mod skyrim again

[tall torrent]

I also finished Unity 100%, it’s good

It’s still a bit buggy but the core is very good

Probably the best traditional AC game

[nimble sentinel]

love how they did socrates in odyssey, a proper ugly overthinker

[iron marten]

holy shit

[nimble sentinel]

loved every moment with him, wish there was more

[terse idol]

Honestly AC is pretty solid still

Ubisoft actually kinda keeps their IP's in working order

[tall torrent]

I wish they expanded the story further into Socrates’ death and all that

[terse idol]

Except ghost recon, that's a dumpster fire

[tall torrent]

Like, just a small Socrates expansion based on Plato’s later writings

[tall torrent]

A friend of mine spent like 200hrs in Valhalla and 100%’d everything, he absolutely hated it

[nimble sentinel]

same, but it would have also been easy to just give him weird whimiscal lines about life that don't actually go anywhere and call it a day. There was effort in his portrayal and it was good

[tiny summit]

Whatever the fuck is happening with Beyond Good and Evil

[tall torrent]

He also 100%’s Odyssey and was ok with it

But he especially liked Origins after I told him to play it (this is after he finished both Valhalla and Odyssey)

[thick wolf]

I kinda beg to differ

[tiny summit]

I will not devote any effort in 100% any game unless I am really clicking with it

[iron marten]

My older brother loves Odyssey to shit, he did New Game+ like 20 times lmao

the funniest build he did was just using a staff, bonking everyone in a radius

[tall torrent]

Odyssey improved on the buildcraft aspect a lot while still keeping it pretty simple

Valhalla just went overboard and it became a chore

[jaunty fiber]

This is a pretty good start, right?

[nimble sentinel]

ancient greece is also a wonderful time period for all their weird lore stuff with beasts and demigods and relics of the bronze age and etcetera

[tiny summit]

Yea

[flint lake]

Most ancient lore was just drunken ramblings gossied up by poets.

[jaunty fiber]

nice. pretty sure I don't need infested, should that be flak?

[flint lake]

Like, dude, isn’t wild how like horses foam up when they’re exhausted? It’s like sea foam! I bet that’s how they were made!

And thus the story of Pegasus.

[tall torrent]

I’d say take to gold first then decide

[jaunty fiber]

Well yeah, that's a given I'm just outta plasteel

I just don't know what Other blessings I care about outside of uncanny and repost

[flint lake]

X files has better lore

[jaunty fiber]

So I'd imagine that one of those perks should be changed

[tall torrent]

Infested is kind of fine because knife does struggle with horde clear

[terse idol]

Look, there's no other game like rainbow six siege that consistently goes back to rework and update old maps, make new maps every season and adds new operators every season without fail

Now I do understand how it's less and less grounded but whew ubisoft knows when they struck gold

[thick wolf]

tis not even grounded anymore, its a clown circus

[terse idol]

Yeah, it's fine imo 😌

[thick wolf]

if someone told me that Siege would look like that in 2020 and later, I would've called them crazy

[terse idol]

The first trailer of rainbow is a meme

The true rainbow is... well kinda not rainbow at all truthfully

[untold mulch]

Q E
Q E
Q E

Random 9mm pens 3 walls and one shots you

[flint lake]

The cowboy shoot out event was a lot of fun

[crisp oak]

I liked the sledge vs monsters with recruit

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/bugcat-dancing-wiggle-wiggling-moves-gif-16331008

[untold mulch]

I sure love geytting one tapped with Fuze

Why you go with a helmet man

[thick wolf]

but I guess triple A companies are willing to sacrifice their game's intentions to make a quick buck

[untold mulch]

100%

Everything is a sacrifice for that profit

[thick wolf]

literally nuCall of Duty since Vanguard

[terse idol]

Iirc I think they made it so 3 armours don't instantly die to a headshot

But I dunno remeberrr

[terse idol]

Well I mean I played it not too long ago and it's fun

[thick wolf]

the amount of shit I see in MW2 and MW3 reboot is enough to make me go blindfold over three days

[lime gyro]

Me a Tarkov enjoyer

[terse idol]

Attack and defense with some pretty tense situations, coupled with shootable walls, it's a good time

MW3 was...

[thick wolf]

MW3 reboot, jesus christ I swear

[terse idol]

I mean I thought it was a way for the activision execs to make a quick hundred million then leave with 0 effort

[thick wolf]

Activision intended for it to crash and burn that hard as a final middle finger to the acquisition

[terse idol]

Yeah

[thick wolf]

I love triple A executives

[terse idol]

Mw3 was literally a warzonr dlc and dats it

[thick wolf]

I totally so want to beat them up the first second I see them

even the campaign is just warzone dlc

fuck I feel bad for Sledgehammer

[untold mulch]

Grts head eyes, every corner

[terse idol]

Yeep

[strange sparrow]

SOAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[terse idol]

And some how they expect they expect people to pay for new warzone skins because they don't carry over

Like hoooooo

[untold mulch]

And people go

And pay 20 bucks for the shittiest skin ever

Because the average consumer is braindead

[serene sage]

Why that dude missing half his body?

Ate a bolter round?

[sterile wadi]

[slender turtle]

Hi-rez is doing the same for smite 2. Not even considering the expensive skins

[finite imp]

that's the ape brain working

https://tenor.com/view/mw2-soap-russian-badger-funny-edit-gif-7945134629265725348

[terse idol]

Well

It is an updated engine

We'll see how they do it but no I agree with you it burns

Smite however is... okay on some of those practices

At least it's been out for YEARS

Mw2 has been out for like 2

So the comparison turns into

Activision expects you ro pay 70 dollars for 2 full price games and the skins you just got, each of them costing 20 dollars minimum

They want you to get a completely different set for a game that doesn't even have a realized campaign

[jaunty fiber]

lul

[strange grove]

After playing a few games, 1A lasgun with marksman focus really slaps.

[dusty sluice]

what should i do with this?

[strange grove]

Too bad you hear plap plap plap all mission

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher to thrust
Unyielding to carapace

[terse idol]

It really is!

[dusty sluice]

i am collecting shovels, what about this?

