Helbore feels cumbersome to use I assume it gets better
#veteran-class
celest vine
crude ermine
Revolver?
celest vine
New knife
wraith locust
vet stringest class
celest vine
thanks brunt
empty root
I don't understand revolver on vet. Feels very much like a sidearm. Feels a lot better on zealot.
crude ermine
It really depends build wide
wraith locust
I don't understand revolver on vet. Feels very much like a sidearm. Feels a lot ...
play vet like you play your zealot
mostly melee
peak plinth
vet needs a bolt pistol
wraith locust
and revolver that you never have to reload
vet is arguably just as strong if not stronger in melee than zealot
crude ermine
This is what I like to run revolver with
empty root
What's a good melee weapon with revolver
wraith locust
What's a good melee weapon with revolver
psword, rashad are my gotos
empty root
Chainsword?
steep pier
Satisfying I shot one charged shot from pg killed the bulwark and the 5 charging muties with the one trigger pull
crude ermine
Chainsword?
Chainsword can work
Not as well as the aforementioned but it'll still do nice
empty root
How is vet better melee than zealot
wraith locust
voc, right side
frank basin
Needteran
frank basin
Pc?
frank basin
Oh
fading grove
For revolver vet I use executioners stance with refresh, this basically lets me hunt specials and elites that won’t touch the team, as well as running Allie’s being able to see outlines to keep them prepared
steep pier
I should probably try exe over shout
frank basin
Sometime you won’t hit them when they are in cover or peak of wall.
gritty dock
I had this happen 1-2 times. You just run the game again and it's fine.
crude ermine
I can't believe our psyker fucked it up so hard
fading grove
Sometime you won’t hit them when they are in cover or peak of wall.
Would also recommend graia braced with a exec build incredibly fun and basically unlimited walls for the team if you choose ranged targets to be marked as well since regular enemies refresh it.
tranquil bronze
Deci IV dropped off of mission... gonna add that to the pool
crude ermine
I go to free the ogryn, unfortunately get trapped, the psyker literally just needs to get me up and I'll shout and rez ogryn, kills the trapper and is worried about a flamer that fell over, gets me up only AFTER 4 poxbursters show up
frank basin
Would also recommend graia braced with a exec build incredibly fun and basically...
I have this unfinished speaking Graia braced https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079235834777186406/1195535925258748034/image.png?ex=65b45898&is=65a1e398&hm=6d4397fe53cb9be57c287c09a1591908fe1a3e72c68a32db406a00118d1c6268&
crude ermine
No I'm not using the shout revive talent btw
That would be even bigger trolling lmao
fading grove
I have this unfinished speaking Graia braced https://media.discordapp.net/attach...
Speedload isn’t bad tbh
steep pier
that's a new gun?
fading grove
No
frank basin
Speedload isn’t bad tbh
Then to flak stamina then
fading grove
I just want a proper LMG for vet
steep pier
Would make me feel lazy
fading grove
It sucks they nerfed the recon las guns recharge time for crits to not consume ammo, they where actually viable
steep pier
I'm using pg
frank basin
Is feel machine gun for recon shock trooper
junior needle
It sucks they nerfed the recon las guns recharge time for crits to not consume a...
Not so much a recharge time but an interaction with crit strings
stuck glacier
does the bayonett Helbore Lasguns count as melee, and does it get all of the melee buffs?
tall torrent
Yea but they actually play differently lol
sonic marlin
i don't get it, how do u get that dmg, ive seen people oneshot bosses with backstab but that was a zealot
tall torrent
does the bayonett Helbore Lasguns count as melee, and does it get all of the mel...
Yes
The only thing it doesn’t activate is weapon specialist
sonic marlin
what autoguns do yall like, so far my most used is Columnus mk5
eternal sable
molten hound
which one is best for general pub games you guys reckon
fading grove
what autoguns do yall like, so far my most used is Columnus mk5
MK1 fucks hard
cloud current
which one is best for general pub games you guys reckon
the 2nd one easily
thick wolf
What's a good melee weapon with revolver
Shovel
molten hound
the 2nd one easily
the brutal momentum makes it stand out?
cloud current
oh wait there's three
thick wolf
Shovel is too good for crowd control and general knocking off people to the floor
Also the funny spike
cloud current
I'd still say the 2nd
that's what I'd use, unarmoured bonus damage is completely wasted
gritty dock
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the Mk III Power Sword and the Mk VI?
sonic marlin
MK1 fucks hard
MK1 what
sonic marlin
agripinaa?
fading grove
Ye
molten hound
that's what I'd use, unarmoured bonus damage is completely wasted
gotcha thanks snake
zenith hinge
infantry lasgun fucks 
dire lagoon
What is the most effective horde clear weapon besides psword?
zenith hinge
What is the most effective horde clear weapon besides psword?
first shovel
it's so good
better at crowd clear
dire lagoon
What about the claw sword? I saw it's first three light swings are cleave.
cloud current
gotcha thanks snake
disclaimer I don't know shit ok
gritty dock
first shovel
And which model of shovel for hordes is the best?
thick wolf
Any shovel
molten hound
disclaimer I don't know shit ok
LOL nah youre algood
thick wolf
Sapper Shovel however has the spike
zenith hinge
What about the claw sword? I saw it's first three light swings are cleave.
claw swords are a little weakened overall to make up for the fact they have the powerful parry, but all their attacks are pretty mixed between cleave and single target
zenith hinge
And which model of shovel for hordes is the best?
the first one, munitorum
thick wolf
Spike which makes it so at least you have a fighting chance against specials
Also the meme of one hit killing a mutant with it
zenith hinge
Spike which makes it so at least you have a fighting chance against specials
clearly you havent used the first shovel
raw steppe
What about the claw sword? I saw it's first three light swings are cleave.
