veteran-class

[terse idol]

Get doooown

[lusty jetty]

I'm a massive Vraks VII fan, this is entirely viable and you could run it forever without needing to update it, no real missed opportunity

I personally prefer Surgical + Headhunter for max crits or Surgical + Opening Salvo as it's a little more consistent IME than Deadly Accurate

It is nice having one where you can swap out at least one blessing to see what you prefer best, but that's splitting hairs really

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-7304264

[empty root]

whats the big difference which is better

[zealous wyvern]

i think 1a deals more dmg but shoots slower

[empty root]

and what happened to XII it used to be top dog

[zealous wyvern]

12 deals the most damage per shot but shoots so slow its not worth it for breakpoints i think?

[lusty jetty]

1a is a slight damage dropoff for substantially better fire rate

12 is still good

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

but 1a is better at what it does

at least that is what the people say

[empty root]

so 1a being the middle of the pack

[lusty jetty]

Compare the attack breakdowns

[terse idol]

12 is power crept

[lusty jetty]

Then play around with one of each and see what one feels best for you

[terse idol]

Because its only doing 30-40 damage above the Ia

And has a lower fire rate

Dps is lower

[zealous wyvern]

1a is the new king of the lasgun heavy hitter rifles

it does what 12 does but does everything else better

thats the impression i get

[terse idol]

I do however use the MXII because I just like the restricted fire rate

[zealous wyvern]

4 is if you want a faster gun which you dont

youre going for crits

i assume you want to aim

[terse idol]

Iirc 4 is just a better recon if you take the full auto mod

[zealous wyvern]

so 1a or 12 for that

[terse idol]

It gets a little wacky if I recall

I gotta test it again but iirc the 4 will fire as fast as you can fire

[lusty jetty]

The problem with all the Kantrael variants is that the Vraks VII exists

[junior needle]

You don't need to aim (well) for crits 🤓

[terse idol]

Smaller mag size L

Also what the fuck

[empty root]

honestly in the psykaerium the IV feels the best

[terse idol]

And I know

Why doesn't this gun have Illuminated irons

Its literally impossible to see the little iron sight in the fucking dark of 99% of these maps

[terse idol]

Yes!

That's rhe perfect way to put it, it's weird

[empty root]

it stacks brittleness quicker with onslaught talent

recon has much higher dps though

[terse idol]

I hope you're gonna say /j

[empty root]

the recon shooting at crushers head is 800-900 dps and the 1a does 700-800 dps

IV is 500-600 dps

whats wrong with recons? do they just use too much ammo?

[hollow ibex]

two problems, ammo, and columnus iag exists

[zealous wyvern]

vraks doesnt have the same ammo as lasguns

sirosky put it perfectly

columnus is literally the better recon

the only thing that doesnt apply is lasgun ammo recovery which you dont need for columnus as long as you dont spray into chaff

[empty root]

well I dont have a good columnus right now so im upgrading the 1a

[timber phoenix]

Heresy is where all the absolute filth of the game are. Damnation is heaven in comparison player base wise

I swear i get more CoD lobby kids and rage filled tryhard shitboots on heresy than i do in damnation

[empty root]

and damnation auric is better than damnation'

[timber phoenix]

It’s alright i powersword crutch anyway

Lay it on me

[zealous wyvern]

damnation is good. mauric t5 sounds horrible from all the crybabies i see in here

if you mess up in mauric, you WILL get flamed regularly

i think damnation is probably the best environment socially

ofc if youre amazing at the game mauric might be best for you if you are not happy when your team isnt as good as you

[timber phoenix]

I’ve had the opposite experience. Most peeps i play mauric t5 with get that all it takes is a split second and the entire team is wiped. I’ve only seen people get shit on when someone shoots at a barrel that insta-kills one or more people

[finite imp]

KNIFE IS GOOD KNIFE IS FULL OF JOY

[drowsy kayak]

knife propagandaaa

[raw steppe]

No way lol

Ppl are way more chill

[drowsy kayak]

knife is fun, I love becoming a walking blender

[raw steppe]

In aurics

Nobody gets mad if you fuck uo

And people very often solo clutch

[zealous wyvern]

i hope you are right

[raw steppe]

Everyone is so chill

[zealous wyvern]

i hear a lot of crying from mauric

[raw steppe]

What

[drowsy kayak]

I usually stay in Damnation yeah, I have popped into Damnation Auric on occation for contract stuff

[raw steppe]

Where do u hear it from

[zealous wyvern]

here

[raw steppe]

Lol

Ppl here play heresy

[drowsy kayak]

I tried Maelstrom Auric... once

[raw steppe]

If u actully play aurics theyre super chill

[zealous wyvern]

no i mean the ppl playing mauric

[raw steppe]

They dont lol

[zealous wyvern]

good

[raw steppe]

They say they play auric

[austere jolt]

Mauric is where people who think they're good tend to hang out. Damnation is where the good players actually are. So, with everyone high skill and ready, you don't typically hear a lot of whining.

[zealous wyvern]

they do

[raw steppe]

But they actually play malice and heresy

[north peak]

coming back from auric to help a friend leveling up and seeing the enemy density from lower diff is mind boggling

[raw steppe]

No they dont lmao

[zealous wyvern]

so they are all liars

[raw steppe]

Yes

They are

[zealous wyvern]

i doubt that

[raw steppe]

Why wouldnt u doubt randos in discord

Who say theyre good

LOL

Go try aurics yourself

And see if u get raged at

[zealous wyvern]

because its not rare to be good enough to beat mauric

[austere jolt]

I went from playing Damnation Aurics on my Psyker to leveling a Veteran (mind you, the Pysker was all I ever played in Darktide) and I was flabbergasted.

[zealous wyvern]

so i have no need to doubt

[raw steppe]

Nobody is toxic in aurics lmao

[north peak]

shit feels like a ghost town lmao

[fierce steeple]

Ive played many an auric, only once did i have some nerd rage, and the dude was drunk af

[zealous wyvern]

good

[raw steppe]

I've never had a toxic experience in like

A year

[zealous wyvern]

well i have only met 3 toxic ppl in dt to date

but i see it sometimes in here

i dont play mauric though

[fierce steeple]

I see it mainly in the forums. lotta gatekeepers and elitists

[zealous wyvern]

yeah lots of talking

very rude people

good pfp. ill go rest now

[timber phoenix]

With all that said i still don’t have a damnation usable (not good) recon lasgun blessing/perks list

[zealous wyvern]

headhunter dumdum

maniac flak

[timber phoenix]

Wuh is that really it

[zealous wyvern]

i think you need the 6 model

[austere jolt]

The most I've ever heard said about myself was in a Damnation game last night where someone had never seen a sniper veteran before and went "This dude is sniping with an autogun...but it's working, so hell yeah brother."

