veteran-class

[sharp ember]

can't be sure with nurglites

[spark helm]

I like food.

I'm not sorry

Would you like some bread?

[wanton dawn]

I just ate fondue

[sharp ember]

i also wouldn't mind if we made off with his red plasma pistol or drum pump shotgun

[wanton dawn]

No more bread plz

[spark helm]

You just drank that?

Oh wait nvm I'm dumb.

Fondue the uh

[hearty panther]

his bottomless fucking ammo shotgun

[spark helm]

Cheese...?

[wanton dawn]

Yep

[spark helm]

Or that the chocolate one

Whats the chocolate one?

[gusty bison]

Only if it comes with gold flakes, sauteed goose liver, shredded shark fin with a side of caviar

[wanton dawn]

Melted cheese with bread

[gusty bison]

(It tastes like regular bread)

[hearty panther]

"wow, so expensive! it must be good!"

[wanton dawn]

Then when there is almost no cheese left, add an egg in the pot

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/aliphobe-spiderman-evaporating-reaching-spiderman-reaching-gif-18192576

Flavorless 400 dollar fucki ng food

Fuck

Fuck

[shut flax]

Cost and plate size obviously determine flavor

[wanton dawn]

Imagine trying to beat "jambon-beurre" by fancying up your sandwich

[spark helm]

I'm begging you just go to the diner where people get robbed

PLEASE

AT LEAST THE FOOD WILL ACTUALLY HIT

[shut flax]

Waffle house moment

[wanton dawn]

Bread butter and ham. Pickle if you feel fancy. The small one though

[hearty panther]

seriously the french solved food in the 70's

the answer is butter and salt

[wanton dawn]

Big pickle are yucky

[raw steppe]

fuk french ppl

[shut flax]

Italian food is pretty neato for the cost

[spark helm]

European cuisine arriving ages late again eh?

[wanton dawn]

[spark helm]

(Mostly facetious)

[hearty panther]

i do love a carbonara

[crude ermine]

Aw..

[spark helm]

It's okay. Fuck you.

[hearty panther]

but obviously the gold standard of all cuisine, the one which stands above them all ...

poutine

[shut flax]

They invented fries and the proper use of the guillotine. They get a pass(ish).

(they didn't invent fries)

[hearty panther]

i dont think the french invented freedom fries

[wanton dawn]

They did

Belgium like to think they did

[shut flax]

You're telling me Ireland didn't figure out fries before France did?

[gusty bison]

Ur telling me Ireland could afford oil?

[hearty panther]

they didnt have any potatoes to eat

[wanton dawn]

Nah, you need potato to make fries

[gusty bison]

isshot.

[shut flax]

Eh, good point.

[wanton dawn]

Damn, you got the same joke 3 times

[gusty bison]

Why do u think Ireland isnt part of NATO?

[ebon umbra]

star trek

[wanton dawn]

No potATO ?

[gusty bison]

Cos they didnt have any oil for the US to be interested in.

[shut flax]

Finally, a sensible answer to the sensitive geopolitical neutral climate of Ireland.

[wanton dawn]

Mine is worst

[gusty bison]

Aye ye

I was going for the different angle

[crude ermine]

US of A when you open a can of oil

[shut flax]

There's canned oil?

Oh wait, nevermind

Just remembered that I literally have a tin of olive oil in my pantry lol

[jaunty tinsel]

Is 20% increased power greater than a 15% increase to base damage?

I have no idea what the difference between the two is.

[tall torrent]

+1% power = +1% damage, +1% cleave and +1% stagger

[hearty panther]

So yes and no

[slate sleet]

holy moly

just had 3 double grenades in a row

the value!!!!

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dems-react-to-trump-victory-gif-7230195

[sterile wadi]

This worth buyin or no?

[wanton dawn]

Id go for t4 on melk

especially given your low reserve of melkbuck

[sterile wadi]

I obviously know what it means, but I just want to make sure you know what it means, whats t4 mean

:3

[wanton dawn]

Tier 4 blessing is what I mean

[sterile wadi]

Yeah I knew that

[slate sleet]

that axe is stinky dumb elf

[wanton dawn]

That's fine, everybody learn new things everyday

[tranquil bronze]

How's my power sword so far? I got the T4 PC from Melk.

[tall torrent]

Works

[slow spade]

Won't fail you

[serene bough]

if only finesse & mobility were swapped

[tranquil bronze]

If only

[serene bough]

but bromentum + PC is always good

[tranquil bronze]

What about perks? Should I swap to flak?

[serene bough]

dont think its necessary, carapace is fine

[tranquil bronze]

Gotcha

[serene bough]

may want to double check if flak helps against multiple bruisers better or not, otherwise the push attk combo will kill flak elites/specialists

[tranquil bronze]

Another one I'm happy with. I discovered that the difference between having and not having Flak was EXTREMELY miniscule.

[raw steppe]

Elites is good

[tranquil bronze]

For example: If I headshotted a flak gunner and no crit was procced, it would still have taken two shots to the head to kill.

This was on Damnation.

[sharp ember]

fair enuff if it doesn't change anything on most targets

[serene bough]

yeah im pretty sure the mg1a does the same, mg4 takes 3 without crit

[tranquil bronze]

Having Flak does very little difference is what I discovered.

[sharp ember]

that's the breakpoint game

[serene bough]

is why i prefer mg1a over mg12

[sharp ember]

only hangup will just be slowly shooting maulers in the chest

[serene bough]

at least in regards to hitting 1hko breakpoints

[tranquil bronze]

Maulers are always a pain in the ass... that will never change.

[serene bough]

slightly higher flak damage would be nice

[tranquil bronze]

For the Ia, I think it would definitely benefit more with having Flak

But the XII seems to hardly need it.

So I think it was right call to focus on blessings

[serene bough]

flak on Mg4 will push certain beakpoints to n-1 shots when combined with marksman focus

idk if its meaningful for mg1a, I havent used it enough

[north peak]

am i dumb or does the XII got reverse dmg falloff?

[tranquil bronze]

Reverse how?

[sharp ember]

yes, all kantraels and helbores do

[north peak]

further hit harder

[tranquil bronze]

Ah

[sharp ember]

recon lasguns and laspistols don't

[tranquil bronze]

I don't think they have damage falloff

[sharp ember]

they got that fall-ON

[north peak]

good to know

[serene bough]

funny enough, helbore doesn't have reverse fall off on certain enemies with charged shots, likely a bug

[sharp ember]

the enigma that is charged helbore state

[serene bough]

warp trickery

[tranquil bronze]

Would helbore benefit from the Opening Salvo blessing?

[north peak]

can't have it

[tranquil bronze]

Oof

[north peak]

yuh

i like it on my XII tho

[grave beacon]

whats the best braced autogun?

[muted knot]

Agripinaa

[slate sleet]

they are all good

[muted knot]

Graia is absolutely infuriating

[sharp ember]

agri is easiest to use and has +1 cleave, but columnus and graia are better for using Onslaught talent

[muted knot]

No stagger on graia

[slate sleet]

graia is fun

only issue is trying to hit snipers with it

[grave beacon]

rn i have agri mk vIII

[river escarp]

Has anybody else realized that right now you dont really need a melee weapon with the veteran ?

[atomic zephyr]

you definitely do

[copper pine]

Uh...

