#veteran-class

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lusty jetty
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Have you used Brutal Momentum before?

tulip condor
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See this is what im hating

zealous wyvern
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that weapon is great

tulip condor
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its not "meta" so everyone fucking thinks its bad

zealous wyvern
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hadron did not crap all over

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she just didnt give you the exact thing you wanted

placid portal
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Hadron do be trolling

zealous wyvern
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you are crazy

lusty jetty
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Is a long ways from "bad"

zealous wyvern
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"crapped on it"

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is a long way

placid portal
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If you want bad gotta roll a 70 stat weapon

lusty jetty
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Yes

placid portal
zealous wyvern
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from not as good as can be

lusty jetty
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Anyway

placid portal
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It'll do

finite imp
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that's literally an end-game sword that you could use forever

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at least until reds drop

lusty jetty
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Yeah. We'll see how Slaughterer stacks up against BM

tulip condor
zealous wyvern
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just get bm then instead of replacing the perk

umbral scaffold
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Slaughterer makes it easier to not rely on powering the sword all the time

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You can replace specialists and slaughterer anyway

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I'd do that

radiant chasm
tulip condor
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may as well complain about not getting the perfect stats for a weapon even though there isnt any break points it needs

radiant chasm
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for heavy sword, our BM is better vs elites, but I do not know how it works for psword

thick fossil
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Is there a way to trigger "invigorated" a few times in a row?

tulip condor
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But if you were aiming for the BM and power cycle, then yeah, feels bad that you almost had it

lusty jetty
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Regardless, PS is based

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I can't believe the MkVI can charge while blocking

terse idol
terse idol
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I don't remember however

radiant chasm
terse idol
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But BM is good regardless

radiant chasm
terse idol
terse idol
radiant chasm
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yes

terse idol
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Because I played my Rashad and

radiant chasm
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it is only added to the bonus weakspot damage

terse idol
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I can notice the missing 5% damage here

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Oh no yeah, I know what you mean

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That extra 15% on top does change BP's

radiant chasm
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same with rashad, it si the lack of damage fall off for 4 enemies

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not the weakspot damage

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that carries the blessing

terse idol
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Yes still

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That weakpoint damage is the difference between BP's in many cases

radiant chasm
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15% weakspot damage is about 5-6% damage

terse idol
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Yes it's siginifant enough

sharp tinsel
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Some peeps don't like the boltgun but like.

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look at this thing.

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I got such a good roll.

umbral scaffold
sleek garden
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i want pinning fire

terse idol
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And BM also has the ignore enemy mass tagline

radiant chasm
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slaught is 40% power

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which is all your damage

sleek garden
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i have a bolter with inspiring barrage which is stupid

terse idol
radiant chasm
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and cleave, and stagger,

terse idol
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BEcause you want it on as much as you want

junior needle
terse idol
umbral scaffold
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Sure, let me just pull one out of my ass

radiant chasm
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everyone runs power cycler 4, but slaught vs BM is close enough on powersword

lusty jetty
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Brutal Momentum is purely about "ignores hit mass"

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For unlimited cleave

radiant chasm
tulip condor
junior needle
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Well not unlimited

terse idol
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I disagree, the Ignore enemy mass is huge

junior needle
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You hit the target cap

lusty jetty
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Yeah

radiant chasm
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IS THAT YUO UNLIMITED CLEAVE WITH NO FALL OFF, 4 targets in a row

terse idol
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Well yeah

sharp tinsel
radiant chasm
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it is not the weakspot damage

terse idol
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Doesn't BM help vs crushers for Psword

radiant chasm
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the weakspot damage is only there to add ranks

terse idol
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And that's why we take it?

radiant chasm
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no? it would have to oneshot the crushers

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you must be reading about old BM and even that doesn't make sense for powersword

lusty jetty
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push stab 2-shots a crusher

terse idol
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I mean everyone runs BM for crusher

lusty jetty
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so long as you have PC

tulip condor
terse idol
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I mean

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For Pswrod

radiant chasm
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a stacked up slaught/rampage would also do that

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you would have a timing window to pull it off before the buff expires

terse idol
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Yes, but you have to stack it

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BM works out of the box

radiant chasm
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it is not hard to stack either

terse idol
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Flat 15%

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Or well

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15% ontop of weakpoint

radiant chasm
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5-6%

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no

terse idol
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yes, this is 5-6 on some Bp's

radiant chasm
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it's 15% weakspot, which is only applied to the weakspot bonus

terse idol
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I don't know the BP's on crusher with BM

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All I can is everyone uses it 😌

radiant chasm
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rampage (mislabelled tooltip) and slaughterer is power

terse idol
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Slaughterer probably works find too, but the need to stack it

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Is a little offputting

radiant chasm
terse idol
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It's not the meta for no reason

radiant chasm
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slaughterer and rampage both work fine at 36% and 40% power respectively

terse idol
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Is what I'm trying to get at

radiant chasm
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slaught was the former meta

umbral scaffold
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Slaughterer needing to be stacked is a nonissue for power sword

radiant chasm
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and can clear current elite packs fine

umbral scaffold
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You slap one charged light and you already got 3 stacks from the poxwalkers

radiant chasm
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just trying to get it through your head what to properly value

terse idol
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Yeah, I'm cooking

tulip condor
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Look ive played with both. Y'all can argue statistic as much as you like but at the end of the day when you are playing in a match. you aint gonna tell the difference except for the fact with BM you HAVE to aim for the head all the time

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radiant chasm
terse idol
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I will say however like

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I'd say if you have pcycler 4, you charge it

radiant chasm
sleek garden
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i think its more an issue that a weapon designed for single target power shouldnt also be the best at multi target clearing

terse idol
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You don't rely on uncharged sweeps

radiant chasm
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you generally always want to aim for the head

thick rose
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finally

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terse idol
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Or well

