veteran-class

[finite imp]

issue

[shadow aurora]

Right

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-25976706

[magic geyser]

thanky

[oak stag]

How do I fix this?

[shadow aurora]

Plasma+surv is pretty much infinite krak nades

[fresh grail]

Those modifiers 🤤

melee damage elites isn't bad, though i don't know what you want to use the axe for. Hordes?

[oak stag]

Pair it with plasma probably, have a dec powersword for the recon lasgun build

[fresh grail]

If you have slaughterer blessing available then that's a must pick for sure. Chain axe has some really good 'on weapon special activation' blessings too if you play around that

[magic geyser]

chain axe sounds so weird, like you're slapping an enemy with a dead fish

[fresh grail]

Though with plasma i don't think you need more elite damage, not sure how well a chain axe goes. The ones i build are anti-elite on veteran and zealot

[finite imp]

is precog good on knife

be real with me

[fresh grail]

All the knifers seem to be playing zealot at the moment

[frank ether]

was that the crit on dodge

or weakspot

[finite imp]

finesse damamge

+55 percent

on dodge

[tough tiger]

I think you're just swinging around a hunk of metal since there's no rev on the lights

[frank ether]

I mean its probably fine if you play into it but I prefer other stuff

I'd just say its probably better on veteran than zealot

[shadow aurora]

I guess it could be good although id choose something else

[finite imp]

i run uncanny strike as a staple

but im not sure what to combo with

[brisk sapphire]

naturally

[frank ether]

veteran has a talent that gives you a stacking crit chance buff on dodge

[shadow aurora]

It would probably work best with that dodge sprint skill for zealot

[junior needle]

I assume it'll be a circle jerk and it's hard to beat 3 people coordinated towards killing all the specials/elites on sight

[magic geyser]

i use knife on psyker.... lol

[fresh grail]

stay stabbing king, always good when people stray from the boring meta

[finite imp]

and yet he still pussied out

[junior needle]

There's a few options, uncanny is always run though. Executor, mercy killer (only with serrated blade), riposte, the other one

[magic geyser]

its fun to run around with DD and Scriers Gaze and just stabbing for massive damage at insane movement speed

[shadow aurora]

Tbh knife for psyker sounds really good on paper. Take peril block skill and youre good

[fresh grail]

i've never tried it but it does sound like a blast

[magic geyser]

lol nah i just yeet around if i die i die

movement speed is insano

[primal mesa]

the guy never got back to me no dm no in game no nothing. at this point im just blocking all you people who said you'd do it then went on to talk loads of shit and never actually do anything

[shadow aurora]

What

[magic geyser]

i use alongside columnus, i had a game with 2 gunlugger ogryns and i didnt want to take their ammo, so i ran the entire heresy game with just my knife

[junior needle]

Don't think psyker has anything in particular that boosts knife except maybe some crit talents

[shadow aurora]

I mean i use knife for utility more than anything

Ive seen it do good damage with bleed and stuff but even without that setup its really good

[junior needle]

Zealot is the best oriented for bleed setups

[shadow aurora]

And since psyker has staffs for infinite ammo you can stay out of melee alot of the game

[junior needle]

Although you could go ham during scriers with flesh tearer

It gives you a bunch of crit right?

But outside of that probably not so great

[shadow aurora]

Scriers is ok. Worse than bubble and shriek but its still good

I use it with my dueling sword

[fresh grail]

Autogun talk earlier reminded me about supression. Keep Their Heads Down is one of my favorite talents and i barely hear and talk about it. The joy of seeing an entire horde cower before your braced auto gun bullet hoze makes you feel 💪

[junior needle]

That's because it's largely redundant and doesn't actually boost your damage

[bitter turtle]

I'll be honest with you

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i quite like that passive. 50% is nutty

[bitter turtle]

You don't hear it because it's one of the worst talents in the tree

[fresh grail]

It doesn't boost your damage because it's CC

[junior needle]

Brautos already have amazing suppression

[shadow aurora]

How so?

[fresh grail]

indeed, i want even more. I've tested it many times with and without and there is a noticeable difference

on the Agri braced

[magic geyser]

your gunlugger ogryn appreciates it if you take that, because they get an aura to do extra damage against suppressed enemies

[junior needle]

It can actually makes shooters harder to mop up because they won't stand in a crowd and get mowed down, they'll scatter instead

[fresh grail]

i'd rather they scatter than them standing 20 in a row mowing everyone down.

[junior needle]

Cover

[fresh grail]

them scattering is them not outputting damage, is how i treat it.

[junior needle]

Grenades

[bitter turtle]

Suppression is a very eh effect to begin with

You actually don't really want it sometimes?

They cover their heads and yeah, scatter

[fresh grail]

It's fine, might be more applicable in hi int auric

[flint arrow]

makes enemies harder to kill at times

[bitter turtle]

I'd rather just literally kill them

[flint arrow]

they duck behind cover and spread out

[fresh grail]

not like theres a lack of stuff to shoot at in higher difficulties. I'm perfectly fine with them scattering (and not shooting at me or the team)

[shadow aurora]

I run a vet support build and being able to stop an entire horde in there tracks is nuts

[bitter turtle]

Once you understand how to become bullet immune on command that is rarely a problem

I'd rather them be together and mow them down

Than scatter and waste more time picking them off individually

[fresh grail]

it's not just about being immune yourself, its about stopping the gunner squad from shooting. It's very useful in pubs aurics for sure.

[frank ether]

I mean its better than being shredded by 50 gunners on sight but kinda eeh

I guess its gun dependant?

[bitter turtle]

Js why people don't usually take it is all

[junior needle]

The thing is, it's just delaying it a bit and moving them to better positions

[fresh grail]

yeah for sure

[bitter turtle]

Or suppression in general

[fresh grail]

i wouldn't take surpression on any lasgun for example.

[flint arrow]

just shoot the gunners in the head 4head

[bitter turtle]

All you're doing is making it harder to kill them a lot of times

[frank ether]

I'd probably take it on something absolutely miserable like shredder autopistol or recon definitely a must have for low dps guns

but uh, dont pick a low dps gun sdfgkvb

[bitter turtle]

Recon definitely doesn't want suppression even if you did use the gun

[strange sparrow]

This

[fresh grail]

Braced autogun with surpression is an awesome build on higher difficulties

[bitter turtle]

The whole point is that it has no recoil and low stagger to make headshots easy

[frank ether]

yeah this is kinda my problem with suppression but its probably fine for brauto

[junior needle]

Recons have dogshit suppression, so that'd be an extra bad pick there

[bitter turtle]

And I play only auric mael personally

And I hate

Enemies getting suppressed lol

[frank ether]

brauto kinda have shit finesse anyways and its hella inaccurate on vet so you might aswell

[bitter turtle]

So it's nothing to do with difficulty

[junior needle]

I play on auric 5's exclusively now, I barely ever see brautos and its usually on zealots

[fresh grail]

People be sleeping on it, all slaves to the meta

[junior needle]

Or it's just not good

[bitter turtle]

I play v7 and even when I use an automatic it's graia

[magic geyser]

im still unsure on what ranged weapon i like most

i like the slug shotgun, just load in a slug everytime i see some special in the distance to snipe.
i like 2/3 of the headhunter autoguns, the 2shot one and the singleshot one, accuracy is poggies
i like the Columnus and the Agripinaa Infantry Autogun, one feels nice and spammy and the other feels HEFTI
and i like the new heavy laspistol, feels nice and weighty and does good damage and is accurate enough for me

[thick fossil]

brautos are a bit frustrating to use

[bitter turtle]

In general I'd just rather kill enemy rather than have them run around and duck behind cover

[fresh grail]

this is with my support vet build on a shock troop auric.