[fierce steeple]

recon las is kinda mid for harder difficulties, it got over nerfed not long ago

[zealous wyvern]

but am not sure

[austere jolt]

The toxicity was crazy

[zealous wyvern]

recon not good now

[austere jolt]

[timber phoenix]

Ye im aware of this but i have a penchant for punishment

[zealous wyvern]

but that is the best @junior needle got

iirc

[timber phoenix]

So mk vid right

I’ll see what i can whip up in crafting, big thanks

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[fierce steeple]

when i do run mine, I have infernus 4 and the enhanced crit chance blessing, I cant remember which one, but its fun when im not playing seriously

[zealous wyvern]

you dont want the fastest shooting nor the slowest i think

[junior needle]

6d, 5% crit and either flak or maniac (or just flak/maniac perks), then headhunter and either infernus or dumdum depending on your preference.

[timber phoenix]

Infernus instead of headhunter?

Oh

Infernus instead of dum dum

[junior needle]

HH is mandatory

[fierce steeple]

infernus adds DoT which is nice

[zealous wyvern]

infernus was said to be a meme

[fierce steeple]

infernus used to be disgusting. now its just alright

[zealous wyvern]

anyone i ever see that likes infernus at the same time tells you its kinda bad and a meme until now

[fierce steeple]

when this game first came out infernus was so ungodly broken it was hilarious. recon lasguns melting everything in mere seconds

[zealous wyvern]

dumdum seems like a more natural choice

doesnt it stack dmg per shot?

perfect for automatics

[fierce steeple]

i think it maxes out at like 15 stacks or something now

[zealous wyvern]

per target though right?

[fierce steeple]

yah

[zealous wyvern]

sounds like a good choice

[fierce steeple]

I recently jumped on the BAG hype train. I finally made a good one and on my generalist class it just melts everything without any specific damage talents selected

[zealous wyvern]

i tried infernus in meatgrinder and felt it was horrible

[junior needle]

It's bad against most targets

[zealous wyvern]

bag is a good gun

[junior needle]

But it adds 200-400 dps depending on the target and leaving things burning can be nice qol if you can't finish some things off.

[fierce steeple]

if u take recon lasgun youre kinda forced into taking krak I feel in order to compensate for lack of armor pen.

[junior needle]

Yeah, mediocre blessing though

You go double rending on all recons anyway

So you have armor damage

[zealous wyvern]

is your korps misspelled because you reached the character limit?

[fierce steeple]

no I just left off the s

[zealous wyvern]

the s is part of the word

[junior needle]

The ammo usage for them isn't great but it's damage

[zealous wyvern]

if you mean to spell it right i mean

just saying

unless im just wrong but id be surprised

[fierce steeple]

Death Korps profile name was taken when I made my account. I havent edited the name since adding on the FS code for mm

[zealous wyvern]

ah

[zenith hinge]

Onslaught passive

[placid portal]

An Axe

[empty root]

is it just me or marksman focus is awful

[placid portal]

Try it with an autogun

you just shoot head height and max stacks in a short burst

[empty root]

but losing them on moving sucks

would be nice if they were just timed

[placid portal]

yea but it's rather easy to build up once you start shooting which is also a nice touch

*also crab walking don't reduce the stacks

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-lmao-lmfao-wtf-creepy-gif-4690411

[strange sparrow]

Yea the only good thing about Autogun and MF stack

Hope MF stack get a buff soon

[placid portal]

I think it should behave differently with the weapon type tbh

Automatic weapons perform extremely well with MF

[strange sparrow]

Not on a damage scale

[placid portal]

it's finesse, and Autoguns have insane finesse modifier

[strange sparrow]

I tested that out

It’s not that insane

The amount of bonus it gave comparatively isn’t that much (FT) until you run Crit build with >40% Crit chance

The thing about FT is it buff base damage which buff weakspot damage better

The only unique thing that MF gave is the Toughness replenishment, which work not the same as ogyrn

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[finite imp]

Depends on what you define INSANE as

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

KNIFE

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

Knife

[tranquil bronze]

KNIFE

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

KNIIIIFE

[tranquil bronze]

KNIFE THE HERETIC

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/knives-out-movie-title-titles-movie-titles-gif-15093980

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[finite imp]

For harambe

[finite imp]

???

I just came here to chat about knives

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

Chant*

[umbral scaffold]

kniiife

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

KNIFE KNIFE IT COME WITH JOY IT BRING YOU JOY IT MULCHES THE ENEMIES

IM RUNNING FAST IM RUNNING HARD MY FEET ARE SLAPPING THE FLOOR THERE IS DROOL FLYING OUT OF MY MOUTH AND THIS CRUSHER IS ABOUT TO FEEL THE FRESH AIR OF THE OUTDOORS THROUGH HIS FACE PLATE

WHUHSTAB

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[strange sparrow]

Knife is for people that want to run ultra fast

I recently have a game with ultra crack zealot knife

Clutch a game that was destined to fail

[finite imp]

I LIKE TO LINE RIGID MOLECULES UP AND APPLY FORCE TO THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY DECONTRUCT AND FORCE APART MOLCULAR BONDS IN AN ACCELERATED VIOLENT MANNER

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[strange sparrow]

Shotgun is alright

[finite imp]

Go get the slug shotgun

[strange sparrow]

You need bandaid

[finite imp]

The fire one is meh

[junior needle]

based

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[junior needle]

Slug shotgun is just worse revolver

[finite imp]

You have gigs of data

[left zephyr]

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[strange sparrow]

https://youtu.be/fb_48nsnnZA?si=ukhM2SyD4rXi0ESl

[finite imp]

Problem is most of it is about knives now

[strange sparrow]

It’s kinda old but it’s not that bad of a video

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[finite imp]

And like 2kb is on shotguns

Listen friendo

Get the slug shotgun

[strange sparrow]

Blessing + talent yes but general gameplay function is there

[finite imp]

Then realize the revolver is better

Don't worry. You all will become me one day AHAHAHAHA

YOULL ALL BE MEEEE

KNIFE

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[strange sparrow]

I saw people make shotgun work in my auric game

[junior needle]

Technically more ammo but

[finite imp]

That's cool

[junior needle]

Way less efficient killing

[strange sparrow]

You just chokepoint blast pox

[finite imp]

Go get the slug shotgun

Put flaniac on it

[left zephyr]

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[finite imp]

Then put scattershot and full bore on it

Watch as your shotgun deletes torsos

[left zephyr]

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[strange sparrow]

Play whatever you like my man

Darktide isn’t a super intensive META gaming game rn

[finite imp]

Yeah you have the same groove forming in your brain with shotguns as I do with 🔪

[strange sparrow]

Except recon

That shit wack af

[finite imp]

Soon it will become a CRAG and then a TRENCH

and you will fill that trench with millions of heretics

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[finite imp]

STRONGER THAN YOU THINK DAD

STRONGER THAN YOU THINK

[gloomy sigil]

Can anyone help complete an overwatch penance?