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Better for hordes

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Imo

terse idol
radiant chasm
terse idol
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Yes, wait

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Psword is for hordes

gilded rock
terse idol
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That deletes

umbral scaffold
radiant chasm
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psword is for hordes and non ogryn elites mostly

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but chain weapons exist

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and right now they are great at both

terse idol
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But chain weapons still kinda lose vs psword

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Because of funny hits on multiple crushers

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And better horde clear

radiant chasm
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nah, honestly power sword is nowhere near it's pre nerf state

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well, both pre nerf states

terse idol
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No kidding

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It literally had infinite cleave

tulip condor
terse idol
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But yeah, this is what I'm mentioning

radiant chasm
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the power cycler nerfs and the damage nerfs, chain weapons can ramp up way better and do more reliable single target

terse idol
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Until I can actually test it myself

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It seems like the difference between BM does matter vs crushers

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Or well BM is better for even single crushers

radiant chasm
terse idol
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Cause you can't stack rampage

terse idol
languid stump
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Why the fuck is this in the game files

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terse idol
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And still get power vs hordes

radiant chasm
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you can have rampage stacked before you fight a crusher

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same with slaught

terse idol
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I mean

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Okay

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What if you don't

radiant chasm
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it doesn't vanish

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i mean honestly

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i'd just krak it

terse idol
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I run shredders

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Krak isn't part of this

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This is why I would say Bm over it

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Because single crushers you don't have stacks

languid stump
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Rank my close range killing machine

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terse idol
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Like BM is always active

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There are cases where you don't have rampage stacked

radiant chasm
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BM value is always gonna be the no damage fall off for 4 enemies, not so much the weakspot damage

gilded rock
terse idol
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I mean the weakspot damage can mean BP differences

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Even if you're saying it's 5-6 percent some of these weapons are looking for that much

radiant chasm
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then go show me the differences

terse idol
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Yes, my rashad

radiant chasm
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5-6% is extremely minor

terse idol
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I don't have max Bm

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And this is means I don't make a 4 hit crusher BP

radiant chasm
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rashad likes it cause it can kill 4 elites in one swing

terse idol
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No

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It also

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Means a BP on a crusher

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If you don't have Max BM

tranquil bronze
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The hell is going on with Damnation pubs tonight. They've been absolute disasters.

terse idol
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I mean you already have Headtaker + BM

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I have a level 2 BM

radiant chasm
terse idol
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And the difference literally is 5%

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Give or take

radiant chasm
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level 2 vs level 4 is 2.5% difference, if not 2%

terse idol
radiant chasm
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for the weakspot bonus yes

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which when translated to total damage

terse idol
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How are you getting 2.5?

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What

radiant chasm
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10% weakspot perk translates to about 4% damage on the average weapon

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because of it's poor calculation fatshark cursed it with

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this applies to all sources of weakspot damage

languid stump
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How’s this shovel? Any good?

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terse idol
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It's the difference between 10-15
I have to run Fire team to actually make my BP

radiant chasm
radiant chasm
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fucking listen please

terse idol
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Yes

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It is

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No

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I know what you mean

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Oh my god

radiant chasm
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10% weakspot vs 15% weakspot

terse idol
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I literally to test it

radiant chasm
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is not 5% damage difference

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fine

languid stump
terse idol
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My man

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I'm losing it

radiant chasm
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fucking ignore me and live in your fantasy world and deny legitimate mechanics i am telling you

terse idol
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???

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dude

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I fucking tested it

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I don't have BM 4 this is literally the difference

radiant chasm
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the difference between 10% and 15% weakspot damage

terse idol
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For me running Fire team

radiant chasm
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is 2.5% damage at most

terse idol
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Yes, it's close

radiant chasm
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and if that is what breaks it for you

terse idol
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Because Rashad BP's are close

radiant chasm
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there has got to be something else you can change

terse idol
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Did you know that?

radiant chasm
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but now I dont even want to talk to you cause you are just stubborn and annoying and changing the goal posts

terse idol
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That Rashad has some very close tolerances

radiant chasm
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blocked message

finite imp
terse idol
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Ferret be like

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Incredible

finite imp
torn moat
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What do I want for blessings on a chain axe?

terse idol
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Like uh

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Anybody else wanna build a rashad with me

radiant chasm
terse idol
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There's a reason you need 70's in all damage

radiant chasm
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give me your perks i'm pulling up the calculator right now

lusty jetty
elder dawn
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alright i know plasma is being nerfed soon because this got rolled

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finite imp
terse idol
radiant chasm
terse idol
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I tested it one night

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If you're gonna do that alright

radiant chasm
tranquil bronze
terse idol
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I frankly don't care anymore

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Move on

radiant chasm
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im not fucking around what perks you runnign on your axe, and are you running headtaker or decimator

terse idol
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I don't care

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😌

tulip condor
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talking about the block stab?

thick fossil
tulip condor
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sick

radiant chasm
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i see about 2% difference in breakpoints and none of them crossing a breakpoint threshold with a 80% on all important mods rashad comparing BM 2 and BM4

languid stump
radiant chasm
lusty jetty
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I go for double block stab for crusher with psword, i can never get the head on normal attack

radiant chasm
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aight im done thank you for having me templars

radiant chasm
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go shovel some heretics

languid stump
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I will

lusty jetty
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pew pew pew pew

pew_pew.png
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I have spent probably 500k ordo and 15k plasteels trying to improve on this

radiant chasm
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for deadly accurate

thick fossil
lusty jetty
placid portal
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Only if you shoot more than 3 rounds

radiant chasm
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deadly accurate has enough number to compensate for it's poor weakspot/crit calculation

lusty jetty
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OS is superior

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IME

placid portal
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Oh that's cool

