veteran-class

[dreamy lantern]

so he sounds like that (unfortunate)

[vernal harbor]

"CLOSE. SCORE. AND DO IT AGAIN!"

[wary galleon]

i absolutely love FC norf memes

[vernal harbor]

makes it even better because thats how gw act

itd be hilarious if after all the terrible biz decisions and community attacks that gw actually hinder their revenue of this massive franchise

mfs take home like 1/10 of what they could

frowning at youtube sfm's

[wary galleon]

fr

goddamn it was a shame TTTS was shut down

[flint lake]

yowat I'm hoss

[vernal harbor]

at some point the community needs a check because its the community fighting tooth and nail to keep this shit alive lmao

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-walls-cat-roomba-cat-i-am-in-your-walls-gif-24840588

[vernal harbor]

like trying to talk somone down from a ledge

[flint lake]

that's a fucked up servitor buddy

[wary galleon]

even in death i will push items off the table

duty never ends

[vernal harbor]

the community trying to save gw from a bad mistake

[fresh grail]

GW is having its best years to date when it comes to revenue, they'll keep on doing what they do best. Milking us

[wary galleon]

Gw response to anything

[drifting oak]

fun fact, all deaths were in the final smelter room

[slender turtle]

It had been for years. GW will just keep going after slavs in the middle of nowhere uploading 3D print files of their models so we can just make them ourselves

[slender turtle]

Ive had 21 deatsh in that final room 2 days ago. All xbox players but surely that had nothing to do with it

[vernal harbor]

what they see from (1) 3d print model

[crude ermine]

My highest deaths in a run were 5

[median belfry]

absolutely fucking love the cadian set, fellas.

[crude ermine]

All from this guy but he did apologize and it was genuinely his off day

[slender turtle]

My dad has like 4 or 5 3D printers and he uses them to make a bunch of models. So he knows where to get those kinds of files. He just wishes the language was english sometimes

[delicate estuary]

for the zealot or which one

[median belfry]

vet

[delicate estuary]

dopnt like the pants sadly

[slender turtle]

FS cant make a good pair of vet pants to save their fashion sense

[delicate estuary]

like

[median belfry]

i can only complain about the silly flak sabatons

[slender turtle]

and the ones that are good are locked away from us

[crude ermine]

Could've made a pet legged vet but nooo give it only to the zelaot

Zealot

[delicate estuary]

like the zealot one

is really good

but I dont like using that for zealot as it feels more vet specific kek

[median belfry]

i completely forgot what the zealot's cadia set looks like

[delicate estuary]

its far better

imo

[median belfry]

ideally, I would've liked basic cadia color-scheme fatigues with combat boots

[chrome pumice]

say what a perk I can use for shovel weapons.

[sharp ember]

Flak like most things, for your 2nd perk you can pick between Maniac, Unarmored, and Carapace according to your wants and needs

and i mean specifically the spike shovels for carapace

if it helps you comfortably 2-shot or even 1-shot crushers if you build for it

[chrome pumice]

Aahh

wel I got a horde clearing shovel due to the blessings combo.

Decimator and Skullcrushers. So I dont think I'll be dealing too much to carapace

[crisp bronze]

I finally got Brutal Momentum 4 on my Power Sword. It doesn't let me kill anything faster. But it did give me my first 550.

[chrome pumice]

WOO

also what does power cycler do. never seen that perk before

[muted knot]

Let's you hit +1/+2 additional time when powered up

Basically mandatory

[chrome pumice]

Oh

OH Hell that would be so much useful for psykers too.

[drifting oak]

with power cycler 3

the ps6 can do a three-hit combo when charged

pushattack, overhead light, heavy

this kills basically anything

[crisp bronze]

Power Cycler 3 is 1 extra powered hit. Power Cycler 4 is 2.

[drifting oak]

errrrr yeah 4

[wary galleon]

might be one of the longest weapons ive made lol

[drifting oak]

i was thinking of 3 hits lol

[chrome pumice]

dayum

thats actually fuckin cool xD

[muted knot]

And it's a recon

[wary galleon]

ye

VIIa

[chrome pumice]

an actual sniper lasgun

[thick wolf]

wh40k's equivalent to drg's m1000 rifle

[drifting oak]

I just know the pushstab, light, heavy kills muties

[vernal harbor]

i didnt even know my ps was 550 until someone else mentioned it and i was like dam so this really is as good as it gets

[drifting oak]

while also sweeping trash

[crude ermine]

And dumps on crushers

Or CAN

[drifting oak]

even just being able to do 3 heavies after a charge

massively improves clear times

[muted knot]

Hey this might be a stupid question but why do lasguns need barrels ?

[crude ermine]

Funnel

[drifting oak]

because IRL lasers need a bunch of mirrors in a line, i presume the barrel of a lasgun is similar

[crisp bronze]

PC 3 is still enough to get the Crusher and Mauler 2 tap kill. But it hurts your horde clear a lot. Going from 2 powered swings to 3 means 50% more kills per activation and you need to activate it 50% less.

[finite imp]

the average guardsman is also stupid, so haveing a little stick for them to point things at helps

here's the blasty end

[muted knot]

Valid

[finite imp]

don't look down the barrel

good luck

[drifting oak]

you can imagine that this is what the inside of a lasgun barrel is

[crisp bronze]

Yeah Lasguns are basically the ultimate reliable weapon. There are no moving parts inside the gun. Guardsman manage to break them anyway.

[muted knot]

Is this like real life stuff ? I don't know shit about lasers

[untold mulch]

I think it is

[finite imp]

"The Lasgun uses the same basic technology and operates along the same lines as other laser weapons, emitting a beam of highly-energetic, focused, coherent photons." essentially it releases it in bursts, likely to prevent the gun from over heating and to conserve "ammunition"

[wary galleon]

laser is just photons

[untold mulch]

Overall, barrels for lasguns may make some sense, beam coherency and all that shit

[wary galleon]

and photons is just energy waves

[finite imp]

and the magazines are just power cells

[wary galleon]

ye

[finite imp]

the rate of burn depends on the configuration of the weapon

unless it's a helbore and you have the perk

in which case you ascend physics

[wary galleon]

40k basically just took a shitty laser pointer and tuned it a bit, then multiplied the pointers by a million and hoped it would defeat the orks

[finite imp]

it kinda works

[untold mulch]

I mean, as usual

Whatever is killed by the lasgun

is already dead

[crisp bronze]

Lasguns in 40k fire actual lasers unlike star wars for example where they use "blasters". I think it's been retconned that blasters fire plasma now but 40k Lasguns have always shot actual lasers.

[finite imp]

the infantry lasgun is the most commonly manufactured and issued weapon in the imperium

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/fleshlight-gif-25214863

[thick wolf]

least us army moment in fictional military

[finite imp]

don't do this IRL you can get in trouble with the police lol

[wary galleon]

oh yea for sure

or pointing laserpointer at helicopters or airplanes

you will get fucked up by the police

rightly so

its hella dangerous

[crisp bronze]

The joke goes that the standard 40k Lasgun is so absurdly powerful it basically let the Imperium kill 90% of what they came across in The Great Crusade. But that last 10%... oof.