Claw is good
thick wolf
The Sapper Shovels already have good crowd control
viral nacelle
Rashad 2 and power sword also pretty solid
zenith hinge
the sapper shovels have less crowd control and clear for more single target
viral nacelle
Claw is awesome except against crusher
Which is generally what you need in auric mael lmao
zenith hinge
you can parry crushers though
viral nacelle
you can parry crushers though
Yeah but like they’re still alive is the issue
zenith hinge
also your gun or grenade can often cover crushers for you
viral nacelle
Right so for plasma claw is bae
zenith hinge
ye
dire lagoon
I was thinking I want max horde clear on melee because my gun easily handles everything else.
dire lagoon
Yeah can
zenith hinge
I was thinking I want max horde clear on melee because my gun easily handles eve...
this 
munitorum shovel is bae af
zenith hinge
use it in every build because my guj always covers everything else
except crushers for my laspistol build but a combat stimm or enough time will do the trick
tiny summit
Munitorum shovel is a good "get the fuck off me" stick
zenith hinge
it's so good
tiny summit
Got a mk3 folding shovel. 2 taps crushers with the flip. Had hammerblow 4 on it and it's lights handles the horde well.
thick wolf
I wish I hadn't discovered shovels sooner
Because I can't try out my combat knife properly anymore without
Meh, shovel
zenith hinge
yeaaaa they're hard to avoid
tiny summit
Oh yea munitorum heavies handle the hordes very well. But yea with hammerblow 4 lights on the mk3 knock near everything on its ass
tall torrent
Combat knife is very weird for veteran
thick wolf
It feels like Zealot would have a field day with the British culture device
tall torrent
Knife zealot is very strong if u know what ur doing with it
tiny summit
Someone at fatshark loves krieg and another hates recon
thick wolf
It ain't full love until we get shovel bayonets
jaunty tinsel
A recon main stole his girlfriend.
strange sparrow
Someone at fatshark loves krieg and another hates recon
Make no sense cuz hellbore iron
near shore
i don't get it, how do u get that dmg, ive seen people oneshot bosses with backs...
Mega stacking lol and perks / blessings
tiny summit
Nah. Irons good and authentic experience
tranquil bronze
Knife zealot is very strong if u know what ur doing with it
Seen that in action earlier today. Guy is a ninja.
thick wolf
Does said zealot look like a homeless crackhead
tranquil bronze
Funnily enough, yes.
hollow ibex
how's graia iag now these days?
crude ermine
The ogryns can be fun sometimes
stuck glacier
The only thing it doesn’t activate is weapon specialist
what about the trench fighter 10% speed?
tall torrent
what about the trench fighter 10% speed?
Not very sure about that one because it normally has such a fast attack speed it’s hard to notice a difference
near shore
The ogryns can be fun sometimes
I love in character ogryn
torpid pier
I can confirm that Ogryn players are the best
even though they eat half my bullets i still like it when I have one in my team
tall torrent
any of these good? They are all 370+
U gotta show the stat roll, perk & blessing
sonic marlin
U gotta show the stat roll, perk & blessing
can't you reroll perks/blessings tho?
tall torrent
can't you reroll perks/blessings tho?
Yes, but if the perk & blessing are bad, they’re halfway bricked
tranquil bronze
Hot damn
sonic marlin
what do i do with the rest
tranquil bronze
what do i do with the rest
Sell the rest, keep that best.
sonic marlin
how do i sell lol
tranquil bronze
Press x when selected
steep pier
it depends on stats not just power lvl
tranquil bronze
Just don't sell the good one
tranquil bronze
it depends on stats not just power lvl
Yeah but he a good one
sonic marlin
so now i upgrade it to transcendent and roll for good perks/blessings right?
steep pier
its 2 blessings that are random you can change one not both and you offer up weapons to collect the blessings
near shore
so now i upgrade it to transcendent and roll for good perks/blessings right?
Are you lvl 30
steep pier
one at blue one at orange
sonic marlin
yes
sonic marlin
near shore
Don't forget, usually it's not about numbers but stat disruption
sonic marlin
how is it
waxen abyss
Gotta question for you survivalist vets
how do you find so much ammo
When do you pick it up
I never see any of you actually bend down and pick up them bullets
near shore
Replace punishing salvo and unarmored
waxen abyss
you guys sure you ain't psykers
near shore
Manic dmg or flak
tranquil bronze
For CIAG, you'll want Dumdum and Deathspitter blessings
sonic marlin
Manic dmg or flak
are those the best perks?
near shore
are those the best perks?
So maniac is good so is flak, although if you wanna take crit dmg or stamina ( if you're doing dead shot) is good
Then fire frenzy is good and death spitter
near shore
idk whats deadshot
Check your skills,it's at the lower part
tranquil bronze
Dammit Brunt... you're a dissapointment to your momma.
near shore
It consume stamina for stability and crit chance
near shore
Dammit Brunt... you're a dissapointment to your momma.
It's not horrible,I'd do the job
near shore
Grind
tranquil bronze
It's not horrible,I'd do the job
Even if stopping power is 1 below 70?
sonic marlin
for what
near shore
Even if stopping power is 1 below 70?
Optimal rolls won't make you win,skill and practice will
tranquil bronze
Hmm... I suppose I can still salvage it
near shore
for what
At this point, enjoy the game for real. Grind for the best weapon, enjoy the gameplay. Start a new class. There's no wrong way to enjoy it,have fun
sonic marlin
i gotta find out what im gonna use for melee
near shore
Hmm... I suppose I can still salvage it
You want crit chance on weakness hit and weak spot crit dmg
near shore
i gotta find out what im gonna use for melee
Devil claw is great
near shore
Fair,devil claw,chain axe,chain sword
Here's the thing
Most things are usable, don't let someone bring you down. Use what you like,with enough practice anything is good
sonic marlin
i basically want stuff that will save me in a 'oh fuck' moment when im being overrun
near shore
i basically want stuff that will save me in a 'oh fuck' moment when im being ove...
Devil claw
It'll parry everything
sonic marlin
why 4 over 7
tranquil bronze
@near shoreWhat's the blessings recommended for Devil Claw?
junior needle
Hmm... I suppose I can still salvage it
Might want to check the calc and see if you'd miss breakpoints with those stats
near shore
<@1105154963019145306>What's the blessings recommended for Devil Claw?
Uhhh I use cleave and dmg
junior needle
<@1105154963019145306>What's the blessings recommended for Devil Claw?
