veteran-class

[drifting oak]

his argument was literally "don't take this blessing and then use the weapon in its one strongpoint"

like why would you not use a weapon in its strongest point

even if it's not built for it, that's like saying don't use light attacks on claw

[serene sage]

what is the bolter strong point in your opinion?

[drifting oak]

you're still gonna do it

[drifting oak]

deletes elite pulls at range to cover teams that are weak to crusher/mauler pressure and don't know how to handle it

you know when you get those hordes that have a bunch of flak ragers/crushers/maulers in the trash?

and they come from behind?

[serene sage]

you are full autoing at range?

or are you ADSing?

[drifting oak]

they pop out at between 20-30 meters and you can pull out a bolter and kill every elite in the pull

[serene sage]

yeah sure

[drifting oak]

that is the one thing the bolter can do that a helbore can't because the helbore takes too much time

[serene sage]

that sounds ideal

but are you full autop=ing

or are you ADSing on it

[drifting oak]

also it straight up kills bulwarks from the front

[serene sage]

because if you are ADSing, just consider Surgical

that's all

if you are full auto/hipfire 20-30m out

I think you are wasting ammo

[drifting oak]

generally it's something like starting iwth 2-3 quick reset ADS shots and then full auto yes because they come in fast

by the time you see them @ 20-30 meters

then bolter draw

now they're like 10-15 meters in

you get maybe a couple of shots ADS then it's time to full auto

[serene sage]

I'll just let you play the way you want

[frank basin]

8-5 meter is full autoing

Further for sniping

[serene sage]

I just know Surgical value is surprisingly high

[drifting oak]

it makes the bolter a bootleg helbore sure

[serene sage]

in my time using the gun, which is a decent amount

[drifting oak]

but if I wanted to do that I'd use a helbore

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[frank basin]

Be the Auto cannon tank

[serene sage]

okay friend, you do that you are implying that the Bolter is a worse Helbore

[drifting oak]

half the time when I have a bolter the ammo stress it puts on the team just by fullautoing elite pulls alone

[serene sage]

which it is not

[drifting oak]

I have to let teammates kill shooters anyway

[tall torrent]

It genuinely plays a different function from helbore

[serene sage]

how about you just killing everything

[tall torrent]

Unless you’re playing helbore 3

[drifting oak]

my red ammo count says no :(

[serene sage]

because, again, you one shot dreg gunners on BODY shot

[serene sage]

maybe stop hipfiring 20-30m out

idk

[drifting oak]

bolter ammo economy is just not great unless you're playing hunting grounds lol

[drifting oak]

i never said that lol

[frank basin]

16 hounds per spawn

[tall torrent]

It is not as bad as u think with a surgical marksman style play

[drifting oak]

i said you see the enemy at that range and then by the time you finish drawing the bolter htey're in range

[tall torrent]

Sure you’ll still need pickups here and there but it’s not like plasma “half the ammo on the map are mine”

[drifting oak]

of maybe a couple ADS shots at most and then it's time for full auto

because phew bolter draw time is bad

[serene sage]

how many screenshots of auric T5 of me running bolter with 3 small 1 large ammo pickup all game while topping or second topping damage and kills do you need to convince you that if you ADS bolter, ammo is not a problem?

cause I have done that

[tall torrent]

Bolter’s issue is how slow it is to react to new targets and to re-acquire targets

[serene sage]

yeah, it's mostly just the slow as fuck draw

and the mediocre mag count

the reserve is... kinda okay

[drifting oak]

counterpoint, how many screenshots of auric t5 failure are you going to show me because the bolter was too fucking slow to draw to help your team not wipe

cherrypicking good scoreboards doesn't show that a weapon is good lol

its main use is to complain about teams that are bad

[wanton dawn]

Counterpoint: how many screenshot of auric t5 failure without bolter ?

[serene sage]

I mean I can show you my whole match history? How about that?

[umbral scaffold]

I mean
Tbf those r different issues

Bolter being ammo efficient is not the same as Bolter being slow as fuck to draw

[leaden grove]

i think the bolter pretty lack luster compared to how it should be. look at the plasma for example they nailed it

[umbral scaffold]

Different arguments

[white minnow]

fyi you can mildly cancel's bolter's slow swap speed if the mag isn't full

[umbral scaffold]

It is pretty bad though lol

[serene sage]

My current match history is a shit show cause I'm trying to make agri shotty works

[umbral scaffold]

But you can get by with bad

[white minnow]

the game lets you reload pretty quickly after swapping to it, and then you can sprint cancel the reload to be immediately able to shoot

[frank basin]

Like I almost gave up hoping run going fail because infiltrate stealth vet combat axe dying a lot.

[serene sage]

The downside is that if you time it wrong, you reload at 14/15 bullets

[drifting oak]

yeah and honestly if you do quickplay at all

there's nothing quite like

spawn into game
I spawned into fire and instantly died, team wiped

gee

what does that even prove lol

[white minnow]

yeah though you can just spam the sprint button to not have to worry about timing it

[umbral scaffold]

People who use scoreboard to dunk on other people is silly anyway

[wanton dawn]

Well, mine is bad cuz i am bad

[umbral scaffold]

It is only really useful for self improvement

[serene sage]

Yeah, but my hand hurts, and it's awkward. But the fast draw tech exists and can be used in a pinch.

[drifting oak]

i like to post scoreboards of me with literally more speciials than the team combined to complain about pugs

[umbral scaffold]

And even then
Barely

[leaden grove]

the bolter does fuck pretty hard on a exe stance vet tho

[white minnow]

i also personally have the reload indicator from crosshair hud to see if i'm in the reload or not

[drifting oak]

but claiming that a good scoreboard is sa reason a weapon is good/viable is cap

[leaden grove]

one to two tap most elites

[umbral scaffold]

Skipping the draw is a big positive

That's like half the issue of the bolter lol

[serene sage]

Not cap, just showing what's in the realm of possibilities.

[wanton dawn]

Also i restarted using bayonet in maelstrom but i cant play it too much cuz special key spam hurt my thumb

[frank basin]

Use m1 then

[drifting oak]

consider binding special to mousewheel or something

or even a keyboard button

if your mouse thumb buttons are ass

[serene sage]

Like if I'm outdamaging plasma 40/40 games, it means that the gun can't possibly be completely dogshit tier

[wanton dawn]

Rebinding is pain

[serene sage]

It does say something imo

[umbral scaffold]

Ish

Tbf they could also just be using plasma "correctly"

[wanton dawn]

Thats a very bad idea. I tried

[drifting oak]

consider that maybe the constant in those games is you versus "the typical quickplay plasma FOTM enjoyer"

[umbral scaffold]

Aka in time where it's needed and not just because

[drifting oak]

I can outdamage a plasma vet with a fucking mg4 lasgun

that doesn't mean shit

[leaden grove]

i think bolter need like 100 more damage and like 20 rounds in the mag

[drifting oak]

Emphasis on "can" because it's quickplay

[wanton dawn]