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Does Mk7 Vrak have fast Recoil reset

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?

radiant chasm
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vraks7 has high recently buffed finesse modifier

lusty jetty
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I ran DA for a long time

radiant chasm
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100% crit weakspot damage would come out to be.. above 50% damage boost

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but then again, you can't swap surgical to headhunter

lusty jetty
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Then Surgical+ HH for super crit party

radiant chasm
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well surgical headhunter is just overstacking on crit

lusty jetty
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But surgical + OS is the sweet spot

placid portal
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gotta double down brother

radiant chasm
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i run headhunter+ deadly accurate on all my autoguns

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I used to run OS

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but the deadly accurate and headhunter buffs

lusty jetty
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Vraks III gets HH and DA

placid portal
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I tried Agripinaa headhunter but I think I should try make improvements

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I really had a bad time testing in auirc

radiant chasm
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agri HH is weird, they buffed and fixed it up but 2 shot burst just doesn't feel natural to me

placid portal
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I feel like I'm missing more than a normal IAG

radiant chasm
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no wiki/games lantern documented the weakspot/crit damage ratio on guns

placid portal
radiant chasm
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so i can't check in browser

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but I guess surgical OS isn't bad since both need a pause between shots

lusty jetty
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Problem with DA is it needs a crit and a weakspot

radiant chasm
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but I run full auto mod for my poor fingers and even on the 7 I get tons of success with deadly accurate+headhunter

radiant chasm
lusty jetty
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OS just happens at minimum 50% of thebtime

radiant chasm
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what

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that's not how OS works

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it's a delay based system

lusty jetty
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Yes

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If you fire at max rate with the VII

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OS doesn't reset in time

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I.e. you're magdumping a Rager coming at you

radiant chasm
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it should happen 100% of the time since you are pausing shots, you just look for the buff

terse idol
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Double crit aint mah thing

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Which is why DA is so good with either surgical OR HH

lusty jetty
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Guys I encourage you to play the VII with those perks, trust

terse idol
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But I think for infantry lasguns HH is better

lusty jetty
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It is literally the only gun I use

radiant chasm
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but yea, deadshot talent and headhunter all i need

terse idol
radiant chasm
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to make vraks 7 deadly accurate work

lusty jetty
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I am gonna write an essay on this tomorrow when I get up lol

terse idol
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Wouldn't surgical be better for the amount of shots you have for a vraks 7

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And the recoil is pretty tough

radiant chasm
terse idol
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Ooooh

radiant chasm
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because I cannot click all throughout a game for each round

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my fingers will seize up about 2 matches in

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it lets me toggle the game to fire my guns at their semi auto firerate, doesn't go faster than what a human can do

terse idol
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Oh

radiant chasm
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via holding down the m1

terse idol
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I didn't realise the vraks had that

radiant chasm
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they dont

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a mod does

terse idol
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I just fire as many times as accurate I can

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Oh I know

radiant chasm
terse idol
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Didn't realise it didn't have a fixed fire rate

radiant chasm
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all semi auto guns have a fixed fire rate

terse idol
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Like the mkxii lasgun

radiant chasm
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ie they have different rate of fire if you are spamming m1

terse idol
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Or I should have said a slow one

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Ohh

radiant chasm
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i like DA with maniac flak perk i can onetap gunners/shotgunners with crits to the head

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flamers and ragers need 2 crits but I do try to rig the game in my favor

placid portal
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DA?

tranquil bronze
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Deadly Accurate

placid portal
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ah

tranquil bronze
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Absolute must for infantry las

placid portal
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Ofc

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sucks how kantrael recoil animation is atrocious

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No wonder why ppl transitioned to IAGs

thick fossil
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Do you run deadshot with your infantry las?

junior needle
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Infantry lasguns could use some fixes, less atrocious sight bouncing and less garbage damage to flak would help

umbral scaffold
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I don't understand ADMs

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I mean, I understand them, but I think ADMs and enemies were developed by two groups who had nothing to do with each other

tranquil bronze
umbral scaffold
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Like, you have people who went "hm, this needs better damage on flak/maniac than the other"

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And then people who went "yeah, let's make most of the roster flak and maniac"

junior needle
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What’s adm

umbral scaffold
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Like

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???

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Armor damage modifier

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Or something like that

junior needle
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It was ye olde darktide weapon balancing from release

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All guns had to be shit against an armor type

umbral scaffold
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Like, in theory it's cool to have weapons that do different things to different enemies

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But you need the enemy roster to balance that out too

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Make the player feel somewhat equally important

thick fossil
umbral scaffold
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Not "oh shit, my gun deals shit flak and that means I'm screwed"

junior needle
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Or shit overall and then extra shit to maniac and unyielding

umbral scaffold
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One of the reasons autopistol is the way it is is because the flak modifier is abysmal

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Fuck the maniac, I can't magdump most of the scab and dreg roster

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Then you have the fucking rending talents

junior needle
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Onslaught bandaids it at least

umbral scaffold
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I used them just now, onslaught is really nice

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But then I think of psyker and zealot

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Boom, gun dead again

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Lore-accurate rashad

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This messes me up so bad, I think the weapon is longer than it actually is

tranquil bronze
strange sparrow
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It make no fuckin sense

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Or make them more ammo efficient like Hellbore

junior needle
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The infantry lasguns are already quite ammo efficient

umbral scaffold
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I also uh

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Found something out that I haven't heard before

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ADSing the agripinaa shotgun reduces its cleave

junior needle
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Helbores are just more value due to needing less shots because actual armor pen and surgical/shocktrooper

umbral scaffold
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Shartfak

strange sparrow
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The thing is I’m expecting lasgun to perform like Hellbore in terms of ammo atleast