Rampage and something else, there's a few options
You need to use heavies to proc rampage
near shore
Specifically 3 hits for 200% cleave and 3 hits for 36% dmg
near shore
why 4 over 7
Usually attack patterns
junior needle
savage sweep and rampage
near shore
Ya
junior needle
Rampage gives power despite the description apparently
You probably don't need more cleave after rampage
near shore
Well you need to realize that the devil claw isn't killing very quickly, but good in everything besides direct armor
Cleave doesn't hurt
tranquil bronze
For this one, Imma just leave the perks alone and swap both blessings.
sonic marlin
368 good enough?
junior needle
It doesn't hurt, but there can be better options if you're already getting a bunch of it (power gives cleave, damage, stagger)
near shore
368 good enough?
Not exactly about numbers but stat distribution
sonic marlin
near shore
That's good
junior needle
Yeah, you could have a 310 gun with perfect stat distribution and it'd be better than a 380 that dumped damage
tranquil bronze
Damn that's pretty good
near shore
50% is base
sonic marlin
just my mobility is low
near shore
Your mobility is standard
junior needle
Your mobility is fine, you hit the point for extra dodges
eternal sable
junior needle
Just remember that for the mk4, you need to switch between lights and heavies for constant horizontals
sonic marlin
Just remember that for the mk4, you need to switch between lights and heavies fo...
what
near shore
Light + heavy
near shore
Don't be afraid to light spam
junior needle
Just keep in mind that light spam bad against bruisers and you can't proc rampage doing it unless it's already up
Chainsword has a similar problem where the lights can't pierce enough bruisers
So it needs to use heavies (can be a hassle depending on the model) to do it if you don't take wrath
tranquil bronze
Mk II tac axe heavy attacks is a surprisingly good crowd clearer
sonic marlin
got this
sonic marlin
what
last parcel
holy shit
sonic marlin
tranquil bronze
HOW THE FUCK!?
junior needle
Pretty good, you could go infested>unarmored for max bruiser coverage
tranquil bronze
WHY CAN'T I HAVE THAT!?
sonic marlin
so do i have best blessings?
tranquil bronze
You do
junior needle
You'll want to keep rampage always, savage sweep is more interchangeable for other things depending on your needs
sonic marlin
so yall recommend unarmored and flak armored perks
junior needle
Yeah replace unarmored and leave flak as is for horde clear
Then you can leave a change open
Maniac is only useful on melee weapons if you actually melee naked ragers
And they're better off being shot currently
tranquil bronze
Yeah you never want to get into melee range of ragers
junior needle
Their attacks are tagged as undodgeable in the code, which is unique to them
So you can't treat them like other units
They're always liable to chip you if you aren't blocking
sonic marlin
would it hurt if i replaced first perk with sprint efficiency instead of unarmored
junior needle
Yes
torpid sundial
okay which perk is worse: elites or critd?
(replacing sustained -> surgical)
tranquil bronze
Sprint efficiency isn't really useful IIRC
junior needle
Yeah sprint is a waste
Unarmored/flak are the most common armor types for enemies hit in melee
sonic marlin
smh i need to go to sleep, i just missclicked on the perk reroll
tranquil bronze
I should probably swap my tac axe maniac damage to unarmored then...
umbral scaffold
Crushers, mauler heads and reaper shoulders
tranquil bronze
Which perk did you replace?
tranquil bronze
Just replace it again
sonic marlin
yeah sure
terse idol
I think caras better imo
You got a good one there
What are you using unarmoured for?
sonic marlin
horde clearing?
tranquil bronze
Crowd control
terse idol
Dclaw with those blessings is incredible at crowd control already
sonic marlin
k
terse idol
Savage sweep is your crowd clear, dclaw suffers vs crushers and flak but you already got it
sonic marlin
so what perks/blessings do i get here
terse idol
so what perks/blessings do i get here
I will say you want Dumdum swapped for Salvo
But hmm...
Maniac, Flak?
IF you're just doing Perks
Imo
junior needle
so what perks/blessings do i get here
Priority is dumdum>flak/maniac/second blessing
Because dumdum is bugged and much better than the description implies
austere jolt
So, I've been building a Marksman Vet and I've pretty easily found out that the Vraaks MkVII is the superior gun for this build, but I was wondering about the blessings. I figure Surgical is a no brainer, but I had some questions about the second perk. Deadly Accurate gives a 70%-100% increase to critical Weakspot damage. I know crit damage is kind of a joke in itself, but would that high of an increase make it somewhat good on a weapon that's non-stop critting?
junior needle
I'd go punishing>dumdum
spec damage>flak
terse idol
So, I've been building a Marksman Vet and I've pretty easily found out that the ...
Imo you want to go Head hunter, if the vraaks has it
but certainly deadly accurate
tranquil bronze
so what perks/blessings do i get here
For reference
austere jolt
Headhunter over Surgical?
junior needle
Imo you want to go Head hunter, if the vraaks has it
It's a vraks 7
He wants surgical over hh
junior needle
Vraks 3 wants hh
austere jolt
What makes the difference between the 3 and 7?
junior needle
vraks 3 is a 3 round burst that mechanically benefits a lot from HH for that reason
vraks 7 is a single shot
junior needle
Me as I spread incorrect information sometimes 😌
austere jolt
So Deadly Accurate is actually not that bad? I always thought critical damage was calcuted in like...double digit number additions.
Like, a 150 damage hit would become something like 175 with a critical.
terse idol
So Deadly Accurate is actually not that bad? I always thought critical damage wa...
Iirc, Critical damage on Curios only increases the critical damage of the crit
Wow that's something I don't know
austere jolt
It's like...roughly 25% of the damage, I think? I'm no math expert and DT makes it hard to gauge the exact numbers.
But I've seen 50 damage hits become 70ish.
junior needle
So Deadly Accurate is actually not that bad? I always thought critical damage wa...
So both weakspot and crit damage only apply to the bonus damage of the weakspot/crit hit, which is why it usually sucks. Straight damage is always better than it and you need both a large base modifier and a large amount of crit/weakspot damage for acceptable value.
