veteran-class

[torpid sundial]

When you're top dps in recon you know something is wrong

[jovial aurora]

but my old build would not carry a team through it lol

[sharp ember]

pretty sure bolter and plasmagun have the same aoe suppression on kill

[steep pier]

it can be bad depending on modifiers and spawns

[sharp ember]

or something similar anyway

[steep pier]

like i did a malestrom earlier and in the first 5 minutes we got back to back like 7 monsters

[jovial aurora]

think it was hi intensity shock troop

[steep pier]

it fuckin sucked

[elfin stump]

We recently breezed through auric mael until we all perished within 5 seconds of each other

[steep pier]

not even past the starting area we got monster after monster

[torpid pier]

it do be like that

[sharp ember]

we love monstro maelstrom

[torpid pier]

panic mode

[sharp ember]

i want to jump into one with an agri brauto with unyielding perk

[strange sparrow]

Always take out special/Elite before they reach your teammate

[steep pier]

lmao it was 5 spawns and 2 beasts

horrible spawnage

[strange sparrow]

I have less of that issue these days with that when I saw them struggling and throw a krak or shoot rager for them

Most of the time they’re either suppress by rager

[wanton dawn]

Not sure it works well tbh. Autogun are kinda meh on boss compared to melee

[strange sparrow]

Or blocked by bulwark

[steep pier]

i like pg for bosses

[strange sparrow]

This is what most people doesn’t get in Auric Mael as Veteran

Your job is to abuse your gun as much as possible to kill elite/special as fast as possible

[steep pier]

true that

[strange sparrow]

So your team doesn’t get stuck in a pickle

[wanton dawn]

My job is GUN

[steep pier]

i like las pistol for high end

[strange sparrow]

And half the time YOU DONT TRUST THEM

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-guns-gif-18771749

[tranquil bronze]

I'm actually surprised when I did tests on the MG XII las... flak perk does little to no difference to its damage output against flak targets.

[wanton dawn]

Man i love this gif

[steep pier]

taking a break now been playing all day

[strange sparrow]

Don’t trust your team but help your team

[jovial aurora]

@torpid pier @terse idol

[strange sparrow]

If they go down, don’t help them up immediately, identify what kill them etc

[steep pier]

went from like 1k gold to near 500 thousand just from today

[elfin stump]

I do, I'm the sound cue sonar

[jovial aurora]

Constructive criticism? Going for a balanced build that works with the almighty zarona but can use other shit?

[glacial yacht]

the revolver?

[elfin stump]

If I hear trapper or flamer, I drop everything and start searching/execing

[jovial aurora]

Yeah

[strange sparrow]

Look good but don’t take rending

[jovial aurora]

Why not?

[strange sparrow]

Spend that on making your keystone better

[jovial aurora]

Jw

[glacial yacht]

dont need rending or focus target

[strange sparrow]

For example redirect fire

[glacial yacht]

i use weapon specialist with revovler

[strange sparrow]

Or spec into weapon specialist for auto reloader

[steep pier]

nearly died in a room earlier

[elfin stump]

I think +15% to elites from the left tree would go further than 10% rending

[steep pier]

got mutied i was killing a rager then got grabbed like 6 times by 6 different muties in a small room

[elfin stump]

Although to be fair 20% rending does wonders for my v7

[strange sparrow]

I would forgo everything on the left

And go doe more middle and right

While the aura kinda bad

And the grenade is less than optimal because you lack wave clear

[glacial yacht]

whats the website where you can fill in talents and screenshot the whole thing

[elfin stump]

Games lantern build editor

[jovial aurora]

I want the extra ammo for revolver

Revolver is kinda non negotiable for me cuz I like it lol

[strange sparrow]

No you don’t, you need ammo regeneration for ammo spent

[glacial yacht]

yeah dont listen to that guy the left side is good

[strange sparrow]

And it doesn’t help special/elite breakpoint when you’re using zorona

Not by a good margin except crusher

[jovial aurora]

Which one is breakpoint?

[elfin stump]

?

[strange sparrow]

Breakpoint is bullet to kill something

Not a talent

[jovial aurora]

Ohh

[elfin stump]

Breakpoint is a point where it requires you to take one less shot to kill something

[strange sparrow]

You’re already one shot head tap

On most specialist

So I would just say left tree is super useless

Except you’re going for body shot bp

[jovial aurora]

Jesus vet has so many strong perks

[toxic cedar]

What’s the best revolver for vet

[strange sparrow]

Zorona

Agripinaa lose out too much DMG

[jovial aurora]

There's one you can aim and one you can't

[toxic cedar]

what build should I be using

[jovial aurora]

And the beefy ass penetration

[tranquil bronze]

Plasma

[elfin stump]

For example, going from 33% to 49% doesn't reach any breakpoints cause you're still need 3 shots
But going from 49% to 50% makes your 3 shot into a 2 shot, so that one percent is way more important

[glacial yacht]

this is my revolver build

[toxic cedar]

Tyyy

[elfin stump]

Determined based

[toxic cedar]

What perks do you run on the zorona @glacial yacht

[strange sparrow]

I would take more Crit chance for zorona especially

[elfin stump]

I accidentally joined last mission with deadshot instead of determined I ate ass

[strange sparrow]

The +5% Crit chance per dodge is super useful

[glacial yacht]

these

[jovial aurora]

I like the kraks cuz it's like a win the game button for monstrosity

[toxic cedar]

Thxx

[glacial yacht]

can one shot all elites without crit wirh this build and 2 shot crushers'

[elfin stump]

No tinkerer?

[strange sparrow]

You need double Crit shot to kill Crusher with this build

[glacial yacht]

yesa

[strange sparrow]

Else it’s a 7 shot if I’m not wrong

[glacial yacht]

actually 1 crit and one none

as long as first shot crits

[jovial aurora]

Does the damage scale any higher past damnation

[strange sparrow]

Rending only happen on Crit shot

It’s not a debuff

[glacial yacht]

oh still

[elfin stump]

If you count more people shooting you in hi intensity

[strange sparrow]

Without Crit, I remember zorona damage drop to like 300 something

Which is low af

Because you need 10 normal shot to kill a Crusher

While 3 Crit shot with hand cannons

[glacial yacht]

i have no issues criting idk why youre on about that

[strange sparrow]

Because I did the math?

[glacial yacht]

just aim..

