You shouldn't ever get hit
#veteran-class
terse idol
strange sparrow
And I will be honest, Exec Stances right now with Marksman focus are exceptionally weak
terse idol
Oh you run infil?
There's no reason to run infil because you shouldn't put yourself in bad positions to begin with
strange sparrow
MF damage doesn’t break that well except you’re using Headhunter
vernal harbor
VOC overcharges everyones toughness and also hard stops every enemy charging into the group and stuns them all
delicate estuary
I appreciate you uniting with me in the VOC trolling bandwagon 
wanton dawn
Marksman focus is incredibly mid
vernal harbor
so a pack of dogs is nothing
strange sparrow
Because it’s finesse modifier
vernal harbor
pack of mutants is useless
terse idol
VOC overcharges everyones toughness and also hard stops every enemy charging int...
Yes and?
Its one of the most OP talents for vet rn
Like I think its pretty widely agreed
vernal harbor
My b i thought we were comparing it to exe
strange sparrow
Exec Stance does a very bad job as ability because it give a lot of damage that Veteran doesn’t really need with all these damage perks/talent it have
wanton dawn
Exec stance is fine on autogun
strange sparrow
Also No melee mode
terse idol
No problem its just annoying when I'm like
Okay I can beat auric damn with a lasgun, exe stance, and marksmens focus but oh no it's bad
strange sparrow
terse idol
It can't be
delicate estuary
Yes and?
Its one of the most OP talents for vet rn
Small correction just most
terse idol
It can't beat
vernal harbor
the most useful thing about exe is if your group gives a shit they can see the tagged enemies for a couple seconds
terse idol
The best talent in the game
strange sparrow
Tbh, you could play no talent and still win
jovial aurora
My b i thought we were comparing it to exe
i mean anyone can beat anything with the right team lol
terse idol
Woah, damn off to the garbage
vernal harbor
i mean anyone can beat anything with the right team lol
true
vernal harbor
i havent lost a game in over 14 missions.
strange sparrow
Also MF need to be reworked
jovial aurora
yeah it should
terse idol
I mean I'm just not dillusional to use flipping recon
terse idol
MF is okay
wanton dawn
i havent lost a game in over 14 missions.
Yet still no "no down in 15 games" achievements. Scrub !
vernal harbor
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-fat-fat-gigachad-gigachad-fat-chad-fat-gif-25194...
commissars HATE him but hes perfect ork fighting physique
terse idol
Could be cool if the toughness regen on WP kill is higher
Bur people over think the
CANT MOVE
strange sparrow
MF is okay
I done the math with it, it only really good with extremely high fitness weapon rn
terse idol
Too much
bitter turtle
MF just needs slightly more bonuses
strange sparrow
Also >40% Crit chances
bitter turtle
The mechanic is fine
delicate estuary
Exe stance is fine as is atm. VOC just needs a point tax with exclusivity. You either get over toughness or stagger not both
jovial aurora
exec is trash. it needs some sort of revcovery to match the other 2
vernal harbor
Yet still no "no down in 15 games" achievements. Scrub !
strange sparrow
Oh mechanics wise is alright
bitter turtle
I'd like some crit bonus on it idk
vernal harbor
my team lets me down.
bitter turtle
Per stack
vernal harbor
cant do it all alone.
bitter turtle
That'd be cool
Maybe make it weaker for automatics if that makes crit strings too good
jovial aurora
That'd be cool
somethign beyond wasting perks for damage that you could get easier elsewhere? yeah
bitter turtle
I don't think you can get it easier elsewhere necessarily
vernal harbor
that shit was quickplay
bitter turtle
You have to grab a lot of non dmg boosting perks to get down to focus target
strange sparrow
I’m just saying the finesse damage buff is needed tbh
Or it become a raw damage buff
bitter turtle
And if your goal is to hit a BP on non-ogryns the mid tree just doesn't really help
drifting oak
marksman's focus is good because it's free damage that buffs your damage when spraying columnus into poxwalkers
the absolute cope of content creators on youtube is a black hole, holy shit
bitter turtle
Until you hit focus
drifting oak
WHY ARE YOU SPRAYING COLUMNUS INTO POXWALKERS
jovial aurora
you have to grab kill zone or opening to get to exec lol
low oar
i have on overwatch im exempt from critisim
I got mine on auric damnation hunting grounds
terse idol
I mean I just run MF with lasgun because larp reasons
bitter turtle
WHY ARE YOU SPRAYING COLUMNUS INTO POXWALKERS
I do that tho
Colum knife loadout
Lol
Not like you run out of ammo
strange sparrow
I mean, I got make every shot count
I can defend marksmens focus without critici...
The damage of MF is ridiculously low right now until you get Vraks and Laspistol
vernal harbor
I got mine on auric damnation hunting grounds
did i say quickplay i meant auric dam maelstrom
terse idol
I mean columnus into pox walkers isn't bad
low oar
"huh how'd I get some penances and cosmetics?"
"Oh. I never got hit"
terse idol
The ammo efficiency is good
jovial aurora
amd miss out on field improv and/or stock pile which you probably already spec over to get anyway
terse idol
And per bullet you make some value back
strange sparrow
And you need Crit rate to make it worth while
bitter turtle
Also colum has pretty high finesse modifiers so it's actually one of the better users of MF
drifting oak
my gripe with spray columnus into poxwalkers is that now you have to reload your columnus
strange sparrow
Because FT give better base damage which translate to weak spot
drifting oak
proceed to die to shocktrooper wave
strange sparrow
Vice versa
drifting oak
I swear to god you already spend the whole game reloading the columnus as is
low oar
Then don't spray guns into trash you can kill with melee?
jovial aurora
idk man
terse idol
my gripe with spray columnus into poxwalkers is that now you have to reload your...
Gonna say the funny thing
If youre dying because you needed to reload the colmubus
drifting oak
Then don't spray guns into trash you can kill with melee?
then that circles around to the argument of "perk is good because spray into hordes"
terse idol
HmmMMMMMmmm
jovial aurora
focus target and the perks that lead up to it AND voice of command are often perks you spec over to anyway or want to
bitter turtle
my gripe with spray columnus into poxwalkers is that now you have to reload your...
Unironically a skill issue
drifting oak
also it's not just you
it's teammates
can't kill muties
can't kill bombers before they pull the pin
can't kill flamers
terse idol
Well
drifting oak
because you decided to meme and spray columnus into horde
terse idol
Wait roll it back
jovial aurora
to me focus target is no brainer
terse idol
So if you shoot a columnus into hordes
drifting oak
and suddenly the fight is 20 times more awkward and stressful than it needed to be
jovial aurora
cuz 20 percent damange
terse idol
You cant kill a mutant because of a reload
jovial aurora
for literally everyone
terse idol
Tbe reload on a columnus is fast
delicate estuary
it's teammates
Fuck 'em if they want to win they gotta work for it
terse idol
You can honestly magdump a mutant and reload and kill another 3
jovial aurora
You cant kill a mutant because of a reload
yee idk what kinda columnus you had but that fucker is rapid
terse idol
Because the columnbus is insane
drifting oak
because shocktrooper waves ARE limited and you can onemag them
except if your magazine is already fucking empty
drifting oak
okay now the whole floor is on fire
bitter turtle
You're acting like the gun has plasma reload times and also that specialist or elite hordes don't make themselves fairly obvious on incoming
terse idol
Because we're talking about one of the most powerful guns in the game
jovial aurora
columnus is like 2 seconds isn't it?