But on finesse guns (with critfishing methods) you get that and deadly gives you a lot of it. It's useful for reaching breakpoints with single shot weapons.
steep pier
just tried the spike shovel its fun
steep pier
nice
i just bought a shovel from the basic shop
and its lowest stat is still a 70
its gonna be a great shovel
jovial aurora
The cleave damage is kinda low on this one but directly made up for by devastating
steep pier
fair
jovial aurora
rampage is a must on devils claw imo
imma run unarmored and maniacs just for horde demolishment
got me revolver for crushers and the like
or should i just keep elites on it and try for a different blessing?
junior needle
You'd want flak/unamored for horde demolishment
Depends on if you can reach bruiser oneshot range
terse idol
Hmm
jovial aurora
imma see how unarmored and maniac feels
terse idol
junior needle
Maniac is only naked ragers for melee units
jovial aurora
they sneak up on me more often than they should
junior needle
And you generally want to avoid fighting them in melee
junior needle
Block, dodge back, pull out your gun
jovial aurora
you can't always dodge out of rager range hoarding
junior needle
You'll get much more value out of flak since most enemies in melee (apart from poxes) are flak/unamored
That's why you block
Their attacks are technically undodgeable
It's a unique trait they have
It has to miss you for you to dodge it
jovial aurora
yee almost as dumb as the ads spacewalking across the floor to hit you when you don't dodge but sprint past them
junior needle
So you can dodge out of the way before it connects, but you can't invuln dodge frame through it
jovial aurora
devils claw do be having parry tho albeit i don't know if it works on their attacks cuz i always forget about it
tbh i was gonna make a mk4 chainsword but this things too ez to pass up especially for milkmoney
terse idol
Parry does work on Ragers, but you'll get hit by their second attack in their combo usuually it seems
Unless you do the weird, parry-parry
junior needle
Mmm, you could do better
You can get a 3/4 out of it but that devastating isn't gonna be great
jovial aurora
shame cuz i've grown accustomed to the overhand strikedown in the mk4 devils claws attack spread
jovial aurora
Mmm, you could do better
literally shut up dude i have like 3 good weapons
let me enjoy it lol
junior needle
literally shut up dude i have like 3 good weapons
cloud current
tranquil bronze
Why am I enjoying the tac axe more than the Rashad?
strange sparrow
Why am I enjoying the tac axe more than the Rashad?
Why not
Preferences of weapon and enjoyment of em is subjective
tranquil bronze
Hell, knife is so much fun.
strange sparrow
I personally hate Psword6 while love dumb Light spam weapon (XIIG)
zenith hinge
anyone had a bug where they spawned in with a different ranged weapon than their loadout stated?
had a game where I chose a new build using a recon but loaded in with a shredder. at the end of the game I checked my loadout and it was in fact a recon
maybe related to swapping through loadouts too quickly? noticed the loadout display can get fucky and show previous loadout equipment it I do it too fast
strange sparrow
anyone had a bug where they spawned in with a different ranged weapon than their...
Kinda sometime
Load out display need some time to update
It’s weird
Especially I was changing them in the loading (the ready screen)
zenith hinge
so if the display is scuffed so is your loadout?
steep pier
I feel bad shoved a poxburster right to where our zealot dropped down and they died
I didn't mean to kill em
But it was funny
Good Shovel it's defense is the lowest ar 71
Not bad
zenith hinge
my favorite troll is using the emperors holy bullets on his most blessed barrels
steep pier
Wasn't trying to do that
But the zealot did die at the very end due to that
I felt so bad
zenith hinge
I know you werent trolling but still funny
steep pier
It was yes
rare pumice
Anybody have a good strategy when trying to complete the “make every shot count” penance?
thick wolf
Revolver
rare pumice
I thought the overwatch penance was bad….this thing is impossible
steep pier
Bad
thick wolf
No scavenger, assassination mission
steep pier
It's not lined up correctly
thick wolf
Do not miss
thick wolf
That penance felt so incredibly easy compared to On Overwatch
rare pumice
Do not miss
I keep missing which is frustrating
thick wolf
If can't aim, shotgun or plasma gun
rare pumice
If can't aim, shotgun or plasma gun
Got it, I’ll give them a try
Should I upgrade them to exalted tier or should I just leave them at their base lvl?
steep pier
Aiming isn't the issue
The new revolver skin isn't lined properly
So it needs a rework
steep pier
The new one in the commissary
thick wolf
Oh, never used it
steep pier
Atm it's bugged
thick wolf
Thought the default colors look fine
steep pier
It breaks the cross hair alignment on revolver
It is
But some people do fashion as end game
thick wolf
I keep missing which is frustrating
General tip if you do want to use revolver, use it for the special enemies, especially to those that stood still
And for assassination missions, you can dump all of your ammo supply on the target's shields
steep pier
I melee the Shield
thick wolf
Yes but shooting at the shields count for the 90% accuracy
rare pumice
General tip if you do want to use revolver, use it for the special enemies, espe...
Thanks for the info, I’ll make sure to keep that in mind
steep pier
true
thick wolf
ranged common mooks also typically don't move if they're shooting
midnight mortar
I keep missing which is frustrating
I'd recommend doing a mission that has a long extraction hallway and spawns only weak enemies. I got that penance with a revolver by doing the smelter forge reactivation mission that finishes with a hallway to an elevator and only spawns poxwalkers.
vernal harbor
assumed i was good now i know im good
mf heresy hero
time to ruin it and gradute to auric damnation only
wanton dawn
I need to recheck but i think it only procs on melee dodge
strange sparrow
assumed i was good now i know im good
Let me know if you ever want someone to help you play auric mission in future, I don't mind being a braindead smite psyker
for the next 4 hours
vernal harbor
will do sah' ive played auric dam many times but its always been a little too 'tense' when im trying to chill
but ive realized ive not lost a heresy or auric heresy in a bit and even more so im just not getting downed anymore and its becoming mundane
but if i get use to auric damnation im afraid ill run out of the adrenaline the game gives
i hated mfs constantly yelling about 'make the game harder' when they have like 1000+ hours but now i can understand where theyre coming from at 600 hours
last parcel
play the game naked
vernal harbor
dicktide
strange sparrow
That's why I play Dome + Warp Siphon Smite Psyker for people having trouble with Auric +
Don't just carry the game by being the most DPS
it just bring the game into like a very boring state
(Totally like Plasma Gameplay)
1 guy kill an entire wave while other 3 just can't do anything
fathom grail
Mf out there claiming to be hardcore but have all the “close to cheating” mods
strange sparrow
Close to cheating?
marble bridge
Mf out there claiming to be hardcore but have all the “close to cheating” mods
tbf i know a few that use the specialist spawn log because the games audio is often enough that it is actually unplayable sometimes
fathom grail
The text one is huge
marble bridge
whatever i came here to say something about how i managed to hit 17k dps against a damnnation plague ogryn with a columnus
this will never work in an actual game but i found it funny
strange sparrow
Sometimes, people argue that information mods are cheating but is it thou
if you say it make the game easier to identify enemy, yeah
jaunty tinsel
Personally, I think so. Awareness is part of the game.
fathom grail
The dodge counter is also huge
jaunty tinsel
However, I don't mind if other people use said mods.
