veteran-class

[slate sleet]

i mean that was with pubs and we did just fine

[low lava]

Mael solo can be done as well but its sort of RNG though lol

[slate sleet]

people went down to some usual bs like a perfect storm of specials spawning in but its part of auric really

either way the point is that auric mael right now is easy enough that you can use anything with pubs and still win

[low lava]

Bring back the part 1 patch with carnival only

[slate sleet]

yeah you wont do 1mil dmg with a recon unless you really try but who cares honestly

[low lava]

damnation on patch 14? felt like current HISTG lol

that was more entertaining

[slate sleet]

we need difficulty 6

[dusty sluice]

i kinda want to use infanttry las lol

[slate sleet]

all the infantry lasguns are good fmis

you need headhunter headtaker

click on heads and delete specials

[strange sparrow]

Pray that you get good teammate

[slate sleet]

they do absolutely nothing vs carap tho

[strange sparrow]

It is what it is

[dusty sluice]

i kinda want to be helpful

[strange sparrow]

Then you be using melee a lot

[noble onyx]

More than half of the ranged weapons don't really do much against carapace barring some crit-build exceptions.

But since the only real carapace threat are Crushers, it's not that big of a deal

[low lava]

Just need a sort of meta melee weap

rashad/power sword/new shovel

or take krak nades

[strange sparrow]

In the end, if your gun is subpar, you take a better melee option

[low lava]

or chainaxe, forgot thats good now too

[noble onyx]

You should always have a balanced loadout to deal with both hordes and armored foes

Chainaxe/Chainsword are both good

[slate sleet]

melee wep for carap is such a meme

[barren cave]

infantry las is fine, you just gotta get good with headshots , your blessings kinda depend on it

[slate sleet]

just krak grenade the crushers

there are not enough of them on the map / per wave for it to ever be a issue

you regen 1 grenade every minute = 1 dead crusher

[noble onyx]

Uses 3 krak grenades to kill 3 crushers
Remaining 6 crushers are still alive

[tough tiger]

Is it just me or many of the nodes on veteran skill tree are really strong?

[stone folio]

i mean, if its a crusher patrol they tend to stack up and get murdered by the aoe of the krak

[tough tiger]

Grenade regen? Really?

[noble onyx]

There can and will be hordes of crushers running at you every now and then

[slate sleet]

i dunno about 6 crushers at the same time usually its 4 at most on auric + shields

[barren cave]

they are , to the point where I never run the keystones

[tough tiger]

Crushers arent that big of a deal if i regen krak every minute

[slate sleet]

the nodes are fine, the difficulty is the issue

5 is just too ez now

[barren cave]

if you have no melee or ranged weapons to deal with crushers and are relying exclusively on krak regen on auric , then you are gonna be kiting for days

[low lava]

I've seen pats of 9 but w/e

[slate sleet]

we need 6 with some real psycho amount of enemies

[noble onyx]

I've kinda had the opposite results where it might take out a second one, which is why I prefer running frags for killing everything else + throwing Crushers around
Crushers aren't a threat if nothing else is supporting them

[slate sleet]

pats are a different thing

[low lava]

there's already Melee maelstrom

[fossil basalt]

Nah, vet tree is just hyper condensed to center tree and needs to be reworked still

[low lava]

DT difficulty in its current form is just probably gonna be based on BS special combinations though

[tough tiger]

Left tree seems beyond useless

[slate sleet]

most melee weps that are worth using are also good vs carap

what does nothing vs carap? standard shovel?

[low lava]

Standard shovel and light swords I guess

[fossil basalt]

Until we get a stormvermin equiv that makes patrols a thing you actually want to avoid instead of "ooo fun times" 😛

[low lava]

Patrols are always fun times

[slate sleet]

30% weakspot dmg for melee and ranged, 25% ammo, deadshot opens up a entire new playstyle, 15% elite dmg, suppression immunity, huge ammo buff for las weapons, marksmans focus making IAG's into beasts

how is it useless

[noble onyx]

I love how tac axes are rarely ever mentioned

[low lava]

oh right, tac axes lol

just give them a new blessing that was old school bromentum

[slate sleet]

imma start trying out tac axes tbh

looks fun

[low lava]

lots of clicking

[noble onyx]

I hate the tac axe moveset so much that I haven't bothered with them since early 2023

[quartz glen]

How are MK1 Helbore stabby stab builds?

[placid portal]

You can delete specials

even a good portion of elites that aren't fully carapace

[slate sleet]

snorebore melee is overtuned tbh

[placid portal]

Just gotta have a weapon that has bruhmentum

[slate sleet]

but its also pretty cool how its a free melee weapon essentially

[placid portal]

You can handle a hoarde alone which is nice

just can't block

[slate sleet]

need more guns with built in melee thats usable

[placid portal]

^^^

Fixed Bayonets on lasguns must be a thing

how can I bleed for empra if I don't have bayonet

[barren cave]

you whip out your chainsword

[placid portal]

prefer chain axe

I get your point

[noble onyx]

Apart from Ripper Guns and Helbores, I often wonder why melee attacks on ranged weapons even exist over some cooler function, switching to your melee weapon is about as fast and safer
Granted, Executioner's stance is kind of an exception for where it can be useful

[placid portal]

[stone folio]

can this be saved?

[barren cave]

I like how the chainaxe has very lound revving sounds on non specials as well

[stone folio]

cuz i can put power cycler 4 on it

[placid portal]

Gotta saw down the heretics like a lumberjack

[noble onyx]

Reasonably so yeah, change Supercharge to PC4 and as for the perks.. I think changing Unyielding to Flak might be the better deal?

[civic knot]

Is the graia any good compared to the colomnus?

[strange sparrow]

It’s good

[civic knot]

infantry autoguns wise

[strange sparrow]

IAG family and Braced Auto benefit a lot from Veteran talent tree

[thick rose]

gotta shout out @drifting oak

[strange sparrow]

Compare wise, it’s not as good but it’s workable

[thick rose]

super good advice on chaxe

[noble onyx]

But I'm not 100% sure about whether to swap out the 15% Maniac damage or 20% Unyielding damage
I think Maniac damage might be more relevant

[bitter turtle]

I prefer it over colu now tbh

[thick rose]

chaxe with melee vet build is fun times

[bitter turtle]

Better recoil and long distance performance for a very minor dps loss

[thick rose]

take that, mobility

[noble onyx]

You are now an anti-tank cannon

[thick rose]

siege mode

[stone folio]

belt fed bolter when

[tough tiger]

How are the recon lasguns? Are any of them nice?

[barren cave]

never, have you seen the time it takes on magfed bolter reload

[thick rose]

goddamn. LMG fps archetype would be so fun

[low lava]

https://i.imgur.com/7mUd4xd.png waste of plasteel but I have more than enough atm lol

I was hoping it'd be flakiac for the memes

or unyielding so it can be a dragonslayer

[noble onyx]

Give me the 1 minute reload time

[stone folio]

i soo badly just wanna steal the Dreg gunners weapon

like hello

gimme that LMG

i dont care if itll make us more akin to the ogryn

[thick rose]

TAINED BY CHAOS

[stone folio]

this fcker here has been taunting me since the skill tree update

gimme dat belt fed

[thick rose]

but how cool would it be to pick up guns and just hold down fire

throw away

[noble onyx]

You want to use.. Heretic guns?!

[thick rose]

for the emporer

[stone folio]

for the emperor ofcourse

[civic knot]

Isnt laspistol just superior than all of the infantry lasguns for veteran? damage wise?

[bitter turtle]

They are bad

6d is the least bad but still bad

[stone folio]

they were good for a while, but then they got hit by the nerf hammer again

[thick rose]

the almost laser LMG 😦

with the ammo return talent.. fire for so long

[sharp ember]

close range laspistols have more dps, but infantry lasguns sport more total ammo and better damage at range

it is hilarious blasting a mauler in the chest with the mk10 laspistol though

[tough tiger]

why does fatshark nerf things as if we're playing a competitive shooter?

what incentive is there to nerf a gun that players enjoy?