[atomic zephyr]

unless

helbore bayonet

[river escarp]

Mk II Helbore bayonet

I havent used a melee in 2 weeks

[atomic zephyr]

ok that's the exception

[copper pine]

I was bracing myself for a hot take

[shut flax]

You can definitely build for minimal melee use, but you still gotta use it every so often.

[river escarp]

It stun locks maniacs and 2 shots mutants

[slate sleet]

yes yes we know the bayonet is really good

dont need this hot info every hour

[shut flax]

The bayonet existing really makes me question the "meta", in which what actually qualifies as meta? The bayonet on helbore makes it a very good pick, the columnus is a very good pick, the revolver is a very good pick, the bolter does good work, and the plasma is just easy mode.

[south garnet]

ooooo some silly billy snuck back into the office to send a tweet! whoever that was, chain them to their desk, vacation's over pal!

back to the cosmetic mines!

[hearty panther]

the answer is that there is no real 'meta' because frankly the game is not hard enough that you need specific builds or weapons of any kind to ensure a chance to win

[wanton dawn]

Meta outside of plasma is being figured out because ppl are bored

[shut flax]

Plasma is just boring in general

[wanton dawn]

Other gun are harder to build tree for

[hearty panther]

i wish plasma would kill me more

[shut flax]

Just be a psyker and build incorrectly

[raw steppe]

Plasma being overtuned is solely due to ammo aura

Once they remove it, the ammo limitations of the weapons will let the weaknesses be more apparent

[shut flax]

I hope it doesn't lead to survivalist getting nerfed. Running crit columnus with the ammo perk and survivalist is hilariously ammo efficient

[hearty panther]

ammo aura certainly exists and is ridiculous but really even with it plasma's ammo efficiency can be pretty atrocious

[raw steppe]

Plasma actually has pretty poor ammo eff without aura

[hearty panther]

just in general lol

[raw steppe]

Theres a 30% less pickups multiplier i believe

[hearty panther]

you gotta get some real juicy collats on all your shots to break even

[south garnet]

the endgame meta is just all the shittiest weapons and blessings which you've gone out of your way to make functional builds for out of boredom

[hearty panther]

truth

[shut flax]

Bayonet moment

And fair. I think there's just "autopilot" tier like the plasma, and "naturally strong" like the revolver and columnus.

Hell, I think we only found the columnus build and made it popular just a few days ago

[south garnet]

Yea, there are high/low-thought weapons for sure. Which is fine, but high-thought weapons should also reward investment of player skill and attention accordingly

Which they don't always, and it makes their existence annoying

[hearty panther]

graia brauto will be the next flavour of the month

[shut flax]

True. Like the crit columnus is a small overhaul of your general playstyle if you lean into it.

[south garnet]

I used to really like the graia IAG but now it's eh comparitively

[shut flax]

Revo is just managing downtime. Bolter is managing ammo and its horrid speed.

Idk. I think shotguns are gonna be the next flavor.

Specifically the slug one.

[south garnet]

Agri shotgun is a wicked good time

[shut flax]

Actually, can the fire from the kantrael IX crit?

The dragon's breath one

[south garnet]

Not sure whether the fire can crit or not, what I do know is that if you crit on a special round you proc both burn and bleed

with flechette

[shut flax]

... I wonder if man stopper can pierce through hordes and burn all of them

[south garnet]

Special round already has unlimited cleave, man stopper is pointless with it

And yes, it can

Burn an entire horde

[shut flax]

The fire pierces through a horde?

[south garnet]

Yes

[shut flax]

Huh, didn't play around with it enough

In that case, flachette and scattershot with deadshot can be funny

espeically if it can crit. Gonna try it out later.

[hearty panther]

and bulwark shields

man even walls used to not stop it lmao

[south garnet]

I honestly wish they didn't remove that lol

But, it's fine

[shut flax]

I wonder if they'll introduce a gun that lets you pierce a wall or two to pair with ES

[south garnet]

Plasma?

[shut flax]

It goes through walls?

[south garnet]

Charged shots

[wanton dawn]

Man, the guy who said something about dodging ppl with non-damnation twins emblem on maelstrom might had a point

[south garnet]

The meme is using ES and clearing the next room before you ever walk into it

using plasma

In practice even with both I rarely do that, but you certainly can

[shut flax]

The damnation emblem means they're good at pubbing. If they have the hard mode one, it generally means they have a decent four stack lol

You CAN get it in pubs, but damn. That's a lot of time.

[south garnet]

(some level geometry does preclude shot penetration - you get a feel for what does or doesn't block shots)

[hearty panther]

tbh back when kantrael shot through walls i used it almost exclusively for saves

shooting a dog off your shitty teammate four rooms ahead

[wanton dawn]

I got the hm in pubs multiple times

[hearty panther]

or just endlessly firing again and again in their direction from literally anywhere so that things arent hitting them while down

[shut flax]

Bring the power back to power fantsasy

[wanton dawn]

The 1st one is the hardest

[south garnet]

I got my hard mode one on I think like my 6th pub attempt

[spark helm]

Haven't done the hard mode yet. Haven't cared enough but its probably fun.

[shut flax]

Ah, nice. I must've just gotten the shaft then lol. Plus I kinda need completions for materials.

[south garnet]

Wasn't too bad, it's easier with people who are willing to talk through team comp and settle into a flow

[wanton dawn]

One good gunlugger ogryn and one good mark vet bring all you need damage wise

[spark helm]

Fs boss fight boss fights are usually interesting to me. Save for uh the one guy in the snow level for vt2. He was a pushover.

[south garnet]

It's really fun, feels like an actual challenge honestly, a 'real' boss fight.

Assassination missions feel downright embarrassing now

[shut flax]

Yeahhhh

[spark helm]

They were kind of whatever to begin with no?

[south garnet]

Very, but even moreso having seen what FS can actually do when they try

[spark helm]

They felt more akin to vt2 boss fights to a degree. The easier ones at least.

[shut flax]

Before zealots had a tried and true oneshot build, they were actually kinda interesting. They were easy, but interesting.

[spark helm]

Excellent. I got real beef with the twins for that weirdo fnf shit they did to me the first time I met both of them during the event.

I hate them.

[shut flax]

Idk. I kinda wish they would experiment with mechanics in boss fights, but at the same time that might be a nightmare.

[south garnet]

I keep hoping whatever fat deposit is clogging FS' main artery slips loose and the blood flow reactivates the part of their brains that remembers what they learned during VT2

[shut flax]

Payday 3 moment

[spark helm]

Bro just looking at me like they wasn't just creepered up in the corner. Staring at me bro

I was mad as hell.

And then just smokes away after catching some crucis bonks.

Bitches.

I'm still sick about it fr.

Warframe stalker type shit.

[south garnet]

I have to be honest, to me it looks like the guy is dropping smelly baby diapers all over the place. The fact I just had a kid probably colors that but I can't suppress the mirage

[spark helm]

Idk how theynchanged or if stalker even exists anymore but I hated his ass.

[south garnet]

guy gets scared and throws used diapers at you to keep you from closing range

[spark helm]

The recon gun sound reminds me of toddlers making bubble noises. Like a cacophony of activated day car kids collectives bbbbbbststststststststs over some cube or whatever

It's either that or the berserker piss gun I call it.

[south garnet]

lmao

[spark helm]

I just like loud hilariously angry sounding guns in games.

[tiny summit]

Need rgb lights and shoot to the tune of caramelldansen

[spark helm]

Destiny 2 has this one vicious mid shotgun that's an exotic tier wep but it's like...so violent and loud while firing so quick.