Just as long as it doesn't become expected.
fathom grail
I also don’t care
But when they want things harder with said mods it makes me foam from the mouth
strange sparrow
I don’t really see information mods/dodge counter as cheating considering it only help player to identify resources, I would rather FS make the game harder atm
And implement those mods into the games
It kinda come back to the debate of are we turning the game into no hud only
fathom grail
No hud should be vanilla 
austere jolt
Isn't the whole purpose of resource collection to force you to take time out of your run to check corners and such? I feel like a mod that goes "there are no resources here" kind of defeats that 'do I, or don't I' mindset.
strange sparrow
Isn't the whole purpose of resource collection to force you to take time out of ...
I really want a mod that indicate how much resources is near you
fathom grail
No hud and one hit death modifiers
strange sparrow
Because plasteel looting is annoying
strange sparrow
No hud and one hit death modifiers
Basically that should be a mode of its own like Realism in L4D2
Which is stupidly hard
umbral scaffold
I think that there's accessibility and cheating
marble bridge
https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506
then mod out the HUD and go play the game
fathom grail
then mod out the HUD and go play the game
Already been done and beat
strange sparrow
You could already play the game in no hud thou
fathom grail
Long time ago
umbral scaffold
Stuff like the lightspam and full auto mods are great accessibility because they do a simple repetitive thing automatically
Then we have mods that do frame-perfect QQ cancels, quell cancels or other sorts of animation canceling stuff
rustic island
darktide realistic mode where the beasts of nurgle give you an incurable disease on contact and when downed your character is deleted and you have to start over
umbral scaffold
I believe that's cheating because it automates an actually hard input to do consistently
Things like showing the direction of specials and elites are something I file under accessibility because not all information in a game can be from audio when there are people who are simply deaf to it
And being deaf is not something gamebreaking, contrary to being blind
You can play a game deaf with accessibility, you can't play most games blind
fathom grail
I should stream myself with title “no hud and if I get hit I leave game”
jovial aurora
Okay so update on devastating strike
umbral scaffold
But things like finding grimoires and scriptures, or materials, it's all still doable without audio because the player has loot icons and the whole thing is entirely doable visually
jovial aurora
this shit is up more than it's down on my build anyway when hording
umbral scaffold
So mods that find books and materials are something I'd file under cheating
jovial aurora
at least most of the time when i'd think to look while cleaving through a horde it'd have uptime
all and all i think i landed a pretty solid sword to carry my vet through grade 5s until i can find that one perfect chain sword
strange sparrow
I should stream myself with title “no hud and if I get hit I leave game”
Proceed to Play smite Psyker
jovial aurora
revolver or agriiipenis shotgun for big bois and sword down everything else
fathom grail
Proceed to Play smite Psyker
Gross 
vernal harbor
The only mod I run is scoreboard and true solo for exploring maps and looking at stuff for fun
tidal rapids
For that authentic bolt action experience
vernal harbor
What others get on the scoreboard is irrelevant I just like to know I’m doing as good a job as I think I am and not just being an asshole
vernal harbor
It’s a laser cannon lad you ain’t doing tricks with it
I have come to the realization though for mobility/movement is if you just get really comfy with the sounds you can walk into a horde of ragers trappers bursters ect. and not take a single hit
I’m currently in between jobs so I’ve had lots of time to pass but man it’s gotten to the point where I feel like im that unemployed friend
zealous wyvern
i assume you already have a future plan and are just relaxing between
so
enjoy it while it lasts
torpid sundial
Its not that bad when you put on onslaught
had to dump it when it got sprint efficiency and reload speed perks
I crie
naive aurora
unreal bone
Did they fiddle with the Shocktrooper talent?
It feels like I am running out of ammo actually now..
unreal bone
So is that like a massive nerf?
jolly hemlock
yes
unreal bone
That sounds like it was a dumb decision.
jolly hemlock
welcome to a fatshark game
unreal bone
Shocktrooper was extremely good on Kantrael's I know, but it was one of the few things that made Recon's semi-useable.
They should've just made Shocktrooper a lasgun blessing that they can manually tweak depending on the Lasgun variant.
Make it less effective on Kantrael's and not touch it on Recons.
jolly hemlock
they could also fix mem leak or not working sound cues but 💸
unreal bone
Lmao I don't get memory leak issues.
What causes memory leak issues?
I'm running new PC parts that I built back in november so.
idk
jolly hemlock
a problem in coding siphoning away your memory slowly
unreal bone
Ah so if you went a little overboard with your memory you'd probably never actually see it..
like I did..
jolly hemlock
im not sure about the specifics and im sure its different for teach leak
unreal bone
I've got 64gb 6000mhz 30c DDR5 ram.
jolly hemlock
but tldr you play tolong without restarting
unreal bone
I went a little overboard.
jolly hemlock
your game crashes
unreal bone
I don't think I could play long enough for it to siphon that much.
vernal harbor
my game starts becoming it’s own server at some point
everyone being thrown around and im just doing imaginary actions until it crashes
Like maybe 1-2 hours max?
Insane for being 1 year after launch
jolly hemlock
16gbß
lilac jewel
ive never had any of these issues
woeful ibex
blessings ok?
unreal bone
This looks super sick.
woeful ibex
got it from Auric
unreal bone
ive never had any of these issues
same but eh
lilac jewel
I played darktide from 9 am to 8 pm once (auric grind with buddies) and it went fine
jovial aurora
blessings ok?
some will say no double critical but it's fine
i crit more than i don't with this set up
vernal harbor
You ever wonder why suddenly people are dropping from your matches even though you are winning
lilac jewel
This looks super sick.