[civic knot]

new one or old?

also, what makes the new laspistol good for vet?

[white minnow]

cuz there'll be no challenge left and that in itself is no fun

[thick rose]

if something is truly OP and 4 people can steamroll anything I guess it breaks their economy but I dont hink the old lasgun was like that XD

[white minnow]

and there's multiple difficulties if you want something easier

[sharp ember]

new, but i’d say they’re fairly balanced

it’s mostly for fun with a melee build tbh

the new heavier laspistol lasts longer with deadshot because it shoots slower and harder

[low lava]

nerfs so you can run to mommy hadron to roll new weapons to increase player retention

[quartz glen]

Wait, there are new laspistols? This sounds perfect for commissar rp 😛

[nova sedge]

LOL

[thick rose]

that is the 2. an auto and las LMG and a pistol+sword'ish combo weapon

[sharp ember]

just the newish kantrael mk10, it’s like a pistolized mg12 lasgun

or a las deagle

[quartz glen]

Yum.

[placid portal]

mk10 laspistol do be having insane flak dmg modifier

[quartz glen]

Sounds fun

[placid portal]

yum

[noble onyx]

It wasn't ever OP, there was just a time when shooter/stalker spam was a bigger threat than elites

For that job it was very efficient

[sharp ember]

the sound design on it is pretty good

and the ring flare effect when it crits

[thick rose]

a lasgun with a special that toggled between semi and auto would be kinda cool

as long as it balanced dmg per shot so it was worth

I guess if it was baalnce that would kinda make a bunch of guns pointless

so they can never do that

[cloud leaf]

i can tell when a vet is gonna be useless by whcih power sword they use

[thick rose]

shiiiiiiiiiiiiettt

lmao

I actually dont see very many powerswords

[quartz glen]

What gives away an awesome vet?

[thick rose]

dclaw

[barren cave]

based take

[thick rose]

or shovel if its NOT krieg

[strange sparrow]

Awesome? Definition of awesome

I prefer any vets running non-Psword and non-plasma/recon

Not a deadweight, carry their own weight while helping the team

[lusty jetty]

"I prefer any vets running non-Psword

"

Why?

[strange sparrow]

Because the sword remove big part of melee from the game

Why dodge when you can just m1 -> dead everything

If you get hit, one hit and your toughness is back

Crusher? Push attack + light

There is next to no weakness with Psword once you invested Pcycler 2

Or simply say, it remove the appeal of tide game into a point and click game

Just like why people complain about pre-nerf assail despite auric Mael player prefer unlimited smite ( Assail just out dps them in almost every confrontation = they don’t get to play the game)

[thick rose]

good vets are degens that have played everything and just keep changing for entertainment so you cant judge their weapons

[strange sparrow]

^ also why plasma deserve a nerf because the rest of your team don’t get to play the game

[thick rose]

except

if you get a good vet on plasma and powersword run will seem easier XD

[strange sparrow]

(fuck Recon, you’re a deadweight)

[junior haven]

I say: who gives a shit what weapon people are using its just a game

[strange sparrow]

When you don’t get to play the game because someone plasma everything dead

[junior haven]

Sucks to suck.

[strange sparrow]

Why you thought that people hate plasma/Pre-Nerf Asail

[thick rose]

also

good ogryn gunner

[noble onyx]

So.. What would you say are the "awesome" vet weapons?

[thick rose]

not much to kill for you

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore is based along with IAG/Braced family

Hellbore Shovel Krieg is the most awesome

[thick rose]

vraks? revolver

with hand cannon surgical

[strange sparrow]

Vraks player dont exist in my region

Revolver player is rare overall too

APAC region

[thick rose]

I agree, im aus

I see autoguns a lot

I use autos

most fun

[strange sparrow]

I saw couple revolver player but they’re spamming Psword for weapon specialist so

[thick rose]

zarona revolver I meant to say

[strange sparrow]

Agripinaa too weak rn

For vets weapon specialist especially

[thick rose]

its so good its good on zealot

[strange sparrow]

Considering it overcome the biggest problem with reload speed which uhhh yea

You get them anyways with weapon spec

[junior haven]

luv me weapon spec. luv me stealth. luv me plasma. luv me psword.

[strange sparrow]

I wish that Stealth get more utility

Because it’s aggro dumping to your team

[thick rose]

sounds like good veterency

[noble onyx]

Helbore is also kind of a mary sue weapon after all of the buffs though

[thick rose]

imagine if smoke gave everyone in AOE stealth

[junior haven]

Just kill what you're aggro dumping. EZ clap.

[strange sparrow]

It feature a more unique playstyle

Compared to all the other gun

[dusty sluice]

just got this as a eg, take uncanny or could it be usable?

[noble onyx]

Well true.. But its power level is still quite comparable to plasma

[thick rose]

im an asshole

but

I reckon the 7 is cool with uncanny decimater

[strange sparrow]

Until they buff Hellbore piercing, it’s no where near it

Because it’s just +1 atm

[civic knot]

What perk do I run on this?

[dusty sluice]

any silly tips for helbore?

[strange sparrow]

Always charge your shot

Charge shot override inverse damage falloff

[dusty sluice]

oh nice

[strange sparrow]

Most of the enemy (bug)

[dusty sluice]

iv'e had to rebind my spec attack just for bayonet

lmao

[strange sparrow]

Only maniac is hit by damage inverse falloff with Hellbore

All other doesn’t because FS fucked up

But it’s a good thing imo

[strange sparrow]

Agile Engagement work on bayonet and gun

And some melee blessing spit over to bayonet

For example brutal momentum

[civic knot]

What perk do you run on an infantry lasgun?

[noble onyx]

I mean, fair, plasma does have ridiculous cleave, but the helbore has other advantages that make it quite appealing
I do wish cleave was more pronounced on more ranged weapons though, with how many enemies you usually get to fight
Being able to penetrate 2-3 poxwalkers should be a good standard

[dusty sluice]

oh nice

[strange sparrow]

I get why people say Hellbore is strong but it’s not that strong imo

It’s like a gimmicky precision rifle

For a unique playstyle

[noble onyx]

I mean, it can deal with just about any threat and has very good ammo economy, with the tradeoff of being slightly jankier to use

[drifting oak]

there's nothing gimmicky at all about it

it's a ranged weapon that can drill through carapace

but is far more sustainable than plasma gun

what's the gimmick

[strange sparrow]

Charge shot is the gimmick, you take time to learn how to use one

Compared to all other gun

[drifting oak]

vermintide vets are used to having draw on various bow-type weapons

so if anything it's a return to form :V

[strange sparrow]

I mean if you use VT2 as a based

This game is a joke

All the enemy in this game have no quality and they throw quantity at you

[thick rose]

@drifting oak

going so good today. even got a melee build going last game im into it so much XD

[strange sparrow]

Like plague rat in VT2 demand your respect

But DT rager ? Joke

[dusty sluice]

anyone?

[noble onyx]

I remember the times when the game didn't just throw quantity at you
Shame that all kind of went to shit with patch 13 and beyond, enemy quality aside

[strange sparrow]

So is Chaos Knight vs Crusher

CK is actually tanky

[noble onyx]

Remember when they said they buffed enemy health but to compensate there would be fewer spawns?