[elfin stump]

Alarming lack of reciprocity

[strange sparrow]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

It’s free 25%

[glacial yacht]

idk what id drop for it

[jovial aurora]

Okay but all in all the build is pretty okay? I wanted to be strong in melee and bossing while still being able to use revolver well

Figure krak is my win button for boss and the rest is self explanatory lol

[strange sparrow]

Anything work below Auric Mission

[glacial yacht]

i dont understand using focus target on revolver

[strange sparrow]

Don’t think too hard

[glacial yacht]

i guess to help team

[strange sparrow]

I’m a meta slave and it’s not fun to say you should play in most efficient manner

[glacial yacht]

but you just one shot every thing

[jovial aurora]

Team

[elfin stump]

Anything works in Auric if your team's good enough

[jovial aurora]

Bosses and stuff go down harder

[strange sparrow]

I run no talent auric mael with Columnus

[glacial yacht]

not worthj imo

[strange sparrow]

It’s not that bad

As long you aren’t getting down 24/7

[jovial aurora]

I also wanted to do other weapons with this tho so yall think this is probably good or should I spec more into melee

[elfin stump]

Had funny auric recently
Someone died in the first horde, we fucked around the elevator for like 5 second cause somebody was looting or something

Queue the 300 ragers

[strange sparrow]

The game is not that hard right now with all the OP weapon like P6 and CIAG

So as long your fundamental is good

You have no trouble

Remember, I-Frame is op

[jovial aurora]

I frame?

[hybrid prawn]

game doesnt have i frame

[tranquil bronze]

So my MG XII is gonna be my DMR... and my Columnus is my braindead weapon.

[strange sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1195017923450908793/Sniper_I-Frame.mp4?ex=65b2762b&is=65a0012b&hm=7f4c58dbe4389604df9c11c90afebf5173e4941ce5dbc9698363a8bb5ebb0893&

@hybrid prawn it does

[jovial aurora]

What's gonna be the best balanced weapon between horde clear or should I just go for horde clear and gun everything large

[strange sparrow]

It work specifically against some and doesn’t on some

You can literally run out of dodge and still I-Frame Sniper

[atomic zephyr]

i dont like using guns for horde clear tbh but i think a good balance is the columnus iag

[strange sparrow]

But that’s a gamer move

[jovial aurora]

Also I have a really badass combat axe for my psyker if I strip thunderous off of it will I be able to use on the same axe on veteran

[atomic zephyr]

you will be able to put that thunderous on an axe for your vet yes

not the same axe but the blessing yeah

[elfin stump]

I tap every sniper in my games so the team wouldn't have to worry

[candid sundial]

Fellas, Fatshark has finally blessed us with Cadian gear

[jovial aurora]

Thats one if the big boi perks isn't it?

[strange sparrow]

With clipping issue and hella ugly

[candid sundial]

Ain't seen much clipping, but I like the armor

[elfin stump]

Cadian quality

[atomic zephyr]

i think brutal momentum and headtaker/slaughterer is the godroll

especially brutal momentum

though i think thunderuous is ok

[jovial aurora]

It's got that as it's other grade iv

[hybrid prawn]

cant fix it because cadian tailors are gone

[jovial aurora]

Literally the only good weapon I've ever got lol

And it was a stupid damnation reward

[strange sparrow]

Cadia stand in pieces

✊

[candid sundial]

Also, cheaper than the rest too though

[elfin stump]

I wish I got good weapons

[atomic zephyr]

i am considering the scion helmet far more than i should be

[elfin stump]

[atomic zephyr]

you'll get them eventually

[strange sparrow]

Hopium

[spare mountain]

star-lord

[candid sundial]

It's got that drip

[strange sparrow]

Spending another million for god roll Rashad

[atomic zephyr]

hey i've managed to stumble upon a pretty good armory

[strange sparrow]

[spare mountain]

it looks kinda goofy imo

[jovial aurora]

So probably remove brutal momentum and cry over the thunderous ill never see again?

[spare mountain]

and 1400 is just unforgivable

[atomic zephyr]

the trick is to not dump all your currency on one weapon

[elfin stump]

Only thing I'd buy from that shop is a sniper's hood

[tulip condor]

What are good blessings for the Agrippina IAG?

[spare mountain]

insane that they made us wait so long for the helmet and then charge 1400

[atomic zephyr]

if you dont get what you want after, say, ten brunt purchases go and run a few more missions

[candid sundial]

I'm waiting for a good Kasrkin armor set

[elfin stump]

Dumdum + Deathspitter/FFrenzy

[tulip condor]

thx, much appreciated

[atomic zephyr]

oh god wait does the scion's green not match any of the other free armor

[elfin stump]

Purchase product

[atomic zephyr]

fuuuuuuuuuck

nvm

[strange sparrow]

THE GREEN IS HELLA

UGLY

[atomic zephyr]

guess ill go fuck myself lmao

i actually like the green

[elfin stump]

Wait for a grey recolor

Or install mods idk

[strange sparrow]

waiting for a black recolor

[atomic zephyr]

playing through cloud gaming

[spare mountain]

no neck guard

[atomic zephyr]

cant mod

[spare mountain]

wtf

[atomic zephyr]

aw.

[strange sparrow]

You can

[steep pier]

oof

[strange sparrow]

Oh wait

[atomic zephyr]

not through nvidia geforce

[strange sparrow]

Are you one of those nvidia

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[candid sundial]

Rip

[terse shell]

that is just gross

[strange sparrow]

It’s so joever 4 u

[terse shell]

rip to people who dish out 10 bucks for that

[atomic zephyr]

i have my own modded setup on my actual pc but it also runs like DOGWATER on my pc for some goddamn reason

[candid sundial]

OH

[spare mountain]

Can't be FS without 2 steps forward 1 step back

[tranquil bronze]

Could be worse...

[atomic zephyr]

cyberpunk 2077 on low/medium graphics? easy
darktide? nope, fucking chug

dont know why

[spare mountain]

14 goddamn dollars

[strange sparrow]

You’re using AMD graphic card

Fr fr

[atomic zephyr]

i-i am.

does darktide just hate amd cards

[strange sparrow]

Wait really?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[strange sparrow]

Yes

[tranquil bronze]

Is that staff a shovel?