What i want is a mod macro for special key spam

[serene sage]

No it means the Mg4 is a decent gun

[umbral scaffold]

No ranged weapon should take like 2-3 seconds to pull out imo

[serene sage]

Not that it's better than plasma

Just that it has the potential

[umbral scaffold]

Balance it by reload time
Not by switch time lol

[tall torrent]

The unwieldy aspect needs to be tuned down imo
Recoil, slow reloads, slow draw

[leaden grove]

yeah the recoil is fucking brutal without dead shot

[umbral scaffold]

Utterly ridiculous that certain weapons like the lasbores feel like shit because they take like 3 seconds to pull out

[serene sage]

There's so much damage in the game in general, I don't want to see yet another gun getting damaged buff tbh

[last parcel]

if you mean bayonet, KeepSwinging has a setting for that

[wanton dawn]

I can outdamage you by rushing ahead like a madman and blaming you if i die for being slowpoke

[serene sage]

Give us better draw speed please 😔

[drifting oak]

if bolter had its drawspeed halved

[umbral scaffold]

Especially in a game where quick swapping is a needed skill

[drifting oak]

it would still be noticeably slower than other guns

[wanton dawn]

For special key ? Neat

[drifting oak]

and it would probably be "fine" at that point

[leaden grove]

just so at a base line it gets more burst damage to be a counter part to plasma

[tall torrent]

Because the only other veteran gun that genuinely suffers from being unwieldy is helbore3 and that gun is just manufactured differently

[serene sage]

Aschtually it would be faster than plasma haha

[tall torrent]

And that gun also needs a better bayonet moveset

[serene sage]

Bolter needs 2.66s from draw to fire
Plasma needs like 1.5s

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is not "high dps" though

[frank basin]

Are veteran weapons having dilemma?

[serene sage]

I have a vid showing them side by side

[umbral scaffold]

Just another day at veteran class

[drifting oak]

(infinite cleave would like to know your location)

[wanton dawn]

It isnt though. Also limited by heat

[frank basin]

I just ran recon 6d with two decent or bad veteran and one psyker.

[umbral scaffold]

Heat is not that big of a problem tbh

[drifting oak]

i would ask how shooting once into a horde in a hallway and killing a massive quantity of them does not qualify the gun for "high dps"

[umbral scaffold]

Just need to pace yourself

[frank basin]

It almost fail run

[umbral scaffold]

Especially when stuff you headshot tends to get knocked down a lot

[wanton dawn]

Stop trying to teach me plasma dps plz

[serene sage]

Did you know it has 100 cleave?

[drifting oak]

it's like the shotguns in Vermintide

[frank basin]

Boltgun dps lecture

[drifting oak]

if you shoot at widespread enemies one at a time it's pretty mid

[leaden grove]

only thing it cant go thru is a crusher or boss unless you kill them.

[umbral scaffold]

Mood

[drifting oak]

shoot at enemies coming at you funneled into lines because of level geometry and it can literally slaughter entire waves without them touching you

[wanton dawn]

Did you know charged had 200% cleave increase ?

[umbral scaffold]

Not just that
With how it works it's basically going to make you invincible

Shit you shoot tends to get knocked down

[serene sage]

Tbf counting cleave into DPS is so hard to quantify

[umbral scaffold]

Just need to pace yourself

[frank basin]

The psyker just pissed see two vet dying most it use mic just command revive someone downed

[serene sage]

But 100 cleave is brrr indeed

[umbral scaffold]

If you're running shout + plasma
You're basically untouchable unless they have Nurgle blessings

[leaden grove]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-hand-shake-arnold-arnold-swarzeneger-gif-9494194

[drifting oak]

hardly, if that were the case, savage sweep would not be a "good blessing for damage"

[serene sage]

Stupid broken gun

[drifting oak]

unless you specifically mean plasma's goofy-ahh ranged penetration cleave, which is fair

[serene sage]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Me and the boys about to go fight some Moebians and get hunted by a genestealer after

[wanton dawn]

Savage sweep is a damage blessing now ? I though it was for horde control

[drifting oak]

but like so many maps are hallways, or have doorways, so just like shoot down the hall/into the door, receive massive killfeeds

[serene sage]

I think you meant BMomentum maybe?

[umbral scaffold]

Also cos of how shit stacks lul

Turns out the gun that invalidates bulwark shields

Is one of the best at killing stuff

Who knew

[drifting oak]

bromentum on the weapons that have that, savage sweep on the weapons that have THAT, either/or

[serene sage]

Okay fair

[leaden grove]

who would win. a spawn of chaos with nurgles blessing. or two shitters with krak grenades

[umbral scaffold]

Bulwark phalanx
Mauler dogpiles
Crusher goon squads

[drifting oak]

the point is you always take the cleave blessing of choice on the weapon that has it

[umbral scaffold]

All dead to good pacing

[umbral scaffold]

Infantry guardsmen finally understanding what being on Krak means

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[drifting oak]

there isn't any weapon that has both bromentum and savage sweep, is there

I'm fairly certain no

[serene sage]

Okay, so, my conspiracy theory

I think Plasma makes your teammates play worse

Because you kill everything so they start getting out of position to kill

[umbral scaffold]

In a way it does

[serene sage]

And get downed for that

[umbral scaffold]

Makes the game so easy they get overconfident

And then die cos you're venting heat

[leaden grove]

ever run a shout vet with shredders? its fun

[wanton dawn]

I blame infiltrate player more.

[umbral scaffold]

Always

[serene sage]

My damage/kill is so much higher with plasma but my winrate is worse

[umbral scaffold]

Smoothest runs in the game are plasma + shredder + new shovel

[serene sage]

My teammates are like weirdly aggressive

When I'm on plasma

I swear it makes people hunt for kills

[frank basin]

Funny I got acylch combat axe infiltration player died twice last I played with (he use revolver too)

[umbral scaffold]

Have good horde control
Have tons of effective toughness and knock downs on demand
And kill everything

The only downside is Plasma gun gaming is mind numbing

[leaden grove]

running a support vet with shredders and bleed with a chains sword is so fucking fun

[umbral scaffold]

fire fire vent a little fire vent fire vent repeat for 20 seconds

[serene sage]

Yeah, you fire a shot and everything in that line dies

[umbral scaffold]

Or knocked down for the massive lulz

[serene sage]

I want more things to kill 😔

[umbral scaffold]

And that's basically the next best thing

[wanton dawn]

Plasma probably lack in the suppression department

[umbral scaffold]

It does ye

[drifting oak]

absolutely not lmao

one shot makes gunners run

[tall torrent]

For veteran, no

[serene sage]

Let plasma be suppressed like the Bolter

[umbral scaffold]

But anything you shoot will be dead so that's still suppression

:^)

[wanton dawn]

Sigh...