[shadow aurora]

The weapons in this game were all done really well

[fresh grail]

They're very much spray-and-pray

[junior needle]

Well, not on release

[magic geyser]

do wish the autopistol was better though. currently just feels like an enemy tickler

[bitter turtle]

You can always post a good scoreboard with any setup bc it's more skill than build in this game

[frank ether]

thats rather tame for a maelstorm, not that I'm trying to diss

[thick fossil]

I don't like that mod, it does not show ammo pick ups.

[frank ether]

maybe I'm just

slow

[bitter turtle]

Even if your build is not helpful

[frank ether]

I take my time in mael lol

[shadow aurora]

I run auto pistol on my zealot and i have to dump half my mag to kill gunners

[fresh grail]

For sure, but thats what a lot of people seem to miss though

anything can be used if you're good

[bitter turtle]

Yes but that doesn't make suppression good

[fresh grail]

But people bash talents and weapons instead

[bitter turtle]

It just means you can compensate for it not helping with skill lol

[fresh grail]

It does make it useful for CC

[bitter turtle]

Well that just goes back to what we talked about earlier

I explained why it's not popular

[frank ether]

it doesnt help me on finesse weapons honestly

[bitter turtle]

The cc is disruptive to the players themselves at times

[frank ether]

I'd rather enemies not duck

especially with exec its horrible

because it just expires

[fresh grail]

to each their own. I've seen so many people take damage resist gunner curios this patch and it's not without reason. Keeping gunners (and any enemy) supressed is extremely valuable

[frank ether]

because the gunners all decided to hide

[junior needle]

Ah yes that's right

[bitter turtle]

I'll just say this

[magic geyser]

id rather enemies become ducks, because ducks are cute

[bitter turtle]

Not saying because ur bad

But if I'm playing v7

[junior needle]

Scatter the shooters and lecuckle your exe vet out of resets

[bitter turtle]

I do not want a brauto terrifying barrage suppression build guy on my team lol

[frank ether]

I'd run it on brauto just to mess with others

now that I think about it this is a good idea

more deeps for me

[sharp ember]

i'd run it to suppress reapers in 3 bullets

[bitter turtle]

Since it's an finesse weapon and I need those headshots

[strange sparrow]

Thing is, suppress is good if they stop what they’re doing instead of scattering and taking cover

[bitter turtle]

Nooo

[strange sparrow]

The problem is taking cover

[bitter turtle]

Fuck suppressed reapers

[frank ether]

wait

[strange sparrow]

It mean I can’t hit em

[frank ether]

you can suppress reapers?

[strange sparrow]

[bitter turtle]

Ya

They cover their head

[sharp ember]

don't worry i'll take care of him with my 900 brauto rounds

[frank ether]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

And it doubles my fucking ttk against them

[sharp ember]

you can save your 7a ammo

[frank ether]

I have never seen that

[sharp ember]

for trash

[bitter turtle]

Because no headshots

[frank ether]

people usually just

instantly murk reapers

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[frank ether]

head the size of a door

[bitter turtle]

Until some dude suppresses them and it takes 3 seconds of shooting their damn arm instead of head

[frank ether]

kekw

[bitter turtle]

That's why I say I'd jut literally rather not play with suppression built players

Not saying they're bad

[fresh grail]

With the gunner and reaper spam at higher difficulties i really think you're overestimating your ability to solo-clear an entire room before a special or horde enemy interrupts you

[bitter turtle]

But it literally hurts my own gun lol

[frank ether]

suppression is a weird mechanic

[bitter turtle]

I'm not overestimating anything

[frank ether]

dont think its bad or that it matters that you end up waiting to line up a shot

[strange sparrow]

Just don’t suppress but kill them

[frank ether]

its just the way

[bitter turtle]

This is with v7 lol

[frank ether]

veteran talents work

[strange sparrow]

[bitter turtle]

It's excellent at picking off gunners

[strange sparrow]

wtf is this

[frank ether]

exec/mf both punish you for waiting

[bitter turtle]

Phone picture

Of a picture

[strange sparrow]

There’s like 5000 discord

[bitter turtle]

I didn't notice

Damn

Thanks for telling me

[brisk sapphire]

gotta flex that mil

[bitter turtle]

Tbh that was just a long game

[strange sparrow]

Another deadweight team

300k damage in 1 mil game

✊🤮

[fresh grail]

"You're trolling exec players by stunning enemies" is not an argument i can build any build around. Again to each their own but having a BRauto gun with extra suppression is very noticeable in keeping enemies from doing damage

[bitter turtle]

I liked this game more tbh

117 gunner kill lmao

[bitter turtle]

Well I'm just explaining how I feel as a finesse wep player

[fresh grail]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

It honestly really does get annoying if any enemies get suppressed for me lol

Like genuinely about reapers it takes twice as long to kill a suppressed one if I can't get an angle from the side or behind to hit their head

[strange sparrow]

Just kill them why suppress

Is probably the question

[fresh grail]

because i can't kill a room of 20 gunners before they start firing at me, but with a supression gun they all stop firing and i can take my time and advance to them

BRauto gun is a very much hold left mouse button and walk up build

[bitter turtle]

You know there's ways to become bullet immune with movement tho right

[strange sparrow]

But those gunners aren’t gonna be suppressed if they spread out in the room thou

[bitter turtle]

Perpendicular sprinting, sliding, space dodge

[fresh grail]

for sure, but i want to be rambo instead and its been working out fine.

[strange sparrow]

Isn’t there like a cone of suppression to begin

[tulip condor]

Just starting reading all this. Pretty sure someone said NOT to get terrifyying barrage when it has been amaizing for this very problem

[bitter turtle]

I said that

[sharp ember]

fully suppressed heretics will shit their pants in place and not scatter apart

[bitter turtle]

For the same reasons

They still can duck or cover their heads

[strange sparrow]

I thought there’s state of suppression

[umbral scaffold]

The problem with terrifying barrage is the suppression effect lasts basically nothing

[fresh grail]

i suppose it comes down to do you see supression as good or bad, and i very much like having all my enemies surpressed.
But i can understand the issue when you are trying to be a sniper, which is fair enough.

[bitter turtle]

Its just annoying especially if we talking about gunners which are like the lowest enemy type in terms of danger

[tulip condor]

ok so the issue is more of the matter of the situation. would you rather kill whats immeaditly in front of you or cc a small area

[umbral scaffold]

It's more like a forced quick squat

[strange sparrow]

Hey that’s insulting

[tender inlet]

When ur running an LMB meme build and the plasma vet can't hit anything cause the entire map is supressed

[strange sparrow]

That goes to sniper

[bitter turtle]

At least sniper does dmg if he does hit you

[fresh grail]

Plasma vet should know he can shoot through walls and stop complaining

[bitter turtle]

Gunner u just press slide or space and then he cries

[tender inlet]

OG Gunner suppression is seriously annyoing though lmao

[sharp ember]

plasma issue, he shoots entire logs of plasma

[crude ermine]

I wish I could shoot giant logs of wood

[brisk sapphire]

new ogryn weapon

log

[strange sparrow]

True but it gets annoying in some specific maps

[bitter turtle]

Is that a Talulah now

[crude ermine]

Yes

[strange sparrow]

Compared to the sound que dodge sniper

[sharp ember]

contemplating how the agri brauto has literally double the stagger power of columnus brauto

[bitter turtle]

Alina 😔

[placid swan]

Just use a mark 12 guys its great

[sharp ember]

that thing knocks down anything that isn't a boss

[strange sparrow]

Don’t ask

[crude ermine]

😔

[fresh grail]

is columnus braced any good? i've been sleeping on it, only tried agri and graia which i like a lot

[tender inlet]

is it normal to use the columbus braced auto over agrippa?