drifting oak
1.0 seconds matters when bombers run out of doors and shit
drifting oak
that's the difference between PING and a huge fire puddle
bitter turtle
Guess what makes a lot of space
terse idol
Urgh this is gonna sound like crap but
bitter turtle
Shooting horde
drifting oak
and just a dead bomber who accomlpished nothing
terse idol
Your run is doomed if you lost on 1 second
bitter turtle
With your op gun
bitter turtle
I know this is hard to understand but the danger of hordes is choking the amount of space you have to move
low oar
Me using the bomber fire to get martyrdom stacks
terse idol
This is the same argument I had with someone who liked using ability regen curio
For 3 second cool down on voc
drifting oak
this has the same brainlet energy as "tap firing is okay on the gorgonum for killing snipers because you can kill them eventually just dodge bro"
bitter turtle
That is precisely why bombers and flamers can be dangerous in the first tplace
So yes I would want to clear the horde out lol
drifting oak
see the argument there is that if you couldn't dig yourself out with one (1) good VOC usage you probably wouldn't be saved by a second anyway
same as y'know
columnus magazines
terse idol
this has the same brainlet energy as "tap firing is okay on the gorgonum for kil...
Well second this is why I defend the lasgun because tap firing long range with a columnus sucks
I mean
jovial aurora
revolver better
terse idol
Uh
jovial aurora
idk
terse idol
Debatable
jovial aurora
you have like
low oar
I play constantly sprinting knife zealot for those second to second no mistake gameplay.
jovial aurora
a sword right?
terse idol
Pgun, columnus and revolver are standing as one of the best weapons in the game
jovial aurora
i don't get it
bitter turtle
I unironically wonder what the alternative anyway is, would you rather play with a dude who flails his arm around with a bleed knife at the horde going "I'm helping" instead of the dude actually making space by mowing them down 🤔
terse idol
I play constantly sprinting knife zealot for those second to second no mistake g...
Then clearly the run wasn't gonna end in a second 
Sorry I'm cheeky and tired
bitter turtle
Oh but what if he has to RELOAD
drifting oak
columnus is good but spraying into hordes is a luxury and a vice 90% of the time
i run into so many columnus teams whom are all on fucking orange and red ammo
jovial aurora
i use columbus as a push on my melee psyker lol
bitter turtle
You run into bad players on every weapon
drifting oak
just position better preemptively so you actually have space to melee and save your ammunition for things that actually need to be shot
jovial aurora
that's pretty much it
terse idol
You dont know how small 1 second in darktide is until you're watching your cooldown go up, and you look away shoot 5 things and you've already passed 10 seconds in darktide time
drifting oak
stop W-sprinting when you hear horde sounds
terse idol
Which then means you've had upkeep on your VOC for 8 or 9 seconds
drifting oak
and then getting pinched by the back spawn AND the ambients you just pulled
terse idol
Or more
white minnow
stop W-sprinting when you hear horde sounds
no
bitter turtle
Plus
white minnow
and then getting pinched by the back spawn AND the ambients you just pulled
no
god gave me grenades
jovial aurora
the whole keystone under exec stance don't make sense to me in a game that's about maintaining team coherency lol
drifting oak
the amount of times I literally solo a mixed elite + trash spawn from behind with ZERO participation from the team who is W-rushing
is frankly criminal
terse idol
just position better preemptively so you actually have space to melee and save y...
I'll say, if we're speaking of auric damnation, you're guranteed to make ammo back with survivalist because your max ammo count is so high
bitter turtle
There's plenty of situations I don't really want to engage hordes in melee anyway if I have reason to believe a burster or something is around a corner
round jetty
never playing this game again if hadron fucks me on this
terse idol
That 1 or 2 elite kills will give you 40 bullets back after using 15
bitter turtle
Rather make space
drifting oak
the corner is the best possible place to take on a burster lol
beacuse you can use the corner or even push through it
terse idol
Its not bad to shoot into hordes... because rarely are runs determined in 1 second... its usually 30
jovial aurora
the amount of times I literally solo a mixed elite + trash spawn from behind wit...
chances are the trash mob would've never spawned if you maintained coherency
drifting oak
and be guaranteed it won't get you
bitter turtle
Not if you aren't sure if it's there
delicate estuary
There's plenty of situations I don't really want to engage hordes in melee anywa...
Just use VOC it's not like it takes that much skill 💀
drifting oak
actually what, lmao
terse idol
chances are the trash mob would've never spawned if you maintained coherency
Huh?
Mixed hordes just run uo sometimes
drifting oak
is this the voodoo that the director ONLY spawns rear-enemies when someone is lagging behind?
flint onyx
Off to a good start
bitter turtle
Ok let me rephrase for ur literacy
If u hear the bopping and don't know where it is
jovial aurora
chances are the trash mob would've never spawned if you maintained coherency
on higher difficulties the AI will literally punish the fuck out of you for anchoring back there and playing sniper elite: shitty dark tide edition
round jetty
pretty ALRIGHT i guess
cedar pecan
Hadron middle finger unboxing
delicate estuary
Ok let me rephrase for ur literacy
If u hear the bopping and don't know where i...
You can still VOC
round jetty
no more plasteel, wasted the rest on another class
terse idol
on higher difficulties the AI will literally punish the fuck out of you for anch...
What no?
round jetty
back to maelstrom
bitter turtle
OK yes voc is the answer usually
drifting oak
on higher difficulties the AI will literally punish the fuck out of you for anch...
that's only for taggable specials and I'm like 90% sure it's overridden by shocktrooper spawns in the first place
bitter turtle
But ignoring voc
terse idol
Thr director will spawn more shit if you're alone like disablers
bitter turtle
I'd rather not run knee deep into horde if voc isn't up and I know a burster is popping soon
jovial aurora
it will also spawn trash mods if you're lingering
drifting oak
full sound-cue horde+mixed elite waves spawn when they spawn and don't get affected otherwise
terse idol
You can anchor further back as ranged but if you're not further than like looking at your team and the enemies
Its gonna be normal
Like, this is talking about loner zealots
Who run to nevada
drifting oak
also any good team is going to be fucking out of coherency x 1000 all the time anyway
terse idol
Stabbing one guy
drifting oak
because plasteel in side rooms
terse idol
also any good team is going to be fucking out of coherency x 1000 all the time a...
Ideally you stay after finding it though
low oar
I find marksman to be fine tbh. It's just not as ridiculously universal as focus target
terse idol
Coherence bonuses are important
jovial aurora
idk i used to think the same way but anyone who claims w spam is likely just someone who real bad at keeping up with their team and usually costs their team more shit to deal with when they die to "all the shit their team left behind"
drifting oak
when you're fighting yes
terse idol
I find marksman to be fine tbh. It's just not as ridiculously universal as focus...
Well yeah
bitter turtle
Marksman just needs better bonuses
terse idol
That's what I'm getting at
white minnow
i'm with the team when we're fighting but other than that I'm out of coherency a lot of times for plasteel
delicate estuary
I just hate my team so I have them wait in airlocks and elevators till I am done looting 😎
white minnow
since i usually get pubs that don't explore sidepaths much
drifting oak
but like even on auric maelstrom there's tons of "downtime" when people can be pulling forward while the plasteel is collected
white minnow
and I actively have to run away frrom my team to explore sidepaths
low oar
i'm with the team when we're fighting but other than that I'm out of coherency a...