[serene sage]

Give it massive sway

[strange sparrow]

Supressing the dead

[tall torrent]

Zealot has heavy sword which can use deathblow (same thing as BM) and savage sweep

[drifting oak]

plasma and psyker staff balls are similar in terms of "one shot makes enemies cower"

[umbral scaffold]

I think the best part of plasma gun is actually that it's more or less 100% accurate

Apart from the awful crosshair

[wanton dawn]

Autogun are far better at it. Compare with comparable pls

[leaden grove]

to be fair gunners have very little suppression immunity

[frail bolt]

any suggestions?

[umbral scaffold]

I never worry about caring about missing
Like at all

[drifting oak]

could've fooled me

[umbral scaffold]

No fake ingame arthritis sway

[tall torrent]

I think opposite, I think bolter should just naturally be suppression immune

[drifting oak]

i've jumped into gunner squads before spraying an autogun and literally just fucking died to them counter-shooting me

[umbral scaffold]

I think all guns should be immune to suppression

[leaden grove]

yeah. there rough

[drifting oak]

but one plasma shot literally scatters the whole squad

[umbral scaffold]

Just give it bad recoil

[drifting oak]

same with throwing psyker orbeez around

[frail bolt]

wasnt sure if it all i needed to change was the perks now if if i had to reroll the blessings

[tall torrent]

Suppression is not fun yes but some guns I’m ok with

[umbral scaffold]

Some of them are fine ye
But some are just awful to play with max suppression which makes the gunner heavy maps even less fun imo

[frank basin]

Looks like base for killing reapers and bosses for unyielding.

[umbral scaffold]

I don't mind it in theory

[tall torrent]

Bolter being prime example of suppression being bad imo

[umbral scaffold]

But when your revolver shooting suddenly gets arthritis hands

[tall torrent]

On a revolver it matters enough and forces u into playing smarter with it

[umbral scaffold]

Not a big fan of it personally

I get why though

But I also dislike bad pull out speeds ( heh ) being a gameplay mechanic, personally

[frail bolt]

any suggestions? should i go for flak and maniac?

[umbral scaffold]

Would rather it be more like vt2 where quick swaps are natural and fluid but you're paying for it with less ammunition or whatever

[frank basin]

Damn not even XIV revolver I want cowboy 😔

[serene sage]

Fair, i was kinda memeing

[umbral scaffold]

Makes the slower guns REALLY feel bad to me since it takes years before I can use them

[serene sage]

Bolter is basically playing with -1 talent

Cause you want Determined

Or you ain't shooting shit

[frail bolt]

i also wasnt sure if the stability on it was good enough

[frank basin]

People said stats like 70 is good average

[frail bolt]

since 53% seems iffy but yet again the slow rate of fire would make up for it right?

[umbral scaffold]

I'd use that

I've finished aurics with worse

[tall torrent]

Stability doesn’t matter that much on MG12 because the recoil is mostly visual

[frail bolt]

should i swap the perks?

[frank basin]

@frail bolt do you scoreheadshot usually?

[umbral scaffold]

I've finished aurics with unperked/unblessed gear
Das solid

[frail bolt]

as much as i can

[frank basin]

Try falk from unarmored

[umbral scaffold]

I'd change unarmored and that's it

[leaden grove]

that gun has like no recoil anyway

[compact oak]

why does a lasgun have recoil to begin with

[leaden grove]

balance

[umbral scaffold]

Unarmored to flak and that's good to go

[tall torrent]

Because playing with absolutely zero recoil guns can be boring

[frail bolt]

should i try to change blessings?

[umbral scaffold]

I think those r fine if you're headshotting a lot

But I'm not picky

[tall torrent]

Having no recoil = not having much player feedback on the power of the weapon

It’s a game design thing

[frail bolt]

only lasgun with "no recoil" in my experience is the mk d version

[frank basin]

Mk I’d?

[umbral scaffold]

Meanwhile I play og doom

And that gunplay still feels better than most cod games

[frail bolt]

dat

[frank basin]

Infantry Lasgun recoil is weird design

[tall torrent]

Doom64 shotgun barrel still kicks up a little I think

[frank basin]

Recon

[tall torrent]

That’s a different design thing

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

Also I was just pointing out that it's just a different design at the end of the day

[frail bolt]

yeah. that one is the only one i know that barely has recoil

[serene sage]

Oh yeah we need a double barrel shotty in the game

[umbral scaffold]

It's not always needed to make it feel good since games like csgo don't kick your camera up

But it does have that bullet pattern thing to compensate

[tall torrent]

It’s usually the “power” thing being associated directly with recoil

[frail bolt]

i can slap da4 to it. should i?

[frank basin]

You can

[tall torrent]

I’m assuming since lasguns don’t have as much gore as the more devastating weapons, they went with recoil as a way to convey the power behind the weapon to the player

[umbral scaffold]

Og yeah I understand lol

[frail bolt]

ok. time to see how the mk12 rolls

thanks guys

[umbral scaffold]

Personally I'm just against mechanics like that

[frank basin]

Looks like boltgun topic has died down

[umbral scaffold]

But I hate most things that obscure my vision or change my screen effects or take control away from me

So I'm biased af

[frank basin]

Am going peacefully sleep

[umbral scaffold]

Gn pizza person

[thick rose]

im itching for a patch need some mixup

[serene sage]

Well mention it is like attempting CPR and a DNR person

[frank basin]

What?

That’s means

[umbral scaffold]

Me waiting for my longlas

I just want my vt2 crossbow back, man

[serene sage]

Do you know what CPR is?

[frank basin]

Chest compressions rate?

[tall torrent]

I’m itching for a patch when they finally fix the recent cosmetic clipping problems

[serene sage]

Yeah

[frank basin]

What’s dnr?

[serene sage]

DNR simply Do Not Resuscitate

[frank basin]

Idk what’s that means

[serene sage]

Basically you let them die

[frank basin]

Oh

That’s harsh

[umbral scaffold]

Some people want that

[serene sage]

It's usually for people whose condition won't get better

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[serene sage]

So they ask for a DNR order

[umbral scaffold]

Had to let my grandpa go after that years ago

[serene sage]

And if they are about to die, you let them

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[frank basin]

DnR sound like mercy kill/put it down

[serene sage]

It's different from euthanasia

[finite imp]

Average heresy pubbies

[umbral scaffold]

Kind of?
It's just letting things happen naturally though

From an ethical standpoint it might be similar

But in concept people who ask for dnr would rather pass on than suffer more in those situations

[serene sage]

Yeah, well

Anyway

[frank basin]

Wow, talking about death making me fear about it.

[finite imp]

What's to fear.