[bitter turtle]

It's ok

Agri is more used by far for a reason though

[fresh grail]

space ak 💪

[tender inlet]

Agrippa braced auto staying relevant for 1 year+

[bitter turtle]

Colu benefits a lot more from ads instead of bracing so it's the reverse for iag as well

[sharp ember]

columnus and graia build Onslaught stacks faster but agri is just that swole of a gun

[placid swan]

The 12 has been relevant since day 1.

[junior needle]

It was a much worse shredder for a long period back in yonder day

[bitter turtle]

Graia iag my favorite of the iag/brauto family though

[tender inlet]

I quit around the time the shredder arc came in full swing. I wasn't a fan of that filler arc honestly.

[brisk sapphire]

that was a long arc

[sharp ember]

I like using graia brauto just because it's so mechanically unique with accuracy ramp-up and fuller-auto

it just barely can't stagger ragers though

not without exe stance

while columnus handily staggers ragers/flamers before they straight die from damage

and don't get me started on agri

[finite imp]

with always prepared and a revolver you can just do gun-kata

it's fucking nutty

the gun becomes a part of your combo

[flint arrow]

revolver is the only gun for me

so reliable

so satisfying

[finite imp]

KABLAM

[flint arrow]

not the new one tho that one sucks

[junior needle]

Revolver is allowed to be a top tier gun for multiple classes for numerous patches

6d recon is a top tier gun for only vet for a patch and gets DUMPSTERED

[flint arrow]

it's what she deserves

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/eaca359b53988beb655b22be13b7c723.jpg

[flint arrow]

my beautiful big booty big barrel blammer

[bitter turtle]

Rate my loadout

[finite imp]

infiltrate bleh

[flint arrow]

weeb/10

heretic

[bitter turtle]

Infiltrate needed to teleport behind enemies

[magic geyser]

wish vet got access to the dueling sword that psyker had

[sharp ember]

the kriegtana

[finite imp]

nothing personnel

[umbral scaffold]

I will annihilate you

[pastel geode]

Shogun 2: fall of the samurai/10

[finite imp]

thats the old skill tree i just remembered

[bitter turtle]

I wasn't even assed enough to finish upgrading that revolver for the shitpost

Yes lol

[flint arrow]

i have a 370 revolver that i use

[fresh grail]

You can make the new revolver work if you take deadshot, the fanning the hammer becomes more accurate than the hipfire then.
Definitely not top tier but i do aurics with it from time to time to feel like a cowboy

[magic geyser]

yet to play my first game with Infiltrate, will do tomorrow, i tended to just run the shout to give my allies all the toughness

[flint arrow]

i rolled a fucking 380 but unfortunately hadron said this one goes in the dumpster

fucking heartbreaking

[umbral scaffold]

Infiltrate is goated

[magic geyser]

you're goated

[umbral scaffold]

Full toughness refill, 2 charges, able to stack damage buffs

[zenith sandal]

What is stopping power?

[umbral scaffold]

8s stealth baseline

[flint arrow]

power to stop things

[umbral scaffold]

Move speed buff

[zenith sandal]

I’ve come from melee class I hate guns I hate guns I hate guns

[magic geyser]

power to put down the game and go to bed. i dont have it

[crude ermine]

I keep calling the helbore the "bayonet"

[flint arrow]

revolver has the most stopping power because it stops things by dealing 432593867 crit damage to them

[umbral scaffold]

It's the vet's chastise and I wish they lowered its cooldown

[crude ermine]

I enjoy the learning process of this weapon

[bitter turtle]

Stagger and damage against armor

It's important

Don't neglect it

[sharp ember]

i love bullets i love bullets i need more bullets i need a volleygun

[umbral scaffold]

I want stealth to get 15s less on cooldown

[fresh grail]

the only problem being you running support build and your 3 teammates all have stealth. And then they all go invis at once and you get all the aggro
Fun ability though for sure

[frank ether]

It also burns double the ammo because of how inaccurate it is

so only fair

[zenith sandal]

I’m guessing I do not want 14% on a headhunter mk3

[crude ermine]

I think you like bullets

[magic geyser]

no cooldown on stealth, perma stealth always

[crude ermine]

Definitely not

[bitter turtle]

No u do not lol

[zenith sandal]

Shame, had 80 everything else

[bitter turtle]

Usually stopping power is 2nd in importance after dmg

On guns that have it

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/black-panther-erik-killmonger-waiting-for-this-moment-gif-12729201

[flint arrow]

auric sigma grindset

[fluid steppe]

For plasma gun charge up time stats also increase dmg btw

[sharp ember]

I beg to differ, they feel quite close to accuracy to me, agri may even have an edge due to their slower RoF

[magic geyser]

thats a good thing, cause then you get to flex on them with your L33T gamer skills.....

and get overhead smashed into oblivion

[frank ether]

uh... how tho

[umbral scaffold]

Agri is faster tho

[zenith sandal]

What’s considered good for vet btw? Been really enjoying a headhunter mk3 because I “one shot” any non specialist and “two shot” most specialists

[flint arrow]

revolver

[bitter turtle]

Agri has that extra cleave too no?

[frank ether]

agri braced has like uh.. 30 degree cone?

[crude ermine]

A lot of weapons are

[finite imp]

nothing

all guns suck

[flint arrow]

revolver

[umbral scaffold]

Agri has like no cleave

[bitter turtle]

Hh mk3 is perfectly fine

[finite imp]

all weapons suck

[flint arrow]

revolver

[crude ermine]

I like the helbore, columnus, the iag's

[umbral scaffold]

I think it's 2

[flint arrow]

revolver

[crude ermine]

Shit mb

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-meme-cute-russia-gif-21725557

[umbral scaffold]

Agri is a weapon I can't not recommend enough

[magic geyser]

honestly anything. depends on playstyle that you like

[sharp ember]

i think you have your weapon brands confused

[analog crescent]

yo, am I crazy or this is good to buy from sire melk's store

[zenith sandal]

What melee? I’ve just hit 30 and spent the whole grind with a mk3 power sword

[flint arrow]

yeah this is the answer

[fresh grail]

Broke: all weapons are usable
Woke: all weapons suck

[umbral scaffold]

It's the anti-revolver but sucks at it

[flint arrow]

also revolver

[crude ermine]

It's pretty good

[zealous wyvern]

is it?

[crude ermine]

I'd just swap the perks

[analog crescent]

yah was thinking the same

[magic geyser]

i like the new braced revolver. just magdump into nothing in particular

[analog crescent]

perk swap and good to go

[zenith sandal]

Don’t like using the revolver tbh I’d rather use that w like a zealot. I like using actual guns

[fluid steppe]

Plasma gun is my favorite. But many find it OP lol. I also like vld recon, it’s “kinda” ok even after the nerf.