DJAJDJDJA - four horseman magazine.

[frank basin]

D2 shotgun like 5 feet do real damage

[spark helm]

Like--who the fuck are you trying to kill so hard bro?

What did they do?

[shut flax]

Exist, probably

It's not their fault they're made out of loot

[spark helm]

I mean yesh

Its a weapon of some space imperialist styled heavily by Roman shit so

Eh

[frank basin]

Shotgun in destiny 2 game so arcade-ish

[spark helm]

It's great

[shut flax]

I mean there's a bow that uses a full ass chain as a string. Every shot is with malicious intent to kill.

[spark helm]

And stupid. Bungie shotgun gaming.

[frank basin]

Shotgun like be op as they told

[spark helm]

Leviathan breath is such a cool concept for a weapon. Sucked for a while though.

[shut flax]

Shotguns in Destiny genuinely became a moral debate after a while

[frank basin]

They make 5 feet effective range just pure wacky mostly pvp

[frank basin]

Realism vs arcade

[spark helm]

They're definitely like a staple power weapon per bungue design. Similar to pulse rifles and revolvers

[frank basin]

Real life shotgun go up 40 yards

[spark helm]

When they're very overtuned.

[shut flax]

Levi is absolutely amazing at the moment. I think it outdamages sleeper. Though yeah, it was kind of a meme for a bit.

[frank basin]

Heavy ammo bow

Yah fun looking

[spark helm]

Bungie is obsessed since forever always with burst fire battle rifles, shotguns, hand cannons and...I want to say sniper rifles.

[shut flax]

A team of leviathan's users can one phase raid bosses fairly easily, espeically with the right setup.

[frank basin]

They made Revision Zero

[spark helm]

I love that thing

[shut flax]

Also Wish Ender

[spark helm]

It's hilarious

[frank basin]

I got RZ after playing with my friend

[spark helm]

Oh? Two guns for one? And they're not terrible in pvp? Lol aight thanks. :^)

[shut flax]

Granted, I might be the only dedicated Manticore user to exist, but that gun is peak Bungie design.

[frank basin]

Bring plasma gun in destiny crucible see how they will make community malding

[shut flax]

Like, it's GM ready if you build around it. Monarque tier.

[spark helm]

Shotguns in pvp were definitely very annoying at multiple points. Also they became less annoying when I just...stopped getting close.

Lol

[frank basin]

Man GM is feel like Auric mission

[spark helm]

It'd just be some goofy liner fusion rifle. Most people not too bad at pvp will just play around your charges.

D2 pvp fiends are some of the biggest crybabies I've ever met. Sometimes with none of the sense behind arguments or gameplay.

[shut flax]

I fuckin love GMs. The worst part about them are the "LFG META KWTD NEED CONQ 4" people though.

[spark helm]

Just nerds with knowledge advantages that crumble when you start to really get a feel for the flow of the game.

[frank basin]

Pvp community always get upset over need balance and nerf or buff

[shut flax]

Imagine maining PVP in a PVE game.

[frank basin]

That’s why I stop play d2 because gatekeeping

[spark helm]

D2 pvp reddit wants this game to be esports so fucking bad.

[shut flax]

Yeah... My clan has two bungie employees in it and it's so GATEKEEPY. I hated it.

[frank basin]

Bungie already killing their own

[spark helm]

Its not happening. Bungie has never really cared for it. Halo been a Mario kart clown game since day 1 no matter what mlg has to say about it.

[shut flax]

Given the develoment hell of Halo 2, I agree there.

[frank basin]

Major league gaming?

[spark helm]

Mhm.

[frank basin]

That’s very joke and old

Mlg is a thing?

[spark helm]

I know.

[south garnet]

So fucking true

[serene sage]

League?

Of Legends?

[shut flax]

League of Dota?

[frank basin]

No, Mlg

[south garnet]

League of Infinite Ancients

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rekt-gif-25016725

This kind shit

[shut flax]

I can hear that fucking gif.

[serene sage]

Defense?

[spark helm]

Yes, make voidwalker not dunk a fuck all basketball grape on the lobby heads.

Mhm. Make that into some stuffy esport.

You kidding me?

[serene sage]

Of the Ancient?

[spark helm]

I hate Warlock too. That shit is hilarious though

Guns? Nah. Space grape bitch

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-reach-destiny2-warlock-gif-20747161

[shut flax]

"Why aren't you running well?" - Metaslave

[frank basin]

Div-bitch

[serene sage]

Well I'm sure glad I don't piss with my hands

[spark helm]

Dude just play the encounter you crybaby

😛

[shut flax]

Correct answer lol

[frank basin]

Well running with Divinity-(bitch)

[spark helm]

You'll live. It's not that hard. We're fighting fucking uh, that shit chest robot in the vex crypt thing.

[south garnet]

gamerstew john dew mountainsupp fueltag rankdrink

[shut flax]

I once got bitched at for playing stasis verglas hunter and they had absolutely zero issues with ammo or specials and I had the third highest DPS in the final encounter. Kept orbs up as well.

People just can't think outside of what they're told, damn.

[frank basin]

GoS goes hard (very hard)

[south garnet]

I have never played destiny and I will never play destiny and bungie can't make me

[spark helm]

I had this one guy just slur sling the moment we made one mistake during a casual, safe run of vault of glass.

Dude. My clan best makes this guy look like an infant and they're not even an ass about it.

[shut flax]

It's... Not good to get into right now.

[frank basin]

Can’t have fun when bungie design control your player style. And people gonna say “is their intention design stop using darci in this raid”

[shut flax]

It's like a retirement home for millennial FPS players.

[spark helm]

I'd say probably just continue being okay with not experiencing it. Bungies corporate interests are very aggressively running the game down much more after a struggle of time the devs laboring where going about changing and actually finishing the project wholesale.

Massive, major layoff type beat

[shut flax]

There's much better games that fill that grind. Plus, Destiny suits actively work against the dev teams.

[spark helm]

It's getting much much worse.

[frank basin]

Therefore I spent most on warframe grinding get burnout

[shut flax]

Horribly so. I'd wager a strike is almost on the horizon about mistreatment of development teams.

[frank basin]

Strike reskin

[shut flax]

It's RAMPANT

[spark helm]

I mean, I just want gaming as an industry to catch hell

[shut flax]

It's mirroring the game stagnation back in the 80s

[spark helm]

It's already at critical mass and is ruining people left and right more than it already did.

It's really fucked.

[south garnet]

Yeah I'm fine not playing more liveservice games. Warframe already made me borderline suicidal at one point in time and now I have darktide to fuel my anger and resentment

[spark helm]

I'm just not as educated on the subject yet.

[frank basin]

Fr I already burnout with the grind

[spark helm]

But uh...yeah this games as a service shit is a MAJOR culprit.

[shut flax]

Cold Take has some fairly well researched videos on the subject.

Also, the live service bubble just collapsed so that's definitely a blow to gaming.

[spark helm]

I can give it a look for more research. YouTube can helpful as a launchpad at times.

[south garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw&t=2s
A good one

[spark helm]

Just hate the chud blogs I've stumbled into just...wasting my game with gamebro tears.

[frank basin]

Man not even my dream game going be fun if is a Gaas game

[shut flax]

Absolutely. The dude gives pretty good areas to research into further as well to get a foothold.

Blogs are the worst. I hate writing them. I hate reading them. Just SEO pandering bullshit.

[frank basin]

Is Gaas really that bad?

[shut flax]

Glad I left that behind me.