[strange sparrow]

Crusher is just 2 shot with Psword

[spiral epoch]

should I replace a blessing here?

or keep wrath and roll flak

[strange sparrow]

Savage is better

[noble onyx]

Those are both good blessings, you're better off replacing Unyielding since the Mk 1 Dclaw is only really a horde clearer
But that's just my opinion

[strange sparrow]

Because if you miss Wrath, = stack gone

I would take crits instead of more cleave thou with DClaw

But that’s just me

[noble onyx]

If this was a Mk 4 or 7, other things could be considered
But the Mk 1 is more or less just a horde blender
Unyielding damage isn't really going to shine through

[spiral epoch]

yeah i'm primarily after a hoard clearer

[stone folio]

i dont understand why the devil claw has so many impact based blessings

[noble onyx]

Agreed, it's dumb

[stone folio]

isnt it terrible at impact?

[strange sparrow]

Filler on blessing

So you grind more

[noble onyx]

Meanwhile, some weapons only have 4 blessings

[cloud leaf]

PAUL GANG

[noble onyx]

And most of the time those aren't even that great

[noble onyx]

I'm gonna stick with my answer of replacing unyielding with flak, but feel free to wait for more opinions

[solid gull]

I might make an impact d-claw just for meme value

[noble onyx]

You'll have quite the impact on the team

[solid gull]

:)

[slender turtle]

Developer moment. make a sword have modifiers you don't even use it for

[strange sparrow]

Blessing system is dumb because you can’t remove them if they’re super strong now

[white minnow]

vicious slice moment

[strange sparrow]

You could only nerf it or rework it

[slender turtle]

They could have easily given it knife blessings like lacerate on hit or some of its obviously better blessings

[strange sparrow]

And even by then, it would be better than current roster

[zealous wyvern]

ofc you can remove them

[white minnow]

or blessings specifically for its parry mechanic

[strange sparrow]

Watch as people cry when you remove Pcycler

[white minnow]

since some weapons have blessings that specifically interact with their special

[zealous wyvern]

you can also just nerf cycler

[white minnow]

and dclaw has one of the more unique specials in the game

[old quail]

vicious slice would be fkin awesome if bladed weapons had more hardcore stagger falloff

[noble onyx]

The perks and blessings are mostly awfully designed to begin with
An almost complete lack of creativity for most of the weapons

[white minnow]

😔

[old quail]

(which is a whole other can of worms tbf)

[strange sparrow]

But you couldn’t nerf cycler

Because it’s already 1 charge and 2 charge

[white minnow]

do a patch 12 devastating strike moment and make t3 and t4 both 1 charge

[strange sparrow]

[zealous wyvern]

you can just change charges to per-person-hit

[solid gull]

I’m wondering why there’s no blessings around blocking

[zealous wyvern]

instead of 3 swings

the charge would end after cleaving a certain number of people

[strange sparrow]

That mean the Psword Charge get changed entirely thou

[zealous wyvern]

not really

[strange sparrow]

Which it have a based charge hit per person

[zealous wyvern]

you click button

[old quail]

one day they will find a reason for devstrike to exist

[slate sleet]

there are some ok fun blessings

[zealous wyvern]

you get one swing

[slate sleet]

everyone just sees 50% close range dmg and thinks thats always the best thing to take

[zealous wyvern]

then with blessing you can get %of another

[strange sparrow]

I mean, doesn’t that mean Pcycler is a nerf

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[strange sparrow]

To the basic weapon

[white minnow]

there are ~80 years in my remaining lifespan to experience a devastating strike rework

[zealous wyvern]

i said nerf

[strange sparrow]

So it make it worse?

[zealous wyvern]

yes thats what nerf means

[noble onyx]

Dclaw with Thrust could honestly be a lot more interesting than those shit impact blessings
Thrust in general makes some weapons more interesting to use

[strange sparrow]

So I put a blessing into a weapon to make it worse than base weapon

[old quail]

i think the most fucked up part is i don't know if any weapon that gets devstrike doesn't get a better cleave blessing

[strange sparrow]

[white minnow]

my idea is to make devastating strike play with critical dmg multiplier falloff with multiple targets hit

at the bare minimum

[zealous wyvern]

what

[white minnow]

just to distinguish it from the +cleave% blessings

[zealous wyvern]

i said you get one swing

[old quail]

that would be p interesting

[zealous wyvern]

the base swing is guaranteed

[strange sparrow]

Yea because currently it’s a one swing which hit everything on screen

[zealous wyvern]

no

i said

[strange sparrow]

But the extra one is extra target?

[zealous wyvern]

you get one

[slate sleet]

they need to add blessings that give massive dmg on the last part of a combo or something

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[old quail]

activated psword attacks still have a set cleave amount

[strange sparrow]

You need to understand Psword better

It’s a rework on how Psword function

[zealous wyvern]

no

[noble onyx]

Blessings that mix up your gameplay? Nah, too hard to code
Just give more impact on critical hit

[stuck gorge]

are axes good for vet?

[zealous wyvern]

it just means the charge would be lost midswing if you hit enough targets

after first swing

its just a nerf

[strange sparrow]

Yea it’s a rework to how energized work then because it doesn’t have that function as of time being

[zealous wyvern]

you complained that the 1 2 tier system doesnt allow for nerfs because you cant give less than 1

so make it decimals

[strange sparrow]

Uhhhh

[noble onyx]

Combat axes? Yeah, but brutal momentum is somewhat mandatory on them

[zealous wyvern]

i mean through the hitmass method

not actual decimals

[finite imp]

That's cat whistling 🤣

[stone folio]

funny enough

the dclaw has more stagger then the heavy sword

[strange sparrow]

Because if you do it that way, Bromemtum become a bigger problem

But eh I’m not balance team

[zealous wyvern]

that might be true

[stuck gorge]

im asking because i got a decent roll then fully upgraded it and got this

[zealous wyvern]

but this was never about balance

i was just saying you CAN nerf pcycler

i never said whether you should or not etc

[strange sparrow]

Because Brutal Momentum for this idea have a problem

You could probably chain psword energized in that case

[solid gull]

Boy I miss pre-patch BM

It was just busted

[strange sparrow]

which is a buff?

[noble onyx]

Well I've always heard that the Mk VIII is kind of the black sheep of the combat axes, but you can still give it a shot and see how it goes for you

[stuck gorge]

i assume shred is decent on axe so what should i swap perks to

[zealous wyvern]

no

bm ignores hitmass for momentum

[strange sparrow]

Your "new" energized is based on people hit, Brutal Momentum ignore hitmass so

[zealous wyvern]

not energy of the charge

[stuck gorge]

why is that?

[zealous wyvern]

it doesnt ignore ppl hit

or they wouldnt take dmg

it just doesnt stop swinging

[strange sparrow]

Im super confused on this idea

[zealous wyvern]

so the extra damage would stop but the sword would keep going

why

[noble onyx]

Moveset and some other thing I'm probably forgetting but it's been a long time since I used it myself
The best Caxe is the Rashad Mk II

[strange sparrow]

Psword without Brutal Momentum already did that, Energized stop at one point after too much hitmass
Changing Pcycler to a decimal point that is based on enemy mass would be override by Brutal Momentum because it ignore enemy mass

Which mean you continuously swing until you hit enough enemy that isn't weakspot

[zealous wyvern]

2nd swing, 6 poxwalkers in front of you, your still charged blade cuts through 3 of them dealing energised damage, then hits the 4th with normal damage because the charge ran out

[strange sparrow]

Brutal Momentum stop that

[zealous wyvern]

just dont define it by hitmass

[strange sparrow]

It ignore enemy mass

[zealous wyvern]

then code it as "after damaging x enemies" instead

this is not difficult

the extra dmg would just discharge

like a butter knife running out of butter while gliding across the bread

[strange sparrow]

So Cleave Limit like New Evis?

