veteran-class

[frank basin]

Non client side or affect server is banable

Client side like only you see not other player see it

Like put cheats engine in the game is banable

[lilac jungle]

No Tinker: 345 Initial 58 Bleed 9 meter radius With Tinker: 420 Initial 58 Bleed 11 meter radius. If you think 2 talent points are worth 75 damage and 2 meters of radius then no one can stop you, but there are much better things to spend them on.

[serene sage]

lol okay to each their own, it works for me, nades are about 10-15% of my damage every game

so it's worth it for me

idk how you play but i do well, really well with it

.shrug

[serene sage]

also, I will just leave this here

that increase in radius is 56% increase in area

which is what matters

so yknow

to each their own

[lilac jungle]

May i ask if you are running a grenadier build?

[serene sage]

I already posted my build above

with a vid too for why i like tinkered nade

the area matters imo

[frosty girder]

Hows this for veteran? Perks could obviously better but i dont have any other blessings for hand cannons rn.

[lilac jungle]

Fair enough, though personally, while it is a large increase in area, its easy enough to get a grenade within 9m of the enemy/blob I am aiming for.

[junior needle]

Are the fatshark servers dying

[junior needle]

Consensus seems to be crucian/hand cannon for that model. Due to crit damage being big shit you probably want the specialist damage

[frosty girder]

much appreciated

[serene sage]

Yes

They need new server hamsters

[tall torrent]

Usually 9m blast radius is enough, but having that extra radius does help in fighting more scattered hordes

[wanton dawn]

Tinkerer is harder to grab nowadays

Is nice but costly

Lot of good stuff to grab already, especially deep bottom before keystone

[tall torrent]

It’s a luxury pick

[serene sage]

I'm not saying Agri Shotty is the best gun ever, all I'm saying is in the last 10 games no one beat me in damage and kills

With an Agri Shotty

[tall torrent]

But if I had 2 points of luxury I’d go LS+ET

[ruby hull]

Oh hey fox, I think I ran into you in a game yesterday,

[tall torrent]

ET is so nice against mass regular shooters

[serene sage]

Possibly!

[ruby hull]

Servers were kinda shite though

[serene sage]

Where is your in game name?

[ruby hull]

Zazy

I'm very consistent

I think I got kicked out by the server in our game tho

[serene sage]

aw sad

wait were you a vet?

[wanton dawn]

I got beaten in dmg convincingly twice last week, i need to up my game

[bitter turtle]

Just grief them

[bitter turtle]

Take ms aura and grab all the ammo so they can't shoot

[serene sage]

toxic

[paper brook]

Also any recommendations/best blessings for this gun or is it a no go?

[serene sage]

Play w me and you'll be second best every game

[wanton dawn]

I am not counting kickback ogryn. If they know what they are doing you cant beat if they are aggressive enough

Also still uncommon

[ruby hull]

Stabby stabby bayonet vet

[wanton dawn]

Am sure of that. I like sitting back and letting other do my job

[junior needle]

To salvage that you'd change spec damage and reassuringly to something else, your preference. Ghost is great in conjunction with deadshot/dnd.

[wanton dawn]

What i dont like is not "knowing" why i get outdamaged

[junior needle]

Ghost/infernus/dumdum are popular blessing picks for laspis

[ruby hull]

Gunners are turning into the most annoying thing for my Melee bayonet build. Especially when I'm centimeters away from ending a gunner but the stupid knock back delays the inevitable

[serene sage]

oh wait i remember you

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure i got flamed for saying that gunner were among the worst with bayonet

[junior needle]

Have you tried shooting them with the gun attached to your pointy end

[wanton dawn]

Case in point

[ruby hull]

Never crossed my mind honestly, too busy stabbing

[junior needle]

I respect practicing your stabbing

[serene sage]

based

[wanton dawn]

Ppl think we played bayo to shot

[spice gate]

Bayonets for the win!

I wonder if melee skills work on bayonets

[ruby hull]

They do

[serene sage]

agile engagment works lmao

[ruby hull]

Also agile engagement let's bayonet buff itself by 25%

[serene sage]

bayo is considered a different melee wep

[wanton dawn]

In any case: yes bayo build can shoot but you can find yourself oop with your pants down

[severe adder]

yo i need help, sometimes my toughness is full and i have like 30 health but i just die?

[ruby hull]

It's stupid how much damage you do with it

Some attacks bypass toughness

[tall torrent]

Toughness is not a shield, it’s a %dmg reduction for melee attacks

[severe adder]

whaaaaaa?

[spice gate]

WOO

[tall torrent]

It only works like a shield against ranged atks

[severe adder]

how much do melee attacks do

[tall torrent]

At 100% toughness, you can eat a free hit while only taking toughness dmg
At 99% toughness, you’ll take 1% of the melee dmg

[midnight totem]

Wait what?

[tall torrent]

It reduces melee dmg based on how much % of total toughness u have

[severe adder]

wow, didnt know that

[midnight totem]

You telling me that killing somebody with a helbore shot basically gives the bayonet permanent +25 percent damage?

[tall torrent]

Yea agile engagement works on bayonet

It’s funny but doesn’t hit important breakpoints

[ruby hull]

Nothing beats 2 shotting ragers and one shotting mutants and melting bosses with a pointy stick on the end of my gun

[tall torrent]

Not just that

Gun kill buff bayonet for 5s

Bayonet kill buff gun for 5s

Both buffs can be active at the same time

[serene sage]

For ranged attacks, toughness is shield, it blocks 100% damage before heatlh
For melee attacks, toughness is damage reduction, the damage reduction is proportionaly to the shield percentage you have left (i.e. 100% = full thoughness block, 50% = half toughness half health)
Certain attacks that are overhead (crusher slam, mauler slam, etc.) ignores shield and will one shot you at full.

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[spice gate]

I was about to say. Permanent buff?
I thought it was 5s. Haha!