[finite imp]

You mean the one where you don't get bonked on malice?

[gloomy sigil]

Yes

Pain in the ass it is

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[finite imp]

Your chances of completing that are like 90% you

[gloomy sigil]

K thinks

[finite imp]

Best players in the world can't make you invincible

[gloomy sigil]

But it's all ways good to ask for help at times

[junior grail]

Try the lfg channel, surely there's ppl there to help

[finite imp]

I'm just saying your chances are better off to just keep trying in malice rather than try to gather a team. And if you're looking to do that #vox-lfg-nasa

Malice is really not that bad

Especially if you can get a low intensity

[gloomy sigil]

True

[finite imp]

I did it with random pubbies by accident and I realized it was time for me to graduate to heresy

[junior grail]

Everyone plays their own way, I've friends who rather chill and enjoy the atmosphere than go for the highest most intense games

[tall torrent]

U could try Karnak twins

[finite imp]

Now I've been doing damnation for over a year now

[tall torrent]

Get a friend with taunt Ogryn

[junior grail]

Problem is I have a plasteel addiction

[tall torrent]

Use infiltrate

[finite imp]

And I've completely lost my mind

[gloomy sigil]

Haven't thought of that at all

[finite imp]

That's actually not a shabby idea

Karnak twins on malice is snooze town

[junior grail]

Double Infiltrate with Low Profile

[tall torrent]

U don’t need low profile, just 2 charges

[finite imp]

I'm getting up for koolaid I'm taking the dog for a walk

[junior grail]

Just don't smoke hahaha

[tall torrent]

Get stamina regen and block efficiency

[finite imp]

I'm getting Chinese food it comes with egg roll

It comes with egg roll

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[finite imp]

Mortifying imagery.

What will slaanesh think of next

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[finite imp]

TFW you look into the reflection of your fav knife

[junior grail]

I'd like some egg rolls

[strange sparrow]

Slanesh probably is the worst chaos god

Like weakest of all

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[finite imp]

It come wi egg wuh

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn’t considered her anything

[junior grail]

Easiest to corrupt too

[strange sparrow]

No no no, prince of excess only work when excess happen

[junior grail]

All corruptions start small

[strange sparrow]

Our human soul is too little in the warp to make her fester

[finite imp]

Here's my guide to knives

[junior grail]

Sure they are

[finite imp]

Hope this clears things up

[strange sparrow]

Corruption of the chaos god are schemed well for their plan as our soul fuckin suck to eat

And Slaneesh probably have the least follower

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[finite imp]

Personally tho

If it's me

Yknow

Knife guy

Ayyy

I'm going with tseetch

[junior grail]

Slaanesh is the weakest now because GW doesn't wanna put in half tittied daemons as main attraction

[strange sparrow]

I don’t think soul work that way but maybe

[placid portal]

Too much word

how to use knife

[left zephyr]

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[placid portal]

1. Pick up knife
2. Stab knife to eye

[strange sparrow]

But dark elder have no more physic power isn’t

[junior grail]

If Khorne was able to bless a Tau soul in Firewarrior, it ain't too farfetched

[left zephyr]

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[junior grail]

They avoid so Slaanesh won't eat them straight up, Slaanesh still slowly sucking them dry. That's why they torture to absorb others souls to replenish

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[junior grail]

If we gonna have a lore discussion I dont mind but prepare for walls of text

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-slide-napoleon-dynamite-gif-16055889

Take knife and move like so

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[finite imp]

Stab dodge stab dodge

[junior grail]

Orks have their own Gods after all

[finite imp]

Gork and mork!

They be fighting for eternity

[strange sparrow]

Slaneesh and Eldar did make a connection when she/he/idfk was birthed also isnt

[junior grail]

Maybe Tuska is a Khornate Ork hahaha

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[strange sparrow]

I mean there is instance of Orks worshipping nurgle at one point

[junior grail]

Eldar excess caused the birth of Slaanesh yes

[strange sparrow]

Too dumb to realise

[finite imp]

A waaaggh so loud it can be heard through the heavens and across the planes

[serene sage]

there is always a bigger fish

[strange sparrow]

But still I don’t really feel like Slaneesh would be strong

[dire lagoon]

What is the difference between different power swords? Is either considered much better?

[serene sage]

jesus

[strange sparrow]

Moveset

[finite imp]

What do you think he's like in person

[junior grail]

What colour scheme is that helm?

[dire lagoon]

Moveset = swing patterns?

[strange sparrow]

6 is considered much better due to push attack and swing light

Yes

[finite imp]

White and black

[dire lagoon]

Okok thanks

[serene sage]

for the drip mod

[finite imp]

See

[serene sage]

it's darcy, not mine

[strange sparrow]

You could 2 shot crusher with P6, not sure is it possible on P3

[junior grail]

Amazing

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[junior grail]

Darcy... such a familiar name from a different time

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[frail bolt]

what's a good blessing for kan shotgun?

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[umbral granite]

Welp, brunt sold me this thing... stats look pretty good, blessings/perks are questionable

[finite imp]

Do y'all put on music while you DT

[junior needle]

Slaanesh is either the weakest or second weakest at any given time

[strange sparrow]

My believe on why Slaneesh is weak, is her intrinsic representation overall, the prince of excess

[junior grail]

To us, Slaanesh just got born. But in the Warp, once Slaanesh existed then Slaanesh has always existed. Time has no function in the Warp

[wicked zenith]

Slannesh is like a rock musician individually strong but drunk high and arguing with each other ends up complaining about Napster and becoming irrelevant.

[finite imp]

Johnny silver hand is a slaanesh

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[wicked zenith]

Metallica is Slannesh

[finite imp]

🤘

[dire lagoon]

I got this from a mission reward, good enough with brotmentum or should I salvage for cycler4 and get a mk6?

[junior grail]

Perhaps you need to consider what other aspects of strength there is

[finite imp]

Swear to satan

[finite imp]

SALVAGE

[wicked zenith]

I mean you look like this with them

[strange sparrow]

Take Pcycler and get a P6

[wicked zenith]

Leopard print legs.....

[strange sparrow]

It’s shared between P3 and p6

[finite imp]

It's the leopard print shin armor for me

[junior grail]

Take their colour scheme vs the Rainbow Marines

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[dire lagoon]

Perks = flak and maniac I would guess?

[junior needle]

It's canonically stated, the power levels are as follows:
0. Nurgle (Waxing power)

1. Khorne
2. Tzeentch
3. Slaanesh
4. Nurgle (waning power)

Nurgle apparently waxes and wanes between the strongest and weakest depending on how his plagues are doing.