[zealous wyvern]

tbis has nothing to do with cleave

[strange sparrow]

Im so confused rn

[zealous wyvern]

cleave says how far the weapon travels

charge can be lost before the weapon stops travelling

[thick wolf]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how usable is the shovel™️ in Damnation

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sijEUkZ30IA

[zealous wyvern]

"the first 3 enemies hit take extra damage" but the sword CAN keep going

[strange sparrow]

Please watch this

[zealous wyvern]

why

[noble onyx]

Depending on which shovel you're talking about, between 6 - 9

[strange sparrow]

It provide basic understand of the game rn

[zealous wyvern]

stop splitting my words and think realistically for a moment

[strange sparrow]

like how stuff work in general

[zealous wyvern]

im not talking in code

[thick wolf]

Both Sapper and Munitorium

[zealous wyvern]

im talking in how the weapon concept would work

[stuck gorge]

should i just get the BM VI off the axe?

[thick wolf]

On how usable they are in Damnation

[zealous wyvern]

at this time, there is NO weapon that has a system like what im saying

[noble onyx]

The folding shovels are definitely more usable than the standard munitorium shovel, but both are perfectly viable

[zealous wyvern]

stop trying to look at it from current mechanics

[strange sparrow]

What you're describing right now correlated to some of the mechanics in the game

[thick wolf]

That's what I like to hear

[strange sparrow]

Psword use those mechanics

[noble onyx]

It's still a decently rolled axe, so if you have no other use for it other than getting BM IV, sure?

[thick wolf]

It's very hard to leave the shovel

[strange sparrow]

You can't just strip it and try to dumb it down lmao

[zealous wyvern]

dumb what down

[strange sparrow]

Then say it doesn't work like what Im asking in details

[zealous wyvern]

how it would work in code?

[strange sparrow]

Cleave Target

Meaning you have a cap of how much thing you could damage

[thick wolf]

The amount of crowd control it does is just paramount for survival

[strange sparrow]

New Evis? 4 ? Yea sound about right, so your energized psword from Pcycler hit x amount of target

[thick wolf]

I can't even come back to my combat axe anymore

[zealous wyvern]

i wasnt even trying to talk about code

[strange sparrow]

correct? yea sound bout right

[zealous wyvern]

i was just bringing the concept of how to keep pcycler as a concept while nerfing it

the code is their problem

instead of adding full swings, you add extra damage to x targets hit after first swing

hitmass shouldnt matter for this and im sure you can code in that it doesnt

cleave means how much hitmass your weapon can travel through before the swing stops

this would be a seperate mechanic because the weapon would still lose its extra dmg due to the charge disappearing

and bm ignores the cleave impact on every weakspot killed target

if "first target" counts for each one that is hit in a bm swing, that was a deliberate choice on their side that they dont have to make for this system

after all, bm makes sense to have this effect on first target damage. the momentum is kept and what is damage if not mass times speed

the charge would be depleted by hitting a person, no matter how easy you cut through though

so a different approach is required

i hope this was more detailled

i hate phone typing

[regal belfry]

is it just me or feels deadshot weird

[weak token]

could be u

what do u use deadshot with

[thick rose]

nearlythere

[zealous wyvern]

it gets rid of your stamina do you mean that?

or the actual handling

[thick rose]

its wild seeing lv500+ like seeing a space marine

[zealous wyvern]

i must be 500 by now

[stone folio]

thnx hadron, really nice of you to murder this weapon

[zealous wyvern]

but its spread across 20 characters

[dusty sluice]

messing with the bolter, i seem to always do the least ranged dmg, is that just a bolter moment?

[sullen merlin]

Hm, does the long-bomb achievement work with krak grenades?

[crude ermine]

Any

I think

[sullen merlin]

Does it latching onto an enemy count as "bouncing"?

[crude ermine]

Yes

Because if not I would've gotten it long ago

[sullen merlin]

Ah, gosh darn it.

Unironically, the empty ammo and 90 percent accuracy chievo is easier.

[civic knot]

is the lawbringer shottie any good compared to kantrael?

[umbral scaffold]

ye you'll have to switch to the bleed nades

the krak nade sticking will count as a bounce and make it impssible

it's not that hard n certain maps

just need to rng it

unfortunately

[sterile wadi]

I got it on the one where you gotta put the 3 coolent cells in, just chucked it across the chamber

[thick needle]

What curios do y'all run on Veteran

[crude ermine]

2 toughness and one health

[jolly hemlock]

2 toughness 1x 3 stam

[thick needle]

Iron Will maximizing I assume

[crude ermine]

Yeah

I just go with health cause it's never let me down

[tiny summit]

I got mine at the start of a map. I think it was the start of Hab Dreyko

[thick needle]

I've just been running Toughness, Health, Wound

[jolly hemlock]

wound is so useless in my opion

opinion

[sullen merlin]

Wound is a safety net.

[jolly hemlock]

yea but if you need so many wounds you shoulndt play that difficulty anyways

no offense

[thick needle]

Wound helps me not die after my fuckass zealots let a Hound eat 70% of my toughness

[sullen merlin]

Eh, if its a premade group, i would agree.

But when playing with pubs, its a bit iffy.

Because unless you are the 1% holy shit player, if you get not good players, yeah, problems can arise.

[sterile wadi]

me stuck in a net while everyone looks down at me

[sullen merlin]

Having extra wounds can help at that point.

Especially when you get console players with you.

ughhhh

[thick needle]

The trapper I can usually spot and dodge unless I'm mobbed
The dog I will just not hear until I turn left into a fnaf jumpscare

[jolly hemlock]

common issue below auric

they dont understand unetting takes like half a second

and takes nearly always priority

[stuck gorge]

then they just watch as you get mauled to death by 3 trash enemies

[sterile wadi]

Everytime I'm reloading, she just blines it for me

[jolly hemlock]

but you can also dodge nets

[thick needle]

I learned to play with Ogryn
Saving the punies is embedded in my psyche

[sullen merlin]

The dog isnt as bad as stealth bursters.

[sterile wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[sullen merlin]

Stealth bursers are fun 🙂

[sterile wadi]

I haven't ran into them yet

I have loaded into a game mid poxwalker dive and got thrown off a edge though

[crude ermine]

Sometimes the dog will say fuck it and instantly pounce without preparation

[thick needle]

That's been happening a lot

[crude ermine]

Catches me off guard

Tbh

[stuck gorge]

even more fun when your teammates dont mark the burster and shoot it while its behind you

[thick needle]

It'll just break from running to pounce without pausing

[sullen merlin]

Yesterday i ran to push a burster, only for the Ogryn to shotgun it

[thick needle]

Who tf taught their dog to animation cancel, this shit is wack

[sullen merlin]

Didnt end well

[stuck gorge]

teaching the dog "paw" was too hard for them but this shit isnt???

[lofty tangle]

Okay, I love that we got a scion helmet but... what am I supposed to wear it with? lol

[crude ermine]

That's the thing

No one knows

[civic knot]

Do all the new vet shovels have the same dmg on special attack stab?

[crude ermine]

Because the visible neck makes it look so ugly

[lofty tangle]

I wish they just dropped a full set

I dont even need the helguns I'll run plasma

[sterile wadi]

Dash-dancing dog

[weak token]

dogs instant pouncing without pausing first like its supposed to is very annoying

[sterile wadi]

I've noticed people on videos reload plasma instead of venting at high heat, why do a 9 sec reload instead of venting for a second?

[weak token]

either they're silly, or they're out of combat so it doesnt matter

or they somehow dont have toughness

[strange sparrow]

You can i-frame dogs thou

[weak token]

ye u can

its not that u cant deal with it

[crude ermine]

Or sometimes if you dodge too late the hound will instantly change direction to pounce on you midair

[weak token]

its just sometimes i relax too much cuz its just a dog, and get caught off guard

[crude ermine]

It's why I just prefer shoving

[strange sparrow]

Also DoT (Shredder) is effective against dogs

Any DoT is stupid against dogs

The problem is just the bounce corruption

[umbral scaffold]

The pathways to chaos

[civic knot]

What are the best melee weapons for vet around the board?