[spark helm]

Mhm. Thanks. I know some friends deep enough in the industry that have elaborated on how some shit goes down on average

[fast cargo]

Y'all seen this drek?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/darktide-veteran-weapon-unlocks-comprehensive-2024-guide-hossain-ev5ic#:~:text=The Long Las sniper rifle,can one-shot most enemies

[frank basin]

This looks old

That image

[fast cargo]

My favorite quote

[hollow ibex]

Is this written by ChatGPT

[fast cargo]

Think somebody set an AI to making an article

[spark helm]

This is me butchering a lot of nuance: gaas really REALLY limits dev labor initiative and is actively a self-sabotaging marketing plan for game production that workers often end up being shafted to deal with since it's a standardized industry mechanism.

[shut flax]

"Use recon trust me bro" - Sun Tsu, probably

[fast cargo]

Think so, somebody over in the Ogryn channel found it

[hollow ibex]

Would make sense

[fast cargo]

Apparently the Zealots are getting a Thunder Hammer in the near future

[frank basin]

This problem how to pay dev out when making big game. Finish product taking too long?

[fast cargo]

Truly unexpected

[shut flax]

More companies are doing it. AI writing has a weird flavor to it that tips off Google's SEO rating system and forces it lower. There just aren't enough case studies about it yet, so medium business owners are flocking to the easy next thing.

It's the next NFT.

[frank basin]

Gaas just slow burn making money

[shut flax]

It fucking sucks.

[spark helm]

Well that's the thing. These aren't projects meant to be erected and completed. They're meant to continue.

[frank basin]

Which I like continue until the end

[fast cargo]

Ik, but it's so bad that it's worth a look just to laugh at

And why LinkedIn?

[frank basin]

Since I’m dwelling game dev making games

[south garnet]

See, that defeats the purpose. I'm the ones who's supposed to be erect to completion

[spark helm]

No smoke to you, but that's a major part of the problem from a labor perspective.

[frank basin]

Gaas something I like when making a medium or big game

[frank basin]

Wydm labor problem?

[spark helm]

The people actually having to make the game.

[shut flax]

A big issue of the entertainment, and the video game industry, is that suits tend to view it as a linear money model. For art, time =/= money. Dev teams and creators are overworked and overpromised to finish a product in the least amount of time to make money.

BG3 challenges this linear money model, and suits don't like it because it proves to them that shelling out polished shovelware isn't the best option to make a return.

[spark helm]

^

[shut flax]

Read the case studies of Sly Cooper and Halo 2 and compare.

[frank basin]

Making full product is gambling

[spark helm]

Not inherently though.

[frank basin]

Is sound risk to make full game and sell it

[terse idol]

I mean kinda, it just depends what resonates

[frank basin]

When game could go flop mistake

[shut flax]

Not always. That gambling is also what created the gaming silver age of the PS2.

[spark helm]

That's more from a marketing angle, less so than just what games are for people that are interested.

[frank basin]

I means people going to buy or not there’s genre demands

[shut flax]

Nobody knew that Viewtiful Joe would make as much money as it did. Sly Cooper was just an idea. Ratchet and Clank was entirely new.

Granted, a fair share of research and UI development went into making it as profitable as possible.

[south garnet]

videogames suck ass

name one (1) single good game

yea didn't think so

[spark helm]

These genre demands are more of a symptom of steered media trends monitored by shareholders looking for as many ways to set up major production campaigns years in advanced for companies with workers that have to do the actual work and learn and all that

[raw steppe]

not gambling is how we end up with iron age of both video games and movies

[shut flax]

A good example of the risk that you're talking about is Fear and Hunger. It genuinely is just an idea of a troubled developer going through a tough time, and it got immensely popular.

[raw steppe]

2023 was definitely the dark age of movies

[shut flax]

Yep.

[raw steppe]

disney made so many shitty remakes

[frank basin]

Making game just risking sales some dev hiring one of them aren’t that much passion if I understand it

[shut flax]

"Whoa, that happened"

• 4 different movies

[raw steppe]

all shit

i dont even care if they try to peddle some woke message

[frank basin]

Creating game feel risking bankruptcy

[raw steppe]

just make the movie good at least

[spark helm]

It's a lot more like, entire swathes of devs being forced from studio to studio though.

Developer burnout is a direct result of economics.

[raw steppe]

if you're gonna tell everyone how to think

but if they're gonna both try to be woke AND make shit movies

[shut flax]

How is this different from any other creation agency? Inserting a budget in an investment can lead to a positive or negative return.

[raw steppe]

yikers

[shut flax]

The websites you visit are a part of a similar structure.

[spark helm]

Plenty of movies with "woke" messaging that do well and are just good.

Shallow corporate pr grandstanding is one thing, artistically bound and salient media is another.

[shut flax]

Granted, there's rules that restrict what can and can't be done on websites (thanks W3Cx).

[frank basin]

Well 7dtd is Gaas system support mods. Mods support help game go live on. They still Alpha stages.

[raw steppe]

correct; for example barbie had super woke messaging but was still worth watching imo

but shit like the marvels

i didnt even go see it

cuz it looked so awful

[spark helm]

? It's not even "woke".

[hollow ibex]

I want vet chat back

[shut flax]

Marvel movies are the COD of cinema. It's not woke, just overdone.

[south garnet]

i hate videogames

[spark helm]

Mcu films are literally filtered through the American department of defense for consessions that amoun to "praise our media image jnterest or lose funding"

[frank basin]

More like hate creating video games

[raw steppe]

wasn't the whole shtick that it was the first marvel movie where the director was female or sth?

i dont remember and i dont care

[frank basin]

This veteran class chat become off topic

I’m still listening

[shut flax]

It usually happens at this hour

[raw steppe]

i just know that the movie was dogshit

[spark helm]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about exactly how mov9es like mcu films get to be greenlit.

[tiny summit]

Less funding and more "you want that authentic base background for your movies right?"

[spark helm]

Oh no, you get your shit pulled pulled.

Advisors, props, stunt training, etc.

[shut flax]

Even movies like Hereditary get pushed through a filter.

[static locust]

What you reckon, take or leave?

[shut flax]

The filter does change over time. I doubt another Shawshank would be made, but another Lebowski could exist.

[spark helm]

You take massive hits to your production potential at that point. And Hollywood is about the dollars. You'll be allowed to flop or squeezed down to the point where you're not making anything with a film.

[hearty panther]

id leave it

[zealous wyvern]

why no other shawshank?

[tiny summit]

Not even t4 blessing or 80 dmg/stopping power nah imo

[shut flax]

Eh, I retract that statement. I'm realizing I'm not informed enough to follow up.

[static locust]

Cheers folks, I'll save my Milk money for another day

[spark helm]

Like whatever the "x is woke" shit is whatever the fuck that really means for people these days. Actually understanding why shit is turned out the way it is before any media literacy helps imo.

[slow spade]

Na that's perfect for Vet chat

[frank basin]

Is society become idiocracy?

[slow spade]

In fact, double down next time

[spark helm]

Idiocracy is a terrible film

[frank basin]

Bad message?

[spark helm]

Mostly imo.

[tiny summit]

When using US military assets for filming it is kinda understood that if the gov is shown in a negative light it has to be some "rogue actor"

[slow spade]

Not enough guns

My Vet brain demands more guns

[frank basin]

Idiocracy just saying America society on media news is brainrot

[slow spade]

Melta gun when?