[strange sparrow]

The other chaos god value is much stronger imo

[finite imp]

This some astrology shit someone get the fucking commissar

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[wicked zenith]

Where are the Genstealer orks in this list.... The least Orky of the orks

[junior needle]

What the hell is discord doing

[finite imp]

Nurgle is in retrograde or some shit

[junior grail]

Depends if you're talking raw strength in direct conflict

[finite imp]

How could anyone hate festus

[junior grail]

Mr Clean

[strange sparrow]

Flak + Cara for me

[strange sparrow]

No no no, more like how they work, life war scheme and pleasure

[finite imp]

You guessed it John. Betty show him what he's playing for.

[jovial aurora]

Just did my first auric damnation lol

[junior grail]

Here's my defence for Slaanesh(put the gun away Commissar)

Pleasure can come in many forms, from sexual to achievements. I could be Slaaneshi from taking pride in my works of art for example

[rare pumice]

I give up with this game and this penance

This thing broke me mentally

[umbral granite]

which penance?

[finite imp]

The whites of my eyes are gently caressing my phone screen as to what you're about to say

[rare pumice]

Make every shot count. It. Broke. Me.

[junior grail]

Next stop Auric Maelstrom

[jovial aurora]

It wasn't as bad as I was expecting tbh

It was dogs but

[junior grail]

Please keep your sclera away from me

[finite imp]

GENTLY

[junior grail]

Auric is the same as Damnation, just that they always have conditions

[umbral granite]

ah... i got that on accident with a scuffed grenadier-spam/support build utilizing the infantry lasgun and mk 4 assault chainsword...

[junior grail]

Used to be intimidated until I realised that they're the same

[finite imp]

Auric is damnation with the comedy setting on

[junior grail]

And we are the joke?

[jovial aurora]

It seems like everything's definitely like more stage by stage in auric

[rare pumice]

See how the hell does this happen by accident? I’m intentionally doing everything that everyone has been telling me to do intentionally and I don’t have shit to show for it

[junior grail]

Auric maelstrom is where the true funnies are at

[jovial aurora]

Or at least the players I played with were taking it by area and clearing but not lingering

[junior grail]

Congo line of Mutants along with swarm of dogs

[jovial aurora]

It was nice

[rare pumice]

Dude this penance should be banned for torture or at least psychological harm

[junior grail]

Good teammates are always a treat no matter the difficulty

[gloomy sigil]

Well lfg xbox is radio silent

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[jovial aurora]

Are there just higher quality players on auric?

[umbral granite]

I can give you the talent tree i used... though be warned, as it was a pretty scuffed build that i threw together like an idiot...

[finite imp]

YUP

[junior grail]

I did it with revolver, without survivalist

[finite imp]

Hencey previous advice

My

[junior grail]

In general yes

[finite imp]

I'm not trying to steer you wrong

[jovial aurora]

It was nice

[finite imp]

I wouldn't decieve you just because I'm unhinged

[jovial aurora]

I was nervous and told them I was new to ad

[finite imp]

Yes

[rare pumice]

You guys are good I’m done playing indefinitely. The devs completely fucked my mind up with that penance.

[finite imp]

Shitheads get chewed up and spit back out to heresy where they belong

[rare pumice]

They can keep the last bit of cosmetics I had to unlock. They win

[frank basin]

@rare pumice i goes shotgun it run well for me, specially kantrael shotgun. Bad aim go shotgun.

[jovial aurora]

They said it'd be fine. They had shield ofryn and purgation psyker with a hellbore vet and me on my volver

[finite imp]

I feel your pain brother

[junior grail]

I still haven't gotten Zealots cosmetics cause I don't like Martyrdom hahaha

[finite imp]

And I don't like make every shot count

Fuck that penance

[junior grail]

That's very sweet

[frank basin]

On Overwatch:

[jovial aurora]

They held me when I cried afterwards

[rare pumice]

My honest opinion to anyone thinking about trying this penance without cheating or accidently getting it, is don’t.

[finite imp]

He is broken.

Soon he will heal

And then he shall be shattered once more

[rare pumice]

Save yourself the trouble and hassle because you’ll just grow fucking hatred for the game and want to tear your eyes out

[junior grail]

Usually if you meet high level players on low difficulties, they only care about rushing for contracts. At high difficulties, everyone works together to stay alive

[frank basin]

Well I use shotgun they are easier i expected

For make every shot count

[finite imp]

Kintsugi

[junior grail]

Tried shotty for some reason didn't work for me, had to go Revolver

[tall torrent]

Which one

[jovial aurora]

In a way it seemed easier than damnation cuz everyone was playing to each others strengths and shit

[umbral granite]

Friend of mine said he got it with one of the assassination missions where the team went meele only until the target, then just mag-dumped on them.

[unreal bone]

I hope they give us the green vox-caster backpack soon.

[finite imp]

On overwatch

[unreal bone]

I'm surprised they didn't release the green vox-caster pack in the current shop with all the green outfits.

[rare pumice]

Make every shot count. That penance made me quit the game all together

[frank basin]

Huh? Did they not work when you dump all pellets on enemies like bulwark?

[junior grail]

Yea like "holy crap actual team synergy"

[tall torrent]

U need help?

[unreal bone]

why no green voxcaster fartshart

[finite imp]

Yeah it's almost like this is a co-op game but don't tell malice players that they're out here playing Skyrim or some shit

[junior grail]

Dknw, maybe some pellets missed

[rare pumice]

I need Jesus brother, that’s how much of a struggle I’ve been in the past four days

[junior grail]

I need a guide to For The Drip mod

[frank basin]

I suggest hit close as possible not too far.

[tall torrent]

Have u tried the Karnak twins

[finite imp]

Download ENBseries

Same thing

[junior grail]

Oh its ok, I got it already haha

[finite imp]

Lmao

[frank basin]

👍

[finite imp]

Same fucked up UI

[rare pumice]

I have but unfortunately it did not go to well both times. So then I stoped since I did not want to waste so much time just to fail the mission.

[frank basin]

Hey is make everyshot count go from heresy?

[tall torrent]

U got time rn? I could help

[junior grail]

Pubs or with a team?

[tall torrent]

We could get 3rd and 4th

In lfg

[gloomy sigil]

Do assassination and only shot the boss with bolt gun or revolver

[tall torrent]

Idk what region u in tho

[strange sparrow]

Tbh that’s fair

[umbral granite]

Pubs are hell for penance grinding, best to grind penaces with a squad.

[frank basin]

I got make everyshot count in pubs once

[strange sparrow]

I just have trouble thinking about slaneesh getting strong in any scenario not involving Eldar fuckin too much again and exploding the universe

Because human pleasure can’t get into Eldar level in any conceivable form

[rare pumice]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I’m going to take a break and then possibly try again in a year or so.