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It’s ammo efficient but I wish its way better

junior needle
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Helbores are a speshul case because someone at fatshark loves the guns and they're never allowed to be nerfed

strange sparrow
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Also their weak dmg drain more ammo too

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Which is annoying in general

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Lore wise, Lasgun should be ammo efficient in nature or ammo abundant

junior needle
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Lore wise, lasguns shouldnt have recoil either

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Fartshart takes some liberties though unfortunately

strange sparrow
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I’m alright removing the recoil

thick fossil
strange sparrow
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Make no sense an energy weapon have recoil

strange sparrow
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It’s an energy weapon

junior needle
strange sparrow
junior needle
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There's a passage or something about artificial recoil for training recruits used to autoguns

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But that's still nonsensical

thick fossil
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They do have recoil in the lore, why? Because GW

junior needle
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I'm going to need a reliable source for that

strange sparrow
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I just don’t get it tbh

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Like it’s probably old lore that said that Astra militarium train with lasgun and they can’t control recoil

thick fossil
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I don't really want to quote books for this, would you be happy if I name you ever single Warhammer 40k game having lasguns with recoil instead?

junior needle
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Gameplay concessions aren't exactly canon

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Or developers taking liberties because "we think this looks cool"

strange sparrow
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just like how we should be executed while being in penal for seeing daemonhost

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Or beast of nurgle

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Or chaos spawn

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Also DT lore is badly structured

tiny summit
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This game still runs like ass on my laptop

terse idol
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hmm interesting formation

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😌

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feel so protected

umbral scaffold
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fard

paper furnace
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yes clearly this gun needs more ammo efficiency...

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umbral scaffold
terse idol
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the imperium makes alot of exceptions

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How could you kill your best kill team

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just because they saw 1 bon

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Or damemon host

frank basin
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People blindly say “FOR DA EMPRAH”

paper furnace
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do people want recoil-less lasgun? just play recon?

junior needle
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Also infantry las use multiple "ammo" per shot

paper furnace
strange sparrow
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Inflated ammo number by lasgun

paper furnace
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makes survivalist stronger :)

strange sparrow
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Does it make it stronger if you always run into net negative anyways

paper furnace
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have u used the iv infanty

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the only way you run out of ammo is shooting your foot

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for 5 minutes

strange sparrow
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I used lasgun couple time and removed them for blessing until they get buff tbh

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Not great gun

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Also I keep a minimal weapon in my storage so I always sell garbage

paper furnace
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ah, well... crit blessings with the crit-refund is significant with that ammo pool.

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i recommend giving it a "shot"

frank basin
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Hey there’s outfit that make you looks like guardsmen?

strange sparrow
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Isnt the IV, that people download full auto mod so they don’t delete their M1

strange sparrow
placid portal
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Also self sabotage

frank basin
strange sparrow
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The only lasweapon I really fucked with is hellbore

placid portal
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Fun stuff

strange sparrow
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All these lasweapon need their gimmick damage falloff removed

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The closer they are, the less damage you do is hella dumb in tide game

frank basin
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Full auto MG IV.

tiny summit
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Downloaded the full auto mod. I take back anything bad I said about using it. It should really just be a toggle in game

tall torrent
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Helbore dmg profile is ok

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Infantry lasgun needs better close range dmg

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And prob better cleave

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At least MG12 should cleave 1 soft target like helbore

paper furnace
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why would you need close damage, just melee :)

strange sparrow
tall torrent
strange sparrow
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So your normal engagement already suffering

placid portal
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^

leaden grove
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braced auto gun

strange sparrow
placid portal
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Unless gunning down gunners and shooters

crude ermine
sharp ember
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when’s braced lasgun

placid portal
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should have bayonet then

strange sparrow
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Waiting for the day they make lasgun good

placid portal
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Hoping they make lasguns have Bayonets

frank basin
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So you can become guardsmen?

leaden grove
tiny summit
frank basin
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Hellgun are braced

placid portal
leaden grove
paper furnace
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just shoot the things, you have infinite ammo and they die whats the problem

frank basin
paper furnace
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sounds like a skill dropoff

strange sparrow
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Also I don’t know does this impact IV but ShockTropper is nerfed isn’t it

frank basin
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It is they featured guardsmen?

tiny summit
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Helbore is a psyker staff for the marine class

strange sparrow
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So you don’t get unlimited ammo

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In reality, you don’t get as much ammo efficient as you were expecting with it

placid portal
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apparently shocktrooper has a hidden cooldown

strange sparrow
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Yea that’s what I remember too because I build 100% Crit rate hellbore

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And it doesn’t refund me

paper furnace
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🤷‍♂️ idk guess im built different

strange sparrow
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Also don’t get me wrong, InfantryLas is alright

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As long you aren’t taking ReconLas

leaden grove
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i think shock trooper is kinda not good because most laz guns have a shit ton of ammo anyway. and if your a good shot you just straight up never need to garb ammo in a map

strange sparrow
#

There isn’t any meta demanding stuff for you to follow but there would always be people being deadweight with ReconLas

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Trying to prove otherwise

tiny summit
#

Last time I hit yellow on helbore was the finale of the first Carnival map. People still don't realize you need someone at least halfway in the back of the holdout spot otherwise you risk specials spawning behind you. So I was sitting just outside coherency, shooting

leaden grove
#

recon laz guns are still just shit which is kinda sad

strange sparrow
#

I still love the other day

tiny summit
strange sparrow
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The guy try to prove recon las is ok while doing 300k damage while other 2 dude is doing 800k each