[shut flax]

Jarhead moment

[leaden grove]

i fucking love vet

[frank basin]

Like politics debate pointless

[leaden grove]

honestly favorite class

[south garnet]

this

[shut flax]

"RECON IS THE BEST GUN EVER MADE"

I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL

Better?

[leaden grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-slayer-vermintide-gif-24272560

[spark helm]

Not really. It's making the claim that American society and culture has been reduced to stupidity by "stupid" people being allowed to breed. I've seen the film.

It's shit shlock trying to make a point about something that has been a problem with the country from its inception. And it has nothing to do with people being uneducated exclusively.

[south garnet]

admitting any form of ignorance or much worse, having made a mistake is an overt display of weakness

[spark helm]

How do you think people are made to be undereducated?

[south garnet]

even when I'm wrong I'm always right

[muted knot]

Me when I see a elf

[frank basin]

Consume too much social media?

[spark helm]

?

Idk what you mean by that

[shut flax]

How draconian

[south garnet]

what do dragons have to do with it

[frank basin]

Like everyone eyes on phones

[leaden grove]

man i love the power sword

[frank basin]

They watch something rotting their mind

[shut flax]

Cars, probably.

[frank basin]

They do stupid things outside

[spark helm]

Start with austerity policies aimed at defunding schools.

Start with that

[frank basin]

Grade is useless

[shut flax]

Compared to?

[frank basin]

Rewarding doesn’t feel motivate

[slow spade]

:D

[spark helm]

Compared to jumping to social media use as the bigger issue.

Systemic issues have systemic symptoms and sources.

[shut flax]

Oh, I was responding to pizza.

[spark helm]

Not breakneck guessing.

[shut flax]

But yeah.

[spark helm]

Ah I see you. Np

[frank basin]

School doesn’t let you have critical thinkings

[south garnet]

fats loudly

[frank basin]

They all time memorization

Teach you be obedient

No question authorities

[spark helm]

Standardized curriculums are antithetical to critical thinking development. Correct.

[frank basin]

Just shaping you slave to corporate

[spark helm]

And because they're not cost effective to deviate from for people making the most out of them, they're pushed harder on to people, young and old.

[shut flax]

Standardized testing does stagnate potential growth in academics. It's absolutely a fault of the current system, however, it isn't necessarily the only option.
The system is very much geared to shape you into a cog.

[spark helm]

So if you're operating off of that as a metric for say, public school funding, you can justify axing entire leagues of funds that could've been used for building maintenance, higher teacher salaries, safer learning environments, etc.

Because your district in say, America, is chronically never equipped to make the mark for because they'd already been denied what they'd need.

And most of the people affected are literally people that cannot afford to be shorted an education generationally.

My source: literally having experienced schooling in both privileged and underprivileged environments.

[shut flax]

I actually wrote a thesis on this. The lack of inherent funding or appreciation for education will impact families adhering to the standardized curriculum than otherwise.
In short, poorer schools underpreform while overfunded schools also underperform due to a misallocation of funds.

This similar phenomenon also applies to, ironically, public art.

[spark helm]

Shit, if we're only talking about America, lmao good fucking luck with that standardized shit. Some the dumbest mfkers come out of ivy league circles. Degrees and all.

[frank basin]

Some just point out blatantly someone underperformed in school have mental ill.

[shut flax]

Agreed*

[muted knot]

Brothers

[spark helm]

I remember the whole shitstorm about Harvard uppity family bribes.

Like m8, yall just now figuring this shit out? Stop the cap yall been knew.

[muted knot]

How does this apply to veteran

Does it make me hit breakpoints?

[spark helm]

Veterans are often from poor families.

[shut flax]

I honestly appreciate the UX environemnt at the moment. A degree isn't necessarily required, as personality overstates qualifications.

... Yeah.

[muted knot]

Plasma should be buffed

Too little damage

Same with revolver

[shut flax]

The breakpoint is PTSD and VA understaffing.

[muted knot]

Also nerf recon las

[spark helm]

Ph shit I chuckled. Soberly.

[frank basin]

“War is when young and stupid get tricked by old and bitter into killing each other”

[spark helm]

Wait till they hear about VA embezzlement

[shut flax]

The VA is just a mess on top of a mess.

A shit sandwich, if you will.

[muted knot]

Not even my trump card helped

[spark helm]

I wonder how many officers get some payouts...hm...

[muted knot]

Oh well

[frank basin]

Veteran homeless get neglected

I even met one veteran

Homeless

[shut flax]

The only officers that I've ever seen have issues with post-separation were subs guys.

Subs get fuckin shafted for how much we do.

But those who work closely with the VA in processing do weirdly well financially. Hm.

[terse idol]

This is why if you got any health injury in the army you write that shit down

[shut flax]

If you do it too early in your contract,they'll argue that it happened prior to service.

[frank basin]

Did army avoid paying injured Vet?

[shut flax]

The DoD does well to pay benefits, but it's getting them that's a fuckin battle.

[terse idol]

I know my friend and fhey got bipolar disorder from the marines, they got it written down and they're getting payed 2k a month for their entire life

[spark helm]

Whenever a gagglefuck of some of the richest people under capital want something, entire grups of people are required to be murdered and exploited for their interests to be secured.

every cultural engineering campaign needed to keep people that would likely never join their shit to sign up get tricked and the cycle continues.

[terse idol]

You have to make sure you write it all down regardless

[spark helm]

It's not board members fighting wars in the middle east

[frank basin]

True

[terse idol]

I mean just try they can try to argue it but this is why you get all that shit written down

[shut flax]

Got diagnosed with depression, night terrors, and PTSD from navigating subs and I only get like, $160 per month. Your guy got lucky.

[terse idol]

Better documented than nothing

[frank basin]

I live in poor

[terse idol]

Oof owie

[frank basin]

Poor get exploited easily

[spark helm]

not for long

it never lasts forever.

[frank basin]

Only they revolt

[spark helm]

Good.

[frank basin]

They dispiese the riches

[spark helm]

As long as they aren't trying to pull some nazi type shit, good for them.

[shut flax]

Your honor, I plead "In Minecraft".

[spark helm]

no love for an energy industry board executive

[shut flax]

But yeah. Change rarely comes peaceful.

[spark helm]

fuck em

[shut flax]

The Texas grid hadn't changed a bit because people forgot about it. 50 people died for nothing.

[frank basin]

We know nestle take over water privatization

[spark helm]

I know someone that's neighbors with people that damn near froze to death.

[serene sage]

damn liberals, if they really cared they would have fixed the grid

that's why i don't vote

[frank basin]

School and workplace was never democracy

[spark helm]

That fucker, whatever his name is, dude for texas. beyond shameless.

him and all his cronies.

[shut flax]

Libertarians really should advocate for sustainability via solar throughout Texas. That's just me though. State-wide grids have already failing miserably.

[shut flax]

Went on vacation too.

[frank basin]

So you live in Texas? One of y’all?

[south garnet]

I boil old batteries and pour it out into my local crik

[spark helm]

Good luck trusting american libertarians with that kind of task.

[tiny summit]

going to texas for work tomorrow

[muted knot]

I drink it

[south garnet]

Smart, conserving energy

[serene sage]

Ted Rafael Cruz, the Canadian born Senator?

[tiny summit]

all serious nuclear. its just a spicy steam engine

[muted knot]

Makes me feel all tingly

[shut flax]

At this point, it really should just be called "legacy libertarian" to advocate for personal freedoms.