Fuckin nice drip
clever marsh
can orthus puzzle be done in solo?
jovial aurora
hand cannon would be good tho
woeful ibex
some will say no double critical but it's fine
alright and any alternatives?
jovial aurora
hand cannon for crucian
woeful ibex
thanks
jovial aurora
hand cannon for crucian
but good enough to use well until you find the right one
pretty much identical to mine and mine holds up fine on g5 auric
junior needle
blessings ok?
Yeah change crucian to hand cannon and you're set. Congrats on a fantastic revolver.
unreal bone
Fuckin nice drip
That chest isn't out yet sadly.
fierce steeple
That chest isn't out yet sadly.
ofc theyre gonna drip feed the scion and cool shit 1 piece at a time to milk the whales
thatll be 1.3k aquilas a pop tyvm
they need to make aquilas earnable like in VT2
midnight totem
No
civic knot
guessing infernus is not worth running for any of the infantry lasguns?
civic knot
blessings ok?
change crucian to handcannon for crusher 2 shots
tranquil bronze
Well... I can certainly work with this
junior needle
hmmm
junior needle
guessing infernus is not worth running for any of the infantry lasguns?
You guessed right. The higher damage/lower fire rate a gun is, the worse infernus is on it. It was a sussy pick even when infernus stacked onslaught.
tranquil bronze
hmmm
Gonna do Flak to replace that bottom perk, so it's gonna be a little odd with Flak/Unarmoured
But I suppose it'll still work
junior needle
Crit chance is the practical sacrifice no matter what
You can always replace it later
tranquil bronze
But right now, that other blessing is getting Headhunter
junior needle
Breakpoints are quite important and unarmored should affect at least one gunner head
Yep, that's the right move
tranquil bronze
That DA IV is just sweet
vernal harbor
your pfp always makes me think your in pain soldier 
junior needle
your pfp always makes me think your in pain soldier <:Sitgryn:101626942063876510...
I am in pain
woeful ibex
@junior needle @civic knot thanks
vernal harbor
I am in pain <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
woeful ibex
This looks super sick.
name of the skin?
austere jolt
Does anyone know the rules of parry damage?
I can't seem to find an outline for how much damage a perfect parry does to a target.
unreal bone
ofc theyre gonna drip feed the scion and cool shit 1 piece at a time to milk the...
That chest isn't really Scion gear.
It's just random squad leader armor.
unreal bone
name of the skin?
The chest doesn't have a name yet
it's just titled squad leader and there are like 2 other variants
Tempestus Scions don't really wear big flowy coats and stuff they are shocktroopers not commissars.
civic knot
Which infantry lasgun is the best for vet?
unreal bone
Yes
So is Shocktrooper even worth it now that it's nerfed?
Or should I just use survivalist and spend my points elsewhere.
wanton dawn
So is Shocktrooper even worth it now that it's nerfed?
Idk i dont play it
Am not into lasgun
junior needle
So is Shocktrooper even worth it now that it's nerfed?
Still worth it if you insist on running recons, but be aware they are big shit.
tidal rapids
Which infantry lasgun is the best for vet?
As I understand it, all 3 have around the same DPS these days so it's up to preference on shooting faster or heavier hitting
unreal bone
Still worth it if you insist on running recons, but be aware they are big shit.
I mean in general
tidal rapids
I personally run MG XII as my preferred Infantry Lasgun
unreal bone
not for any specific weapon type.
I see 0 use in even trying to brute force recons if they nerfed the one talent lifting it up.
junior needle
Which infantry lasgun is the best for vet?
The 1a is the most favored currently. Having high enough single shot damage for a good amount of one shot breakpoints, the highest dps, and more appreciable rof for softer targets.
4 isn't far behind the 1a in dps but has the worst one shot potential
k12 has the highest one shot potential but also the lowest dps baseline, so it's very much the most headhunting focused.
I think crab said something about 1a being 900~ and k12 being 625~
junior needle
I mean in general
It's entirely unchanged for everything that isn't a recon lasgun
So yes
unreal bone
I wish the braced autoguns were a little more accurate. It honestly feels like I can get more accuracy out of the Shredder Autopistol than them.
unreal bone
It's entirely unchanged for everything that isn't a recon lasgun
Eehhh idk man
I just played a few guns with Kantraels and Shocktrooper
I actually had to grab ammo boxes.
junior needle
Are you using deadshot and critfishing setups?
strange sparrow
Much more
unreal bone
Deadshot, Opening salvo, all of it.
junior needle
Opening salvo doesn't give you crit
unreal bone
Yes it does
junior needle
Oh excuse me
unreal bone
unreal bone
Yes
strange sparrow
Deadshot Crit stop when you run out of stamina
junior needle
Thanks fuckshark for the convenient naming
wanton dawn
I wish the braced autoguns were a little more accurate. It honestly feels like I...
Agri brauto hipfire is very accurate
junior needle
You don't have nearly infinite like on the helbores but the infantry lasguns still have very good ammo pools
Shocktrooper is still a sizable extension on your ammo efficiency
unreal bone
Agri brauto hipfire is very accurate
Brauto?
junior needle
braced auto
unreal bone
Oh
strange sparrow
Shocktrooper is still a sizable extension on your ammo efficiency
Eeeeeh
unreal bone
I've tried them all, but I stg I'm crazy but the Shredder Autopistol feels so much more accurate.
strange sparrow
It’s alright
I recommend Hellbore because how Surgical is providing that Crit rate
I don’t really know whether other las gun could do as well
junior needle
Helbores are overall stronger as weapons imo
And surgical is surgical
I feel like infantry lasguns could use some better flak damage and less absurd bouncing on the sights
strange sparrow
I feel like infantry lasguns could use some better flak damage and less absurd b...
True
strange sparrow
You would imagine that you’re melting target
junior needle
Nothing stops it
junior needle
I have
strange sparrow
It have some weird setting about recoil
junior needle
The other sights are nicer but the bounce remains
strange sparrow
The recoil follow camera something
So the bounce is camera orientated something
strange sparrow
So the bounce is camera orientated something
It’s weird, I don’t know how to explain this
thick wolf
no?
I thought its because lasguns with no recoil felt terrible to use according to them
solemn niche
https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sousou-no-frieren-frieren%27s-funeral-frieren-at-...
surge staff psyker, moments before crusher overhead
vernal harbor
who remembers the runaway autogun
pull the trigger and your ass is aiming at the sky and you cant yank the gun any direction
shit lasted like a month or so
god what a launch
thick wolf
pull the trigger and your ass is aiming at the sky and you cant yank the gun any...