Everyone does it

[serene sage]

The end

[finite imp]

I don't see how that is scary

[umbral scaffold]

To be fair
That's a good thing , partially

[serene sage]

It doesn't have to be me

[umbral scaffold]

Fear is always good

But don't let it control you

[drifting oak]

counterpoint

[umbral scaffold]

Having a healthy understanding of it is always important

[drifting oak]

anyone talking about it, has not yet done it

[umbral scaffold]

It's just a reminder to do the things you want to do

Before it's too late

[finite imp]

But you shall. As shall we all. There is no point in worrying about it. It's going to happen

[serene sage]

Well people do shit don't like all the times

[finite imp]

Big whoop

[umbral scaffold]

No fear is actually pretty bad to have at times

[frank basin]

Cried of fear death

[umbral scaffold]

A natural amount of fear is a good thing

It's when it's unnatural that it's bad

[finite imp]

I am afraid of being killed

[serene sage]

Idk man, I like living
I mean if there's no point worrying about it, why go to the doctor when you're sick

[finite imp]

I am not afraid of death

[frank basin]

Some people too young suffer medical condition and they died. One of them fear death

[serene sage]

Why do anything at all

[umbral scaffold]

:pat:

[finite imp]

Why not

Living feels good

[umbral scaffold]

Welcome to life's most meaningful question

[serene sage]

I mean why protect your health, etc

[umbral scaffold]

If everything is "pointless" why bother

Because

[finite imp]

Because living feels good

[serene sage]

If you're just gonna die

Why delay the inevitable

[serene sage]

Yeah

[finite imp]

Because it feels good to live

[serene sage]

That the point

[finite imp]

I am not seeing it

[umbral scaffold]

Not to some people

[finite imp]

Numbers cat go

Why eat this poptart it's just gonna be gone after I eat it 😔

[serene sage]

Okay, I like being alive, and tomorrow, someone tells me I have cancer and will pass in 7 days

[finite imp]

Rip

[serene sage]

Fuck you I'm not gonna be like wow oh well

Everything ends

Nothing to see here

[finite imp]

I did not say that

[serene sage]

I would crawl and cry and fuck shit up

[umbral scaffold]

Welcome to existential problems

[finite imp]

Yeah that's normal reaction to being killed

[serene sage]

I'm afraid death

[umbral scaffold]

There's no right answer ( or wrong answer anyway )

[serene sage]

If you don't, then You're fucked in the head

And I mean it

[finite imp]

I'm not saying you shouldn't fear being killed

I am saying you shouldn't fear death

[frank basin]

Did veteran having topic about life and death?

[finite imp]

You are mixing the 2 up

[frank basin]

Serving emperor is scary

[serene sage]

Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

[finite imp]

You're fear lies in the process of dying not the aftermath

[serene sage]

That's what dying means bro

Being killed by old age or a knife

You're ducking dead

[leaden grove]

im more afraid of not doing anything before i die

[finite imp]

And afterwards you will not care.

[serene sage]

Holy shit you're deliberately not getting the point it seems

[finite imp]

I do not see why you are getting riled up.

[serene sage]

You don't fear death, good for you

[finite imp]

Let's chill out

[frank basin]

Sunrise is quite oppressive

[finite imp]

We can talk about something else. This subject is clearly giving you some emotional turmoil as it should.

[serene sage]

Lmao

Fuck you

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperor-tts-warhammer-warhammer40k-gif-21605736

[serene sage]

I'm going yo sleep

[frank basin]

I just simply said fear of death and this whole broken out

[finite imp]

I am sorry if I upset you.

[leaden grove]

now your just talking down to him

[finite imp]

I sincerely was not attempting to piss him off

[sharp ember]

life is the emperor’s currency

[frank basin]

It happen to me when I made racist joke upset someone

[frank basin]

Spend it well

[leaden grove]

thin skinned mfs

[frank basin]

In high school

I have weird view about humanity

[leaden grove]

what was the joke?

[finite imp]

I've had a weird relationship with death recently. It seems like years will go bye without me even thinking about it. Then a family member dies and I start that whole what if process about it for like a month.

Sucks

I lost both my grandparents within a year of each other

[frank basin]

It just simply said something sound offensive can this African American draw art because they are blck.

Im made bad joke in high school

[leaden grove]

was the guy you said it to black?

[frank basin]

Im not great humor

[frank basin]

It’s a she

She asking my name going report to principal for racist joke

[junior needle]

Some things are better left undiscussed in the veteran channel

[leaden grove]

yeah

i think you have a point

[frank basin]

Word hurt people more than bullet and blade.

[leaden grove]

lassagna pizza

2024

[frank basin]

That was 2018

[leaden grove]

thats a fucking quote if iv ever seen it

[frank basin]

Long ago I made that joke

[leaden grove]

most peole just cant handle jokes now. been like that for a bit. fuck em

[frank basin]

I learn movie called “the interview”, an actor fake Kim jong un said “what’s hurt more? Words”

It all make sense word can hurt more than physical pain

[umbral scaffold]

Some people have weird view in high school

Long as you grew out of it

[frank basin]

Because word transcription into action and become “action speaks louder than word”

[umbral scaffold]

Then that's all that matters lol

[leaden grove]

i have no say. i grew up in cod lobbies

[umbral scaffold]

If we're all judged by what we did back in HS

Kek

[frank basin]

My view about world is vast different. Sometime people think I’m eugenic or I’m some kind trad caveman thoughts

[umbral scaffold]

Long as you don't think it now
Then that's all that matters

[frank basin]

I have view of destruction against corporation

[leaden grove]

cyberpunk 2077

[frank basin]

I have schizo thoughts about society last time made me questioning why.

[tawdry torrent]

any good lads? or what should i be looking for in a bolter?

[finite imp]

Come here often?

[leaden grove]

put unyielding instead of maniacs

[tawdry torrent]

no?

[finite imp]

Bolters are in a bad way right now

[umbral scaffold]

Is normal

Having thoughts is not a crime

[leaden grove]

thats a solid bolter damn

[umbral scaffold]

Acting on it is

If you think you have problems

[tawdry torrent]

i think i pop into channels about once a week lol

[umbral scaffold]

Best to find professional help to help you solve it

[finite imp]

What clappy said

But man

[frank basin]

Yes, I used verbal threat in college got me expulsion

[finite imp]

I wish bolters had better everything

[sharp ember]

Plenty useable, though the typical recommended blessing pair nowadays is Surgical + Pinning Fire.

[tawdry torrent]

eh im in it to have fun with it in 4s n shit but i wana still have it do ok. its just way to much fun to use to not play with ya know?