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Calling it not a “hard carried” match

tiny summit
#

But I use helbore so I'm just removed from the ammo economy

strange sparrow
#

And recon las is totally usable

placid portal
#

Helbore is fun

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Ignore Supresssion

terse idol
#

They gotta make exceptions

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😌

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THE INQUISITION

leaden grove
terse idol
#

DO NOT QUESTION THE METHODS

strange sparrow
tiny summit
#

Also when I play lasguns I like ET. So every headshot is toughness

strange sparrow
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I play my Hellbore like autogun sometime

leaden grove
drifting oak
#

the greatest secret of helbore is that you can spam shots un-ADS'd while moving

leaden grove
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i used shocktrooper for awhile then i swaped it to something to give me more dps

tiny summit
drifting oak
#

(also the greatest secret of infatnry lasguns, mg4 actually has really good hipfire accuracy)

strange sparrow
#

Also onslaught build up fast for you to spam

placid portal
#

Also it gets accurate when you charge your shots allowing you to hit targets at midrange

strange sparrow
#

I end up going very ammo poor with hellbore cuz I like to shoot

placid portal
tiny summit
#

But I still charge shot everything because I'm lining up shots anyways

leaden grove
#

helbore is really fun

strange sparrow
#

The only good lasgun family

willow badger
#

i'll be honest i've never actually run out of ammo with infantry las without shocktrooper

placid portal
#

Point and Shooting gallery

strange sparrow
tiny summit
#

Since I use mk2, I have 1 with onslaught and 1 w/o

placid portal
#

They even put down crushers for a weapon with alot of ammo

tiny summit
#

I actually like falter on mk2

willow badger
#

idk if i like mk1 or mk2 better ngl

placid portal
#

Kinda mixed bag innit?

tiny summit
#

Onslaught does make it faster, but mk2 charge is good enough

placid portal
#

Mk1 got the knife bayonet and mk2 has the fork bayonet

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mk2 charge do be fast

crude ermine
#

Yeah so like

placid portal
#

isn't the current mk2 charge speed spread like 0.2 ~ 0.33?

crude ermine
#

The mk1 didn't hit at all

willow badger
#

i just use weapon customization to put whatever bayo i want for style points

tiny summit
#

Shoot a mauler in the face with falter and he has to take a pause on life

crude ermine
#

It's nice, but I do feel I wasted a bit of plasteel

strange sparrow
#

I love the Mk3 Barrel tbh

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It have those ironsight extension at the end

placid portal
#

mk3 got that length

placid portal
crude ermine
placid portal
#

I love the design for mk3

willow badger
#

ngl i've been trying to not use columnus these days and i've been enjoying infantry las quite a bit

terse idol
#

Its fun!

willow badger
#

1a las is p lit

placid portal
#

I use Agripinaa IAG

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Love me Agripinaas

drifting oak
#

i don't underestand the columnus hype tbh

leaden grove
#

i use mk3 helbore if i run one anyway

willow badger
#

depends on ur playstyle

placid portal
#

It's got the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

drifting oak
#

i feel like its ammo economy sucks

crude ermine
#

I like 2

drifting oak
#

like recon las tier

willow badger
#

nah ive never run out of ammo with columnus

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it just depends if your style is more shooty or more stabby

placid portal
#

It burns ammo as fast as it burn enemies

crude ermine
#

Same

strange sparrow
#

It’s ammo economy does suck if you don’t build Crit string

drifting oak
#

and every time I'm on a team with a columnus they go through literally all the team's ammo

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with very little to show for it

tiny summit
#

Right now it's helbores and infantry las on vet. Bolter and agri brauto on zealot.

placid portal
#

Gotta put the effort to build well

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Boltgun on zealot kinda counterintuitive no?

crude ermine
#

Imagine if psykers could get helbores for like no reason

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Literally doesn't even need them

strange sparrow
#

Because net negative

placid portal
#

Can't react to ranged threats you can't reach with melee

crude ermine
#

But it'd be funny if they did

placid portal
#

Would be hilarious

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Psykers likely has 100% crit don't they?

willow badger
#

this is my stagger helbore

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i got it earlyt on which is why everything is locked

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had no idea how to do perks

placid portal
#

based

crude ermine
tiny summit
placid portal
#

Well spoken

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Gotta admit

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IAG + Marksmen focus is kinda fun

willow badger
#

i'm ngl skill is like 99% of the job

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gear is 1%

crude ermine
#

The game kept giving me no respite and falter 4 so I got a free t4 blessing

placid portal
#

no respite is nice for mk2

drifting oak
crude ermine
#

Every helbores besides 1 had no respite

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Like, the one helbore I got

placid portal
#

well better than infernus

tiny summit
crude ermine
#

THAT FUCKING BLESSING

drifting oak
#

Like I could have used an infantry lasgun for the performance I got against shooters and used 10% of the ammo
Being able to kill one (1) crusher with a magazine didn't feel like a particularly good tradeoff
Spraying into hordes wasn't significatnly better than doing it with an infantry lasgun ANYWAY

crude ermine
#

Is why my 3 373 perfectly rolled mk 1 helbores became bricks

drifting oak
#

nah, elites and specials was 100% better done by infantry las

tiny summit
drifting oak
#

muties take insane damage from infantry las for some reason

willow badger
#

this my mk1

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placid portal
#

IAG kinda shreds if you let it rip at headheight

drifting oak
#

and the big thing is per-magazine performance

tiny summit
#

I love lasguns but CIAG dps at its effective range far outpaces the lasguns

drifting oak
#

you can kill literally full elite spawns with a single infantry las magazine including multiple muties

willow badger
#

i'm ngl i'm never gonna shoot a crusher

drifting oak
#

IAG doesn't even compare

placid portal
#

^

willow badger
#

i will stab it in the head with a powersword

placid portal
#

I will parry it

willow badger
#

unless you're like revolvering or plasma gunning, idk if shooting a crusher is worth ur time

crude ermine
#

I'll stab it

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With power...