[tall torrent]

Trauma to Take a Swing
Poxer to flak prob

[dusty sluice]

blessing hunting time

[strange grove]

lol

[thick wolf]

that is some god stats for a shovel

what in sam fuck is this plasmagun stat

[dusty sluice]

this is the shovel i currently use

shovels are the reason i started playing vet

from zealot

[thick wolf]

okay jesus christ those stats shit on my shovels

[idle swallow]

I'm a freak who likes all or nothing on my shovels cuz I'm usually also running deadshot

[dusty sluice]

thats kinda a nice idea

[strange sparrow]

Did you ever watch that guy touring asia

This is a good piece of meat what it is

And the guy just go

Meow Meow

[abstract moth]

Guys when looking at weapon stats for example you see a weapon with 80 damage in the damage section but then see another weapon with less damage in the stats but looking at the overall damage of the weapon it does more damage of the 80 percent damage weapon. Why is that?

[strange grove]

Shovels are great, I love baseballing bursters

[strange sparrow]

There is certain stats that influence damage too, other than damage

Such as First Target, and Stopping Power

[abstract moth]

Oh okay so those are the catalysts too, okay thanks!

[strange sparrow]

@abstract moth for example, this that was brought up

You can see Lower Damage Modifier have higher Damage in Light Attack and Heavy Attack
That is because of First Target Modifier

[abstract moth]

Yup got it, thanks

[regal belfry]

is the mk1 infantry autogun good

[finite imp]

Yes

[regal belfry]

but all talk mostly about the mk5

[umbral garnet]

It's great for target acquisition with the slower fire rate.

[finite imp]

you asked if it was good not if it was meta

[umbral garnet]

You can keep it on weakspot much easier.

[finite imp]

just because something isn't meta doesnt make it bad

[umbral garnet]

Correct!

A lot of stuff is very viable.

ALso, I saw shovel speak a moment ago.

Still looking for T4 Trauma

Or decimator.

[tall torrent]

Mk5 - best dps, shreds everything, best dodge distance, low effective range
Mk1 - best breakpoints, efficient vs most human targets, high recoil
Mk8 - lowest recoil, best sustained firing uptime, no particular downside

[abstract moth]

Guys you think slaughterer plus power cycle is good? Both lvl 4

Sorry for power sword

[umbral garnet]

I'm running with PC3 and Slaughterer 4 and it is doing me wonders, I'm sure it'll treat you well.

[hollow ibex]

Meta is pc + brutal momentum

Or sunder iirc

[abstract moth]

I have another with brutal momentum and power cycle. I'm trying to get sunder too but I ain't finding it

[hollow ibex]

I just use brutal momentum

[abstract moth]

Yeah but you know diversifying things too is nice, plus you get a first hands on if you like more that perk or the other one

[umbral garnet]

Meta is good, sure, but a bore. I just use the blessings that feel good for me.

[hollow ibex]

Diversifying is great… if the crafting system would let me reeeee

[idle swallow]

I recognize the plasma gun as a very powerful weapon but I pretty much never use it cuz I find its style of play very lazy/boring

[torpid sundial]

use the helbore 3 like me

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b19ae1e-3d3b-40b8-98e6-88f313890ed8/helbore-3-nade-spam

[tall torrent]

Soft meta is best meta

[abstract moth]

Yeah I know what you mean, we all do. That's why I hauled everything. I had 8plus million coins, 100k plus PS, and 49k diamantine now I have 7.833.450 coins 99,526 PS 45,367 diamantine and will go lower since is always giving me same hecking blessings

[torpid sundial]

throwing two frag nades at the same time 20% of the time clears hordes so fast its insane

instant burst plus 12 bleed stacks

[abstract moth]

I like melting enemies, that's why I use it tbh

[tall torrent]

I’ve spent at least a couple million dockets just harvesting blessings to fill up hadron’s stickerbook

[muted knot]

Absolutely fair

[torpid sundial]

So whats the best way to farm T4 blessings

[tall torrent]

Most of the weapons available for veteran, I have only like 2~4 tierIV blessings missing for them

[muted knot]

Upgrade high base power weapons to gold

[torpid sundial]

I want a surgical 4 on my helbore really badly

so at blue, I swap the tier 3 blessing to tier 4 of the one I have, then upgrade purple to gold?

[tall torrent]

Take stuff to gold

[muted knot]

What even is the difference between 3 and 4

[abstract moth]

I'd do it only with weapons I really like but I can see that becoming a goal if you did everything and want to set yourself a new task

[torpid sundial]

or is it okay to leave stuff at T3

at blue

[tranquil bronze]

I now have the agony of trying to get DA III/IV

[tall torrent]

Collecting blessings is a pretty fun progress actually

[abstract moth]

Gold best way to find lvl 4 blessings

[tall torrent]

And kinda makes the crafting system less frustrating when u can harvest and still be making progress somewhere

[torpid sundial]

I mean at blue if I get a T3, does it give me better chances if I swap it to a T4 before upgrading it to gold

[tall torrent]

Not sure

[torpid sundial]

hrm

[abstract moth]

I don't think so, I just go from profane to gold

[muted knot]

Just make sure your gun doesn't have surgical already

[torpid sundial]

yep

[abstract moth]

Just haul a lot lot lot lot lot lot

[torpid sundial]

gonna be a huge grind

[strange sparrow]

If Collecting Blessing is more organic, it would be fun

But currently collection isn't that organic

and Per mission ratio is 1:1.5

[strange sparrow]

It is slightly alright to left it at T2

[tall torrent]

I just get them over time

[muted knot]

And obviously check Melk everyday

[strange sparrow]

Because T3->T4 is like 600+ plasteel

[abstract moth]

Yes but have fun if you dont just stop or play for fun, for example I play for fun not the sole purpose of being a mats thief if I get bored I change game. You know so you wont have in my oh here we go again farming mats. That is if you don't mind grinding stuff that is

[strange sparrow]

If you want to make your money worth, Change the Blessing to something you don't want

so You don't get to roll the upgraded garbage that you dont want

[torpid sundial]

I have tons of builds that I dont mind playing still, and I haven't gotten bored of helbore 3 yet so there's that

[abstract moth]

I like all helbores

[strange sparrow]

So for example, You already have Onslaught 3 and want to get Onslaught 4
But you do not want to get Surgical 3/4 (You already have Surgical 2)
You rolled No Respite on T2 weapon, You could proceed to remain it as No Respite or Change it to Surgical, to max out probability to get Onslaught

[untold mulch]

I did this mroning a Bolter build, but even in the Psykanium the pull out and reload was so painful

Gotta wait for a lighter variant probably

[abstract moth]

I WANT DUAL WIELD STORM BOLTERS

When gotta reload gotta say to teammates, hey hold up gotta put these down a sec

[finite imp]

i spend the entire match pulling off insane shots with the revolver, killing multiple elites at once, nothing
Ogryn throws his big bomb, the crowd goes insane

lmao

[abstract moth]

I mean my fps always go insane with big booma

[untold mulch]

😔

[muted knot]

I'd love the Hellbore 3 if it wouldn't ghost my inputs sometimes

[abstract moth]

Yeah it is a bit annoying

[torpid sundial]

what do you mean by ghost

[abstract moth]

Not responding inputs

[atomic sapphire]

Definitely the blessing.