[atomic zephyr]

im running an RX 590

[candid sundial]

That's based actually

[strange sparrow]

Darktide hate AMD

[elfin stump]

Yes

[atomic zephyr]

fuck my life

no wonder

[junior needle]

I use an nvidia card and darktide never had great performance for me. 3080 with dlss gets me around 140 on my 240hz monitor

[atomic zephyr]

i have it bottomed out at minimum with the ai downscaling at ultra performance

[elfin stump]

Holy shovel

[atomic zephyr]

and it still barely gets 40-50 fps

[candid sundial]

Need to get the Krieg armor with it

[atomic zephyr]

play through geforce in comparison and its great

[atomic zephyr]

i literally have to choose, mods or performance better than dogshit

pain

[elfin stump]

There's an ultimate potato mod

For performance issues

[strange sparrow]

AMD graphic card taking too much L

Their salesperson just suck

[atomic zephyr]

i used it

still ate shit

[elfin stump]

Damn

[spare mountain]

I'd buy this from the shop

[strange sparrow]

Too busy making good graphic card that have no game that support it

[atomic zephyr]

my AMD cpu has been doing great

[elfin stump]

Knuckleblaster

[atomic zephyr]

at least

i have 20k plasteel sitting around
wondering if i should invest it into a new shovel

[strange sparrow]

What is wrong with you people

20k?

[elfin stump]

Share with the class

[strange sparrow]

That’s like

[tranquil bronze]

Gib

[strange sparrow]

A rogue trader wealth

Gib

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i just play the game for fun and dont dump it into everything

idk what you guys are doing i got this shit by accident

[strange sparrow]

In this grim dark future, there is only plasteel poverty

[terse shell]

20k is like 30 damnation mission, it's not that hard if you play like 1 a day

[atomic zephyr]

^^

[elfin stump]

This user is having fun, laugh

[atomic zephyr]

i do 2-3 in a row

[strange sparrow]

Except you spend them to switch a lot of weapon

[terse shell]

I have 10k sitting around cause I cba to try and roll for cycler IV

[strange sparrow]

I spent 32k Plasteel on Cycler 4

[atomic zephyr]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[strange sparrow]

20 Psword

[atomic zephyr]

i just use cycler 3

[elfin stump]

Cycler 2

[terse shell]

mood kindred

I have EVERY OTHER IV PERKS EXCEPT CYCLER

[atomic zephyr]

i refuse to let the slot machines get me

[terse shell]

fuck fs

[jovial aurora]

goes with this guy pretty well

[strange sparrow]

LET IT CONSUME YOU

[atomic zephyr]

ok that's pretty good

[elfin stump]

300$ helmet 5$ shirt

[atomic zephyr]

nah that shirt goes hard

its one of my favorites

[jovial aurora]

need new backpack tho

[atomic zephyr]

oooh, wait. maybe i should get a better knife

but i dont really play stealth vet..

ok chat, folding shovel or knife

[wanton dawn]

Almost no good pants to go with it is the problem

[vivid cedar]

is it worth upgrading (left) or do i just rip bloodthirsty off there

[elfin stump]

True stealth vet is exec vet cause neither the team or the enemies can't see any impact from you

[jovial aurora]

pantaloons

[atomic zephyr]

yeah those ones go with it nicely as well

[atomic zephyr]

:(

i love my exec vet

[terse shell]

and the traitor guard still have more drip than us lmao

[atomic zephyr]

im gonna play my exec build out of spite now

[elfin stump]

I say this as an exec vet main

[strange sparrow]

I will only buy scion tempestus skin

For veteran

Exactly like the table top tempestus

[atomic zephyr]

oh ok fair

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i know those pants. They are also 2 of the least fashionable

[atomic zephyr]

nah disagree

[elfin stump]

This isn't a mod, right?

[tranquil bronze]

Nope, seen that armor in the ship a few times

[strange sparrow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0e/29th_Zetic_Tygers.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160826050239

[elfin stump]

One of the few things I'd buy

[strange sparrow]

The real armor I would buy

[wanton dawn]

It carapace black boots and prison cell damsels. I did both

[elfin stump]

Long las

SCOPED

Don't show fs

[strange sparrow]

Carapace armor, Carapace pants

[tranquil bronze]

I'm a little saddened that the flak damage perk is useless on the MG XII

[strange sparrow]

Muffle voice

Backpack battery

[atomic zephyr]

load into quickplay
low intensity hunting grounds
leave match

fucking snorefest

[quick steeple]

zealot shop item, was in rotation back in nov/dec

begloried redemptor iirc

[elfin stump]

Scab shooter body oneshots?

[strange sparrow]

With long attena

[wanton dawn]

You takes a large pants which match the jackets color. Dont leave you much option

[atomic zephyr]

not anymore iirc

with enemy hp changes

[tranquil bronze]

I meant like the flak perk has little to no benefits.

[strange sparrow]

Only a full black scion armor will make me pull out half the game price FATSHARK

YOU HEAR ME

[quick steeple]

so you run another perk? im missing it here

[tranquil bronze]

So let's say you headshot a scab gunner... it's gonna be a two shot headshot either way.

[tranquil bronze]

I tested it with two MG XIIs

[toxic cedar]

what’s the best autogun for vet

[atomic zephyr]

columnus

[wanton dawn]

I prefer the slim pants and none match the jacket. You look like a dark souls character with black onion armor

[quick steeple]

what talents thats the real question

[atomic zephyr]

i prefer agrippina but statistically its columnus

[strange sparrow]

Columnus doesn’t need any blessing or perks to be good

[steep vault]

I forgot the new meta now

[atomic zephyr]

IAG btw

[toxic cedar]

what skill tree should i be using w it

[strange sparrow]

Just take that

[strange sparrow]

Infantry autogun

[atomic zephyr]

literally anything

[steep vault]

is it IA now or is it still XII

[tranquil bronze]

I still need to find a better HH

[atomic zephyr]

Ia

[steep vault]

Apparently IA is buffed

[quick steeple]

agri brauto is bae

[tranquil bronze]

But that MG XII is pretty much set

[toxic cedar]

so there’s no way to make it any better

[steep vault]

woah

I can put mine to use now

[atomic zephyr]

i love marksmans focus w/ it

[quick steeple]

im talking about your skill tree lol but nice roll

[toxic cedar]

honestly I kinda hate focus it always gets me killed

[atomic zephyr]

dont stand still

[quick steeple]

VOC op

[atomic zephyr]

just hit headshots

[toxic cedar]

is there anything other than marksman’s that can make the columbus better

[toxic cedar]

no idea what that is

[wanton dawn]

Focus target is way easier to play with columnus imo. Probably better dmg teamwise too

[quick steeple]

columnus is already busted good not sure i follow

[elfin stump]

So is v7 just straight better? I can reliably onetap gunners

[toxic cedar]

alr what skill tree for focused should I use 🙏

[tranquil bronze]

It'll one tap if crit procs

[strange sparrow]

Onslaught

The right bottom tree make Columnus effective against anything

[wanton dawn]

2s i can try cooking one

Ppl wont like it though

[elfin stump]

The point is that I can onetap without

[strange sparrow]

Yes we won’t like it

[toxic cedar]

wait the entire right part of the skill tree

[terse shell]

just go krak nade - shout and survivalist aura for ammo

[elfin stump]

Onslaught plus reciprocity are the main suspects

[tranquil bronze]

I think it's because V7 has better flak damage

[toxic cedar]

what the

[tranquil bronze]

@elfin stumpMG XII will one tap dreg gunners, but not scab.