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Sword

placid portal
#

like... Really hard

tiny summit
strange sparrow
#

But it’s brain dead

placid portal
#

It is because it shreds

tiny summit
#

Of course. Lasguns and CIAG are just different roles

willow badger
#

rate my ciag

image.png
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should i swap stripped down for something

placid portal
#

No Dum Dum?

willow badger
#

i have dumdum just havent thrown it on yet

drifting oak
#

as far as culling a typical specials wave

tiny summit
#

CIAG is basically just a smg. Infantry lasguns are your generic bread n butter mid to longer range. Still gonna pale to the fire rate of a CIAG when ragers are in your face

placid portal
#

I think you can hold ground against a Pox Hound Hoarde with Columnus

willow badger
#

lol

drifting oak
#

have people even tried hipfiring the mg4 while backpedaling

willow badger
#

it is kinda fun to brrt a pox horde tho

drifting oak
#

because I feel like they haven't

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even the mg1a does okay

willow badger
#

i prefer mg1a to mg4 ngl

tiny summit
willow badger
#

also what do you folks throw on your infantry las in terms of blessings?

drifting oak
#

yeah, you'll be slower with the IAG, y'wanna know why, because your magazine goes click after 4 of them

placid portal
#

Deadly Accurate and head hunting feels like a perma fix

drifting oak
#

I cannot stan the magazine size of infantry las enough compared to IAG

placid portal
#

gotta crit down the fools

drifting oak
#

seriously those things feel like I'm always fucking reloading them

placid portal
#

pretty sure Infantry las actual mag size is like 30~40 shots

tiny summit
#

Kinda sounds like a bad CIAG or skill issue if you can't make it work where it excels. Like it's dps is in fact better than infantry las

willow badger
#

is it worth throwing 10% rending on an infantry las

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vs like deadshot or something

placid portal
#

nah

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Crits all the way

tiny summit
#

I still don't like deadshot

willow badger
#

i'm trying it out to see how it goes but yeah ruunning out of stamina does kinda blow

placid portal
#

ok scratch what I said about the mag size mk4 does have pretty insane mag size

drifting oak
placid portal
#

You gotta pair it with stamina recovering passives or bust

drifting oak
#

you need the 10% rending node for it

placid portal
#

Reciprocity + Duck and dive

drifting oak
#

(you could alternatively grab marksman's focus with the same 2-point expenditure, BUT that one is conditional while 10% rending is not)

placid portal
#

Better to get the 15 stack or 2.5% Replenishment over 10 rending

left zephyr
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

tiny summit
#

MF 10% rending node is some of the dumbest shit lve seen

left zephyr
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

willow badger
drifting oak
#

sec

placid portal
#

Easier to get headshot kills if you shoot fast

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Don't have to worry about running out of stacks

willow badger
#

this is the definitely not optimized build i'm running rn

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drifting oak
#

this is what I use, I don't think it's "better" than a VOC build and going VOC lets you take other goodies like improved frags because of points savings

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tiny summit
#

And 15 stacks vs free stacks. Like cmon fatshark. Maybe extra stacks off headshots with increased stacks?

placid portal
#

I would argue that 15 stacks is kinda better than free stack building imo

willow badger
drifting oak
#

with a 25% flak mg12 lasgun, you can one-tap scab gunner heads

placid portal
#

you get stacks really easily

#

any headshot kills is a 3 stack

drifting oak
#

camouflage builds up stacks passively REALLY fast though

placid portal
#

so 5 fodder headshot kills which is really just a quick burst head height into a hoarde is full stacks

tiny summit
drifting oak
#

like people are always so quick to say wehhhh darktide is a mobile game you should never be standing still

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bitch I stand still all teh fucking time while shooting

#

do people never find good angles or jump on top of boxes

placid portal
#

camo builds stacks every .75 s no

#

?

tiny summit
#

15 stacks is a higher high while a far less consistent uptime

strange sparrow
#

The issue is MF bonus suck

placid portal
#

You just kill things with headshots

drifting oak
#

do people never play the desert maps where you get into absurd stand-and-shoots across massive wide spaces?

strange sparrow
#

Finesse damage man

tiny summit
#

Yea and it's like nothing

placid portal
strange sparrow
#

Just give other stuff aaaaaa

#

Mechanic is ok, just pop head

tiny summit
#

1% reload per stack. Wooh

strange sparrow
#

But the return on effort

drifting oak
#

yeah if you got other bonuses for popping heads

strange sparrow
drifting oak
#

other than "even more damage that you don't need on 90% of weapons"

placid portal
#

who thought that 1% reload per stack is good

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should be 2%

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or 1.5%

strange sparrow
#

Yipee 1% reload speed per stack

#

Totally why we take MF right guys

placid portal
#

Even tac reload or the Elite kill reload has 20% 30%

willow badger
#

i have actually never run anything other than VoC hahaha

drifting oak
#

the only gun that noticeably gets a buff from it is mg4 las, you'd think that it'd be good on IAGs but the thing is IAGs already have so much finesse damage that the bonus is hilariously diluted even on 15 stacks

crude ermine
tiny summit
drifting oak
#

there was a youtuber who wanted to cope that marksman's focus and spraying with IAG was a "free 60% damage boost" because he can't do fucking math

gaunt hinge
#

slug shotty reload build meme

strange sparrow
#

help

crude ermine
#

I can't help, lest I be infected

placid portal
willow badger
#

also also what curio combos you guys run? health/health/toughness?

