veteran-class

[torn root]

you dont need it

[terse idol]

If you place it where your teammates are it'll generate value

Just out it in the middle

If you're in trouble

[potent iris]

well people should gravitate towards med/ammo crates when dropped regardless

so they'll just get a bonus

[torn root]

i guess focus target is useless too then

[potent iris]

if your pubs are silly enough to not gather on the med crates then lol lmao

[formal holly]

it is for me as a left click pinger 😄

[torn root]

doesn't affect the team if every target you mark is killed by you

and im not talking about the augments

[potent iris]

but even then you can legit just use the drops to your own benefit worst case scenario, it's still pretty huge

[white minnow]

you can also be selfish and have 4 nade pickups all for yourself

[formal holly]

yeah if you have the ammo crate with grenade build thats kinda funny

[torn root]

this

[formal holly]

but that still requires you to have the crate yourself

[terse idol]

oops wrong reply

I mean

If an ogryn has the nuke

Just give him 4 nukes

[white minnow]

I'm always looting so I can get the pickups

[torn root]

close order drill is bad too

[formal holly]

thats probably the strongest

[terse idol]

If we want to get a little fantastical

[torn root]

because that relies on randoms

[terse idol]

But spamming shredders

Or stuns

[torn root]

its just not a good argument

[terse idol]

Pretty gooood

[formal holly]

ill always prefer reliability over rng

[torn root]

not rng

its guarenteed

lmao

its literally guarenteed value

you are vet using it

[terse idol]

Well and your entire team benefits from it

Any medkit, or ammo crate dropped

Its like a aura that even occurs if you're dead

[formal holly]

need to find a item > teammates can be unaware > teammates can run nadeless

[torn root]

using randoms not knowing you have something as an argument that something is bad is kinda not it

because you have close order drill which its variable is also randoms

[wanton dawn]

What would you value more ? Field improv or charismatic ? If you take VoC it improve yellow thoughness disribution

[formal holly]

yeah super reliable lol

[terse idol]

I mean in theory in QP you too are considered a random

If you aren't looking you're also like

Hurting your team

[white minnow]

nades and ammo crates aside, there's usually always medcrates

[formal holly]

aye

[wanton dawn]

Also charismatic improve close order drill as well

[white minnow]

heal to full and your team probably won't get rumbled by bursters

[formal holly]

which is why its better to run reliable stuff

[torn root]

its reliable

[formal holly]

at least for me

[torn root]

you are just assuming worst case

[white minnow]

it's pretty reliable

[bitter turtle]

I don't take field improv because it competes with stockpile

[formal holly]

you can run it all you like

[bitter turtle]

Only if I have a stray point leftover

[white minnow]

I don't take field improv cuz fuck my team

[terse idol]

I take improve because uh, VOC is in rhe middle

[white minnow]

i want my nade Regen as well

[terse idol]

Pgun OP

So I don't need many talents to enable it

Easy choice

[wanton dawn]

I dont take it cuz it i use my last point for other QoL

[torn root]

demo stockpile exsits if it didnt improv would be the go-to middle tree highway talent

[bitter turtle]

I don't take it because it competes with twinning blast

The best talent in the game

[formal holly]

yeah then it would be

[bitter turtle]

Should be a keystone

[terse idol]

Wooah

You're right

That's the 4th class

Grenadier

[serene bough]

Twin blast is garbage unless youre running smokes

[bitter turtle]

Twinned smokes are op

[terse idol]

ITS BLASTIN TIME

[torn root]

if it were a keystone over 5% damage i would actually be okay with that

[wanton dawn]

You know what we need ? Grenade crit !

[formal holly]

twinned blast should make you 20% drop 2 crates

[bitter turtle]

Think about it

[white minnow]

so true

[bitter turtle]

You blind everyone twice as hard

[formal holly]

and 20% double stims

[white minnow]

bleed should also crit

[serene bough]

when will the weapon customization mod work for grenades? i want to attach a bayonet

[wanton dawn]

And Oppenheimer Smoke bomb

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-throw-grenade-explode-gif-14811278

[forest scaffold]

I think I'm cool with bleeds and fire crits applying more stacks

[bitter turtle]

I want a bayonet on stims

So I can stab myself

[forest scaffold]

instead of bleed/fire doing more damage from a critical

[junior needle]

If you run smokes, you become the trash man, throwing trash around the battlefield

[torn root]

tf is this Borderlands?

we Moze now?

