veteran-class

[finite imp]

Brother what are you doing

[strange sparrow]

Why yall mad

[pastel geode]

Seeing an ogryn fly off the map by a barrel is comical

[finite imp]

Stop

This conversation has reached its conclusion

[cerulean void]

me waiting for hellguns:

[abstract moth]

I asked advice and get said skill issue and is your fault, while just saying you can do only those things nothing more would've suffice and now I'm the troll ok

[sterile wadi]

Mf in Philly 💀

[dusk junco]

How do I make my knife better? It's kinda buns

[finite imp]

I think it's just you're not hearing the advice and only seeing skill issue

[cerulean void]

unyielding -> maniac
flesh tearer -> uncanny for anti armor
or to mercy killer and take serrated blade for regular mooks

[elder dawn]

ogryn needs a deployable turret

and vet needs a rocket launcher

[noble onyx]

Veteran on his back

[sterile wadi]

Ogryn needs a deployable rock thrower

[cerulean void]

ruthless backstab works too

[abstract moth]

The match was doable the situation I was in was impossibly to do as you said because it wouldn't work and not because i haven't tried

[elder dawn]

fuck it rock turret

[cerulean void]

all combat knives get a +25% bonus to backstabs so utilize that extra movespeed and dodges

[finite imp]

Okay you win. It was impossible and there was nothing you could have done.

The end

[abstract moth]

But is stuff I already know, I wanted to see if there was a different way

[pastel geode]

Give ogryn medicae backpack

[noble onyx]

True, true

[hushed birch]

Do yall get left behind by your squads when you play vet? I'll be killing some specials just to turnaround and not see anyone.

[pastel geode]

Zealots like to speedrun

[terse idol]

I mean if you throw out "skill issue" as part of your advice you're not gonna help someone

[noble onyx]

Can happen with pretty much any class.
People sometimes just tunnel vision at what's ahead of them.

[terse idol]

That really all I can say

[elder dawn]

had a game with two speedy zealots who ran forward and aggro’d a crusher patrol and spawned a boss while a horde is behind

[terse idol]

Well like it is an issue that you need to make sure to catch up with your team

[pastel geode]

Classic zealots

[strange sparrow]

I throw Skill Issue into every argument because there is nothing in word that could make you better perform as a player in darktide

[finite imp]

Skill is legitimately part of the issue

[terse idol]

At least in your situation, yeeahh sometimes people don't look at specials and keep moving forward

[noble onyx]

To be fair, we gave him all the advice we could before throwing skill issue at him because he wouldn't listen, saying that all of the answers are obvious yet it was impossible to win.

[strange sparrow]

You would get better over time

It's not rocket science

[abstract moth]

Not what I wanted but alright I guess

[terse idol]

Do you guys understand the meaning of like social subtly

[torpid sundial]

I have an amazing time with helbore 3 when at least one other person helps with wave clear

[noble onyx]

Well what did you want?

[finite imp]

What did you want??? You've been given every possible answer

[hushed birch]

It's just keeps happening on vet specifically and it really gets me down bc I like all classes

[strange sparrow]

So true

[torpid sundial]

Got used to the swap times, got used to the aim and breakpoints

Using a shovel but kinda lower damage than I expected besides the flip attack

Are there better waveclear options 🤔

[abstract moth]

Not obvious answers that's for sure

[terse idol]

Yeah no I get it

[finite imp]

Do you run plasma and powersword

[terse idol]

Well because there's no obvious answer in a game with a million options that's the thing

[torpid sundial]

shovel is comfy though since I barely ever take damage

light attack spam just staggers the entire horde

[abstract moth]

Idk I thought there might've be a insightful strategy I didn't think of

[pastel geode]

Kill everything with a bolter before they can put you in that situation

[finite imp]

There's no secret hidden jutsu

Sorry

[terse idol]

There's suggestions as to how to tackle a situation

[strange sparrow]

You could have done it better to memorise every spawn point

on the map

bam simple

[cerulean void]

well, is there anything that's keeping you away from your team on your side? ADSing too long? lingering back to kill something when it'll take just as long for it to reach you if you moved up?

[strange sparrow]

It's not super hard to identify spawn point too

[terse idol]

Now look that's just not reasonable

[abstract moth]

I have a build like that but I wasn't veteran at that match

[cerulean void]

I tend to stay towards the back too but if you're regularly being left behind by a huge amount, you might need to change tactics

[noble onyx]

..The strategy is to not let yourself be surrounded to begin with. If you're already surrounded, can't pull out your gun, don't have VoC, don't have stealth, don't have frags, don't have smoke, your only hope is to shove your enemies away and dodge to get clear of the net.

There is no "I win" button.

[cerulean void]

or get a knife

[strange sparrow]

Wdym it's not reasonable, you could literally identify spawnpoint

It's not like it's absurdly difficult to spot one out

[pastel geode]

Then what class were you?

[strange sparrow]

AI director only spawn Specialist closest to low coherency player

then specialist determine who is the closest when they spawn to attack

[abstract moth]

Yeah I thought so, couldn't hurt to try so I tried

[elder dawn]

git gud no jutsu

[hushed birch]

@cerulean void there's definitely times it's my fault but most of the time I'm killing specs that is right behind the group

[strange sparrow]

And I will be honest, there is simply no word that could help any person

Only time + consistency could make one play better

[finite imp]

Knife

Actually

[noble onyx]

We literally can't give you answers that don't exist unless our goal was to lie to you.

We were trying to help you.

[pastel geode]

42

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

Knife Player in the chat rn

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1171107502713208924.gif?size=48&name=chipbruh&quality=lossless

[strange sparrow]

The only thing good is run away

[finite imp]

Which you can do better with a knife

[abstract moth]

Again the problem was the trapper not getting surrounded

[finite imp]

Woohoo here we go again

[civic knot]

Brick?

[finite imp]

Round and round we go

[noble onyx]

Yeah fuck it you're right Sunrise

I should just let it go

[tall torrent]

Borderline bricked

[cerulean void]

if those specialists are keeping you from moving up, your team probably should've helped and that just happens

people are very focused on getting missions done as fast as possible in PUBs to the point they'll waltz right past medicae, nades, medipacks and ammo crates

[finite imp]

Knife brings zen knife brings love

Knife sparks joy

[abstract moth]

Pysker with shield and head pop

[noble onyx]

Then why were you asking in the Veteran channel

[wraith lion]

What perks go on flamers

[strange sparrow]

Here's your problem

You didn't DPS enough

[finite imp]

The game was rigged from the start

Wtf

[strange sparrow]

In event you DPS enough, the trapper shouldn't be an issue

[strange sparrow]

the fact that you instant get people up

You wasn't able to setup a perimeter to defense

meaning you lack dps

meaning trapper = wipe

[pastel geode]

So you were using the class with the best crowd control in the game (imo) and got surrounded hard enough you couldn’t escape a trapper?

[hushed birch]

@cerulean void yea usually in the case of getting left I also end with little plasteel. It's not an every game thing but happens enough to question why it happens

[strange sparrow]

Also
Better Luck Next Time

[cerulean void]

hope they add a bit of cleave to the KanXII

needs it

[abstract moth]

That's it then, there's no other way, sprinkle confirmed it early

[pastel geode]

Did you have lightning hands?

[noble onyx]

He said head pop.