[wanton dawn]

I removed agile engagement on mine to grab rending strike. Need it for a few os

[ruby hull]

Bayonet kill buff bayonet

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t work like that

[ruby hull]

Yes it does

[tall torrent]

U have to use the gun part to buff the bayonet

[ruby hull]

Nope

[midnight totem]

That's a hilarious interaction

[tall torrent]

U can go test rn

Dmg doesn’t change

[wanton dawn]

I miss it a bit though

[midnight totem]

Also, just lost my attempt at the don't get downed 5 games in a row penance

[ruby hull]

You can buff bayonet by 50% by killing someone with gun and bayonet

[serene sage]

are you confusing the buff icons

cause agile has 2 icons

[ruby hull]

It literally works like that

I've tested it thoroughly

Bayonet buffs it's own damage

By 25%

[serene sage]

truly

[midnight totem]

I COULD go down to malice games

But why

[serene sage]

I just ignore penances

[wanton dawn]

Nah

Tested it on mutie

[serene sage]

They are not fun

[tall torrent]

It literally does not

[midnight totem]

I was doing so well in my last game too

High Intensity damnation

[ruby hull]

The damage does indeed increase by 25% and 50% respectively with melee and ranged halves of agile engagement

[midnight totem]

Took just one mistake while we were being swarmed

[wanton dawn]

I tested it myself. If it buffed itself i would not need focud target to os a mutie

[midnight totem]

Trapper of course

[wanton dawn]

I will recheck tonight

Going to work rn

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna re-check rn

[ruby hull]

I will start my game back up rn and give you the damage screenshots

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[muted knot]

Which melee blessings affect the hellbore bayonets, I know BM does and Limsplitter doesn't anymore

[wanton dawn]

Only know bm rn

[spice gate]

As much as I love lasguns my aim in these games can be pretty awful. Using a bolter on big targets or an autogun might be best for me. Haha!

[muted knot]

I just recently went full circle and am no back at lasguns

They are fun

Haven't used them in ages cause of Ciag plasma and revolver

[spice gate]

Lasers are truly some of the coolest things

Ever

[tall torrent]

bayonet kills do NOT buff bayonet dmg

gun kills buff bayonet dmg

[elfin stump]

Readers added context they thought you might want to know

[wanton dawn]

I tried one recently and uh... still no me like

[ruby hull]

@serene sage @tall torrent @wanton dawn Here are your damage numbers gentlemen, first is no buff, second is after a melee kill with bayonet and third is after both a melee kill and a ranged shot kill. first hit is 860, second hit after bayonet kill is 1071, third after bayonet and gun kill is 1304

its not much clearer than that

[tall torrent]

Check the vids I sent

Do u have no respite on ur gun?

[ruby hull]

i do but im doing these on fresh ragers so its not adding any damage

[tall torrent]

It adds dmg

Because bayonet staggers them

[ruby hull]

-

[tall torrent]

Try a different model without no respite

[ruby hull]

you not listening

[serene sage]

Maybe the damage is added post stagger?

In which case no respite might be solid for melee

[tall torrent]

No respite makes the staggered target take +20% more dmg after the first hit staggers

That’s why

Take a different model without no respite, no charged bayonet atks, damage should be identical between having bayonet kill AE and not having bayonet kill AE

[wanton dawn]

Do a video instead of screenshot

Too much variable

Charged attack is a thing

[ruby hull]

fine you want to play that game, here again the same test with this gun

[tall torrent]

Ok now I’m curious, can u show a recording of what u did

[elfin stump]

First damage increase is 211, second is 233

[ruby hull]

give me a second, ill boot up obs

[tall torrent]

Cuz I can’t replicate those results at all

[muted knot]

It is ?

[wanton dawn]

With bayo ? Yes

Matters for some OS

[tall torrent]

this is with No Respite 3

just basic bayonet stabs

u can see dmg fluctuate because no respite activated on the 2nd stab

But 3rd hit went down to the normal 603 dmg

[muted knot]

Yeah but it doesn't activate on the first stabb

[muted knot]

The thing I learn in this chat

[wanton dawn]

I notice bleed stack. Onslaught maybe ,

[tall torrent]

Onslaught shouldn’t stack from bleed DoTs anymore though?

[wanton dawn]

Need to remove other vari1ble anyway

[ruby hull]

fuck

hang on

ima do it via streamable

one sec

[wanton dawn]

Also, 211 to 233 is not 25% fmg increase

[ruby hull]

@tall torrent here https://streamable.com/iangpq

[tall torrent]

That 1010 is a charged stab

The 1229 is also a charged stab

[elfin stump]

1010 is followed by a 819

[tall torrent]

819 should be his regular stab dmg

[ruby hull]

actually you a correct and i stand corrected

its wierd though

in all my testing ive somehow always done a heavy stab on the second rager attack with 1 stack from bayonet

[tall torrent]

Np at least we both learned smth and figure out why it’s happening like that

[ruby hull]

cause the numbers have always been consistent

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t take away the effect of AE

[ruby hull]

and always lined up with the damage increase they should be recieving

[tall torrent]

I think it gives u flamer 1 tap without crit on headshot, without maniac perk on HB1

Which is pretty nice

It’s not the most useful for HB2 breakpoints tho

[tall torrent]

Actually with maniac and AE u can 1 headshot flamer at point blank on HB1

Without AE you need to be at like 14m away

[ruby hull]

its so close to mutant oneshot without a crit

[tall torrent]

So that’s a pretty solid boost

[ruby hull]

oh well

thx for shattering my dreams

asshole

😛

[tall torrent]

If AE actually worked like bayonet kills buffing bayonet dmg it would be hilarious tho

I’m waiting for the day when weapon specialist actually functions on helbore

[ruby hull]

Dude

That would be so nice

But the way they coded it

It's never gonna happen

Ever

[tall torrent]

WS helbore would be so hilarious

Stab 1 dude get +33% crit chance for 1 shot
Shoot 1 dude get +10% dodge distance

[ruby hull]

Imagine loading bullets into your gun by using it to stab people

[tall torrent]

Shame it doesn’t work like that

[wanton dawn]

I have a video of special os

All are reachable

[tall torrent]

If u put enough points into melee, bayonet can 1 shot anything that’s not rager/mauler/ogryn/monster

[ruby hull]

That's pretty much where I'm at

I can oneshot ragers after a shout

It's fun

[tall torrent]

Srsly tho I might try to get a falter + no respite helbore one day

Just so I can play a pure bayonet build

[wanton dawn]

You dont need those blessing imo

They are nice but perks are more important

[tall torrent]

I think with falter u can juice out one more stab that’s buffed up by no respite

[ruby hull]

I wish falter worked on bayonet though

Falter no worky

Rip

[muted knot]

What do I put on my hellbore 1 perk wise ?

[tall torrent]

Damn ok

[ruby hull]

Ikr

It's wierd

[muted knot]

I'm currently on carapace and unyieldinging I think

[ruby hull]

Only works in shots

[wanton dawn]

For bayo i put maniac and unyielding.

[tall torrent]

It varies a lot, flak + elite is nice, maniac is good, unyielding is fine, I wouldn’t go carapace

[muted knot]

And for shooting ?

[tall torrent]

Flak + elite gives u 1 tap scab rager headshot crit on HB1

Maniac gives u flamer 1 tap HS without crit (14m+)

[ruby hull]

If falter actually worked on bayonet it would hit the breakpoint to stun lock crushers

[muted knot]

Can only change one of them so I guess carapace for maniac ?