[wanton dawn]

Frags do not need a buff though

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I'm just speaking of currently

[terse idol]

We need the cylindrical grenade launcher guardsmen got in dawn of War 1

[forest scaffold]

as in: no need to change the mechanics as they are now

[formal holly]

run frags with skullcrusher and hammerblow

[forest scaffold]

bleed/fire are already obtuse enough as is

[wanton dawn]

Oh sure, this is just me saying nonsense argument anyway

[junior needle]

We need the voice actors from dawn of war 1

[terse idol]

but do buff smoke

[serene bough]

im actually annoyed FS missed the opportunity to add WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOMMMMMM

[formal holly]

we know our duty and we will do it

[bitter turtle]

The codex astartes calls this maneuver steel rehn

[terse idol]

REPORTIN FOR DUTY SIR

[bitter turtle]

We shall descend upon our foes

[wanton dawn]

Tbf smoke prevents more ppl from getting speed aura and infiltrate so id say leave it at that

[formal holly]

we shall not die no we shall not die

[forest scaffold]

smoke works fine

[formal holly]

it is the enemy who will taste death and defeat

[bitter turtle]

If we die this day we die in glory

[forest scaffold]

its just wishy washy if what it does is important enough

[junior needle]

Multiple, simultaneous, devastating, multiple, devastating, simultaneous deep strikes

[bitter turtle]

We die HEROES DEATHS

BUT, uh, we shall not die no!

I love that part lol

[junior needle]

||DEEP STRIKES||

[forest scaffold]

and it runs into the problem of breaking melee enemies in unexpected ways

consistency is key to muscle memory

and smokes throw a spanner into the gears

[serene sage]

what are we talking about?

none of these words are in the Bible

[formal holly]

it is the BANEBLADE

[junior needle]

SPESS MEHREENS

[forest scaffold]

literally every single word in the english language is in the bible

[formal holly]

wait thats dow2

[bitter turtle]

COMMANDER BOREALE

[serene sage]

my favorite is the Grey Knights

[wanton dawn]

I did a game with a smoke vet VS me with shredder. I definitely noticed smoke impact. Shredder were better though

[serene sage]

and erm the Death Guards

[forest scaffold]

I pretty much exclusively use kraks

[serene sage]

I definitely noticed smoke impact.
lies.

[forest scaffold]

fatshark still has vet tree problems on their hands

there's three distinct builds even after squashing the tail of the trees

[formal holly]

noticed the impact in being blinded

not being able to see its pretty impactful

throwing vape

[forest scaffold]

Its a lot harder to flex build than other classes - usually because there's too many picks up top and at the bottom

[serene bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1zMF53jmbE

[wanton dawn]

Nah, twas ascension tunnel part with load of gunner so best case scenario

[serene sage]

lies

deceit

[terse idol]

Our talents are incredible suffice it to say

[spark helm]

You're welcome

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lies-deception-everyday-more-gif-18108988

[wanton dawn]

I only run it on my bayo build

[slate sleet]

thank you for putting 2 gunlugger ogryn in my game fatshart very cool

[serene sage]

also I am now an agri shotty main

[slate sleet]

i love having dead weight

[forest scaffold]

it still makes me somewhat angry

[terse idol]

?????

[forest scaffold]

Vet just outright isn't fun to build

[wanton dawn]

Did you eat the dead rat btw ?

[formal holly]

OGRYNS!?

[forest scaffold]

Its just "hey this is the best thing"

[serene sage]

the fuck lmao

[forest scaffold]

and "everything else is just kinda strong"

[spark helm]

Idk

[bitter turtle]

The tree sucks just because survivalist and smokes exist

[wanton dawn]

Ey man, you said it

[bitter turtle]

One is so bad you never pick it

One is too good so you always pick it

[thorn lark]

How do you play focus without being annoying? I don't really want to keybind lmb and ping...

[wanton dawn]

Dont force me to check post history

[terse idol]

Well and infil has alot of tax but weapon spec just has 1

Its weird

[bitter turtle]

So you get forced left side or middle at best

[formal holly]

i mean who thought fireteam and that other one would even compete

[terse idol]

Wdym, just don't mass ping

[bitter turtle]

They do compete

[terse idol]

You dont need to do that

[spark helm]

Stop worrying about it and ping what's nex3ssarh. You don't need to be spamming it like people make it out to be.

They're just panicking with it most of the time.

[formal holly]

their effects are so tiny and unnoticable

[bitter turtle]

Against auras on other trees

[terse idol]

Its detrimental if you do

You want to cook your focus target stacks

[junior needle]

I think auras should be selectable independent of the talent tree

[bitter turtle]

Fire team and movespeed are actually pretty decent auras if you look at all classses

[spark helm]

You should be fine killing and swapping as you weave pings into your general play.

It's only an issue if you make it so.