[finite imp]

also don't fire lasguns off your porch into apartment blocks

[untold mulch]

Also

What the lasgun doesn't kills

Thats what the Hellgun is for

[serene sage]

Insert soap kills 99% of bacteria jokes here

[final stone]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/246

[finite imp]

i manually order my mods in notepad like a boss

[serene sage]

then and again, consistency hasn't been a strong point of 40k I feel
like with their fire power, you would think they can obliterate anything from orbital bombardment

but no

[untold mulch]

Lasgun depends on what novel it is

[crisp bronze]

A blaster in Star Wars can kill. But it just leaves a small scorched hole. Plasma weaponry in 40k makes the target into a spilled bucket of paint. Lasguns ignite and boil soft tissue on contact and cause the target to blow up as well. Less than plasma, still half your torso gone.

[untold mulch]

Guard novel? This is the best shit since sliced bread

SM novel? I think in a few hours of continous fire, I may actually start feeling it

[serene sage]

sure doesnt feel that way in most visual medium

[untold mulch]

By most lore representations, SW Blasters are inferior or at same kill power than lasguns

But hte indirect things make the blasters ehhhh

[finite imp]

what is the curent meta lasgun anyhow

while were on the subjecty

[untold mulch]

Not instnat projectile

Still requires supply lines because is gas not electricity

[wary galleon]

same

[untold mulch]

magnetic affected I thinik?

[untold mulch]

Ia is the best infantry to my knowldge

[crisp bronze]

Also yeah. I think one book had standard Terminator armor survive orbital bombardment. The bombardment was with a weapon that another book described as firing building sized ammunition because book author didn't know how calibre worked.

[serene sage]

for how hot the lasgun supposedly fire, there is a surpring lack of uncontrolled arson in 40k

[finite imp]

ill dig around in myt gunbox and see if I have any goodies

[untold mulch]

Weakest SM in their novel

[untold mulch]

I just cleaned mine

I wish I could check the emperor gifts

and sell or keep it as a instnat choice

[finite imp]

i just have piles of legendaries half of which i havent even looked at

[untold mulch]

Fr

[serene sage]

yeah, it has always troubled me that we have an estimate of around 1,000,000 Space Marines for the entire galaxy

[untold mulch]

Unlocked some blessings rn

[serene sage]

like 1 million is hardly enough to hold a planet

[untold mulch]

40k and numbers

is ignore

or add 0s

[serene sage]

give me like 1 billion, and I can start seeing it

[crisp bronze]

2,000,000 clones with more on the way moment.

[untold mulch]

Incredibly brutal Guardsman fight around the planet, casualties very rarely seen

[serene sage]

like 1000 times more

[untold mulch]

Less casualties than Stalingrad

[finite imp]

only a million would just mean we lost the galaxy no way

[untold mulch]

WRITERS READ A FUCKIGN BOOK

[untold mulch]

Fr

[finite imp]

i don't think writers comprehend the size of a galaxy

[serene sage]

or do basic google searches

[untold mulch]

They don'0t

Tbf, is a very hard scale to think of

but holy crap there is no effort

[serene sage]

like how hard is it to multiply by 10 after reading a simple wikipedia article

[untold mulch]

and thats low

[serene sage]

humongous titans

smaller than the statue of libery

[untold mulch]

KEK

[serene sage]

I'd much rather them inflate the numbers than having them so low it's absurb

they err on the wrong side of estimation

[crisp bronze]

Most people struggle to comprehend how big the universe is. Most people struggle to comprehend how big our own planet is even. Scale is hard.

[celest vine]

I thought that number was doubled or something like that when cawl took the bacon out of the freezer

[serene sage]

oh my bad, 2 millions

so, 2 planets it is then

[celest vine]

Well marines are effectively immune to small arms fire

[slow spade]

If they're as good as our convicts, that's all you'll need 💪

[celest vine]

And most wars are putting down rebellions and traitors

[untold mulch]

Oh god the cringe I had when in the RT game

They went with the line of a few marines can conquer a planet

[serene sage]

like, I understand why keeping track of 3 trillion guardsman and millions of imperial worlds is hard

but man, you have 1 million of your most elite troops

1 million

and you don't know where most of them are

[slow spade]

You forgot the context that they were named marines

UwU

[serene sage]

it's absurd

[celest vine]

Sometimes things just get lost in the warp

[untold mulch]

TRUE

[celest vine]

Firehawks did

Astral claws did too

[slow spade]

"We lost 100 baneblades"

[celest vine]

Then the re appeared

[serene sage]

like fucking Cambodia can keep better track of 1 million elite troops than the Munitorum

[slow spade]

I miss old Creed

"Suddenly a Leman Russ"

[serene sage]

oh no no, that one is explanable
it's in the blood magpie arsenal rn

[celest vine]

Need to rediscover word docs

[crisp bronze]

I think it's canon lore that Fulgrim took over a planet with just himself and six marines because "muh perfection" or whatever.

[fresh grail]

It is the 41st millenium, it is what it is. Blessed be thy emperor

[celest vine]

Marines are also sort of seprate from the general command structure

Only really the high lords and inquisitors can command them

[slow spade]

Trazyn learns from the Blood Ravens UwU

[serene sage]

the Emperor needs to re-invent Excel before making a highspeed gate way to get Eldar gfs tbh

priorities, man

[celest vine]

Oh and their primarch cause daddy issues

[serene sage]

the Emp was too horny to consider logistics

[untold mulch]

Dumb af, but at least I get a Primarch doing it because they are silly

[fresh grail]

1000000 marines total i don't mind in lore. Most of the war is fought by the normal humans and they writers can make up any numbers they want for the size of the guard

[untold mulch]

GUARD GETS IT DONE

[serene sage]

stupid abominable intelligence

[slow spade]

"There's more guardsmen than atoms on the planet"

[celest vine]

Marines pop up when theres genuinely no hope

[untold mulch]

Fr

The base of the pyramid of needs 🙏

[celest vine]

Even then its if they actually can be bothered

[untold mulch]

WHOEVER HASN'T

READ THIS

[harsh yacht]

Do you explode when you overcharge the plasma gun?

[crisp bronze]

Knowing big E he probably made Guilliman have the biological equivalent of excel coded in his brain through Psychic shenanigains and that's why he's the best at logistics.

[celest vine]

Vraks had like two loyalist marine battles cause no one high cared before the inquisition cared

[fresh grail]

He gave Horus google sheets instead of Excel and here we are

[celest vine]

And the dark angels fucked off when they didnt get any alpha legionaries

[slow spade]

The Emperor protects UwU

[slow spade]

Yes c:

[muted knot]

Damn that's a real deep fried meme

[untold mulch]

Its worth it

[slow spade]

I wish Chapter Master kept going :c

[harsh yacht]

Ahh i love immersion

[serene sage]

there are still more Orks

[crisp bronze]

Specifically overCharge yes. If you just use an uncharged shot it will do an automatic quick vent instead of exploding. Only a charged shot at 100% explodes.

[untold mulch]

[vernal harbor]

lowkey a horrifying sentence with and without context

[vernal harbor]

enhance

[serene sage]

Defense: Heavy

[serene sage]

more guardsmen than atoms

yeah, seems right

40k can't do numbers

[untold mulch]

Pretty sure this was a mod? of a game or a fangame

and it was a bug

[serene sage]

TYRRANIDS?

[crisp bronze]

Pretty sure there's more guardsmen than the atoms left of Cadia at least.