[elfin stump]

Sounds like pain

I can bodytap scab shooters (not dreg stalkers though)

[tranquil bronze]

Question: is supression immunity a must?

[elfin stump]

Both gunners die to single head

[elfin stump]

Depends on what role you wanna play

I find it a must for gunner cleanup

[proper otter]

the bayonet on the mk1 and 2 helbores are so strong right now

[wanton dawn]

Heres what i play with columnus atm. I dont value onslaught cuz i dont shoot crusher. I miss grenade regen which is annoying

[proper otter]

why do you take the top left

get nade regen instead lol

[wanton dawn]

Cuz deadshot abuse

[proper otter]

deadshot?

[quick steeple]

lol i was gonna say you need the deadshot stamina disclaimer lol

[wanton dawn]

This is a deadshot columnus build

[elfin stump]

Duck and dive over reciprocity lmao

[wanton dawn]

Reciprocity is poor uptime

[elfin stump]

If you rely on dodges to replenish stamina might just as well replace the deadshot with it

[toxic cedar]

Ty

[quick steeple]

tbf if you go down VoC instead of exe stance you can snag nade/rending as well

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but if i wanna play voc i have other build

[quick steeple]

oh forsure lol

im just thinking in terms of someone struggling with columnus lol

[wanton dawn]

Am relying on mark and curios. Duck n dive is for shooter duty

[strange sparrow]

Poor Uptime but find a range unit and you get le time

[wanton dawn]

Does not work well on ranged

[strange sparrow]

Dreg gunner only make me stronger

[wanton dawn]

I think it is reliable on melee atk only

[quick steeple]

and you dont need it with a deadshot build

[wanton dawn]

Come on, there are way easier criticism to make than reciprocity

[tranquil bronze]

I run mostly VoC support

I think that's why I don't one shot gunners on the head

[strange sparrow]

Nah nah I’m too lazy on your build

It’s unique and special

[ripe lodge]

Why is Hadron like this? I wasn't gonna roll on this because the mobility is trash but here we are.

[sharp ember]

assuming mg12, not even from a distance to let your damage ramp up?

[strange sparrow]

Should had been more unique and mask it as Crit Columnus fr fr ong build something

[ripe lodge]

meanwhile it bricked a 378 before this

[quick steeple]

fak you buy for cycler 4 and call it a day lol

thts a beaut

[wanton dawn]

It was a troll build to make marskman focus works originally. Then i iterated

[quick steeple]

i member

[ripe lodge]

Yea I didnt have it just like why though lol not even a 360

[tranquil bronze]

On damnation, no. On lower difficulties, yes.

[quick steeple]

roll carapace onto that and enjoy the anim-cancel 1h crusher combo

takes a little practice but just cancel 0.3sec into the charge with a push stab > followup bonk

[ripe lodge]

Is it worth keeping Maniac?

[quick steeple]

free slot to experiment tbh

[raw steppe]

woo

broke 800k

[strange sparrow]

Here you go, CIAG that require nothing

You dont need special stuff going around

Taking Krak mean = Fuck Bulwark

Could change to shredder if you want, but I find Bulwark annoying

[raw steppe]

you should take deadshot

ciag with deadshot is so insane

[tranquil bronze]

Krak = fuck everything

[strange sparrow]

Fuck Deadshot

you already have incredible amount of damage

why are you asking for more damage in return of 3x stamina curios

[quick steeple]

smh

[strange sparrow]

should had just go x3 toughness curios for IronWill maximization

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot on ciag is realll good man. A crit is 100% dmg increase and it chains

[raw steppe]

i run hp/tough/tough lol

you dont need stamina curios to use deadshot

[strange sparrow]

🤮

[raw steppe]

that 800k game up there

was deadshot iag

[wanton dawn]

Stam/stam/thoughness

[strange sparrow]

I already broke that without crit

one second where my screenshot

[wanton dawn]

Yeah yeah we trust

Post the timer for pogness though

[quick steeple]

800k, 45min match XD

[strange sparrow]

I need to find deeper into the game

one sec

No Ammo Pickup Melee only

So everyone is a crusher

[wanton dawn]

Thats a least 45 min here

[quick steeple]

40% overkill dmg on iag.... sounds more like plasma

[strange sparrow]

I dont have plasma in my vet

because that shit cringe

Nice try thou

[elfin stump]

Considering my non crit hit on a rager is about 1400 i shudder to think of my crit overkills

[strange sparrow]

Yea it's a 47 minutes game with that one

Here's a 38 minute game instead with CIAG no crit build

Roughly my game is around 30-45 minutes depend on the mission variant

[elfin stump]

6 rescued operatives lmao

[wanton dawn]

I need to check. I think am around 25-35min

[strange sparrow]

Dont even ask me how

[tranquil bronze]

CIAG is just plain cracked

[wanton dawn]

Above 35+ feels long to me

[strange sparrow]

There's 2 guy with 1k+ damage taken each

[elfin stump]

They all feel long ngl

[strange sparrow]

There's like shit variant that you could speed through them

and there's hard variant that you need to take time

[wanton dawn]

Fast game is 20min mark

[quick steeple]

your "noncrit" has triple the critrate of your crit build btw

[strange sparrow]

And that's because of Reciprocity only

KekW

Inconsistent btw

I just find Dreg Gunner and abuse the fuck out of him

[wanton dawn]

Let mz get out of bed and check mine

[strange sparrow]

the fact that one crit = 4 string

[quick steeple]

5*

[strange sparrow]

yea even more then

[quick steeple]

thats the point tho, deadshot permacrit

consistent

[strange sparrow]

Consistent Damage that is not really needed for CIAG

I trade that out for more Toughness and more point in LongShot and Exhilarating Takedown

[quick steeple]

its how you drop that time from 45 > 25min and not hog all those ammo crates

closer kill BP to survivalist return = net ammo gain or even

[strange sparrow]

You do you, But Deadshot is a death sentences for me

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go

[forest scaffold]

You run it with duck and dive and hit and run

[strange sparrow]

And in the end, it's up to my preferences to be more "Surviving"

[forest scaffold]

and a +3 stamina curio

[strange sparrow]

I am aware

[elfin stump]

If you assume the same weakspot hit rate in both missions, the crit build has 3.2 times more crit ratio than the non crit one

[strange sparrow]

Not my preferences instead

[wanton dawn]

I have more crit than weakspot

[quick steeple]

based shovel enthusiast

[strange sparrow]

That's nice, I would retain the ability to block and push in a lot of situation

[elfin stump]

I have more weak than spot hit

[strange sparrow]

And tbh, this is probably one of my most win rate build while not using Psword in any situation

because fuck Psword

A lot of survivability, while not caring about stamina consumption

[vernal harbor]

John darktide?