[sharp ember]

your bolter looks especially geared for shredding crusher patrols which isn’t a bad thing

[tawdry torrent]

thats was my thought lol

i can handle other shit but i wana make them gone

[leaden grove]

its stability is so low you shoot it and just drop it on the ground

[finite imp]

Lately I've just been doing this unhinged gunkata thing

It's really fun

[tawdry torrent]

i cant say it being higher on roll sis much better than it being low

its just a clunky turd

[finite imp]

I've managed to work my revolver into a melee combo

[tawdry torrent]

but it go boom

[leaden grove]

i do the same with plasma and mk6 power sword

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

Gunkata

[leaden grove]

its fun to be in a melee then just shoot the sun at some mf

[gusty bison]

Blessings arent great

Is the main thing

Bolter on vet isnt great for full auto cos vet has very little support for full auto spam

[finite imp]

With always prepared it's actually super fucking strong

[leaden grove]

what about bosses? you can one mag them with the right set up

[gusty bison]

You want pinning for bosses

Rather than Shattering

[leaden grove]

true

[tawdry torrent]

its my fav thing to do lol

[gusty bison]

Shattering is kinda ass

[leaden grove]

boss? gone

[finite imp]

You crowd clear with the knife, proc weapon specialist with q to switch to revolver which pops up instantly and BANG you just put a big hole in whatever you were fighting. Hit q again and back to knife

And because of always prepared you can combo this infinitly

Or at least until you're out of ammo

It's fuckin sick as hell and fun

[gusty bison]

Tbh bolters on vet are best used as a DMR

A lot more support that way

U can one shot most elites with a bodyshot, and even ragers with a headshot

Something even plasma cant do

But yea melee vet with volver is like. The meta build

[sharp ember]

i’d like it if bolters had another magazine’s worth of ammo

[finite imp]

It SLAPS

[gusty bison]

Atm its perfectly ammo neutral vs elites

[finite imp]

A pubby was watching me in spectator mode and was like bro I can hardly keep up with what you're doing

Lmfao

I just kept changing knife is love

Knife is life

[strange sparrow]

What

[finite imp]

Chanting

[gusty bison]

1 bullet out. 1 bullet refunded

[strange sparrow]

What elite are you one shooting with that

[gusty bison]

All of them

Not that bolter

[sharp ember]

i’m guessing rager 1 crit headshot

[gusty bison]

But a surg pinning one

[strange sparrow]

Oh

[gusty bison]

That bolter is kinda meh

On vet anyway

Its passable on zeal cos u can dance of death

[strange sparrow]

I don’t get why would anyone run bolter tbh

Except for fun

[tawdry torrent]

^^

the only reason

[gusty bison]

Its nice and lazy to use

Tbf

[strange sparrow]

It is a very lazy gun tbh

But it’s reward is also mediocre

[gusty bison]

Its one of the few DMR style weapons u can get away with bodyshots

[compact oak]

I feel powerful when the enemy gets turned into chunky salsa

[tawdry torrent]

this man knows

[strange sparrow]

Sound nice

[tranquil bronze]

SPES MAWEENS

[frank basin]

Comically large crayon people

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly laziest guns to me are the autoguns

Very fun to use and very no effort

Cos u just spray in something's direction and unless they're a crusher they're usually dead with enough bullets

[junior needle]

That’s because autoguns are generally tuned better than lasguns currently

[gusty bison]

Btw surg pinning is faster at clearing crusher patrols than cav SI on vet

Cos the spread means u cant reliably headshot on full auto

And suddenly ur using like 8 rounds per crusher

[tawdry torrent]

yarp

[gusty bison]

Meanwhile u can 3 tap with a surgical bolter

[tranquil bronze]

It's a pve game for Emperor's sake, why is there such kind of "balancing" to begin with?

Make all weapons good so that nothing is overpowered

[gusty bison]

So u can kill 5 crushers in 1 clip

[solar sky]

oh you didn't play when assail was broken broken

[tawdry torrent]

yeaaaaah that shit was fun sucking

[compact oak]

power creep

[gusty bison]

P12 shredder autopistol

Lel

Like why play the game

[solar sky]

p12 bolter lol

[tranquil bronze]

What's usually a good percentage of stability?

[gusty bison]

Depends on the gun

[solar sky]

depends on the weapon

[tranquil bronze]

For inf las?

[gusty bison]

Oh

[solar sky]

dump stat

[tranquil bronze]

Ah

[gusty bison]

Inf las?

Inf las has garbo ass stability

I guess its unfixable

[solar sky]

doesn't affect aiming down sights, so it's a dump stat

[gusty bison]

You rely heavily on the hipfire thou

Cos the ADS on inf las is so bad

[solar sky]

It's a headshot weapon, wdy

scope on it is good

[gusty bison]

Scope on it is garbage

Cos it lies to you

[solar sky]

I disagree but sure xD

[gusty bison]

On top of being unstable as fuck

The hipfire is actually very solid

[blazing veldt]

this guy got shoved into a corner by 4 rejects for 2 minutes straight

[junior needle]

It's so the game still provides an appropriate level of challenge. So it's more of a matter of guns vs the PVE element than guns vs other guns. But yes, underperformers do need to be brought up considerably.

[wanton dawn]

Which is why recon needs another nerf

[blazing veldt]

community should agree that columnus 5 is underperforming

what are they gonna do then

[wanton dawn]

Not listen

[frail bolt]

just got this one from mission. any suggestions?

[tranquil bronze]

Swap out that raking fire

And swap critical strike chance

[gusty bison]

Swap sustained fire for dum dum

Swap cara for something else of ur choice

[leaden grove]

maniac?

[frail bolt]

i dont shoot many enemies in the back. is rf still good?

or is it just to try and kill beast of nurgle?

[tranquil bronze]

I feel like that's only good on the big guys

[gusty bison]

RF is solid vs bon bon

Thats like

It

XD

Its still more useful than cara

Cos cara is like... just crushers

[frail bolt]

wut is bon bon?

[gusty bison]

Beast of Nurgle

[frail bolt]

ohhh

[tranquil bronze]

Swap the RF

[gusty bison]

Sustained Fire however is pretty fucking ass

[tranquil bronze]

More ass than gimmicky RF?

[gusty bison]

Even with perfect usage its +9% damage

[gusty bison]

Way more ass

RF has a usecase and build

[low oar]

RF is really good imo

[tranquil bronze]

I find it too gimmicky

[low oar]

+40% damage is kinda ridiculous

[gusty bison]

Stealth vet with RF is fukkib hilarious

And magdumping bosses in the ass is also funnie

[low oar]

My dumb gun zealot build with a raking fire Columunus is hilarious

Melts a beast of nurgle in like 10 seconds

[frail bolt]

dam. no dum dum

will have to farm for it

[frail bolt]

would keeping cara be any good for those big bois?

[gusty bison]

No

Theres like

[frail bolt]

or for flak to try and mow down the commons?

[gusty bison]

One cara enemy

Crushers

[frail bolt]

so flak basically

[gusty bison]

And i guess maulers but just fkin bodyshot them

[frail bolt]

since 60-70% are all flak

[gusty bison]

Yea but u kill flak super fast

[low oar]

Flak and maniac are probably top two

[gusty bison]

Unyielding or maniac would be the better bet imho

Or stamina if ur running deadshot

[frail bolt]

hmm...

unyielding... or maniac

[low oar]

Maniac probably

[frail bolt]

yeah

[low oar]

Shooting muties in the back is good

[frail bolt]

since i seen 6 ragers come out of thin air too many times

[low oar]

And deadshot is going to be a hassle with the amount of stamina drain with automatic fire

So I don't think +stam is really worth it

[frail bolt]

i never go for stam lel

ok, i rebuilt it

[low oar]

Yeah that could work

[gusty bison]

Looks solid

[low oar]

Dodge mutie, unload into back, melt down mutie

Always a fun move to pull

[frail bolt]

now. the fun but tricky part: do i make it look like an ak47. lol

[low oar]

Dah, comrade

[muted knot]

What's the better iag Agri or graia ?