[serene sage]

well they stood no chance against that many guardsmen

[serene sage]

oof

[crisp bronze]

I had to do it. The Professional in me was calling

[untold mulch]

There is more guardsmen than particles in the universe

[serene sage]

I can still reed the text

[vernal harbor]

okay yea

[serene sage]

what in the cluster fuck is the Vrakian war then

[harsh yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-paul-verhoeven-robert-heinlein-want-to-live-forever-come-on-gif-23642437

[serene sage]

can't wait for Spah Muhreen 2 UwU

please don't suck
please don't suck
please don't suck

[serene sage]

Where is that arm reload scene

Y'know the one

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-mad-gif-15190384

[serene sage]

There

[vernal harbor]

just like me fr

[serene sage]

Also that guy ate 3 body shots and 3 right hooks from someone the size of Henry

And still standing

What a trooper

[vernal harbor]

im just blading and have a clean shaven face and only moderately muscular and not that tall either or have a suit like that and can’t box

he got somersaulted through a fucking bathroom mirror like 3 full entire flips before that too

im honestly glad he got shot in the head because idk what else could be done

[serene sage]

Dude is a space marine irl

By irl i mean in movie

So not irl

[vernal harbor]

Nah it was all real

[serene sage]

Idk where I'm going w this

[vernal harbor]

They just recorded the altercation

It was insane

[serene sage]

I see

[vernal harbor]

Dudes actually dead

Good movie tho so worth

[serene sage]

Dude was method acting

They just happened to have the camera rolling

[vernal harbor]

cinema is back

[finite imp]

just joined the most annoying lobby I ever have been in holy shit

i had to mute voice

[junior needle]

Did you find Carl Wheezer

I was in a lobby with 2 people doing his voice

[finite imp]

no that would have been hilarious

these 2 guys just kept making the same racist jokes but using wh40k terms instead

[junior needle]

It was, I didn't know who the voice was supposed to be until I heard "Jimmy's mom"

Did you encounter brother uncle ruckus

[finite imp]

lol idk man

can we get flashbangs instead of smoke nades for vet plz

[dusty sluice]

would this be fine with thrust and maniac or flak instead of pox dmg?

[tribal tangle]

id honestly leave the unyielding and add flak with thrust

[dusty sluice]

i wasn't going to remove unyielding

[zealous wyvern]

where is this from then?

looks good

[gaunt hinge]

is dumdum secretly being refreshed by burns?

because the buff icon wont disappear until it stops

[placid swan]

Which devil claw gets the best horde clear options for a marksmen sniper?

[dusty sluice]

mk4 is the best dclaw currently

[mellow bridge]

.

[placid swan]

Thank you

[dusty sluice]

l1 h2 repeated, or just light spam are you horde clear options

[mellow bridge]

Guys. What do you think of the new foldable shovels? A problem I find with them, they unlike the chain sword. It does not stun the target when you hit it. So you have to swing carefully not to get whacked by a crusher or rager

[finite imp]

are you using fucking light mode

[finite imp]

Try the knife lmao

we aint stunning shit

[mellow bridge]

Affirmative

[finite imp]

unhinged

[gaunt hinge]

just hit the head lmao

[junior needle]

Absolute psychopath

It's like pouring your milk in before the cereal

[raw crag]

funny tac axe

[mellow bridge]

About that. When I have cereal I leave it for about 10 minutes so it can become soggy

Before eating it

[delicate estuary]

Oh wow

Can someone ban him

[atomic sapphire]

All or Nothing on Deadshot builds are in fact, funny.

[raw crag]

hey guys, i got a joke for ya

||smoke grenade||

[atomic sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-the-best-gif-7948554

This water balloon came from the Chem Dogs.

[astral ingot]

so basically "you're wrong, sulfuric acid!"

[atomic sapphire]

Yes.

[gaunt hinge]

doing this in the meat grinder is fun

[untold mulch]

Get parried

[midnight totem]

what blessings would yall take for a lasgun

[fossil basalt]

Plain infantry lasgun? Headhunter and... what's it called, Deadly Accurate? The one that makes critical weakpoint shots do more damage

[placid swan]

Heya, I just rolled this! Im thinking swapping out the Unarmored/and Wrath?

But what would I swap them out for?

+25% flak and Wrath into Rampage?

[strange grove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-din-djarin-this-is-the-way-the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-gif-24828674

[dawn yacht]

Hey is this salvageable? I feel like it could be but there's like no resources on melee weapons for vets anywhere for some reason

[inland orchid]

Because he’s a general operator

U slap on almost anything on em and it’ll work

[junior needle]

Yeah it really depends on which one

[midnight totem]

Eh, the ia

[willow badger]

whats yalls favorite infantry las

[dawn yacht]

Sorry but that's not really true when you have optimal/functional rolls on ranged weapons

[willow badger]

trying to love mg xii and mg iv but theyre kinda meh for me

[dawn yacht]

The same should apply to melee weapons too, depending on the kit

[inland orchid]

Sounds to me u got the wrong spirit in purging, but to each their own

[junior needle]

Perks are pretty bad, and for blessings you want uncanny and something else. Lacerate is a trap blessing and ruthless is typically not run with uncanny

[strange grove]

MK4, I like carpal tunnel

[willow badger]

i got autofire no worries

[midnight totem]

I had been using my old IA lasgun with opening Salvo and headhunter, seemed to work well enough

[willow badger]

ia has been pretty baller for me ngl

[dawn yacht]

MKay thanks

[junior needle]

1a is the favored infantry lasgun post buff

[thick wolf]

hold on, what should I change on this shovel again?

[junior needle]

Has the most dps, still hits a good amount of one shots too

[strange grove]

I need to roll a great 1A

Use my 105k plasteel

[willow badger]

u guys running it with like exec stance and MF?

[strange grove]

I like shout and focus tag

[fossil basalt]

I'd personally swap Lacerate for Mercy Killer and work Serrated Blade into your talent pool and bump stamina off for +maniac

[jolly hemlock]

shout just too good a free get out of jail card

[strange grove]

With krak and tinkerer too. Get rekt thammer zealots

[junior needle]

Shout and tag are the most universally valuable

[strange grove]

Krak + tinkerer + focus stacks is what 10k damage? 8k?

[fresh grail]

Up and at them! I want to hear them scream

the +12% overal damage boost for the team you can get from focus fire is very nice, always love it when someone brings it

[junior needle]

Uncanny would give much more consistent value, and each stack is 6% damage at t4 in the worst case scenario on a 100% mod target. Plus maniac is only really useful for naked ragers, which are better off shot at this point.

[willow badger]

worth grabbing the 8 instead of 5 stacks upgrade to focus?