[flint arrow]

i buy 370+s just in case i wanna try em out in future

[zealous wyvern]

level 3 blessings, perks need a swap

its a placeholder

[umbral scaffold]

Zarona is the old green one, agri is the new one

[sharp ember]

we're talking about braced autoguns over here, not revolver

[zealous wyvern]

if you want a columbus go for it

[tiny summit]

Hb has a pretty good knife

[finite imp]

good smarts

[umbral scaffold]

Aw

[magic geyser]

braced autorevolver

[umbral scaffold]

The ub

Uh

Okay, agri good

[frank ether]

still dont get how brautos are comparable to iags for accuracy tbh

unless you do like really close range shooting

then I can kinda see it

[magic geyser]

s'aight if you crouch and shoot

[zenith sandal]

Do I spin the wheel of hadron?

[fluid steppe]

I only use brace auto gun in twins fight.

[frank ether]

the cone gets larger than your target past like

10-15 meters

[celest vine]

No

[magic geyser]

if you want i like that headhunter rifle the least of the three personally

[fresh grail]

they're not, but who would want that?
They're different guns

[zenith sandal]

Probably the one I’ve enjoyed most so far

[bitter turtle]

Vraks3 is more like an iag

[zenith sandal]

Any reason?

[celest vine]

I generally wont bother on a gun under 360

[sharp ember]

oh aiming far distances with a brauto is just praying to the emperor to guide your bullets

[crude ermine]

The downward spiral

But in all seriousness go for it

[frank ether]

thats my point

[celest vine]

Theres so much more room for better base stats

[frank ether]

who would want a brauto

[crude ermine]

If it's bad but you get a good blessing you can just extract

[frank ether]

besides variety

zealots probably

[magic geyser]

for me, i feel like i am locked into the burst for longer than i'd like. the two shot and the singleshot are perfect for me

[fresh grail]

they're great on veterans

[frank ether]

because they get like -%75 recoil and -%50 spread reduction

[brisk sapphire]

brautos hurt my eyes to use

[frank ether]

you dont get that

[zenith sandal]

Surely basically 80 stopping and dps is pretty much what I want?

[bitter turtle]

Brautos are better at controlled sprqying no?

[celest vine]

Stability and ammo could get way better

[frank ether]

I guess what you can do is run exec to tighten spread

but at that point

[fresh grail]

hold mouse button one into horde gets the dopamine going

[frank ether]

you're running exec

[analog crescent]

what are good blessings for this sword? pretty high rolled from sire melk's

[bitter turtle]

I think the flexibility of iag is better for carrying tho

[fluid steppe]

For which gun

[celest vine]

Its like 9k for another gun

Unless youre gonna use it to farm blessings

[frank ether]

iag is better than uh.. recons

thats it

its a recon that works

[flint arrow]

behold

queen bessie

[zenith sandal]

@fluid steppe

[frank ether]

but I still use it a lot

mainly because spray and pray is funny

[flint arrow]

and her failure of a younger brother that was full of potential but became a FAILURE

[fresh grail]

Why would i need it for a braced autogun? I have ammo regen, i have extra ammo, i don't need to aim

[magic geyser]

i still like the recons ngl. just dump 3 mags into a singular enemy for no particular reason

[frank ether]

because at later difficulties you dont have 5 seconds to magdump a sniper 50 meters away

[fresh grail]

i do

[flint arrow]

this is why you use a revolver

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/uhf-rambo-funny-attack-gif-12359719

[brisk sapphire]

recon was neat for like the first 2 weeks after the class overhaul

[fresh grail]

i just magdump the whole horde thats infront of the sniper at the same time, works wonders

[sharp ember]

room clearing with a brauto

[brisk sapphire]

think the overhype got it the hammer

[frank ether]

nah, just any iag would suffice

5-6 rounds, dead sniper

no time lost

[flint arrow]

alternatively...

one round

[fluid steppe]

Makes me fear for the plasma gun in the next patch

[frank ether]

1 out of 50 or 6 out of 600 ^^

[sharp ember]

would be nice if charging plasma was given a purpose

[celest vine]

One hit crushers

[fresh grail]

It's a tradeoff, like with any gun. BRauto gun has amazing horde clear, supression, stagger and damage in exchange for no accuracy.

[frank ether]

I think you can also one shot small fry with agri iag

up to silly ranges

[zenith sandal]

What does mobility affect? Just movement?

Is it a dump stat

[fresh grail]

You can inspect guns to see

[frank ether]

agri iag has been really growing on me recently

[celest vine]

Yes

Above like 50 you get all the benifits mobility can offer

[fluid steppe]

Charge up shot takes 12ammo. 3 hit crusher with normal takes 9ammo. And kill everything in front and behind it with the extra two shot. So never charge up

[sharp ember]

keep it at least 50%, or you will lose dodge limit, doesn't matter as much for guns but for melee you want max dodge limit

[zenith sandal]

So this is much better then I’m guessing?

[celest vine]

Perfect

[frank ether]

hadron time

[zenith sandal]

[frank ether]

that roll is good

[zenith sandal]

Only cost me 80k

[celest vine]

Basically everything but mobility is what you want on most rifles

[frank ether]

just dont go below 51 for mobility

[zenith sandal]

What am I looking for on it? It’s been playing some weird hellish abomination of a roll for me

[celest vine]

Some guns like the graia the ammo stat makes like no difference

[frank ether]

^

[celest vine]

Flak, maniac, unyielding

[frank ether]

ciag also very little ammo diff

[celest vine]

Crit chance and damage is a second

But you want at least one of those first three

[frank ether]

flak/maniac, surgical/headhunter+deadly accurate for vraks guns

[sharp ember]

what's sad is that i think the ciag has a higher potential ammo pool than the autopistol

[umbral scaffold]

I keep telling people it's great

[sharp ember]

not by much but it can

[celest vine]

I forget that hunk of junk exists

[odd merlin]

CammiB! That is a fantastic MkIII ROLL IT! Take extra ammo from your talents or effeciency for a blessing with that low ammo score.

[umbral scaffold]

I value the accuracy over the volume of fire

[celest vine]

Worse braced autogun

[umbral scaffold]

But I swear by the graia because of how long one mag lasts

[celest vine]

If anything a zero damage stat gun is a funny meme

[sharp ember]

shoots bean bag rounds

[frank ether]

its really neat for small bursts or tap firing

[celest vine]

Saw a sword with 0%

[frank ether]

you get really good value out of just a few well placed shots

[frank ether]

while still retaining the ability to magdump

[fluid steppe]

Has anyone use auto pistol recently?it was a very good weapon, but I can’t make it work now in auric missions. Feel they need the dmg abit too much lol

[odd merlin]

Recommend the columnus mkV autogun. Take Dum Dum on it and have a ball!