[jovial aurora]

Okay just carried a team through a regular damnation lol

Only guy alive 3 times and clutched it lmao

It was hunting grounds too

[wanton dawn]

Where !?

[strange sparrow]

(Also totally because a lot of people can't abuse DeadShot enough to begin)

[quick steeple]

fakenews

[elfin stump]

Deadshot just feels like a crutch I have to work around

[strange sparrow]

You don’t really need it

[elfin stump]

At least remove the dumbass per second stamina drain

[strange sparrow]

It’s a lot of damage but do you really need it?

[quick steeple]

pref against deadshot playstyle makes sense, but you'd still get more overall output shifting a few points down to rending/focus in that setup

• the toughtness bump you wanted for iron will

[patent swift]

Deadshot with an all or nothing melee weapon feels really nice

[elfin stump]

Nah I don't

I run headhunter instead of surgical anyway

I rather take reciprocity

[strange sparrow]

I found Rending redundant after certain point with Onslaught except im dealing with high HP enemy in long range engagement

But it's pretty rare

[elfin stump]

Onslaught and rending have very different use cases

[strange sparrow]

They work the same thou

[quick steeple]

not quite no

[strange sparrow]

Except Rending affect dropoff over weapon

[elfin stump]

Yes but you activate them very differently

[strange sparrow]

Elaborate this because it work the same when people done the math

[jovial aurora]

i gotta say rebuilding my vet was the best thing i ever did

[strange sparrow]

Is there any other hidden feature other than long range damage dropoff

[elfin stump]

For me, 20 rending improve my Maniac damage from 1100 to 1400

[strange sparrow]

with rending?

[wanton dawn]

I don't take armor pen cuz I don't shot at crusher nor boss at all, and value is meh on other target

[jovial aurora]

it's so strong just all on it's own

no weird juggling act to get damage

just bonks

[elfin stump]

I'd have no idea, I just know 20 rending improve my damage significantly against most targets that make my ass bleed

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIxOjj28cuE&t=190s

I based my understanding fully on this video because he done the math

It perfectly make sense hence I didn't question futher

1:47, he stated that Rending (Personal) while Brittleness (Debuff), doing the same thing

[jovial aurora]

Vet is so strong when built right

[strange sparrow]

Would be nice if someone have futher breakdown on how stuff work different and how 10% Rending would make any difference

[wanton dawn]

Most of the time it just like this. Not representative of all gameplay because here i get lot of ranged talent value, but no duck n dive and no deathspitter proc

[jovial aurora]

They all are but it's nice that vet stuff is mostly just good solid flat buffs

[wanton dawn]

Columnus has huge armor modifier so rending only helps on carapce really

[jovial aurora]

This'll likely be the char I start and end my evenings on

[strange sparrow]

Yea I gave up on Rending after knowing that as my TTK against Crusher is between 2-3 seconds on how well I aim

10% only help if I don't hit weakspot and want to 1 clip columnus body to crusher

It does help a bit but not more than 400 damage against crusher

which is uhhhhh why

[quick steeple]

dont forget the fact that rend/brit overkill +100%) becomes direct dmg modifier now at 1-4 rate. because of the nice pen it also translates to flat dmg+

[jovial aurora]

It was taking about a mag with the middle capstone ping and my revolver with the weird crit stuff

[elfin stump]

If I understand correctly, and it correlates with my psykharium experience, the formula is %armor_type_percentage+rending+brittleness(*0.25 for everything over 100%)%

[jovial aurora]

To drop a crusher

[wanton dawn]

That's my point. Columnus has 130% armor modifier on most armor. down to 95% on far range

[jovial aurora]

But there's pen there so other crushers behind him and maulers took less

[wanton dawn]

AKA, columnus mostly benefit from rending at range

[strange sparrow]

Sound about right

[wanton dawn]

the exception being, again, carapace

[elfin stump]

Oh yeah then +10% rending would only give it 132.5% armor damage

[wanton dawn]

Columnus has like, 6% base on carapace

so rending does help. But you still dont want to shot crusher without onslaugh

[quick steeple]

oh forsure

[elfin stump]

Onslaught is 40%

So duh

[wanton dawn]

ANd even with onslaugh well eh

Yeah, after 16 bullets

[elfin stump]

Which is 1.5 seconds of firing

[quick steeple]

im nevergiving up my raking fire columnus XD

[wanton dawn]

Which is the time to kill 5 others target

[elfin stump]

It helps everyone with their damage too

It's the altruistic choice

[wanton dawn]

Altruistic choice is shooting the rest and switch to melee if there is only crusher

[jovial aurora]

Would it be better to run one health with all +5 toughness or all toughness with +5 health

I guess it'd basically be different means to the same end

[wanton dawn]

If you worry about crusher, there are better guns

[elfin stump]

I run two toughness one wound

[torpid pier]

maaaan i don't want to betray my Vrak7 but this looks fun as hell

[elfin stump]

But I've barely fallen lately in damns so I should probably switch the wound out

[wanton dawn]

Give it a try honestly, it feels great

[strange sparrow]

I gave up entirely on Rending 10% after realizing it only give much help over range

[jovial aurora]

Isnt there a 2 wound one if hadron personally cooms on your face

[torpid pier]

on that gun u had dum dum+ speed reload?

[elfin stump]

Never seen it

[wanton dawn]

dumdum, deathspitter, 2 stam, 3 stam regen

[elfin stump]

V7 gang V7 gang

[torpid pier]

ty

[wanton dawn]

For melee i use ps6 with sunder and pc4

[torpid pier]

hell yea

will give it a try someday when I am not broke

[wanton dawn]

PS6 being my anti-carapace tool

[elfin stump]

It's a tool. Use it when you need it

[strange sparrow]

Yea pretty much

[elfin stump]

All I know it raises my maniacs from 56 to 66

[wanton dawn]

For perk i think I have flak and maniac

Gonna have to ask me later I need to breakfeast

[quick steeple]

brekky > all

[elfin stump]

Vruksy

[quick steeple]

its value comes from the fact that like precision strikes, it affects all dmg not just your gun

[strange sparrow]

Not much impact over TTK

[wanton dawn]

The problem with rending is that most meta weapon have very good armor modifier to begin with

[elfin stump]

It makes my damage into big damage

[strange sparrow]

I was a firm believer with Rending once

Until I took like a sufficient amount of time testing out rending interaction with onslaught

[wanton dawn]

In other words: rending makes bad weapon better but barely help the good one'

[jovial aurora]

quick question outside of theory crafting

which devils claw for horde control

[elfin stump]

Oh yeah cause you'd flood the damage percentages over 100

[strange sparrow]

It's like, do you really need Rending + Onslaught? I found that it would be helpful once you have 15m-20m range between your target

[jovial aurora]

i have mkiv with thunderstrike and devestating and it's okay

[strange sparrow]

But below that it's like

You don't really need it

[jovial aurora]

this the current one

also are the chain swords or chain axes any good?