[tall torrent]

Target down ≈ redirect fire > 8 stacks

[fresh grail]

if you can spare the points, i've started to take all 4 focus target points lately. It's really hard to argue against something better since its a team buff

[junior needle]

Seems like most don't take the 8 stacks outside of psykanium warrior showcases

[fresh grail]

If you don't take redirect fire dont bother with 8 stacks imo

[willow badger]

heres what i got rn

[tall torrent]

8 stacks is usually only 4.5% more dmg out of redirect fire

[junior needle]

I wouldnt bother with 8 stacks if you're pinging everything you kill

You won't even get to it most of the time

[fresh grail]

Also helps a lot when tagging boss since its 32% damage instead of 20%

it's situationally useful for sure, whereas 5 stacks is always useful. But i can see many use cases for 8 stacks, i prefer it personally

[fresh grail]

4.5% damage to the entire team is nothing to scoff at

[willow badger]

alright 8 stacks or spec over to precision strike

[junior needle]

It's basically just bosses, or for the first priority target once the shooting starts

Then you're running minimum stacks if you ping everything

[willow badger]

whats typically the best to use focus? ping everything or save em up

[junior needle]

Ping everything

Consistent damage boost

[fresh grail]

When spam pinging the only bonus from 8 stacks becomes the redirect fire bonus going from 7.5% to 12%, so it's up to you if you think 8 stacks are worth it if you are spam pinging

[junior needle]

Unless you're using a breakpoint dependant gun that doesn't need it for those breakpoints

Then avoid pinging those targets

On automatics just ping

[tall torrent]

It’s there, but it’s like, diminishing returns vs just taking redirect fire (+7.5%)

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair 4.5% isn't alot, but yeah in terms of your whole team sure

[tall torrent]

Usually could be spent on something else nicer

[willow badger]

does the redirect fire buff stack

[fresh grail]

Moreso the fact of going from 7.5% team damage buff to 12% team damage buff. It depends on the team for sure on how useful it is, but assail and flame psykers will love you for taking that boost

[terse idol]

No, it refreshes

[willow badger]

i see

[tall torrent]

Like, stack between different veterans? Not sure

[terse idol]

So if you maintain 8 stacks, you'll refresh 8 stacks reagardless of how many stacks you stacked on that target

[fresh grail]

it doesn't stack between different veterans unless you have different max stacks, its a bit weird

[willow badger]

alright here's what i got now with shout+longshot

[tall torrent]

U sure u need 10% rending?

[fresh grail]

he way i treat focus fire is that if i'm going a support build may aswell take the full damage buff for the whole team with 8 stacks. It's up to you of course if you want to spend the points elsewhere, it's still an extremely good ability with 5 stacks

[willow badger]

havent calculated breakpoints. any other alternatives?

[tall torrent]

20% Ogryn/monster is usually better

[fresh grail]

rending is very much gun dependent, though generally the extra rending helps a lot when going frag grenade spam build

[willow badger]

that applies to melee too?

[placid swan]

Is Focus Target more optimal than Marksman Focus? While we're on the topic

[tall torrent]

20%ogryn/monster applies to every bit of damage u do

[tall torrent]

Really depends on the gun, whether it has a high finesse multiplier or not

[placid swan]

Where can I find that stat? Was looking for it yesterday with no luck

[tall torrent]

If your gun does significantly more headshot dmg than bodyshot, then it has a high finesse multiplier

[fresh grail]

I really find the team value of focus target hard to match with any build in the game really, maybe support zealot can get close. Can make anything work of course, just more the question of what are you trying to make work

[placid swan]

Ahh, okay thanks

[tall torrent]

Ex: laspistol

[willow badger]

so high finesse multiplier, MF good

?

[tall torrent]

You want a weapon that not only does a ton more weakpoint damage compared to bodyshot, but also crits very frequently

[granite granite]

what perks should i switch on the shovel?

[stuck gorge]

Focus target could help the one zealot going for a monstrosity (near) one tap build fully one tap it

[tall torrent]

I think prime 2 examples are
Vraks3 headhunter
Mk2 laspistol

[fresh grail]

Yeah, a 32% damage boost + 12% damage from redirect fire, and then you also have the shield and stamina regen it gives. Bit insane

[tall torrent]

It’s a very generalist good pick because it’s just extra damage and often gives better breakpoints

[tall torrent]

It’s very hard to get full 8 stack tag on top of full redirect fire stacks

[junior needle]

It can be, but like, why do a song and dance with MF when you can just ping things instead.

Especially since straight damage>finesse damage due to calculations

[fresh grail]

in auric you are always at max redirect fire stacks, thats no problem. The max 8 focus fire stacks is only for bosses but thats fine

[torpid sundial]

The more I use helbore 3 the better I get at it and swapping around melee when needed. Basically infinite ammo too

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire lasts 10s
Focus fire gains stacks at supposedly 1 per 2s

[torpid sundial]

I tried helbore 2 again but the damage was lacking compared to 3

[fresh grail]

redirect fire always reapplies at the max value even when you only kill an enemy with 1 tag stack

or if you spam ping targets with 1 stack it keeps going up from every stack

[tall torrent]

Are u sure

[fresh grail]

yes

[tall torrent]

If u ping an enemy with 1 stack and kill it, it gives 5 redirect fire stacks?

[fresh grail]

it's at 8 constantly in the mission, you can check the buffs at the bottom

[torpid sundial]

yeah but the left side toughness regen doesnt regen max toughness. EVEN THOUGH THE DAMAGE BUFF AND THE TOUGHNESS HAS THE EXACT SAME TEXT PHRASING

fatshark pls

[fresh grail]

if you kill an enemy with 3 stacks you get 3 stacks, then you kill an enemy with 4 stacks while redirect fire is still on 3 stacks the buff goes to 7 stacks, if that makes sense. Up to your maximum focus target stacks

[torpid sundial]

imagine getting 40% toughness and stamina for the entire team for every single elite/special kill

[tall torrent]

I know it refreshes till max stacks, u said it applies at max value from 1 tagged kill

[fresh grail]

if you apply an 8 stack on a target yes

[torpid sundial]

it refreshes the max stacks damage buff

[fresh grail]

once its at max stack you only need to refresh it

[tall torrent]

It’s usually not 40%

[torpid sundial]

at 8 stacks its at 40% I mean

[tall torrent]

It’s much harder to get 8 stacks frequently

[torpid sundial]

and it has the same phrasing as Redirect Fire

[fresh grail]

you dont need 8 stacks, only for bosses.

[inland orchid]

But I want 8 stacks

[fresh grail]

Your bonk zealot will thank you for applying those to the plague ogryn

[torpid sundial]

yeah I found 8 stacks to be really nice

[tall torrent]

The main use is that
Killing a tagged enemy resets your stacks to a minimum of 2
So target down will pretty much always be at 2 stacks of 5%, so 10% toughness and 10% stamina for every tagged kill

[torpid sundial]

the damage buff you give to the entire team is insane

[tall torrent]

The 40% only really exists at start of fight

[fresh grail]

yeah but thats fine

[willow badger]

you guys have convinced me to go focus now

[fresh grail]

it's not about getting back an instant 40% every tag, it's about regening 5% toughness and 5% stamina every 2 seconds for the whole team

[tall torrent]

It’s 10% not 5%

Because minimum reset is 2 stacks

[torpid sundial]

which scales off difficulty levels

[fresh grail]

ah fair

well min 10% then

[tall torrent]

And it’s 10% for whole team

That’s why target down so good

U just keep tagging specials and popping them

[fresh grail]

TLDR; all 4 focus target talents are good 🤤

[tall torrent]

8 stacks not as good as target down or redirect fire but works for a dedicated support build

[willow badger]

does reciprocity proc for literally any dodge

[fresh grail]

8 stacks and redirect fire are the ones you can swap out for something else indeed, but thats the fun of making builds

[willow badger]

or just ones where you ac6tually dodge an attack

[tall torrent]

Has to be a manual input dodge

[junior needle]

Doesn't work for dodge states like sprinting and ghost

[tall torrent]

Where u dodge an attack

[willow badger]

fk so you actually have to be attacked

man that'd be op if it was just any dodge

[tall torrent]

It’s good for melee

[junior needle]

You have to be attacked or shot and actually manually dodge

Trickier with being shot

[thick wolf]

which melee is best suited for vet infiltrate?