[umbral scaffold]

I think it can one-shot shooters on the head too at quite the distances

Or maybe it's my build, I forgot what I use

[frank ether]

It often does for me

but uh

I'm on a deadshot build

[zenith sandal]

Think I got a decent roll

[frank ether]

probably getting a good amount of crits

[umbral scaffold]

Lameshot

[celest vine]

Stability matters less if you use deadshot

[zenith sandal]

Waiting for it to upload

[celest vine]

I do

[magic geyser]

something i still wonder is why 80% is the cap on weapons, like theres an empty bit on the bar to bring it to 100%. why 80%

[nova lagoon]

[frank ether]

yeee but gotta get crit somehow

[fluid steppe]

A mod can fix that for you XD

[umbral scaffold]

They give us their poison so they can sell their cures

[sharp ember]

red weapons when they decide to make that a thing

[zenith sandal]

Blessed be the omnissiah? Swap reload and falter?

[magic geyser]

i mean, yeah. a mod can fix everything including my severe lack of socks without holes in them. but should this be a problem in the first place that needs a mod?

[frank ether]

wouldnt red weapons make the game super easy

would we just get T6 difficulty at that point

to go along with it

[umbral scaffold]

I liked running deadshot + that melee stamina node on the right of weapon specialist

[celest vine]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

It could get finnicky, but was very reliable

[frank ether]

thats the good stuff

[celest vine]

youre golden

[frank ether]

focus mark also has a decent stamina node

[magic geyser]

red

[frank ether]

anything but marksman focus really

[umbral scaffold]

It basically fixed deadshot so long as you got a kill

[zenith sandal]

Only cost me like 80k I must’ve spent like 300k on my zealot hammer

[umbral scaffold]

Y know, a kill with the gun known for nuking anything

[odd merlin]

Great Roll CammiB! I recommend +25% infested perk to clear those poxwalkers with minimum ammo usage.

[umbral scaffold]

Real

[sharp ember]

most probably, i want new enemies to threaten us

plaguebearers

[frank ether]

so you swap reload to maniac and falter to surgical or headhunter based on your pref

[zenith sandal]

Unnecessary surely? It’ll clear everything easy enough it’s a headhunter?

[zenith sandal]

Ok

[sharp ember]

an extra 20% on a stat bar wouldn't even affect a few weapons if they already meet important breakpoints tbh

they'd burn bosses faster i guess

[zenith sandal]

I’m assuming ghost is like hot garbage btw? Can’t seem to think of where I’d ever want it

[magic geyser]

new mutation! every enemy in the map turns into Nurgle the Plaguefather himself

[umbral scaffold]

Ghost is goated

[frank ether]

my tinfoil dunce hat theory is that twins hm was a vibe check to see if we're up for T6

[umbral scaffold]

Just having damage blessings fucks that up

[strange sparrow]

Ghost blessing should be stronger

[zenith sandal]

Characters won’t shut up about demons only being in the warp right

[strange sparrow]

Can’t change my mind

[odd merlin]

Infested will also help take out those pesty hounds faster. Maniacs and specialists isn't needed with those blessings. Just shoot them in the head.

[sharp ember]

yeah, it's a choice between cranking your damage output to the max or getting extra survivability

[zenith sandal]

So a proper demon would be my next guess

We need nurglings

[strange sparrow]

We have beast of nurgle

Daemonhost

Chaos spawn

[umbral scaffold]

Laspistols, for example, dumdum ghost loses you basically nothing

Now headhunters

[strange sparrow]

Anything else become a pay grade above us

[umbral scaffold]

Deadly accurate and that crit headshot one are stupid strong

[magic geyser]

tbh all of those are already above the paygrade of the average penal squad

[sharp ember]

they've removed voicelines to prevent context confusion before, they very well could start chucking lesser demons at us

[zealous wyvern]

we aren not an average penal squad

[strange sparrow]

WE ARE AURIC OPERATIVE FOR THE INQUISITOR WARBAND

[zenith sandal]

I would argue tbf host and spawn aren’t Demons

[sharp ember]

like when they added auric missions and removed voicelines about "THIS AMMO IS FOR AURICS ONLY"

[magic geyser]

speak for yourself, i am jus lil bebi running sedition and uprising

[umbral scaffold]

Turning a gun with stupid finesse into a crit machine versus being able to maybe dance in the middle of gunners

[frank ether]

my advice for vraks throw some rending in your build

[strange sparrow]

How bout stop being a penal battalion smh

[frank ether]

maybe look into deadshot aswell

the crit chance is nice for vraks

since deadly accurate is most of your dmg

[odd merlin]

I would like to see some Ogryn specialists. More Ogryns classes to face.

[magic geyser]

penal is my vibe clotheswise.

[zealous wyvern]

then youre still not average

[strange sparrow]

I just wish they gave us more cosmetics for being auric operative

[celest vine]

nurglings are fine

[strange sparrow]

We all look like hobo they pick up from the street

[zenith sandal]

So just to confirm I’m always changing reload to maniac or unyielding?

[zealous wyvern]

no

[celest vine]

yes

[zenith sandal]

Then my falter is a choice between a few

[odd merlin]

Ogryns with nurgling lunchers!\

[zealous wyvern]

we dont look like hobos at all once we are high level (or buy sets)

[strange sparrow]

Zealot look like a hobo

Veteran still look like a militia/Hobo

[magic geyser]

my ogryn is invisible has the latest stealth tekk

[zealous wyvern]

vet does NOT look like a hobo

[zenith sandal]

My zealot is dripped tf out

[zealous wyvern]

your city sounds scary

[celest vine]

thats cause he's a civilian

[strange sparrow]

VETERAN IS HOBO

[zealous wyvern]

if hobos look like that in your city

then

[zealous wyvern]

you better stay inside at night

[magic geyser]

invisible ogryn

[celest vine]

I mean if you get the final veteran redacted set he doesnt

[zealous wyvern]

"hobo"

damn

maybe i should go homeless

[strange sparrow]

Man look like my local reserve army thinking he’s the army military man

[zealous wyvern]

get some sweet gear

[strange sparrow]

That’s the kill shot outfit thou

Try the other set

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[strange sparrow]

[zealous wyvern]

earn it

the other set is bad yes

[magic geyser]

remember, being a corpsman at lower diffs is better than becoming a corpseman at higher difficulties

[zealous wyvern]

but we DO have a better option

[zenith sandal]

I really like my vet and zealot. Dont like using sets so I need to mix stuff

[strange sparrow]

You mean 🧀

So yeah, Veteran is literally a hobo

So is zealot

[zealous wyvern]

no

[zenith sandal]

Idk why they have such low quality weird

[strange sparrow]

Only Psyker level 30 is normal

[zealous wyvern]

you are

off

your

idk

[odd merlin]

Bandana with the bkue set looks great too.

[zealous wyvern]

you are crazy

[sharp ember]

that vet setup

[odd merlin]

*Blue

[celest vine]

bro has more plastic than cubes

[zenith sandal]

I was really happy when I found something nice to use w that mask again. Thought it was kinda cringe when I got it but grew to enjoy it

[magic geyser]

zealot moreso than vet imo. as the more shouty zealot has that streetcorner hobo with sign vibe of yelling about the sky falling and stuff

[strange sparrow]

I’m expecting Zealot to be naked by 30

[zenith sandal]

Think I have literally only ever grinded for 2 weapons. One was the gun I just got and one was my zealot hammers which I got v lucky w rolls.