[slender turtle]

Not explosive. "Dude must be feeding his ego"

Explosive feed. "Ogryns doing the emperors work"

[untold mulch]

[torpid sundial]

I stopped having that problem after turning off the full auto mod

[untold mulch]

Is a pain

[finite imp]

maybe if i had explosive bullets

[untold mulch]

[torpid sundial]

Also idk if I'm dumb but is there a better way to cancel the helbore charge other than swapping weapons

[slender turtle]

bullets explode but no penetration

[finite imp]

amazing for crowd clear tho

i hope they buff the fanning revolver next patch that thing is pathetic

[slender turtle]

What do you mean. A couple of well placed shots clears the crowd

[atomic sapphire]

I don't see a use on Vet with the fanning revolver, so full agreement on that.

[slender turtle]

Become a trick shooter

[abstract moth]

They could do those penetrating and exploding bullets, the explosion is delayed a bit after hitting the flesh

[atomic sapphire]

Not using that garbage on Maelstrom.

[finite imp]

i just said it would be good for crowd contol wat

did you have a stroke

[finite imp]

?

[slender turtle]

The normal revolver

[finite imp]

oh that thing is my baby

[slender turtle]

About to say

[finite imp]

Her name is Starseeker

[abstract moth]

Melee attack?

[torpid sundial]

...shit lol

I've been clicking 1 2 for the past like 20 games

[spice wadi]

U can also just press qq

[muted knot]

Kinda cringe to press any other button to swap weapons

[abstract moth]

What annoys me a bit is the friggin starting animation, I mean they're cool and all but the heretics won't give me any praise points for flexing the gun

[swift narwhal]

How about you Just dont unequip it

[atomic sapphire]

How to absolutely anger anyone. Tell em you use a numpad on your mouse to switch weapons.

[finite imp]

i do this with my gunkata always prepared build

qm1q

[spice wadi]

Cocaine man

[slender turtle]

I just use the scroll wheel

[spice wadi]

Hello

[finite imp]

am i joke

am i a clown

[untold mulch]

I eliminated the wheel weapon shift

was getting me to swap weapoin when I panic tagged

[finite imp]

am i funny do i make you fuckin laugh

[spice wadi]

With concern

[slender turtle]

Panic tag?

[abstract moth]

I mean are you saying you'll be there when I gotta reload my bolter?

[finite imp]

do you guffaw

are you chortling at me

[atomic sapphire]

Panic Tag...?

[spice wadi]

A small giggle

[finite imp]

its like regualr tag but you're off your meds

[untold mulch]

When I wanted to tag something that I absolutely could not deal with in that second

or through some kind of low visibility

Basically spamming it

[slender turtle]

A small laugh

[finite imp]

the gentlest giggle

[atomic sapphire]

Ah yeah, that made it more clear as a hellstorm winter.

[finite imp]

the slightest exhalation through thine nose?

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-gif-4147702939019082819

[swift narwhal]

For Sure!

[atomic sapphire]

Ah, the reason I run mods to remove the tagging noise.

[slender turtle]

I just make the assumption everyone can see the crusher crushing my hopes and dreams in locking onto me even after I dodged

[spice wadi]

Watch the comical creature type KNIFE

[untold mulch]

I don't

PUGs are idiots

[abstract moth]

That works then!

[finite imp]

im an adrenaline junkie i don't touch the powder. All I want to do is run down corridors at people with a knife screaming and this game scratches that itch

[untold mulch]

Tbf, is when shit is out of control

[spice wadi]

Is the adrenaline white and powder like

[untold mulch]

I got a crusher on my back and I have a lasgun, HELP HERE

[atomic sapphire]

When it's outta control, I just accept my fate in pubs.

[slender turtle]

A lot of the time. I play to solo a game where everyone just dies cause they can't handle a horde

[atomic sapphire]

I either win or die.

[finite imp]

Speaking of which does anyone know what model shoes Patrick Batemen is wearing when he chases that hooker down a hallways with a chainsaw naked?

[untold mulch]

I try to hold on until Infiltrate cd recovers

Then is not my problem for 6 secs

[finite imp]

he looks like he was able to get a lot of speed holding a chainsaw

[slender turtle]

Wasn't it 8 seconds?

[untold mulch]

I swear the ones who can't handle a horde are a

[finite imp]

i've googled and googled and cannot for the life of me find out

[untold mulch]

I am not sure? Could be

[spice wadi]

Patrick Bateman feet

[untold mulch]

I rarely run the entire time because I end up attacking something

[slender turtle]

It's a long while

[untold mulch]

+10 secs -90% threat

[slender turtle]

Yeah or

[untold mulch]

means that if in correct place, with Infiltrate

[finite imp]

This is the best shot I can find of them

[untold mulch]

I can get 10+ seconds of free shooting on the enemy

[finite imp]

They look like Nike

[untold mulch]

God I don't like the judge on platform

[finite imp]

the problem is if so the swoosh is the same matt white as the shoe body

[untold mulch]

but when a player is absolute dogshit

the globe isn't far behind

[finite imp]

is that gamepass players?

[untold mulch]

Not sure, I only know I fear it

[atomic sapphire]

It happens, and I'm not gonna haze on people on what platform they played on if we fail a run.

I just move on.

And forget about it.

[untold mulch]

My only complaint with crossplayers is

[muted knot]

Have you tried reverse image search

[untold mulch]

YOu can't survive in MALICE playing like this

WHY ARE YOU HERE

[slender turtle]

When you've had to backpack several xbox games, you will feel the same way

[finite imp]

To hate someone is to deal them a serving of respect as well. The true fuck you is indifference.