[torn root]

same dumbass that thought reducing EoG rewards to 1 from 3 was a good idea

[bitter turtle]

Survivalist is just so insanely broken as an aura

[torn root]

possibly the same idiot that thought coherency indicator needed to be removed

[bitter turtle]

Should just be a vet passive and make a new aura

[forest scaffold]

NO

nononononononononono

[terse idol]

Fire team actually helped me meet a BP for my rashad

[formal holly]

ammo replenishment is just too good to pass up

[forest scaffold]

BAD

[terse idol]

So uh

[spark helm]

I just don't give a fuck at the end of day about survivalist. If I don't want it I don't want it

[forest scaffold]

STOP IT

[terse idol]

Eh

[forest scaffold]

IGNORING RESOURCES SHOULD NOT EXIST

[bitter turtle]

Then what, just delete it?

[terse idol]

We should destroy survivalist

[forest scaffold]

yes

[bitter turtle]

That's fine too

[forest scaffold]

literally fucking kill it with fire

[spark helm]

Like I can't be up in my head about this after a minute

[torn root]

if you had a melee node the same would have been achieved

lmao

[bitter turtle]

But I think more ppl would object to that

[forest scaffold]

Vet's grenade regen talents also need to die

[bitter turtle]

Either way

[terse idol]

I do

[forest scaffold]

both of them

Fucking stupid ass design

[bitter turtle]

My point is that it should not be competing against other auras

[terse idol]

I don't have BM t4

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest scaffold]

"hey, did you want to ignore half the game?"

[junior needle]

On the other hand, there should be a way for teams to keep up with increased spawns

[torn root]

another +5% melee node

[bitter turtle]

Which are perfectly good auras

[terse idol]

😭

[forest scaffold]

shits so fucking dumb

[bitter turtle]

People just think it's bad because lmao survivalist

[terse idol]

I do

[torn root]

instead of the aura

[forest scaffold]

Vet gets infinite ammo AND infinite nades

[formal holly]

it is bad

[terse idol]

I have both

[forest scaffold]

who the fuck at fatshark thought that was a good idea

[formal holly]

like a tiny bit of damage and a little ms

might as well be a regular node

[terse idol]

And I need both to meet a 3 hit BP on the crusher because my BM is level 2

[bitter turtle]

Oh yes

[tiny summit]

Someone likes guardsmen there

[bitter turtle]

I'm sure you'd rather have psykers elite dmg aura over fire team right

Lol

[torn root]

show tree

[forest scaffold]

This is too much. I should've rephrased that better.

but its actually mindboggling to make resource management a part of the game and then make ways to completely ignore it on one class.

[celest vine]

Probably when they fucked the game director over to spawn back to back monstrosities

[bitter turtle]

Or suppression damage up

[terse idol]

I'm in bed

[formal holly]

yeah

i would

[bitter turtle]

Why

[torn root]

make one rq on gameslantern

[bitter turtle]

Pskyer is also 5 percent u realize lol

[torn root]

lmao

[formal holly]

cause it ain't boring effects

[bitter turtle]

It's just a straight downgrade over fire team

[terse idol]

Suffice it to say, I have the weak point damage, plus elites plus monstrocities

[bitter turtle]

Now ur just being silly

[terse idol]

Plus rending

[shut flax]

Fireteam would be interesting if survivalist didn't exist

[torn root]

desperado

easy

[slate sleet]

what happened to that mod that let you avoid being matched with ogryn and stealth zealots

[torn root]

you dont need fireteam

[shut flax]

It depends entirely on what it would be replaced with tho

[torn root]

lmao

[terse idol]

Yes plus desperado

[forest scaffold]

yeah, vet has like 5 or 6 "trees" if you ignore keystones for 2-3 builds

[wanton dawn]

I use fireteam to reach bp on melee build

[forest scaffold]

which is weird

[celest vine]

+2 skill points

[spark helm]

That's hilarious. That's like peak crybaby shit

[terse idol]

Can't meet 4(3) hit BP on crushers without fire team

[spark helm]

Is that real?

[torn root]

10% melee damage under smokes?