[strange sparrow]

That’s because how life span and status work

[frank basin]

Elder bdms gear is skin flayer

[frank basin]

[finite imp]

See you tomorrow

[rare pumice]

I’ll be in an insane asylum if I try it again tomorrow

[strange sparrow]

Darktide Shotgun work like IRL shotgun but it suck imo

[finite imp]

You're already here

[tall torrent]

If u got time rn we could run it back

[strange sparrow]

Other game treat shotgun pellet as a hit reg for full damage

[frank basin]

Destiny 2

[strange sparrow]

While Darktide calculate pellet

[rare pumice]

True

[strange sparrow]

[finite imp]

I think it broke him

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s really not that bad

[finite imp]

I mean I agree

But anguish is a helluva thing

[tall torrent]

On Overwatch is worse than MESC

[frank basin]

True

[tall torrent]

Both the hard veteran penances are psychological torture tbh

[rare pumice]

Unfortunately I’m burnt out brother. Took to many L’s these past few days and I’m just not up for it anymore.

[finite imp]

I think my issue with MESC is I haven't tried it hard enough

[tall torrent]

Worse than the other classes

[tall torrent]

I thought u finished it already

[finite imp]

Nah just OW

[tall torrent]

We could try tmr if u want, what region are u in

[frank basin]

Snowdrft got burnout like me. No way

Game play is repetitive like every other games

Got me burnout ya

[rare pumice]

Eastern United States servers, are the one I normally play on

[finite imp]

Das me cuh

[frank basin]

Cuhsion

[finite imp]

CUZZIN

EVERYTHING WAS FINE CUZZIN

AND NOW

[rare pumice]

It was just the penances which I was warned about not focusing so much on, but I messed up and did just that

[finite imp]

ITS NOT FINE

[frank basin]

I means I did Focus the penance once I run shotgun no survivalist

[finite imp]

I NEED 55 ROTISSERIE CHICKENS

[frank basin]

Run on heresy

[rare pumice]

Other then that I loved the game and even got me into the warhammer universe

But the penances are diabolical

[finite imp]

Stay away from the community

[frank basin]

I get it

[finite imp]

They are the worst

[strange sparrow]

I need to ask all the book nerds here

How much women did Caphais Cain fuck in his life

[finite imp]

Read the books. Enjoy the art.

[rare pumice]

How bad are they?

[frank basin]

Penenace challenges not meant for me

[fierce steeple]

we need MOAR maps. Moar dakka. moar bonk sticks

[strange sparrow]

I just read like he fucked a mechanicus women

[finite imp]

Literally Nazis in some cases

[strange sparrow]

like wtf happened there

[frank basin]

I get focus plasteel and no self control spending plasteel

[finite imp]

I am not joking

[tall torrent]

Cool, u could add me in game, friend code is just the 955 number string here

[frank basin]

Got me burnout easily

[rare pumice]

God damn….

[finite imp]

We had a Nazi problem here for a short stint

Roman statue avatars and shit

[rare pumice]

But how? I thought they were chill like the Star Wars geeks

[finite imp]

Eventually they got bullied off

[tall torrent]

When we get u through the penances ur gonna be like “we’re so back”

[wicked zenith]

Nazi or Eugenics?

[frank basin]

Space nazi lol

[wanton dawn]

Now we got furries and cat

[finite imp]

Because they think the imperium is unironically a good form of govt

[frank basin]

That count to me?

[finite imp]

That's why they flock

[frank basin]

And smugdel?

[junior needle]

Nazis
Roman statues

[strange sparrow]

No No No

Don't ask bout it

[finite imp]

And also socially inept nerds who have no compassion tend to just swing towards terrible shit

[finite imp]

It's a long story but

[strange sparrow]

Look at my gameplay on my Zealot, Best PoxBurster push

[rare pumice]

Well my friend just let me know when you’re on and you got yourself a deal

[finite imp]

Basically it's how they identify each other in public forums

It's dogwhistling

[rare pumice]

I can see that being a massive issue now that you mention that

[wanton dawn]

Like this ?

[strange sparrow]

Also they're probably the worst pre-made 3 man squad in my recent auric mael game

[frank basin]

Let me guess their fantasy space race superiority purge heretic are minorities? @finite imp

[strange sparrow]

Not even a Smite Psyker could carry them

[wicked zenith]

That's a Eugenics movement.

[finite imp]

Add me too on discord. I shall join your quest if you'll have me

[wanton dawn]

ah man, failed the joke

let's try again

[finite imp]

There's a lot of parellels

[strange sparrow]

All these nazi talk make me realise that Cat Chat Spam is so much better

[wanton dawn]

Here we go, more appropriate size

[finite imp]

But the act of facism in itself is a mental gymnastic

[frank basin]

Failed

[wanton dawn]

smaller ?

[frank basin]

Is big

[wicked zenith]

No you just go hivemind and become a genestealer cult

[frank basin]

And blue

[finite imp]

That's what the Romans used to cover their penis 🙂

[wanton dawn]

Still too big then

[finite imp]

LOL

[frank basin]

Thats fucked

Super blue

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-valve-laugh-gif-15922933

[frank basin]

Am sorry Craime

[wanton dawn]

I though we were talking about dogwhistle

[finite imp]

Its mostly the statues

I think they reflect like

Leaders or some shit

[wanton dawn]

Well, isn't that the part they are more concerned about ?

[finite imp]

From the Roman empire

[frank basin]

So are they halfly eugenic and facism?

[tall torrent]

Alright I’ll dm u tmr

[frank basin]

Are they saying like sigma chad leader?

[finite imp]

I don't know their inner philosophy tbh

[finite imp]

They 100 percent use terms like sigma lmao

I see that shit ALL the time

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/megaman-stare-sigma-gif-11538164

[frank basin]

Pretty much they said society is fucked lot male being weak

That’s their mindset

Something like reject modernity embrace traditional

I have weird view about society

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-leaping-goodbye-deck-yard-gif-17433402

[frank basin]

Their is literally something patriarchy

Men rules everything

As Roman Empire

Does this ring bell?

[wanton dawn]

Welp, I am not discussing this topic any longer. It's boring

[frank basin]

Accept the joints and embrace marijuana.

Vet chat gone schizo topic

[umbral scaffold]

For Long Bomb does it have to be the default grenade?

[frank basin]

Shredder grenade

Hit many target

[umbral scaffold]

Shredder gives Penance?

[last parcel]

yes it works

[umbral scaffold]

Nice

[terse idol]

IF you're talking about 40k fandom

Ehhh

It varies yeah...

You gotta be self aware enough to realise that the imperium is literally a terrible fascist regime
But folks latch onto it and think it's... good?

[frank basin]

Some 40k community open arm to trans and gay one. Like dnd table top. Other just harassing someone different

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[vale osprey]

It boils down to some get the joke and some don't

[junior needle]

Are sad cats dogwhistling anything?

