veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

Flak+ whatever is the safe answer

If you're brave you can go flak + maniac with slaughter and pcycler

[sullen merlin]

Slaughterer fine to have?

Okay, good

[placid swan]

@junior needle DClaw works great. Thanks

[terse idol]

Personally recommend Brutal momentum but

[sullen merlin]

Well, got a serviceable sword until i do some farming i guess.

[umbral scaffold]

BM is also good ye

I think I prefer it overall
But slaughterer means you just kill hordes with even less effort

[modest sapphire]

if you do a shove attack followed by a light melee, using brutal momentam, you can kill crushers in the head. Maybe test to see if having the carapace damage is enough to one shot without brutal momentum, freeing you up to use slaughterer or rampage

[wanton dawn]

Are you kidding me rn

[north raptor]

is one of the powersword marks preferred? i just got power cycle 4!

[terse idol]

NO NOOOO

[north raptor]

took several months but still

[junior needle]

6

[terse idol]

You got fire team?

[umbral scaffold]

Newer one / psword 6

Is the "better one"

[wanton dawn]

The only thing that can help right here is onslaugh

[umbral scaffold]

Better attack patterns basically

[modest sapphire]

i like mk 6 which seems to be the most popular but both are great

[wraith locust]

Time to run 5% 😂

[umbral scaffold]

But ye
Any power sword is good

[wanton dawn]

I already have 5%

[wraith locust]

Oh RIP lol

[umbral scaffold]

P6 just is kinda amazing for attack patterns

[north raptor]

im guessing i wont go bad iwth slaughterer alongside it but i dont know the perks... flak/maniac?

[umbral scaffold]

Flak maniac is always good ye

But you can also just go flak carapace if you don't wanna 1v1 maniacs

[sullen merlin]

Ah, so to do the single target thrust you have to hold block and then hold attack button

[umbral scaffold]

Ye it's called a push attack

[north raptor]

thank you!

[umbral scaffold]

After shove if you keep the attack button pressed you do a swing

[sullen merlin]

Im an Ogryn main, i dont have much brain for tactics, i just use shovel and heavy attacks with the big boy xD

[umbral scaffold]

Xd

Some weapons have some additional quirks to push attacks too

[thick wolf]

Spoken like a true ogryn main

[sullen merlin]

Push attacks are a new discovery for me, after like, a year of gameplay.

[umbral scaffold]

Ironhelm has a horizontal push attack
But if you push, wait a second, then charge a swing
It turns into an overhead

Which is
??

It's archaic Vermintide 1/2 stuff

[inland orchid]

No worries pal I barely used them too till I saw a clip of someone push striking with the new powersword

[umbral scaffold]

Sadly don't have the elf sword overhead into stab

[thick wolf]

Is it like Killing Floor 2 melee where the swings depend on which movement key you press

[terse idol]

No

[thick wolf]

Dang

[terse idol]

Its all predetermined based on your combo chain

Which you can manipulate with push attacks, and specials to get to the correct combo you want

[sullen merlin]

Aiming for head is a bit wonky.

with the thurst

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[muted knot]

Wait a minute does the push take a attack away from your charged attack count ?

On PS ?

[terse idol]

Hence why with the dclaw with the holes you Light attack, Heavy attack- repeat to return to horizontals

[umbral scaffold]

Attack patterns are solely just button presses

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[terse idol]

or was it heavy light...

Forgor

[muted knot]

Ahh that's why

[umbral scaffold]

But it's why it's eats crushers and maulers

[hollow ibex]

light-heavy on the good one

[terse idol]

Ty

[muted knot]

Wdym

[terse idol]

Its literally my main dclaw

I keep forgetting

[dry marsh]

Can you get power cycle 3 upgrading green to blue?

[umbral scaffold]

It still counts as the psword charged up

[muted knot]

You can but very unlikely

[terse idol]

Yeah, but I wouldn't

[umbral scaffold]

So that's why the stab overhead does tons of damage

[sullen merlin]

Gonna be honest, unless its an Ogryn, i think it will be more efficient for me to just stab enemy heads with my Hellbore, its more accurate. Will use Power sword for hordes and killing big ogres.

[terse idol]

Its very horribly expensive to do that

[dry marsh]

So what’s the best way to get it, upgrade to gold?

[terse idol]

Unless you got a pretty big surplus you're gonna burn alotta ordos and plasteel

[muted knot]

Nonono I mean if the ouhs itself consumed one of my charge attacks not the pushattack

[umbral scaffold]

Funny enough it also does disgusting amounts of damage too lol

[terse idol]

Check Melk

[sullen merlin]

Its riddiculous lol

[umbral scaffold]

Oh
just the push?
I think for pushing it doesn't

But I'll need to check

[terse idol]

It sucks and you may not see it but that's gonna keep your money well

Worse case yeah green to blue

[dry marsh]

Gotcha

[muted knot]

So with pc 3 I should be able to do push attack+light

[umbral scaffold]

It is why veteran has some 0 effort horde clears

[crude ermine]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

The downside is that your dodge is pretty bad

[crude ermine]

But if you attack THEN push you lose ALL charge stacks

[umbral scaffold]

But most of the time you don't need dodges

[crude ermine]

So you gotta commit to the push

Attacn

[umbral scaffold]

Also incidentally why VoC is so op for psword

[muted knot]

Does it have to be 2 charged stabs to the head to kill crusher on damnation ?

Or can it be Pushstab+light ?

[umbral scaffold]

You can cycle shove, Voice, and power sword hits

[crude ermine]

Sometimes Ruth

Either

Stab overhead light and another light can finish the job

Or just stab and overhead light

Depends on the circumstances of your build

[umbral scaffold]

I just repeat stab overheads over and over myself

Keep it simple

[sullen merlin]

Oh, last question, since i have to get rid of my vet xp curios, whats the reccomended load-out for cruios?

[umbral scaffold]

It's just a bad elf sword

[sonic marlin]

worth maxing or wait for +17 +5

[crude ermine]

Hey, no bad talk about elf they try their best smh

[umbral scaffold]

People usually go 2 toughness + 1 stamina

[crude ermine]

Worth

[terse idol]

That's worth already

Would take

[umbral scaffold]

And then 2 gunner Regen and whatever else you want

Cos I'm cool I go 3 stamina

[crude ermine]

I like to recommend 5 toughness or health and the last can be any

[umbral scaffold]

I wanna push stuff
So by the emperor I will

[crude ermine]

I just go what I've said too many times already

[terse idol]

Yeah, I wouldn't touch the toughness and the other 2 is easy for ya

[sullen merlin]

Thanks Luna

[crude ermine]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Have fun

Honestly playing Veteran with the psword and good rotations

Makes you feel untouchable in most aurics

Extra points if you use plasma gun

[sullen merlin]

Hmmm, if i use the shout ability, do you think Combat ability regen is fine? Or will the effect be too small?