[magic geyser]

my zealot kinda looks like a servitor that has been killed'ed

[fresh grail]

with the current RNG system you can't really grind for a weapon. Just hope melk blesses you with the tier 4 blessings

[zenith sandal]

A zealot skin that looks like a penitent would be pretty cool

[magic geyser]

got that tattoo on face to make it seem like early stage decomposition

[zenith sandal]

My other zealot style because I needed an armoured look for my hammer tank class

[sharp ember]

waiting for the day

[junior needle]

Ghost is actually pretty good as it functions well with deadshot/dnd, although it can be overshadowed depending on the gun in question

[zenith sandal]

No helmet is interesting

[magic geyser]

am waiting for the day where Ogryn gets a hawaiian shirt

[jaunty tinsel]

combining this with the scionn helmet for ultimate stormtrooper

[zenith sandal]

Yeah I need the leopard print trousers back in rotation for ogr so I can make a pimp

[odd merlin]

This is one of my new fav looks.

[zenith sandal]

I had a bandana before getting the scion helmet I was enjoying it

My struggle w vet customisation has been they’ve got a lot of variation in base colours

[zealous wyvern]

why are you not wearing your helmet

[odd merlin]

Ya the Scion killshot look is stellar!

[zenith sandal]

Zealot was fairly easy most of the store stuff is metal with red fabrics

[zealous wyvern]

oh i can show my personally designed fashion get up

since we are all sharing

you will love it

[zenith sandal]

Psyker was even easier because their redacted armour is (imo) nicer than anything I’ve seen in the store

[zealous wyvern]

im on the right

[zenith sandal]

He looks so hench I love it

[zealous wyvern]

that is a fantastic psyker

i am surprised by the size

[zenith sandal]

Seen his redacted armour and knew I would be very very hard pressed to find better armour

That tied with the mask which was sided with the Krieg stuff? Chefs kiss baby

I cringe anytime I see another psyker now because I’ve reached god status of drip. Especially flashy golden ones (yuck)

[inland orchid]

I snagged the navigator drip with glowey eyes on mine

[zenith sandal]

It is quite interesting that like a very good amount of psyker stuff has been really “fashionable” gold, patterns etc etc compared to everyone else

[zealous wyvern]

dont be rude

[zenith sandal]

Vet def gets blessed and shafted by the sheer variety

[zealous wyvern]

golden psykers are cool

yours looks very broad and mundane

not everyone, especially not psyker players i assume, wants that

[zenith sandal]

Idk they’re just too flashy and never seem to work as an outfit. The outfits tend to have little on them other than gold swirls on red fabric. I need doodads, like mine has a skull, a book, the crotch plate a belt, chest piece, pipes and a shoulders etc. it’s got way more definition and texture to it

It’s just personal taste tbf

[zealous wyvern]

its true that the golden sets are mostly without detail

i wonder if that is on purpose

[zenith sandal]

The hoods are ok tbf but like they’re so much more than the body is all

[odd merlin]

I recently noticed the same fabric designs for psyker is found on all the pox walkers clothes

[zealous wyvern]

you mean the groaners yeah

[zenith sandal]

Like the hoods are huge with lights and flashy and I think I could make something amazing a them then I find all the other flashy body mundane and it would never work on my like very practical look

[zealous wyvern]

some of them have fancy stuff

[zenith sandal]

Yeah the upper city tile set ones

[odd merlin]

Groaners... right thank you

[zealous wyvern]

poxers are the monstrous horned ones

[inland orchid]

Ya sadly most the converted pox walkers lost their clothes

Just very green skin now

[zealous wyvern]

maybe its the rot

rotting it away

or they just get so slimy, they slide off

or maybe its because theyve been neglected for long enough to become a poxer

so their clothes ripped off or something in the weeks of pox life

[odd merlin]

SHHHH !!! Don't tell Slannesh abou the nakie poxies.

[zenith sandal]

It’s probably rotted off. Caustic fumes yada yada. I imagine running around and throwing yourself about like they do wouldn’t help

Absolutely yeeting themselves over cover

[odd merlin]

Have you ever directed a pox hound into a hoard of pox walkers. Hilarious!

I keep trying to launch pox hounds at the yeeters. Still haven't landed one yet.

[zenith sandal]

Does shout affect grenades btw? Like a bomber throwing a nade at me and I shout it away? Didn’t think it was a thing but a nade seemed to fly away today mid air when it was coming right at me

[odd merlin]

No but you can make them drop it if they haven't thrown it yet.

I'll have to test that out tonight. Never really noticed tbh.

[crude ermine]

Man its like 3am and now my brain is fighting itself

[sharp ember]

i wish we could customize the doodads hanging off our armor like halo reach

swap out the loose bullets for a combat knife or something

[umbral scaffold]

Brain got hands

[flint lake]

I'm waiting till FS drops the full scion set but your drip is tempting me with sin

[fallen night]

MUH CADIA

[flint arrow]

man i want that jacket

[tulip condor]

Ok. I love this build as a vet and not sure what can top it as my favorite now

[crude ermine]

Well now I wanna play halo reach

Fuck you respectfully

[umbral scaffold]

Achyls still is ass

[odd merlin]

like the slugde camo with the look.

[tulip condor]

Heard it can 1shot crushers but thats the only good thing i ever heard from it

[umbral scaffold]

Until the moveset is different it won't do much

[subtle schooner]

How does one look this drippy

[subtle schooner]

What fit is this😭

[zenith sandal]

I’ve got the prosthetic leg because I’m cool like that

[crude ermine]

The discount Scion set

[umbral scaffold]

HOW MUCH DRIP CAN A SINGLE PILGRIM REQUIRE

[subtle schooner]

Is that set in shop rn or something..

[sharp ember]

the helmet is a new single item

[zenith sandal]

I just need a new body piece and I’m set. Don’t like the recent get stuff they look way too bulky for my liking

[odd merlin]

Yes the commisary has the killshot gear and backpack. the helmet and wep skin are sold.

[zenith sandal]

Stuck using a non Aquila’s one rn

The weapon skin is quite nice. Same w the evis

[nova lagoon]

grind and get disposable income

barely disposable i might add

[zenith sandal]

I’m always a bit scared of weapon skins that have colour tho like the green evis would look goofy on my silver themed zealot

But it’s so nice

[subtle schooner]

Color palettes when..

Also more grindable drip when😭

[sharp ember]

at this point i'd even spend melkbucks on drip

[zenith sandal]

Tbf some classes redacted gear is great, again my psyker is probably one of my favourite looking characters and it’s pretty achievable look even without Aquila’s

[zenith sandal]

Would give a use for the damn things

[sharp ember]

but really i'm just waiting for more generic cadian gear

i need that green and tan

[zenith sandal]

I’m surprised they haven’t done more of the jungle planet themed ones

Like they had a head that was perfect for it then didn’t have much more

Catachan? Think that’s what they are

[fresh grail]

the rambo planet

[serene sage]

Space Marine 2 seems to have that exact environment

[crude ermine]

The colour green (derogatory)

[serene sage]

that was a very short sleep

[crude ermine]

I couldn't sleep

[terse idol]

The Tyranids when there's a single piece of broccoli on a planet

[crude ermine]

The neighbors were arguing again

[zenith sandal]

Space marine 2 will have everything because it’s (totally cool and original) stern blue man saves the galaxy

[crude ermine]

Robert sillyman

[odd merlin]

The new looks are great, but I still love the classics!

[crude ermine]

Wait I don't think his name is Robert

Gillyman

Guiliman

[crude ermine]

Ghouliman

[zenith sandal]

Robutnick girlyman

[crude ermine]

Now that just sounds like the fat egg who fights a hedgehog

[zenith sandal]

Notah erretic?