I just play knife zealot and try to get away from my team because they're heretics and are best kept at a distance
strange sparrow
since i usually get pubs that don't explore sidepaths much
Fuck side paths sometime
white minnow
because teammates like to follow you for some reason even if you're going into a dead end for mats
drifting oak
without outright yolorushing past already aggroed enemies, or shooting super distant enemies just to pull them too
bitter turtle
idk i used to think the same way but anyone who claims w spam is likely just som...
Only time I've ever had w spam as a problem is if it's literally 3 knife users and I'm on psword
strange sparrow
Sometime it’s nice that someone notice you fall out of the team and wait for you
terse idol
W Spam?
bitter turtle
Otherwise if u fall behind its your fault
drifting oak
Only time I've ever had w spam as a problem is if it's literally 3 knife users a...
it's a problem every single time that players choose to literally ignore enemies and keep running past them
terse idol
Yeah, I mean don't get stuck on 5 pox walkers... sometimes even I get trapped
jovial aurora
g5 just goes smoother if you keep moving forward and move as a group lol. the whole ranged stand your ground exec stance thing just goes against how the game encourages you to play lmao
drifting oak
for some reason
terse idol
You just gotta make space and run up
white minnow
it's pretty rare that they aggro enemies and those enemies don't aggro onto them though
drifting oak
g5 just goes smoother if you keep moving forward and move as a group lol. the wh...
crescendos/room events exist
terse idol
Auric damantion is a matter of making fast enough progress thst you can keep your resources up
drifting oak
every midpoint event and finale room involves a ton of standing around
bitter turtle
The game literally does not stop spawning enemy on auric
terse idol
Damnation you can spend some time clearing every little thing stuck on your tail
bitter turtle
If u try to kill everything before moving on u will never move on
drifting oak
and many of these events are the most stressful parts of their level
delicate estuary
g5 just goes smoother if you keep moving forward and move as a group lol. the wh...
Just kill stuff in time and you don't have to stand your ground. Also just get headshots and you don't have to stand still for left keystone anything else is just skill issue
potent iris
lol auric is not that intense
drifting oak
like the middle desert room with the battery carrying
terse idol
The game literally does not stop spawning enemy on auric
Last auric damn I played did, everything came in trickles then HUGE spec waves, then trickles
bitter turtle
Esp on scab only monstro nurgle blessed modifier
terse idol
You can feel the waves
potent iris
maelstrom can get a bit sketchy but auric is typically chill
terse idol
Its why it's important to keep moving and not get bogged down by like 5 dudes
wanton dawn
lol auric is not that intense
Man is an elitist ! Catch him !
bitter turtle
And ya that's what I mean
terse idol
Waa
potent iris
and even on maelstrom it really REALLY depends on the modifiers
jovial aurora
Just kill stuff in time and you don't have to stand your ground. Also just get h...
that's what i'm talking about lol balista was whining about "w spam" when it's likely just his team cohering as they should be lol
sharp ember
been using the columnus brauto for a couple runs, pretty snazzy, it's not an agri but it hits some stagger breakpoints that graia doesn't
easier to stunlock priority elites and specials
drifting oak
no, it's fucking zealots dodging past melee enemies 'to melee the ranged enemies behind them" only to pull another melee AND ranged squad and then they fucking die and then I have to put up with a quadpull
terse idol
I hate that every time I seee mutant hordes it reminds me of WWE rage cage matches
terse idol
I need the wrestler mod mutants
drifting oak
just shoot the neemy and let them meet you halfway
hybrid token
did this mission the other day which felt like a nonstop horde, wish the game was like this more often
bitter turtle
and even on maelstrom it really REALLY depends on the modifiers
For sure, but some ppl get really exposed with their bad mentality on that modifier I mentioned
jovial aurora
the amount of times I literally solo a mixed elite + trash spawn from behind wit...
from behind
hybrid token
just crank the spawn rate up fs
thick wolf
ran with a recon lasgun on a heresy match
drifting oak
god gave you ranged weapons for a reason, one revolver bullet to pull a bunch of melee like 30 meters forward is worth it
jovial aurora
you're gettin there
drifting oak
from behind
see in this situation we have an overpull from the front from W-rushers, who are now completely out of position to deal with back spawns on account of having already overpulled from the front
terse idol
Overpull means not too much
jovial aurora
see in this situation we have an overpull from the front from W-rushers, who are...
if you're the one not with the team you're the one out of position
terse idol
If your team is moving you move
drifting oak
if you're the one not with the team you're the one out of position
ah yes just let me overpull with the rest of hte team and then act surprised when 4 crushers come into us from behind
terse idol
Because they don't want to get stuck in a bad position or use more resources than you need
drifting oak
I can SEE those fucks walking in
bitter turtle
Just kill them as u move with them
terse idol
Yeah
bitter turtle
Unironically
drifting oak
I will fight them where they come from, thank you very much
jovial aurora
because you're 75m behind your team and they spawned lol
terse idol
I mean if 4 crushers are getting pulled
Then you're with the team
You all deal with the crushers
bitter turtle
If ur running back into the crushers while 3 are moving on
Then yes
That is ur fault unironically
terse idol
These aren't speed run strats
jovial aurora
it's just keeping the difficulty director from reeming your cornhole
terse idol
Its true, and it's something I had to learn
drifting oak
If ur running back into the crushers while 3 are moving on
you don't think it's worth dealing with the 4 crusher pull from behind and instead deciding to pull another bunch of enemy from the front? k
terse idol
Because sometimes you focus on 6 scab brusiers
Now you're on the tail of ragers that your team staggered
Now you're getting more stuck behind
bitter turtle
I think it's better to kill the crusher on the move rather than running backwards into them yes
drifting oak
I died like 20 times going "gee why did my team instantly die the moment I met up with them"
drifting oak
"oh yeah it's because of the FOUR CRUSHERS I was ignoring to catch up with my team"
terse idol
Well that's a different issue
low oar
What are you nerds even arguing about
thick wolf
game gave me another autopistol, what do you think
drifting oak
the argument that getting left behind by your team isn't a thing
bitter turtle
I'm always the last dude
terse idol
If you want a dick answer, because you weren't there.
My answer is, because sometimes people get into bad spots and die and that's normal
bitter turtle
But I still make sure to keep up
drifting oak
and that it's purely your fault
bitter turtle
While killing stuff while staying on the move
jovial aurora
"oh yeah it's because of the FOUR CRUSHERS I was ignoring to catch up with my te...
which would've never happened if you wouldn't have pulled them your way and had to catch up
terse idol
Usually the guy in the tail is the one dying
bitter turtle
Like I'm using v7 and sword when I try hard I'm not exactly fast lol
So I take rear
I never run backwards into spawns from behind
That's stupid
I kill while moving forward with team
sharp ember
game gave me another autopistol, what do you think
pretty useable if you feel like some variety, change crit chance to Flak and mess around with it in your difficulty of choice
drifting oak
you do realize "behind" can be just like 3-5 seconds of movement right
terse idol
Yeah
bitter turtle
Only time I ever struggled was the game I mention unrionically 3 knife users
low oar
the argument that getting left behind by your team isn't a thing
doesn't drop down
Silent trapper spawn:
"Why hello there"
terse idol
I mean again it's just doing your best to stay in the blob
thick wolf
pretty useable if you feel like some variety, change crit chance to Flak and mes...
ic ic
bitter turtle
Then maybe u have an excuse if they leave u behind if ur using a slow wep
terse idol
That is also true
drifting oak
if you think that turning around for 3-5 seconds of movement to deal with a highly telegraphed mixed elites horde that has chosen to spawn from behind
isn't the play
terse idol
Bur I also run plasma, and a dclaw
sharp ember
ic ic
and also, brace when shooting whenever you can to improve not only recoil, but stagger power
drifting oak
and that the play is to instead keep focusing on pulling forward to suddenly get sandwiched between double the enemies you would have otherwise had to deal with
jovial aurora
you do realize "behind" can be just like 3-5 seconds of movement right
about as much as you realize that maintaining coherency is everything in this game and anything that goes wrong as a result of making the consciouce decision to not do that is on you
terse idol
if you think that turning around for 3-5 seconds of movement to deal with a high...