placid portal
#

3 +3 Stamina

willow badger
#

pog

placid portal
#

never worry about getting caught off guard in a hoarde

willow badger
#

fuck it i'll give it a go

placid portal
#

Push Block to Victory

drifting oak
#

i go woundx1 , toughness x2, but sometimes when I'm tilted and the quality of pubs is way down I go toughnes x3

tiny summit
gaunt hinge
placid portal
strange sparrow
gaunt hinge
#

we be sprinting 24/7

#

eat all the material pickups

crude ermine
#

Oh god mitosis what the fuck

placid portal
strange sparrow
tiny summit
#

Sometimes I look at running wounds again

Poxburster.gif
strange sparrow
#

Lmao

placid portal
drifting oak
#

also "free" as if you didn't have to burn 3 perk points for it

gaunt hinge
#

audio skill issue

placid portal
#

Can't deny having 3 wounds is nice

crude ermine
crude fiber
placid portal
drifting oak
#

his examples were

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spraying into poxwalkers

willow badger
#

yall actually run +9 stamina?

crude ermine
#

I get pain when I push a burster and it falls in front of me

tiny summit
#

I heard the burster. But the audio was fucked that it sounded like it was across the map

drifting oak
#

and spraying into poxwalkers->magdumping a stationary plogyrn head

placid portal
willow badger
#

bet

crude ermine
#

Just a blank face

drifting oak
#

"guys, it's a free 60% damage boost and y'all are just bad for not using it"

crude ermine
willow badger
#

alright imma run toughness and 2 +3s cause yall think you are funny

placid portal
crude ermine
#

Brunt keeps selling me those

#

A lot

placid portal
#

Careful once you slap on the stamina curios, you won't take it off

crude ermine
#

And 17% toughness

#

when I already have 4

willow badger
#

i have never seen a 17% toughness

placid portal
#

Rare as heck

crude ermine
#

Brunt please give them to my fucking psyker

#

Or zel

placid portal
#

all a myth

#

a lie

#

a fabrication

crude fiber
#

its hard to worry about health or toughness when you can just block 20 melee attacks in a row

placid portal
drifting oak
tiny summit
#

Gib MF more crit chance and penetration

placid portal
willow badger
#

isnt crusher overhead an insta kill

placid portal
#

almost

willow badger
#

lol i have never survived one ]

tiny summit
#

You can live it.

placid portal
#

you need 200+ HP to survive at normal circumstances

drifting oak
crude fiber
drifting oak
#

even without curios

#

but I could be wrong

sharp ember
#

if you have enough of toughness damage mitigation you can eat one without dying

placid portal
#

you need to block to lose all stamina and be at like 50 hp

drifting oak
#

huh, does blocking it actually reduce the damage?

crude fiber
#

or have over toughness and lose no health

placid portal
#

Blocking seems to mitigate their unblockables but parry guarantees survival

hearty frigate
#

is it medici

#

or medicae

#

or medicay

placid portal
#

e

drifting oak
#

medicae, it's some latin-y corruption

tiny summit
crude ermine
#

Medicate station

placid portal
#

Pretty much

crude ermine
#

Simpletons

placid portal
#

"It gets so lonely here, please take me with you"

drifting oak
placid portal
#

I wish Medicae Servitor, I wish

crude ermine
#

Imagine the poor bastard being put there

#

Touching us

placid portal
#

He just sees all the worst wounds possible and just slaps on a bandaid and stims

#

he has no will and must scream

crude fiber
#

i tested this earlier today actually, at 16 stam and 56% block efficiency crusher over head still 1 shots you at full healt and toughness through block on vet

crude ermine
#

He should eat a snickers

placid portal
#

Overheads do be a damn predicament

#

unles you got the claw

strange sparrow
flint arrow
#

thats what the revolvers for

#

or shout talent

strange sparrow
#

Normal block doesnt work against that

flint arrow
#

or not being near in the first place

#

or dodging

crude fiber
#

overtoughness saves you from any 1 hit. snipers, bursters, mauler/crusher overheads. only if your at max toughness though

placid portal
#

Woe, a Grenade upon ye

crude fiber
flint arrow
#

devils claw?

crude fiber
#

yes but what

placid portal
#

Claw parry is probs the only way to survive overheads

drifting oak
#

nah overtoughness definitely does it too

#

VOC/relic

placid portal
#

Relic give invuln don't it?

flint arrow
#

u can eat one with shout

drifting oak
#

nah just with relic toughness handed out to you

crude fiber
#

oh yes if you do as parry last second it wont take that much stamina actually. even if you parry super early itll just guard break you

flint arrow
#

and toughness dmg reduction talent

drifting oak
#

you can live (but take a gorillion damage still)

placid portal
#

It says it grant invulnerability though in skill desc

flint arrow
#

...i think

placid portal
#

or i misread it

drifting oak
placid portal
#

liek an ogryn

drifting oak
#

it's mostly not worth worrying about

strange sparrow
#

I thought it's only limited to Devil Claw Parry

drifting oak
#

the only instances where it's relevant are like getting sniped

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or walking through fire

#

you'll come out with 1hp while channeling relic

strange sparrow
#

I remember someone show a clip where they have max block efficiency and 3 x 3 stamina curios and a Ps6

crude fiber
strange sparrow
#

died to an overhead

crude fiber
#

that was me earlier today probably

placid portal
strange sparrow
#

Yeahhh, I was wondering like did someone found something weird again

crude fiber
#

in before all weapons have innate parry mechanics if you frame perfect block

#

(joking)

umbral scaffold
#

Honestly

placid portal
#

it was a thing in Vermintide ye?

umbral scaffold
#

I actually wanted weapons to have this kind of block push timing where if you block push an enemy's attack, it has some kind of effect like reduced stamina cost or more stagger

drifting oak
placid portal
#

I see

drifting oak
#

most wepaons had a 90 degree cone in front
some weapons had a buffed block angle, 180 degrees
some weapons had a tiny 45 degree angle up front

subtle schooner
#

the rambo planet😭

placid portal
#

Cat a-can

placid portal
#

Chaos Legion? Nope. Daemonic Incursion? What Incursion?