[tall torrent]

I need that to happen cuz it would be so funny

[ruby hull]

Ikr

[muted knot]

Hellbore straight up just needs a unique blessing like can opener

[tall torrent]

Would be funny but would be too broken

[ruby hull]

You can still do pure melee bayonet build without it though, this is what I usehttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/zazy-stabby-bayonet-build

[tall torrent]

Imagine a dude just bayonet charges into a crusher and 2 hits it

Funny yes
Broken also yes

[ruby hull]

Glad the at least bromentum transfers to bayonet still

[tall torrent]

It would be almost as silly than patch15 limbsplitter bayonet gaming

[ruby hull]

I miss limbsplitter

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter bayonet was truly one of the metas of all time

[strange sparrow]

They should allow rev to trigger another rev and wise versa

A new blessing that make rev damage stack

[tall torrent]

1 lone veteran casually one shots 14 ragers

[strange sparrow]

I mean

Is that bad

[tall torrent]

It’s very silly for sure

[strange sparrow]

But rager is a silly unit thou

[tall torrent]

I think bayonet rn is pretty balanced

[strange sparrow]

It just doesn’t stay ontop of you once animation start

[ruby hull]

So much overkill damage

[tall torrent]

Mk1 and mk2 anyway

Mk3 bayonet needs help

I wouldn’t mind it if mk3 bayonet could 2 shot a crusher

[strange sparrow]

Bayonet is why Hellbore is ok rn imo

[ruby hull]

It's damage sucks so hard

And it's got weird lag between attacks cause they added a artificial buffer between attacks that lags

[tall torrent]

It’s a big part of it but the gun portion is also very strong

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn’t say it’s strong because it’s gimmicky to an extend

[tall torrent]

It’s the best ammo economy 1-tap gun

[strange sparrow]

Charging shot is a process/habit to learn

Specific for this weapon only

[tall torrent]

Yea the skill floor is pretty low

Most people just don’t know what to do with helbores

[ruby hull]

Stab

[strange sparrow]

I don’t think Hellbore skill floor is low because the game promote a more aggressive playstyle

[ruby hull]

Stab stab stab

[tall torrent]

It’s not as high as the more straightforward weapons for sure

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore is actually the weapon that make the game hard for me because it’s a single shot weapon that focus on specific units of the game

[tall torrent]

Plus aiming it takes some practice

Without mods

[strange sparrow]

While there’s IAG/Braced gun which is very very aggressive in playstyle which is optimal in gameplay

[ruby hull]

You get punished hard for swapping weapons often with helbore, once you learn how to use bayonet that weakness goes away mostly

[strange sparrow]

Like I would need to know where the funnelling happen/hordes wave coming with Hellbore

Because aiming take a bit of braincells which also distract you a bit imo

[tall torrent]

Even with BM bayonet doesn’t really clear everything, it just handles medium sized hordes decently fire

[strange sparrow]

Macro-play?

[elfin stump]

It's so dumb that you get a scope on a regular lasgun and not the designated long range one

[umbral scaffold]

Thank emperor for modding

[strange sparrow]

Yea, I feel like Single Shot weapon promote a lot of macro-gameplay compared to full/burst auto

[tall torrent]

U kinda have to treat it like

“Do I want a melee that’s more high risk but gets to deal with specials super easily or do I want something I can play defensively with and horde clear faster”

[strange sparrow]

I’m alright with hold LMB to charge

[crisp bronze]

I think you got skill floor backwards. A high skill floor means you need more skill and knowledge of the game to pick up something. A high skill ceiling means something has a ton of potential that can be brought out through skill.

[strange sparrow]

It’s gimmicky but it’s not bad

Still better than FS binding spacebar to jump AND dodge

[ruby hull]

I usually have the best horde clear outside ogryns in most matches I play. I just play like im shooting but with the bayonet and all the hordes go away

[tall torrent]

Helbore’s skill floor is not as high as the more straightforward weapons

[elfin stump]

Skill floor is the worst you can perform

[strange sparrow]

Skill floor is ease of access isn’t it

[tall torrent]

I thought it meant “lowest possible performance”

Mb ig

[elfin stump]

The moment i rebinded my dodge to shift I died jumping

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah Hellbore just aren’t easy to use as it’s a single shot rifle that need to be charged

[ruby hull]

@tall torrent Also I've made a specific 2key keybind so I hold a thumb button and attack with bayonet using m1

[strange sparrow]

Which mean your shot isn’t just BRRRRRRR DAKKAAAAA

EVERYTHING DIE

[tall torrent]

[strange sparrow]

The binding of Spacebar to jump dodging

Who the fuck in fatshark though it was a good idea

[tall torrent]

I’ve noticed vs poxers, bayonet does fine, but when a lot of bruisers are swarming in, bayonet isn’t as reliable as just using the actual melee weapon

[crisp bronze]

I would say a Hellbore is a bit harder to pick up and be effective with than the Plasma for example. Hellbore has high skill floor and high skill ceiling. It's hard to pick up but becomes a one shot monster with enough accuracy and the right build. Plasma you just slap on anything.

[elfin stump]

You can't assign two buttons to one action, right?

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore actually have weakness

[tall torrent]

Ok so just my misunderstanding mb

[strange sparrow]

You can

[ruby hull]

There is. Mod

[strange sparrow]

Like it’s not that great against Cara target imo

Because of its TTK

Compared to some IAG

[ruby hull]

Hence krak

[tall torrent]

If I see ragers coming in I’m still staying on bayonet to bully them tho

[strange sparrow]

Like you could still 5-6 shot it something

[ruby hull]

With backup power sword 6 with bromentum

[strange sparrow]

But it’s not that great to charge and shoot it in the face while getting fuck by the hordes

And bulwark stack

[elfin stump]

Riot police

[ruby hull]

I find most problems I cant solve with bayonet are bypassed by krak

[tall torrent]

HB2 is like 6-7 shots on crusher, 5-6 on mauler (usually), which is not bad for a weapon that typically focuses on 1 shotting the really important targets, but yea the raw dps is not as high as automatics

[strange sparrow]

Also It suck against PoxBurster

Just bayonet it fr

[tall torrent]

Then again choosing to use helbore is like a statement

“I am different”

[strange sparrow]

I’m krieg

[elfin stump]

Declaration of surrender

[strange sparrow]

[ruby hull]

Dont even get me started

[strange sparrow]

Automatic weapon + onslaught right now is super strong

[tall torrent]

Like, u specifically chose the slow firing single shot “marksman” style lasgun in a horde game that’s designed to overwhelm u

[elfin stump]

I want a handheld anti ship rifle that isn't plasma

[strange sparrow]

Single shot weapon in hordes style game would work if you have more cleave

[ruby hull]

How many times I've stabbed silent poxbursters with bayonet and immediately ate shit is innumerable

[strange sparrow]

Or specific enemy that you are supposed to deal with

Like revolver is op because it deal with everything in FAST manner

[elfin stump]

Revolvers have pierce through

[strange sparrow]

Not that you would shoot a wave with revolver would u

[muted knot]

Hb1 does crushers in 4

[strange sparrow]

[tall torrent]

4 crits?