[spark helm]

those fucks mostly just want to bring back cotton plantations and rape houses far as I've seen.

[shut flax]

Extremist values have gotten wildly popular as of late.

[spark helm]

Every jackass I've met in real time claiming to be a libertarian from america is a creep on average.

[frank basin]

I’m a simple man has view despised on corporations

[shut flax]

I believe the term "libertarian" is different than "liberal" nowadays somehow.

[spark helm]

Hopelessly missing the point, completely delusional, horrible ideas of how history works.

[serene sage]

It is WILDLY different what

[spark helm]

historically speaking, they're all full of shit.

just a different method of dropping it all on the floor.

[serene sage]

Libertarian belives in no regulations, no taxations, small government, small gov spending

Liberal agenda is the anti thesis of it

[tiny summit]

most self proclaimed libertarians arent real anyways, they just wanna feel like they are above the duopoly

[serene sage]

they have as much similarity as car and carpet

[frank basin]

Liberal just changes on government and people?

[long skiff]

Libertarians believe that there are problems, and that making the people who are supposed to fix those problems weaker will somehow solve those problems

[shut flax]

Actually a good reference point ahaha

Cunningham's law strikes again

[spark helm]

they can't be bothered to meaningfully walk back and understand history, even when they try to whip out their impotent econ dicks.

morons, the lot of em.

[frank basin]

Did we jump topic from video game issue to politics?

[crude ermine]

Average vet chat convo

[long skiff]

But uh... how does this have anything to do with the Veteran class from the hit video game Warhammer 40,000: Darktide?

[serene sage]

I believe in higher taxes, even though my eye waters every fucking time I look at my paycheck

[spark helm]

Every idea I've ever heard is just economically regressive politicking masquerading as intellectualism.

[shut flax]

By talking about actual veterans. It happens.

[serene sage]

the taxman claims 1/4 of my earnings 😭

[tiny summit]

they will gargle bezos monarch balls as long as it isnt called a gov

[teal abyss]

Still beats zealot chat

[spark helm]

zealot chat has way more fun

the shitposting is great.

[frank basin]

What they have?

[teal abyss]

Shit is deranged

[shut flax]

Is it ogryn chat level of shitposting?

[spark helm]

Shit is chaotic.

[serene sage]

do they fuck pokemons though

[shut flax]

Something something batman

[spark helm]

how many femboy pfp do you see?

riddle me this mudkip

lmao

[serene sage]

here? or in zel chat

[spark helm]

zel

[serene sage]

I tend to avoid that place

that's why im asking

[spark helm]

I mean at least it's not like gross fucked up shit

[serene sage]

[spark helm]

just dumbass honry posting mosto f the time

surprisingly, some really refreshing rainbow brigade talk amongst themselves.

[serene sage]

are you saying that vet chat is some how the more mature chat of the two?

[spark helm]

which is ironic sort of considering who I usually think is super hard for zealots.

[tiny summit]

first experience of zealot chat was going in to ask about heavy swords and it was the disccusion of th increase of femboys after ww2

[frank basin]

Man I’ll never achieve my dream game

[shut flax]

Swapped over and saw War Thunder. Certified gamer socks moment.

[frank basin]

It’s over

[teal abyss]

No I was

[spark helm]

I'd say they;re more mature.

[shut flax]

Your start date was five minutes ago. Doing is the crux of action.

[spark helm]

vet chat is a lot of stuffy shit by comparison

live a little.

[frank basin]

What’s that means?

[spark helm]

post dickbutt or something

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut flax]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[teal abyss]

And it is lol my first character was a zealot and I had to stop going into that chat because 3/4 of the time they’re talking about things completely unrelated or getting mad at each other about hurting feelings

[spark helm]

I mean.

[serene sage]

and you... come here?

[frank basin]

I’m serious

[spark helm]

Zealots are sensitive you know?

All that repressed kindness.

[serene sage]

have you seen when vet chat has a melt down

[spark helm]

give em a break

[teal abyss]

On average much more on focus and less chaotic

[shut flax]

You gotta start to finish, y'know? You can't give up on something you haven't started yet.

[spark helm]

hollup I got you

[serene sage]

and people start arguing about the tiniest hill?

[spark helm]

lacerate/mercy kill really not that bad.

[serene sage]

myself included

[tiny summit]

what all class chats share? calling the other classes OP (they still admit they have op shit but still)

[spark helm]

it's a bait. do it for the bit yall

come on

pls?

[serene sage]

i don't use knife

[frank basin]

Well that I made map self learning map designing and some little coding in variety different game platform

[serene sage]

can't take the bait if i can't eat it

[spark helm]

fair

[frank basin]

I start doubt I won’t do in real game

[spark helm]

i'll try soemthing else eventually.

maybe some machine pistol claims.

[shut flax]

An idea is like a seed. You need to nurture and believe in it. Above my desk is a hardcover book by an author named Matthew Croutch.

He is an author who hand wrote his first manuscript despite having cerebral palsy. If he can do it, so can I. So can you.

[spark helm]

hm...

[frank basin]

Idea?

[serene sage]

I am not sure if deliberately getting cerebral palsy is a good goal

but good for him

[shut flax]

I hear it's contagious

Be careful in the wild

[spark helm]

not too bad. needs more spice.

[frank basin]

Okay i see a little

[spark helm]

i almost jumped at it

I need to study my med notes instead.

lol

[serene sage]

med student?

[frank basin]

Is just what am going to do when am get older when I have nothing to do around

[spark helm]

maybe. eventually. money is a curse.

[frank basin]

Parent told you need job

Society doesn’t care what job you have

[serene sage]

then get one bro

[frank basin]

Nor about you

[spark helm]

hollup lemme just pull up to the medical degree/license store.

they got a sale for 57% off.

I got you

[frank basin]

I have no necessity like car drive to work

[shut flax]

I went out and got lucky and worked remotely as a writer despite being in nautical and maintenance all my life.

To get lucky, you need to start. If you don't start, you'll never get lucky.

[serene sage]

😔 oh yeah that's a rough one

[frank basin]

I’m dumb to start I’m not entrunaper

[shut flax]

Oh shit lemme get on that

[spark helm]

entrepreneurs ain't shit. trust me on that one.

It's code for con artist at best.

[shut flax]

Entrepreneurs are... Interesting. They're like freelancers without any skills.

[spark helm]

god. I'm so lucky I've never been able to hold a clerical position.

I fucking hate those kinds of shitheads in management.

[frank basin]

Look I got kick out college for troubles and I “fuck the college”. Now I got nowhere to get game dev jobs without the papers

[shut flax]

God, I fucking hate how managers learn nowadays. I specifically learned how to successfully manage a team by what they all failed at.

Fuckin god complex assholes.

[serene sage]

not gonna lie, ive known three or four successful entrepreneurs as friends, as in they make decent money, one is close to exiting for a few mils
literally ALL of them have a rich family or their parents pitching in, help a lot

they do works, for sure

but man without their fam I can't see them making it

so there

my anecdotes

[spark helm]

Oh yeah.

[shut flax]

To be self-sufficient as a freelancer, you do often need some netting under you.

Like, a fair bit of it.

Several months worth at a minimum.

You WILL get burned at the start.

[spark helm]

no smoke to them passed a certain point, ion know em obviously. but dudes groomed to be big boy suits only have to worry about so much labor.