[strange sparrow]

Its so stupid that sometime they do instant damage when bounced u

[weak token]

i find that happening all the time, unless i have overtoughness or just some form of toughness dmg reduction

[weak token]

chainsword n combat axe

[civic knot]

Not orestes chainaxe?

[weak token]

i've mixed feelings about the chainaxes

on one hand they're all around handy for all situations

on the other hand, they just arent that fast at clearing stuff

i prefer them on the zealot with martyrdom or momentum

[thick needle]

Chainaxe is good at clearing beefy targets, but they kinda struggle with hordeclear

[civic knot]

and the rashaad is?

[tiny summit]

PS6, Rashad, Shovels. Dclaws if you wanna parry. Knife is fun.

[weak token]

rashad's is manageable with just push attacks, and u only use lights, and their lights one shots 4 chaffs in a go

[weak token]

oh yea i forgot bout shovel

[civic knot]

with brutal momentum? or what do i run on rashaad?

also about shovel

which one is best

[weak token]

brutal momentum + headtaker

[tiny summit]

BM or bust on caxes

[thick needle]

Most people prefer mk3 shovel, I like mk7 because the hordeclear is better

[tiny summit]

All the shovels good. Depends on moveset and if you want the flip

[weak token]

my rashad's pretty reliable all around, my antax is too, i've used them the most on my veteran, they've basically never failed me

[tiny summit]

Isn't mk7 strikedowns?

[thick needle]

Nah, that's mk3

[civic knot]

okay then which shovel is best for single target and does that one hold a candle to the other melee weapons' single target dmg?

[weak token]

as long as its one of the new shovel, they'll be good for single target

[civic knot]

better than rashaad?

[weak token]

i mean u'll only use the special for single targets anyway

[thick needle]

Mk3 is best for single targets, just spam the special and It'll one-shot most things

[weak token]

idk if it'll be better than rashad, but it'll deal more dmg in one go

[sterile wadi]

Isn't there a perk that lets you use the power sword more than one swing at a time?

[thick needle]

Powercycler

[weak token]

yep

[thick needle]

Gives you +2 swings at IV

[weak token]

problem with power sword is usually just the mobility of it

[thick needle]

Powersword is incredibly slow

[sterile wadi]

And how do you get IV, hope it shows up in vendor boy?

[weak token]

and also the fact that u must have power cycler 4 ig, but that's easy to fix generally

[thick needle]

Hits like a garbage truck tho

[weak token]

shows up in melk or just show up as one of the blessings hadron give

[thick needle]

Buy blue swords with over 350 stats and level them to transcendent

[sterile wadi]

[thick needle]

Buying 350 blues and upgrading them is how you farm blessings

[sterile wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

[weak token]

honestly, i would say combat axes are the most versatile weapon here

[wicked zenith]

4 can spawn on greens turning blues. I've got several that way

[weak token]

it deals with everything pretty well regardless of what it is, and still has good mobility

[thick needle]

Usually 2 Quickplay Damnation runs will get you about 1.5 blue-trans weapons

[wicked zenith]

It's more rare but the cost is much lower

[sterile wadi]

In reality I just want a really good knife

[weak token]

qp damnation gives me purple-trans

never got a blue in damnation

[wicked zenith]

Don't focus on a weapon. The Rng on RNG on RNG on RNG will make sure you never get the weapon you want.

[thick needle]

I meant 2 qp damnations get you enough plasteel to upgrade

[weak token]

ah ok

[crude ermine]

This weekend has been nothing but pain in terms of runs

[wicked zenith]

Most groups I've had wipe out (cept myself) on the dual twin spawns

Can't even get to the boss. But then again I keep getting level 25 xboxers too

[crude ermine]

Psyker has been having the worst case of this

You know what I need? Some coffee

[thick needle]

Playing Darktide before noon is always funny because that's when people are like apex toxic for whatever reason

[crude ermine]

That'll help

[strange sparrow]

[sterile wadi]

Why are xbox players bad?

[crude ermine]

Not all but most are uhh

[wicked zenith]

Because they are joinging the hardest mission at level 25?

[strange sparrow]

Can't aim

[crude ermine]

Take it from an Xbox player, interesting

[wicked zenith]

Xbox is trying to ban keyboard and mice mods, for better aiming as Using a keyboard and mouse is "Cheating"

I don't get why crossplay is allowed then with x-bone on anything

[strange sparrow]

I want to just go braindead smite moment

Anyone interested

[crude ermine]

I think they mean in terms of "ximing" as people run keyboard and mouse on console and many say it gives them an advantage

[sterile wadi]

I mean for a coop game like darktide idk why input manners, I'd understand not allowing it for competitive games

[crude ermine]

Against other console players, but that's in terms of PvP

[crude ermine]

The lightning hurts my fingers

[wicked zenith]

I don't get it banning it for games that they named all had Crossplay with pc. It doesn't do anything.

[crude ermine]

I prefer cocaine crystals

[strange sparrow]

Cocaine Crystal build bad

[rancid ginkgo]

just got this as mission reward 💀

[strange sparrow]

Join the 9 seconds smite cult

[wicked zenith]

I never thought I would use this ugly helm I got but it matches the new pc set.

[sterile wadi]

Couldn't you extend that with the middle capstone

[strange sparrow]

Middle one suck in term of smite duration

[sterile wadi]

Then the one that gives you less peril after using ability

[strange sparrow]

im using Warp Siphon version

it's easier, and could be stronger if you took blast whatever

[sterile wadi]

Just theorycrafting the longest possible lightning

[thick needle]

Watching Xbox veterans try to deal with snipers

[crude ermine]

Two kinds of Xbox players

Ones who can shoot snipers

The ones who can't

Snipins a good job mate

[sterile wadi]

Where do rock ogryns usually fall

[wicked zenith]

Why shoot a sniper?

[flint lake]

This why I wear velcro

[wicked zenith]

Just BB it. People shit on BB but 0 aim 0 risk do it behind a wall

[sterile wadi]

^^

Love me pop

[thick needle]

They have no rocks left, kept sending mutants into space

[crude ermine]

I just prefer hurling an alt coke crystal at the sniper, feels quicker

So long as no enemies are in sight

[wicked zenith]

Haven't seen a decent new weapon in months ick

[thick wolf]

that style reminded me of a certain character

[sterile wadi]

Need to make a crystal psyker named Heisenberg

[thick wolf]

but I can't put my finger who

either way how the fuck did you get a blue variant for the long glove option

[crude ermine]

Hmm..dresser..we need to cook

[thick wolf]

the game only has green in the commissary

which is a C R I M E

[sterile wadi]

Hnngh, Thunk, we need to cook.

YES SAH.

[finite imp]

B)

Behold

[wicked zenith]

@thick wolf Who are you talking to about the gloves?

[thick wolf]

yours

[crude ermine]

Run it with Deadshot and it CAN make up for the lack of surgical

[wicked zenith]

@thick wolf It was the pc cosolation prize for not getting 14k aquillas

We got the Mobian sixth armor set for each class

[thick wolf]

oh

[wicked zenith]

The helm is some other thing from twitch

[thick wolf]

damn it, it was limited time

[crude ermine]

Xbox could still get that too if they logged into the PC gamepass version of it

[thick wolf]

gah, I should've bought the game earlier

[sterile wadi]

Man, I hate twitch drops, because I hate twitch

;(

[thick wolf]

I love streaming website content exclusivity

*sarcasm

[wicked zenith]

I don't mind them if they work, but having to watch 10 hours of stream is stupid. Just put it on and go to work

[orchid cargo]

hell ya the emperor's blessing at the end of a damnation mission

power cycler!!!

[wicked zenith]

Never cared for the power sword too bad the damage is trash on that one

[sterile wadi]

10 hours of siphoning resources for something I'm not interested in

Just for a cosmetic I AM

[placid swan]

Returning player, is the x12 still viable with this new Focus talent path?