Its the issue in my eyes that if you turn around
low oar
I've been doing shenanigans with the new shovel and an agrippina shotgun ngl
terse idol
Thats just more opportunity for the Ai director to spawn more
low oar
It's a fun melee centric swap build
bitter turtle
I'm just saying I don't have a problem with "w spam" at all in auric mael despite always being rear guard bc of my wep choice
So either
I'm just lucky
W/ teammates
drifting oak
Nah
bitter turtle
Or its a skill issue
jovial aurora
dude just need to learn to cohere
terse idol
There is an argument to be had that if you go back, and kill them then you may not get sandwhichdd but that argument can go both ways
drifting oak
you probably just have a perception problem
terse idol
You go back and get sandwhiched
terse idol
You go forward get sandwhiched
drifting oak
when it was your mistake that got them all killed
vernal harbor
why you think zealots coherency talent does that
thick wolf
hadron just gave my shovel +20% more damage against caraprace
terse idol
One of these outcomes gives you progress
bitter turtle
Lol ok
terse idol
The other doesn't
vernal harbor
director licks its lips
terse idol
when it was your mistake that got them all killed
I mean it wasn't
jovial aurora
no the cope
bitter turtle
I'm not the one complaining about losses
low oar
Y'all are nerds
drifting oak
I actually keep a tally and a notebook lol
terse idol
Its just getting stuck in the back is more liable to make you die
bitter turtle
Bc muh team
vernal harbor
Y'all are nerds
terse idol
And this is coming from my own experience
jovial aurora
huge cope tbh
the "cope" is saying "wspam" when referring to the entirety of the rest of your team
terse idol
Doing your best not to get stuck on a few guys and pushing them away to meet up with you team
drifting oak
i don't have anything against pulling ambients from range in a managable fashion when there isn't an event
when there IS an event and you have zealots fucking diving two waves deep
jovial aurora
just stay with them. most learn this on like g3
drifting oak
while an entire horde is rumbling in from behind
terse idol
Well okay that's a little different
drifting oak
Like even if I'm in cohernecy I can look back down a long hallway and SEE "we got crushers from behind"
low oar
when there IS an event and you have zealots fucking diving two waves deep
I totally do that to get rid of a gun line
bitter turtle
"My team is bad" and "you're just coping for your lack of skill" coming from the same person is an interesting take to say the least
drifting oak
yeah I'm gonna detach from being in coherency while we stomp on a bunch of groaners and shootrs
jovial aurora
no no no lol don't you make me drag the reply down again
terse idol
In an event, I mean its great that your zealots are taking part of that horde while another spawn comes behind because zealots are amazing at wave clear
drifting oak
to go back
terse idol
Then ideally once they're done they go back to help, which isn't far because events are often pretty close together
jovial aurora
it's like watching myself earlier in game
drifting oak
people just aren't aware of anything that isn't immediately stabbing them in the ass and that's hilarious
jovial aurora
used to get big mad about people running ahead and cope that it wasn't a me thing
drifting oak
the number of times I've died stupidly somehow so I get to watch through someone's eyes
and then I watch a psyker literally S-dodge backwards 20 times until he hits a crusher with his ass because he never once looked backward
jovial aurora
pretty sure it's fairly common place in the beginning of the endgame
terse idol
the number of times I've died stupidly somehow so I get to watch through someone...
It is what it isss
bitter turtle
I'm gonna echo what was said before BTW
Anyone that complains incessantly about their team in this game needs to take a look in the mirror when it's soloable lol
There's a reason I don't in fact come here to moan about muh team
jovial aurora
I'm gonna echo what was said before BTW
Anyone that complains incessantly about...
heyyyy
i said something along those lines
drifting oak
if I wanted to solo I'd play solo
thick wolf
so far my experience with randoms has been mostly been good, if that's any consolation
jovial aurora
drifting oak
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that teams have some amount of situational awareness
thick wolf
I'm kinda surprised really
jovial aurora
if I wanted to solo I'd play solo
then move with your team
terse idol
Well it is
jovial aurora
bitter turtle
Who has less situational awareness I wonder
3 ppl moving together or the 1 guy running backwards
drifting oak
move with the team down a drop while we have crushers-spawn up and then act surprised when we fucking die with our backs to the wall because o dropping crushers
👍
terse idol
You lose youre team when you move back out of coherence because a small group of groaners spawned behind you
And you were the only one to go back
drifting oak
I can walk and shoot a bunch of shitty trash
terse idol
That's my personal experience to learn out of
drifting oak
I can't shoot a bunch of crushers and I'm going to spam pings about it
(unless I'm playing plasma or helbore but that's different)
terse idol
No no wait
drifting oak
team should be aware of it
jovial aurora
your original comment was that people w spam while shit spawns behind YOU
drifting oak
yeah
terse idol
Wven with a pgun if you get tricked into running back you'll get caught alone
jovial aurora
you are the problem
drifting oak
shit will spawn behind the whole team
and then people insist on pulling with a huge ball of incoming elites
already on their way
and then they get double stuffed
terse idol
Yess because that's how you make progress
drifting oak
and act surprised "wow they really buffed the director huh"
bitter turtle
Tbh I don't understand the problem u have if ur willing to run back and kill stuff just kill it and catch up
delicate estuary
Best you can do with armour behind your team with a horde is to delay. Throw a shredder between set intervals to delay as much as possible, eventually the front side will be cleared out
terse idol
Because the director is still gonna spawn things behind and in front and if you move back
bitter turtle
I don't agree with running back but even supposing u only have melee
terse idol
Its still just gonna spawn things
drifting oak
no you idiots there was an audible sound cue and I pinged the nicoming crushers coming down the hallway an eon ago but the psyker was too busy brainbursting poxwalkers in the front
bitter turtle
Just go back and kill them and catch up
Wtf is the problem lol
If ur good like u say I mean
terse idol
Secone I will say this isn't an exhaustive list because there are situations where you might go back to hold a better choke for a spec wave
But it is always best to keep moving forward
vernal harbor
Knock on wood I never get these players in these stories
drifting oak
biggest reason to not take a shitty drop or door
hear a thousand bursters before you move through a checkpoint/
yeah maybe stop to let them catch up, shoot them, then walk through the checkpoint
terse idol
Yeah thats valjd
drifting oak
else you can get the hilarious "four bursters on the otherside of the checkpoint door" moment
delicate estuary
But it is always best to keep moving forward
No I refuse. Team doesn't loot they get to enjoy me dragging every special to them
jovial aurora
Knock on wood I never get these players in these stories
i see the one's that die alot when they hang behind tryna "snipe" and "stuff that we ran past" killed them
vernal harbor
yeah maybe stop to let them catch up, shoot them, then walk through the checkpoi...