[strange sparrow]

Often time, The problem with Darktide is people not doing enough DPS

[noble onyx]

No point arguing any further with him. He wants no answers.

[strange sparrow]

So they get overwhelmed

Especially case for HISTG games

[pastel geode]

Brain farted a sec there lol

[abstract moth]

We were in only 2 of us and I didn't see or hear the trapper we were doing well both of us got nabbed by trapper

[strange sparrow]

One Silent Trapper doesn't mean game end, if everyone is good with their job of CC/DPS/Sustaining defense line

[hoary stratus]

what was the other person doing for 10+ seconds while the trapper was reloading?

[strange sparrow]

Also Unbundling someone from Net cost 1.3 seconds max

[noble onyx]

(Also, the shield can block the trapper net)

[strange sparrow]

so

[finite imp]

Me reading this chat

[strange sparrow]

Could had just unnet someone

[pastel geode]

There’s a reason most psyker builds don’t run head pop anymore, you should probably try assail or lightning hands

[noble onyx]

Head pop is mostly useful in combination with a purgatus build

[abstract moth]

Because Is the best channel? I didn't ask advice on the class

[hoary stratus]

wait wtf this is the veteran channel

lmao what

[noble onyx]

Because we were trying to give you advice on the kit we thought you had

[tall torrent]

[strange sparrow]

Wait

[cerulean void]

lmao

[strange sparrow]

he's a psyker?

WAT

[terse idol]

Because we're not playing door looking sim

[terse idol]

[noble onyx]

And the universal answer: Dodge and shove.

[strange sparrow]

Skill Issue

[terse idol]

It aint

[strange sparrow]

Skill Issue

[terse idol]

You van win the game without looking at doors

[eternal sable]

why is pen a dump stat on knife

[abstract moth]

I guess that's true but there so much I can do with the illisi sword

[terse idol]

What the fuck

[strange sparrow]

Skill issue

[pastel geode]

I run columnus with assail and never have issues

[strange sparrow]

No Awareness = Skill Issue

[noble onyx]

You had the Illisi and were surrounded by enemies?

[strange sparrow]

And you sir, are certainly skill issue

[cerulean void]

dunno, I'd say mobility is the dump stat since it's already mobile AF

[pastel geode]

You what?

[quartz portal]

How's this for a roll?

[eternal sable]

you get 120% rending from t4 uncanny strike

[strange sparrow]

Im super super confused

[eternal sable]

i dont see why having a high pen matters

[strange sparrow]

But it's alright

[cerulean void]

lawbringer :c

[abstract moth]

Didn't want any obvious ones, which you gave me plenty

[pastel geode]

Show us the sword you used

[cerulean void]

I mean...

yeah, if you're going with uncanny strike?

[noble onyx]

You're only getting obvious answers because you need to learn how to play. God..

[quartz portal]

What's wrong with the Lawbringer?

[tiny summit]

Zealots like to be fast and generally most players push forward and go where the killing is. Best to just get in the habit of always pushing forward and checking team back and forth with randoms

[hoary stratus]

which you always should

[eternal sable]

that knife is on my zealot

[abstract moth]

I didn't state at all my class or equipment

[cerulean void]

nothing, the roll itself is great, it's just on a gun that has a bit of a wider spread and its alt fire will definitely hit more than one target

[noble onyx]

Lawbringer is the middle child that doesn't really have any advantage over the Kantrael or Agrip

[abstract moth]

Did not know that

[quartz portal]

On the plus side, it can decap bombers in one headshot, so I guess that's alright.

[pastel geode]

That was part of the misunderstanding, had they known they probably could’ve given you more relevant advice

[noble onyx]

Is that your answer then for what you could've done?

[tiny summit]

...

[abstract moth]

Again same things, not helpful at all

[cerulean void]

most shotguns, built well enough, should be able to do that

I loves a lawbringer, wish it was better but

if you're building for primary fire, the Agrip is better
if you're building for the duckbill shot, the Kantrael is better

[noble onyx]

@finite imp I wish to get his hour of my life back

[cerulean void]

Lawbringer has both but the strength of it being the middle model guts what makes the others shine

[quartz portal]

And then there's the Columus, which just outclasses everything

[hushed birch]

@tiny summit yea usually on other classes I have a get out of jail card,mobility or both. But, I'm running exe stance so I should probably try being more middle of group then looking back most the time

[cerulean void]

IAG's are money rn

[abstract moth]

Yeah but I said too what if I dont have those things

[hushed birch]

Yall know this dude fucking with you right

[pastel geode]

Report to your local administratum office and file the necessary form 1337.69.42 paperwork. The average wait time will be 42.69 Terran years.

[tiny summit]

I run exe. Playing it really does make you more aware of positioning since you don't have a get out of jail ability save for a frag at your feet

[abstract moth]

I mean I was surrounded by just melee mobs I use the shield to protect others from range

[noble onyx]

Now I understand why Hadron has been angry for so many Terran cycles

[pastel geode]

Bureaucracy is a bitch in 40k

[quartz portal]

So bad that it lost records of an entire species, which is now knocking on their door with weapons better than everything the Imperium has.

[strange sparrow]

There's a lot of instance that Imperium face enemy with better weapons and technology

[pastel geode]

Met a guy in rogue trader that had been trying to resolve an issue with a marriage approval for over a decade

[strange sparrow]

and they just come up on time due to the sheer size

Not really worried about that

[hushed birch]

@tiny summit it just sucks bc I like to be a team player and fill the missing role as best as possible but my build is definitely not the best for watching our six then regrouping. I could run knife but that would only help me get away not kill anything.

[strange sparrow]

Also Tau can't brainwash SpaceMarine so yeah

I'm not really worried

[pastel geode]

Tau just act like the lesser evil but they’re basically communists with a caste system

[strange sparrow]

Just like Tyranids, If some inquisitor find Tau extremely "Problematic" in the future

[tiny summit]

Idk. About my role. I bring exe. I bring my helbore. And so I shoot stuff and toss frags sometimes. Been asking randoms if they like shared vision. Most say they appreciate it

[strange sparrow]

They probably just gonna do a crusade

[torpid sundial]

What is knife good for anyways besides speedrunning

[strange sparrow]

It's a very clutching melee weapon

It allow you to make distances between you and enemy by kiting and looping

[torpid sundial]

Like you CAN kill crushers but there's no burst and it takes a while

[strange sparrow]

But that also mean your team is dead

super dead

[tiny summit]

Knives makes me feel like a gamer. That's what it's for

[strange sparrow]

Text me when Tau actually break a space marine minds by brain washing, then I would be worried

Right now, less so

Especially when there's a FUCKIN EXCEL MACHINE WORKIN

[torpid sundial]

So far I've tried shovels, chainsword, chainaxe and power sword to an extent

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xydcP31wVRk

[torpid sundial]

power sword makes you move too slow though I don't like it

[torpid sundial]

add that to the game

[tiny summit]

Folding shovels and caxes atm for me

[finite imp]

Knife brings serenity knife brings cleanliness

[torpid sundial]

yeah I like folding shovels

extremely good at managing the horde plus fold attacks can one shot everything except crushers

[tiny summit]

Because you're silencing the voices by appeasing their thrist for violence

[finite imp]

Folding shovels are just knives with extra steps.