RE6 recoil in a nutshell
terse idol
I thought its because lasguns with no recoil felt terrible to use according to t...
Yeah thats what I heard too
I mean its true
terse idol
They are still one of the most accurate guns in the game
vernal harbor
solemn niche
They are still one of the most accurate guns in the game
according to whom
thick wolf
I'm just glad that recoil in the autoguns don't work like FNV's recoil when you shoot an automatic
terse idol
Source, I made it up
Probably QA
thick wolf
that shit was genuinely infuriariting
terse idol
I heard it before but does that mean anything nope
vernal harbor
see now lasguns should be accurate, should be perfect and the game even makes it look like it is, but somehow miss
terse idol
see now lasguns should be accurate, should be perfect and the game even makes it...
Iags feel good
solemn niche
i think a little bit of recoil makes sense but right now they are bouncing around too much
vernal harbor
like 10 bullets of autogun, bad guy dies, lasgun round to a weakpoint takes like 3 for some reason
solemn niche
they have more kickback than an autogun
sharp ember
laspistols are pretty recoilless too
terse idol
Ya think so?
I think most of the spread is center
terse idol
they have more kickback than an autogun
Oh hell no
vernal harbor
the game just doesnt register lasgun impacts like it should
terse idol
Try killing a sniper or any shooter past 15,-20m
sharp ember
the server ghosting your hits feels pretty bad, especially when it plays a headshot sound but nothing happens
vernal harbor
if the game is to be believed, a weakspot on unarmored enemy should be 600+ damage, but it still takes several 'confirmed' weak spot hits to kill like a shotgunner
terse idol
With a columnus
vernal harbor
thats why i dropped the las
terse idol
if the game is to be believed, a weakspot on unarmored enemy should be 600+ dama...
Uh
This is BP and build issue
sharp ember
no comment on that
solemn niche
shotguners have 1200 hp tho right ?
terse idol
I can consistently two shot all gunners
sharp ember
a dreg shotgunner unarmored head drops like a sack of potatoes when you shoot it
terse idol
If I actually had proper perks I'd ne around to one shot scan gunners
sharp ember
i lied i made a comment
white minnow
the sights on the infan lasguns are so poopoo so I set a texture setting to low to blur out the holographic and have crosshair remap to indicate where my shots go
terse idol
If you need several something is wrong
vernal harbor
Im throwing numbers around to make a point but why i switched to autogun was a little burst from it and literally almost anything is down and out where as the lasgun i was striving for perfect critical weakspot hits and the game said go fuck yourself
solemn niche
you need the blessing that gives you 20% power on your first shot to oneshot gunners with a headshot
or a critical hit
terse idol
I mean weird
vernal harbor
i use to be a big ol exe vet
im talking i stacked everything, gun loaded with blessings i was so angry
sharp ember
rapid fire guns are so much simpler to use than dealing with breakpoints on a slow firing weapon
terse idol
I can pull numbies with exe and marksmans focus
vernal harbor
i was already using a xii so i was determined
white minnow
and not inducing RSI
and the clicking of your finger not messing with your aim
automatics are real comfy
terse idol
You simply cannot laser down snipers with an IAG like you can a lasgun
vernal harbor
however i use the heavy las pistol on some builds and its just fine and im doing real damage, 1-2 headshots and most are dead
thick wolf
I use autoguns when I feel like I don't want to do much work
terse idol
At 20-30m
vernal harbor
my autogun snipes regularly
strange sparrow
With a columnus
It’s not impossible
vernal harbor
shouldnt but it does
terse idol
however i use the heavy las pistol on some builds and its just fine and im doing...
That's... the same as most lasguns
vernal harbor
game will just toss the round into their hitbox
strange sparrow
I did counter snipe with columnus before
strange sparrow
It’s annoying but it’s pretty rare overall
white minnow
prob the main difference with the laspistols is their high crit chance and crit dmg multipliers
terse idol
Sometimes they're far enough that the damage drop off will knock them on their ass
strange sparrow
Like in most case you run toward them or they run toward you
white minnow
so bodyshots actually do a good amount with laspistols
compared to lasguns which are more sad when you can't hit heads
terse idol
Again preference but I can consistently tap all gunners with a lasgun
strange sparrow
Because if they have no LOS, their AI will force them to find LOS
rather than camp
terse idol
Like in most case you run toward them or they run toward you
True sometimes they're on rooftops content on taking potshots until anybody shot them
strange sparrow
Basically just a fancy word of, if I can’t shoot yo I will run toward you
deft bobcat
game just said no
When the game says ur too good
vernal harbor
when fathshark says the codes too hard
strange sparrow
True sometimes they're on rooftops content on taking potshots until anybody shot...
That’s the problem, your team decided it was alright to get pot shot sometimes
Because if they had know better
terse idol
I run HH and DA and I'm literally sitting there taking out all gunnetd
vernal harbor
if it wasnt true id be a happy cadian i love the lasgun but its not so for me
strange sparrow
They could just get a bit backward and wait for them to push
wanton dawn
Deadly accurate is not great imo but hey
terse idol
Because if they had know better
Sometimes you are the one that can make a shot
strange sparrow
Wdym
terse idol
You have a lasgun...
strange sparrow
Just break LOS
strange sparrow
no like your entire team could just break LOS
deft bobcat
I use the basic Infantry Lasgun. The XII is a bit slow firerate for me. But great for sniping
wanton dawn
Sniper see you
terse idol
Why
terse idol
Literally why when you're in position
vernal harbor
the xii is suppose to be slow but powerful and good for weak/crit shots and it takes like 3 sometimes to kill a dreg so hell nah
strange sparrow
Because it’s easier to shoot something that is closer than 20+m away?