[elfin stump]

I love my mk4

Best melee I ever had

Sword, that is

[quick steeple]

IV claw is universally good ya

[elfin stump]

Used to struggle with hordes

I meant the chsinsword lmao

[strange sparrow]

DC 4 require you to play in a certain moveset

1L1H

light spamming is quite bad cuz low damage

[quick steeple]

thats almost every melee you should leverage horde/ single combos

[strange sparrow]

New Eviscerator and Psword 6 want you to spam light

that's why they're Good I argue

I use new Chainsword in light spamming + Block Push Combo also, not a lot of heavy

[eternal venture]

I dunno if that alone necessarily makes them good

Crusher is a great Zealot weapon, but it also wants you to swap light heavy light heavy for both single target and horde clear

Ease of use, sure

[strange sparrow]

Hmm, Probably
I just find that it's like one of my time with Vermintide

I can't do much heavy attack because it need a chargeup

that I sometime fail

[eternal venture]

Sienna’s mace used to be the same way in vt2

[jovial aurora]

seems like the mkiv is the easier one to use and the one with g at the end is

[elfin stump]

If you save up brain power on melee management you can spend it on making big moves like rushing off and dying to a trapper

[jovial aurora]

the heavier damage one?

[quick steeple]

tradeoff on a good chunk of the newer variants recently released is L vanguard spam but less single target isolation flex / lower overall output.

more friendly skillcap options is all

[strange sparrow]

Like Heavy Heavy Horde Clearing is a big letdown for me because I need to Hold M1 longer and see the animation of M1 Heavy attack

like the "Melee ChargeUp" animation

[jovial aurora]

what the fuck

with no perks these motherfuckers one tap maulers

[quick steeple]

you dont need to fully charge H, mostly is just learning the timing for when L swaps to H

its pretty quick on most

[strange sparrow]

I'm aware of that, Im just stating that has been a letdown for my gameplay preferences overall

[elfin stump]

My only grief with heavy spam is I sometimes get bonked charging it

[strange sparrow]

I prefer weapon with light spam hordes -> Heavy Charge up for heavy enemy

simpler

[jovial aurora]

im so used to heavy spam from ogryn shovel fun time

[strange sparrow]

L L Block Reset is ok

[quick steeple]

id def like alt keybind option for L & H to have queuing control but yea just gotten used to at this point

[strange sparrow]

As long it's not heavy spam

Yea that's a thing I really want to also

[jovial aurora]

so is the one with g at the end stronker one?

[elfin stump]

Wait you can bind heavy attack to a different button?

[strange sparrow]

Alt Keybind for light and heavy attack so you have perfect trigger condition

[strange sparrow]

That's the neat part you cant

[quick steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-mr-potato-head-i-can-dream-cant-i-dream-dreaming-gif-5083018

[elfin stump]

Shit from an ass

I had hope

I guess macros time

[strange sparrow]

Nah

[quick steeple]

that sounds like a death sentence getign anim locked lol

[strange sparrow]

Macros is an animation locked

I tried it on VT2

Sometime you just want to do something when the sound que hit you

[quick steeple]

@elfin stump what wep

[elfin stump]

Csword 4

It has really nice heavies for horde clear

But I don't like charging them

[quick steeple]

the devil claw IV?

[elfin stump]

Chainsword

[quick steeple]

ohh

[elfin stump]

Or was it mk3

[jovial aurora]

so the 4 is better for horde and the one with g at the end is better for maulers and shit?

[strange sparrow]

the old Csword have moveset I didn't really like much

[elfin stump]

I can't recall but it isn't the new one

[jovial aurora]

im using both and the one with a long number does like twioce the damage to a crushers face

it's almost a one tap with no perks

[elfin stump]

It's Cadia mk4

[quick steeple]

XIIIg the newer variant

[jovial aurora]

this is a tough decision

the 4 seems so much better for horde

[elfin stump]

It's weird that for a setting with millions of worlds there's so much focus on one specific one

[jovial aurora]

but the xiii is so much stronger

[elfin stump]

Cadia Cadia Cadia cadia

[jovial aurora]

they both cadias lol

what do ya'll think to complement a revolver

[elfin stump]

I wonder if name comes from designer or manufacturer

[jovial aurora]

i still wanna be able to one tap a mauler tho

[jovial aurora]

but i'm 24 percent certain the 4 will after some love

[elfin stump]

Surgical hand cannon MF+Rending

[quick steeple]

i prefer it w/ some savage sweep as well

[elfin stump]

4 is absolutely great for horde

[jovial aurora]

will it still love up on a mauler after some blessings and perks?

[weak token]

anyone here play plasma to tell me what perks i should get?

[jovial aurora]

gets hot is hot from what i hear

[weak token]

perks

[elfin stump]

Seems ideal lol

[jovial aurora]

prolly the usual lol

[elfin stump]

Ah you mean perks lmao

See if you can oneshot ragers

[weak token]

charged or no charge

[elfin stump]

If not, replace specialists

[quick steeple]

always uncharged lol

[elfin stump]

600 base is close to a non-crit oneshot

[weak token]

not even close to one shot with uncharged

[quick steeple]

oh god no replace crit chance of those 2

[weak token]

1162 weakspot hit with uncharge

barely 60% of its hp

[elfin stump]

Why would you need specialist?

[elfin stump]

What's the build?

[weak token]

no build rn

[quick steeple]

its the lesser of 2 evils to swap

[weak token]

do people hit breakpoints purely with a perfect plasma or with talents too?

[elfin stump]

Idk I always test with my build

[weak token]

if talents are required then well, i've no talents on rn

[quick steeple]

roll is important, but perk setup matters dependin on build

[weak token]

gimme a sec i'll just whip up a build

[slate sleet]

plasma

[elfin stump]

What breakpoints 10% specialists would reach?