[noble onyx]

I like folding clothes after putting them in the washing machine and hanging them to dry

[finite imp]

Knifemaxxer

[torpid sundial]

which folding shovel though

I just kinda built the first one I had with the best base stats

[woven tide]

Knife is life

[tiny summit]

Whichever you like the moveset more

[pastel geode]

Chainsword best sword

https://tenor.com/view/40k-commissar-chainsword-gif-19397214

[finite imp]

Knife

Knife is just a sword but shorter

[hushed birch]

What about chainaxe

[solid gull]

sword is big knife

[finite imp]

Chainswords are just multiple knives strung together

Same with chaxe

You're all knife users really

You just don't know it

[tiny summit]

What kind of knife are tac axes?

[jovial aurora]

are the autopistols any good?

legit never used one

[torpid sundial]

its okayish

[pastel geode]

Idk honestly, never had a good one and they weren’t really good for a long time

[hushed birch]

Even ogryn has a knife

[noble onyx]

Dull knives

[finite imp]

Wide tipped knife on the end of a stick

[cerulean void]

they used to be, then got overly nerfed because of a nice interaction with some of its blessings making it obscenely good

[jovial aurora]

i wish ogryn had a huge garbage sword

[woven tide]

The auto pistol is basically a worse Columnus

[torpid sundial]

using this atm

[finite imp]

Like a bumper sword

[hushed birch]

An ogryn sword would be wild to watch ingame

[finite imp]

Nice digging knife

[jovial aurora]

yes

or a ibeam with tin strapped to it

[noble onyx]

Swiss army knife

[pastel geode]

I want ogryns to get their gun lugger weapons

Like the autocannons

[finite imp]

Cursed knife. Only good knife is full tang

[tiny summit]

At our base, we couldnt have a blade longer than 3". Buddy had a hatchet in his trunk and got random inspection. They find the hatchet
"Why do you have this?"
"Technically the blade head is <3"
They stared at each other for a bit and then let him through.

[finite imp]

What branch

[tiny summit]

Navy

[finite imp]

Same

I used to be a radar rech

Tech

Now I work with MI as a collateral and it's slowly taken over my old job

[tiny summit]

I went in to be a nuke et. Didn't like it. They let me out.

[finite imp]

Fell for the nuke scam lol

Poor bastard

They really hype it up too

[tiny summit]

Hey I got a clearance and I still was in long enough for partial GI bill

[finite imp]

When they saw my asvab scores my recruiter saw dollar signs and was omg you're gonna be a nuke

And I was like fuck you

[pastel geode]

Navy tried to recruit me to be a nuclear engineer tech but I didn’t want early cancer

[tiny summit]

W/o telling you of the suicides at the school

[finite imp]

Brother I think I'm still gonna get cancer from all my radar exposure

Didn't need a reactor

[tiny summit]

You have more chances of becoming depressed and sucidial over any cancer

[pastel geode]

Yeah I learned that about the army after the fact

[tiny summit]

Lol I thought I did terrible on my asvab

Had buddies who were married at the school. 12hr 7days, 2off, strained some marriages

[finite imp]

What did you score

[tiny summit]

Imagine being there but also "I need fucking sleep" and the family has no time. Shit whack

[pastel geode]

I honestly wonder though what the average advance score is for infantry cause the horror stories my buddy that’s a squad lead keeps bringing me makes me scared of the grunts lol

[finite imp]

As a grunt you have 3 fates.
Die
Get medboarded
Advance and get PTSD

[tiny summit]

Like 95 I think. I was the only one in the room having to hold my hand up because the computer test would time me out because I took time on some questions.

[finite imp]

Yeah no wonder they sent you nuke

I heard dudes at the army station going I got an 18 on it hell yeah

[tiny summit]

Nuke dudes at boot camp "you know you guys count as 2?"

[pastel geode]

I scored in the 80’s, recruiter said I could’ve went straight to officer training if I wanted to

[tiny summit]

I mean if you can pass through nuke school and your first contract, you have to majorly fuck up to not be cushy in the civ sector.

[finite imp]

That was a lie

[tiny summit]

I didn't fuck up so I kept my clearance, now I'm a contractor for ATCT stuff

[tiny summit]

Definitely a lie

[pastel geode]

Doesn’t surprise me lol, I decided against joining up which I think might’ve been for the best

[finite imp]

It was

[tiny summit]

I had a buddy who actually got into nuke with like 50-60. He had to take additional tests and get waivers but he got in. Other nukes when first in were like "so how did you do on the follow up test"
Me: what follow up?

[pastel geode]

Even if I had joined most things I wanted to do (mainly pilot or vehicle crew) I was too tall for so I probably would’ve got shafted into being an ammo bearer

[tiny summit]

Friend was a marine, then became a navy officer. Him experiencing Japan with such relaxed rules was whiplash to him

[noble onyx]

I'm kinda glad I didn't join the military, German military might be a bit different but even the stories I heard make me wonder if it was going to be worth it.

[pastel geode]

old high school friend went in to be a medic, got retrained to be a radio operator, re-reassigned to medic again, then last I spoke to him he was sleeping through ied explosions in somalia

havent heard from that guy in at least a year now

[austere blade]

What goes on a good shovel?

[willow badger]

is there any good reason to use an infantry lasgun over an IAG?

other than the true imperial guard aesthetic

[tiny summit]

You like accurately tapping at range with extra ammo efficiency with shocktrooper.

I like infantry lasguns more than IAG. But I will admit the dps strengths of IAGs

[willow badger]

i guess i do mostly run weapon spec and swap to melee like 75% of the time so maybe just doesnt synergize well with my build

[inland orchid]

I like the laz as a general shooter, helps with anything that doesn’t have a copious amount of armor on

[tiny summit]

Thrust/Carapce is nice for 2 tapping crushers. Mine isn't optimal but having hammerblow on my mk3 let's my lights handle hordes

[tiny summit]

Yep. Infantry lasgun is the generic gun to use. Not gonna hurt ammo shooting trash, works at range, can reward aim, high ammo efficiency

[opaque crane]

so proud of these

[tiny summit]

Yea, infantry lasguns definitely lean more into being ranged throughout a match.

[willow badger]

you guys usually run the marksman keystones i'm guessing then

[noble onyx]

Infantry lasguns also have better sights than IAGs

[tiny summit]

I'm a MF enjoyer. Focus Target is the general favorite. Weapon Specialist is for shotgun/revolver tomfoolery

[willow badger]

I think I might be a little bit too adhd to run mf haha

[tiny summit]

You definitely have to get in the habit of just not moving unnecessarily. But usually if you're ADSing with a lasgun, you're likely in a position you don't need to slowly move

[noble onyx]

I'm still not running any keystones because there are still too many talents that I find more useful

[tiny summit]

But also play normally, get headshots and you get buffs.

[noble onyx]

I wonder what the next tree rework is going to look like, since Fatshark said that they are working on it.

[tiny summit]

Deleting survivalist or incorporated survivalist at base

[willow badger]

you running deadshot as well typically?

[noble onyx]

Deleting ammo regen would make balancing the game a lot easier for them, that's for sure

[tiny summit]

No. I like my stamina when I need it to swap to block or push. I use MF with helbores and infantry las. 2 guns that get reliable crit chance from blessings

[stone folio]

another tree rework?

how many they gunna do?