[muted knot]

My problem isn't with a specific platform

[slender turtle]

21 deaths, 45 mins of pain

[muted knot]

My problem is with dogshit players

[finite imp]

And comparison is the theif of joy

We were all new once

[untold mulch]

I had to already

But I still hope they are not shit

[untold mulch]

Exactly

[slender turtle]

I've met a good xbox player once. Then I learned they are using MnK

[untold mulch]

I was new

And I stayed in T3 until I was good enough for T4 ain't hard

[abstract moth]

@strange sparrow what was that tactic you said to get blessing differently and not always the same ones?

[finite imp]

BUT IF YOU PICK UP A BACKPACK IN THE WHITE WHILE SOMEONE IS IN THE RED I SWEAR TO GOD IM GOING TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE ABSTRACT ART WHEN IM DONE WITH YOU

[atomic sapphire]

You know it takes a while for some people to understand mechanics. Took me about a year to become decent. I'm not the best at the game, but I'm decent.

[finite imp]

I WILL REACH DOWN YOUR THROAT AND PULL UNTIL YOUR INSIDE OUT

[strange sparrow]

Blessing couldn't repeat so always remove the blessing from your T2 weapon that you're rolling for

[untold mulch]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD.....

[strange sparrow]

Put some shit blessing on it so it can't roll higher tier

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[untold mulch]

Throne...

[slate sleet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036754627716194437/1194687708069634058/eat_this_image.gif?ex=65b142a1&is=659ecda1&hm=8dfcbc46a7db5eabdfcec4a46edb0eb0db4b41b6d9f628e508f75f2b1b9e034e&

[untold mulch]

I totally meant golden throne

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-5752975

[strange sparrow]

Can't have repeating shit blessing on the same gun

so your odds get better

[finite imp]

imagine if we could double a single blessing

[muted knot]

So I have a higher chance of t4 if my other blessing is T1 ?

[slender turtle]

That's fine and all but if all I see is you using smite only psyker on a histg. I will want to vote kick you cause a bot will contribute more

[finite imp]

knife with TWO uncanny strikes

[strange sparrow]

More like you don't want to roll this specific T4 garbage

[atomic sapphire]

That's called being toxic, Nights.

[muted knot]

Gotcha

[finite imp]

smite is the lightning hand righht?

[abstract moth]

Wdym? How do I remove them? Wont the weapon be gone?

[muted knot]

It's called not wanting to waste 30 minutes with a man down but you do you

[atomic sapphire]

Let them learn themselves, if ya force the idea that's it's bad towards them. They'll keep using it.

[strange sparrow]

Just ask Hadron to replace your blessings

[muted knot]

Wait lighting hand fucks

[finite imp]

yeah i love those wizards

[muted knot]

Wdym

[strange sparrow]

For example, I got a Psword with Pcycler 3 on it already, but Im gambling for 4

I would change it to something I don't need

[abstract moth]

Ah okay I get it now thanks!

[slender turtle]

They don't. I don't want most of my time being wasted for a loss

[atomic sapphire]

Uhhh...you've been in the same games in a row with that Psyker?

That why you vote kick em?

[strange sparrow]

I believe at some point someone said that gambling with T1 Blessing increase the odds of T4 Blessing on last roll

I do not have data set for this so I wouldn't be able to verify it

because any data set should be 50-80+, and man

[atomic sapphire]

What's a valid reason for that other than maybe them trolling or hitting barrels to kill other players?

[strange sparrow]

20 psword = 32k plasteel

you must be a lunatic to test that out

[abstract moth]

I'm trying to get sunder but my f I ain't seen it even once

[atomic sapphire]

Cause if you get annoyed by a play style. You have a weak mindset.

[strange sparrow]

I am really annoyed by overwhelming playstyle like Plasma Psword right now

I am certainly weak in term of mindset because I don't get to play the game

so is other 2 dude because Plasma cleave everyone

[atomic sapphire]

Yikes, it's almost as if the key word is that it's a GAME.

[slender turtle]

I think you misconstrued being an asshole to knowing someone is in the wrong kind of game. I've been in games someone gets kicked for no reason, and then I've kicked players who contribute more to my penance being rescued

[abstract moth]

Got 12 gold psword6 someone want one?

Maybe exchange one to me with sunder?

[strange sparrow]

Yikes, My playstyle is so overwhelming that my teammate doesn't get to play the game or get punished actively

But that's just toxic for calling it out

welp gg, alt+f4

[finite imp]

A weak mind period

[atomic sapphire]

Most of the time I forget about the bad games, too. Just don't care that much. Don't understand why folks are just so whiney about things that really won't matter the next matches you play.

"Oh my god, Smite Psykers are ruining my experience. Waaah waaaah!"

[strange sparrow]

Im not gonna reply that, so yeah
gg + Alt+F4

[muted knot]

Oh would you look at that

[abstract moth]

Hey to each their own opinions is all good but leaving your team by leaving is not very nice

[muted knot]

Pointless arguing in vet chat

[strange sparrow]

There is no argument because it's everyone's opinion

I don't really care to elaborate further

[atomic sapphire]

Just leave if you're mad, or just I dunno do something that doesn't make you mad?

[muted knot]

Couldn't have seen it coming

[finite imp]

What do you think an argument is?

lol

[strange sparrow]

actively going for each other throat

[finite imp]

nobody is going to argue solid facts

[strange sparrow]

[atomic sapphire]

Is this an arguement?

[muted knot]

[strange sparrow]

Argument doesnt need to be factual in a lot of case too

[atomic sapphire]

Could we make an arguement on whether or not this is an arguement?

[untold mulch]

We didn't had enough a few hours ago

[strange sparrow]

could just be blantant dumb

[finite imp]

Do you feel as though your throat is being gone for people disagreeing with you?

[slender turtle]

Apperantly it is.

[atomic sapphire]

I don't think it is.