[tranquil bronze]

Agri has the slowest rof iirc

[white minnow]

both basically only differ in terms on breakpoints

they have the same DPS and armour damage modifiers and all that stuff

different rof, different damage per shot, and same DPS, so it's just whichever has better and more convenient breakpoints

[civic knot]

Buy?

[sharp ember]

i reckon the agri has +1 cleave mass if you’re prone to spraying into hordes/concentrated shooter groups

[versed merlin]

But agri also has less ammo

So you need to pay attention for what you're shooting at

Certainly not the most convenient for when you have a ogryn in your team

[white minnow]

doing some napkin math, the graia has less total damage per total ammo pool

~54k compared to ~61k

[civic knot]

Question: Is the new chainsword any good compared to the old one?

[blazing veldt]

does anyone use that 10% melee damage node right under the smoke grenade and does it actually help? trying to figure out if I should get rid of it or not

[muted knot]

I thought it's only the agri brauto that has the extra cleave ?

[sharp ember]

pretty decent if you have melkbucks to spare, I recommend keep Wrath instead of Savage Sweep. The lights on the mk13g hitstop at 2 scab bruisers and won’t hit a 3rd enemy. It’ll hit 3 thinner enemies with lights though for activating Rampage/Savage Sweep

[sharp ember]

it’s both

[white minnow]

agri has 2.1 cleave and graia has 1.5 cleave

[peak plinth]

power cycler +2 is so hard to get

[civic knot]

How good is the new one compared to the old one? is there any reason to use the new one over old?

[terse idol]

T4 blessings are like that tbh

[peak plinth]

but i need it in my life tho

[terse idol]

yeeep

T4 lottery

[sharp ember]

They’re more or less balanced. The mk13g deals more total rev damage if you’re into that

Heavy 1 and 2 are single target, Heavy 3 is a cleave but it’s not an attack you can combo loop into quickly

You have to do L1 > H2 > H3 to access it

push attack doesn’t shortcut into H3 either, it goes into H2

[strange sparrow]

Don’t play Psword

I spend 32k Plasteel on Pcycler T4

Proceed to drop the weapon within a week

It’s such a boring weapon

Charge Swipe swipe swipe charge swipe swipe swipe charge

My disappointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined

[civic knot]

not just that, do push attacks to right after activating. Not everyone knows this but you can accelerate the activation of the charge by blocking right after u tap it

[strange sparrow]

There’s a lot of mechanics revolving speeding up the charge

But I just find the weapon brutally strong

For almost no effort needed

[civic knot]

thats fair

[thick fossil]

I've been thinking about using deadshot for slow fire rate good base damage weapons with decent hip fire accuracy but so far I only founded success with the latest laspistol. I tried Helbore but I spent WAY to much time with ads and trusting hip fire shots accuracy on charged shots is risky, Bolter was my 3rd option and is ok, for a bolter. What about using a HeadHunter Mk IX for it?

Opening salvo seems to proc quite often, it does not seem to have a massive "salvo cooldown" like the recon lasguns for example.

[jolly hemlock]

im playing with the same requirement and i use 99% laspistol and the so much hated recon

[thick fossil]

The laspistol seems to be king for deadshot.

[umbral scaffold]

Recon would be so cool if it dealt damage mildly comparable to IAGs

[terse idol]

That

Hmm, yess

[thick fossil]

But I also want to use it for a more melee based build, the laspistol.

[terse idol]

How would you do this without power creeping iags...
Probably with regular damage drop off right

[jolly hemlock]

so do i thats the reason i dont mind recon to much

[strange sparrow]

Recon would be so much better if they don’t have funny damage dropoff

[terse idol]

but then they could creep things like auto guns I dunno

Yeah

I mean

[thick fossil]

I don't like how the recon works with salvo and crits, that nerf was brutal.

[terse idol]

Then why would you ever choose a recon over an autogun

If they have the same damage profile

but 1 of them generates more ammo

[thick fossil]

I don't know what to do with the Headhunter Mk IX, Surgical + Deadly Accurate seems to be the best option. But given how salvo works for it Headhunter + Opening Salvo does not sound that bad either.

[strange sparrow]

Tbh it’s pretty much a hard meta to not run recon

Any buff is ok

To this piece of shit

[untold mulch]

Also pretty much unwarranted after the talent nerfs

Amateurish panic nerf,

[thick fossil]

Yeah, idk why they murdered the poor recons. I'm glad they been rather chill with nerfs after that.

[untold mulch]

My wild mad guess is that simply no one in the design team is a fan of it

Would not be the first time that the favorite childs of the design teams get preferrential treatment and what doesnt stays garbage for year

[strange sparrow]

Tbh Recon is just in the middle of nowhere rn

It have no recoil

Giving it damage kinda defeats any gun too

The only way is to rework it

[untold mulch]

At this rate I would have accepted increasing its ammo meanwhile as a patchjob

[peak plinth]

just give all the recon the enemy pen like the VId

[strange sparrow]

I would just ask recon to become a stupidly high finesse weapon instead

It have an insane 5x weakspot Crit

While having shit base damage

It also work alright against Cara and flak

[untold mulch]

I have low hopes for any fixes anytime soon

They only got a 20 damage buff in all the game lifespan, and it didnt help jackshit

Its an afterthought of a weapon

[zealous wyvern]

it cant be that hard. just give it good base dmg

balance it like autoguns

[civic knot]

Which perk do i keep and which do i change?

[fresh grail]

do you like using special attack on the chainsword or nah? can either stack 'on weapon special attack' blessings or just go for regular cleave

[untold mulch]

My thought process is not that ia hard

Is that no one in FS gives enough of a fuck

[civic knot]

yuh

[untold mulch]

I use the Rev for Rager/Maulers/Crushers

Though one needs to be careful of the timing

[versed merlin]

fellas

[strange sparrow]

Blood letter is meh

[versed merlin]

give me a helbore loadout someone

[strange sparrow]

Mk1 onslaught and surgical

[versed merlin]

what should my tree look like

[fresh grail]

What i'm running with atm is savage sweep (hitting at least 3 enemies increases cleave), procs a bit easier and quicker than wrath, and for the other perk you can either take rev it up (move speed on wep special activation) if you like to reposition or something for more damage like rampage.

Though with the chainsword all you really 'need' is a bit more cleave perks and you're set

Not really a sword you can make super optimal best-in-slot sadly since more than 2 out of the 4 perks or blessings are 'suboptimal', but that doesn't matter too much.

[scarlet thistle]

Does the bayonet charge have a third person animation?