[tiny summit]

But shooting is fun

[noble onyx]

This tree rework was a.. Rushed one before the holidays. They said they wanted to do a proper rework (and hopefully we'll have a total of 80 nodes just like the other classes)

[tiny summit]

But they could probably fill the 2/3rds of empty boxes and spawn points in an auric with ammo and mats

[noble onyx]

It is fun! But what if instead every gun just had 25% more ammo instead?

And more ammo boxes were spread across the map, yeah

[tiny summit]

But I like my helbore w/ survivalist basically having infinite ammo

[noble onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-robot-guards-thats-the-point-sergeant-gif-16725636

No Survivalist: Guns run out of ammo eventually :(
Survivalist: Guns keep running :D

[tiny summit]

I think base survivalist being incorporated into all auras would be enough. I mean every class has a base weaker aura before they can choose another. Don't think it's too much to give vet who has shit auras to just have it on top of them

[outer wolf]

Is stability more important than moblity on kantrael laspistol?

[terse idol]

I meanbwe should get base scavenger

[willow badger]

alright any tips for this infantry las build?

[tiny summit]

Depends on how well you can manage the recoil

[terse idol]

As a passive

So only 0.75%

[willow badger]

just cobbled it together randomyl

[terse idol]

No survivalist

Just all vets have scrounger

[outer wolf]

I see, will compare both I have first

[tiny summit]

I would personally never use VoC with MF.

[terse idol]

I would personally just go exe and MF

[tiny summit]

Also the rending node at 10 MF stacks is ass. It's not that you cant get 10 stacks, it's just so little for a node

This is my current exe mf helbore build. When I use infantry lasgun, I swap out charismatic and shared vision for determined and elite dmg

[noble onyx]

I dunno. I just think that ammo regeneration as a whole makes the game so much more unpredictable to balance, simply because of the question of whether you have a Veteran (with survivalist) or not.

Like melee Maelstrom with no ammo vs melee Maelstrom with no ammo but you have a survivalist Veteran on your team.

[terse idol]

I mean in theory

The game is balanced off 1 1 1 1 class setup

Thr problem being it looks like survivalist being this strong means the other auras aren't too hot

[strange sparrow]

It have the same problem with other class thou

[tiny summit]

Oh it's a balance struggle but also I like shooting. Current auric balance is clown car elite/special spawns. So right now with the balance that is right now I like survivalist because it let's me shoot more and I like shooting.

[terse idol]

And this then becomes the issue of why gunlugger Ogryn or psyker vet being unable to sustain ammo or make ammo for themselves

[strange sparrow]

Except Psyker, Psyker have 2 good aura rn

Even by then it’s debatable

Zealot aura also having the same problem

Some is just better than other

[tiny summit]

5% anything gonna look like ass vs free ammo from the immaterium

Even 10% anything

[terse idol]

The movement aura isn't the worse now that I played with it tbh

[noble onyx]

Which is why to compensate the rest of the game could be adjusted. Removing survivalist but giving all guns more ammo and having more ammo pickups on the map is more consistent compared to hoping you have a Veteran with survivalist on the team while you're playing gunlugger Ogryn.

[terse idol]

Because it does help you run from hordes

[strange sparrow]

The thing is, it scale with difficulty

With the ammo aura

[terse idol]

I mean even on low diff ammo aura is free ammo

[strange sparrow]

Meaning it’s just simply easier to play ammo aura on higher difficulty and notice higher return overall

Compare to LITSG

[terse idol]

Honestly they need to remove survivalist let gun keystones actually generate their own ammo somehow

[tiny summit]

I love when people on reddit think ammo is an issue on plasma vet in damn+

[strange sparrow]

Where there isn’t a lot of special/elite

[terse idol]

The whole point of many of these keystones is shooting

Why can't they make their own ammo

[strange sparrow]

Maybe they’re shooting too much

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[terse idol]

You can even have an ammo surplus by shooting s few hordes with pgun

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, survalist is alright in my book rn

[terse idol]

I've done it, I've still had so much ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist bad ok ty

[strange sparrow]

I don’t really want the thing nerf because that mean less gunplay while Darktide melee gameplay is

[noble onyx]

Regardless of whether the aura is the best or not, being able to generate ammo is one of the most fundamentally game-changing things you can pick
Grenades aside, it makes it less of a game of juggling how you use your ammo and more a game of how many elites and specials your team can kill to regain that ammo

[strange sparrow]

Well yeah, just not fun compared to VT2

[noble onyx]

Removing survivalist should only occur if base ammo and ammo pickups get buffed

[strange sparrow]

I don’t know why but DT melee play just feel so fuckin off

[umbral scaffold]

The problem with survivalist isn't even that it gives you ammo, I'd say

It's how you get ammo

[tiny summit]

Just make a new aura and bake base survivalist into all auras as a bonus. Vet gets to be special. Survivalist "nerfed" technically. Vets don't get bullied for not running aura. Vets get more build freedom. Only people you're pissing off are the small vocal of people who say survivalist is OP for harder difficulties

[umbral scaffold]

It has a fundamental difference from just buffing ammo pickups, because specials spawn all the time, the game shits out elites and you get that ammo passively for everyone

[terse idol]

Eh

That's debatable

[strange sparrow]

It’s a personal thing

[terse idol]

The enemies in vt2 still do some wacky melee stuff

I played recently and oh boy

[strange sparrow]

If I want to play melee, I play VT2

[terse idol]

They dont often follow rules

[umbral scaffold]

But then making survivalist the base makes people whine about "we don't have a vet" and it goes back to the pre-13 crap of people asking for someone to play vet for the ammo regen

[terse idol]

People do that now

[strange sparrow]

But DT enemy just get no respect right now

Probably because no funny javelin and S&D for me

[umbral scaffold]

They do that now, but because vet still has survivalist

[terse idol]

Hell i wouldnt put it past people who just leave when they play gun lugger and a vet doesn't have survivalist

[hardy ember]

Ahhh yes another argument for ammo aura

[umbral scaffold]

As long as survivalist stays in the game, people will moan about not having a vet

[terse idol]

People can't moan when a vet doesn't exist

People will moan if you're a vet and don't have survivalist

[strange sparrow]

But why is it bad to have ammo in excess though

[tiny summit]

If that does happen, man malice and heresy sound like cancer. I only play damn+ and no one says anything about builds

[terse idol]

Because not having one instantly makes all shooting builds worse

[umbral scaffold]

Because ammo is a resource and guns make the game easier

[noble onyx]

It's not bad to have ammo in excess, it's bad that there are situation where you will have ammo in excess and sometimes you won't

[strange sparrow]

You get punished for playing gun too much in this game

[terse idol]

Any guncentric keystone doesn't have access to ammo generation their own

[umbral scaffold]

Magdumping with most weapons deals better damage than meleeing shit

[terse idol]

Not with survivalist

[strange sparrow]

Still with survivalist

[terse idol]

No you don't

[strange sparrow]

It’s call not using melee

[finite imp]

Do you know what's better than gun tho

[strange sparrow]

CoD syndrome

[tiny summit]

They may be testing that though. Several patches have had small note of "additional loot boxes added"

[finite imp]

Knife

[terse idol]

This is why you make 20 bullets back with 1 kill for a columnus

The hell

[woven tide]

Knife is life

[terse idol]

Because you easily run a surplus

[finite imp]

Knife brings family knife brings community

[umbral scaffold]

We have outliers, but the general rule is that ranged is trading ammo for burst damage and making a conscious decision about something you don't know when you'll get more of

[terse idol]

Okay il gonna say it but alot of weapons out damage guns

[strange sparrow]

Like people say gun make the game easier but you do get punished often or not for being too focused with gun

[terse idol]

Rashad

Psword

[finite imp]

Mfw someone dare uses a gun in this game 👿

[tiny summit]

'eed no ammo. Got me knife. Make 'eretic bleed. Jus' as gud. Simple as.