[odd merlin]

DO you guys mind if I share one more look?

[crude ermine]

Go ahead

We won't murder you in an alley at 4pm onna Tuesday

[zenith sandal]

Ye love seeing peoples looks

[zenith sandal]

It’s unique so I like it

[odd merlin]

The sludge camo look goes great with this set too.

[zenith sandal]

Although I’m also a snob so I hate using armour sets

But you’re not left w much choice otherwise so it works defiantly

[strange sparrow]

Ultra marine is overused/poster boy simply because it make sense

[odd merlin]

Ya lots of great looking no armour set ups out there for vet. So many choices.

[strange sparrow]

Look at fucking ultramar

[zenith sandal]

Gotta get that “I spent 4K aquilas and had to wait 10 weeks just for somewhat matching gear to make my set” look

Ultramarines should lean way more into their sorta roman aesthetic imo but I just don’t like how generic they are

[crude ermine]

I'm still mad that one armour that works with this helm I have got shifted out

Just AFTER It arrived

[zenith sandal]

They’re modern blood ravens in terms of being generic poster boys for the games

[finite imp]

this gunkata build is hilarious

[zenith sandal]

Wish we could get something like that on console. Even just a breakdown of like kills damage boss damage etc etc

[crude ermine]

Like vermintide's standard board

Have it shift to it at the very end after the reward you get from the mission

[finite imp]

had to nerf toxicity

[odd merlin]

True

That's why I play vanilla only.

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-this-funny-gif-14446155

wtf is those graphics

[tiny summit]

PvE horde game is such a weird thing to get toxic over

[crude ermine]

Didn't load in

Took picture too fast

[zenith sandal]

Calling people out as reason for losing tbf

[finite imp]

only really see in in heresy games

[zenith sandal]

But it doesn’t like matter too too much because I’m still going to sit there and get pissy because you usually know who’s dragging the team down

[crude ermine]

Every other version is normal

[tiny summit]

Yea I hear. Only have had 1-2 toxic people in damn

[zenith sandal]

Want an enginseer class so bad would be so cool

[odd merlin]

Co op gaming is a learning experience. I like Vermintide II leaderboards and Darktide Team boards.

[tiny summit]

Was funny 1 game where this guy asked me and the others if we were new...he was the lowest level of the party with true level mod. By a wide margin

[torn moat]

Had some twitch streamer dox me because they thought I was deadweight in the game.

[tiny summit]

What?

I mean...whut?

[torn moat]

He claimed this because the scoreboard mod showed my damage as being lowest... even though my scoreboard was showing different numbers than his.

[crude ermine]

Oh god

[radiant chasm]

doxxed?

[lofty lintel]

Lmao

[radiant chasm]

report that person to fatshark with receipts

[crude ermine]

All because of a fucking SCOREBOARD

[radiant chasm]

they will take that account down

[torn moat]

Posted my steam account info in his twitch chat and told them to 'shame me'.

[tiny summit]

At least please tell he's a nobody streamer dipshit

[torn moat]

He had like 40 viewers at the time... so whatever.

[tender inlet]

Someone yells loudly on the mic about the team being shit*
Hits tab to check scoreboard*
They are in last place.
Yep, no scoreboard reduces toxicity

[tiny summit]

As shitty as that is I wouldn't say dox man

[odd merlin]

My best experience has been with players who respond well to a good correction.

[crude ermine]

Probably the kinda guy to be banned later then start his streaming on kick

[radiant chasm]

oh i thought it was like, irl doxxing

it's scummy witch hunting

[radiant chasm]

i dont expect twitch to follow up, but typically fatshark will if given evidence through #🎒support-issues

and they can lose/get locked out of their fatshark account

[crude ermine]

I meant in terms of twitch banning for him being a pos

[tender inlet]

Griefing with mods is absolutely a bannable offense

[torn moat]

Oh? I reported on twitch. I doubt anything gets done. But if you think it's worth reporting to Fatshark I can... It happened on NYE.

[crude ermine]

Like that kinda streamer

Oh wait

I misread

[radiant chasm]

just get clips/vod of the stream and use it as proof

[crude ermine]

Or didn't read enough

[radiant chasm]

twitch rarely will follow through stuff like that just via sheer volume

[torn moat]

I have them. I reported to twitch with it.

[radiant chasm]

i'ms aying to take the proof to #🎒support-issues

player reports

[torn moat]

If players want to talk trash. Whatever, I have a thick skin online. But posting people's social media info and telling people to shame them is an escalation that I don't care for.

[odd merlin]

The key being... good correction. Scoreboard padders make me laugh

[radiant chasm]

scoreboard is fine and if there was an official one that at most just had your individual stats and not your teammates, it would be fine

[torn moat]

I just think it's dumb using damage as the basis for being good/bad... Since lots of builds in this game are about utility/support.

[crude ermine]

My damage was higher I'm better

Smh

[radiant chasm]

cause there is legitimate use cases for scoreboard for self improvement and relevance to other builds

[odd merlin]

Ya ok out of coherency zealot!

[radiant chasm]

this game is damage focused first

like, yea, damage isn't everything

but in general, doing more damage is better

[odd merlin]

Your welcome cor the covering fire lol!

[crude ermine]

My lacerate fleshtezrer knife makes you weep from my immense skill you fils de pute!!!

[radiant chasm]

that's not toxic that is just how the game is designed

[strange sparrow]

I’m gonna be honest though, if you ain’t doing damage as veteran

What are you doing, Smite Psyker?

Your stagger damage would be off the roof

[radiant chasm]

even smite psykers and shieldgryns should be getting damage built up past 200k in aurics, if not more, especially cause shieldgryn hits like a truck

[odd merlin]

Suppression is underrated in my opinion.

[strange sparrow]

Suppression suck in a lot of case because you aren’t killing them

[radiant chasm]

it would be underrated if a lot of weapons didn't have a low TTK baseline

[strange sparrow]

Might as well took the effort to kill

Instead of wasting ammo to suppress

[radiant chasm]

and that suppressing enemies is really realistic in which they actually try to avoid fire

[odd merlin]

Tosss a grenade keep their heads down and watch em sore heh heh

[radiant chasm]

frag will have them bleeding out tho

[forest scaffold]

The only thing I don't like about scoreboard(as a user of it myself) is trying to pinpoint how matches were played.

[tender inlet]

Smitker and ShieldGryn built right have insane map clear, I really can't think of a build that should be doing low DPS.

[forest scaffold]

I've had matches with 4x the total elite/special damage, but only 1/2 the kills

And ultimately, its not really the damage that matters, but removing enemies off the board as a dead enemy can't deal damage.

[strange sparrow]

I mean it does translate to certain extend

As overdamage is calculated in another way

[forest scaffold]

So its hard to say off just a scoreboard if I was being picked off by a recon lasgun, or just being slightly faster than a revolver user.

So I was able to damage dump, but not secure the kill.

Its the hardest part of scoreboard to sus out.

[radiant chasm]

it does require a certain ability to comprehend and read stats

something imo, humans aren't always skilled at

[forest scaffold]

Aye.

[tender inlet]

Playing what? I've never seen something like that.