[forest scaffold]

keystoneless vet is still stronger than it has any right to be

[formal holly]

keystones are kinda ass anyway

[terse idol]

With the melee damage node

[forest scaffold]

[terse idol]

Yes

Again

[umbral scaffold]

not having determined make me question my sanity. i stray shot and i move 2 cm in an hour

[torn root]

you need a beter rashad

.>

[terse idol]

I'm missing BM

[wanton dawn]

Tis a troll mod

[formal holly]

just throw a krak at crushers

[terse idol]

On level 4

[formal holly]

no bp needed

[terse idol]

That's my 5%

[wanton dawn]

EnligntenedGamer mod

[shut flax]

If you don't have a good wep for crushers, that's def a strat

[terse idol]

Eh hmm

[torn root]

bm3 >bm4 is a 2.5% diff

not 5%

[terse idol]

With focus target I don't think so

Yeah I have bm2

🥹

[torn root]

oof

[formal holly]

the weapon swap keystone is alright

[forest scaffold]

No, my point is that sacrificing keystones frees up a huge amount of flex points

[terse idol]

I literally need fire team

[celest vine]

+32 damage to daemonhost + 8 krak grendades

[formal holly]

you need what 4% damage?

[forest scaffold]

allowing you to do shit like grab 10% melee attack speed, 25% ammo, iron will, rending strikes, and onslaught

[terse idol]

5%

[bitter turtle]

Not all weapons are BP weapons anyway

[terse idol]

Rashad is

[torn root]

eeeh

[formal holly]

lol

[bitter turtle]

Auromatic weapons always benefit from dmg increases

[terse idol]

I mean

[forest scaffold]

new laspistol seems that way

[torn root]

that comment literally cannot exist

[terse idol]

You do need the high tier blessings

[forest scaffold]

its got weird multipliers on headshots

[torn root]

lol

[forest scaffold]

making perks hard to pick

[torn root]

everything has a BP for damage

[shut flax]

Fireteam is nice, but dang survivalist is 3good

[wanton dawn]

The only reason i am not keystoneless on columnus is that the last talent row nodes before keystone is really strong on left tree

[wanton dawn]

So keystone is a 1 point grab anyway

[torn root]

even if its 1 less hit req, or 5, the BP exists

[formal holly]

im running it on the right for the brittleness

[bitter turtle]

Yeah but the tier to the next BP for automatic weapons is small enough that any damage increase will always save u some bullets/ttk is the point

[terse idol]

Yes this is why the struggle to find the one less hit on the crusher BP

[formal holly]

and the extra AS is nice on a magdump

[bitter turtle]

Maybe not literally always but you get what I mean

[terse idol]

Since I'm already spending more time than I want overheading crushers

[shut flax]

Deadshot columnus pretty much needs focus target and target down

You CAN run it without it

[terse idol]

Well

[torn root]

shoot it 🙂

[terse idol]

Yeah automatic weapons are a niche case

[torn root]

wait do you have onslaught?!

[terse idol]

Most of these semi autos need to hit bps

[terse idol]

Me eepub gotta check later

[torn root]

cause i gotta have ppl understand that that shit works on melee

i feel like ppl forget that

you are aiming to 3 shot crushers right?

[terse idol]

I forgor I gotta check
I either have a 3 shot or 4 shot now

I think I have a 4shot....

Which still means yeah I need a better radhad and bm4

Is it even possible to get a 3 shot vet for a rashad

I know azrael had that video of him 3 tapping the crushers on zealot

[wanton dawn]

Mk3 ps can reach 3 shot as well. I know cuz i know

[torn root]

mk6 2 shot 🙂

but we on rashad

[thorn lark]

i mean, if i shoot, i do have some control and it's not obnoxious, but if i have to melee a bunch of elites it will become tiring real fast to get a clang every second

[wanton dawn]

Sure but it require stam management

[bitter turtle]

Just ping when you want

[torn root]

im braindead and have a shit ton of stamina regen

[terse idol]

Just focus on one at a time

[bitter turtle]

There will always be ppl that complain lol

All you need to worry about us keeping redirect fire up

[torn root]

player management doesnt exist when the game does it for you

plus a 1 sec ttk is funny

[wanton dawn]

-0.5s stam, 3×stam regen curios, 2 stam on my columnus. For reason

[bitter turtle]

I suggest binding ping to a thumb button on your mouse if you have a programmable mouse buttons

[torn root]

im at 12 stamina yeah

it feels nice

lmao

its not for no reason

[formal holly]

theres a perfectly good left click that works great for pings

[torn root]

could go to 15 total stamina tho

[wanton dawn]

More than 2 is overinvested imo. I am already 2 buster away from death

[torn root]

greatly changes how long you can fire with deashot

i like my free crits

[shut flax]

15 would be interesting to magdump with dum dum

[wanton dawn]

Its not free, it costs 20 health/thoughness for a 25% stam increase

[torn root]

also affects how many bars you get back with Target Down and Duck and Dive

[torn root]

oh health and toughness

when im permanently at max toughness

until IW stops being a crutch im not valuing those

i want the talent nerfed

[white minnow]

toughness gets me a good amount of mileage for allowing me to play more forward

[wanton dawn]