[crude ermine]

Too small

[umbral scaffold]

Effect is too smal

[tall torrent]

1 toughness is not going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things

[crude ermine]

Because you can easily get it back by killing specialist

[umbral scaffold]

But I use it anyway cos I'm a hipster

[crude ermine]

And there's going to be a good amount

Elites too I think

[umbral scaffold]

Number of times it's relevant is like

Maybe once per run

But I'm too lazy to switch it

[terse idol]

I'd go as far as to say pick up a defensive melee option if you take a puhgun

[crude ermine]

Like the devil's claw

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh I use new shovel with it mostly

Cos it's funny

[crude ermine]

Or the shovel

[umbral scaffold]

The bonk

[crude ermine]

I miss my shovel

Bob

[sonic marlin]

is this good

[umbral scaffold]

Also the dodge on shovel is just

chef kiss

[formal rock]

yes

[sonic marlin]

k im broke

time to farm shit

[terse idol]

Oh and yesterday I tried my Born leader, +10% coherence share, Glory hunter, VOC pgun build in auric damn

It uh

I dunno can't tell if it worked

[sonic marlin]

what do you guys like on ur curios

[umbral scaffold]

Downside to using shovel tho is you need to actually sort of pay attention to your melee

😔

[crude ermine]

That'd basically born leader for you

[terse idol]

Also used alot of ammo because no breakpoint on dredge gunner

😭

[crude ermine]

Tsk tsk shame

[sonic marlin]

also can i also make 2 changes to curio perks?

[umbral scaffold]

As long as you don't run out of fine

It's*

[terse idol]

Yeeahh

It got dicy but neat enough

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo is meant to be used

[terse idol]

I just wished there was a stat to tell me how much toughness I made back

Or shared

[tall torrent]

Very

[formal rock]

depends on build. toughness, toughness regen, cooldown reduction are always good

[umbral scaffold]

That 100% ammo bar isn't gonna be useful next game

[sonic marlin]

i was told regen is very shit

[tall torrent]

I’m running a very weird combination rn

2x +12% stamina regen
2x +12% block efficiency
2x +4% cooldown reduction
1x +20% sniper resist
1x +20% gunner resist
1x +15% sprint efficiency

[terse idol]

I wouldn't hit toughness regen personally

[sullen merlin]

Okay, this time ACTUALLY last question, if i shoot a shotgun, even if not all pellets connect, it still counts as full accuracy shot, yes?

[terse idol]

I'm running... not an optimal curio loadout, because bad rolls

[umbral scaffold]

Sprint efficiency chad

[tall torrent]

Yes

[sonic marlin]

yeah i thought about sprint/stamina stuff

[sullen merlin]

Time to cheese then

[thick wolf]

Also I discovered something with the Agrippa shotty, it's alt slug attack can knock a rager to the floor

[crude ermine]

I like to run stamina IF I'm using my Deadshot revolver build

[lyric bridge]

For mid-level ~20 - yes?

[umbral scaffold]

Have fun

[terse idol]

But I got
3x stamina regen
3x gunner res
1x sniper res
And some random perks

[formal rock]

it can be quite good if you go hard for it, but it will depend on both your build and the build of the other teammates. that's why it's not recommended

[umbral scaffold]

Don't forget to not use the ammo aura

[thick wolf]

And even that asshole with the chainsword and carapice helmet

[umbral scaffold]

Or else you'll never get anywhere lol

[sonic marlin]

?

[tall torrent]

I actually can’t notice that big of a difference between double stamina regen and triple stamina regen

[thick wolf]

I must upgrade my Agrippa asap

[terse idol]

Yeah it might already be maxed on 2x

[formal rock]

the reasaon I like toughness regen is because it shortens the delay between taking damage and beginning passive toughness regen, more than the actual speed, but vet has plenty of good toughness regen talents already which doesn't scale with it

[tall torrent]

Going from 1.24 to 1.36 is not that huge of an improvement

[terse idol]

I'm probably dropping 1x gunne res, and 1x stamina regen

[sullen merlin]

BTW, which shotgun is considered best?

[tall torrent]

But getting a more well rounded curio set-up is way better than I thought

[thick wolf]

The one that throws slugs as an alt fire I'm guessing

[tall torrent]

With this set-up, I can slide & sprint travel 25m only using 1 stamina bar (I have +3 stamina and +1 from talent)

[odd sparrow]

for vet i take 3x toughness. Because the value with iron will is just too good.

for perks i take these on every class

3 x toughness regen speed
3 x gunner resist
3 x revive speed

[crude ermine]

Revive speed, why's that?

[thick wolf]

Gunner resist is that important?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[sonic marlin]

theres a revive speed perk?

[sullen merlin]

Yes

[crude ermine]

They show up in a lot of numbers and it'll levitate the damage they'll throw at you

[sullen merlin]

The difference in playing this game with and without gunner resist is night and day.

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[sonic marlin]

how do i farm mats fast

[formal rock]

Revive speed is the difference between a clutch save and two dead rejects. It's not a "win more" build, it's a "don't lose" one.
It also scales even better if you have the Nobody Left Behind talent. Can get up to a 2-second revive IIRC

[tall torrent]

Damnation quick play

[untold mulch]

Almost obligatory imo

T5 is nasty with Gunners

[thick wolf]

Oh right I forgot how much the game loves spamming a battalion of gunners at once

[celest ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[dusty sluice]

what stuff is needed for a rashad build?

(talents)

[sonic marlin]

i haven't done a single damnation mission

[muted knot]

The gritty up buttercup

[crude ermine]

Think of the most meta nodes to pick

And sprinkle some melee vet

[sullen merlin]

My first Hadron shotgun roll

I think she wants me to use it

[terse idol]

Woah taking cool down reduction?

Isn't that only like a 2-3 second difference?

[sharp ember]

+10% melee damage, +30% weakspot damage, you’re chasing the ability to 1 headshot assault bruisers

if you have a lowroll rashad you may need another 5% melee damage

[terse idol]

You'll be able to do that with +unarmoured and BM

[tall torrent]

Again, going from -2.4 to -3.6 is not a huge difference but going from 0 to -2.4 is noticeable

I went for a more well rounded build over one that just does triple everything

[sharp ember]

as long as he hits the BP whatever it takes

[formal rock]

Those few seconds can be extremely important in the higher difficulties.
You can also look at it in a bit of a similar way to breakpoints. In a vacuum, 2-3 seconds does nothing, but over the course of a 30-min round that can add up to multiple extra ability casts.

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[tall torrent]

The 3 I use

[tall torrent]

No, u have to have bloodletter blessing

[wanton dawn]

Still decided to face the chaos ogryn football team. mk3 seemed easier than mk6, probably cuz light spam is stronger.