[frank basin]

I have no where to start guys

I’m stuck at home loop

[spark helm]

Plenty more of them sitting at restaurants for weeks at a time gassing up some other asshole for a stipend than anyone with any sense beyond "how are we going to legally steal from the people under us this time?"

seen it myself.

[frank basin]

Only minimum wages does.

[shut flax]

Start with the beginning. What set some goals for today, tomorrow, next week, next month.

Bridge the start and the end.
Recommend organizing your thoughts through a free Trello board as well.

[serene sage]

Legit find a receptionist/desk job somewhere
usually it's a business place so public transit is close or will get you there

colleges still need receptionists, workers, etc and transit there is almost guaranteed

[shut flax]

You can also find a good VA service that allows you to work from home if you find that method better.

[serene sage]

I landed a coordinator position when I was in school and had no car

[frank basin]

Except I had with severally fucking depression on medication myself doesn’t have motivation

[shut flax]

Same. Had to use Redbox to get pills for myself to be able to work.

[spark helm]

you don't have to explain more of yourself here.--

holy shit what?!

[shut flax]

Not the wisest option, surely.

But it worked.

[spark helm]

y-

damn...

[frank basin]

I run many issue in my life

[serene sage]

well good luck. im just suggesting options if you want a job without a car

[frank basin]

Car is expensive

[spark helm]

ain't no way you're not american @shut flax

[frank basin]

Insurance too

[spark helm]

jesus.

that's fucked fucked

[shut flax]

Soon to be Mexican. This country has fucked me in more ways than one.

[frank basin]

Cartela

[spark helm]

fuck dude...

[shut flax]

Making your own path in the states isn't impossible, but it isn't easy either.

[frank basin]

I feel I’m carving circle

The path

[spark helm]

you don't need to explain yourself in ways you might be uncomfortable. where you stay at, is there any kind of program for unemployed people that isn't just a funnel towards the loop again?

[frank basin]

There’s no such special program in Texas

[spark helm]

Oh.

[tiny summit]

I got a gov contractor job. I have tuition to use for school from military but idk what I would go for. The job atm is piss easy for the pay. I play gachas half the time at work

[spark helm]

I'll admit I never understood american employment assistance state by state

[serene sage]

ngl sounds like you're young, the army is a legitimate way to get out

[shut flax]

Recommend remote college for a degree that interests you the most. That GI bill is worth its weight in gold.

[frank basin]

20’s

[serene sage]

the army welcomes you

[frank basin]

No

Depression not welcome in army

Autism does not too

[spark helm]

Yeah you get booted for it at sign up sometimes.

[tiny summit]

oh it is, want to use it and will likely do remote. I should really make use of it and stop spending most of my free time on games

[shut flax]

Actually a fair bit of the service has some sort of autism.

[frank basin]

I get people told I’m too defiant

[shut flax]

The sub force is about 90% autistic.

[serene sage]

not sure if you've tried but it's worth a shot

[shut flax]

To some degree.

[frank basin]

I have a burnout unmotivated

[shut flax]

You gotta break the cycle somehow.

[spark helm]

had a friend that considered allowing themselves to be used by the navy, they found out about their clinical depression and other mental health, immediately disqualified from moving forward with the onboarding.

[frank basin]

I was decide pick job then I decide not

My brain is playing tug of war

[serene sage]

then at some point you will just have to assume some self responsibility

[tiny summit]

can agree. nuke school is...special

[frank basin]

Somehow with MDD making my life worse

[shut flax]

Nukes are a special type of person. My favorite people were nukes, and I was an honorary one by nature lol.

[spark helm]

do you have any access to people who understand you that you're able to reliably interact with?

[frank basin]

None

[shut flax]

I taught ENG how to navigate and he tought me nuclear theory and reactor dynamics

Fun times.

[frank basin]

I only have doctor to go with

[shut flax]

RLGNS funny

[spark helm]

I see.

[frank basin]

Doctor just care my medication

[tiny summit]

only finished the first portion of nuke school. got out

[frank basin]

They suggest therapy but it won’t work for me much

[shut flax]

You're smarter than most nukes, then

SECF is the second, and AGANG is probs the smartest. They get mentally fucked the least.

[spark helm]

they definitely a gang...

[frank basin]

I sitting at home doing nothing : /

[shut flax]

They're a gang that worships a diesel engine and beats the shit out of people who rings a bell

Fun times

[frank basin]

Except just chatting discord

[serene sage]

maybe get off and force yourself to do something that can improve the situation, at least a little?

[frank basin]

I have no resources to do something

[serene sage]

sure you do

[frank basin]

Everything around me is empty

[serene sage]

start looking

[spark helm]

Dude needs friends first and foremost.

[frank basin]

Oh yes social isolation is common for me

[shut flax]

Honestly, I'd recommend to walk around. Online friends can certainly help with motivation.

[spark helm]

not everybody can will themselves through certain ruts

[serene sage]

imma be real, quit it with the self pity

[shut flax]

It's easy to get stuck in the loop without other people.

[frank basin]

Many school here are maybe scam or expensive

[shut flax]

I'd recommend that you read Notes from Underground for perspective on your situation.

[spark helm]

dude literally expressed having mental health trouble. you can't really rely on illpower every single time without other people being there for you in some ca[acoty

[shut flax]

Another aspect of healing and growth is perspective.

[spark helm]

people on tip like this don't really got self-pity dawg

[frank basin]

I only need the ladder and I don’t have it

[spark helm]

dude absolutely needs friends that give a shit.

[frank basin]

That’s my metaphor

[serene sage]

then what else can others around him do for him? at some point you just accept life is shit and do what you can

[spark helm]

full stop, despair and hopelessness like that are not solo acts to bust through. not everyone has it like that at all.

[serene sage]

eh i'll just exit this conversation

[spark helm]

I guess :/

[frank basin]

I don’t have suicidal thoughts tho

[spark helm]

that's good.

[frank basin]

Is just being sad and bored all time

[shut flax]

That's fair. I suppose the start would be how to build that ladder. Try to organize your thoughts and explain to yourself why it is the way it is.

Change is never easy, but I believe you can do it.

[frank basin]

Except my chemical brain doesn’t listen to me

There’s some mood hard to control

[shut flax]

I understand completely. It's easy to lie to ourselves.

[umbral scaffold]

wtf have i joined?

[spark helm]

dude's being honest.

[frank basin]

Someone have major depression

Me

[shut flax]

That's the thing, we lie to ourselves every day. We teach ourselves that there's no way out.

Seeing through that veil is the first step to moving forward.

[umbral scaffold]

i mean you play veteran so kinda makes sense

[shut flax]

And damn, it's hard.

[frank basin]

That got my brains thinking is everyday same and is same day driving me depress

[spark helm]

Keep chipping away.

[shut flax]

Remember that progress isn't linear. Every step forward may mean two steps back, but eventually you'll see the finish line.

[frank basin]

I’m a guy full of doubts.

[shut flax]

It's like running. It gets easier the more you do it.

[spark helm]

shit for some of yall that are already in on this that know what's up with tx, link up with dude or something. not irl but just drop some info, keep up with folk, etc.

[frank basin]

Tx is such tradition ecomony

Which I can’t help myself trying climb the tall hole out

I used to work at gas station

My depression wasn’t deeply

Until I stop working

[serene sage]

Honestly, any kind of work helps

[frank basin]

Shit hit brick hard

[serene sage]

Try coming back

?

[frank basin]

I got school college going on

[serene sage]

I thought you said you quit school

[frank basin]

Nah I doubt they don’t have position part time for me

[frank basin]

In past

[shut flax]

Honestly, getting out and moving is a big step to breaking through the depressive loop. That and multivitamins.