[umbral scaffold]

As I said, we have outliers

[terse idol]

Not alot of guns have horde clear because they don't have

Cleave

Or penetration

[finite imp]

Guns are just firing small blunted knives anyhow

[strange sparrow]

I just don’t see why having extra ammo solve anything or hurt the game in any ways tbh

[noble onyx]

Excuse you, they are firing smol spearheads

[terse idol]

Guns also don't control hordes like a shovel does

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, I forgot the other thing about trading ammo for a benefit

You're not in melee range and still dealing damage

[finite imp]

Spears are just knives in sticks

[strange sparrow]

The problem sound like AI director don’t generate enough ammo for people

[noble onyx]

Do you use bullets to cut things?

[tiny summit]

Bayonet is just a long knife with a free gun

[finite imp]

Someone hasn't tried the graia brauto

[umbral scaffold]

Most of it the time it does, but there are cases of a serious lack of ammo

[finite imp]

That thing is a fucking dakka cannon

[strange sparrow]

And that’s because AI director isnt spawning enough resources isn’t it

[tiny summit]

Fuller auto my beloved

[noble onyx]

Judgement cut but it's with bullets

[strange sparrow]

Or someone taking ammo and burning em

[umbral scaffold]

Taking ammo at least is noticeable on the UI

I've had matches where no one could find enough ammo

[strange sparrow]

Like a lot of run I could find ammo crate if we take time to loot

[tiny summit]

Thanks director for a completely empty 3 box

[terse idol]

Rngesus ne like

[strange sparrow]

And some places have fixed loot spawn

With ammo

[gray finch]

finally more plasteel then diamantine

[terse idol]

I'm convinced the director doesn't think about the boxes

Like it's alreasy predetermined

[finite imp]

Sir

Sir

[strange sparrow]

The problem in this cases is AI director being a shit instead of the need of survivalist or not

[finite imp]

Sir

[terse idol]

Huh?

[finite imp]

What the fuck

[tiny summit]

It's drunk

[noble onyx]

You must've really showed some restraint with upgrading

[terse idol]

I mean I will say most ranged builds in vt2 just had you generate infinite ammo with crit headshots

[strange sparrow]

On god

[finite imp]

It's so much worse than that I imagine

[terse idol]

But also you only had so many shots

[finite imp]

This dude just lives on the mourningstar

[strange sparrow]

VT2 ranged build don’t get to play full ranged game a lot of time

[terse idol]

Let d2 cooooook

[strange sparrow]

Also friendly fire

[terse idol]

Uh

[tiny summit]

Darktide Director really do be Randy Random from Rimworld

[terse idol]

Waystalker

Bounty hunter

Ranger

[strange sparrow]

They don’t play a lot of ranged like DT?

[terse idol]

Ranger literally got free ammo

[tiny summit]

VT2 also has full restock ammo boxes for everyone

[finite imp]

This is impressive but alarming as well.

[terse idol]

I mean debatable

But yeah

[noble onyx]

At least in VT2 you only had to worry about a few ranged threats

[finite imp]

I hope you're doing ok.

[strange sparrow]

VT2 literally doesn’t have people that run 95% bow lmao

[terse idol]

Hmm

Well because they worked different

[tiny summit]

Friendly fire modifier when Fatshark

[terse idol]

The only ranged common enemies were archers

And like ratling gunners

[strange sparrow]

Like Darktide could have people running 95% ranged

[terse idol]

Now we got lines of shooters

[strange sparrow]

Because how much more ammo tin and bags it give

[terse idol]

Never pls

[noble onyx]

Ogryns are about to have a bad day when friendly fire gets implemented

[strange sparrow]

The only one I could think of spam gun for their entire gameplay function is Bardin cracking his Gatling gun

[tiny summit]

But I wanna see how fast my ogryn gets dropped from a CIAG because they dared get in the way for a few secs

[strange sparrow]

All other doesn’t replace melee function entirely

[noble onyx]

Can I have Krak grenades stick to the collar of Psykers

[terse idol]

I mean you can't run an entire game in darktide with only your gun because of ammo restrictions and sometimes you'll need to melee things

[noble onyx]

And if a Krak grenade and Psyker's Peril explodes at the same time it creates a nuke

[terse idol]

Depending...

[finite imp]

I know this is gonna sound like a hot take from a knifemaxxer but both melee and ranged can both be good at the same time

[terse idol]

Of course

They're good in their own ways

[tiny summit]

Ogryn really is probably the reason they never had it. They probably had it in testing and went "oh...this is bad"

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, I ran Gunker and ran into deep ammo trouble but that’s because I’m using too much gun as a Psyker

Which isn’t fit for the job

Which is perfectly fine to me

[noble onyx]

Knowing when to use ranged weapons in DT is just as important as melee

[finite imp]

I literally will pull my revolver out shoulder deep in a horde and plug all five shots into the horde just to get some quick breathing room

Then VOC to reload

[tiny summit]

Imagine the vet trying to shoot a special with plasma that the zealot just charged at?

[dusk junco]

Revolver: ( Speedloader 4 + Surgical 4 ) or ( Crucian Roulette 3 + Surgical 4 ) ?

[finite imp]

Which one

[noble onyx]

Someone using infantry lasguns to shoot Poxwalkers is, however, not important

[dusk junco]

I kinda feel that speedloader is worse but opinions plz

[strange sparrow]

I would even argue all other 3 class shouldn’t have much ammo option

[finite imp]

IM TRYING

[strange sparrow]

Compared to Veteran

[finite imp]

WHICH ONE

[dusk junco]

I wanna know what combo is better

[strange sparrow]

[finite imp]

HEY ASSHOLE OVER HERE

WHICH REVOLVER

[tiny summit]

You can send me tips for that 3 toughness I restored to you off that poxwalker head ty very much

[dusk junco]

ohhhhhhh

[finite imp]

HELLOOOO

[tall torrent]

Mk2:
Hand Cannon + Surgical

Mk14:
Crucian Roulette + Trickshooter

[dusk junco]

Zarona mk IIa

[finite imp]

IS THIS THING ON

[finite imp]

Crucian and surgical

🙂

[noble onyx]

The top-break revolver

[finite imp]

But I'd recommend handcannon

[willow badger]

I'll be honest I ran a round with vet shout and MF and it went ok

couldnt tell a big functional difference

[dusk junco]

hand caonnon is a pointless stat

[tall torrent]

Hand cannon is ok for carapace if you’re using a revolver with the idea of shooting crushers & maulers in mind

You shouldn’t do it most of the time tho

[finite imp]

Don't listen to these guys they're noobs

And dumb and gay

[tiny summit]

Yea, I mean its not gonna hurt you but with VoC you're probably more in the thick of enemies. MF is for positioning on the edge of the team. Though MF CIAG is funny

[finite imp]

I can 2 tap crushers

[tall torrent]

Crucian + surgical is pretty good for dealing with most enemies

[noble onyx]

More rending = more damage = more good, gooder, did I say that right varlets?