[elfin stump]

Don't underestimate me

[tall torrent]

Because HB1 has the same carapace dmg as HB2

[strange sparrow]

Stop being autistic

[muted knot]

Na but one of them might have been

Think I tested it yesterday

[tall torrent]

U could check in meat grinder

[strange sparrow]

Also we need blessing unique to bayonet or something

[elfin stump]

I will shovel the burgle and revolver the walkers

[tall torrent]

I say 6-7 as in firing as soon as shot is charged

[muted knot]

I'm at work right now I'll try to remember checking when I come home

[tall torrent]

All good

[strange sparrow]

The fact that you need to headshot full charge Crusher

[tall torrent]

I remember HB1 is 4 shot mauler if 1 crit tho

[strange sparrow]

And still do less damage than full auto suck imo

[crisp bronze]

Can Opener Hellbore...

[tall torrent]

That’s one thing it does noticeably better than hb2

[elfin stump]

What blessings are good for chainsword?

[tall torrent]

Full auto is carried by onslaught & rending so yea

[strange sparrow]

Yea that’s why

Onslaught eliminate the entire weakness of full auto

Carapace enemy is such a joke rn

[sharp ember]

Rampage, Savage Sweep, Wrath. Bloodletter if you want single-target, Shred is better for zealots but it’s not bad

Devastating Strike is too weak

[elfin stump]

So Rampage+Wrath that I have right now is good?

[strange sparrow]

Rampage + wraith is always good

Easy to proc

[idle carbon]

where do people get the idea that wrath is good?

[elfin stump]

Here

[idle carbon]

savage sweep is better for basically any purpose

[strange sparrow]

The only issue you get with wraith if you fail your swing on enemy = no stack

Which is why most people complain it isn’t good

To that, I simply just don’t miss

[idle carbon]

savage sweep gets to full effect in one swing

[strange sparrow]

yes that’s correct with Savage sweep

More over the case with slower weapon like Heavy Evis

[elfin stump]

Wrath seems only slightly worse in that you have to take more steps for the same effect

[crisp bronze]

Max mobility and Rev it up is the most fun build. Maximum fast.

[elfin stump]

It isn't as dogshit as say, rev it up

Lmao

[strange sparrow]

I would still run Wraith despite its flaws

I believe it give slightly more Cleave in the end, might be wrong

[idle carbon]

why pick wrath when there is a blessing that just does the same job, but better

[elfin stump]

Both give 200

[tiny summit]

melk offering

[elfin stump]

If you could pick them freely, sure thing

[strange sparrow]

Hmm then if you have the option to, SS is just better overall

[elfin stump]

I don't

[strange sparrow]

Because Wraith condition suck if you don’t know what you’re doing

But if you’re using the new chainsword

I find SS hard to proc due to light spam

[elfin stump]

It would be nice balance if wrath gave more

I'm using mk 4

[idle carbon]

only time SS struggles to proc on chainswords is if you're up against a horde of bruisers with higher mass than regular horde enemies

even then though, both 1h chainswords have access to horizontal heavies
even if the mk13g is more difficult to get to

[elfin stump]

Fuck it
Wrath+ Savage Sweep

[idle carbon]

all the cleave lol

[strange sparrow]

Yea MK13G chainsword have a very bad time getting the cleave up in my game because I don’t do H1 or push H1

Not as often I would with the chainsword because how fast is the L spam

[idle carbon]

doesn't the mk13g have a couple wide sweeping lights though?

[vivid bolt]

Cuz i knew how to use it and its a great defensive weapon

[elfin stump]

It opens with a strikedown and then sweeps

[sharp ember]

mk13g lights can’t hit 3 bruisers

[vivid bolt]

If you parry correctly with the claw it’s basically just rager deletus

[sharp ember]

it keeps going through 1 bruiser and 1 smaller trash for a 3rd target hit though

anyway the difference between wrath and SS isn’t so huge to worry about, use whatever hadron gives you

[elfin stump]

Yeah I feel like Wrathful Sweep is what I need in my marksman life

[strange sparrow]

The sweeps came later

But it have really bad value also if I’m not wrong

So without H1, I can’t proc Sweep

[muted knot]

Yeah but not enough cleave to reliably get the 3, that's why I run wrath/rampage

[elfin stump]

Don't care about the damage I need a get out of the horde card

[muted knot]

VoC lol

[strange sparrow]

Like the only time I able to get sweep proc is against PoxWalker

Which is a Win Harder blessing

[muted knot]

And that's why you run wrath

[elfin stump]

I'm a sniper roleplayer

[muted knot]

Fair

[muted knot]

Then play the part and die when you get swarmed

[elfin stump]

That's the part I'm trying to actively fix rn

[muted knot]

Bad roleplay 0/10

/s

Wait

[idle carbon]

I counter with shred/rampage
yay melee crit vet

[strange sparrow]

No wonder

[idle carbon]

who needs cleave if you're just critting your way through the horde

[muted knot]

Is your name from that circus from the ravenor novels ?@elfin stump

[strange sparrow]

Shred Rampage is really good

[muted knot]

Shred really ?

[strange sparrow]

Shred run into the same problem thou which missing hit = lose stack

[strange sparrow]

Ye

[idle carbon]

more crit yo, extra cleave and damage
what more could you want

[elfin stump]

Nope lol, it's just an artistic misspelling

[muted knot]

I usually disregard crit blessings unless I go for a crit build

Ahh

[strange sparrow]

Crit is nice enough imo

[muted knot]

I'll try it out on my chainsword

[strange sparrow]

It have a good amount of Crit build in for the blessing

Which is why Zealot Heavy Evis Crit build don’t take Crit keystone

I’m not joking btw

[muted knot]

I do notice that I crit a fair amount even when not built for crits

[elfin stump]

The crit chance is a rich get richer situation

[muted knot]

My main focus for blessing is reliability most of the time

That's why I prefer wrath over SS

[strange sparrow]

SS is alright if you’re willing to proc it consistently through Heavy moveset

Which is a strong uptime mechanic for some weapon

[elfin stump]

What perks are good for them?