[torpid sundial]

I still havent found a perfect melee weapon to go with helbore 3. Not sure if shovel is better or chainsword. I kind of want something with really good crowd control but also damage potential for elites in my face when it happens

[willow badger]

debating between taking precision strike, trench fighter, deadshot, reciprocity, or duck and dive with my favorite points

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado gives u almost as much crit chance in melee as blazing piety zealot

[willow badger]

power sword

[muted knot]

Sounds like chainsword to me

[willow badger]

i am a power sword stan

[junior needle]

LACERATE
FLESH TEARER
COMBAT BLADE

[muted knot]

Read as: I'm a metaslave

[torpid sundial]

Power sword is kinda slow af so I'm not that much of a fan

and its not great at wave clear when you dont charge it up

[thick wolf]

sooo combat blade?

[torpid sundial]

which doesnt happen when you're getting swarmed

[junior needle]

No, that was a joke

Don't actually use lacerate and fleshtearer especially on vet

[muted knot]

Chainsword is the way brother, slap rampage and wrath on it

[low lava]

Everything is meta when you're good enough, like bleed knife and recon lasguns 🙂

[junior needle]

Fleshtearer is fine as a second blessing on zealot though

[muted knot]

Flak is mandatory

[torpid sundial]

chainsword it is ig

[willow badger]

get pc4 and always charge it up

[tall torrent]

What’s ur whole build looking like

[torpid sundial]

I dont have pc4

[thick wolf]

so which melee is best suited for vet infiltrate then?

[muted knot]

"get pc4"

[torpid sundial]

for the 200 hours I've been playing

I have never seen a pc4

[willow badger]

i am spoiled i got pc4 like as my second blessing upgrading a ps

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is ironically ok

[torpid sundial]

I just go "fuck power swords"

chainaxe is amazing but it doesnt have the best wave clear

[torpid sundial]

so I dont want it for my helbore

[willow badger]

still tinkering around

[junior needle]

Behold my 465 dps punisher, I take it into every auric game

[torpid sundial]

catachan is amazing waveclear but it can't deal with carapace

[tall torrent]

Which weapons are u using

[willow badger]

inf las + ps6

[thick wolf]

I only have a chainsword

[torpid sundial]

which chainsword's better for waveclear

🤔

[tall torrent]

Take suppression immunity

[junior needle]

Probably the new one

[muted knot]

Technically it's the newer one I think but it feels awful

Imo

[junior needle]

It has more wide light attacks

Than the old one

[willow badger]

doe suppression immunity also prevent gunner stunlocks

[junior needle]

No

You need stun immunity for that

Suppression immunity keeps your sight from being wobbly when being shot at

[tall torrent]

No but u can shoot straight while getting shot

[torpid sundial]

I have a bunch of really high base rated axes I bought that I havent found a use for yet either

[muted knot]

You got a Mk3 Hellbore brother you can just shoot the crusher

[tall torrent]

Which is pretty important for infantry lasguns

[torpid sundial]

yes yes I know but like I want to move around with a melee if I'm getting swarmed by 5 crushers

Sometimes it happens

[tall torrent]

Mk3 helbore is just super limiting

[torpid sundial]

Ideally I'd kill them from like 50m away

Nah Idk

Ive gotten much better at it

since the first game I played with helbore 3

[muted knot]

I personally don't vibe with the 3

It ghosts too many inputs

[torpid sundial]

I used the 3 so much I cant even vibe with the 2 any longer

cursed

[tall torrent]

Mk2 is the hardest to roll out of the three

[torpid sundial]

I'm just trying to find surgical 4 for my helbore 3 at this point

well this isnt going well

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

Bloodletter is okay-ish extra dps on bosses

[torpid sundial]

okay this is usable I dont mind infested

for better wave clear

[tall torrent]

U just need rampage

[torpid sundial]

I can swap both blessings I think

carapace and infested is alright

[tall torrent]

I don’t think bloodletter 4 is that bad but u can do whatever tbh

[torpid sundial]

anything with flak I'm usually killing with helbore

[midnight totem]

Bloodletter4 is pretty good

[turbid jasper]

+14% with special attack

[midnight totem]

Nice for guaranteeing something dies on a special attack

[muted knot]

It's for bruisers when girdeclearing

[tall torrent]

14 stacks of bleed is not bad in terms of damage

[torpid sundial]

okay 14 bleed is pretty good but I'm still mostly using it for a waveclear

[torn talon]

do you need to get the kill shot on a special for tactical awareness to trigger, or should it trigger off ally kills?

[tall torrent]

U need to get the kill

[midnight totem]

And it's very good on bosses and assassination targets

[torpid sundial]

Like I want 70% waveclear 30% burst in case I need it

But still usable on other builds I guess 🤔

[turbid jasper]

i mean mine has block efficancy 20%,5%melee crit with bloodletter 4. just need shred

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter chainsword is fine for both horde clear and some boss dps

[torpid sundial]

isnt special attack just the rev

[tall torrent]

You’ll do better on maulers too because bleed ticks off the torso dmg of enemies so you don’t get the nasty carapace 50% bleed dmg limitation

You’ll still struggle vs crushers but that’s just a chainsword problem

[tall torrent]

Rev into any atk

[turbid jasper]

i need to get lucky on the weapon lottery. with shred starting at 2.5% then builds to a 4% at tier 4 gain which in turn stacks up to 5 times. not bad on a cadia mk

[muted knot]

Honestly tho there's usually someone in the team who can handle crushers

[torpid sundial]

I usually do that, and there's usually someone else too but I just want a really versatile weapon ig

[muted knot]

Fair enough

Can't be prepared enough

[tall torrent]

It’s versatile enough for your build

If you want extra good you’re gonna be sinking loads of resources into combat axes

[torpid sundial]

like my shovel is so comfy in that I take no damage but it takes forever to kill a horde

and it knocks them away so much

[turbid jasper]

i need to find me better mission buddy's.

[muted knot]

If you want true versatility you'll have to get a mk 6 Powersword since it can kill all enemy's really well

[torpid sundial]

I dont even have PC3 on that power sword

[tall torrent]

Which shovel u using

[junior needle]

You need wrath and rampage to actually proc rampage consistently. The lights don't have enough cleave to natively hit 3 bruisers.

[muted knot]

Then the cs is your best bet

[tall torrent]

Oh, too bad

Guess he’ll have to change both blessings then

Mk4 I think can proc rampage on any heavy?

Horde enemies

[slate sleet]

i love how mutants sometimes simply dont care and toss people off ledges into instant death

[junior needle]

4 can yes, although it's annoying to do so.