LOUDER BECAUSE NO ONE FUCKING UNDERSTAND
drifting oak
undewa-what
bitter turtle
Knock on wood I never get these players in these stories
Same tbh
Guess I'm just lucky
low oar
I am the player in these stories
drifting oak
i mean I get +singledigit truelevels queuing up for maelstrom-with-everything
and then dying to poxwalkers
low oar
I have no fucking clue what's going on
drifting oak
you see all kinds
jovial aurora
Yeah thats valjd
he's just reeling. his original rant was about everyone leaving him behind to push forward and him killing stuff that spawns by him lol
vernal harbor
I’ll hold up (im cadian I’ll be alright) and wait for the 7 elites who just sounded off behind us while they impatiently run ahead into a horde like do you guys want these 7 elites to add on to the horde you are fighting in why the fuck are you upset I’m not diving in that with you
drifting oak
he's just reeling. his original rant was about everyone leaving him behind to pu...
happens all the time bb
thick rose
everyone earns the right to be annoyed and vent, just dont engage. let them have their medicine.
drifting oak
like most of the time scoreboards are close enough to say "eh it's fine"
this is not a fine scoreboard
vernal harbor
Teams fine
iron marten
can I have that team good sir
bitter turtle
U only outdps by 100 or 200k at most that's actually fair
drifting oak
the notes on this game was literally "team doesn't know how to look backwards"
jovial aurora
yeah that's honestly fine lol did you just wanna post executioner getting high damage stat?
vernal harbor
Mf you have notes
drifting oak
every time they all died
was because I finally caught up with them... with the rest of the tailing elites
jovial aurora
i mean evidently so did you
iron marten
can I have your team though, I get these teams lol
drifting oak
that's just a 3 death team, one guy on the struggle bus and 1 guy who died once
jovial aurora
was because I finally caught up with them... with the rest of the tailing elites
what if you never lost coherency tho
drifting oak
https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-research-gif-10381154
I save full game footage too, sometimes I go bakc and review "was that really a silent special (confirmed with spidey sense mod)"
(answer is very often yes)
drifting oak
what if you never lost coherency tho
then the team would've gotten fucked by 4 crushers + all the horde
bitter turtle
Like
drifting oak
not 1 crusher + some of the horde
vernal harbor
What if you’re running max toughness + reduction grenadier braced autogun and do whatever the fuck you want because you can clutch the world
bitter turtle
100k or 200k behind is perfectly fine lol
Idk what ur complaining about on that team
thick wolf
is it just me or is it fun injecting stims to your teammates
jovial aurora
then the team would've gotten fucked by 4 crushers + all the horde
i mean the numbers don't really speak anything
drifting oak
them dying
bitter turtle
drifting oak
to completely preventable stuff
drifting oak
and the specials killed count makes it clear that I had rearguard that entire game with the massively padded specials killcount
jovial aurora
i mean
vernal harbor
You got a discord notification
drifting oak
i'm not bragging about special kils because yes you do farm them if you're in the back
bitter turtle
You got a discord notification
I didn't notice thanks
vernal harbor
Ey np
jovial aurora
youd be terrible if you didn't have high special count
might even be higher if you maintained coherency
iron marten
ngl, the main reason I leave coherency is cause of plasteel lol
but I'm confident enough to be able to solo back to my team if need
jovial aurora
a true gentlemen
bitter turtle
It's OK to be a plasteel goblin unless u die
potent iris
coherency matters exceedingly little tbh
bitter turtle
Then shame 😔
vernal harbor
If you running survivalist you are the coherency they’ll follow you anywhere for that sweet ammo
jovial aurora
coherency matters exceedingly little tbh
by coherency we mean just staying in the same general area as your team
drifting oak
yeah the guy trying to turn "maybe if you just stayed in coherency" into a catchphrase is on something
bitter turtle
Ur the one literally complaining that ur team abandoned u
vernal harbor
coherency matters exceedingly little tbh
jovial aurora
by coherency we mean just staying in the same general area as your team
cuz he talking about being far enough away for shit spawned not to be noticed
drifting oak
Ur the one literally complaining that ur team abandoned u
because if they stayed within 1 group of enemies distance they wouldn't be overpulling
but they're not
bitter turtle
Like I said the only time I'd be sympathetic is if u had 3knife users and ur on slow weapons
drifting oak
they're going 2 deep by taking bad drops or by going into melee and then shooting past
and then running some more
when there's ALREADY an audible cue of
"hey you have enemies coming"
vernal harbor
I mean if I’m leaving coherency all the time what the fuck would be the point of my coherency buffs to my boys
Might as well do inf weapon spec
drifting oak
(they're coming from behind, because that's what they do, and if you actually believe that enemies don't spawn from behind if you're all in cohernecy, maybe you should... gasp... record your gameplay and take notes)
bitter turtle
U can't wait for specialist cues to stop on auric mael
drifting oak
(or just have more than 2 braincells)
potent iris
fuck the boys, we ball
bitter turtle
They don't stop on some modifiers
Lol
U just have to go
And watch your back while killing
jovial aurora
Might as well do inf weapon spec
i played with 4 VOC vets earlier lmao shit was just dummy ez
drifting oak
yeah but you can often tell when specs are coming from a mile away
vernal harbor
fuck the boys, we ball
potent iris
drifting oak
i'm not saying you hear 1 mutie coming from narnia so you run backwards to melee it
vernal harbor
i played with 4 VOC vets earlier lmao shit was just dummy ez
LETS GET TO THE KI- IWANNA SEE EM- MOW EM DOW-
bitter turtle
Again I don't understand the problem then, just kill them and catch up if ur as good as u say
jovial aurora
i played with 4 VOC vets earlier lmao shit was just dummy ez
well one was bear zealot but he was dressed as a vet and that perks really just a different spin on voc
drifting oak
the problem is that overpulling WHILE there is enemy from behind literally makes it harder than having to play solo
vernal harbor
Again I don't understand the problem then, just kill them and catch up if ur as ...
This honesty when I leave coherency I just walk through the shit that comes for me with a breeze
But only I can do that
My teammates not allowed
They’ll fuck it up I know it
drifting oak
because now they're all fucking dead up front, and I'm still fighting in the back, and now I have to deal with all the shit they overpulled too, and usually I just fucking give up because I'm 100% done with the team
jovial aurora
honestly i've never had issues with overpulling from a team that just moves forward all the time
jovial aurora
more issues from hanging out tempting the difficulty director lmao
vernal harbor
drifting oak
than a team of "3 idiots who don't realize what the ARRRRRRRRRGH sound cue means"
jovial aurora
man
just stay with your team. they not idiots for bunching up lol
it's that easy
vernal harbor
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH‼️ ARYGHHHHHHHHHHH⁉️UHHFGGGGHHHHAAHHHH❗️❗️
jovial aurora
whole ass game and half it's perks literally encourage not lolligagging
bitter turtle
Tbh
drifting oak
if I wanted to play solo, I would download a mod for it
I can do clutches but I don't sign up for that experience by default and frankly speaking I would rather just die and get a new lobby for teams that are making my gameplay experience more miserable
again
vernal harbor
Eh they encourage teamwork
vernal harbor
Go as fast or slow as you want just look out for one another a bit
If two guys break off and the other runs away, chase the solo, simple as
bitter turtle
Regardless of whether I agree with u or not
Sounds like u just need to stop worrying about what ur team is doing right or wrong
drifting oak
like a good team, I can hear the spawn, I turn around, I see crushers walking down the long hallway, I spam "I need help" and enemy tag and make a break for it
potent iris
when I play I basically just try to stick to wherever the majority are at
bitter turtle
Unironically it's probably making u have less fun lol
drifting oak
and literally everyone kills them together in ~10 seconds and it's done
bitter turtle
U posted that screencap about ur bad team
That's unironically a team I would have said
drifting oak
instead of it taking a full minute or more because I'm having to weave powersword hits in between overheads
a lot of overheads
bitter turtle
Wow they did ok
drifting oak
i mean I'm watching the clip I explicitly exported of it
jovial aurora
like a good team, I can hear the spawn, I turn around, I see crushers walking do...