[strange sparrow]

Maniac and Flak is probably more recommended these days

Chainsword do pisspoor against Cara

Even with RevUp

[elfin stump]

Despite being marketed as armor piercing

[muted knot]

You can still use it on crusher heads

Buys time and does some damage

[severe adder]

whats the dump stat on plasma cannon

[strange sparrow]

Chainsword is a better hordes killing weapon than DC4 I argue

[muted knot]

Thermal resist kinda

[strange sparrow]

Because DC4 light swing is CC only

[muted knot]

CS fucks hordes

[severe adder]

can i use this

[muted knot]

Run it with the extra attack speed from wep spec and you will mulch hordes

[muted knot]

Yeah

[strange sparrow]

DC is good in controlling hordes but it often take too long imo to kill hordes with light attack

So you need to mixed moveset

And such

[severe adder]

what about charged rate

ngl i never really charge them

[elfin stump]

What's DC

[strange sparrow]

Devil Claw

[elfin stump]

Catachan sword?

[strange sparrow]

Yea

[muted knot]

Charge rate also decides how long it takes from click to the shit being fired

[severe adder]

ahh\

[strange sparrow]

It have a low damage high cleave light attack for staggering hordes

And a moderate damage high cleave heavy to swing/swipe hordes

People has been playing DC with 1L1H but the problem is still, you get overwhelmed since you don’t really kill fast enough from my auric Mael experience

[vivid parrot]

If you'd use an axe as vet. Wich one would you choose

[severe adder]

just wanted to confirm... blaze away is only tier 3?

for plasmagun

[muted knot]

Allegedly it's Rashad

[vivid parrot]

sad

i think finesse stat is important

but im not sure

[muted knot]

Rashad is very modifier intensive

You basically need all the damage mods

[strange sparrow]

Rashad is super demanding

[muted knot]

Damage pen first target and finesse

[strange sparrow]

Only mobility is a#dump

Finesse affect your ATK speed and Crit if I’m not wrong

[pliant rain]

met the biggest troll in darktide, a lvl 900+ loner zealot. Matched him 4 times before and always left the game because he rushes forward and he aggros litterly the hole map to us. Today I met him again and decided to stay in the party. 3 of died in the first 5 minutes and shouty made it easily to aegis station , killed the plague Ogryn all the mobs there . The mission was litterly done and stayed our bodies without reviving us. Then he left the game lol

[vivid parrot]

i have really good other axes but sadly only this rashad one xD

[strange sparrow]

Rashad is probably the worst grind weapon

God roll Rashad

[opal root]

its soo good though when you get it

[strange sparrow]

One you get all the stats right, you get a garbage perks blessing

And hadron say

Splendid

[vivid parrot]

so do i get this right ?

rashad is def. the best axe

But also the hardest

to get a good one of

[opal root]

its arguably the best melee weapon period

[slate sleet]

its a good roll

not ideal but its good

[vivid parrot]

alrighty and does it suit veteran class ?

And zealot maybe ?

[opal root]

i use it on both

[slate sleet]

rashaad is not about crits its about light attacking once and cleaving 5 poxwalkers to death in one swing

head taker brutal momentum rashaad with unarmored dmg is basically a chaff deleter 5000

you can include it into any build on vet and it will do its job

[vivid parrot]

unarmored ? Really ?

[slate sleet]

ask the big cheese himself @formal lake

[vivid parrot]

isnt flak maniac better ?

[slate sleet]

i think regardless of what you do it will 3-4 hit anything

[vivid parrot]

@formal lake heyo big cheese. Im told to ask you bout rashad axe :3

xD

[opal root]

pretty sure he's on vacation, that's why everyones letting off dumb shit without him to reign it in

[vivid parrot]

i have 1.8 million gold now and i got decent builds on my zealot, vet and especially psyker

so i want a next thing to grind on

xD

lets so at brunts if i can get a good rashad

[gusty bison]

Best vet melee is helbore

:P

[vivid parrot]

fkin hell xD 600k gold minus and didnt got a decent one

[slate sleet]

unarmored is so you can cleave as much chaff as possible

[opal root]

if you can get like greater than 70 on everything but mobility you'll be fine until you can roll a better one

[vivid parrot]

will this do :3 ?

[sharp ember]

looks good if hadron doesn’t brick it

[opal root]

yeah that's almost enough to 1 shot bruisers but it'll do

[vivid parrot]

haha lets see hadron

🙂

[gusty bison]

With agile engagement it should

[opal root]

nice!

[vivid parrot]

What other blessing then brutal momentum now ? :3

[slate sleet]

swap all or nothing to headtaker and add flak/carap/maniac as 2nd

and its basically bis

[opal root]

yeah

[vivid parrot]

ok lemme see if i have headtaker

only have headtaker 3 xD

[slate sleet]

doesnt really matter

[vivid parrot]

or thounderous lvl 4

[slate sleet]

its not perfect anyway

[vivid parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-sponge-bob-gif-13398684

[opal root]

just roll headtaker 3 it'll be fine until you unlock 4

[tiny summit]

alright, only have the mk3 sapper shovel but I think its my favorite right now to pair with a helbore for horde and crusher answers without needing to energize like power sword

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 shovel gud

[slate sleet]

is that the fold one

[gusty bison]

Yes

[slate sleet]

that thing is the most disgusting melee wep in the game

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[gusty bison]

Its a thunderhammer

[slate sleet]

dunno how redditors can shill powersword when you can fold the mk3 and 1 shot crushers

or anything really

[gusty bison]

Psword has better horde clear

[slate sleet]

it really doesnt

[gusty bison]

And can deal with more ragers at once

[slate sleet]

ragers are a non issue

[vivid parrot]

i was really hyped bout the powersword but it doesnt really feel dat good

[slate sleet]

you just shout and shoot them

[fallow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-gif-15112361227290036695

blood is not playing damnation

[opal root]

ikr

[gusty bison]

Tbf helbore obliterates ragers

[vivid parrot]

used this powersword and it really didnt feel dat great

[slate sleet]

i dont play anything but auric damnation

but ok

[fallow escarp]

the issue with ragers is when they're mixed in hordes

[slate sleet]

if you think ragers are a issue you are playing vet wrong

[gusty bison]

Psword is quite complex atm.

Cos u need to know quite a few attack patterns

And block cancel

And timings

[vivid parrot]

okay i never heard of that

so i prolly used it wrong haha

[gusty bison]

Ye

[vivid parrot]

playin a bit over a month now

[gusty bison]

If ur just swinging all lights or all heavies

Ur not makinh the most of psword

Psword 6 esp

[vivid parrot]

fair enough. i spend much on power cycler 4

just to be dissapointed now after many games xD

thats why i wanted another melee weapon to try out

[gusty bison]

It used to be a braindead weapon

Not anymore

[slate sleet]

devil claw 4 is the best melee wep for vet by far if you want a end all option but

its a brain activity weapon

so

[vivid parrot]

really ?