[muted knot]

Never enough

[finite imp]

an argument doesnt always mean anger or malice

[abstract moth]

Indeed

[finite imp]

if you feel that way it's called being defensive

[strange sparrow]

My response to current topic

[finite imp]

im just saying you seem like the only one upset over this discussion when there's no need to be

[untold mulch]

At least better than the previous one, where the lack of selfawareness was almost hurting

[finite imp]

i want a nap

[strange sparrow]

You do you man, I already said I won't be elaborating lmao

[abstract moth]

Yes no need to be upset you're very helpful in saying helpful stuff

[strange sparrow]

it's fair that you think that way

[finite imp]

ok

[atomic sapphire]

Anyways, whether or not this was an argument. I don't think it's that big of a deal when you run into certain players. If your experience is somehow getting ruined by a playstyle. Don't kick or haze the player. Let em learn what stuff is good on their own, and they'll become better players and stay in the community.

You wanna keep good players don't ya? Not bad ones that are too stubborn to switch from being bad

Think fellas.

[slender turtle]

Sometimes though, it's a clear performance issue. They can learn but how will they learn if they are dead majority of the time?

[atomic sapphire]

Don't bother with it then? Just let em learn.

[abstract moth]

I mean I don't really care, I'm always there trying to help in anycase, that's why I want healer class

[atomic sapphire]

Simple as can get.

[abstract moth]

I don't think people are having fun if they keep getting downed or killed tho

[atomic sapphire]

Or just do private games on the discord.

It's easy fellas.

[hollow hawk]

Which devils claw sword is the best for horde clear?

[strange sparrow]

You could try Devil Claw 4

[abstract moth]

4 imo

[finite imp]

Don't tell these people to get friends lmao

[slender turtle]

That's just perpetuating the issue. I offer advice if they ask but if not, then either we clutch the game or it's just another L

[strange sparrow]

It have both wide swing attack

[hollow hawk]

Gotcha ty ty

[atomic sapphire]

Righto.

[finite imp]

of all the things you've said that was the most futile

[strange sparrow]

@hollow hawk Before you go, you would find the light attack extremely underwhelming

Try to go for 1L1H

[finite imp]

9999999L

[strange sparrow]

Heavy attack is your biggest way to kill horde, while Light attack generally stagger them

[atomic sapphire]

In a way, some people have egos that are just too big and might take your advice as some form of hazing.

It happens.

[alpine nexus]

Now listen, i paid for an argument.

[slender turtle]

Oh. My. God. You have no idea

[atomic sapphire]

Wish I didn't have an idea.

It's why I don't bother.

[slender turtle]

Low levels games ARE INSANE

[jolly hemlock]

i tried many times to help players but mostly its beyond their skill level or understanding

[strange sparrow]

It doesn't matter

in the end, they are having fun anyways

[hollow hawk]

Ty ty :)

[jolly hemlock]

that said alone to learn to proper dodge would raise their skill level by alot

[finite imp]

You have to trick the monkey into learning. Monkey is stubborn, and any advice is an attack against them

[atomic sapphire]

Just let em do their own thing. Less stuff for you to worry about, cause in honesty. It's your worry should be nil on bad players. Period.

[strange sparrow]

I have my own opinion that LowLevel player shouldn't be playing Mael Auric

Because they would be overwhelmed and just get fucked in general

[abstract moth]

I mean try n try n try again until they get it if you care, that what I'd do

[atomic sapphire]

Simple as that.

[strange sparrow]

being a deadweight also harden the game a lot

[torpid sundial]

As long as they're level 30 I don't really mind

[strange sparrow]

They would die enough to realize that the game is hard and it's not fun to stay dead

[atomic sapphire]

I thrive in those situations.

[torpid sundial]

Not every game needs to be extremely smooth sailing and easy

[abstract moth]

That the main thing

[strange sparrow]

I had heard a +2 overlevel complain how 6 poxburster spawn was bullshit

for 3 minutes before we rescued him

it is what it is

[atomic sapphire]

Mission Director is like that these days.

[slender turtle]

Everytime

[finite imp]

i love when a poxburster hits me at low HP and i just disappear

[torpid sundial]

6 spawns of anything I dont care

[untold mulch]

Is fine

No sound cues

[torpid sundial]

one silent pox burster though

[atomic sapphire]

They'll learn about spawn points and queues overtime.

[torpid sundial]

that is >:(

[atomic sapphire]

Like I said, took me a year.

[untold mulch]

I love when a PoxBursters uses the warp to appear from thin air

Some Tzeentch shit

[torpid sundial]

Yesterday a silent poxburster exploded me into the abyss down to my death

[abstract moth]

I like splatting pox bursters is so nice specially when you're an ogryn and you can punch them, might work with slap too, haven't tried

[severe pecan]

Anyone know if this laspistol has an ADS blessing

[slender turtle]

Poxbursters are a minor nuisance. Barrels that send me off, are a blast

[slender turtle]

What do you mean, an ADS blessing?

[strange sparrow]

Such is life

[atomic sapphire]

Seen too many fall to the Beast of Nurgle pop on Hab Dreyko....

[strange sparrow]

Silent PoxBurster

Silent Melee Cue

[severe pecan]

Like more damage While aiming down sight

[strange sparrow]

Silent whatever

Such is life

[severe pecan]

The bolter has one

[strange sparrow]

You play some win and you play some loss

[abstract moth]

I saw zealots making themselves blast away by barrels to lower their health. It was so fun to watch and I help them too

[untold mulch]

Depedning on how trustworthy the Spider Sense mod is

They are so bugged even a mod that looks at code doesn't detect

or they are legit spawning from corners

[atomic sapphire]

Recently played Zealot, and I just find it easier to use the red ones.

[severe pecan]

Like that

[atomic sapphire]

Red barrels just cut down the time it takes for the Martyr stuff.

[slender turtle]

No, laspistol doesnt

[gray finch]

ghost my beloved

[nimble sentinel]

spider sense is the one that gives visual circles for audio queues right? I'm still recovering from an ear infection I might need it to play

[untold mulch]

yes

[slender turtle]

At least not off the top of my head. I'm not in front of my computer

[atomic sapphire]

Ghost. Very nice.

[abstract moth]

I legitimately think they were having fun getting blown away

[atomic sapphire]

Oh.

Makes sense.

[slender turtle]

It works for me. Mostly a user issue if I'm paying attention

[strange sparrow]

Pain

[midnight totem]

Lmao

The Las beam just doing a "nope"

[terse idol]

Perfect use of ghost fr

[junior needle]

6d: 16.67 rps
2: 11.11 rps
7a: 7.69 (nice) rps
Ciag: 13.33 rps

Faster than most of the recons but not the 6d, which probably has the fastest fire rate in the game.