[jolly hemlock]

power knife when

[thick wolf]

I remember that you need to be on twitch just to get the funny Doomicorn costume in Doom Eternal

[umbral scaffold]

Damn

The weapon customization mod is so good

[sterile wadi]

Instead of twitch drops just do a like.. in game event or something :I

[umbral scaffold]

Having an actual sight on my weapons
Priceless

[sterile wadi]

Complete 10 missions for x reward

Then after that period throw em in the ordo shop

Feel like that might make too much sense though.. gotta lock them behind buggy website drops

[slate sleet]

raking fire moment

[lyric burrow]

very much so, but the 1a is even more so with focus talents letting it hit all the same break points as mk12

[placid swan]

Ahh so the breakpoints have shifted. many thanks.

Perks still focused on maniac and flak with falter/no respite?

[hardy ember]

Hellguns on the way?

[tranquil bronze]

For infantry las, you want headhunter and deadly accurate blessings

[sterile wadi]

You're optimistic

[thick wolf]

I know its supposed to look like a krieg but

alt. history ww1 soldier

[glad scarab]

its supposed to look exactly like that^^

[tranquil bronze]

Isn't that an Armageddon outfit?

[thick wolf]

what do Armageddon outfits look like?

[lusty jetty]

that's how I got PC 4 also, nice surprise

[lusty jetty]

depends on breakpoints but i find Opening Salvo to be slightly more consistent than Deadly Accurate. Not sure if Kantraels get it tho

DA requires both a weakspot and crit

OS just happens, even if recoil hasn't settled and you're firing without it, worst case every other shot is getting +20% power,

and probably lets you hit the same breakpoints DA gives you, but that's all dependent on weapon mark, roll, talents, blah blah

[placid swan]

Opening Salvo was always considered preferrable prior to all these talent changes.Kantraels do get opening salvo.

Although suppression immunity is now in the toilet due to talent tree perks. Unfortunate for gear, but great for overal.

Surprised stagger combo is no longer top of the line. Falter+No respite on the x12.

[jovial aurora]

How bad of a dump stat is penetration?

On zarona. Is 60 percent passable if the rest of the gun is near perfect?

[lusty jetty]

Headhunter and Surgical is also a fantastic combo, hilarious crit rate

[civic knot]

Best blessings for shovel besides decimator?

[thick wolf]

o

I don't know a lot about WH40K, my knowledge on the universe is just cursory at best

[civic knot]

Is the shovel good enough for carapace dmg that the perk is worth running?

[finite imp]

which devils claw would yall say is the best one

[noble onyx]

Mk 4

[finite imp]

ty

[strange sparrow]

Remember Moveset of 1L1H

L spam and H spam is pretty ew

[rancid ginkgo]

the new mk7 is actually pretty good with the special attack

[civic knot]

why not mk 3?

[rancid ginkgo]

mk3 is very bad carapace dmg

[civic knot]

huh?

[rancid ginkgo]

and the special attack is just stagger

[civic knot]

.

@rancid ginkgo

[finite imp]

why does DC have so many impact blessings??

are they even worth using??

[rancid ginkgo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shovel/munitorum-mk-vii-sapper-shovel

this is the one he was refering to

[noble onyx]

No

[thick wolf]

I think what bogs down the VII a bit for its spike attack is that

it takes slightly longer for the shovel to deattach itself from the enemy if it doesn't kill them outright

whereas the III is just almost instantaneous

[rancid ginkgo]

yes but the heavy spam of it is insane CC

[thick wolf]

otherwise I still prefer VII

[thick needle]

Why am I being snitched on what kinda inquisition shit is this

[rancid ginkgo]

imo mk VII is the overall better choice

amazing CC, great armor pen with the special

mk III heavies are strikedown

im pretty sure

[civic knot]

this tbh

[thick wolf]

also I've been thinking of lugging around with smoke grenades for either Heresy or Damnation

but Krak is just too damn useful

[noble onyx]

But why

[rancid ginkgo]

im a shredder nade enjoyer

[thick wolf]

I see charger, I have to yeet a krak

[rancid ginkgo]

so good

[civic knot]

the second heavy is

[noble onyx]

'Luv me shredder frag grenades

[crude ermine]

I'm a heretic head thrower enjoyed

[noble onyx]

Bleed everything to death

[crude ermine]

Stuff the head with a grenade

Toss it

[rancid ginkgo]

also amazing stagger

[thick wolf]

shredder grenades looks appealing but

I just want that crusher dead asap

[rancid ginkgo]

great to throw down at your feet in a pinch

[thick wolf]

and the bosses

[lusty jetty]

Ohhhh man I used to be a Krak guy

[noble onyx]

And still decent damage against hordes of crushers

[rancid ginkgo]

yup

[hardy ember]

Hellguns on the way?

[lusty jetty]

Shredder is GOAT

Ultimate based nade

Drop 2 of them on a HISTG pack

Then watch your name show up 20 times

[sterile wadi]

Hellguns on the way?

[lusty jetty]

Then because you took Demo Team you get 2 back

[noble onyx]

I tried out Kraks for a short time when they released, but I just find the AoE to be a tad too small for it to compete with shredders that destroy everything

[thick wolf]

Krak is mainly for armored dudes, crushers and bosses

which given how the game loves spamming a crusher regiment on your ass

you're gonna fuckin need it

[umbral scaffold]

Probably because it straight up deletes the armored enemy

So they balanced it by having the aoe be non-existent otherwise

[noble onyx]

Well the problem is that usually you'll only kill 1-2 crushers with a krak while shredders will really let you dominate a patrol of them + other enemies

[umbral scaffold]

Kraks solve a specific problem

[placid swan]

Surgical on x12, hrm... Will have to check that out, thanks.

[umbral scaffold]

Shredder gives you so much more utility though

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

But it's why it's just a load out thing

imo

[noble onyx]

If they reduced the spam of elites, I could see the krak making it more into my kits, but with how there can be 4+ Crushers (and on the flipside, 15 Ragers) charging at you, I'm not taking those chances

[umbral scaffold]

If you're rocking claw+ an autogun or a lasgun

You need Krak

[noble onyx]

Oh for sure, but I always try to pick a mix of anti-armor and anti-everything else because I'm not going to let randoms decide whether I live or die

I wish they would genuinely rebalance things so that Elites are quality over quantity, and not just upping their health again.

[thick wolf]

my current volley fire be like

"holy shit that's a lot of ranged people"

"must kill"

[noble onyx]

Ironically if they reduce the count of elites again, Veteran would lose power as there would be less toughness, ammo and grenade generation

[odd sparrow]

would just wish it did hordes of elites less(IE 10 crushers, ragers, bulwarks etc.)

[abstract moth]

Guys serious talk, what do you do when you're engulfed by hordes but doing okay killing them then trappers come without sound cue and you can't dodge because of the mass of meat around you

[placid swan]

Grenade

[umbral scaffold]

same

[odd sparrow]

grenade, voice of command. If im using revolver you can shoot through horde somewhat

[barren cave]

you shoot the trapper and probably tank some horde hits in the process, or pull out a nade, insta create space and then deal with with trapper

[noble onyx]

Well uh.. First advice, don't overextend yourself to the point that you're completely surrounded by enemies, always try to create a channel
Ease of this strategy may depend on your teammates

[placid swan]

Make sure to toss it as opposed to throwing it so it doesnt go off somewhere not helpful

[abstract moth]

But what if you dont have them grandes or push back abilities?

[placid swan]

Pray

[noble onyx]

Shove and dodge slide like your life depends on it, if you can't kill the Trapper before they shoot

Dodge sliding breaks the tracking on a lot of things, even Poxwalkers right in front of you

[abstract moth]

No you'll die by getting hit by so many grunts I tired, I guess that'll work with ogryn tho

[abstract moth]

I said you're surrounded by hordes

[placid swan]

If you're getting dropped that quick by a mob, I'd assume you're playing 4-5haz. In that case, I'll echo what Gramstaal said about overextending.