Oh, i get it. Voc focus target columnus

[torn root]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

Am using exe stance marskman focus

[torn root]

just constantly regening stamina and toughness

[white minnow]

playstyle dependent of course and you can always be at farther ranges, but I like it for running into enemies

[torn root]

the glassiest of cannons

[wanton dawn]

Those shooter dies though

[torn root]

i didnt like that constantly spamming exec stance was actually a waste

you have moments when its off cd before the 1st one ends

got into the bad habit of spamming VoC

[low oar]

Tbh, the highlight for exec stance is really helpful for headshots since it's easy to see a bunch of yellow heads instead of black helmets blending into a dark background

[white minnow]

i love the recoil reduction for maximum brain off

[bitter turtle]

Somewhat of a tangent

But I prefer old fire

Lol

😔

[wanton dawn]

Exec stance is great on autogun.

[white minnow]

i despise old fire because of flamers

if their projectile hit you once, rip toughness

[bitter turtle]

Yeah that's the point

[white minnow]

which was insanely annoying for rushing flamers down in melee

[bitter turtle]

It was very dangerous

[buoyant axle]

wow first mission in awhile with no deaths.... 4 veterans.... makes u think..

[torn root]

the fire changes made flames safe

[bitter turtle]

Now it's

[torn root]

or a lot safer*

[bitter turtle]

Eh

[low oar]

The nice part of the flame changes is that I can choose to sacrifice a bit of toughness for running through

[spark helm]

You can still manage it and filter out the unnecessary situations. develop a strong relationship with your judgment and you'll figure it out.

[white minnow]

they can always buff flamers with more range

[low oar]

Instead of just being this massive "no pls don't go" zone

[white minnow]

and faster anims

[terse idol]

Well it kiinda made sense to be fair

[torn root]

ignoring the b-hopping thing [which needs to be fixxed] fire should be dangerous

[white minnow]

since flamers are no longer extremely dangerous by their own

[terse idol]

Melee probably shouldn't be running into a flame thrower

[white minnow]

well, it's like any other threat where it's dangerous when mixed with other threats

but nothing of note when alone

[torn root]

no punishment tho

[terse idol]

Man we're lucky we're not fighting warp flamers from vt2

[wanton dawn]

Wise word

[spark helm]

Melee "shouldn't" be doing anything in this game versus stuff with guns

[torn root]

i miss the explosions

[terse idol]

Me too!

[spark helm]

not even trying to be that person, but that is some bullshit.

[terse idol]

What the they even have a backpack

[terse idol]

That's fair

[torn root]

i still think ranged enemies should deal chip damage

[bitter turtle]

But yeah

[terse idol]

But its like me comparing warp flamers from vt2

[torn root]

maybe on a new difficulty

[bitter turtle]

I like flamer and bomber being anti toughness

[drifting oak]

The bigger thing about 4 veterans is 0 zealots, 0 ogyrns

[terse idol]

Melee would get literally pushed away

[torn root]

but ranged not doing chip is kinda dumb imo

[drifting oak]

pub zealots and pub ogyrns are some of the largest sources of overpulling because "oh me melee class me pull the entire fucking map"

[spark helm]

I just think that for some of these changes being brought up, the game dynamic people think they're goingto get will not play out how they'd want

[wanton dawn]

Kinda rude to ogryn

[spark helm]

Darktide can easily become boring and regimented more than people already make their play out to be when its relevant

[drifting oak]

look

[spark helm]

Just like vt2

[drifting oak]

you give pubs an F button that charges them forward

[wanton dawn]

Ogryn are here to block your shot

[drifting oak]

and what do they do with it

[wanton dawn]

Zealot are the stretch one

[drifting oak]

team will be killing an entire backspawn and the guy with the melee F charge button will pull an entire second or third squad

[white minnow]

i don't mind ranged enemies getting a damage buff but chip damage would be particularly annoying since I'd have to pay attention a lone shooter in a corner

[spark helm]

Personally just despise the idea of strict role adherence. It's literally a suggesstion.

[white minnow]

and removing the ranged damage reduction mechanic on toughness break wholly

[spark helm]

Like straight up you don't have to do shit you don't want to. Whatever that means for how you manage that is how that can be accomplished.