[vale osprey]

You already ate, stop lying

[junior grail]

Depend whether said person is in character or not

I could go GREEN IZ BESTEST but I actually like silver

[junior grail]

As for me, it doesn't matter your irl standings and beliefs. As long as the setting is respected and we're all having fun then that's good enough for me

[strange sparrow]

Why people think that deep to begin

[junior needle]

A terrible, corrupt, bureaucratic nightmare

[strange sparrow]

It's so dumb lmao

[junior grail]

Creative mental exercise is never dumb imo

[frank basin]

No OSHA is China

[strange sparrow]

It's super mental gymnastic into Facism topic

[junior grail]

It's fine to talk about a topic as long as no party is getting attacked if you ask me

If someone claims the very word fascism triggers them then I'll stop and reserve any judgements

[strange sparrow]

I don't view it as triggering but, it become a shit show afterward

[frank basin]

I FInd FaxISM iS OFFensIVE

[junior grail]

disintegrating AUGH meme

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

This is what you looking for “vaporized”

[junior grail]

Thankies

Homie kissies

[frank basin]

[terse idol]

I mean, I ain't calling fans of 40k or the imperium Nazi's

It's just like definition

It's a parody of some of the most corrupt and backwards society gets

It's okay to like the imperium

Hell I like the imperium because of how goofy it is

[frank basin]

Then we get 40k space marine cross universe purging Steven universe gems people

That kind first time seeing 40k

How i preview them

Later on learn more 40k just an old table top with fictional story

They use space marine to kill random cartoon characters out of know-where

Some kind meme or parody whatever is

[dire lagoon]

I'm personally not into 40k at all nor do I care 1 bit about any of the lore, it's just a fun game 😄

[frank basin]

Rolled 1 your Lasgun deal damage to chaos spawn 1 damage.

[fathom grail]

No anime in my Christian vet chat

[junior grail]

What about Hellsing?

[torpid sundial]

Does anime exist in 40k

[wanton dawn]

Slaanesh exists so yes

[serene sage]

do furries exist in 40k

[junior grail]

Slaanesh exists so yes

[junior grail]

Holovids are a thing in 40K so you could say there's Holo-Live in 40K

[torpid sundial]

Oh boy.

[midnight totem]

I'm pretty sure catgirls exist in 40k

They're called, felinids

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Felinid

Yes they're a recognized and accepted strain of abhuman

[finite skiff]

In the grim darkness of the future, there are no catgirls. If they ever reveal what they look like, they will 100% find a way to make even the most accursed furries avoid them like the plague.

[midnight totem]

Bro. We fetishized a woman who is likely 90 percent machine

[midnight totem]

Are you telling me you still have faith in humanity then?

Cause I don't

[finite skiff]

[fathom grail]

This is good anime

[wanton dawn]

I just had my most miserable game in a while and I blame the infiltrate vet for it. For the love of god do not play infiltrate on ventilation purge

[nimble sentinel]

doesn't infiltrate clear out the fog? what the heck happened?

[wanton dawn]

Infiltrate redirecting aggro in a mod where you dont see shit

[nimble sentinel]

ahhhh right

[finite skiff]

I have to admit, I see what stealth is good for but I've so many bad players running it that I am starting to hate it.

[nimble sentinel]

love being a team-oriented stealth knife zealot but I cannot make stealth work on vet when screaming is so good

[wanton dawn]

That's the first time I felt griefed and I am sure the vet did not realize it

[finite skiff]

Using stealth to get out of a bad situation, reach a teammate, or SAFELY close the distance on ranged enemies<<<<<<<<<<<<Going full lone wolf and then dying to a gunner you didn't notice.

^^ According to the majority of the stealth users I have had to deal with. No problem with actual legit good stealth users though.

[nimble sentinel]

I've been out for the holidays and then an ear infection (thank you virgin atlantic very cool) did they break anything important while I was away?

[finite skiff]

Like if you're going to use that build to try and stab the gunner walls that is great but you need really good situational awareness because if you miss any of them they're going to shoot you, a lot.

[wanton dawn]

This game does not need tool that allows you to redirect aggro to your teammate

[torpid sundial]

is 70% stopping power bad for any sort of breakpoints

🤔

[nimble sentinel]

70 is a good minimum but that charge rate tho

[wanton dawn]

Especially in a mod like vent purge or blackout

[tall torrent]

No but 42% charge rate is suffering

[tall torrent]

The new vent purge is actually “cannot see shit”

[torpid sundial]

I dont reeeaaaally mind a slow charge rate but yeah I'll continue searching for a better one

[wanton dawn]

Well, neither does the enemy. Normally

Except if someone rush ahead and vanish

[finite skiff]

Charge rate? What is that? <--Runs plasma and just m1's everything.

I will sometimes charge it if I see a wall of specials or for the first shot into a group.

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1195951208750383155/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.01.13_-_23.35.10.30.png?ex=65b5db5b&is=65a3665b&hm=8f182f72efa539a7bd2daf6ce61001391e126f89965479ac375359be6c98f32b&

Vent purge vigil station oblivium

[torpid sundial]

I still hate the helbore iron sights

so much

I miss heads quite a bit because of it

[finite skiff]

All the marksman weapons, ironsights or no sights.

Gotta love it.

[torpid sundial]

and the damn lazpistols gets it

[nimble sentinel]

common infantry las W

[wanton dawn]

And now I am send to my game with the wrong talent tree/weapon setup

Thanks fs

I think I am going to stop playing today. Too many bullcrap in one go

Btw, alt+f4 fix your build if FS send you in a game with the wrong weapon/talent combination

[umbral scaffold]

Charge rate has a slight influence on m1 fire too

But it's basically negligible as far as I can tell

[brisk sapphire]

affects m1 fire rate and damage

strangely enough

[terse idol]

Nope

Not any more

It got patched out this patch

[brisk sapphire]

o did they patch that, nice

[terse idol]

I'm certain it's why we ahve this visual audio bug

Because left click istechnically considered a "charge" with a fixed time

[civic knot]

Buy?

[umbral scaffold]

Blessings are pretty mid
Perks are the real killer

Decent shovel otherwise though

[civic knot]

sadge

[umbral scaffold]

If there was one decent perk
It'd be pretty decent
( Like if it was +flak)

[torpid sundial]

falter for onslaught, stamina for maniac?