[tall torrent]

Rending >100% is converted into damage at a very bad ratio of 4:1

[tiny summit]

Unless it's MF rending node. Node stinky

[finite imp]

True but you're still a nerd

[strange sparrow]

you’re a stinky

You play MF

[tall torrent]

[strange sparrow]

[noble onyx]

And Crucian Roulette is pointless if you can get 100% crit with Surgical

[tall torrent]

Not exactly because you shouldn’t be waiting for surgical stacks to build up most of the time

[tiny summit]

Based MF gamers rise up!

[strange sparrow]

Nothing is based with MF

[tiny summit]

I will spread the word of MF so you see it more in your games

[strange sparrow]

Please stop I just saw a plasma MF today

[tiny summit]

Gonna spam upload my Exe MF runs

[tall torrent]

A lot of the cases you’re only getting 1~2 stacks of surgical between shots

[strange sparrow]

Crouch walking

The entire game

[tiny summit]

OK. I don't own him.

[strange sparrow]

No no no, he’s a MF gamer wdym

[finite imp]

When your knifemaxxing you should basically be quick scoping with the revo

[tiny summit]

I honestly don't crouch walk with MF. Click heads. Find firing positions. Profit

[tiny summit]

No no. I don't claim him. He is not based

[tall torrent]

Yea so 1-2 stacks of surgical most of the time

[noble onyx]

Even so, the combination of crucian roulette + surgical is negligible if you consider that there is a minimum damage increase of 15% when hand cannon triggers

So for when you absolutely need more rending, you can have it on demand

[tall torrent]

It depends on perks & breakpoints

[finite imp]

Look dog. I don't use anything but knives and revolvers

[tall torrent]

Both are ok

[willow badger]

how this for a focus build with inf-las?

[noble onyx]

True

[finite imp]

I'm telling you

Handcannon 4 and crucian 4

[tall torrent]

Don’t. It’s only coherency regen bonus

And it’s only 10%

A curio perk slot is 30%

[terse idol]

I personally wouldn't go focus target with infantry lasgun

[noble onyx]

Thanks to RNG in this game you don't have an easy way to replicate builds and breakpoints anyways

[terse idol]

Buuuut

[tall torrent]

On a revolver? Not as complicated as a lot of other weapons

[terse idol]

You can do it

[hardy ember]

Laughs in Columnus mark 5 auto gun

[terse idol]

Uh, I think it's really straightforward

[tall torrent]

The RNG in this game is not so bad that breakpoints aren’t replicable between different stat rolls

[terse idol]

Many of these numbers are within testable ranges

[tiny summit]

If you insist on VoC

[terse idol]

Its how people here helped reach a 4 hit BP on a crusher with my rashad

[willow badger]

i am sadly a VoC hoe

[terse idol]

Because it was so consistent

[noble onyx]

You're still going to have to get those ranges to begin with

[terse idol]

Which is easy

[tall torrent]

U could do 3 btw

[terse idol]

The ranges with many weapons are that big

[tall torrent]

[willow badger]

VoC is such a great get of jail card ngl

[tall torrent]

Yes u could 3 tap a crusher with Rashad

It’s very point heavy most of the time

[tall torrent]

Without crits

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

With crits you can 3 tap semi reliably because teammates will deal a bit of damage (hopefully) and 1 crit automatically sends u into 2-3 hit kill range

[noble onyx]

So then what are the important breakpoints of damage, penetration and critical bonus on the Zarona?

[tall torrent]

1 headshot (crit) both flamers, both gunners, both shotgunners, trapper, bomber, both ragers
2 headshot (crit) crushers, maulers, reapers

Only the “both rager” breakpoint is a bit finicky

[noble onyx]

I mean the % numbers.

[tiny summit]

Having tinkerer under krak when kraks already delete crushers is a troll placement

[noble onyx]

Obviously I have to get those % numbers, perks and blessings from somewhere

[tall torrent]

That I don’t know, but usually you want high 70s

[noble onyx]

But you don't always get high 70s, which is why I was saying, you have to rely on RNG to get a good revolver that isn't getting bricked.

Which sucks.

[final stone]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-wut-what-hawkeye-obcrack-hawkeye-gif-25750464

[noble onyx]

Shame the game doesn't have a system similar to DRG, would make it much easier to experiment with builds.

[finite imp]

Knife brings love knife brings passion

[tall torrent]

Would be a godsend but doubt they’ll change it now lol

[finite imp]

Knife shows you the way

[crude ermine]

The game really wants me to stick to the mk2 because every mk1 good roll has become a dump thanks to infernus and the other one

[finite imp]

Knife is a light shining in the dark

[noble onyx]

Helbore?

[tall torrent]

Ironically hb1 is way easier to roll than hb2

[crude ermine]

Yes

[finite imp]

Ye

[crude ermine]

Then Hadron must fucking hate me

[finite imp]

The knife gun

[final stone]

this you?

[tall torrent]

HB2 godroll needs:
Unarmored
Maniac
Onslaught / surgical / no respite

HB1 godroll can get away with a lot of perks

[crude ermine]

Thought it was flak

[noble onyx]

RIP
I'm personally more of a fan of the HB2 but I recognize that the HB1 can get some mean breakpoints

[finite imp]

Knife brings premarital sex
Knife fucks
Knife brings gains
Knife is the party

[crude ermine]

I could make the change if necessary

[tall torrent]

Flak not needed
Maniac gives u trapper 1HS any range and crit 1 HS flamer

[crude ermine]

I got lucky on the blessings

[finite imp]

Beautiful knife on that gun

[noble onyx]

But my life is a lot easier since I don't really care about breakpoints, just that a weapon feels good

[tall torrent]

Mk1 HB with flak could reach scab rager 1HS non crit

[final stone]

DATS WY AH NAYMD IM BUZZ SAWLDRIN

TA GO WIT ME SLAB, SHIEL HARMSTRONK

[terse idol]

Well minimum 70's is good enough for most guns is what I'm saying

[tiny summit]

No fair. Let the sah have a chance at shooting it

[tall torrent]

What’s the knife u use on vet

[terse idol]

Most BP's are either very high or very low

[final stone]

I uh

don't

I have transcended to crusher enjoyment

[strange sparrow]

Some BP is stupid while some are less optimal

Look at fuckin Dreg Gunner with HB mk2

The stupid Breakpoint be like

🫠

[tiny summit]

Mk2 good

[tall torrent]

Unarmored or u can’t reach

[noble onyx]

It's still something you have to roll first though, rather than it being available on almost all examples of a gun, is what I was trying to say

[crude ermine]

Ik but like..I wanna try 1

[noble onyx]

It's less noticable the more time you have in the game of course since you have so many more weapon drops compared to newer players

[tiny summit]

I was using mk1. Now mk2 enjoyer

[strange sparrow]

MK2 Enjoyer is just enjoying the gun that doesn't need to charge as often

Can't change my mind

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[tall torrent]

You’ll realize mk1 is just mk2 with noticeably slower firerate and u only get better breakpoints on like 2 targets (flamers) most of the time

[tiny summit]

Mk2 getting away w/o onslaught is nice

Falter funny

[final stone]

#ogryn-class message

[tall torrent]

Falter doesn’t even work for bayonet I think

Very sad

[final stone]

fuckin hyperlinks I swerr ter gerr

[strange sparrow]