[barren cave]

It do take some chip dmg when I have to risk that, but if you're just fighting a horde, its free toughness replenishment, but yeah, you can straight up die if you take too many hits or dont have enough health/toughness already

[tiny summit]

Dev note: +2 crushers whenever 1 spawns

[tiny summit]

Positioning

[noble onyx]

Doesn't matter. Learn to shove and dodge slide. Unless there are Crushers, Bulwarks, Maulers and Ragers 360° around you, shoving and dodge sliding will allow you to create space.

[abstract moth]

Playing high intensity damnation, just I love messing with hordes melee and the like then trapped comes in and ruins the fun with no sound cue mind you

[barren cave]

also, if your literally bodied by a horde so hard on all sides you dont have space because of bad positioning, then block push a couple of times so you have some room to deal with specialists and reposition

[tiny summit]

We do too. But mess with them responsibly

[noble onyx]

It's really just a matter of experience. With proper positioning, shoving and dodging/dodge sliding (and with some cover, if there are Gunners/Reapers), you can be nearly untouchable.

[tiny summit]

It's like psykers using DS4 against crusher parties. You can do it. It's satisfying. But dodging and positioning are the important parts

[abstract moth]

How if I'm surrounded by dozen of them, got teammates down and only one guy was keeping up, we got both killed because of trappers

Imagine hab dreko final stand

[noble onyx]

Even as a lone person alive you can use positioning to your advantage.

[placid swan]

I leave hordes for classes more equipped. Same respect zealot-bros and ogryn-bros pay the veteran. As a Vet Im reaching out and removing snipers/gunners/reapers from play while they remove hordes/close-ranged from play and keep my immediate living space clear so I can conduct the forementioned duties.

[tiny summit]

Sounds like good positioning could've prevented the situation. You asked about what you do. It's best to minimize risk being in the situation

[noble onyx]

It's just a matter of learning how to handle it, noticing your own weaknesses and adjusting your kit accordingly.
Hordes got you all tangled up? Shout and frag grenades might help you more than exec stance and kraks.

[tiny summit]

Exe for life and bayonet.

[lusty jetty]

What personality yells NOT ONE STEP BACK / IF YOU CAN BREATHE YOU CAN KILL / CLOSE, KILL, THEN DO IT AGAIN

I like my Professional but

[noble onyx]

Cadian

[stuck gorge]

Cuthroat

[abstract moth]

Yeah I asked what to do but obviously got obvious answers, I said what to do when engulfed by hordes can't position well if I'm killing one side and the comes enemies from the others 3 sides

[noble onyx]

His name is Cadia, his age is Cadia, his personality is Cadian

[lusty jetty]

Gonna make a new vet

[barren cave]

dont forget, " I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM"

[noble onyx]

Respectfully, skill issue.

[abstract moth]

Ik but what if you dont have that atm?

[lusty jetty]

I'll have my Professional smooth operator running the Vraks VII then this unhinged degenerate with a shotgun and a shovel

[finite imp]

cut throat

[tiny summit]

Well the others did say to push and make space and reposition. What else do you want us to say if you literally can't move w/o making space vs a trapper?

[noble onyx]

I told you already, you'll just have to dodge and shove as much as possible to get yourself into a more favourable position.

[abstract moth]

Right talks the ones who says easy getaway abilities and obvious answers

[tiny summit]

It's like dawg you got checkmated unless you can shove and make space

[cedar horizon]

what are good Curio stats for Veteran these days?
I've been running pure Toughness since like, 4ever and been working fine.
But maybe it could be "better".

I'm running a mix of left/middle talent tree.

[noble onyx]

I've literally stood in hordes dodging and shoving around taking no damage. Just learn to do that or die.

[hardy ember]

Ammo aura is mandatory right?

[noble onyx]

More or less, yeah.

[abstract moth]

Idk that's why I asked maybe someone had a secret ta tactic or something kek

[tiny summit]

Pretty much just toughness for me. Sometimes maybe a stam. Toughness good.

[noble onyx]

The tactic is to either practice or take something with you that can deal with the situation. There's no cheat code.

[tiny summit]

No. Nice to have and is the easy option but isn't mando

[barren cave]

triple toughness is good on all vets afaik

[abstract moth]

The problem ain't that like I wrote, Is the tapper, maybe read more carefully?

[cedar horizon]

I'm running Auric Damn and like I said, it's been going fine so far.
just came to mind recently that vet lost their 200 base Toughness some time ago and I had just forgotten about it.
so thought that maybe there's a more updated set of Curio's since for Vets.

[tiny summit]

All toughness curios good when even the lowly poxwalker is a free box of toughness

[noble onyx]

Well then you've already failed if you let the trapper close enough and you're not willing to dodge around.

[abstract moth]

How if you get no sound cue and you're into an assault

[noble onyx]

Situational awareness, I often look around even if I didn't hear anything beforehand

[torpid sundial]

oh hey randomly got this

[noble onyx]

Sniper not in sound range but maybe already running around somewhere? I'll try to kill him before the laser even appears.

[torpid sundial]

262 ranged damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/512688851320569906.webp?size=48&name=aquaSmug&quality=lossless

[tiny summit]

Toughness is just the easiest because if you don't run wounds, just means more toughness for DR, along with more toughness margin for Iron Will. You have many bursts of toughness regen. Your base health isn't great to use health curios. Stam is OK. Curios really are the most boring part of a loadout

[abstract moth]

Did I say surrounded by hordes? You don't see the trapper among them

[torpid sundial]

wow emperor blessed me with decent blessings but shit base and perks

[sterile wadi]

Isn't the trapper taller and also covered in orange / red lights?

[cedar horizon]

what I was most disappointed about Curious at the very begining was that they didn't show up on the character like trinkets. ^^

[noble onyx]

Even surrounded by hordes you can see visual cues. Just chalk it up to bad luck and learning from the experience, then adjusting your kit to be better prepared for such a situation.

[torpid sundial]

The more I play helbore 3 the more I like it

[abstract moth]

Is the size of a tall poxwalker and more chunky but yeah can't see the lights and all if she shoots through the horde

[tiny summit]

That would neat if they were a optional cosmetic to wear. One thing that annoys me is that all the curio stats are so boring. There's nothing unique about curios or curios between classes. Be cool if curios could have exclusive bonuses to synergize with class tree more

[torpid sundial]

I'd like for curios to have more interesting blessings/perks

[cedar horizon]

that would be pretty darn neat.
would also add to the "grind for gear" aspect of the game.

[noble onyx]

I wish Curios, Perks and Blessings were less boring. Just having a bit more of everything is both a problem to balance and often makes it feel like some options are strictly inferior. Why have a blessing that increases your reload speed by 20% in a specific scenario if you could just deal.. 20% more damage?

[torpid sundial]

and blessings/perks would make the curio look/shine different in color, which then shows up on your character as a necklace or trinket on the belt or something

[abstract moth]

You literally can't that's why I asked, and again I said if you don't have that stuff or a teammate to help you out with those

[terse idol]

It's too difficult I'd imagine because of the different skins

[lusty jetty]

I'd love Blessings to be slightly more interesting

[tiny summit]

To make it look good with a bolter

[lusty jetty]

Like Diablo 3 runes and itemization, how items would fundamentally change how skills worked

[finite imp]

Need mod to make my vet do the orange justice at the end of every game

[tiny summit]

Thanks Fatshark for 1% reload speed per MF stack

[noble onyx]

Then if the situation was impossible to resolve, why even bother arguing about it?
We could spend hours talking about ifs and buts, what happened has happened.
If you're not willing to learn from it, well too bad.