[drifting oak]

it's less "adherence" as "the game will throw X Y Z threats at you"

[torn root]

i dont think any of the classes have strict roles in this game

[wanton dawn]

Too late, am already shooting trash ranged. Cover me or i report you

[severe adder]

whats the difference between the two chainswords

[drifting oak]

"if your team can't handle X Y Z threats you die"

specials, armored elites, trash, bosses

[spark helm]

mhm. I see what you're saying. just throwing my filthy knife player hat in the ring. 😛

[drifting oak]

if everyone on the team has a flamer you're gonna get rinsed

so SOMEONE needs to be capable of sniping

[spark helm]

I genuinely love being able to pull off the kind of crap you can get away with in this game when it's like, the worst idea.

You have so much more freedom to play like a fucking maniac in this compared to vt2

[torn root]

i would like to say this is untrue

[wanton dawn]

Well, vet has build that can deal with every threat

[torn root]

because skill exists

and cover

[drifting oak]

like this is me playing "zealot" (2nd column) but as you can see from the scoreboard I was on specials duty that whole game

[spark helm]

I mean yeah. Vet's the generalist center of what's just good in these games.

[torn root]

it be like that

[spark helm]

Everything else tends to just be louder versions of that concept in application.

[drifting oak]

no amount of "skill and cover" will save you from pixel-snipers on trainyard

[shut flax]

At least they changed psyker to not just be diet veteran

[torn root]

PSword Plasma

[drifting oak]

3 of them go up and then you get coralled into the train, then you die to bombers anyway

[wanton dawn]

In my experience, the ppl complaining about other ppl not doing their job are the weak link

[spark helm]

Didn't think that psyker feltl ike that at all.

At least not to me.

[torn root]

idk about that one

[shut flax]

At launch, Psykers and Veterans had the same job

And fought over the same targets

[drifting oak]

I mean I get miffed when I try to have fun with stubber ogyrn

[white minnow]

you can hang out in the other trains or in the area adjacent to the event activation button

[terse idol]

Why people getting themselves stuck in traiiinnn

[spark helm]

I guess.

[drifting oak]

and no one else will pixel hunt snipers

[tranquil bronze]

Why do people insist on picking up grims on Damnation?

[shut flax]

Except Psyker needed stacks to be relevant and Veterans just did it better

[drifting oak]

"it's shiny so I must pick it up"

[spark helm]

I just never gave a shit about whether or not I was the one killing the thing.

[torn root]

wasnt trying to say this but yes

[white minnow]

and if you're a flamer zealot, you're also likely running chastise

[shut flax]

(I was one of the initial psyker testers lol)

[terse idol]

Vt2 brain

[spark helm]

And my builds for vet back then were mostly lasgun vuilds.

[terse idol]

Its not craazy

[torn root]

there are answers, you having to be the answer shouldnt be a complaint

[terse idol]

That people gonna pick them up

[severe adder]

whats the difference between the two chainswords

[terse idol]

(Its just not worth like it was in vt2)

[torn root]

and you CAN still beat the run without the direct answer to something

[terse idol]

They seriously need to rework grim awards

[drifting oak]

lol no

[spark helm]

lol yes

[drifting oak]

if you don't have good boss damage on the team you're gonna die on monstroities maelstrom

[shut flax]

It's like having a brain burst psyker as your only ranged option

It's not the best, but it technically is doable

[spark helm]

no, it'll just take years.

[torn root]

NO?!
!

[terse idol]

You won't because you don't often times need to instantly kill the boss

[torn root]

lmao

[terse idol]

Its nice

[spark helm]

worst case scenario, you might exhaust resources.

[drifting oak]

look, you try making any progress at all

when there are literally 3 bosses up

[torn root]

this

[terse idol]

It might stop a next horde

[torn root]

lmao

[drifting oak]

because no one can do fucking good boss damage

[spark helm]

Weakened bosses?

[terse idol]

But a boss isn't a killer to a run

[spark helm]

With these bosses?

[terse idol]

Usually

[spark helm]

in this game?

compared to minotaurs?

[drifting oak]

green bosses?

even weakened, if they get green it's a HUGE hp sponge

[shut flax]

Weakened bosses can be solo'd by a single purgatus staff if they position correctly.

[torn root]

skill is the only deciding factor in completing a run in this game

not gear

[wanton dawn]

I have full enemies coverage on my 4 maelstrom build. 2 ult, 3 keystone, 2 aura, 2 nadz

[torn root]

not team mates

[spark helm]

they're mostly easy to manage with baiting them out

[drifting oak]

i would qualify purgatus staff as decent boss damage

[shut flax]

It's average at best

[terse idol]

Okay well reasonable gear

[drifting oak]

but like I've pugged into some seriously shit teams

[torn root]

if you were inclined enough to you could do a solo auric on grey

[terse idol]

You cannot take grey power level 100 weapons

[torn root]

i sat an watched a dude play auric with double greys

gear dont mean shit

[white minnow]

gear matters a fair bit

[spark helm]

I'm not trying to be that person, but the bosses in this game that aren't like, maybe chaos spawn and beast (in tight fucked up areas) is not that much of struggle fr

like at all.