[muted knot]

Not a fan of infernus tbh

[torpid sundial]

Yeah but you dont usually get that much use of surgical in helbore 2 because it charges so fast

and waiting for a guaranteed crit with 4-5 stacks has lower dps than just shooting fully charged shots straight up so idk

onslaught also makes it so that you dont even get more than 1 surgical stack at best

[strange sparrow]

Infernus damage without Crit build is terribly low thou

It only help when you’re shooting monstrosity

[torpid sundial]

Oh I'll be taking the drain stamina

plus crit on dodges

so my crits wont be that low without surgical

[strange sparrow]

Hmm I mean it’s workable if you’re into shooting monstrosity

[muted knot]

I just don't see what the point of infernus is if you onetaps most common things

[strange sparrow]

It’s pretty much an only monstrosity damage blessing

Because flak and Cara have better resistant against burn

[torpid sundial]

I dont see the point in surgical either if you want to wait for guaranteed crits instead of just shooting twice

so its sort of a flex spot

[strange sparrow]

Thing about Burn is, it’s just not that great for Hellbore

[torpid sundial]

I have this but the perk is eh

[strange sparrow]

No respite might be better in this case if you want to avoid surgical all together

Thing about surgical is a guarantee 10% Crit

[torpid sundial]

yeah thats fair

[strange sparrow]

My issue with Infernus is just, it’s not an AOE DOT

Like if you want DoT to be good in this game, you need it to be either consistent/Strong or AOE

[torpid sundial]

is infernus on recon better 🤔

[muted knot]

Yeah

But recon is ass

[torpid sundial]

I know

[brisk sapphire]

infernus is worst on helbores

[strange sparrow]

Things you can’t kill with Crit is Cara and Flak

[muted knot]

Infernus lives off of your firerate

[strange sparrow]

And those have resistant to Burn

So you get better rate with Monstrosity

But then again, you be bayonet spamming Monstrosity

As it have the best DPS overall

[slate sleet]

lay down your false claims of good guns and embrace the agri1 as your lord and savior

[strange sparrow]

You could see that Flak and Cara have Resistant against Burn

[slate sleet]

what site is this

[strange sparrow]

Also you would not reach 300 DPS

[torpid sundial]

It doesn't have to be that way fatshark

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/759731151312257075.webp?size=48&name=PepeCry2&quality=lossless

make burn better on carapace

[strange sparrow]

Place that people hate despite it have great references sources

when it was made with compelling argument/dataset

[slate sleet]

carap is a meme armor type

maulers are a joke and crushers get krak'd

[strange sparrow]

Burn overall just suck, You can't sugarcoat it with Hellbore

Hellbore just have such an absurd damage with Crit to begin

[torpid sundial]

Its so hard to fine a good helbore 2 I might just go back to my helbore 3 but the bayonet is soooo sloooow

You can control hordes to an extent with 2's bayonet but not 3 at all

[strange sparrow]

3 just suck for me so I don't take it

Highest Damage but it's overloaded damage

[torpid sundial]

Its okay for me since its easy to hit any breakpoint

[strange sparrow]

I don't really need these damage type of scenario

[torpid sundial]

You can take less damage talents

and spec into more utility

all the grenades and stuff for example so its not too bad

[strange sparrow]

You could do what Hellbore mk 3 is doing with a HellBore Mk 1

Maybe in future if Mk3 pierce more target

it would see more utilization

Current problem is it have terrible bayonet, mid charge rate with Onslaught, A extremely high damage value that you don't really need

[gray finch]

16 stacks for a recon lasgun would help him tbh

[dire lagoon]

any suggestions? not god roll but will be servicable for a long while I think.

[torpid sundial]

Till this day I still have not seen a power cycler 4

[slate sleet]

burn is good for recons because they have meh blessings so you just go headhunter infernus

free damage

[strange sparrow]

Thing about DoT for Gun is, it just bad

[gray finch]

for lucius as well is a free dmg with a surgical

[strange sparrow]

It's not ridicously Strong, It does not do AOE, it require you to do a lot of stack before reaching an okay damage

So for gun DOT, it's really just against Monstrosity

The thing that you're expecting to DOT to death is like Cara/Flak which have inherent resistances against Burn

If you don't hit enough stacks, your damage just suck

[torpid sundial]

its weird that they dont give more options to deal with carapace and make it so that things like the revolver and plasma gun hyper meta because it can delete carapace... AND everything else in the game just as easily

[thick rose]

aye

[strange sparrow]

Purgatus is good because it does AOE Cloud, so is FlameThrower

[thick rose]

the old chain axe is INCREDIBLE

maybe the most shocking realisation I have had in this game

[strange sparrow]

Yea, it's kinda dumb that you give the gun burning option

but those burning are weak af against enemy that you were expecting to cook

[thick rose]

I got this going and I think its right

unarmored means you can just spam scab melee guy packs like a dream

one hit dead

I dunno if its literally better than power sword but fuck power sword, this is so much more fun

[frank ether]

been telling people this

new is also quite good and has strong potential synergy with thrust

[thick rose]

I just love how you basically have a rev on every attack really fast

and it controls your target

maulers, crushers, not scary

and its not like a suicide mission with a shovel special that might kill them. its a pretty safe move because of the interupt

[frank ether]

old vs new chainaxe is basically

do you want revs on your lights or heavies?

shovel is well.. it has its own advantages but I find that chaxe just murks hordes better due to relying on different blessings

the common pickaxe shovel setup seems to be limbsplitter-thrust

that setup has poor cleave and pickaxe shovels have poor cleave in general

[elder fiber]

I'm not big on limbsplitter with them, esp b/c it stays on cooldown til you stop swinging

[frank ether]

If you're not nuking big targets in one hit with them

you're using the wrong weapon to begin with

old shovel is a lot better at being a generalist

you put deci-uncanny and it will still deal with carapace relatively ok

[elder fiber]

Idk they oneshot a lot without limbsplitter depending on build and function fine in general with decimator

[frank ether]

while still having 5 dodges, wide fast heavies and an interrupt

they tend to not, but maybe you're playing malice for all I know

or rely on teammates to chip away at crushers

[elder fiber]

I play aurics lmao

[frank ether]

don't see how you're one shotting crusher/maulers without power

decimator expires the moment you stop swinging or miss

[fresh grail]

After this roll i will finally become the recon las main. The slaves to the meta will never stop me!

Was worried the damage was too low but the breaking points are still fine

[strange sparrow]

Eh do whatever you like

Not like Subpar weapon make a problem as long you have Ps6 anyways

[fresh grail]

Very true

but i just think people bash the recon las a bit much, it's not great but it's not as much of an ammo hog as people make it out to be. With shock trooper and ammo aura on auric, of course.

[midnight crane]

does Onslaught work on Shotguns?

[fresh grail]

not on individual pellets anymore iirc

[midnight crane]

aaaaa

[fresh grail]

Unless the ninja changed that again 🤭

[dire lagoon]

I just came back to the game recently, I quit like a month after launch. First weapon I build was a Infernus Recon las.. I was having a lot of fun but it was a struggle in damnation.. Recently found and really good columnus 5 and it's not even the same game anymore lol.

[strange sparrow]

People bashing on Recon are perfectly fine as Auric Mael just push ammo economy to it's limit

[midnight crane]

queud up for a game of maelstrom yesterday

[strange sparrow]

And currently I believe a lot of people use Auric Mael as a benchmark for weapon

[midnight crane]

two of us including me didn't read the no ammo pickup tag. We didn't have scavenger

it went alright

[strange sparrow]

HISTG + Some Modifier really punish em

[midnight crane]

granted it was scab only melee

[strange sparrow]

It's alright as your melee weapon isn't total shit tbh

But I have difficulty with Infantry Las when I tried it out on some modifier

[midnight crane]

yeah... Q.Q

infantry las is nice, its hard on some modifier

[strange sparrow]

Can't play Infantry Las like I play CIAG

[fresh grail]

Ithink if you go regular damnation then recon (the one i posted anyway) struggles a lot more with ammo. The vet ammo aura is really needed to make it strong but it becomes a quite good weapon then.