literally never seen a team of crushers come from behind a team that's moving unless you're balled up for a push
drifting oak
the moment I was 100% sick of their shit
honestly now that mention it
the scoreboard is definitely fine
jovial aurora
idk man just try sticking with your team maybe
drifting oak
there was just one moment in that game specifically that really ticked me off
bitter turtle
OK even if they actually did something wrong at that moment (idk bc I didn't see it)
Ppl make mistakes lol
drifting oak
the whole 'hey guys maybe realize there are crushers behind instead of - annnnd they pulled an entire gunner squad from a distance"
"annnnd now they're running forward into it"
bitter turtle
And ur literally malding
drifting oak
"okay I'm gonna keep kiting these crushers"
bitter turtle
When they actually did decent as a whole
drifting oak
"Okay I met up with you and now literally everyone is dead and I'm standing in two gunner squads with half a crusher wave still up"
jovial aurora
problem is you should've never left lol
your original rant was about w spammers as a generalization now you just making it about this one perfect storm scenario
drifting oak
"people make mistakes" is for things like "I meleed a barrel during a horde" or "I dodged badly against a box and got netted" or "my teammates changed their mind about a burster at the VERY LAST SECOND and I shot it off of them while they suddenly changed from running backward to running forward"
"people make mistakes" isn't "hey I pinged these nemies some 10-15 seconds in advance and y'all kept doing your own thing and now you're all dead"
bitter turtle
jovial aurora
idk man. like i and many others have said if your whole ass team is seperated from you that's not a them thing lol
vernal harbor
Mf debate I’m going to bed 🏃♂️
drifting oak
Anyway my downloads are done so I'm gonna go back to playing the actual game
instead of malding on a discord
jovial aurora
kk. go forth, and spawn more trash mobs from lingering and blame your team for it
🤌 🤌
sonic elk
GIVE EM THE OL KASRKIN DOUBLE TAP!
jovial aurora
anyway
i really enjoy the mkvii devils claw now that i got one with some synergy
fucker is a lawn mower
thick rose
you go wrath and savage sweep?
jovial aurora
you go wrath and savage sweep?
i don't have many g4 blessings so i was happy with what the milk man bestowed upon me
devastating strike is weird. it's pretty much up more than it isn't on my build
went with unarmored and flak so i can quickly mow shit down and pull out the revolver for the mix-ins
i wish it was a four but at this point in my dorktide career beggars can't be choosers
sharp ember
i finally witnessed the stagger power of a smoke grenade detonating
it's like
1 shove
maybe not even
1 devil claw light
wanton dawn
I saw a post on reddit from a psyker complaining about smoke. Imagine ppl playing smoke enough for ppl to complain
white minnow
I saw a post on reddit from a psyker complaining about smoke. Imagine ppl playin...
TRUE
the one time i encountered smokes was just somebody playing a seemingly meme build where they mostly ran ahead and stealthed to avoid aggro
and they basically threw their smoke nades off of cooldown
even when it made no sense to throw smoke nadees
sharp ember
I saw a post on reddit from a psyker complaining about smoke. Imagine ppl playin...
you don't get it, now they can't aim their assail knives 
jovial aurora
I saw a post on reddit from a psyker complaining about smoke. Imagine ppl playin...
krak is whack
frank ether
krak is good for many things
nuke monstro
nuke assassination target
nuke the 5 bulwarks+trapper combo before they can fuck up the run
sharp ember
give a bomber some of their own medicine by fastballing a krak into their chest
frank ether
I like to set flamer on fire
wanton dawn
I prefer frags 
sharp ember
smonks nice for disabling line of sight for specials when you're too busy
but yeah i kept encountering situations where a frag would just wipe the whole screen for us
wanton dawn
smonks nice for disabling line of sight for specials when you're too busy
Whom LoS ?
sharp ember
trapper, flamer, doggy, not sure about mutie, all elites
i wasn't paying close enough attention to witness smokes disabling "gap-closer" melee attacks like that one fellow said they did
wanton dawn
I was implying teammates
sharp ember
i crave the equip and toss speed that zealot firebomb gets
i'm doing my best to maximize smonk values but i'm still a frag grenadier at heart
jovial aurora
krak is good for many things
it just checks off that "bossing" section of your build by just existing lol
dire lagoon
Omg that's exactly what I want!
thick wolf
ummmm, shit?
dark rampart
For spending melk bucks? Yeah
thick wolf
it isn't even melk bucks
dark rampart
Then just shit
thick wolf
bastard still hadn't reset my contracts
dark rampart
It's Mondays
Imo stats don't matter nearly as much as perks/blessings do
I won't spend plasteel unless I see a decent perk by blue and a decent blessing on purple
drifting oak
when the heck are you going to see "decent perk on blue" without spending plasteel to get to blue in the first place
Maybe "decent perk on green" but if you buy from the armory @ blue you're guaranteeing one crap blessing, usually
muted knot
What do you mean stats don't matter ?
untold mulch
What do you mean stats don't matter ? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Threw me into a loop ngl
drifting oak
honestly most guns don't lose breakpoints slipping down to ~60% on their various bars
and you can always check
I'm rocking a 60% damage 60% stopping power mg12 that still hits all the breakpoints the same as my 80-80 with the same build
but like that just saves me ducats mass-buying from brunts
i still had to brick a ton of lasguns before I got a 2/4 perks+blessings one and thus still had to spend a ton of plasteel
flint onyx
I want to believe you, but my brain really wants that god roll though
gray finch
keen skiff
anytime i see an uncollected perk i eat the weapon
still chasing all perks on my chainsword
drifting oak
I want to believe you, but my brain really wants that god roll though
if you have ducats from playing damnation you'll have infinite ducats compared to plasteel ANYWAY
flint onyx
Yes, but I don't have infinite luck 
and I'm still new so I want to try several different weapons
drifting oak
no, what I mean is you'll be so bottlenecked on plasteel you really don't need to worry about not having enough ducats to get a perfect-distributed 380 grey
flint onyx
So far I didn't have good luck with rolling greys, which is also good in a way, because it saved me plasteel
dire lagoon
wew just got this as damnation run reward, what is best pair with power cycle?
thick rose
what do I put on a mk4 (old-one) chaxe?
drifting oak
IMO headtaker + brittleness on hit
thick rose
do you just lean into the rev or can you build it for spam?
drifting oak
light spam is unironically faster TTK than rev against many elites
safer, more consistent, you don't get cucked on damage if you have to dodge
thick rose
mmm
drifting oak
hitting a mauler with multiple lights will soften it up and stack up headtaker and suddenly it just falls over
same with crushers
thick rose
is slaughterer worth or head better?
drifting oak
also the light spam causes ragers to enter the "wargrglrgele" stun state
thick rose
assuming you want the brittle no matter
drifting oak
so you can do things like lightspam one rager while dodging the other's attacks
flint onyx
wew just got this as damnation run reward, what is best pair with power cycle?