[weak token]

probably none

[elfin stump]

Only ones I can think of are flamers

[weak token]

possibly

[elfin stump]

Then it's entirely useless

[wanton dawn]

Err, might catch unreliable bp with dmg buff

[weak token]

but i can hit their weakspot breakpoint with just 1 or 2 talents

[quick steeple]

flamers but you get mutant with blaze as well

[weak token]

probs not bodyshot breakpoint

[elfin stump]

And flamers are maniacs do maniacs would to better

[weak token]

ye true

[wanton dawn]

4% crit is not good anyway

[elfin stump]

It's better than 10% specialists imo

[wanton dawn]

Not with get hot

[quick steeple]

i wouldnt roll spec on the wep but its less shitty than 4% CC on a build that gets crit stacks from blessing/talents

[weak token]

honestly, i may switch crit just so it looks better visually on my resume

all t4, except blaze away ofc

[wanton dawn]

Crit on plasma is like, 25% dmg increase. We take get hot because crit% is inflated on it

[elfin stump]

Max stacked gets hot would give about 58% CC
with 4% your chance to not crit goes down from 42% to 38%

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but crit on plasma is for dps, not bp

[forest scaffold]

that's such an odd way to look at crits

its better to go 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 etc

[elfin stump]

It's an universal 2% dps increase

[forest scaffold]

IE: 33% crit chance is 1 in every 3 shots being a crit

over a long enough string of measurements

[weak token]

1931 on rager weakspot hit

that is so sad, 69 hp away from breakpoint

[elfin stump]

58% is 1 in 1,724137931034482

[quick steeple]

talents should cover that

[wanton dawn]

Which is worse than reliable 10% damage increase if that 10% can help remove shot per target in inconsistent dmg buff scenario

[weak token]

with talents

[wanton dawn]

Like focus target

Or blaze

[elfin stump]

I like my way of viewing it

[forest scaffold]

or, you know.

You could just say 2/3

[elfin stump]

If that helps to remove hounds, flamers or muties faster, than it is more preferable, I agree

[forest scaffold]

sure, 58% isn't exactly 66%

[elfin stump]

If it doesn't, it's useless

[forest scaffold]

but its close enough to for horseshoes and handgrenades

[quick steeple]

forgot about hounds, it should hit that BP i think

[forest scaffold]

that said, with 80% thermal you can fire three times between 80% and 100% heat with plasma gun

which is why gets hot is so stupid

[elfin stump]

This reminds me of people that treat every situation with two outcomes as a 50/50

[forest scaffold]

over a long enough time period, the difference between 58% and 66% isn't noticeable

[wanton dawn]

Comparing crit vs spec is comparing bad vs bad anyway so no need to get all excited about it

[forest scaffold]

a human will see it as 2/3rds of the time or 1/2 of the time

because we're fallible creatures

and tend to round up/down

[torpid sundial]

Just shoot until dead no need to think of maffs

[elfin stump]

I don't think statistics care if the creatures are fallible

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, Gets Hot+Blaze Away, Maniacs, Elites is the way to go on plasma gun

[wanton dawn]

Sure, but consistency is why we tend not to take competitive urge

[unreal bone]

What is the best axe?

[elfin stump]

True, but it's about making the most out of suboptimal situation

[weak token]

rashad hands down

[wanton dawn]

Rashad yeah

[elfin stump]

Chaxe

[quick steeple]

rash SLAPS

[elfin stump]

[weak token]

any other variation of combat axes just doesnt have as much potential as rashad

[forest scaffold]

and this is what I'd run for the talent tree

cause swap swap keystone is fucking busted

[unreal bone]

This one isn't too bad right?

I mean for temp use.

Until I get a higher base stat one.

[weak token]

wow that mobility

[forest scaffold]

and you get 10% melee damage outright, and 25% ranged/melee damage on a loop

[unreal bone]

Well it's a 337 lol

[forest scaffold]

I'd not waste the materials

that mobility dump stat bricks it

even if you rolled perfectly on it otherwise

[unreal bone]

Well bro that the only rashad I got

[forest scaffold]

And?

You asked.

I answered.

[unreal bone]

except for this one

which has a

[forest scaffold]

Don't waste the materials on it.

[unreal bone]

54 finesse

[forest scaffold]

this is far more acceptable

flak, maniac, headtaker, brutal momentum.

[tranquil bronze]

Except for finesse

[forest scaffold]

You'll miss the bruiser oneshot, but headtaker will give it back in two hits.

So its not a huge loss.

[unreal bone]

Absolutely fucked by Hadron

literally

[wanton dawn]

This one is fine. Rashad need high everywhere for bp

[unreal bone]

100% fucked

[forest scaffold]

may as well earn decapitator off of it

[weak token]

man i was hoping fire team would help me reach breakpoint for rager weakspot 1 hits

[wanton dawn]

Craft the other. Low mobility is a shame but rashad NEED 70+ on all damage stats

[weak token]

im missing 8 dmg

[forest scaffold]

this is not true

You dont NEED to oneshot bruisers first hit

like jesus

[weak token]

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[forest scaffold]

its already a braindead OP weapon

[unreal bone]

I did it anyways.

[forest scaffold]

oh no, you need two hits to proc BM instead of one

[tranquil bronze]

I'm already happy with this one

[unreal bone]

Been sitting on a lot of plasteel

with nothing to use it on

[forest scaffold]

well don't touch it

Or do

[wanton dawn]

And you dont need a dodge stack instead

[weak token]

decimator to brutal momentum, flak to unyielding

[forest scaffold]

replace decimator with brutal momentum

no

keep flak

you need it for bruiser oneshot bps

[tranquil bronze]

Flak is useless on rashad

[forest scaffold]

otherwise you can't oneshot dreg bruisers

[weak token]

u can hit it with headtaker stacks

[forest scaffold]

without headtaker stacks

and if given the option

I'd take the BP on dreg bruisers

and scab ragers

[weak token]

with unyielding it two can two shot bulwarks

[umbral parrot]

So, is this a god roll for Powersword? I am planning to swap out Elite for something else.

[weak token]

if the base modifier is good enough

[forest scaffold]

and a krak grenade oneshots them

and are literally infinite

building for crushers/bulwarks is stupid on veteran weapons

[weak token]

depends, there's a lot of them in damnation

[forest scaffold]

cause you get literally infinite krak grenades

[wanton dawn]

Its good roll yeah. Not great locked perk though

[unreal bone]

So what perk do I replace

[forest scaffold]

neither

[unreal bone]

I got 2 diff answers there

[forest scaffold]

keep em both

[unreal bone]

keep unarmored and flak?