[opal root]

lol

[slate sleet]

its the only weapon that will always save you in every situation

[vivid parrot]

is this good then ?

[eternal depot]

dclaw 4 has solid damage and theoretically, you should be virtually immune to all melee

[solemn niche]

blessed by his name I got lucky today

[slate sleet]

ive been backed into a wall by a literal wall of crushers and the parry saved me and the entire run

[solemn niche]

371 rating first try 😄

[slate sleet]

you got something to say buddy

?

[strange sparrow]

I dislike the statement of solid damage because it’s average

[gusty bison]

Helbore go brrrr

Helbore best melee

Use it b4 they nerf it

[vivid parrot]

whats so special bout dclaw 4 ?

[strange sparrow]

Hella average sword with 100~ light and 300~ heavy

[eternal depot]

I mean don't get me wrong, it doesn't out damage powerswords or anything, but it can handle anything that isn't a sniper really

[strange sparrow]

Parry

[tiny summit]

but let reddit keep saying that its unusable so it doesnt get nerfed

[vivid parrot]

what does the parry do other then different melee weapons ?

[strange sparrow]

It probably the only weapon that don’t need to use a brain against rager in CQB

Yes you can spam parry and watch rager die

[gusty bison]

Helbore xD

[slate sleet]

you reflect insane dmg back at the attacker

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore don’t block for you smh

You need to dodge

[vivid parrot]

Oh that sounds cool actually

[gusty bison]

It staggers the rager out of combo

[slate sleet]

go look at the special action breakdown under inspect weapon

it does something like 3k dmg

[strange sparrow]

I see people just spam parry against rager cluster

With DC

[slate sleet]

can easily 1 shot rager if you time the parry and look at its face

[strange sparrow]

I know

[slate sleet]

DC is the only S+++ weapon in the game really

[strange sparrow]

🤮

[strange sparrow]

Not enough damage to deal with hordes

[vivid parrot]

is this a good one then ?

[slate sleet]

yeah thats fine

[strange sparrow]

My man for 1 mil docket

Richest man here

While I’m struggling with 6k docket and 15 plasteel and 10000 diamanté

[vivid parrot]

lol

dockets are the least problem for me always xD

i just saved up some plasteel

normally plasteel is my biggest problem

Whats the dumb stat normally on dclaw 4 ?

[slate sleet]

mob

you either want 80% or nothing at all

its just how it is

[solemn niche]

how do i improve this ? flak carapace or carapace elite ?

[gusty bison]

Flak cara is garbage

U miss the dreg gunner breakpoint

[solemn niche]

I already have flak/unarmored on my other plasmagun

im looking for something different on this one

[gusty bison]

Well u still need the dreg gunner BP

[vivid parrot]

this is 80 :3

[gusty bison]

So like

Change out flak for aomething else i guess

[slate sleet]

thats a god tier one tbh

[vivid parrot]

really ? xD

[gusty bison]

I think elite can still hit dreg gunner

[vivid parrot]

i thought its bad cuz cleave damage

[fallow escarp]

Im not a devil claw fan, why is mobility important when you can have amazing defense already?

[slate sleet]

its not

[strange sparrow]

Mobility is always a dump stats until it get too low

[solemn niche]

ok no offense but that advice is very shit lol i will play without dreg gunner breakpoint and see how it goes

[slate sleet]

mobility either does absolutely nothing or does something at 80%

[stable socket]

is the dreg gunner breakpoint for plasma 1SBS or 1SHS? i haven't been able to hit 1SBS without crit

[vivid parrot]

i have so many dclaw swords on my zealot

[gusty bison]

1SHS

[stable socket]

ah cool, ty

[gusty bison]

Bodyshot is a pipe dream outside of exec stance

[stable socket]

sadness...

[strange sparrow]

not even with Focus Target?

[vivid parrot]

@slate sleet wich one would you prefer. the first one where u said god roll or the one after

[slate sleet]

the 379

[vivid parrot]

ok lets take it to hadron just 4 fun xD

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

or is rampage usuable ?

[slate sleet]

rampage is fine i thinjk

[gusty bison]

Not withiut relying on other situatiinao buffs

Iike comp edge

[vivid parrot]

Ok the other one then savage sweep, shred or wrath ?

[gusty bison]

Or the full 8 stacks

[strange sparrow]

Reason to say that Plasma suck

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

Can't bodyshot guys

[vivid parrot]

i love this dragon :3

toothless

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-toothless-lick-lips-how-to-train-your-dragon-cute-gif-17325663995735481496

do blessings share from tac axe to combat axe ?

i guess not

[frank ether]

probably not

[white minnow]

nay

[gusty bison]

I think wep spec plasma hits it

But it relies on crit

[strange sparrow]

I dont think anyone take Wep Spec plasma right

[gusty bison]

Wep spec plas?

Nah thats a meta choice

[muted knot]

It's real good

[strange sparrow]

Really? Meta is Weapon Specialist Plasma?

zamn ok

[muted knot]

I wouldn't call it meta

[gusty bison]

Focus target or wep spec

Both are meta

[strange sparrow]

I dont really play Plasma so I wouldn't know

[muted knot]

But it fixes the main plasma downside of having a year long reload

And the guaranteed crit is also nice

[gusty bison]

Plasma has a quick swap

[dusky elm]

the teams in the morning....

[slate sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht6RV0p8tH0&ab_channel=Never-EndingPocketSandwich

@vivid parrot

[vivid parrot]

Thanks buddy 🙂

i ll take a look

[slate sleet]

dc takes a big fat dump on any redditsword user

its a good idea to practice the weapon now for when they release difficulty 6

if its anything like vermintide it will be a massive filter for 99% of the playerbase

who is used to having their weapons play the game for them

[vivid parrot]

so is it safe they release difficulty 6 ?

and damn i need the mod where you can spawn enemies that attack you :3

good training

just recently started adding 1 mod for scoreboard haha

oh man. dclaw is such a good weapon against crushers then

just realized xD

[strange sparrow]

Not really

[vivid parrot]

at least one of the most safe options

[strange sparrow]

it burn stamina

DC is a super Average Weapon that couldn't kill enemy fast enough to begin

[vivid parrot]

tbh theres 1 camp and the then the other

[strange sparrow]

I dont get why people think that it's good when you need to your L1 is 100¬ damage while your H1 is 300¬ damage

super weak

[vivid parrot]

i think its worth a try

[strange sparrow]

the only thing about it shining through is parry this rager

[vivid parrot]

yeah i ll just made one and will try it 🙂

[strange sparrow]

Also it have terrible effectiveness against Cara rn

[vivid parrot]

im fairly new with a bit over 1 month playin time.