[midnight totem]

Ghost is definitely a fun, strong perk

[strange sparrow]

Thank you

[midnight totem]

Does it render one invul to sniper and flamer shots too?

[hollow ibex]

Speaking of recon las, why do all the recon las players I see mag dump into hordes

[strange sparrow]

Because it have no recoil

work surprisingly ok if you dump mag for weakspot

[hollow ibex]

It’s like monke takes over when people pick up recon las

[terse idol]

It's also ammo efficient vs hordes

[torpid sundial]

There's a bit of cleave on the VIIa and its very satisfying

[terse idol]

Takes like at most 2 bullets per pox walker

[hollow ibex]

Recon las ammo efficient? 🤔

[terse idol]

No

[junior needle]

The experienced players who actually care about performance know that the guns are big shit.

[terse idol]

Lmao

I thought you meant ciag

Woops my brain

[strange sparrow]

Thing is, ReconLas currently have no recoil which mean mag dumping

[slate sleet]

its fun to full auto into zombies

[hollow ibex]

OK was confusion for a moment there lol

[strange sparrow]

else what are you gonna do

Shoot that mutant?

which you have 13 seconds TTK ?

[terse idol]

The recon has like collateral too so it kiiinnda makes sense to mag dump into hordes

[strange sparrow]

Maybe that Flak which you do slightly better 10% against CIAG

[junior needle]

Collateral only affects stagger and suppression (it barely has either)

[abstract moth]

Noice! Got finally al the t4 blessings for the psword.@strange sparrow thanks to your tactic the first time I got sunder is t4

[junior needle]

Melee units can't be suppressed either (except for groaners, barely)

[strange sparrow]

Im glad it help, because I gambled for 20 psword

[junior needle]

Even on guns with good natural penetration, you don't want to use them to clear melee chaffe so you can avoid using your melee weapon

[strange sparrow]

I am in a mental state that I do not think anyone could compare

[terse idol]

O

[abstract moth]

I currently have 16 gold psword6 but have others profane left, luckily I don't need em anymore

[untold mulch]

I am 99% sure that a few times it hasn't

Like there is nothing on the screen and BAM, surprise poxbuster

[strange sparrow]

The problem with poxburster spam is

Usually one failed = instant dead

Probably the most cruel enemy in auric Mael rn

[terse idol]

Oh ywah pox burster maelstrom huuurt

[untold mulch]

Audio cues bugged
Rarely the push will do nothing

You need to pray

[junior needle]

Has 2.9x the weakspot damage per shot with nearly as much ammo in your path

[untold mulch]

that your team is not a moron

[strange sparrow]

SHHGG

We know CIAG do be cooking

[untold mulch]

CIAG are too good

and Recon is too shit

[thick wolf]

Pubs when dealing with poxbursters

[strange sparrow]

The most dangerous thing about poxburster spam is also not realising it was a chain of poxburster

Which the AI director spawn together in a Congo line

[untold mulch]

oof

[strange sparrow]

You pre-emptively pushed the first one and second one just

[untold mulch]

those are a pain

[strange sparrow]

Jump into you

[torpid sundial]

the good thing about it is that if one dies all of them die together

[strange sparrow]

Then set off a chain of explosion

Which eat 70% of your health

[untold mulch]

the bad thing is that if you miss, you all die

[torpid sundial]

:^)

[patent swift]

Just shoot them and kill your teammate

[tiny summit]

Yea. Does fatshark even look at their own numbers?

[strange sparrow]

Look good to me

I do not know what’s the problem here

Tbh, recon will always stay shit with their recoil-less characteristic

[untold mulch]

They took 2 months to fix a - in a talent

they don't

[junior needle]

Considering how many guns were left in the dumpster before they finished the console version, nope.

[untold mulch]

"Pinky promise, we ain't abandoning the game for the console port" -

TIme skip

[wary galleon]

what kind of guns were that?

[strange sparrow]

Console players do be eating shit for not having all the mods though….

[wary galleon]

fr

mods saved the game for me

[strange sparrow]

The fact that Mods make me play this game so much more

Because how much possibility it open

Hellbore for example, I hate its iron

[untold mulch]

Mods fix a lot of issues

[strange sparrow]

But I love it’s wacky mechanics of charging shots

[junior needle]

Off the top of my head: columnus and graia brauto, ciag and graia autoguns (ciag at least got something even if it was still inferior to agri), not k12 infantry lasguns, plasma was left dogshit for like 6 months from release, agri HH (still pretty bad), claws used to be quite bad, chainaxe,

recon lasguns of course

[serene orbit]

Yeah.. I recall so many weapons just being trash

[wary galleon]

hmm you are saying its still bad?

or that it was just halted until

[junior needle]

Those were weapons that all eventually got substantial buffs recently but were left in an undesirable state for nearly a year while obesefish made the console port and largely ignored the game.

[wary galleon]

ah i get you

i love the bag now

when i play vet i pretty much 80% of the time use braced

[untold mulch]

I reached the point of wanting to branch out to more weapons because autoguns were boring me

but I need to play for plasteel, but I don't want to play with these weapons anymore

And I don't want to touch the 20k plasteel minimum stash for the hopes of Hellgun

[torpid sundial]

I have almost every gun built for vet to a decent degree besides all the autoguns and I did enjoy every playstyle of each of them

same with psyker and ogryn so far

I'll probably stop playing after trying out everything I wanted to try

LMB spam psyker was the most interesting build I've played the past week

[final crystal]

Anyone have a good build for infantry lasgun? No looking for meta stuff just a decent build to chase Penances with.

[spring spindle]

I love the singular roll of duct tape on this armor

[sage cedar]

BRICKED

[untold mulch]

oof

[fathom rose]

here it lies: the root of techno-heresy

[muted knot]

Oh thank god

We haven't had a pointless recon discussion in a few hours

[sterile wadi]

Man those recon lasguns just don't cut it

[untold mulch]

[sterile wadi]

Statistically their thingamajig just don't compete with the doomahicky

Don't get me started on their floppawoppa stat

[spark helm]

You're going for the volley fire one right?