Of course, much to be said for a weapon that can only be used with a very specific build, vs something like a braced agripinna which always work.

[strange sparrow]

My gameplay is like 95% CIAG and 5% melee

[midnight crane]

or the agri slug. People should try it more often. It's very good

as long as you always ads

[fresh grail]

i can't go away from the kantrael. I like pretty flames 🤤

[midnight crane]

trying to figure out if onslaught work on shotgun pellets tho

[strange sparrow]

Imo, anything below Auric Damn/Auric Mael right now are feasible with any weapon

because HISTG is just a very strong modifier

It doesn't require you to run on absolutely optimal manner

[fresh grail]

Indeed true, but i was more thinking of the fact that on HISTG you get so many more elites and specials spawning it makes your talents proc so much easier, which is very nice in some situations.

But i agree, you can do it with grey weapons for sure. Skill is the most important in the end

[strange sparrow]

Thing with suboptimal weapon is they run into net negative ammo economy to kill Elite/Special

Which is probably my problem

[fresh grail]

Ahh right

Yeah i can see that happening. I was thinking when using my recon headhunter build it works better on higher difficulties but thats a very specific scenario.

[strange sparrow]

Weapon Tier List are based on the highest difficulty of the game provide right now
If you aren't playing on that difficulty, you should just ignore it and play to whatever you like

[manic vortex]

is the reload speed really bad? Or this is still okay if i put hand cannon on it.

[midnight crane]

you'll barely notice it 👍

[strange sparrow]

Still okay if you run Weapon Specialist (Keystone on the right)

[fresh grail]

That's workable for sure

[strange sparrow]

Point blank is okay

Just try to get +25% Flak + +25% Cara

Hand Cannon come first

[manic vortex]

alright thanks

[strange sparrow]

Last Blessing -> HandCannon
In event you get anything subpar on Perks, just ask tbh

[slate sleet]

recon las is perfectly fine, people in here have brainrot when it comes to weapons they always compare everything to plasma, revolver, columnus without realising those weapons are literally crutches that will get floored with nerfs soon

[strange sparrow]

Recon Las is perfectly not fine on Auric Mael

I bandaid it so bad with talent and it still net negative ammo

[slate sleet]

when it all comes crashing down the wheelchairs will have to come to terms that not every weapon is supposed to 1 shot literally every single enemy on max difficulty or output 10k dps

[fresh grail]

Lmao so true. Whenever i'm in auric everyone uses everything, from flamers to chain axe, to columnus braced. It always goes fine, it's skill that lets people down.
Then on forums all i see is plasma this plasma that

[frank ether]

here comes vet number 123534853 that I have to carry

bro

everyone is too kind to tell you this

but your ass is useless

you eat the teams ammo supply and do nothingg with it on recon

[fresh grail]

net negative ammo when its not a 'no-ammo' mission is fine, i never ran out with it.

[slate sleet]

if you use the recon to kill ranged enemies and specials while using your melee weapon to kill chaff (the way the game is intended to be played lol) you will never have any ammo issues

[strange sparrow]

You could try to expand the look on your damage with scoreboard mod

[slate sleet]

people think that just because a gun runs out of ammo when they shoot it at literally everything its somehow bad

[fresh grail]

Its been top last 3 games, with the ovenproof mod

[frank ether]

lmao

[strange sparrow]

With Recon Las?

[fresh grail]

the one i posted earlier ye

[slate sleet]

newsflash you have a melee weapon for a reason and the game was literally intended to be played in a way that you have to swap to your melee weapon

[frank ether]

you're talking to a melee veteran

[strange sparrow]

I don't see any image

Could you show again

[fresh grail]

with shock trooper blessing for the ammo

[strange sparrow]

No I mean the list of matches

[fresh grail]

ah right, i can post it after, am in match rn

[slate sleet]

i have every single weapon in the game with a near god roll and i have used every recon las variant i can safely say they are perfectly fine for auric mael

[strange sparrow]

So you're just relying on your Ps6 to carry yourself

[slate sleet]

i am always #1 green circles in everything unless i have a psyker popping off with gunker build

[strange sparrow]

I could be taking a useless melee but with a plasma, and it would still outperform in a lot of cases

vice versa

[slate sleet]

i have not used a cringe sword since the beta ended

its honestly a over rated annoying weapon to use

broken weapons carrying bad players / builds? wow what a concept

[strange sparrow]

I still dont get your justification on Recon Las

[fresh grail]

fun?

[slate sleet]

its a fun weapon to use

[strange sparrow]

Your comment state that it's a shit weapon on the spectrum

we already know you like the gun but uh

Yea you could hold your preferences with the gun

It just doesn't change that the gun need a lot of bandaid from talent tree

[fresh grail]

it can complete auric malestrom

[frank ether]

just low IQ take

[strange sparrow]

and it still underform compared to all the other gun with those bandaid

[slate sleet]

this game is pretty boring and repetitive, some people want to do different things every match

[frank ether]

you can take the worst autogun in the game and shoot 5x more than a recon

it will likely do more dps too

[slate sleet]

i also like my games to have a semblance of difficulty so im not bored

[frank ether]

what does graia brauto get

like

near 1000 rounds on veteran

[strange sparrow]

Nah I think this is dumb

I get what you're stating

[frank ether]

and it doesnt consume multiple per shot

[strange sparrow]

It just arguing to argue instead of saying how this weapon does something better

[slate sleet]

graia auto is also not comparable to recons whatsoever

[strange sparrow]

Just saying im handicapping myself to have fun

[slate sleet]

graia cannot hit anything outside melee range

[strange sparrow]

Which is true, I do that too

[slate sleet]

recon is effective at nearly every range

[frank ether]

It hits fine on an exec build

which most recon players use

[slate sleet]

even at sniper ranges the high rof + crits + infernus allows you to deal with anything in a resonable amount of time

you dont need exec stance to buff it

[frank ether]

lmao

actually promoting infernus

[strange sparrow]

Where's my graph on Infernus again

[frank ether]

over brautos

[slate sleet]

headhunter + infernus adds alot of damage and makes it perform adequately

[strange sparrow]

Because the total damage overtime is pathetic rn

as it's not AOE/Strong

[slate sleet]

infernus is not amazing but its free damage

[strange sparrow]

if it work well against Cara/Flak, it would be a better blessing

[slate sleet]

on a gun that can easily build up stacks

[strange sparrow]

The thing with Infernus stack on recon is that it's cap at 12