terse idol
Unless you have VC's I'm either gonna
vernal harbor
mind you the lasgun uses more than 1 ammo per shot
terse idol
Slow peek a corner
deft bobcat
When the game need balancing, but would be better without
terse idol
A random ream isn't gonna suddenly wait in cober
vernal harbor
Also past the traitors patch the game got way more fast past so sniping is useless
terse idol
Someone is gonna have to actually take it out and the lasgun is literally made for it
strange sparrow
Tbh sniper is the lowest threat specialist in my game these days
terse idol
Uh cool
deft bobcat
mind you the lasgun uses more than 1 ammo per shot
Infantry Lasguns use like 5 ammo per shot. The helbore uses up to 10+ per shot
strange sparrow
Because how they can’t pierce dodge I-Frane
terse idol
I can definetly beam snipers
vernal harbor
best sniper in the game is the revolver but mfs start having panic attacks if you use it
terse idol
I'm not gonna trust myself or my team to know how to dodge a sniper with a backwards dodge
strange sparrow
Oh I’m not saying you couldn’t beam sniper
terse idol
I know it's judt
strange sparrow
I’m just saying that a lot of time, ranged enemy AI is stupid
vernal harbor
I'm not gonna trust myself or my team to know how to dodge a sniper with a backw...
me
strange sparrow
And you could defi abuse it
deft bobcat
I snipe with boltgun
terse idol
Part of this conversation is in defense of the lasgun
vernal harbor
i was clutching a match and 7 snipers on me i was sweating
terse idol
That it frankly consistently deals with shooters
deft bobcat
The classic IG weapon
vernal harbor
The classic IG weapon
terse idol
And you could defi abuse it
Which is fine
deft bobcat
Oh I’m not gonna defeat lasgun until you bring in hellbore
The kreiger weapon of choice
terse idol
Honestly if the shooters were really smart this game would be really annoying
jovial aurora
Someone is gonna have to actually take it out and the lasgun is literally made f...
why waste time with lasgun
terse idol
Because I want variety in my life
strange sparrow
The kreiger weapon of choice
Hellbore Charged shot doesn’t get impacted by Inverse FallOff
jovial aurora
revolver just as accurate and like 36 times more powerful
strange sparrow
Which is why it’s better than most lasgun
vernal harbor
Honestly if the shooters were really smart this game would be really annoying
gunners had a moment where it was normandy 24/7
terse idol
I can only play so much plasma before my brain is melting
strange sparrow
It only doesn’t work against maniac
jovial aurora
revolver
terse idol
revolver just as accurate and like 36 times more powerful
Revolver isn't that great with exe and focus target
Because you only have 6 shots
jovial aurora
it's fine
deft bobcat
Imagine if fatshark adds in Plasmagun Heretics
terse idol
Yeah it doesn't
vernal harbor
shit can dome anything
jovial aurora
exactly
terse idol
I play lasgun so I can make the most out of exe and marksmens focus
vernal harbor
exe is more of a aim assist
terse idol
And kill all gunners
vernal harbor
revolver need more bullets
jovial aurora
honestly
vernal harbor
gadam
jovial aurora
i'm okay with the way revolver is
terse idol
Because you can maintain 10 stacks and tank quiet a few gunners for your team while trimming them
vernal harbor
clint eastwood would have brought a crate
strange sparrow
revolver need more bullets
terse idol
Also second, I also got tired of the revolver
I play weapon spec revolver
I know what's uuup
strange sparrow
Also MF is weaker than FT, except you’re playing any finesse weapon better than Columnus
jovial aurora
ehhh
strange sparrow
In terms of raw damage factoring in Crit chance
terse idol
Because you still want to be doing headshots
strange sparrow
So you need more than 40%
terse idol
You can tank gunners
jovial aurora
honestly not having the funni yelly perk is kind of jipping your team
terse idol
Take out targets before they become a threat etc
strange sparrow
Also based on weakspot damage
terse idol
honestly not having the funni yelly perk is kind of jipping your team
My team can eat a dick 
Focus target is boring
jovial aurora
funny yelling man perk good for team. team good for ws
terse idol
Also doesn't take out gunners
vernal harbor
voc is good for utility
strange sparrow
Because FT based damage amplify Weakspot damage better than MF right now
terse idol
VOC is literally OP
strange sparrow
jovial aurora
i take out gunners fine with revolver on voc lol
terse idol
You can run VoC ON ANYTHING
jovial aurora
exec is kinda shit
vernal harbor
just get use to tagging whatever you look at, aim good and exe is useless
jovial aurora
yeah
terse idol
Because I'm shooting
jovial aurora
just aim
terse idol
All gunners
jovial aurora
it's ez
terse idol
Bruh
jovial aurora
i literally never have issues with ammo on revolver
terse idol
This is such slander its ridiculous
vernal harbor
if my autogun can kill a gunner from 20m away in like 5 rounds then exe is just overkill and made to just outline stuff for you
terse idol
We're looking to maintain exe stacks, get value with focus target and trim the battlefield of shooters
jovial aurora
kk
strange sparrow
Like the only great thing about exec is just highlight ranged enemy
jovial aurora
lol
vernal harbor
yeah but you cant be a one-hit-wonder in auric + you gotta be everything
wanton dawn
I playing exec stance now, so my opinion is right and yours is wrong
terse idol
Also exe stance helps to meet bp's on gunners
delicate estuary
Is the rogue trader cosmetic line still available?
vernal harbor
everyones job is everything
vernal harbor
Is the rogue trader cosmetic line still available?
yes
terse idol
yeah but you cant be a one-hit-wonder in auric + you gotta be everything
I mean, I can be everything but I can specialize
delicate estuary
Is it the last line available?
jovial aurora
there's no reason to run exec stance other than bad tactical awareness
terse idol
I have a plasma VOC build
delicate estuary
As in it resets next week
terse idol
I'm tired of it
strange sparrow
I never get the need to become a specialist shooter against ranged enemy
terse idol
I know I can beat auric damn by spamming VOC and pgun and it's brain dead
wanton dawn
there's no reason to run exec stance other than bad tactical awareness
But i am terrible so i need it
strange sparrow
But I mean it’s a style
jovial aurora
But i am terrible so i need it
fair
strange sparrow
I play Hellbore with Exec + MF just to be niche
terse idol
there's no reason to run exec stance other than bad tactical awareness
That is an incredible simplification of voc
strange sparrow
Contribution wise? It’s not really that much different
vernal harbor
I play Hellbore with Exec + MF just to be niche
terse idol
You run VOC? There's no reason to run VOC than bad spacial awareness
delicate estuary
There is no need to run VOC other than bad positioning
jovial aurora
That is an incredible simplification of voc
voc help team, happy team means wins