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn Ripper

terrible at securing kills

great at pumping damage through the roof

[strange sparrow]

Like I just feel it’s near impossible to say you done 200k damage on an average 600k game

And call it I kill Elite/specialist only

[radiant chasm]

i've seen people do 150-180k

[strange sparrow]

Yea deadweight then

[radiant chasm]

yea, most of the time

[strange sparrow]

If they aren’t doing enough damage overall, they’re just deadweight in Auric Mael

[radiant chasm]

either their build is really scuffed for auric, or they just have poor game sense/lean way too hard at supporting

not realizing killing and damaging things is supporting your team

[strange sparrow]

It’s fine thou if they salvage plasteel

[odd merlin]

Well gtg been fun chattin

[white minnow]

the pain of seeing people just lightspam on weapons that aren't meant to be lightspammed

then again I was dead and spectating so who am I to say

[crude ermine]

Cough cough crusher

[radiant chasm]

emperor, i got randomly recommended a youtube video and it was this dude with a chsword and he would always panic

[white minnow]

at least we can just copy and paste a link to a guide for the crusher nowadays

[radiant chasm]

and somehow always combo into the overheads vs horde

and complain about how are the game was

[crude ermine]

Uhh..

Lemme think of one

[radiant chasm]

like, he would do every wrong input to avoid using a sweep

it gave me the ick

[crude ermine]

That's funny

Painfully

[white minnow]

takes real skill to do that

[finite imp]

I've literally had this happen and the guy got so pissed he turned into a blubbering mess and then went silent the rest of the game

[white minnow]

the last game I was spectating was somebody lightspamming the evis even on single targets

[finite imp]

A chaos spawns flung him off the level at the very end

[crude ermine]

Karma

[old quail]

chad

[crude ermine]

The fleshbag heard he was screaming and wanted to shut em up

[radiant chasm]

me too, I simply asked a question to my fellow zealot after I see him barely damage a monster with his thunderhammer, "hey does your hammer have thrust on it?"

[white minnow]

ohhh right the thunder hammer

[finite imp]

So Ive developed a new (probably not) method of fighting

[crude ermine]

The thammer even

[white minnow]

I saw a zealot who kept on hitting the body of a reaper with special heavies

[radiant chasm]

dude went ballistic, said not to question his build and that I was literally doing no kills or damage and then i pull out the scoreboard

and start reading off the stats in voice chat

dude called me a slur and rage quit cause he was the least damage and kills on our team and I was at the top

[finite imp]

Knife and revolver
Always prepared
Shoot horde before close in switch weapon to trigger WS
Get melee kill
Tap q tap m1 tap q again for gunkata style revolver blast to scrape the face off of whatever you're fighting in less than a second
Rinse and repeat until nothing moves

And because of always prepared you can do this ad nauseum

[radiant chasm]

i saw a vet spam an mk3 knife heavies into horde cause he had haymaker, I literally stopped swinging just to watch him get overwhelmed and pummeled by horde

[finite imp]

Haymaker sucks balls

Executioner and uncanny

[radiant chasm]

it's great on ogryn clubs, it's a warcrime bait for knife, even the new knife

uncanny+ precog or executioner yee

[finite imp]

Knife brings love

Knife brings life

Knife is passion
Knife is flavor

[crude ermine]

Could never find a good knife

Then again I never checked

[finite imp]

Knife is serenity

[radiant chasm]

knife is really easy to be shit/misbuilt

[finite imp]

If you fall asleep in the car on the way home knife carries you inside

[radiant chasm]

not only does it have 4/5 stats contributing to damage, a ton of blessings are just straight up bait

[finite imp]

Yeah I'm NGL knife life is fucking hard but if you can master being an absolute twitchy spaz fueled by cocaine you can do it

[radiant chasm]

not to mention crit/weakspot perks being bait as well

[analog crescent]

what are good blessings for the devil claw sword, I don't really understand the blessings for it

[radiant chasm]

also knife is just, a high skill ceiling for not that much reward

[sharp tinsel]

Alternatively

shovel.

[finite imp]

Rampage and uhhh

[radiant chasm]

rampage savage sweep

[finite imp]

Savage sweep that's the one

[radiant chasm]

i mean yea, uncanny strike is king

[sharp tinsel]

shoveeeeelll

[radiant chasm]

and shovel is just chad

[finite imp]

The crusher doinker

[radiant chasm]

swap that all or nothing for uncanny strike and you'll be bangin

[finite imp]

I nicknamed my revolver starseeker

And my knife Serenity

[crude ermine]

I always thought thrust would work..till I saw uncanny

[sharp tinsel]

this man fears no heretics.

[finite imp]

If I see this exact outfit posted one more time

[crude ermine]

I like having thrust and limbsplitter for the one time ogryn can opener

[radiant chasm]

uncanny lowkey just bullshit blessing cause it is best on every weapon it can roll on

[analog crescent]

i was about to buy this outfit, until I noticed that i'd look so similar to the enemy gunners

[finite imp]

Good thing fatshark never updates the game or we might have gotten nerfed

[sharp tinsel]

blame Jin-roh wolf brigade

[crude ermine]

Like the revolver

~~the nerf in question was nothing ~~

[finite imp]

Revolver needs to be triple the damage it is

Quadruple

Septuple

[crude ermine]

Perfect

Make it so it just pierces bulwark shields too

Remove it's ONLY bad matchup

[finite imp]

I want my bullets to not only kill everything it even comes near but to completely cleave through the maps geometry and leave a Dragonball z style crater I'm it's wake

Fireing it also damages you too

The gun just kind of explodes. You don't reload you just pull out a new gun

[crude ermine]

Fuck it

Make the bullets like assail

Tracking wise

[regal belfry]

you don't want that

[lusty jetty]

Power Sword + Vraks VII in Auric Damnation HISTG

Shredder Grenade + Demo Team was MVP though

[nova lagoon]

when

[finite imp]

Sometimes it feels like my bullets curve through heads

[finite imp]

Ask again in 3 months

[gaunt hinge]

next week™️

[finite imp]

The answer will still be idk

[finite imp]

Cool art

I saw what I thought was a Roman statue avy but I wanted to investigate a little before I jumped to conclusions and I'm glad I did

[ebon umbra]

scion out so hellgun?

[gaunt hinge]

[radiant chasm]

it's desync

[finite imp]

That would require them to actually make something new instead of just reskinning things with textures already in the game

[radiant chasm]

basically the game has predictive technology except it sometimes bugs out with even the least imperfect internet connection

[gaunt hinge]

dw they can just steal the gunner's volleyguns

[finite imp]

But I promise you as soon as hellgun gets released everyine and their MOTHER is going to be using it

[radiant chasm]

and there is so many variables for enemy movement that the game predicts the enemy going to this spot on your screen, but the server says the enemy is somewhere else

this can be as minor as a few inches to as major as being on opposite sides of the room, i've seen both

[lusty jetty]

Sigh, thanks mommy hadron

Oops that's the one I'm currently using, this is the one Hadron just crapped on

god tier stat roll and she just... ugh, no real way to make it as good as it can be

I've not used Rampage but BM provides for grotesque horde clear

[zealous wyvern]

this seems way better than yours

this seems way better than yours

[tulip condor]

what you talking about? swap specialist perk to flak or w/e and you still have a solid PS

[placid portal]

if only vets can have a MG 42

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

just change specialist

[lusty jetty]

Then no Brutal Momentum

[zealous wyvern]

so

[tulip condor]

Ya....