Brutal momentum, iirc
drifting oak
chainaxe4 is now actually a sick weapon
for power swords, it's bromentum if you plan on utilizing the perfectly horizontal attack of the give npowersword regularly
if you don't, there's a decent argument for slaughterer
thick rose
so thunderous + headtaker and what... maniac carapace/flak ?
drifting oak
but you SHOULD be aiming for heads so you SHOULD be using bromentum
I do flak maniac myself, unyielding is mostly a meme and carapace isn't really that much of an improvement given that you already lightspam crushers to death fairly easily and even though 25% damage seems like it should be a lot... ehhhhhh...?
I don't notice losing damage on it but I do notice when hordes of flak trash take longer, when meleeing scab shooters takes longer
thick rose
plus im gonna be using a gunthat can carapace too and I never want to melee crushers if I can help it XD
im excited
the 2 IV I had happened to be thunderous / headtaker
drifting oak
noice
drifting oak
the diff between thunderous 3 and 4 is not that pronounced
8% against specials will do literally nothing with the targets you will be swinging it at, slap on maniac and you can change it around depending on how you feel
someone I play with swears by unarmored on it? I think it gives you 1-tap scab melee heads (which are unarmored) with zero headtaker stacks, which is... well it's something
also better performance against dreg bruiser hordes while heavy-spamming
but like, eh
thick wolf
Still got two more to go. Man I'm not sure if I'm ready for Damnation
thick rose
nothing to lose
flint onyx
Still got two more to go. Man I'm not sure if I'm ready for Damnation
Do you survive most of your heresy missions without dying a lot? Then you are ready for damnation
thick wolf
hi-intensity is the one I'm currently struggling with
which is funny since my first heresy run was hi-intensity fog thanks to quickplay, somehow it ended up well despite dying a lot
I was fucking unprepared
drifting oak
only way to get used to damnation is to play on damnation
flint onyx
Maybe try to find low-int to get used to the higher health in damnation first, if you want to be really careful
drifting oak
everyone gets the culture shock at least once
you'll get broken out of some things you can get away with on lower diffs... and, uh playing vet, you might find yourself picking up new habits that you normally wouldn't be able to do on lower diffs lol
infinite ammo from scavenger kek
flint onyx
Damnation also has a higher chance of having better teammates who can carry you a little, no harm in trying
thick rose
good chance youll wonder why you didnt move up sooner tbh
main thing is if you are comfortable inside hordes not taking chip dmg
in dam games I reckon usually the other 3 will be able to snipe disablers and shit
alpine nexus
Also, i would argue people are more chill on damnation then heresy. Could just be coincidence.
flint onyx
Also, i would argue people are more chill on damnation then heresy. Could just b...
That's also my experience
thick rose
theyll just get you back up
I did a game today with a guy that went down like... 15 times they had 3 wound curios. was pretty funny honestly.
chrome pumice
i just realized Headtaker and Slaughterer are basically the same blessings. more or less
does it stack?
thick rose
kinda makes you wonder
dire lagoon
Just cleared a QM damnation with a lvl 22 and lv 26 lol
quick steeple
hi-intensity is the one I'm currently struggling with
tbh try hardchecking yourself, not necessarily "skill issue" but often its "awarenes issue"
- did i check behind in the last few sec? yes > do it again
- wheres team & where am i
-do you make similar position mistakes (cornerlock etc)
^thats really all the heresy>damnj difference is, you get punished and way more frequently for choices
thick rose
keystonless double rending build
with stacked power?
secret bug with chaxe triggering onslaught please
chrome pumice
OH hell yea those blessing satcks. HAHAH
flint onyx
tbh try hardchecking yourself, not necessarily "skill issue" but often its "awar...
If I am out of positions it's obviously because the team is out of positions
celest vine
Still got two more to go. Man I'm not sure if I'm ready for Damnation
its not as hard as you think
if you can hit your targets with your favorite gun youll do fine
alpine nexus
The step up to heresy is way harder then damnation.
At least that was the case way back for me
quick steeple
id agree from a raw curve standpoint with that ya
untold mulch
Malice -> Heresy is dfefinitely a worse jump than Heresy -> Damnation
quick steeple
however the punish curve id say is the steeper end of heresy>damn, you can get away with a LOT in heresy tbf lol
celest vine
Going from damnation to Auric is the hardest jump
quick steeple
^
celest vine
gotta get used to a perpetual horde spawning
cant just clear it out like you used to
lmao
mourningstar chat is derranged all the time
quick steeple
i can confidently say you really dont lol
untold mulch
Chat being unhinged is the best part of chat
celest vine
A zealot just called him the N word so
fleet garden
nurgle?
frank ether
tbh try hardchecking yourself, not necessarily "skill issue" but often its "awar...
if you do a 180 fast enough you'll catch AI director spawning/teleporting enemies behind you
quick steeple
al lthe time lol
quick steeple
game theory
frank ether
just being paranoid and abusing survivable builds is the way
untold mulch
if you do a 180 fast enough you'll catch AI director spawning/teleporting enemie...
DUDE
THe carnival? the drop halfway through
I jumped, looked left to the box I do one step foward
3 dregs spawn in my FOV
frank ether
main reason imo shit like exec or brain burst fell out of favor, you can't just control the map or positioning
untold mulch
The director has no safe zones is stupid af
finite carbon
thick wolf
frank ether
DUDE
THe carnival? the drop halfway through
I jumped, looked left to the box *...
Its sort of a problem when sound doesnt work
untold mulch
Its sort of a problem when sound doesnt work
No shit
frank ether
otherwise its preferrable
untold mulch
Spidey sense mod is carrying my ass
untold mulch
by actually letting me see the audio
frank ether
from ranged player perspective
what it means is that
sightlines, positioning etc
mostly worthless
frank ether
just kiting is where its at
frank ether
Idk if its intentional or a bug of the system
untold mulch
True, though has been since release
frank ether
cause sometimes I'll have poxwalkers teleport like 2m behind me
and I'm like ???
I mean enemy ambush is an intended mechanic but I'd think it would have a minimum distance away from players
which it usually does to be fair
quick steeple
the odd case where i can remember that it seems to be client-svr latency
frank ether
I broke my last mouse cable over doing panic 180 swings with helbore
I'm a low sens gamer, its not good for my wallet
actually convinced me to go wireless
quick steeple
i was gonna say, wireless is fine
untold mulch
I need to think of changing to wireless, but I like the wire, and I assume battery is an issue
frank ether
I got a viper v2 on sale
fiery lagoon
I need to think of changing to wireless, but I like the wire, and I assume batte...
You could also use rechargeable battery, my last set lasted me 4 years
quick steeple
^ logi gpro/g502
fleet garden
bought it off a sale for like 60% off
frank ether
it was like 3x the price of this viper at the time of my purchase
quick steeple
it was too tiny for my hands but its good HW for sure
fleet garden
logitech mice and keyboards are nice but headsets are hot trash
quick steeple
I need to think of changing to wireless, but I like the wire, and I assume batte...
pretty much any decent wireless mouse these days is rechargable /usb and-or wireless induction mouosepad compatible
fiery lagoon
The keyboards suck, romer g switches were trash
frank ether
I need to think of changing to wireless, but I like the wire, and I assume batte...