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[tall torrent]

Serrated blade talent is basically exclusively for knife with mercy killer

And it’s only to enable mercy killer

[wanton dawn]

In fact I might revisit the mk3 psword. Light spam is way more damaging

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[dusty sluice]

this good? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b19ca6a-2b47-4402-bde5-7c8cd553a81e/vet-rashad

[wanton dawn]

Or i am just stupid and always tested mk6 without carapace perk

[tall torrent]

Well what’s the usual hp loss u have in heresy

[sonic marlin]

i die sometimes

[tall torrent]

From what tho

[sonic marlin]

fucking uuhhhh

stuff

[tall torrent]

Can u be a little more specific

[sonic marlin]

idk, hordes, snipers, whatever fucks me up

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[sharp ember]

very nice, picks up all the essential vet talents too. Just double check in the meat grinder if you actually need the melee nodes to 1 headshot bruisers, you probably can use Unarmored instead of Maniac for the bald scab bruisers

[tall torrent]

Uh
If ur not good at melee yet I would not recommend going damnation based on what ur telling me

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[tall torrent]

It really depends on the weapons ur using

[sharp ember]

as to say, idk if you can 1 headshot them without unarmored

[dusty sluice]

well, i need to get a rashad on my vet first lmao

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[tall torrent]

U can, it just takes a lot more melee talents to do

You need like every single +melee dmg talent

[sharp ember]

i see, just more convenient to slap on unarmored and save some points

[thick wolf]

Agra slugs knock a rager to the floor

[tall torrent]

Can u show the build

[sharp ember]

you only need Maniac for dreg ragers and maybe muties anyway

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[sharp ember]

if that makes a mutie breakpoint

[tall torrent]

Mutants die from like 2-3 axe swings

3 if body, 2 on head usually

[sharp ember]

and don’t really need to die super fast if you’re already in melee either

[tall torrent]

Ragers u can get 3 HS kills

On both

Dreg rager needs u to have 15% elite

[sharp ember]

and dreg ragers you could just shoot em

[tall torrent]

The big brain strat is to run Rashad with helbore1/2 and u now have 1 melee for big hordes & carapace, and a second melee exclusively for bullying ragers into oblivion

[dusty sluice]

true

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[sharp ember]

that stab bayonet is so damn good

[crude ermine]

Stab stab stab

[sharp ember]

it even flinchlocks maulers

[crude ermine]

King of Australia

[sharp ember]

mk3 bayonet doesn’t do that

[umbral scaffold]

stab bayonet is really funny

if it had a block attack

[crude ermine]

You'd never want to use your melee

[umbral scaffold]

it would be objectively better than most melee weapons in the game

[crude ermine]

Like there would be no incentive to use melee

[umbral scaffold]

the only downside is that it doesn't ahve horizontal swings

so you'll have weird horde clearing

but it would be really funny

[tall torrent]

Platoon of ragers vs 1 homeless crackhead with a funny poking stick

[crude ermine]

Least it's not the heroine addict

No wait

That's zelaot

Zelot

[dusty sluice]

messing with bolter bc its silly, would this be fine?

[crude ermine]

There we go

[tall torrent]

Homeless crackhead is Cadian cutthroat on stimms

[crude ermine]

Seems like it

[hollow ibex]

i run something like this lol, but i take deadshot

[tall torrent]

U don’t need rending

[hollow ibex]

helps a lot imo

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[dusty sluice]

would should i drop it for?

[hollow ibex]

deadshot

[tall torrent]

I’d drop a lot of stuff for middle tree
Tac awareness & iron will are basically must-take

[dusty sluice]

eh

[tall torrent]

Demo team is nice

[crude ermine]

Doesn't hurt

[dusty sluice]

trueee

[terse idol]

Hmmm I'm not convinced about that imo

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[tall torrent]

You’re using a chainsword, it already doesn’t have the best dps

[terse idol]

I won't bash it on it, because of the well rounded theory, but 2 seconds is too small

[fresh grail]

And once you start going down middle tree you might aswell spend a few more points on focus target and oops, i made a support vet build again

[dusty sluice]

i'm curious, if you were running kinfe how much does vanguard change?

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[tall torrent]

Could go with this

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[tall torrent]

With one +3 stamina and 15% sprint efficiency I can slide & sprint 25m only using 1 bar

[dusty sluice]

the funny

[tall torrent]

Sprint efficiency is very underrated

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[dusty sluice]

what else would be nice?

[tall torrent]

Field improv
Redirect fire

[formal rock]

I get what you mean.
I feel that the %12 difference really becomes noticeable on Auric Maelstrom, especially when combined with Tactical Awareness and (if you're lucky) the Psyker CDR aura and/or maelstrom CDR modifiers. All those can contribute to being able to have a 0s-downtime VoC or 15s-downtime Infiltrate, which is just really fun lol.
I don't think it serves much of a purpose with Executioner's Stance though. You should be building to extend duration via elite/specialist/ogryn/ranged snipes, not reduce cooldown. Even something like reload speed% would be better for that.
Ultimately, I do it because I find it comfy, but I understand why many wouldn't.

[placid swan]

Can yall take a look at my build please? Weapons and curios are current.

Going for Ranged Focused Veteran with a few must haves for team support.

Returning player and some of my logic may be outdated. Thanks 🙂

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b19d191-71d5-465e-aadd-f5fbf0ef7644

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[strange grove]

I’d change blessings on your 1a

[placid swan]

I have heard stagger/stagger dmg isn't great anymore. I think the recommendations were DA annnnd forgot the other one 😦

[tall torrent]

30% from ability modifier?

[crude ermine]

I'd change wound to health or stamina

[strange grove]

Try deadly accurate and head hunter

[placid swan]

Im very torn between the 1a and the xii 😦

[tall torrent]

That one is not good enough imo

[placid swan]

Ah okay thank you. Will do

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[placid swan]

Roger. Will add that to my gear hunting list 😄

[crude ermine]

Since you're going marksman I recommend getting longshot and confirmed kill at the top tree

[placid swan]

Okay, so forgo that right side and instead split between the middle/left.

[crude ermine]

Yes

[tall torrent]

It’s only for 5s for an ability you won’t use as often as the other 2

[strange grove]

Would M12 be better for marksman focus?

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[formal rock]

XII is still serviceable, but it's suffering a bit from being busted at launch and thus not being touched at all while the others get buffs. If you can handle the iron sight, Helbore is probably the better "long-las" option right now.
Ia is in a sweet spot where it can fire juuuust fast enough to clear hordes with, but still does decent weakspot damage. Some still think it's not strong enough, but I find it to be a good rifle atm.

[strange grove]

Can XII hit BPs that the 1a can’t?

[placid swan]

Would I pursue that +1 stamina, or 5% hp node?

[crude ermine]

Id probably go health

[placid swan]

I have noticed a big different in horde clearence between the 1a. Very true.

[twilit breach]

yall use the lasgun for horde clear?????

what

[placid swan]

Would you recommend reload speed or toughness regen?

[crude ermine]

Neither tbh, but I'd probably go with toughness regen if you had to choose

[placid swan]

In certain situations, yes. During hordes im mostly looking past the horde and watching for specialists/ranged

[formal rock]

Ah, that I don't quite know anymore, so I hope somebody else can chime in. But keep in mind that the faster the weapon fires, the less important breakpoints become. (Especially since the faster-firing rifles have more ammo.)

[terse idol]

Sure, ultimately though, the times when you need to build ult is already suplimented by getting elite kills, if a psyker runs the cdr aura then imo that means you could have ran other curio perks other than that and the value is larger
I'm always in the opinion that if you're not actively generating value the perk is less than ideal

[crude ermine]

I remade your tree to fit iron will into it

[terse idol]

Its like whenever you save VOC its not being affected and the times you need VOC are already affected by the specials you kill

[tall torrent]

1 tap wise, MG12 is a lot simpler

[placid swan]

Woah, thanks!