[versed merlin]

it has

[fresh grail]

yes, i can see the gigachad bayonet charge veterans running in like a maniac

and we love them for it 💪

[strange sparrow]

Depend on what you like

Do you want to play easy mode

Or do you want to play sniper larp mode

[fresh grail]

Your tree should look like whatever fits your playstyle the best

[versed merlin]

you mean if i want to play with voc or exec stance?

idc tbh

tho if im playing exec stance im not taking deadshot

[strange sparrow]

Just take Exec Stances + FT + shredder

Try to get as much nade as possible

As your clearing power with hellbore is low

FT allow you to kill crusher very fast

MF doesn’t give that much value except you’re going for stack toughness replenishment

Which I argue is the only reason to go MF node

[versed merlin]

yeah i dont get much the reason for going mf since focus target exists and its specialy easy to maintain at am

[strange sparrow]

Play Exec Stance mean you want to pair yourself with a better melee

[versed merlin]

yeah i got the dclaw ready

[strange sparrow]

I would recommend new chainsword XIIG or Devil Claw 4

[versed merlin]

is kill zone worth?

[strange sparrow]

Kill zone is alright

I often find myself not in range of 8 m enemy

Especially after double shredder nade with hellbore

[versed merlin]

aight going to give it a try. ty

[torpid sundial]

Exec stance with boltgun or helbores are pretty fun when you stay behind and snipe every ranged enemy before dropping, which makes everyone’s lives easier within that area

[versed merlin]

no

i hate it

there was this gunlugger ogryn

that came in front of me every time i wanted to shoot something

fuck off dude i hate gunner ogryns

[strange grove]

I legit cant use exec stance on auric missions. They throw so much trash at you I'm constantly pulling out my power sword

[versed merlin]

it is doable

[strange sparrow]

Use bayonet

[versed merlin]

need a bit of getting use with movement and pacing

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-the-g-lock-g-lock-over-g-gif-1978402233167119626

[radiant plank]

from melk. this... looks kinda good actually.

[versed merlin]

but god fucking ogryns coming in front of you when your adsing is fucking cancer

[strange grove]

lol pass, shout is my fav, still great even after they nerfed it

I dodge side to side as a shield ogyrn, had a vet chase me around shooting my ass I guess I pissed him off

[radiant plank]

can just swap out no respite for deadly accurate, then carapace to maniac, yeah?

[versed merlin]

for vraks 7 you want surgical and deadly as blessings

[radiant plank]

isn't headhunter also viable on the vraks 7?

[versed merlin]

might be, but surgical works wonders on the 7

its like a revolver

but with more ammo

and no rending

[strange grove]

yea I use headhunter/deadly accurate on vraks7

[radiant plank]

mmm okay

too bad

[strange grove]

oops, head hunter

[torpid sundial]

Whenever I play ogryn I do keep in mind where my teammates are and move to the side of corridors or rooms to not block their line of sight

[versed merlin]

i do the same as zealot

[torpid sundial]

Do get shots in my back here and there but not too often

[versed merlin]

because i know how painful it is when you're rushing ahead and someone's trying to shoot

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore pierce teammate so

It’s not that bad

[strange grove]

I try and get behind the horde, but if not my fat ass is probably blocking their shots

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[versed merlin]

but gunlugger are worse because they just stand there

[strange grove]

Pretty sure autoguns go thru allies? lasguns don't

[rancid ginkgo]

Bro i never get stuff like this from melk

[rancid ginkgo]

Its kinda finnicky in my experience, sometimes they do sometimes they dont

[midnight mortar]

I can't recall them doing that.

As far as I know only Plasma has that capability.

Maybe Bolter too, I can't remember.

[strange grove]

I've gotten kills on vraks7/agri iag that I swear were thru an ally

maybe I was mistaken

[midnight mortar]

Could be the bullet magnetism you were experiencing.

[versed merlin]

revolver does go through

i think any weapon that cleaves has that capability

helbores charged attacks should as well

but i cant see what im shooting when there's a mountain standing between me and a crusher pack

[placid portal]

Faith is mostly what you need when you shoot through teammates

[radiant plank]

Ikr you can go a whole week without anything decent from melk then BAM power cycler 4

[strange grove]

Anyone like Sunder / Power Cycler 4 on Psword?

I find sunder helps with mixed hordes trying to get ragers etc

[versed merlin]

i dont like psword but i prefer it with sunder over bm tbh

if you have the +15 elites and +20 ogryn talents you cant still 2 shot a crusher with it

[fresh grail]

🤷‍♂️ it's 1 out of the 4 classes so the chances of having ogryns in your game are pretty high, just have to learn to play around them.

But thats with anything in quickplay, can only change your own build and your own playstyle so no point in worrying about anything else imo.

[white minnow]

i love the agri brauto for that

3 base cleave babeeee

[fresh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-shooting-gif-23980108

its my favorite gun on my support focus target build. can stay a bit behind (still in aura radius of course) and just shoot through everyone

[fresh grail]

One of the revolvers and agri braced can shoot through friendlies too. I'm sure theres more but thats the ones that i know of anyway

[low yacht]

Is the power sword any good?

On Veteran

[fresh grail]

best weapon in slot with blessings

[scarlet thistle]

Use plasma/Lucius lasgun, shoot through them, never worry again

[fresh grail]

If you have power cycler blessing then yes, if not then i find it a bit tedious to use but its still very strong

[scarlet thistle]

Though yes it's annoying to have to shoot past an ogryn most of the time.

[low yacht]

Plasma Gun is pretty good.

It's very niche but most Combat is melee anyways.

[fresh grail]

not with how i play vet

[low yacht]

My vet is a mix of grenadier, gunner, and melee.

I made a mixed Veteran so I can get bonuses.

[fresh grail]

You can make anything work with the new tree thankfully, so best to go with whatever fits your playstyle yeah

[low yacht]

So I made a well rounded soldier just because

I mean melee and guns are cool.

I love swords and big guns I mean they're cool.

[scarlet thistle]

What would you change? This thing can melee kill maulers in like 4 stabs.

[low yacht]

Basically turned them into a Catachan at this point.

With the mix of heavy guns and melee.

[scarlet thistle]

Plus it can one-shot most chaff so it's hilariously effective at clearing hordes

[low yacht]

I use regular lasgun.

I kill muties with it all the time.

The headshot potential is still good.

[untold mulch]

I would like to use it more, but its mauler capabilities murder me

[acoustic wyvern]

the Scion helmet looks sick af

[slow crypt]

I'm a fan

[scarlet thistle]

Main Kantrael is like http://puu.sh/JYQou/c6d61c1c88.jpg

I shoot gun.

[acoustic wyvern]

did ye notice the voice changes in game too?

its soooo sick

[steep harbor]

aww why'd they have to release that awesome helmet x.x

Now I definitely have to buy it ;l

[steep harbor]

my veteran WAS rocking this helmet with that set

[low yacht]

I'm rocking the scion helmet

[steep harbor]

yea...i gotta get it now ;-; -$10

[low yacht]

Now give me a full set.

It says it's a salvaged helmet then give me full salvaged scion armor set.

[steep harbor]

doesnt even have to be the tempestus scion armor, but the voidsman armor would be nice too

[low yacht]

I mean maybe salvaged tempestus scion

[untold mulch]

I am expecting them to sell the Scion parts in such a way that is gonna be over 3k aquillas

[low yacht]

People die and their gear gets reused and with the rejects you would bet they would get whatever they can get their hands on it.