[turbid jasper]

is there anything better then the magnacore. im honestly getting sick of it

[torpid sundial]

imagine using magnacore

[junior needle]

You can technically get around that with the heavy 3 on the 13g but that's a fairly big ask

[tall torrent]

Another reason mk4 > mk13g lol

[turbid jasper]

i just read a guide and the recomended a magnacore

[muted knot]

Columnus probably

[tall torrent]

You can use loads of weapons rn

[muted knot]

But only cause it's heavily overtuned

[slate sleet]

wtf is a magnacore

who calls it a magnacore

[torpid sundial]

the plasma gun

[turbid jasper]

yeah but its really slow, and most the randoms i play with get into issues and i gotta play captian save a hoe

[muted knot]

And you really don't need to be that picky, all the lasguns are viable, revolver is really good too

[white minnow]

the infantry and braced autoguns are my favorite for the moment

[torpid sundial]

Honestly I think the reason why I can comfortably use my helbore 3 is because I can take all the grenade talents

and throwing 3 grenades every other fight

is very fun

[turbid jasper]

being level 18 i cant get that

[slate sleet]

go level up then

[vernal harbor]

Mission impossible ghost protocol I think

[muted knot]

Oh yeah just get to 30 first

[turbid jasper]

the revolver i mean

[turbid jasper]

would if i didnt get failure as much

[muted knot]

What difficulty are you playing ?

If you say anything above 3 I will call a inquisition strike team on your current location

[turbid jasper]

your gonna call me weak, but casual or 2 bar

[muted knot]

No that's completely fair

[tall torrent]

Ok honest suggestion go lvl to 30 then start to think abt builds

[muted knot]

At that level just learn the game and try out all the weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s much harder to make a proper build without the necessary talents

[placid swan]

Any recommendations for rerolls?

[turbid jasper]

oh no i know the game well enough. its just them randoms i get paired with dont exactly stick together

[muted knot]

If you are struggeling to do a 2 it will come to down to a skill issue and I don't mean any offense in that

[junior needle]

At the very least go vicious>rampage

[muted knot]

There's lots of stuff to learn in this game

[slate sleet]

why cant we use hotshot lasguns? look how much fun this guy is having its not fair

god i love stinky enemies

so funny every time

[iron marten]

ouch

[muted knot]

For real

[iron marten]

green gunner

[muted knot]

That man is loving life

[junior needle]

fortshork said no fun allowed

If you want an automatic lasgun you have to suffer stinky dps

[turbid jasper]

thats happend to me about 5 times in the last week

[crude ermine]

That ogryn just let it happen

[slate sleet]

he was meleeing him thinking it would stagger

stinky enemies do not care

[placid swan]

Got it, and for the perks would I swap out that unarmred to flak?

[junior needle]

For the best horde clear yes

Maniac is only useful on melee if you actually fight naked ragers with it regularly

Which is not a feasible way of dealing with rager packs

[white minnow]

live your life with the pewpew mod to give your autoguns lasers

[placid swan]

Sweet many thanks

[fresh grail]

I've been running a support Braced Autogun build for a good while now, it works great and has infinite ammo for mowing down hordes.
But you can make any gun work in the current patch, don't be afraid to experiment

[untold mulch]

I swear when I installed it just me

or autoguns accuracy actually was worse?

Its weird but at least the ver I downloaded

I got with autoguns spread like it was CSGO

[white minnow]

maybe the lasers are making it harder for you to aim or the lasers are revealing how inaccurate the hipfire is

[turbid jasper]

sounds perfect for soloquing

[untold mulch]

but back to autogun, the spread visually was normal

[zealous wyvern]

thank you

[untold mulch]

Would need to rienstall and do a video

[fresh grail]

Yeah its good for quickplay. survivalist aura + 25% ammo talent and you can use any braced autogun from the get-go, no need for good blessings* or perks

[white minnow]

for me, it made me realise how accurate the brautos were

[willow badger]

ok focus target is fkn cracked

i think i may need to go for the 8 stacks tho

[spark helm]

Always has been

[fresh grail]

when you hit that sniper from 80m away with a crit headshot

[spark helm]

With and without the bigger bonus

[willow badger]

there's been enough lull in between pingable t argets to get the 8 stacks

[slate sleet]

nope focus target bad

[spark helm]

Who could've guessed that saltzpyre tag is stupid

[slate sleet]

12% dmg at all times bad

32% dmg on bosses bad

[willow badger]

true could be 50%

[slate sleet]

gotta take weapons expert for uuuuuh

[white minnow]

spraying and praying in the vague direction of a bomber far away and it gets taken down in 3 skillful and intended shots 😎

[fresh grail]

if your build isn't made only for killing specialists it's not worth talking about 😤

[willow badger]

each of those three bullets guided by the emperor

[spark helm]

Mine aren't.

I do just fine.

I'm alsonlying just because I can.

[willow badger]

also i forget to put my +3 stamina on and felt slow as hell

[frank basin]

what is this do in Devil Claw?

[fresh grail]

A couple days ago you said in the chat here to mute the people who were obviously antagonistic and just looking to argue for the sake of arguing, it's worked out well, can have a discussion in here now
Wanted to thank you for the tip

[spark helm]

Weapon specialist is fun

[fresh grail]

Impact is stagger

[spark helm]

Glad they actually thre it in the right tree since that made right tree much more interesting, let alone better.

[slate sleet]

its a public discord so the assdragging will be high no matter what

[proven nest]

Anyone remember their first Brautogun enlightenment experience when they shredded a monstrosity's health for the first time?

[muted knot]

Why can ,out see their message then ? Lol

[spark helm]

Not really. I used one on q zealot but then swapped to melee.

[frank basin]

how it work like? hitting same enemies?

like deathblow?

[untold mulch]

Just reinstalled PewPew

No longer happening wtf?

I swear when I used it last month or so, the recoil was actually worse with the particle activated and was better when off

Wtf

Okay nvm, the visual effect is a lie, it looks worse but you still hitting, is a bad visual help

[slate sleet]

its just very hard to grasp the concept that the gun balance right now is pretty good if you dont count the few massive offenders that will get nerfed soon

[fresh grail]

Any gun is usable and people come in here asking 'how can i make this recon lasgun work', and everyone goes haywire.

[spark helm]

Its good enough to actually branch out. Lots of people just don't want to.

[slate sleet]

had some goon come in earlier today all greened up asking why the IAG's are so bad when hes level 14

[spark helm]

Plenty of builds that work just fine, maybe with some more effort but whatever.

[low lava]

Hot Take: Make ammo infinite anyways because people die to getting buttstabbed by poxwalkers

[spark helm]

Some people like to play super safe and that's fine.

[low lava]

fixes scavenger and gun balancing around ammo at once 🙂

[spark helm]

Can also just not give a fuck about it and Olay without it.

[slate sleet]

some people will do anything to take the game out of the game

[tall torrent]

Every enemy hit by the same 1 attack will suffer 20% more stagger from additional hits

[low lava]

maining ranged only is without meleeing ever is harder than doing melee only, might as well remove the ammo constraint there

[frank basin]

so is like deathblow?

[muted knot]

I don't understand why the basic sword is a impact weapon

[spark helm]

All melee do impact on dome level is why

[tall torrent]

Deathblow is different
If a weakpoint hit kills an enemy, you can hit the next 3 enemies with no cleave damage falloff. Weakpoint bonus also increased by 15%

[spark helm]

Plus, idk, getting hit with swords forces your body to fold

[muted knot]

Yeah but like

[turbid jasper]

swords are for slashing

[frank basin]

i remember it was add impact on hitting enemy

[muted knot]

Why does it get so many impact blessings

[spark helm]

Swords are for killing let's not.

[white minnow]

deathblow is brutal momentum but cooler (they do the exact same thing)

[spark helm]

Like actually

Getting hit with a fuckiny sword, slashed or not, will make someone move according to the pain and actual impact

[frank basin]

@tall torrent Hammerblow*, so vicious slice like hammerblow something?