[strange sparrow]

It's a fun weapon but I dont see it as a great weapon

[vivid parrot]

Cant be bad to try different things

[slate sleet]

wow if only we had a grenade that 1 shots carapace and comes back every minute

[vivid parrot]

first tho i ll go into a game now and try my rashad axe now :3

[strange sparrow]

I mean if you're saying that then running Recon with Psword 6 is the best build

[slate sleet]

devils claw + melee talents lets you absolutely anihilate chaff

[strange sparrow]

because I play Psword not recon

lmao

[slate sleet]

does dc do as much damage as reddit sword? no it does not

does it save your runs when everything that can go wrong goes wrong? yes

[strange sparrow]

Ok

I mean everything could work

if you just put it that way

[vivid parrot]

what is reddit sword ? xD

[strange sparrow]

it's not a comparison of individual weapon strength, it's just a comparison of multitude of combination with ranged weapon + talent

[vivid parrot]

psword ?

[strange sparrow]

probably, everyone is putting their ass up in Psword

except Psword don't make you play the game better

[slate sleet]

reddit sword is psword yes

[strange sparrow]

it just does everything without talent tree investment

[muted knot]

As soon as "reddit" is in a message you would do best to disregard the message

[slate sleet]

the most overhyped low iq wep in the game

[strange sparrow]

I call DC suck because how slow it clear hordes with L1H1 like everyone suggested

You call DC good because it's parry function

we are not on the same subject

[slate sleet]

you are right, its not but a build should be able to cover all the bases right? thats what a good build is

i have absolutely no idea how you can say it does not clear hordes well

what blessings are you using

whats your build

you can light swing it into a mix of poxwalkers, armored scabs, dregs etc it will delete it all

if you see a mauler or whatever in there just grenade or shout

or shoot it

[strange sparrow]

You can't delete stuff with light swing thou

especially bruiser

the damage is too low

it take multiple light swing which is why I said, how slow it clear hordes

you could be staggering them a lot

[slate sleet]

it takes 2 hits to kill armored melee chaff with melee talents

[strange sparrow]

If we factor all the talent in, knife is also the best weapon rn

[slate sleet]

dont make me boot up darktide to make a webm

[strange sparrow]

rather than Psword

[slate sleet]

come on

[strange sparrow]

kekW

[fallow escarp]

weapon master keystone thing makes power sword fuck so hard

[strange sparrow]

Man invest everything into Dclaw to bandaid it

[fallow escarp]

the dodge distance buff is badass

[strange sparrow]

instead of realizing it's pisspoor Light damage

[eternal depot]

I don't really struggle dealing with mobs using DC4, its obviously not going to be the best mob clearer otherwise it would straight up be the best weapon in the game because it can do everything. It IS however, good enough to handle mobs, just not powersword or spade level

[strange sparrow]

It's just not that great compared to Shovel/Psword/Rashad/Chainsword/ChainAxe

It's doable to use, and people just hookup on the Parry function against Rager

Also the fact that it's a pisspoor weapon against Armored while Shovel/Chainsword/C-axe are slowly getting buff here and there to negate Crusher

[eternal depot]

depends, I find claw makes you pretty much immune to anything that can't carry a gun or nade

[frank ether]

knife is very cool

[strange sparrow]

Knife do be strong when you run it with proper talent investment and blessing

but do poorly without proper investment

[fallow escarp]

i feel like chainsword is a better generalist weapon than devil claw but i also just really hate the devil claw moveset and feel

[frank ether]

well to be fair knife has some

really strong blessings

just gotta know what you're going for

[strange sparrow]

ChainSword are more generalist than DevilClaw because Chainsword can smack armored unit

[frank ether]

I have a few different ones

[strange sparrow]

While DClaw don't smack armored

[frank ether]

but recently been experimenting with the rending on hit + damage on bleeding enemies

I have to take +1 bleed talent for this

which is pain

[fallow escarp]

It's got a pretty decent shove and mobility as well

[strange sparrow]

It does well against poxwalker, but the moment you play Auric Damnation, you have difficulty against mixed hordes

[frank ether]

d.claw is nice as a secondary for ranged veteran

there is a lot of value in parries

[strange sparrow]

Yeah that's true

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[thick rose]

I like dclaw with autogun because Ill just hipfire anything with armor that dclaw sucks on ( like even the flak head dreg guys) and it rules when you get a demonhost or monstro on you

[eternal depot]

I actually don't like dclaw on Vets if I'm frank

[strange sparrow]

The only time I run Dclaw is with ranged IAG

[frank ether]

and if you run deadshot chances are you have already invested in stamina

[eternal depot]

I run Dclaw on zealots but not vets

[gusty bison]

Honestly id say the Mk 3 shovel is probably one of the more flexible vet melees atm

[thick rose]

and dclaw destroys horde which is the only other annoying thing with auto

light heavy spam is strong

[frank ether]

well I really do, but I also don't expect it to deal well with carapace enemies

Its just my chaff be gone stick

[eternal depot]

bruh, you can ignore carapace with dclaw

[strange sparrow]

it's not as strong as I would compared to other stuff but it's alright

[frank ether]

I have my gun for that

[eternal depot]

as in ignore their existance entirely

[strange sparrow]

it's like one of those, it's alright but not strong

[frank ether]

I don't like to risk overhead parries when there are like 6 crushers with 10 maulers all attacking at different intervals

[strange sparrow]

I would even go and say Dclaw is Recon

[frank ether]

nah

[gusty bison]

Whoa thats a bit much

[frank ether]

thats too much

[gusty bison]

Claw is solid

[frank ether]

claw is pretty okae

[eternal depot]

claw is like A tier to me

[strange sparrow]

Recon can be okay too if you try really hard to bandaid it

[frank ether]

no

[gusty bison]

Claw is A ye.

[frank ether]

recon is like

C tier if I'm being magnanimous

Claw is A tier

[eternal depot]

Recon is just for funsies

[thick rose]

long as you know what it does and have a gun to do the rest its fun

[gusty bison]

Theres a single build thats B tier

For recon

[frank ether]

and stuff like knife, psword etc belong in like S+ tier

[gusty bison]

Marksman recon

[eternal depot]

look.... here is the thing it doesn't matter what you use, you just have to be good at the game

[white minnow]

patch 12 yeah dclaws were peepee poopoo but we're in patch 13 and beyond

[strange sparrow]

I think I put Claw low because there's just a lot of melee weapon that does well against armored in some way while Claw is just hordes clearing

[gusty bison]

No one is saying they are poopoo i think

[frank ether]

I tried it grawr but without teammates pulling in their weight its more like C tier to me

[strange sparrow]

Nah not poopo, doable weapon

[gusty bison]

Just saying they arent P13 best melee weapon

[white minnow]

i saw a comparison to recon so that's what I assumed

[sharp ember]

mk7 claw gang

[gusty bison]

Fair

[stable socket]

claw feels like a good weapon for a vet that plans on shooting stuff 90% of the time and only pulls out melee when forced into a bad spot

[strange sparrow]

It is

[frank ether]

I think if recon either had good dps or good ammo (not both just one) I would also rate it B tier or even A tier if its a lower skilled player in question. But it doesnt have those qualities.