I play Mk1 like a very stupid personal, I spam 5 shot to get max onslaught

[tiny summit]

But stunlocking maulers at range funny

[final stone]

#ogryn-class message

[tall torrent]

Wait what

[strange sparrow]

then only start charging shot

[final stone]

I give up

[tall torrent]

Ok I gotta get one for the sillies

[tiny summit]

Shoot maulers in the head with falter they just stop

[tall torrent]

Wish falter worked on bayonet

[tiny summit]

Be funny if it did. It should though

[noble onyx]

Wish we already had official weapon customization and more weapons

[tall torrent]

I think only thing I’d do with weapon customization is adding optics to every gun I use but that’s it

[tiny summit]

Gonna download the weapon customization mod and make an abomination of a helbore

[noble onyx]

But what about adding bayonets to a gun

Or a flashlight

[tall torrent]

It’s cool but I don’t find the need for it

[tiny summit]

I think Lights Out is a dumb modifier for a whole map modifier and think it should be like a random director occurrence in the map either for a limited time or isolated specific sections of a map

[tall torrent]

Lights out is cancer
And now vent purge is almost just as bad

[crude ermine]

I do like 3's little "optic" at the front of the gun but I hate the fact it's on the 3

[inland orchid]

But if it was random that would mean all the other conditions could randomly happen

[noble onyx]

Well, I'd rather have a bayonet or flashlight on a gun than a stupid bash that doesn't do much more than if I had swapped to my melee

[crude ermine]

Makes it unpredictable and a more "oh shit, god damnit" moment instead of "welp time to not see shit for the whole run"

[terse idol]

Well yeah and like I will note that newer players none of this matters

It doesnt matter that their pgun doesn't one shot dredge gunners its just optimalization

[tiny summit]

Or how some people never even play it except quick quick play and don't leave

[noble onyx]

Imagine if Wolfer got notified of you being in a zone, turns the lights off on you mid-mission, then taunts you

[tiny summit]

GOOD

[merry glade]

me when im not running survivalist 😇
me when another vet isnt

[noble onyx]

New player doesn't have to mean inexperienced player
They can definitely notice if they have to shoot a guy in the head once or twice

[tiny summit]

Imagine a lights out moment when you just started hearing some spawns

[placid swan]

Does this apply for my teammates as well?

[noble onyx]

As I said, I don't care about getting breakpoints, but it's still RNG to get the right weapon at the end of the day

[crude ermine]

"YOUR TIME TO DIE" X12 and a "OO ITS ABOUT TO GET HOT" with a side of "SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?"

[terse idol]

Yes

[tiny summit]

Yes. If 1 person has this talent, all boxes are upgraded

[placid swan]

Sweet thanks.

[woven tide]

It doesn't say it in the description but it does in fact effect everyone else

[noble onyx]

Everyone will love you when you run that (if they know about it)
Same goes for Survivalist

[terse idol]

It just doesn't like, no I get your point
My perspective is just coming from actually knowing the systems

[placid swan]

Got both running thankfully.

[tiny summit]

Wondering whether if I have appreciation for bombers and flamers during lights out because I can see again

[terse idol]

I've played vt2 for hundreds of hours without knowing or understanding breakpoints

So it wouldn't even occur to me that the CK I was killing could be killed in 1 or 2 hits

Because of a 100hp bp

But it didn't seemingly affect my gameplay I just needed to work harder

(Frankly I don't even know BP's in vt2 now)

Rng plays a role yeah

[inland orchid]

I don’t know BP’s period

[finite imp]

I don't need them because my skill compensates 🙂

[crude ermine]

The enemy of your enemy CAN be your friend

But that doesn't stop you from shooting them

[finite imp]

NERD

[cloud current]

I kinda wish damage was a range instead of fixed to avoid the breakpoint obsession tbh

[terse idol]

But at 30 you're guranteed to have minimum 70 in damage stats SOMETIMES thr rng system sucks but I do think people understand

bigger number higher
Most BP's to meet need extra specific enemy modifiers

[noble onyx]

I won't lie, I do get annoyed if my weapon doesn't finish the enemy in one headshot, but I don't care enough about breakpoints to try and get the perfect weapon for that, just many hours wasted on something that will become obsolete one day anyways

[terse idol]

Like unarmoured

Like carapace

[crude ermine]

My biggest annoyance is where it's like 8 dmg away from death

[terse idol]

Its just not that close sometimes

[finite imp]

Thank god the devs ignore this discord

[crude ermine]

all because I don't have slaughter 4

[terse idol]

But it is a good issue

[tiny summit]

Also seeing bombers standing or walking through their flame on Lights Out makes them look so much more imposing

[terse idol]

I hit that 30 BP off

[crude ermine]

They gain a passive buff in the cool factor

[final stone]

until they give me a flashlight

I will mod the game until it breaks to give myself my own flashlight

this could all be rectified with honesty

communication

and an understanding of whether it's the amps or the volts that kills people

[crude ermine]

Would it be client side?

Since like

Technically only you can see the light with enough shit

No one else would know

[final stone]

I would like a flashlight like the little people have

[crude ermine]

Just don't point them at DH

[final stone]

playing in third person removes the universal short distance light everyone has by default

[noble onyx]

If I was running mods I could tell you just how close I was to one-shotting something like a gunner, but alas I don't run mods
Though considering that I can sometimes one-shot them and sometimes I can't depending on whether I have some minor buffs or not, I'm gonna assume it was very close

[crude ermine]

They're like richest

Witches

[final stone]

it's ismply not applied outside of first person

so the most fun I've ever had

[tiny summit]

Lights out as random happenings in maps and also throw in some glowsticks as random trash pickups. So people can fuck around

[final stone]

is three smols all with flashlight guns

[crude ermine]

That sounds funi

[final stone]

and me in third person using their sporadic ass rave lights

to see by

using just the grenade gauntlet only

[finite imp]

Flares and chemlights would be fun

[final stone]

smesh, blest, HOLD DAT LYT STEDDY AHL PULL YA LEG OUTTA SOKKIT

[tiny summit]

Darktide needs more dark...but you know. Actually see able and enjoyable

[noble onyx]

Ogryn gets large lightbulbs that he can throw

[final stone]

auric lights out and vent purges are hands down my favorite mission type to play

I seek em out

because I hate my heart

and want to jumpscare it to death

[terse idol]

But wait you don't need to rub mods

I don't run mods to test bps

[final stone]

babe we can rub mods just cuz

[crude ermine]

Five nights at tertium

[dusk junco]

Manic or Unylielding on Zarona MK IIA?

[terse idol]

Like all the enemies are here

[crude ermine]

Manic

[final stone]

seriously we'll set one up sometime on a mission that really showcases it

like the smelter

[terse idol]

Darktide has a BP calculator you can find

[final stone]

wait

[terse idol]

Which I don't use because it's confusing

[final stone]

wait a second we still haven't gone on our date

[terse idol]

But you don't need mods

[dusk junco]

ty

[crude ermine]

FS loves being weird with calculations

[tiny summit]

Darktide players in the lab for BPs like FGC in the lab

[final stone]

we were gonna lock your partner in the trunk, remember

[noble onyx]

Well.. That's technically a mod. But I don't really feel like running those calculators either. I just want my weapons to feel good and useful.