[forest scaffold]

run with it as-is for now

get a feel for the weapon

[quick steeple]

+carapace gets you the 1hko combo on crushers, everything else below it dies as well

[forest scaffold]

then make an informed decision with playtime

not chat barking at you

Learn through personal experience.

[umbral parrot]

Yea, I've been thinking on it. I was debating between Maniac but Maulers/Crushers are heavy weights..... going with that!

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, good starting point. You might keep this for a very long while

[quick steeple]

actually try it first, you might actually hit combo thresh with elite possiibly lol

[sharp ember]

that’s a dead-killy combat axe, minding the mobility, you might just 1 shot every trash before you even need the missing dodges

[forest scaffold]

To reiterate: Keep this as-is. Run with it for a few hours. See what enemies you'd rather have BPs on if flak or unarmored aren't doing it for you.

[umbral parrot]

Let me check this out on the training room.

[forest scaffold]

But flak will hit everything in the game essentially.

and unarmored nets scab bruiser osbps raw

same with flak

without needing headtaker procced first

assuming you run +10% melee damage in the tree

[umbral parrot]

Lol damn, it takes 4 hits wit Elite perks

On head shots.

[wanton dawn]

Vet has 5 talents that passively increase melee dmg

[quick steeple]

that doesnt sound right... you doing the combo?

[wanton dawn]

Its hard to talk about bp without considering those talent

[forest scaffold]

Push Attack>Light Attack>Light Attack

[umbral parrot]

The combo? I just did 4 heavy strikes to finish it off.

[forest scaffold]

is the single target combo on power sword

the stab on push attack on mk6 power sword has giga finesse values

letting you oneshot crushers on the right build with a critical hit

And brings them into three shots otherwise

[umbral parrot]

REALLY!?

[wanton dawn]

Even without with the "right" build

[quick steeple]

you can cancel the charge anim with blockpush poke 0.3sec into it > immediate L bonk if ya wanna get fancy

[forest scaffold]

Uh. You need carapace and a tree fit for it if you don't have the perfect power sword

if you do, just carapace might do it?

[wanton dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1194999629083836567/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-01-11_14-40-16.mp4?ex=65b26521&is=659ff021&hm=7a7e812cd882effb8a6d19c09d1b927b016bebac99c286c87a8ff4245b8ee82d&

I never said it was reliable

[forest scaffold]

I mean

Zealot is the only class with reliable melee critical hits

and Ogryn has reliable if you like math for guns

[quick steeple]

thats what the followup Lbonk is for 😉 2taps lol

[forest scaffold]

And psyker can get near 100% critical hit rate on Columnus IAG

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but you lose style point

And discord argument

[forest scaffold]

33% critical hit chance on stubbers

[thick rose]

any vraks superfans got their talent tree handy?

[forest scaffold]

I struggle to see the point of the Vraks guns

speaking of them

Seems that Infantry Lasguns are just better in every way

[frank ledge]

grandmaster aim in CSGO

[thick rose]

gotta eat what the kitchen is cooking

[sharp ember]

vraks is comfy if you feel lazy and want to shoot at close range without losing any damage

[frank ledge]

global*

[umbral parrot]

HOLY! What other combos are out there that I do not know!? I actually pulled it off!

[elfin stump]

Except for keystone it's camo over 15 stacks

[tranquil bronze]

Babysitting is hard

[frank ledge]

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[quick steeple]

get the charge cancel timing down and you can use it for faster horde sweeps too

[tranquil bronze]

Should I get it for the blessing?

[forest scaffold]

Light>Heavy>Light>light>light>heavy on indignatus crusher

heavy>light>heavy>light on indignatus crushers

Light>heavy on mk2 eviscerator

light>heavy>light>light>light>heavy on mk2 eviscerator

Light>light>heavy on mk4 ogryn cleaver

push attack>light>Heavy on mk4 ogryn cleaver

Push attack>heavy on ogryn slab shield

uh

I dunno

I'm sure there's more

but those are the most "combo heavy" weapons as of right now

[thick rose]

you go flak maniac on vraks?

[forest scaffold]

you can get into the weeds with things like dueling swords with their special attack stab that will stun every enemy in the game but bosses.

[umbral parrot]

There needs to be a combo move list pinned somewhere. Thanks.

[quick steeple]

theres also block-cancelling the chain with a quick rclick to reset the movestring; works on basically all melee

timing /effectiveness varies

[sharp ember]

you can probably save your melkbucks by crafting up knives and getting t3 blessings that way

[thick rose]

evis can also block push > light / heavy

[tranquil bronze]

True

[thick rose]

for super safe horde

evis kinda murdered chsword enjoyment on vet for me

[forest scaffold]

mk13g

reinvigorate your love

[thick rose]

cool if true

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/v8hr7o

[thick rose]

I havent found one yet

[forest scaffold]

that said

even the mk4 chainsword is really dumb

especially with savage sweep

you can hit like 12 bruisers per swing with savage sweep+rampage on heavy attacks

[thick rose]

I should clarify its probably subjective as much as anything

I like the speed of the light chain on evis

chsword is too fast for me

[umbral parrot]

Thanks for the help everyone! ❤️

Don't really play Vet, so using the Powersword is very... enlightening!

[sterile wadi]

How's this for a Plasma

[elfin stump]

Brick

[quick steeple]

scrap it ya

[elfin stump]

Gloryhunter seems the only okay thing

[low yacht]

Is the catachan sword even worth using

The Devil's Claw haven't used it before

[forest scaffold]

volatile is fine

[quick steeple]

mk IV claw is bae

[forest scaffold]

gloryhunter sucks

so yeah

I'd say "unfixable"

plasma gun is something that demands you roll 2/4 to really make it fun to use

otherwise its just a bad ammo economy revolver

[low yacht]

Boltgun is the same

[quick steeple]

at least 1/4 lol

[low yacht]

Lasgun does it's job more often

[forest scaffold]

Boltgun hurts my soul.

[low yacht]

It's reliable in terms of hitting things

[forest scaffold]

It was super reliant on pinning fire being +100% power

Sure, there's ONE build on veteran that makes it okay.

But literally everything else does it but way better

MG12, MG1a, MGIV, helbore x3, all three headhunters

just. . . sure. You can have a really big DMR to feel like a space marine sorta kinda, but holy fuck is it bad now

[low yacht]

Space Marines don't have that issue

They have helmets that probably track for them.

[forest scaffold]

they in fact do

plenty of text going over it

[quick steeple]

lore-chat is leaking again lol

[forest scaffold]

the little knob above the barrel is the machine spirit's eye in the bolt guns

which links to the suit of armor