[eternal depot]

nah I prefer dclaw 4, its moveset handles anything in a pinch

[thick rose]

think this covers it

[frank ether]

I use a lot of d.claw 7

[strange sparrow]

I feel Dclaw are more lackluster simply the lack of Armor piercing option just for funny parry option against meme enemy

[thick rose]

there should be a sound like when you lasgun carapace, for when your dclaw bounces off flak helmets XD

[frank ether]

I think I know why you feel like d.claw feels bad against elites

[strange sparrow]

I call Rager meme enemy because their animation can't catch up like Vermintide 2

[frank ether]

think part of the problem is most common ''meta'' way to build d.claw is rampage and the other cleave blessing that both work if you hit 3 things

you might feel the damage is lackluster if you pulled it out to deal with a single rager or something

[sharp ember]

i love instantly parrying and killing a heretic that gets too close and immediately resuming shooting

[strange sparrow]

Also Parrying require you to not instinct-ly dodge

I remember my parrying miss because I dodge backward

[eternal depot]

i slide in and parry

more funnier that way

[frank ether]

parry is easier way of dealing with ragers on d.claw

but uh

[stable socket]

imagine if you could parry bullets

[frank ether]

thats muscle memory that may not have built in

[stable socket]

reflect that sniper shot back...

[strange sparrow]

That's a space magician kind of thing

and they could only block smh

[sharp ember]

stay tuned for the assassinorum agent class in 2034

[frank ether]

fatshark let me do it 😔

[strange sparrow]

Yeah, I just very instinctively spam dodge when enemy animation noise play out

[frank ether]

See yeah

thats exactly the point I was trying to get at

because you have different habits, it doesn't click for you

d.claw just like knife it wants you to play in a specific manner and build in a specific manner

[eternal depot]

i swap builds every game so I don't really develop habits well

[strange sparrow]

I mean only Dclaw want you not want to dodge after animation sound play

[frank ether]

block is just rly bad usually people avoid having to block

so mentally you avoid situations forcing you to block

but parry works in a similar way

so your brain works against you a lot of the time

[strange sparrow]

The bigger problem is also

When I already know I want to parry this rager

I dodge after letting him hit me

[frank ether]

just takes a bit of practice

I also constantly see people

talk about how X d.claw is the bad one

The X could be any of them

but they never agree on which one it is

which is funny

[strange sparrow]

DC4 in this case

because that's the only DC4 I play

[dusky elm]

which powersword do you prefer?

[muted knot]

Ps6 for the moveset

[vivid parrot]

love the axe so far :3

just played 1 game with it but its really cool to use

later im tryin out the dclaw in my zealot

[wintry raptor]

Do we have stats for ps charged attacks somewhere?

[sharp ember]

probably the darktide breakpoint calculator

[muted knot]

In the meat grinder

[marsh condor]

.....

[dusky elm]

This one looks pretty solid

[marsh condor]

Should I turn this shotgun into a Monster Hunter?

[strange sparrow]

Heavy Special = 519 in the head

without perks and blessings

[marsh condor]

Any thoughts?

[strange sparrow]

Push Attack (Charged) = 1026 while

Assuming you have no Perks and blessings

[sharp ember]

i find shotguns iffy for monster hunting, not enough sustained dps due to reloading

[marsh condor]

Well, I don't mean Monstrosities specifically at least.

Just Ogryn enemies.

[strange sparrow]

Don't have much experiences with Shotgun

Generally call them bad expect the fire one

but that's just me with shotgun in hordes game

[sharp ember]

ah well in that case

it’ll probably be alright but not exceptional for barrel-stuffing ogryns

kantrael has a wide spread making fullbore harder to use

[frank ether]

I was also DC4 fan

its probably the better one

but lately I've been an enjoyer of 7

[marsh condor]

I could swap it for Fire Frenzy, but that would leave me with one subpar Perk.

[strange sparrow]

I used DC4 because how much people suggest me for its ultra wide swing with L1H1 moveset

[marsh condor]

Or No Respite

[frank ether]

I think we kinda had a taste for damnation+ with the twins fight

[strange sparrow]

end up not really liking it because it lack ability against Bruiser which is what I deem hordes (?) rather than PoxWalker

[frank ether]

maybe this whole event was FS giving us a vibe check for tier6

[river escarp]

This good ¿?

[strange sparrow]

Are you into HellBore Mk3

[frank ether]

no

bad stopping power so not worth upgrading

stopping power is your armor damage

[river escarp]

No i have a build for the hellborne 2k where I just use the bayonet but never used the 3

[frank ether]

and helbore 3 is an anti-armor weapon

[sharp ember]

i agree to prioritize perks, you want flak since reaper body is flak on the topic of ogryn murder

[strange sparrow]

Not really anti armor but I know what you're saying

[frank ether]

I mean

one shotting crusher

is about as anti-armor as it gets tbh

for a ranged weapon as spammable (and accurate) as helbores thats quite respectable

[strange sparrow]

How do you build into getting one shot?

[frank ether]

with uh.. great difficulty

well it used to be really easy

now its a bit more complicated

[strange sparrow]

Yeah.. that's what I was thinking

[frank ether]

remember when marksman was flat %50 power for 10 seconds?

that made things really simple

now you have to build marksman stacks

[muted knot]

What do these numbers even mean ?

[muted knot]

Which isn't that hard truth be told

[strange sparrow]

Damage Bonus

[frank ether]

that really depends

[muted knot]

Wait what

[frank ether]

there is a reason nobody brought any helbores to twins hm

[strange sparrow]

Some weird thing about hellbore stopping power stats

[muted knot]

It has a 1396% damage bonus against carapace ?

So it deals more against carapace?

[frank ether]

how do you think you're capable of one shotting the toughest scariest mf in the entire game

[muted knot]

Or am I'm missing the point about this

[round jetty]

this

[strange sparrow]

There is Damage Bonus with HellBore, well couple months ago

[round jetty]

or this

[muted knot]

Wait even the HB2 has such a ridiculous factor ?