[muted knot]

I know that but that's not really a point is it

[spark helm]

Its not, I was talking to someone else.

[tall torrent]

They’re both impact (stagger) related blessings

[frank basin]

vicious slice function different

[spark helm]

Idk what sword is being talked about anyway but it's really whatever. The impact blessings work similarly to stagger talents in vt2

[tall torrent]

Hammerblow buffs your own stagger (like how headtaker builds stacks and buffs ur own dmg)

[spark helm]

Just literally moved to a blessing.

[willow badger]

will i be forgiven for rebinding tag to my fire if i'm running focus

[spark helm]

It's very normal in context

[tall torrent]

No

[spark helm]

You really don't need to.

[frank basin]

okay so it apply to enemy reduce their stagger resistance for vicious slice?

[fresh grail]

do not bind tag to fire, you will be condemned by the emperor

[gusty bison]

Recon go brrrrt

[slate sleet]

you dont want to spam focus fire

[untold mulch]

@white minnow Just tested, at least with Agri and columnus auto

The visual effect of the lasgun beam and the autogun projectile desync if you burst long enough

That was what was throwing me off

[spark helm]

You can just get used to weaving your pings in between targets.

[slate sleet]

keep the 12% going at all times but save up a bunch for bosses

[tall torrent]

Hammerblow buffs you and gives ur weapon extra stagger based on how many hits you’ve landed with the weapon

[spark helm]

Ping one, kill one, ping next.

[slate sleet]

ill let the 12% drop if it means putting 8 stacks on the boss

[sacred spindle]

I've just found my copy of the O.G. Veteran guide

[frank basin]

i means vicious slice.

[spark helm]

It's whatever. The stacks for dmg are cumulative

[untold mulch]

Gold

[tall torrent]

Vicious slice doesn’t reduce stagger resistance, it just makes them take extra stagger

[spark helm]

I'll ping a boss whenever, sometimes refresh it. I don't care, the boss or whatever else is getting information highlights.

Red or yellow.

[frank basin]

kinda confusion with that compare to hammerblow

[muted knot]

That's straight money right there

[tall torrent]

Vicious slice:
Every enemy hit by the same 1 attack will take extra stagger on follow-up hits

Hammerblow:
Hitting any enemy grant yourself stacks that buff how much stagger you deal

[white minnow]

oh with the infantry autoguns when ADSing?

[untold mulch]

mHMM

[white minnow]

yeah that was super disappointing when i slapped lasers onto them

[untold mulch]

I think even hipfire

[untold mulch]

you cna still make it work

but you are gonna have a hard time aiming

[frank basin]

hmmm

[fair kite]

does dying completely kill the make every shot count penance?

[inland orchid]

I mean dying shouldn’t effect accuracy, right?

[white minnow]

i have a crosshair when ADSing so that breaks the illusion completely and i just get disoriented when the tracers don't go where the crosshair is

big sad

[untold mulch]

Same, I had it as poor man hellgun with brauto, but the visual recoil bug was so annoying

Will later try to remember to log on Nexus to see if the dude still active to fix it

@white minnow Just turned off the game but I just thought

[white minnow]

i haven't needed to take the lasers off lately since i've just been on the brauto grindset and not using any other weapon lately

[untold mulch]

try to change the lasgun beam?

Maybe one works?

[white minnow]

i think i tried all variants and they all had the same problem

[untold mulch]

Fuck

[white minnow]

even the non-lasgun beams had that problem

like the ripper trail and whatnot

[untold mulch]

I think is intrinsic of the particle effect of lasguns

if you fire the Recon

it does the same, at some point it starts just going up and side to side for no reason

but at least there I think the hitbox is still correct?

[untold mulch]

Oh, then is a mod issue

100%

[turbid jasper]

im probaly fucking up somewhere

[muted knot]

Yes you are

You care too much about upgrading/buying stuff before you are level 30

Also block efficiency is pretty terrible

Crit chance also pretty underwhelming

[muted knot]

The reason why we say that is because you will get higher power weapons once you are level 30 and all the upgrades you made on the way there will be wortless

You also won't get higher rank blessings when upgrading low power gear

[fresh grail]

good idea to first get to level 30 first before asking for build info or talent because it doesn't really matter too much before then yeah

[fair kite]

whats the lowest a shotguns ammo count can go?

[muted knot]

You can inspect it on the individual weapon

Press V to see the weapon overview and hover the ammo stat

It shows min and max values but you usually can't get the max value since that would be 100% and current weapons only for to 80%

[torpid sundial]

eeh...

[willow badger]

which combat axe is the preferred rn

[terse idol]

Rashad

[muted knot]

Bloodletter to rampage carapace to flak and you got a really solid hordeclear weapon

Actually

Find out if you can hit 3 targets at once

Cause if you can't hit that neither SS nor rampage can proc

[torpid sundial]

Yeah I dont think I can even do that against the flak melees

lol

[muted knot]

Well usually you don't just face bruisers

But it's a possibility

The problem with the new CS is that you don't have horizontal heavies

With the old one you can trigger it on H1

[torpid sundial]

ah

[muted knot]

And after that just let loose with lights

[torpid sundial]

how important is finesse 🤔

for the chainsword

[muted knot]

Pretty important on any weapon that has it

I'd go for the right one

[torpid sundial]

man, alright I'll try the right one

yea

[muted knot]

Why the fuck you have so many high state Grey's ?

[torpid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/525594391952490506.webp?size=48&name=Penthsmile&quality=lossless

[inland orchid]

The power of wasting copious amount of ordos

[wraith locust]

have you heard of brunts

[sacred spindle]

I realised the other day the inspect screen is actually pretty useful for telling you numbers

And telling you what the mystery stats do

[torpid sundial]

most of them are from camping the hourly shop

[inland orchid]

It is a sacrifice we’re all willing to take

[muted knot]

I have but I also have some sanity left

[torpid sundial]

This is probably better tbh

Doesnt matter though I'm out of plasteel

as usual

[fiery plinth]

So…

[thick wolf]

Holy bajesus full damage bar

[fiery plinth]

What’s a good horde clear melee weapon?

[thick wolf]

Rip mobility tho

[torpid sundial]

mobility is a dump stat

its fine

[odd sparrow]

mobility above 50 is usually pointless

[wraith locust]

rashad, ps

[thick wolf]

Meanwhile I got shit gacha luck with ia lasguns

[muted knot]

Yes

[muted knot]

Chainsword

[torpid sundial]

but its 3:30am so I gotta stop

[fiery plinth]

What Mark

[muted knot]

Both but I prefer he old one

The one that isn't the mkXIIIg

[slow spade]

as if you have a choice beyond what Hadron gives you

[fresh grail]

i'm overdue for an uncanny strike, next roll will be it i'm sure

just one more consecrate

[muted knot]

[slow spade]

Uncanny Strike 1 UwU

[fiery plinth]

Is penetration for power sword a dump stat?

[muted knot]

Not really

[wraith locust]

wdym

by penetration

[inland orchid]

Probs the modifier stat

[muted knot]

Penetration isn't even a modifier on PS is it ?