[sharp ember]

we don’t, but may as well shoot extra rounds into the horde if they’re approaching on a sightline. It’s not something to consider when choosing a lasgun

[crude ermine]

But also keep some of the old stuff that was in the build

[crude ermine]

Np

[tall torrent]

Just activate exe stance and u can 1 tap almost everything

[formal rock]

Yes, on builds where I have Shock Trooper and Ammo Stash, but honestly ammo-efficiency is one of the things the lasrifles are best at regardless.

[terse idol]

I mean its an easy way to get 10 stacks of focus target to be fair

[stuck gorge]

what curio perks should i use?

[sharp ember]

Ordo Dockets

[tranquil bronze]

REEEEEEE

[stuck gorge]

i mean i already have that because thats what it rolled with 💀

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah it's crazy how ammo efficient lasguns can be

[twilit breach]

average plasteel gameplay

[formal rock]

Corruption Resist (Grimoire)

[umbral scaffold]

based Vermintide 2 meta

[twilit breach]

is the bottom part of executioner stance tree actually good?

[rain ocean]

That really depends, personally my favorite setup is Stamina regen/block/toughness

[tall torrent]

Ordo dockets is the only curio perk where u should always strive to have 3x +10%

[stuck gorge]

perks as in the 3 small buffs on each curio

not the main trait

[terse idol]

Camouflage and the thing that gives you toughness back on weakpoint kill on 10 stacks of focus is good

[rain hatch]

Why use anything other than the stupid broken commanding shout?

[rain ocean]

Oh, two toughness and one health

[sharp ember]

to feel something

[terse idol]

The latter helps you trade shots with gunner waves

[formal rock]

Only if you can reliably hit weakspots.

[terse idol]

The whole point of marksmens focus is weakpoint damage so

[tall torrent]

They’re all very good

[formal rock]

The cool thing about the vet tree is that there are tonnes of really good non-capstone talents all over the place. Non-capstone builds are very viable.

[tall torrent]

Bottom left tree is very strong

[placid swan]

I had heard that as well. Counter-intuitive but cool to hear

[umbral scaffold]

all the trees have their strengths

[twilit breach]

yeah that was my general thing

[umbral scaffold]

I like weapon specialist the best personally

[twilit breach]

however whenever I did a marksman build I did the tag or ping thing

bootleg saltzspyer

[umbral scaffold]

but that's cos I like swapping weapons 24/7

[sharp ember]

I only ever take MF with the node to generate stacks when standing still. I’m not gonna hang around in one spot/small area for 15 stacks

[placid swan]

Im going to give it a go, will let you know how it works out!

Thanks everybody for your help 😄

[crude ermine]

Np

[rain hatch]

Weapon specialist rewards you for playing the game

[dusty sluice]

does rending impact 1a atall?

[twilit breach]

luna are you french?

[umbral scaffold]

Not unless you tlak to reddit

[crude ermine]

Yes

[twilit breach]

damn

[umbral scaffold]

"But but I have to constantly waste ammo so I can keep my buffs up 24/7 "

[crude ermine]

Not really

[sharp ember]

not in a big enough situation to matter imo

[rain hatch]

You mean the shitters who feed FS's ego?

[crude ermine]

I just gave myself a near heart attack by nearly spilling my coffee

[sharp ember]

do they? aren’t they even whinier than us about corporate decisions about the game?

[umbral scaffold]

among other things

they still think Veterans are super squishy

and die to a baby's cough

also that Veteran melee options suck

psword 6

[twilit breach]

wtf dont do that

[umbral scaffold]

actual meme opinion

[sharp ember]

ah i see

[twilit breach]

what are smoke grenades good for by the way

like

[crude ermine]

It was my god damn lizard and her clever tactics

[twilit breach]

what purpose do they actually serve

lol

[crude ermine]

Uh

..

[twilit breach]

YOU GOT A LIZZY?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[twilit breach]

what kind

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it too||

But I have to use my ammo

[crude ermine]

Bearded

[twilit breach]

ah a classic

what is her name

sorry this is off topic

[rain ocean]

Wait, really

Is that reddit?

[tall torrent]

De-aggro enemies
Downgrade ranged enemies’ IQ (snipers not included)

[twilit breach]

now when you say downgrade their iq

what do you mean by that

[formal rock]

A big part of the reason the recon lasguns suck so much right now is because they've been balanced around a non-capstone reconlas build, using talents from all three bottom trees (specifically: shock trooper, rending strikes, onslaught)
This is just a specific example. The possibilities are endless, really.

[twilit breach]

and do you throw it at them

or on you

[crude ermine]

Winter

[twilit breach]

wtf?????

thank you brunts

LOL

[crude ermine]

Also there's no such thing as "off topic"

[terse idol]

Hmm

[sharp ember]

they cut off line of sight for any special (except sniper and bomber), elite, and normal shooters if you stand inside or behind the cloud. This either:
a) forces them to walk into melee
b) makes them blindfire your last known location
c) do nothing because they don’t know where to suppress

[crude ermine]

Especially when ZEL chat exists

[terse idol]

I mean not really, they've been nerfed in ammo consumption

And crit chains

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

[twilit breach]

[fresh grail]

Yeah they're fine, just have to make a build to work around it like there.
I've been slapping deadshot on my recon lasbuild for the extra crit chance, saves with the ammo too. Not really needed though

[twilit breach]

i see

[umbral scaffold]

"I have to use my ammo cos my melee weapons suckkkk wahh"

it's actually insane how bad their takes are sometimes

[terse idol]

That has little to do with the keystones since something similar, the columnus works the same its just infinitely better

[formal rock]

Tbf, that's a really big nerf. Only 1/6 of your crits are actually refunded.

[twilit breach]

me when i have to us my melee weapon

[sharp ember]

throw them at your feet because you can slightly see through it when inside, so you can still see forward

[twilit breach]

ah i see

[tall torrent]

It makes the regular shooters very dumb and they like to charge into melee when they can’t see u (so they can’t shoot u)

It makes gunners & reapers shoot on your last known position inside the smoke which makes them very easy to flank

[rain ocean]

Big yikes, then why even have a melee weapon in the first place, and even some pretty okay ones

[tiny summit]

I just really like shooting with helbore with infinite ammo. Melee still good

[twilit breach]

i always figured smoke grenades were just

worse than frag and krak so

[terse idol]

They are

But its funny to use

[sharp ember]

they do still need extra bonuses

[crude ermine]

Oh no yeah there is no denying it

[terse idol]

Until smokes block snipers

[fresh grail]

they could use a buff for sure, but they can be fun to use

[terse idol]

Theyre not my fav

[sharp ember]

but they aren’t mechanically broken, just underwhelming

[wanton dawn]

The big reason why recon sucks is because a perfect recon does less damage than the worse possible columnus

[umbral scaffold]

they are
They can just be pretty funny

[crude ermine]

I just throw my grenades at snipers

It pissed them off

Now I have 8 snipers on my ass

[fresh grail]

X gun doing less damage than Y gun doesn't matter if Y gun is more fun

[formal rock]

How do you deal with the stamina drain? I tried it but kept getting myself killed in stupid ways

[terse idol]

Its not a case of preferences

[formal rock]

Skill issue on my part?