[acoustic wyvern]

I like mine lookin a lil jungly and agile

[untold mulch]

When skin where the chestplate has a massive hole

[acoustic wyvern]

i wouldnt mind if the set looks as cool

[steep harbor]

I feel like giving us a Hellgun wouldnt be that farfetched even lorewise. We get bolters and plasma guns so....

[untold mulch]

Pretty much

[low yacht]

Aren't plasma guns and bolters more powerful?

[untold mulch]

Hell easier on the logistics

[low yacht]

Too.

[steep harbor]

yea plasma definitely

[low yacht]

Bolt Pistol

Many commisars use them.

[untold mulch]

Bolter have less antiarmor (without specialty ammo) but more overall power

[steep harbor]

the bolter is "locke-pattern" so it's arguable maybe

[low yacht]

Meltagun.

[steep harbor]

yea melta gun!

[low yacht]

Isn't meltagun just plasma though

[steep harbor]

but meltagun for like zealot xP

[untold mulch]

In general Bolter/Hellgun are if you focus on damage/power or penetration

[low yacht]

And not fire.

[untold mulch]

also hellgun easier on logistics

[low yacht]

To be honest veterans used many incendiary things.

[untold mulch]

carrying 100 bolt shells, is heavy and a lot of space

In exchange the Hellgun just a backpack

[midnight mortar]

They sold piecemeal for the first round of the Commissar Cap too. You can expect either the next rotation or the one after to have the rest of the Scion armor set.

[low yacht]

And meltaguns were common in the militarum for certain units. As they were equipped of leman russes.

[steep harbor]

can even have the hellgun give a sprint debuff if the power was an issue, but secondary to switch between full auto and a strong auto-charging singleshot would be cool

[untold mulch]

Would be awesome ngl

And it would give what I feel lasguns are lacking from lore

the variable power shots

[low yacht]

I would like a recon rifle.

[steep harbor]

and with that, they could probably justify introducing even stronger enemies too

poxburster hounds

[midnight mortar]

What they need is enemy variety that demands different interactions from the players.

[untold mulch]

I still say

[midnight mortar]

More variety than what we have now.

[untold mulch]

Plasma Gunner with a backpack ammo

hit him in the back

boom

[low yacht]

Sniper rifles are good on so many maps.

Why no snipers.

[midnight mortar]

Same thing when it comes to bosses.

[steep harbor]

Something with more verticality, like it jumps on places or glides, so you also have to start aiming up

[midnight mortar]

Plogryns and Chaos Spawn are all fought in pretty much the same way.

BoN is fresh, if extremely non-threatening because it itself doesn't do much other than area denial.

[low yacht]

Now we need nurglings

[midnight mortar]

And the Daemonhost doesn't count.

[steep harbor]

mmm sorta, they kinda break down to kiting in melee

[untold mulch]

Nurglings

PlagueBearers

more specialty units from Moebian

[steep harbor]

nEw eNeMy: tOx bOmBers loool

[low yacht]

Moebians with leman russes.

A leman russ driver.

As a boss fight.

[steep harbor]

a leman russ section would be so cool!

[untold mulch]

I see FS doing htat

and calling it an entire new unit

[steep harbor]

literally just micro-Rodins xD

[low yacht]

I feel like the moebians would steal leman russes

[midnight mortar]

It'll be different because the gas cloud obscures vision! :)

[untold mulch]

My MGS fan part is beggin for an on foot tank battle

[low yacht]

Imagine we need to throw grenades at the top and blow it apart

[steep harbor]

blow open hatch, ogryn throws frag bomb inside C:

[untold mulch]

Throws Ogryn nade

[low yacht]

I am doubtful a grenade will fit down the barrel

[steep harbor]

omg! secret kill: throw rock into gun barrel

[low yacht]

Or ogryn just bends the barrel and they cannot fire

[untold mulch]

Have you seen 40k barrels?

[steep harbor]

isnt the barrel super stubby because it fires like a big lasgun shot?

[low yacht]

Have you seen ogryns

I am not doubtful they couldn't

[untold mulch]

Depends on Tank

[untold mulch]

Only specialized tank killers use lascannons as main gun

[low yacht]

Leman Russ Punishers hurt

[untold mulch]

I think the Krieg use them a lot, because the lascannons are easier to maintain or smth

[steep harbor]

ah okay, seen some in dawn of war that fired what seemed to be giant lasguns

[untold mulch]

Leman Russes have like 8 or so variants

[low yacht]

Punishers are mini guns

[sacred spindle]

None of the lemen Russ models have an energy weapon as primary apart from executioner & annihilator?

Iirc

[low yacht]

Or a machine gun from that sizs

[fresh grail]

We can't be letting the enemies have tanks before Saltzpyre gets his Steam Tank 😤

[sacred spindle]

of course the galaxy is a big place

[low yacht]

Leman Russes have meltaguns attached to them

It isn't just the barrel. Some have huge lasguns

[sacred spindle]

Some have multimeltas as sponson weapons

Is there a variant with a turreted melta?

[low yacht]

And some have plasma cannons

[untold mulch]

Plasma and Lascannons yes

I think there is the Incinerator that had Volkite? but they are stupidly rare

[sacred spindle]

My 40k knowledge is pre-volkite

None of that astra-militarum tempestus nonsense

[untold mulch]

kek

[sacred spindle]

The guard's the guard and that's how it is

[low yacht]

Looking at design they have many attachable weapons.

The leman russ.

[untold mulch]

I vaguely remember that the normal Leman Russ antirecoil system is so expensive, than you probably can get 2 leman russ with lascannons for the cost of a single one with the normal cannon

[sacred spindle]

You might be thinking of the Vanquisher

[untold mulch]

Another W for las

[steep harbor]

what variant is this? https://youtu.be/wzqxuhHAG9Q?t=26

[low yacht]

Punishers are weird

[sacred spindle]

Punishers go brrr

[low yacht]

They have plasma on the side and are machine guns

Anti-infantry tank

[sacred spindle]

Thought the sponson armament was independent from the main armament within reason?

[untold mulch]

The main canon has the shape of a normal ballistic one

[sacred spindle]

They're pretty pick-n-mix

[untold mulch]

but the effect feels like an energy

[sacred spindle]

From the thumbnail, garden or vanilla

[low yacht]

The main gun is usually ballistic but the side mounted guns are usually energy

[untold mulch]

less logistic issue

[steep harbor]

yea the gun doesnt look like it's got the "lasgun" shape barrel

[sacred spindle]

Base sponson / hull armament is heavy bolters

Sponsons are optional

[untold mulch]

I would take a gamble that while the skin of hte video is a normal leman russ

Is an eradicator with a nova cannon?

[sacred spindle]

(codices released after 2010 aren't a thing)

[untold mulch]

That or is a variant with a single lascannon

instead of 2

Lore wise could be a bigger lascannon than usual