[inland orchid]

I don’t think so either

I think it got diff modifier name for the pen

[wraith locust]

it does not have pen as a stat

[fiery plinth]

Nvm

[muted knot]

It has cleave damage

Finesse

[fresh grail]

cleave targets you mean? once its powered up it slices through anythin

[fiery plinth]

I probably read it as something else

[muted knot]

Cleave target would be a dump stat yes

[white minnow]

yeah since it's 11.7 cleave at 80% cleave targets on special attacks, and 10.9 cleave at 60% cleave targets

so a pretty nothingburgers difference esp since you're above the threshold to cleave a scab rager/mauler (10 hitmass) anyways

[sacred spindle]

yay or nay? Would need to grind some melkbucks

[tall torrent]

Usable not great

[knotty hill]

What is the best infantry autogun?

[willow badger]

most people will say ciag

[inland orchid]

Heard good things bout Agrippa

Slower than Columbus but can out snipe snipers

[willow badger]

i think they both are great it probably boils down a lot to preference

[inland orchid]

Yea the beauty of vet, the copious amount of options

[muted knot]

No

[sacred spindle]

stats nice, perks / blessings suck?

[muted knot]

Ciag just outpaces the others by sheer dps

[timber raven]

columnus is the most DPS easily

throw on dumdum and nothing will outclass it close up

[wraith locust]

dumdum still bugged?

[untold mulch]

Yes

CIAG is gonna get the bonk probably though

[fiery plinth]

Ehh… Still debating on a good horde clearing weapon

I’ve not had much luck with the rolls on most of em

[junior needle]

CIAG is the highest dps automatic in the game

[placid swan]

Would I be correct in deducing that this weapon has high finesse?

[junior needle]

Generally speaking, over 2x is considered high finesse

[placid swan]

Ah so my sniper infantry lasgun dream lives 🙂

[junior needle]

They are headhunting weapons

Not exactly a lot of variety in gameplay there

[timber raven]

ok im sick of the hellbore. whats a good setup for a revolver to fill out my sniper loadout

[tall torrent]

They’re ok however I will say

For infantry lasguns

Which are usually pretty breakpoint focused weapons

Getting a little more damage out of each shot but not changing shots to kill

Not the biggest difference maker

[thick wolf]

Do you really need to minmax your gear for Damnation

[frank basin]

man braced autogun close range is 7m away, shortest like gun melee.

[thick wolf]

Because I'm not having the best luck with randoms rn

[umbral scaffold]

Nope

[idle carbon]

for regular damnation not really, just get weapons you're comfortable with using on your build
prioritize blessings on them over perks

[umbral scaffold]

Just do it for fun

[muted knot]

No

[umbral scaffold]

Can clear auric damnation with some pretty bad gear

I did it with a white gun recently

[terse idol]

Not too much, it'll make it easier if you do

[muted knot]

Most important is that you know how to play with your team and that you are confident in the weapons you use, know what fights you can take

[umbral scaffold]

But it's a combination of pubs + how good you are

[terse idol]

But otherwise like

[umbral scaffold]

The worse the pubs

The better you need to be

[terse idol]

There are just a few weapons I'd recommend min maxing before going to damnation

Rashad for example

[umbral scaffold]

And of course a small factor of luck

[terse idol]

Ducks

Suck

Without BM

[umbral scaffold]

Because if you're bringing like Claw and it's melee auric

[terse idol]

And the break point for unarmoured scab bruiser

[umbral scaffold]

Uhh
Good luck

[sullen merlin]

Do Vets have any kind of weapon guide like Ogryns do?

[muted knot]

Sadly not

[thick wolf]

I'm mainly ia lasguns and shovel dude, occasionally switching to revolver, shotgun or autogun every now and then

[umbral scaffold]

But honestly if you're good with psword 6

[terse idol]

Those will all work out of the box on damantion

[umbral scaffold]

You can probably solo an entire auric with it if you're confident enough

[terse idol]

I would say, see if you can hit a break point on scab gunners

[umbral scaffold]

Psword 6 can solo Crushers in small numbers with no issue

[terse idol]

If you're doing exe and focus target

Otherwise you'll be okay

[umbral scaffold]

And kill hordes without much effort

[sullen merlin]

Okay, then just a single question - Power Sword with Cycler or Mark 1 Devil Claw, which is better for AOE?

[wanton dawn]

Psword 6 can solo horde of crusher as well

[terse idol]

Power sword with cycler

[crude ermine]

No contest

[umbral scaffold]

Psword is always better in most aspects other than dodge

Only real downside to it

You'll dodge like a cripple

[terse idol]

Yes defensively Psword has bad defense options

Dlclaw with the holes slaps

[sullen merlin]

Which mark power sword has better attack angles?

[umbral scaffold]

But it's what you pay for for being able to clear mixed hordes with food rhythm

[umbral scaffold]

Newer one / psword 6

[muted knot]

Mk6

[modest sapphire]

anyone have a clip of the professionals voice of command audio with the scion helm?

[umbral scaffold]

Lights are horde clear horizontal

[idle carbon]

mk3 has better attack angles, but mk6 can 2-tap crushers with powered push attack and overhead combo

[sullen merlin]

Thank you brothers, now i will play the Brunt and Hadron loterry xD

[umbral scaffold]

And push shove + light is a stab + overhead

[crude ermine]

I don't however I will say this

[umbral scaffold]

I don't even think the og has better cycles personally

[crude ermine]

The abilities will not have a different voice unlike everything

[terse idol]

Also second I wouldn't personally take Delclaw mk1

[umbral scaffold]

OG is weird diagonal slashes

[crude ermine]

Like the shout will use the helmetless vet voice but everything else will use the filter

For some reason

[terse idol]

The one with the holes or the last dclaw has good combos

[umbral scaffold]

Newer one is horizontal which is all perfect weak spot hits to the head

[thick wolf]

Sounds more like a bug to me

[umbral scaffold]

Older one needs heavies for horizontals

[crude ermine]

Definitely is

[umbral scaffold]

Yeh it probably is

[modest sapphire]

ive heard this is only when heard by teamates. the person playing professional doesnt seem to have this problem

[crude ermine]

Hmm

Interesting

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe

It's a nice helmet tbf

[terse idol]

Really,m

[umbral scaffold]

But I'm not a big fan of the distorted audio

[terse idol]

I have ut and when I use voc

I can hear the modulated voice from my char

[crude ermine]

Everyone else heard your standard voice

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[crude ermine]

Ig only YOU hear the modulated

[terse idol]

Weiiird

[umbral scaffold]

It's probably just Fatshark things

[crude ermine]

FS moment

[terse idol]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

That helmet doesn't even have an armor set yet

[sullen merlin]

Power Cycler only has the tier 3 version? Or does it have a tier 4 version too?

[terse idol]

Cause even the zealot helmet that changes your voice properly modulates it eh?

[modest sapphire]

its a bug on the professional voice specifically and only from the teamates perspective. I still wanna hear what it sounds like.

[umbral scaffold]

Has a 4

Very important

[terse idol]

That is so weird

Also I'm not home

[umbral scaffold]

Adds an extra slash

[sullen merlin]

Ah, 3 will suffice for now then, because Hadron is eating my mats

[terse idol]

I might try to learn how to do a recording but

[umbral scaffold]

With only pcycler 3 you'll only get 2 slashes

With 4 you get 3

But you can work with pcycler 3

[sullen merlin]

What perks reccomended? I rolled a Tier 4 carapace.

[umbral scaffold]

Just need to shove a bit more