[terse idol]

You dont need itt

I've tested bps with 0 mods and the calculator

[final stone]

look

just go into the grinder

[terse idol]

I just absorb information here, ask and do testing

[final stone]

tier five

[ripe lodge]

Is mobility important on brauto? Not sure if this would be worth rolling

[final stone]

find the enemy

and hit em in the fuckin face

[terse idol]

Yes okri is right

[crude ermine]

No

[final stone]

breakpoint calculator nerd math

[dusk junco]

It comes down to changing unarmoured perk or speedloader blessing to hand connon. I can only do one.

[terse idol]

Sometikes BP's are confusing

[crude ermine]

Mobility is a dump stat

[noble onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[final stone]

do

not

dump

mobility

[terse idol]

Then you can't blame it 🥹

[crude ermine]

Speedload to HC

[terse idol]

Mobility is a dump stat

[crude ermine]

Unarmored is nice to have

[final stone]

mobility is never a dump stat

[terse idol]

WITNESS MEEEE

[crude ermine]

Better than other useless perks

[final stone]

what weapon are we talking about

[noble onyx]

I can blame the Gunner for not dying in one headshot

[molten hound]

mobility is dump until it affects your dodge limit

[final stone]

that's usually always at or close to 50

[crude ermine]

I would devour that gun and force you to get a new one

[terse idol]

NO NOO

[final stone]

https://tenor.com/view/keenan-snl-hmm-somethings-off-not-right-gif-8220520

[molten hound]

what perks is best for boltgun?

[terse idol]

You dont know a mobility dump stat until you've reached 13

[ripe lodge]

Isnt spread affected on brauto though from mobility? I have no idea how much it affects it

[terse idol]

Which isn't that bad

[umbral scaffold]

54 Times

[terse idol]

Just dont fight things in melee

[tiny summit]

I got a 10% mobility shredder pistol

[junior needle]

Not really. Mobility is substantially less important on guns than it is on melee weapons. It's typically always the ranged weapon dump stat unless your gun has useless stats.

[dusk junco]

Unarmoured to manic or speedloader to hand cannon.

[terse idol]

I am in the opinion that the beat guns are all base 70's

[dusk junco]

thats my only option

[terse idol]

No 60 dump stat in any stats

[junior needle]

Speedload to handcannon since rending also counters ranged falloff

[noble onyx]

Speedloader to hand cannon

[tiny summit]

Fatshark had to give bolter mobility over ammo

[terse idol]

[final stone]

amateurs

[dusk junco]

Alright, thank you.

[crude ermine]

I don't think that thing can even shoot

No wonder it has 1

[final stone]

most guns are outies

this gun is an innie

[placid swan]

What should I roll that melee crit chance and brutal momentum into?

[dusk junco]

Okay, last question. What one would you run?

[crude ermine]

Tbh I'd keep BM

[final stone]

I'd run to the gunstore to get a real weapon ayooooooo

[crude ermine]

Crit chance I'd change to like..flak

[final stone]

https://tenor.com/view/got-em-lmao-mind-blown-squad-gif-17265113

[placid swan]

Flak and a IV on BM?

[crude ermine]

Right because of HC

[final stone]

you're a betterrun

veteran

whatever

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[final stone]

plasma, bolter

[crude ermine]

Unless you don't care for slaughterer then Powercycler

[final stone]

and I just gave you two

you can only bring one

[dusk junco]

ty!

[final stone]

pick one

plasma bolter all the fun you need

[timid flower]

Id go for helbore on vet over revolver

Unless its melee vet

[crude ermine]

What the hell.. bore

[final stone]

^helbore punches through teammates like ogryn crowding up doorways every god damned time okri move your ASS

[timid flower]

The lucius ones

[final stone]

luscious you say

[timid flower]

Wooden stock

Bayonet

[final stone]

starts pouring two glasses of wine

[placid swan]

If I modify BM 2 into BM3 can I later rebless the 3 to a 4?

[final stone]

if you refine a slot

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[final stone]

perk or blessing

[placid swan]

Thanks

[final stone]

you can freely refine that slot forever

and yes you can uptier

but not downtier

[placid swan]

Ah cool, many thanks

[placid swan]

looks great thanks

[final stone]

she's built like a fridge but she glides like a hippo

the face of a man that knows what weapons customization put in his hand

[placid swan]

80 is still the cap for Blessings on Curio?

[final stone]

curios are a weird fish, just scan for 17% toughness and 21% health

3 stamina, and wounds are always 1

[placid swan]

17/21 got it. Thanks

[merry gale]

not the space vector please

[terse idol]

The tickler

That's beautiful

See maybe rng ain't that bad because of these beauties

[final stone]

fresh heavens and fresh hells

every login

[terse idol]

I can hear krieg clamering

For this blessed shovel

[crude fiber]

i saw someone say that unless the + 3 stam has a rating of 78 it didnt actually give 3 stamina. no idea if thats true

even if it says its + 3

[terse idol]

Hmm

Didn't hear that yet

[final stone]

I can math it real quick

I run a 3 stam and two health myself

[placid swan]

For vet? no toughness curios?

[crude fiber]

i run 2 +3 stam and either health or toughness depending on if ranged or melee build

[finite imp]

I run plus 9 stamina

[terse idol]

2 is too much imo

[finite imp]

🙂

[placid swan]

Due to Deadshot?

[final stone]

also

[finite imp]

KNIFE

[terse idol]

Are yall using deadshot columnus builds

What theeee

[final stone]

this fuckin mod

psych ward I think

[blazing veldt]

Vet knife is busted

[tiny summit]

Put some hair on your chest. +9 stam

[final stone]

quality of life completely upgraded

[finite imp]

+9 stamina chads

Can't get hit if you're moving

[blazing veldt]

lemme guess stripped down columnus

[finite imp]

Hell n9

No

Revolver

[blazing veldt]

Good

[finite imp]

What is this baby games

[crude fiber]

+9 stam and max block efficiency for ultimate gibbed by disabler build

[finite imp]

Knife and revolver

[blazing veldt]

Knife + precision strikes goes crazy

[placid swan]

What are yall ranged vets using for curio perks? Toughness/Toughness Regen/Corruption Resist?

[terse idol]

Uh

[final stone]

you cannot go wrong with gunner, sniper, and bomber/flamer resist

[blazing veldt]

stamina regen block efficiency

[blazing veldt]

you can eat overheads with enough stamina

[terse idol]

3x gunner res (I'm gonna change it to 2x)
1x sniper
3x stamina regen

[crude fiber]

i always use stam regen, block efficiency and revive speed but i know that revive speed it not very meta

[terse idol]

Some health

Some toughness

[crude fiber]

define overheads

[final stone]

bonk go up

[finite imp]

Crusher overhead

Strike

[final stone]

head down here

[placid swan]

And stamina regen is applicable to ranged? For blocking im assuming?

[final stone]

bonk up here

bonk come down

head up here

bonk down here

[crude fiber]

i dont think you can ever block those though i could be wrong

[terse idol]

I use it because vet has some terrible stamina regen

[finite imp]

I just be blocking plagryns and chaos spawns all day

[final stone]

shield plant will block any melee

but no do not block overheads

[blazing veldt]

vet can actually get up to psyker level stamina regen

[final stone]

and do not rescue a teammates around any enemy that can overhead

[terse idol]

Yeah with 3x stam regen

Which is a heavy investment

[placid swan]

you're using stam for the deadeye perk with sway reduc and crit chance?