I can't speak for all models but I only have to charge mine in like, every 4-5 days, for an hour or two.
untold mulch
pretty much any decent wireless mouse these days is rechargable /usb and-or wire...
Ohh I didn't think of wireless induction
frank ether
doesn't seem too bad though ofc battery can degrade if user abuses it
quick steeple
I can't speak for all models but I only have to charge mine in like, every 4-5 d...
def model dependent, my 7yr old gpro wireless i still have for work doesnt need more than a charge per month lol
quick steeple
forsure ya
fleet garden
worst case scenario if you can solder you can swap the battery
quick steeple
worst case scenario if you can solder you can swap the battery
iirc most of the logis dont even require soldering now?
frank ether
dont think my specific model needs soldering thankfully
quick steeple
swapped a 502 lightspeed from a few yrs ago the other week and took maybe 10 mins
fleet garden
iirc most of the logis dont even require soldering now?
if you want to swap for another battery on the superlight or superligh 2 you have to soldier
but these batteries last for years
quick steeple
if you want to swap for another battery on the superlight or superligh 2 you hav...
ah superlight id expect that ya
fleet garden
I have a 100% functional g pro but wanted a usb c cable and I wanted a red mouse
now im waiting for my new headphones and amp
quick steeple
I have a 100% functional g pro but wanted a usb c cable and I wanted a red mouse
newerlogis have transitioned to c 🙂
radiant plank
how bricked is this
fleet garden
newerlogis have transitioned to c 🙂
yep
I went all out and spent way too much money but oh well it will last me decades
frank ether
how bricked is this
you're fine
change crit to maniac
sustained fire to dumdum
done
quick steeple
^^
radiant plank
frank ether
''shooting enemies in the back'' means 180 degrees
radiant plank
raking fire feels so situational though
frank ether
its easier than you think
radiant plank
quick steeple
raking fire feels so situational though
its half of the possible engagement directions not directly behind
frank ether
with bosses and stuff it adds a ton of dps when its facing someone else
quick steeple
^
radiant plank
mmm ayt i'll get a bit more plasteel and modify it accordingly
frank ether
raking/dumdum is how I use mine
quick steeple
even things like a crusher/bulwark, sidestep while the aggro fwd and brun em down instantly from the side
radiant plank
fleet garden
that img wont load but im guessing its a columnus 5
untold mulch
It also synergizes really well for infiltrate if you use that
Mhmm
Pop infiltrate, run behind enemy, 10 seconds to shoot befoee you become priority target
quick steeple
no close-range cap either on the massive dmg buff
quick steeple
Pop infiltrate, run behind enemy, 10 seconds to shoot befoee you become priority...
hell even just VoC shout wave is usually enough lol
frank ether
thats what I like the most about raking/dumdum combo, very straightforward
quick steeple
man after my own columnurgle
quick steeple
i aint clicking that...
untold mulch
Scrap code 
dusty sluice
least buggy discord moment
quick steeple
disc has been struggglin a bit today ya
quick steeple
let it simmer its server-side, my mod tools in a few other game discs been buggin out the past 2 hrs from it XD
thick rose
huh
old chaxe is great
heavy spam is good horde clear. its fun getting special attack on light feel without having to press thumb button over and over.
good. and feels good.
quick steeple
good. and feels good.
now just give a mauler-length chaxe polearm plsss
frank basin
got this as a eg, could it be useable?
Discord currently embedded not loading since they are investigating
silk nexus
wanton dawn
Indeed, image does not work
zenith hinge
anyone able to tell me what suppression really does?
eternal sable
is anyone having lag problems with youtube?
i have super fast internet but videos aren't loading
but able to stream HQ twitch streams and netflix
strange sparrow
anyone able to tell me what suppression really does?
On you or on enemy
zenith hinge
both but on players most specifically
strange sparrow
Suppression basically knock back that sway your weapon, but to enemy, it stop them from shooting
Basically it make you more difficult to shoot
zenith hinge
yeah but how cause it doesnt seem to change anything tbh
it's like sway more or less?
quick steeple
what diff you on? its reduced in lower tiers + les mob density means you wont see it as much
zenith hinge
heresy and occassionally damnation
strange sparrow
It’s pretty hard to notice it in general especially if you’re killing gunner
quick steeple
heresy and occassionally damnation
the 2nd? iirc pskyaneim training sim has a suppression example in it if you wanna feel the difference on the wep
1 mob wont suppress you much either, it scales much faster with multiple raining bullets. even then diff weps may may not feel most of it due to their diff suppression values/ archetypes
zenith hinge
It’s pretty hard to notice it in general especially if you’re killing gunner
so not very impactful?
strange sparrow
so not very impactful?
Not really impactful, it’s a QOL talent
A minor QoL talent
fiery plinth
Does anyone have a revolver build?
strange sparrow
flint onyx
Still looks like discord not loading pictures to me
untold mulch
same
strange sparrow
Discord after laying off 17% of their workforces
Expect their thing not to breakdown
untold mulch
Where hellgun
In our hearts as of now
zealous wyvern
hellgun is the friends we made along the way: good for appearances, slow you down, make you wait a lot, will probably cost you
umbral scaffold
it's like sway more or less?
Yeah it's basically pretty silly sway
It's worse and more noticeable if you're using something like a revolver
Where if you're under suppression good luck hitting anything that's not a reaper
But if you have like the plasmagun, the suppression doesn't matter because you're still pinpoint accurate anyway
Or like a br auto which doesn't actually care since you're already inaccurate anyway
umbral scaffold
I am now a Vraks believer
Such a fun gun
why didn't I use this before
I feel heretical now
dusty sluice
this bricked orrrr?
strange sparrow
Look bricked to me
drifting oak
it was bricked at purple
strange sparrow
Super bricked
drifting oak
you should not have upgraded it lol
strange sparrow
4/4 not usable
dusty sluice
4/4 not usable
ah, are bolter perks and blessings different from zealot for vet?
dusty sluice
arguably shouldn't have even upgraded to purple 0/2
for the funy
crude ermine
That was a fun 90% melee scab faction run
strange sparrow
ah, are bolter perks and blessings different from zealot for vet?
Some people prefer Pinning Fire, but Im not into Pinning
crude ermine
Lot of maulers
drifting oak
specialists is a do nothing, crit damage is a do nothign, gloryhunter is pretty donothing doubly so on vet
dusty sluice
Some people prefer Pinning Fire, but Im not into Pinning
what would you use for vet?
strange sparrow
I took Surgical and Shattering Impact for my Zealot, Didn't get to Boltgun yet on Veteran Char
drifting oak
shattering impact is probably the most impactful bolter blessing
flak changes some breakpoints
Honestly beyond those two though, i think it's fairly w/e
crude ermine
we need a new monstrosity
Chaos Marine /j
drifting oak
something like
flak/carapace
shattering impact+pinning fire
carapace optionally swappable to maniac or unyielding, i think someone also said unarmoed actually has some elite breakpoints
for gunner heads or something
strange sparrow
Pinning FIre is alright if you decided to mag dump into waves of Mixed/Elites
dusty sluice
Some people prefer Pinning Fire, but Im not into Pinning
i use shattering + pinning, and elites + unyielding
drifting oak
it's fine because crusher and mauler spawns mid-wave tend to have plenty of poxwalker groupies