[idle swallow]

Have em Regen toughness when near the smoke or something idk

[terse idol]

We are talking objectively

[spice wadi]

frence

[fresh grail]

It's fine, just have to play around the stamina and make sure you are dodging a lot

[crude ermine]

Quiet MITTENS

[terse idol]

If the gun is fun to use that's great

[crude ermine]

With an I

[terse idol]

But objectively recon sucks

[fresh grail]

objectively anything except for plasma gun powersword sucks

[terse idol]

No?

[tiny summit]

Those sniper modifiers are no joke when you round a corner and 4+ lasers start trailing you

[sharp ember]

hard to justify taking smonks when 2 shredders delete entire elite patrols and kraks are kraks

[wanton dawn]

a 100% dmg recon with 25% maniac does less than a 0% dmg 0% stopping power columnus on a mutie

[terse idol]

This is why we speak about how underperforming recon is doing

[sharp ember]

but smonks are cute

[terse idol]

So it can actually get thr buffs it needs

Like hell

[fresh grail]

Recon is underperforming, but 'sucks' is an extreme exaggeration

[terse idol]

You know mk4 lasgun

Is just a better recon

With the full auto mod right?

[terse idol]

Its literally the lowest performing

Lowest dps gun

[fresh grail]

Everybody who uses recon las knows the current performance, i don't see the point in stating it

[terse idol]

In the game

Its near the shredder

[umbral scaffold]

It's extremely underperforming

[formal rock]

Holy mods batman.
And yeah, there's like one okay build on the reconlas right now and that's infernus critfishing. Columnus is just plain superior otherwise. (Also, why does the Columnus have the same stamina and sprint speed/cost as the reconlas? Wasn't mobility like, the point of taking a reconlas?)
Feel bad for the guy who has to balance it though, I foresee it being really fiddly.

[umbral scaffold]

it is objectively awful

[fresh grail]

And? Something has to be the lowest DPS gun by definition

[terse idol]

That's not good

[umbral scaffold]

if you have fun with it

that's fine

it's still not good lol

that's what tehy;'re saying

Saying "who cares if it's bad"

[fresh grail]

it's fine for completing auric and thats good enough

[terse idol]

That is true but OBJECTIVELY the damage is too low

It can be the "lowest dps"

[umbral scaffold]

kinda important

[terse idol]

But the numbies are too low

[tiny summit]

I would say suck is appropriate. Because it does. Unusable, is where I consider it exaggeration. It does suck. It sucks by pure comparison to anything else you can bring.

[terse idol]

Even for being "the lowest"

[umbral scaffold]

sounds like a low bar

[fresh grail]

Cause it is

[terse idol]

There's no problem that a gun can have lower dps but it's too low

[sharp ember]

they fear letting it be good at something because it has 0 recoil

[terse idol]

Its barely usable

[sharp ember]

can’t let it do anything more than clear shooters

[terse idol]

And this is coming off the patch where the recon was actually good

Before the nerf

[sharp ember]

did you wipe

[tranquil bronze]

Yep

[sharp ember]

mood

[fresh grail]

It can do with a buff for sure, i don't like having to make a specific build around a gun and they need to fix it, but i disagree that it sucks. It has its uses and fun factor its one of the most unique.

[terse idol]

All im saying is, advocating for buffs for the recon is fine because we all know it's not doing well

[fresh grail]

No disagreement there

[terse idol]

That's just your subjective opinion

Its fine

[fresh grail]

Its all subjective opinions in here

[terse idol]

Yes but objectively the recon doesn't math

[formal rock]

"Grims can't be dropped" wasn't a statement of his understanding, it was a statement of his intent.

[terse idol]

That's the discussiioon

[fresh grail]

The recon doesn't have DPS but DPS isn't the only stat, its an accurate laserbeam with very high mobility. It's fun

[tiny summit]

Something can be low, it doesn't have to be this low by a wide margin. I think most people here overexaggerate on builds and shit and talk like fighting game tierlists saying anything that isn't top tier is trash. But recons are like low. You can win with them. They can do something. But holy shit unless you really love tickling laser piss show, pick anything else and you will go so much farther

[terse idol]

Its accurate with a strange damage profile, and mobility is the lower performing stat on guns

You would still want to dump mobility on the recooon

[fresh grail]

not mobility as in stat, i mean as in movement speed and movement ingame.

[tranquil bronze]

Grimoires really need to be removed

[terse idol]

Because recons on guns dont matter that much

[terse idol]

Movement speed isn't affected by your gun

I think..

I forgot what mobility does

But it doesn't make you go any faster iirc

[tall torrent]

What difficulty was it

[fresh grail]

The weapon you have equipped does matter for movement speed for sure, try running a bolter and then a revolver

[tranquil bronze]

Damnation hi intensity hunting pack

[tall torrent]

lol he’s trolling then

[fresh grail]

Usually people ask before picking up grims

[tranquil bronze]

He picked it up without permission

[terse idol]

Yeah no recon doesn't give you mobility

As in movement speed

[fresh grail]

then feel free to call him out on bad manners

[terse idol]

Mobility stat is the same

[tiny summit]

I'll pick up grims without asking but thats only because I have cleanse on my zealot

[terse idol]

Its still not very valuable on guns

[fresh grail]

its not the mobility stat in game, its secret hidden stats

[terse idol]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[frail bolt]

how does one build the laspistol?

[terse idol]

I've never heard about secret stats beside like crit chance on a dlcaw

[fresh grail]

Fatshark is notorious for not listing modifiers and what anything does

[tall torrent]

What’s dc sword hidden crit chance

[terse idol]

How do you know it has extra mobility

[tiny summit]

Uh. Use it it's a good weapon. People like VoC to be a commisar

[terse idol]

Isn't it likr base 5%

[sharp ember]

we’d love to see the built-in crit chance on weapons

[fresh grail]

Playing the game?

[formal rock]

It really annoys me how the autoguns have the same movement profile though as the reconlas. They're already strong enough as it is, they don't need to trample on the reconlas' niche as well. (Also I'm pretty sure bullets and cartriges weigh more than laspacks...)

[terse idol]

How can you tell

[umbral scaffold]

Could you not call upon a shrimp to fry him?

[frail bolt]

any recommended blessings and perks?

[terse idol]

How did you come to the knowledge that you got a hidden movement speed increase?

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure only knife and tac axe have extra crit chance stuff (available on veteran)

[terse idol]

Like I'm genuinely asking

[terse idol]

😭

[sharp ember]

dumdum is a great blessing, always have at least that

[terse idol]

Then that makes even less sense about the hidden stats on recon

[fresh grail]

You run faster while sprinting with pistols compared to heavy guns like bolters, just try it out with grey weapons in the armoury

[tall torrent]

Knife is +15%
Tac axe is up to +12%

[sharp ember]

I like Ghost as a 2nd blessing

[tall torrent]

Everything else is 0% I remember

[terse idol]

No no but in game how do you tell

I know exactly 1 way

[fresh grail]

you don't, is the issue

[civic knot]

this worth running?