[unreal bone]

pain

I got 11k melk materials

he never has anything fucking worth a rats ass

[final crystal]

@spark helm no, I was looking more for my old Kantrael MG XII. Standard Las I've been using since beta

[spark helm]

Mhm. You just want a build to play with.

[final crystal]

Yeah, a few old penances that I know I can finish off with it.

I've been main ogryn for so long I just jumped back into vet.

[dusty sluice]

thrust to heataker and crit to flak? (i use the two power blessings on zealot)

[spark helm]

I can just dump two. One will focus slightly more on combat utility extension and generation of toughness and coherency. The other is a little more selfish and depends slightly more on your ability to bounce between targets efficiently through chaotic shit I guess. Both will be running executioners stance. One will take focus target, the other eh...sure fuck it marksman focus.

What's your 12 got on it in the first place?

[tall torrent]

Works

Headtaker + slaughterer makes Chainaxe horde clear bearable

[final crystal]

@spark helm cool. I'll set it up and try it out, greatly appreciated.

[spark helm]

Main takeaways more than anything else are the points dumped into executioner stance's modifiers and the prioritizing the combat utility of the bottom tier of the middle tree. In short, properly clapping up enemies that are already highly vulnerable to 1-3 (3 shot if your setup is a little lacking for dmg) guarantees toughness, high chances of grenades, spreading toughness since the talent born leader works now and then giving yourself safety with toughness dmg reduction as long as you're at a certain level.

You can also rearrange the ogryn/monstrosity talent towards the bottom for the rending on all weps imo. I don't care for competitive spirit unless I'm just really trying to interact with high horde clear builds.

Take a melee weapon that can also more immediately address carapace and monstrosity threats (as in okay enough dmg). Hence the krak grenade.

[dusty sluice]

chaxe doesn't need any talents for vet right?

[spark helm]

You can also just scrap executioner's stance for voice of cmmand if you don't like not having it i guess.

[strange sparrow]

I would advise to take VoC over Exec Stances due to lack of good toughness regen in this build actually

[slim barn]

how's this for a vet build, running plasma and mk3 powersword

[tall torrent]

I don’t remember any specifics u have to take, but it’s never a bad choice to build for some melee talents

[spark helm]

It's not making use of it because you're not scared to get into a pit.

[strange sparrow]

A lot of point was dump into FT to maximise damage

[spark helm]

That's the only reason.

[dusty sluice]

if only vet got a few more talent points

D:

[spark helm]

The focus of the build is the lasgun play with flexing into your melee and grenades for harder threats.

[strange sparrow]

I do agree

[spark helm]

and then pumping your utility through killing any and all shooter targets, regardless of enemy spread.

[dusty sluice]

one moreeee

[cerulean void]

exe.stance needs to be buffed if it's not gonna give a toughness regen like VoC and Infiltrate

[spark helm]

Defensively, you're lacking comparatively to not having voc in the same way that getting into a gunfight without a vest is dangerous. Build is assuming that your overall defensive judgment can keep up with most scenarios going south. In my case, that's just coasting on strong melee options, my own defense as a player and a lot of moving around. Can still ping, pot shot, etc. Sweaty play is encouraged.

idk, I don't think everyone needs to be as obsessed with toughness gen as they are sometimes.

There's shit like zero toughness gen and stuff that's passable with execution from the player. I'm not too worried about going down so my priorities changed since vt2. but that's a different system anyway.

I think more people should learn to play without voc if they want to.

[tiny summit]

Nah more dmg and duration and something else. You can get your toughness off the heads you click

[spark helm]

precisely this

[strange sparrow]

His build doesn’t include headshot popping thou

Only Elite here

[spark helm]

The person that asked is using an infantry lasgun

[idle swallow]

If you're confident on clicking heads getting the toughness regen talents on elite/headshot kills will carry you decently

[spark helm]

this build almost exclusively uses that class of weapon.

And this is a build I frequently rotate through just because it's something that I've loved since debut of the game.

OIne of the few times I don't change anything about what I got

[tiny summit]

If you're popping Exe you're likely popping elites and specials with some riflemen in between

[cerulean void]

I personally haven't had much success with a ILG and exe.stance, I'll take a build recc too

[strange sparrow]

Tbh I would say it’s an alright build, considering this is similar to what I use for Hellbore

[spark helm]

The one I posted is the risky ish version of that.

A more sfe one that I'd personally get bored of but wouldn't mind using is like.

[strange sparrow]

I just find recommending people Exec Stances would often find myself in a situation 2 hours later that this is bad

[spark helm]

Focusing the same variation but switching to voc

[strange sparrow]

I prefer VoC

[tiny summit]

My takes with Focus target and MF with Infantry Las

[strange sparrow]

The sin of our father, highlight for team

[spark helm]

The main thing with exestance ilg is that you're not really doing naything particularly unique aside from one thing: prioviding yourself with information.

[tiny summit]

Actually thant rending is probably a mistake. Probably better for monstronsity

[umbral scaffold]

Exec stance could use getting the toughness regen back, even if as a modifier

[tiny summit]

I really don't understand why. It should probably just do its job better

[strange sparrow]

It’s ok to take Rending on iLas because inverse damage falloff

I often find the mechanic stupid

[untold mulch]

Should be for slow firing weapons

like slow slow

[cerulean void]

yeah that's... probably why I don't find it particularly useful?

[tiny summit]

If you're using exe you're likely shooting heads. If you're using exe you're likely shooting elites/specials. If you're using exe I would hope you have positioning sense to have Catch A Breath active

[spark helm]

That information coupled with execution (hehe) for weakspot hits, is the strength of exestance. You can play with stuff like the columnus and other precision weapons but with the build I brought up, the main concept is that you're jumping between or just rifling down squads of shooters. You don't even need to be hyper precise.

Thast's the main meat of it.

Just giving yourself more opportunities to create weakspot kills. You get a kill, you keep a duration, you have a large ammo pool, easy to use weapon, etc, etc.

[strange sparrow]

And tbh, ILas need FT bandaid and Krak as reserve, which I pretty much agree

[spark helm]

I've gone nearly half a run multiple times fully in exe stance

since I'm just cycling my shit, cd or not

[strange sparrow]

But exec stance right now, I just have problem recommending people except the wall hack highlight

[spark helm]

handing out grenades like candy and constantly topping off people

My main thing is this: if you're dependent on voc for your defense, you're not going to be able to see anything else but voc.