[terse idol]

Were they modifier 330+?

[drifting oak]

yeah and double chaos spawn is totally a thing

[terse idol]

If so yeah

[spark helm]

With other things coming yes it's a pain in the ass.

[shut flax]

The worst part about bosses is the environment

[terse idol]

But not with modifier 200

[spark helm]

But it's not just straight up over.

[white minnow]

DPS checks are a real thing though you're often easily past that point

[drifting oak]

it's maelstrom lmao

there is always more shit than just the bosses

[terse idol]

Its a dps check

[spark helm]

Yeah I know.

[torn root]

gear enhances what we can do, but is not the defining factor on if we can win or not

[terse idol]

You will literally run out of ammo

[drifting oak]

maelstrom bosses is a stiff dps check

[terse idol]

Yes but modifiers do matter for damage

[white minnow]

gear feels like a defining factor to me

[spark helm]

I'm in maelstroms too. @terse idol point still rings. The worst thing, strictly is running out of resources.

[wanton dawn]

Shredder are not ammo or gear constrained

[white minnow]

gear/skill tree/etc.

[drifting oak]

"have weapons that can at least moonlight as bosskillers or else you're gonna die"

[spark helm]

THEN you can end up being fucked for free.

[white minnow]

and beyond finishing games, I don't want it to be a painful slog where I have to kite

[drifting oak]

like sure I enjoy playing crusher + mg12 zealot but good lord its boss damage is mehhhhhhhhhhh

[wanton dawn]

The most dps check mod is no ammo. The rest idk

[drifting oak]

the best you get is bleed stacks from the crit talent but that's so bad

[torn root]

that has nothing to do with the point being made

at all

[shut flax]

Did they remove the uber dark modifier?

I haven't seen it in a minute

[bitter turtle]

You can abuse terrain and pathing to solo monstros

[white minnow]

i said my piece so i figured i'd remark on something else

[bitter turtle]

With bad weapons

It takes a long time though lol

[wanton dawn]

Still exists in auric, i avoid it

[torn root]

^

[bitter turtle]

Most ppl will slip up to something eventually

[spark helm]

like, i really hope people aren't thinking that you coudln't pull dumb shit off in vt2 on cata with terrible boss dmg while getting jumped anyway.

[drifting oak]

i have yet to see someone solo two chaos spawns

[torn root]

something taking long doesnt mean you cant do it

[drifting oak]

or even just chaos spawn + plogyrn

[shut flax]

I remember it being hell

[bitter turtle]

I've seen it

[torn root]

you might not want to

but doesnt mean you cant

[bitter turtle]

Had to use pathing abuse though

[spark helm]

I'll do it and not record it.

[drifting oak]

door cheese doesn't count

[wanton dawn]

Is that a challenge ?

[spark helm]

Again.

[torn root]

why not?

\its in the game

lmao

[shut flax]

I'll just send a 20 minute black screen as proof

[bitter turtle]

No door cheese for the instakill if that's what u mean

[drifting oak]

the almighty instakil door

[torn root]

so now we nit/cherry picking?

[bitter turtle]

They just used pathing abuse and made them run around

[spark helm]

^^^

[terse idol]

Well or ignoring the large rooms with gunner patrols

Regular gunners

Grey weapons isn't gonna cut it past a certain damage mod

[torn root]

stamina dodges and grenades exist

[bitter turtle]

It was kind of a bug in itself tbh tho lol

[terse idol]

Hmm

[bitter turtle]

They dragged the spawns back to an elevator with doors on two sides

Then ran through over and over

[terse idol]

I'll wait for someone to do s auric maelstrom with their level 1 grey lasgun to seeee

[spark helm]

lol

[terse idol]

I'm just not convinced

[bitter turtle]

Cause the spawns can't enter thru

[terse idol]

Those weapons... just suck

[bitter turtle]

And would have to path all the way around lol

[terse idol]

So hard

[spark helm]

idk about not having at least decent purples but if ppl do it they can just do it or something

[torn root]

hard =/= impossible

[spark helm]

But for aurics eh

[terse idol]

Well I'll await the challenge runs

[frank basin]

I brought grey chainaxe on damnation once

Not auric

[spark helm]

personally just wouldn't go in at all without some kind of orange shit but i'm not out here to prove I can fit in my shoes.