[terse idol]

I'm curious

[inland orchid]

Mobility stat exists tho

[terse idol]

If you know

Okay, so you know

[inland orchid]

U can always just

Check

[terse idol]

That the mobility aura

[fresh grail]

dataminers on google is how you find out all the hidden stats like crit chance on weapons

[terse idol]

Will give you enough movement speed

To outrun hordes

[umbral scaffold]

People already shit themselves the moment you drop aggro on stealth

[terse idol]

If you knew recon had a secret movement speed modifier

[umbral scaffold]

I think a 90% reduction is a whine machine

[sharp ember]

for speedrunning objectives and hot-revives yes

[terse idol]

Then you would have been able to outrun hordes

[tall torrent]

Recon6d at 72% mobility roll has +0.52 sprint speed

[umbral scaffold]

But personally I don't use it because I like shit going at me

[inland orchid]

Every gun like that has a speed modifier called stripped down

Awesome blessing

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t increase sprint speed anymore

[inland orchid]

Fine by me it’s still immune to ranged

[rain ocean]

Dumdum is pretty juicy with building up damage, i tend to go with Ghost and Infernus, burn stacks are great since it's already doing hefty damage, and ghost really helps on higher levels, then probably maniac damage and crit chance

[terse idol]

Yeah from -0.2 to 0.8

Least game lanterns telling me

Which isn't enough speed to outrun a horde

[tiny summit]

Dumdum/raking fire, maniac/flak are safe perks. The other blessings could find some use if you like suppression immunity or range attack immunity. Infernus kinda low dmg unless you have crit chance cranked like on gun psyker, reassuringly accurate too unreliable since it need crit kills.

[frail bolt]

yeah, burn really helps me

[fresh grail]

who cares about outrunning a horde?

i want to run towards the horde

[formal rock]

Either you take low profile or the toughness augment. Both is overkill.
Personally I take the toughness one because I want fools to get distracted by me when I pop out of concealment, especially as a melee vet. Otherwise I'm pretty much making my teammates fight minus-1 for 18 seconds.
Low Profile has a good use case for if you're running a ranged infiltration build.

[terse idol]

Well then

That doesnt help the recon argument

[frail bolt]

so would i replace cara for flak or maniac?

[terse idol]

If recon had a secret movement speed increase that helped you run from hordes

[sharp ember]

absolutely

[terse idol]

It does matter to give you space

[fresh grail]

the recon movement is for repositioning, dodging and general movement around the map. Running away from hordes is a situation that doesn't really occur

[terse idol]

It doesn't

No but

[sharp ember]

you ain’t shooting crushers with a laspistol

[terse idol]

If it's not big enough it's not significant

[tiny summit]

Yea. Carapace kinda useless on laspistol

[tall torrent]

Maniac

[terse idol]

Because then I would say

[sharp ember]

oh, i’d go maniac

[rain ocean]

Personally i would go with Maniac, lasguns have a hard time with heavy armor anyway

[terse idol]

Iag lasgun has good movement speed to help you reposition

It does

[frail bolt]

so i went to meat grinder and 4 shot a armored rager, but took like 7-8 for normal rager

htf

[soft tide]

Were they crits?

[inland orchid]

Flak vs maniac

[soft tide]

Or were they regular hits?

[terse idol]

And an IAG lasgun or a recon lasgun

You aren't gonna want to max out mobility

[frail bolt]

lemme retry

[terse idol]

Because an 0.8 movement speed isn't that significant, it can be to be fair

[sharp ember]

imagine if recons were basically reskins of IAGs

[fresh grail]

Normal ragers have higher HP iirc. Something of the sorts in the patch notes

[terse idol]

But it doesn't matter

Because testing how well you can position is tough

[soft tide]

Yeah, because I was doing DMG myself last night to test out some melee and ranged, and I was having similar issues until I did more tests

[terse idol]

And I want to assure you that it likely has the same movement speed as the IaG lasgun

[muted knot]

God could I imagine having a gun as good as columunus with even less ammo problems ?

[terse idol]

Don't be touching me with secret staats especially mobility

[fresh grail]

The mobility stat in game does not matter, correct. Each weapon has a hidden 'movement' speed stat, which is why knife people run faster than eviscerator through hidden stats.
Recon lasgun is on the side of the fast running weapons

[terse idol]

Because until that stat let's you run away from hordesnitndoesnt mattern

[frail bolt]

huh, just realized i have 2 laspistols

[formal rock]

Now I'm wondering about how a silenced lasrifle would work...

[terse idol]

I mean, I can gutantee you

It isn't as fast as running with the knife

Or even half

As fast

[fresh grail]

i mean duh, but thats not what im saying either

[terse idol]

I know but

[fresh grail]

just trying to explain how each weapon has a hidden movement stat.

[formal rock]

If only you could wield both at the same time 😔

[terse idol]

You're not running towards

The horde

Why would you

[sharp ember]

if you’re referring to Shocktrooper, it only refunds 1 shot per crit string and not the entire string

[frail bolt]

yeah

[terse idol]

Because doesn't The recon lasgun have inverse damage drop off?

[frail bolt]

left or right?

[formal rock]

Not anymore

Was patched out

[terse idol]

That's crazy

[soft tide]

I'd break down the dumdum IV

And slap that onto the other

[ruby totem]

anyone have a good laspistol build?

[terse idol]

Certainly less of a reason to run recon than any of the iags

But that's besides the point

[soft tide]

Here's a question for the vets, because I see a lot of Columnus stanning, but- I've been doing pretty well with the Agripinna, is it bad?

[frail bolt]

thx

[fresh grail]

Damage is fine, recon lasgun needs very specific talents to work around now because it lacks ammo. The build posted earlier is a good one for ammo effiency

[terse idol]

The ag is just as good

[soft tide]

Or does it come down to preference?

[terse idol]

But the damage isn't

That's the whole crux of this conversation

Because objectively the damage compared with any other weapon

Is bad

Its next to the shredder for Pete's sake

[soft tide]

Used to use Recon a lot before the nerf, and the damage has definitely fallen down

[fresh grail]

well it's the worst DPS gun for sure, but i've completed HISTG auric with it many times, and thats what is good enough for a weapon at the end of the day.

[terse idol]

That's fine

I'm not gonna bash your accomplishment

[soft tide]

Well yeah, if you can do Auric with it then you're solid my guy

[terse idol]

But you are working twice as hard to beat it and using twice as much ammo

[soft tide]

^^^

[fresh grail]

its not an accomplishment, it just needs talents to work around

[soft tide]

Yeah that

[sharp ember]

agri is great too, columnus just boasts very high close range DPS and racks up dumdum the fastest as a part of that

[fresh grail]

well yeah of course, but being a slave to the meta isn't any fun

[terse idol]

Because I'm saying if the DPS is bad, that means you're shooting twice as much

[soft tide]

Ahhh, right. I was about to say-

Mine's been pretty great

[terse idol]

Yeah and I don't want you to be a slave of the meta

I just want the recon buffed

[fresh grail]

As does everyone

[soft tide]

Say it louder pls

I beg of thee

[terse idol]

Inshalaaahhh

[frank basin]

Halal

[wary galleon]

how the fuck do you pick up an ammo box and use 0 ammo, waste 14

zealot_gaming be like

[inland orchid]

I remember old recon shock trooper builds were insane, hell it was even crazy before the talent trees lowkey

[soft tide]

This was my old boy

And look what they've done to it

[frank basin]

Lowkey

[soft tide]

[terse idol]

I would say just, hold on to your recon stonks

They'll pay out eventually

[soft tide]

AGHHHHH DAMMIT I JUST REALIZED I NEED TO REDO IT

[frank basin]

Khorne rage

[fresh grail]

make it onslaught with rending and you can do some melting

[sullen merlin]

Gah, even with shotgun, the 90 perent accuracy eludes me. Im too inaccurate

[untold mulch]

I sold a few I had today but because they were not great rolls

[terse idol]

Why people suggesting shotgun frfr

Just use a revolver or plasmagun

[wary galleon]

shotgun is great

[terse idol]

(If you choose plasmagun just only right click)

[fresh grail]

cause its fun

[soft tide]

I've never had a good shotgun, is my issue.