[tiny summit]

I don't. Your job is to remove all the ranged dmg to the team and seeing the nasties ahead of time.

[spark helm]

Everything else will become irrelevant regardless.

And like legate said.

[tiny summit]

VoC makes people too lax with ignorant play

[spark helm]

The purpose of that build is focusing very heavily on ranged units and getting rewarded with it.

you don't need to always be killing the major shit every two seconds since thee's almost always something with a gun that you can 1-3 tap.

[strange sparrow]

Yeah, I think that pretty much how Exec Stance is functioning great on, providing a lot of information to shooter to remove ranged enemy and special ahead of time

[cerulean void]

my problem is that I want to like exe.stance

but any time I use it, it doesn't provide the utility I can get from VoC or Infiltrate. The wallhacks don't really tell me much cause I can pick out enemy sound queues and visuals cause Cata VT2 trained my ass to do that

and I can just get similar bonuses by taking those few modifiers

[strange sparrow]

I mean it’s true that a lot of player don’t need to play the game with VoC like Kerykeion said

[spark helm]

I don't mind that, I'm just looking for silouhettes during gunfights. My spatial awareness is just fine most days in darktide.

[strange sparrow]

It’s just stupidly strong and get out of jail free ability

[cerulean void]

kinda why I end up not using it, y'know?

[spark helm]

I just like to cover people that can't conceptualize killing shooters. It's the actual inspiration for the build since the og launch.

[final crystal]

@spark helm I appreciate the information, it'll help when I play. Thank you.

[strange sparrow]

Yea that’s pretty much what I’m stating now, it’s really just overshadowing the other 2 abilities

[spark helm]

I ran into too many groups that never did much to address shooters. Turns out, you can profit a lot from shooting shooters as a build concept

And this is a build running kraks and psword/whatever that folding shovel is/a stable (not great) chainsword.

[strange sparrow]

And that’s because piss toughness are also extremely strong

[strange sparrow]

Hmm I have a build that do that too

And exec stances help a lot by providing information

[muted knot]

I kinda want to use exec stance on my hellbore but it just feels like it's a waste

[tiny summit]

I like Exe because I get to see all elites/specials and ranged units clearly to take them out. Riflemen dead? Less dmg coming at my team. Extra ranged dmg? Maybe I get away with body shots clearing what I need over exclusively needing headshot. Exe should do its job better with like more dmg and/or longer base duration. Also 2 extra points to make it feel like a complete skill sucks in comparison to VoC.

[strange sparrow]

It have a general slower pace compared to other build I have atm

[spark helm]

Plus, I just like how the la lasgun feels.

[cerulean void]

I think I also have a problem swapping away from smokes

I've gotten used to their jank, help

[spark helm]

good

revel in it

[strange sparrow]

Yeah…I also find that Exec Stance have problem using too much talent point

And talent access is less useful compared to VoC right now (Grenade replenishment)

Which suck extra for me

[spark helm]

yeah, that's a major issue but for it's worth it enough.

[tiny summit]

At least naked infiltrate will always do its job of repositioning. Naked exe is just for revolver and bolter mag dumping

[spark helm]

before i deleted my vet, aurics weren't bad at all with the old tax.

[cerulean void]

I really hope they do another pass on the vet tree, make branching into different ones cheaper and decentralize some high priority talents from middle tree

[serene sage]

my hot take: slug shotty and revolver are the best guns to use with exec stance

[spark helm]

They feel good as hell.

[serene sage]

I hope not 💀

[strange sparrow]

Like it’s an automatically 2 point dump on exec stance no matter how hard you prefer your build

[untold mulch]

Can we get a third rework?

[strange sparrow]

Refresh and highlight ranged

[serene sage]

I don't dip into middle that much if im not going VoC tbh

[tiny summit]

I main exe so much I just do like demo team as my main grenade regen for non-VoC loadouts

[strange sparrow]

[serene sage]

I think Tac Awareness and Iron Will are too expensive for Exec Stance

you don't need them

[strange sparrow]

Yea pretty much same with me

[serene sage]

that's 4 talents down the drain

[spark helm]

which one is tac awareness again?

[tiny summit]

Also fuck ogryns vs ALL riflemen as a choice.

[strange sparrow]

Pathing 2 point for Grenade Regeneration suck imo

[serene sage]

-6s on spec kills

[strange sparrow]

But man VoC be like

[spark helm]

Oh eh, for that build that I posted it make a lot of use of it.

[strange sparrow]

I get that for free

[spark helm]

I'm either extending my exestance and/orrefreshing it

[muted knot]

I mean iron will is pretty much the only real defense skill we have

[serene sage]

like congratulations, you have 150% uptime on Exec Stance, good job

[strange sparrow]

IronWill is probably the universal best talent we have rn

[muted knot]

Yeah

[tiny summit]

Reject 60s grenades. Embrace the emprah blessing you with grenades for delivering judgement

[spark helm]

it's fine for my infantry las builds. haven't rried it without it but I've gotten a lot done with it so I keep it.

[serene sage]

just run quadruple toughness regen

[unreal bone]

If Melk doesn't have anything good tonight I stg I'm spending all of my currency on random rolls.

raaah

[strange sparrow]

Don’t do it

It’s stupidly stack against you

I tried it before

[unreal bone]

I'm up to 11k so far and nothing to spend it on.

[serene sage]

like taking Exhil Takedown, Out for Blood, CK are better than spending the same amount of points to get Iron Will

[cerulean void]

I cannot overstate how garbage Melk's random rolls are

do NOT do it

[serene sage]

and both Long Shot and Vanguard are good

[tiny summit]

I sit in the open against rooms of gunners and ET, CK and Catch A Breath keeps my toughness topped off against them

[muted knot]

11k ordos? That's like one blue weapon

[cerulean void]

even sitting on 20k+ melkbucks waiting for weapon updates is worlds better than spending those bucks once in his RNG

[muted knot]

Oh

Gotcha

[serene sage]

melk bucks prob

[strange sparrow]

The thing about

Exec stance is value wise it isn’t enough

I hope it get buffed sooner or later

[serene sage]

the damage is fine, it just needs a built in toughness refresh

[muted knot]

It's just classic veteran innit ?