#

if warp entities can't survive that damn planet I don't wanna know what horrible things exist in the deep jungles of Catachan

thick wolf
#

chaos vs. emu

tawny pawn
hoary stratus
#

the bayonet is so silly but so fun

#

how long has it been like this?

drifting oak
#

uhhh, just hte most recent big-patch-that-touched-most-things-balance, I think

#

so not THAT long ago

tranquil bronze
#

Headhunter III and IV prove to be elusive for infantry las

slender turtle
#

I did this for a meme. Im liking the mk 4 but firing too quickly just has me jumping all over the place

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tranquil bronze
#

Or a discount CIAG

slender turtle
drifting oak
#

so when you're full autoing it you can hit heads if you adjust downward a little bit, ONCE

#

using the full auto mod makes it very consistent at that

slender turtle
tranquil bronze
#

MG IV do be quirky like that

drifting oak
#

yeah, aim for body or even at very long range, legs

#

once you get to your second->third shot

#

you'll notice that between the second and third shot, the weapon doesn't have time to "drop" very much back to its original position

#

but the third shot only makes it go up a very little amount

#

this is where the mg4 has now "stabilized" so you try to aim for that

slender turtle
#

Who designs these guns to be like this? MAAAN

drifting oak
#

it helps a TON to use the crosshair remap mod where you can get an actual dot where your gun is ACTUALLY aiming

#

and not a fucked up mess of camera/FOV perspective with a sight that is literally not aiming where you are

tranquil bronze
#

If you want precision, go for MG XII

#

MG IV is not built for long range plinking

slender turtle
#

Too slow. I just like the MG la

drifting oak
#

nah, mg4 is fine at long range too, as long as you hit heads

#

mg1a is better for bodyshots and taking out targets in cover (whom often don't even have visible heads)

#

and then the mg12 exists for one-shotting scab gunner heads

tranquil bronze
#

MG Ia is an assault rifle when using full auto

slender turtle
#

I just want FS to buff the fucking recon lasguns for gods sake. I want something for my stealth melee vet

tranquil bronze
#

Go for CIAG then

leaden grove
#

agri mk1 infantry autogun is pretty solid

slow quest
#

What are the best blessings for bolter right now?

slow quest
slender turtle
slender turtle
drifting oak
#

surgical is a bit of a meme on bolter IMO

#

if you're aiming for that long on bolter

#

you need a new weapon

#

because you're facing the swap speed + stacking up surgical

#

you could be using pretty much any other gun and actually killin your target AND not being ammo-stressed

slender turtle
drifting oak
#

bolter is for fullauoting into elite pulls

#

if you try and cover its inability to do anything else by diluting that build, you just have a worse weapon

slender turtle
#

shattering impact. man thats what i forgot about it

serene sage
drifting oak
#

shatteringimpact+pinning fire is the only way to go, and I've seen arguments that it's not even worth it to take flak at all, just go full carapace+unyielding

serene sage
#

the time for recoil to reset would already mean Surgical value

drifting oak
#

and mentally subscribe that your bolter ammunition is basically flamer ammunition "but for ogyrn pulls only"

slender turtle
#

I was waiting on foxhope to come in and say something KEKW_ogryn

tall torrent
#

Surgical stacks up pretty fast for boltgun

frank basin
#

“Flak+maniac” is everywhere

serene sage
tall torrent
#

Usually you get 1-2 stacks of surgical between shots if you’re not rapid firing

serene sage
#

I mean Shattering + PF is totally cool

frank basin
#

I treat boltgun as anti-tank unit weapon

drifting oak
serene sage
#

but Surgical is cool, too
I don't think saying things like if you take time to aim on the bolter, you need a better gun is a fair statement

drifting oak
#

which is a pretty fucking huge opportunity cost for weakening the weapon at the one thing it's good at

serene sage
#

like are you aiming at full auto speed all time time?

#

if so, you should play another game

#

called CSGO

#

and actually earn money

frank basin
#

CS2

tall torrent
drifting oak
#

nah it helps a ton on maulers too

#

and flak ragers

serene sage
drifting oak
#

flak ragers mainly

#

fully drops the hitstokill last I checked

serene sage
#

you already deal 100% to flak

tall torrent
#

You need to drop below 80% dmg modifier to have 20% brittleness be relevant enough

drifting oak
#

by a whole shot?

#

doesn't it?

serene sage
#

why would rending help?

#

for flak specifically

drifting oak
#

it still buffs your damage once it goes over doesn't it

#

let me find the rending breakdown

serene sage
#

but I 2-3 tap flak ragers

tall torrent
frank basin
#

Rendering deal more damage to armor

abstract niche
#

I personally can’t go back to using anything after trying the Plasma gun

serene sage
#

can you consistently get 2 taps with shattering?

tall torrent
#

Which is not good whatsoever

serene sage
#

cause I don't think you can

#

(not a knock, im just genuinely think you can't)

drifting oak
#

which was huge

tall torrent
#

That 20% brittleness gets converted into 5% damage

#

On flak

frank basin
#

Brittleness aren’t they just reduce armor values?

serene sage
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also surgical lets you body tap one shot dreg gunners

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You actually would have an easier time just getting surgical to stack crit into having a better breakpoint

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so there's that bonus which is kinda big

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but surgical is literally irrelevant in that situation

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of fullautoing a rager pull

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Don’t take surgical and use it in the full auto magdump application then

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and crit headshot can one shot ragers

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if you're NOT going to full auto things with a bolter

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why are you not taking say a helbore

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again, I think it's a case where Surgical = Shattering = PF

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instead of Surical < Shattering = PF

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