[terse idol]

Not for "make every shot count"

[soft tide]

Maybe that's just my luck tho

[sullen merlin]

My friend, if i cant get 90 percent accuracy with a shotgun, i dont think i can get revolver xD

[terse idol]

Its easier

[wary galleon]

nah you must use meta weapons otherwise i will call you 9000 slurs and become rage incarnate

[terse idol]

Because you're not missing pellets

We're not talking meta

[sullen merlin]

I thought missing pellets dont count?

[terse idol]

We're talking the penance

[wary galleon]

i was

[fresh grail]

shotgun is easiest for the penance yes

[terse idol]

I have no idea and I don't trust it

[fresh grail]

or thats how i did it also anyway

[terse idol]

Revolver or pgun is easiest

Imo

[soft tide]

I have no idea and I don't trust it

The Imperium be like

[terse idol]

I finished it on 4 with a revolver in the most scuffed way possible

[formal rock]

Have a Big Brain Moment™️. Ask yourself why the Imperium shoots their own soldiers in the head to maintain morale, when they could just shoot the enemy in the head instead.
Take a laspistol. Build Reassuringly Accurate, Headhunter, +CritChance%. Run a VoC build with all the +toughness-on-kill/regen and +CritChance% talents you can get your hands on in the tree; take Inspiring Presence to give 15% of your toughness to your mates. Hotdrop down to the nearest FUBAR that Rannick needs you to clean up. Find the nearest poxwalker horde and get as many weakspot crit kills as possible. Become Commissar-Lord Ciaphas Caintide, Hero of Tertium.
||(Also, do not do any of this.)||

[terse idol]

(The vet who was also doing it had a bolter and ran survivalist)

[untold mulch]

I need to do On overwatch now that I htink of it

I can do T4 easy enough that no ranged for most of it shouldn't be difficult

[tranquil bronze]

Find a willing group for Malice, jump off a cliff for the rest of the match until the end.

[untold mulch]

Needs Heresy

[terse idol]

On overwatch aint bad

If you just have a friend following you

I did it that way to help my friend getn it

[untold mulch]

okay

I am big dumb

[soft tide]

OH- opinions on the Kantrael? It hasn't been all that good to me unlike that Accatran.

[untold mulch]

I meant EVERY SHOT COUNTS 🤣

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

Ogryn brain

[terse idol]

Its easy

[untold mulch]

Overwatch I did it accidentally in a T4 Hi in

[terse idol]

Just... make every shot count

[inland orchid]

I was lucky enough to get my on overwatch on the repair mission in a pub, I got backstabbed by a rager but this was before they bypassed toughness

So if I tried to pull the same shit I did in the past I wouldn’t get the penace

[untold mulch]

But that, jsut mostly tedious

Will do later a Vet Melee build

[tranquil bronze]

Plasma

[untold mulch]

go with revolver or plasma

[soft tide]

If it doesn't include the Mk3 shovel I don't want it

[ruby totem]

Every shot count now is so easy with something like a plasma. I did it with a plasma when it was still 100%

[terse idol]

Its okay, like I finished make every shot count and had to clutch the one part in the shower room because everyone died

[inland orchid]

I’ve heard some shotgun runs have been fruitful for the make every shot count penace

[terse idol]

Thaaat made me abit sweaty

[untold mulch]

Ugh, I don't want to roll a new melee

[terse idol]

Yeah I don't trust it

[inland orchid]

I haven’t gotten it done myself tho been too addicted to passing broskis ammo

[soft tide]

I'll admit tho it's kinda worth it! It's special action has a two-fold hit

[inland orchid]

You always miss ammo when u don’t have it so if i just always have ammo

[untold mulch]

I know, but its a pain in the ass to get a good roll

[soft tide]

Strikedown that goes through Carapace, and then the pull out

^^^^

[inland orchid]

I’ll never get clip-sick

[soft tide]

That's fair

[terse idol]

Would rather recommend the only charged shot pgun method or a revol er

[untold mulch]

I have a chunk of resoruces on "stash duty"

for hellgun

🤣

[formal rock]

You only need to have a 90% hitrate with your initial ammo pool, right? (Ignores ammo pickups and aura). So just build melee vet, bring a revolver, Make Every Shot Count™️, then tuck it away and SlapChop to the end of the match.

[terse idol]

Yeah

And I mean I'm gonna say the funny thing but you can miss a few times

[wanton dawn]

What do you call a 'stash' ?

[untold mulch]

20k plasteel and 3million dockets

[terse idol]

You gotta remeber the more shots you miss the more you're gonna have to make up shots

[soft tide]

JESUS

[formal rock]

The hairy thing you grow on top of your lip?

[untold mulch]

I feel is too little

[terse idol]

If you miss 1 shot you need to make back 10

[wanton dawn]

Ah yes

[terse idol]

Miss 9 shots you have to hit 101

[wanton dawn]

A stash

[untold mulch]

DEAR LORD EMPEROR THOU ART IN THY THRONE

[soft tide]

Easy 2k dropped on Plasteel for just one transcend-

CRAIME WHAT THE FUCK

[terse idol]

Craimes min MAXed

[soft tide]

SMUDGE, WHERE'S THE MIN?

[untold mulch]

HOMIE IS BUYING AN IMPERIAL KNIGHT

[soft tide]

I ONLY SEE MAX

[terse idol]

😌

[soft tide]

Mans is fucking living

[tranquil bronze]

I ordered two boxes of Kasrkin Kill Team

[untold mulch]

GIVE IT A FEW MONTHS AND CRAIME HAS NO MONEY

HAS PROFIT RATING

[wanton dawn]

That's what happen when you don't interact much with crafting and... play for a while

[inland orchid]

Other rejects: I gotta have the best weapon I can roll
This karker:

[formal rock]

"Hand it over. That thing, your PlaSteel™️. For my lady Hadron's brick shop."

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/miles-morales-spiderman-my-own-thing-nah-gif-1880788394231438949

[untold mulch]

Yeah I want to get more

But have a nice little amount for a good roll

for a god roll I need more

[fresh grail]

Enlightened

[soft tide]

I'm living that reject life.