[frank basin]

When I got job I also got college until I drop out twice then I can’t go that certain school anymore

[shut flax]

Found out that a vitamin D deficiency can fuck you up a few years ago.

[spark helm]

real question, you able to eat @frank basin ?

[frank basin]

I went outside 15 minute suns

[spark helm]

have you eaten today at all

[frank basin]

Today

[shut flax]

Any water?

[spark helm]

clearly you're not alone even amongst mostly strangers.

[frank basin]

My appetite were 2 meal a days sometime low my appetite some high

[spark helm]

yeah

I get it

What's easy for you to make? especially something with protein in it?

[tiny summit]

I try to now make it a habit to go to my downtown area twice a month and go to the gym after work every day now

[spark helm]

Depression's affect on your eating habits plays directly into how you'll be chemically harmed by the depression itself.

If you can, eat something now.

[shut flax]

Yeeep. Back when I was in NH, I'd always walk downtown to play Pokemon Go. Moving back kinda ruined that with how unwalkable this city is.

[spark helm]

If it's too hard, don't force yourself to eat it completely, just take bites, take your time and finish the meal. your body needs it even if your mind suppresses it.

[serene sage]

Pokemon GO was the closest we got to world peace it felt

[frank basin]

I think lacking of protein because i skip some meal I do not like when parent made food

[shut flax]

Now I just do LARP swordfighting training to stave off boredom and incubate ideas. I should probs go outside more.

[shut flax]

Unironically, I believe it.

[frank basin]

Because like “mom I have nothing else to eat”

[shut flax]

Can you cook?

[frank basin]

So I dine outside most time

[frank basin]

Yes I do, is rare for me to cook

[spark helm]

Shit I was on edge the whole fucking time when people wanted to be around for go walks and shit.

[frank basin]

I have no American ingredients at home

[serene sage]

why lol

[spark helm]

Some people really don't know someo f the areas they wanted to walk to.

*didn't

[frank basin]

Only just raw stuff usually mom made

[shut flax]

Cooking got me out of some slumps from time to time. All you really need is chicken, basil, salt, onions (or onion powder), and pepper to mix with cabbage and some noodles to make a great dish.

[spark helm]

"Nah, you don't want that evee, not from here at 4am. we going back"

[frank basin]

We eat rice a lot

[spark helm]

"Aw cmon kery, have some fun."

[frank basin]

I’m just lack of some proteins just vegetables and soup

Maybe

[spark helm]

Me: stare, you're not from here are you? :I

[frank basin]

Fishes

[serene sage]

I love eggs

[spark helm]

but aside from dumb rarerish shit like that go was nice.

[shut flax]

Someone made the CO's house on base a landmark and he woke up to 20 people in his yard. Pokemon Go was then banned on base, along with Heely's.

[serene sage]

Crispy fried eggs + rice/bread

[spark helm]

PFFT

LMAO

[serene sage]

eaz

[frank basin]

Kinda poor foods at home

[spark helm]

you fuck with fried baloney?

[serene sage]

tf you mean

fried stuff are the best

[frank basin]

Have left over boiled eggs

[shut flax]

You can cut 80/20 ground beef into strips and fry them to put on top of rice.

Use the grease to season cabbage.

[frank basin]

I have no skill battering

[spark helm]

what else you got?

you can whip something up rn depending.

[shut flax]

You don't need battering. Just put some olive oil on a flat skillet and let it sit for about 5 minutes on each side on medium heat.

[spark helm]

I want you to eat something my dude.

bare minimym.

[frank basin]

Bunch of leftover Asian sauce

[spark helm]

what kind?

[frank basin]

Some my brother ingredients

I won’t touch my brother stuff

[spark helm]

You can definitely stir fry something solid.

[frank basin]

Hell get mad if try use his ingredients

[spark helm]

You got bad blood with your brother or something?

Is it not possible to ask?

[frank basin]

He’s cynical to parent

And me

He made great food but being ass hole

[spark helm]

he the kind that'll get in your way and in your face just by being in the same room?

[shut flax]

That's unfortunate. If you have access to the spinach and some leftovers, try putting them in a pan with a few teaspoons of water and pinch of salt in it.

[frank basin]

Nah he sleep with parent room. We live in apartment

[spark helm]

mhm.

Alright, what do you know nobody would give a shit about you touching and putting to some heat.

I'm locked in at this point

you getting food in you before I do.

[frank basin]

Hell my mom brought bag of frozen shrimp

[spark helm]

OH BRO!

Wanna learn how to prep shrimp?

😄

[frank basin]

Is cooked

[spark helm]

Yeah yeah great.

[frank basin]

Just pre cook it

[spark helm]

mhm.

[serene sage]

you still cook that shit

with rice

and soysauce and eggs

even the hardboil ones

[spark helm]

Can dice the hardboils too and add them in the fry mix.

[shut flax]

You can cook it alongside rice, or marinade it in soy sauce and lemon pepper.

[spark helm]

:>

[frank basin]

I got two pack cheese cheddar and white cheese

[shut flax]

There's a few ways to cook shrimp.

[spark helm]

blocked cheddar?

any butter?

[frank basin]

Slices

[frank basin]

A lot

[shut flax]

Spinach base with shredded cheddar as a spice topped with seasoned lightly fried shrimp would be amazing.

[frank basin]

I’m thinking what should I made

Better than starch corpse

[spark helm]

sounds like inishuni has the bag on making some kind of cheesey sauce

[frank basin]

My brother took culinary class

He made great stuff

That’s why the fridge got some filling

Last time I made Alfredo pasta shrimp

[spark helm]

cool

[shut flax]

If you really want to make it crispy, you can put shredded cheddar on some foil and on top of a flat pan as an added layer, and cover the cheese with a lid to get a nice browned cheese topping.

[spark helm]

you alrady got the skills my dude.

[frank basin]

I took YouTube that simple

[spark helm]

you think you'd accept a request from a stranger?

[frank basin]

Yeah

[spark helm]

I'd like it for you to take some time to make some food for yourself tonight.

[frank basin]

What ya mind up to?

I’m hungry rn

[spark helm]

And just confirm that you've eaten.

[shut flax]

Also! You can run the ingredients through here for some interesting starters. https://myfridgefood.com/

[spark helm]

yeah, go ahead and make something, show us the plate and the finish you know?

[bold sierra]

I like the idea that the average veteran doesnt have a fucking clue what you guys are talking about
"Cook? You mean, like cook a grenade? 'Eah of course I can do that!"

[spark helm]

you need to feed your body first and foremost to help the mind get closer to some kind of stability.

[frank basin]

Tbh I got my thinking when I look what’s leftover in fridge I create something in my creativity

[spark helm]

it'll never be perfect, but that anchor with your own self-care is something you can use to fight this shit.

[terse idol]

Veterans are all just marines confirmed

[bold sierra]

[terse idol]

Get the crayola out lads

[shut flax]

Rah

[spark helm]

Trash. I eat caramalized pastels. Let's not slander me.

[bold sierra]

[spark helm]

I even got some playdoh steaks. Step ya game up fellas.

[terse idol]

They treating e4 good out 'ere

[spark helm]

hmph

[frank basin]

Imma brb thinking going make something

[spark helm]

great!

please fee free to show off your results if you're comfortable!

[bold sierra]

What flavor packet you guys put on ya starch slab