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say the thing but diablo 3 wasn't in depth at all

[torpid sundial]

Think I can hit an onslaught or surgical 4 here? :^)

[lusty jetty]

I only run MF and literally didn't know it did that til a week ago lmao

[terse idol]

Items were

So

[lusty jetty]

Of course it wasn't deep at all

[tiny summit]

Base MF enjoyer

[sterile wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-blessing-blessed-bless-gif-25991585

[terse idol]

So garbage in diablo 3 because there was so many % of a stat that it was meaningless

Overencumbered even

[tiny summit]

Pull the lever. No balls

[lusty jetty]

But legendary effects made skills super fun and interesting

[terse idol]

Kinda?

I'm just stuck in the negative of db3

[lusty jetty]

It got formulaic after awhile but it was good fun when loot2.0 dropped

[noble onyx]

I'm just gonna say this, there is absolutely no damage that is necessary to take in this game. None. All of it can be avoided, it just depends on how.

[terse idol]

Because at the end of the day so many things worked

[tiny summit]

2 perks kinda ass though. Flak is really only gonna help with flak ragers

[finite imp]

What mod lets you rename weapons

[terse idol]

when the gunner shoots you and shaves 5 toughness

[noble onyx]

Well I meant more in regards to HP damage but yes
Damn those Gunners, ruining my no damage any%

[abstract moth]

It was not impossible to resolve me and the guy stood so much time against it while thr others 2 kept dying, I wanted to know if ther was another approach like the other guy said, there's none. I continued with you just to see how much more obvious and self absorbed your were going to be

[noble onyx]

Disrespectfully, skill issue.
Upload a video if you're so sure about that being a losing situation.

[tiny summit]

Yea but I'm bad and lazy.

Though sometimes I'll go like 75% of the match basically no dmg and then shit hits the fan

[sterile wadi]

Being 1mm too close to a barrel

[tiny summit]

Pretty sure the weapon customization mod

[abstract moth]

And again, talks the guy with easy getaway abilities and obvious answers

[noble onyx]

Or maybe you're just not willing to accept that you messed up by not learning how to shove and dodge your way out of a horde into a better position?

If the answer is so obvious, why didn't you do it?

[finite imp]

Brother you're getting into delusional territory now

[abstract moth]

You literally can't do it with so many mobs around you, and the problem was the trapper only, you keep saying other stuff that dont answer my question

[abstract moth]

I just asked what to do against trapper in that situation, the one guy simply said there's none aside that to do, while the other kept being mister duh

[finite imp]

Sometimes rng fucks you sometimes you choke. If you came here for vindication and didn't expect to get told skill issue idk what to tell you

You're not the first and won't be the last

[pastel geode]

Drip check

[noble onyx]

I told you what to do against the Trapper. Make space and dodge. The Trapper will then run away, giving you another shot to kill it later.
If you think that dodging the net in that situation is impossible, it is entirely possible.

[abstract moth]

No I wanted to see if there was another way I want to hear other people thoughts I'm not that petty

[noble onyx]

What other way are you expecting if you have no shout, no frag grenade and no gun with cleave that you can pull out quickly to shoot the trapper?

[finite imp]

Well you got other peoples thoughts lol

[noble onyx]

If you can't shoot the trapper, dodge it. Shove as much as possible before dodging if you have to. The shove is omnidirectional.

[finite imp]

It sounds like you just didn't bring an answer to a commonly occuring problem which is...well skill issue

[sterile wadi]

I have the solution to your problem Lupus

[finite imp]

Voc is an amazing panic switch and I'd recommend it

[noble onyx]

Dodge perpendicular from where you hear the Trapper charge the net.

[abstract moth]

No is literally impossible because the dodge wont get you anywhere when you surrounded so it's useless, then I said you don't know there's s trapper and hear no sound cue even just shoots you through the horde

[finite imp]

Voc

Ja

Js

[noble onyx]

Then, my final answer, I will no longer respond to you:
Skill issue. Try harder next time and take something with you that can deal with it.

[sterile wadi]

Pull your ethernet cord as soon as you get netted, you'll get replaced by a bot, replug it in and you'll rejoin as a player, then there's no net or horde

[finite imp]

You'll also get bullied by the lobby for doing that

[abstract moth]

True, didn't expect anything new but hey it was worth a try

[finite imp]

Wait. You didn't expect anything new

[sterile wadi]

It's a solution to the unsolvable problem

[finite imp]

Your vectors for problem solving are enigmatic

I like your style

You should try knife

[sterile wadi]

[finite imp]

Knife is good knife is great

Knife is full of joy

[tiny summit]

Why he said make space and dodge. What are we supposed to say if you are say "immediately surrounded, stamina drained, no LOS on trapper, and then netted". Like nothing. Nothing we can say besides either shove and make space, shoot the trapper, have VoC/Infiltrate or prevent being in that situation on the first place

[finite imp]

I'm knifemaxxing all day long

[pastel geode]

If you can’t isolate the obvious sounds the trapper makes then you’re never gonna solve it.

[finite imp]

Hey guys I want to use a Phillips head on a flathead screw any advice?

[abstract moth]

If I get called you play like a god by pc players and you're good but you gotta help us keeping us alive by pc players I think I'm decent. I don't care about bolstering, Is the fool's idea of glory after all

[noble charm]

nexus mods > spidey sense

[elder dawn]

the real answer is why are you in that position in the first place

[sterile wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/letobrak-toprak-deniz-mete-postaldude-gif-21024851

[elder dawn]

and/or git gud

[noble charm]

Mine gives me visual cues for hounds, trappers, bombers, and mutants

[noble onyx]

All he is looking for is validation in the fact that he thinks it was an impossible situation, and that there was nothing he could've done.

[placid swan]

I think its a troll. Polls the audience, hates everything the audience says, proceeds to flame the audience.

[abstract moth]

Hahah I see so many people do that

[finite imp]

Yes. Exactly

He doesn't want an actual answer he's seeking vindication

[tiny summit]

The sound so far to me isn't completely fucked where I don't know when a trapper is around. It's only fucked for me at times when the trapper makes its sound for firing near me.

[finite imp]

It's ok to just vent brother

[sterile wadi]

I stubbed my toe first thing this morning

[placid swan]

Did you try dodge shoving?

[noble onyx]

Also, the sounds are definitely screwed in-game, but I found that switching the presets makes it less fucked
The headphones preset is broken from what I've experienced

[finite imp]

Skill issue bitch

[elder dawn]

love when the game puts two trappers with one 3 feet behind the other so you dodge the first net but not the second

[tiny summit]

This game is taking too much time away from other games

[noble onyx]

I wish I had a stubber on my toe

[abstract moth]

That's the thing it didn't appear in the rucks like those sneaky crushers sometimes

[sterile wadi]

I unplugged the ethernet cord and still took toughness damage (I cried a little)

[clever wedge]

I'm so much squishier than I remember lol.

[placid swan]

Clearly a skill issue 🤣

[tiny summit]

End of ascension. Director had it out for us at the end. Opening the door and 4 trappers and a dog walk out the door behind us. We killed them but damn director.

[clever wedge]

...Oh. I guess one of the updates reset my talent tree

[noble onyx]

Guys why do I get hit by Poxwalkers even when I'm not at my PC and riding my bicycle

[pastel geode]

Director love to throw hands nowadays

[elder dawn]

the best thing in this game is dodging trapper nets so they hit your team instead Darktide pvp

[eternal sable]

why is pen a dump stat on knife

[abstract moth]

No you're that one who said Is impossible, never said it was, if we had the full group it wasn't hard to handle

[noble onyx]

Darktide PvP is great: Barrels, trappers, bombers, flamers, mutants, dogs, snipers

[finite imp]

It's not

[noble onyx]

..English isn't your strength, is it.

[strange sparrow]

Look it doesnt matter

Sometime you win

sometime you lose