[sharp ember]

craime is ready for making a day 1 godroll volleygun

[soft tide]

[wanton dawn]

Stop salivating chances are I have more playtime that most of yah together

[soft tide]

MY BROTHER

I TOO HAVE A LOT OF DIAMANTINE

I also want to ask, no- beg

For a proper Longlas

A Longlas, and just like Cor

I need a Hellgun

[wet elk]

she fucking bricked it maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[wanton dawn]

Btw, I don't loot craft material

[terse idol]

Longlas might kill me

[tranquil bronze]

It was a wipe but we did leave him for dead when he got trappered

[terse idol]

I can't wait to not hit the crusher BP on the new longlas

[wanton dawn]

I am kinda ehh, not feeling it that much

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-non-linear-gif-27023528

[untold mulch]

Is the base of my pyramid of needs

[soft tide]

Hellguns, Longlas, proper LMG's and not these damned Braced Guns

[untold mulch]

Fr

[soft tide]

I can't stand Braced, dude-

[tranquil bronze]

Hadron, you're a bitch. Give me my headhunter III!

[soft tide]

ALSO

[crude fiber]

my gun wants no part of itself

[soft tide]

I need to know if I'm a nutcase

[untold mulch]

Arent we all

[terse idol]

Braced is fiiine

[sharp ember]

braced is fine, the weapon of choice of people who don’t want to aim (me)

[soft tide]

I-

No that's fair.

[solid gull]

I just like to W + M1 with it towards a big group of gunners

[soft tide]

My braced AG did wonders on a Beast

[solid gull]

Eventually it becomes a laserbeam

[crude fiber]

id drop 2 points from weapon specialist and get cool down on special kills

[soft tide]

Admittedly mine makes me do the funny scream at gunners

[terse idol]

You only need the middle and the first left on weapon spec imo

Only the left is fine too

[sharp ember]

that right there is a deff’ killy brauto

[tranquil bronze]

Blessings aren't even optimal... so why does it slap so hard?

[terse idol]

No DA no surgical

[tranquil bronze]

It still slaps

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-team-epic-lemon-gif-11343772

[tranquil bronze]

Has no right

[sharp ember]

could slap even harder, but you do have the 3rd and 4th best blessings for it

[terse idol]

No yeah its very good

[sharp ember]

B team blessings as you will

[tranquil bronze]

Is it mean that I t-bagged that guy who picked up a grim and refused to drop it when he got trappered?

[soft tide]

Cooking or cooked?

[wanton dawn]

change both perk. GG

blessing are meta

[terse idol]

Oh yeah dats good

[soft tide]

Flak/Cara?

[sharp ember]

cooking, maybe not COOKING because of thermal res

[turbid narwhal]

does anyone have meme builds that use a boltgun as main damage? i was looking through all the talents and it seems there aren't a ton that would synergize with it

[terse idol]

Unarmoured, maniac
Or Elite, maniac

[tranquil bronze]

He'll be fine

[terse idol]

Depending on whether or not you meet the dredge gunner BP

Cara doesn't actually change the BP on crushers you'll still 3 shot them roughly

But teeeest the BP

[sharp ember]

I like Maniac Unyielding

[wanton dawn]

You won't find 2 ppl that play the same perk combo for plasma

[tranquil bronze]

This dropped from my mission

[terse idol]

Imo pgun just has like 1 needed BP

[sharp ember]

Unyielding so I can blast bosses without hurting my ammo so much

[dusty sluice]

grab this?

[rain ocean]

oooooo nice one

That is a keeper

[tranquil bronze]

The last two perks I do stam regen and tough regen.

[rain ocean]

Sounds good

[terse idol]

Waiiit

Gunner res

If you dont already have it

[sharp ember]

both valid really

[terse idol]

Tough regen is weird

cause it's coherency toughness regen

[idle swallow]

I really want to like the mk3 helbore am I a crazy person?

[terse idol]

Helbore3 is fiine

[sharp ember]

it’d be broken if it weren’t only coherency regen

[terse idol]

the Bayonet is worse though

😌

[sharp ember]

still great for increasing your coherency regen startup and rate

lets you top off really fast in between melee hits or during gunfights

[terse idol]

Hmmmm

Maybe I try again

[dusty sluice]

also get this for if it gets buffed in the future?

[sharp ember]

because it’ll spool up faster with less time delay, for shorter windows where you aren’t under attack and get to regen

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just that mk3 really struggles in the unwieldy aspect

[sharp ember]

blessing is scuffed but yeah I collect good rolls of everything just in case

[tall torrent]

It needs 1 tap on both flamers, both gunners & both shotgunners

[terse idol]

I haven't had much of a problem on any of those bp's besides dredge gunner

Time to test it

[sharp ember]

I think longshot will save you the trouble if you stand far away enough

Unarmored perk if you’re desperate enough on your build

[dusty sluice]

speedload is everywhere

is gets on everything

[terse idol]

My hardline stance is no Longshot but that's just me

Maybe it is better to have Longshot...

[rain ocean]

Feel like it really depends

[sharp ember]

longshot is what meets dreg gunner breakpoint for me on mine

+10% Elites perk may do the trick too

[tall torrent]

I have +10% elite on my plasma

[terse idol]

Yeah 10% and Longshot with the weakpoints + elites seems to hit dredge gunner

I don't have max damage on my puhguns

But I run unarmoured + no Longshot with weakpoint and elites to meet it

wheeze

[dusty sluice]

charged or not?

[tall torrent]

Uncharged ofc

[dusty sluice]

ah

[terse idol]

Current meta pgun play style is no charge

[sharp ember]

i like to just run Exe Stance to meet all the broad breakpoints on various enemies, and use highlight vision to shoot karkers through walls

[terse idol]

Or minimal

[tall torrent]

U should only charge if u see a ton of Ogryns lined up

[sharp ember]

doesn't carapace and bulwark shield stop plasma cleave on the first hit

[tall torrent]

Not sure

I know charged shot could 1 tap crusher if u build for it

[sick oak]

do I swap out carapace or unyielding?

[sharp ember]

ah, worth checking out if a 1-shot will continue going

[tall torrent]

Carapace to maniac
Infernus to surgical

You should not be shooting at crushers with mk1 Helbore because it has same dmg as HB2 but shoots slower

Not worth it

Maulers u just bodyshot 4 tap (if 1 crits)

[modest sapphire]

this looks great, i would say ranged stance works really well with boltgun though.

[sick oak]

ty

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives u 1 HS non-crit for both flamers, and 1 crit bodyshot trappers I think

The flamer 1 tap non-crit is the biggest upside of mk1 HB over mk2 HB

[next spade]

is serrated blade even worth it? 1 stack of bleed?

[tall torrent]

If you want to play knife with mercy killer, yes

[rain ocean]

Personally love the knife!

Makes you feel like you play CS

[tall torrent]

Knife animations are half the reason it’s fun

[rain ocean]

Swinging it like crazy, it's hilarious

And also surprisingly strong when you crit with it

Stabbing a crusher to death is appealing

[strange grove]

on auric damnation

[sick oak]

seems like a 6 shot without crit

[tall torrent]

Do u have the +15% elite talent

[terse idol]

Darktide Phoon Bhop montage music intensifies

[sick oak]

prob not lmao

ill grab that

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-new-year-monkey-gif-15934166

https://tenor.com/view/dance-slide-napoleon-dynamite-gif-16055889

[tall torrent]

Yea I suggest grabbing that cuz it helps breakpoints for a lot of weapons against a very wide variety of targets

[sick oak]

gotcha

[untold mulch]

Fucking hell

Tried Make each shot count

Revolver vet shooting a few times a target I was aiming at fucked me over