[torn root]

ppl need to seperate the want to do something and the ability to do something

fr

[terse idol]

Someone one day will be mad enough to try

[white minnow]

well, I agree that it's not impossible regardless of the gear because of kiting

[shut flax]

They also need to separate what is feasible and what is worth it to them.

[bitter turtle]

Ok

[white minnow]

that's an easy argument to prove

[bitter turtle]

I know what's impossible

[wanton dawn]

I mean, who care besides youtuber ? "CAN YOU BEAT MAELSTROM WITH LVL 1 GREY WEAPON ?" (Yes)

[spark helm]

:>

[white minnow]

but that's also not an interesting discussion cuz it's easy to prove

[sharp ember]

depends on how dependent the weapon is on having a blessing, i can probably make do with a purple

[bitter turtle]

My bolter push only challenge on auric maelstrom scab only green blessing monstro

[terse shell]

also fkin annoying that your teammate have to carry you after you bring grey gear into damnation

[bitter turtle]

U can't do it

[terse idol]

If you want to launch a YT channel, auric damanrion all Grey's sub 200 modifier

Is a pretty good start

[terse shell]

like jfc do it in single player with 3 bot for all I care

[terse idol]

Well yeah but people love that

That's content

[bitter turtle]

Don't tell me u can when you need 10 sec to kill a pox on sedition with that move

[spark helm]

I run oranges in aurics just because they're usually just enough for a more comfortable strain versus like

needing to fight against myself to win

[wanton dawn]

I find it obnoxious as hell

[spark helm]

I don't like that specifically.

[terse idol]

[shut flax]

"Can you beat auric maelstrom by only pushing [gone wrong]"

[white minnow]

you can also solo by just running some stealth build

[terse idol]

Valid

[white minnow]

it's just not particularly interesting

[spark helm]

never tried it

[bitter turtle]

If u can do bolter push only with vet stealth record it

I will think it's interesting

[spark helm]

need to be invested in this game's aesthetics enough

which, no, fuck 40k

[frank basin]

The “CAN you beat MAELSTROM AURIC as veteran melee only?”

[spark helm]

i don't care enough

[terse idol]

Vet melee is good doe

[wanton dawn]

Yes. Goodbye

[white minnow]

melee only doesn't sound too bad

[spark helm]

it's veteran, you'll be okay.

[white minnow]

bulwarks would be the only pain point in my mind

[frank basin]

Is funny with YouTube clickbait something

[spark helm]

i'll just say it

[terse idol]

The auric maelstrom when the melee only vet brings out his ps6

[shut flax]

Certified combat knife moment

[wanton dawn]

Can you beat auric in pubs ? (Challenge)

[shut flax]

(Impossible)

[spark helm]

Hi.

[white minnow]

i'd unironically use ps6 for melee only unles this was a solo melee only

[spark helm]

I'll do it again.

[serene bough]

auric pubs are what i live for

[shut flax]

I ran knife psyker on launch. I get the hype

[terse idol]

Beating auric damn solo blind folded??????

[wanton dawn]

Can you beat twins in heresy ? (Nsfw)

[frank basin]

I live below regular damnation

[spark helm]

I still haven't set up knife psyker.

I don't really want to

I like the saber too much

iz cool

[serene sage]

it will be really boring haha

like you just bash push run stealth all game

no action 😔

[wanton dawn]

Can you beat the like button ?

[frank basin]

Can you solo veteran melee on maelstrom damnation? (Not clickbait)

[spark helm]

Probably easier with certain maps.

[frank basin]

YouTube Darktide title Fr

[serene sage]

beating the twins, gone wrong, gone sexual????

is your bolter long enough?

[terse idol]

Brazers™️

[gaunt hinge]

Soloing hadron???(gone heretical)

[serene sage]

how many bullets can you shove into a magazine?

[spark helm]

You got vets that want to play voc and then vets that want to play melee.

[wanton dawn]

let me know what you think in the comment. Giveaway for 100 first

[frank basin]

Playing agripinna IAG’s with twin.

[serene sage]

TOP 4 CLASSES IN DARKTIDE, NUMBER 3 MIGHT SHOCK YOU

[terse idol]

Magazine stripping gone wrong

[spark helm]

The voc vets in my experience, are straight up one cd downtime away from going down

they cannot play without it.

they haven't learned how.

[wanton dawn]

Smash like, subscribe, hit the bell

[spark helm]

And they're comfortable with it and can't do anything else without thinking about it

So everything else just becomes dust to them.

[wanton dawn]

Watch until the end

[serene sage]

how long can you last against the twin HARD mode?

[spark helm]

Fucking go beyond kruber

for once.

jesus.

[gaunt hinge]

220 combat stance

[frank basin]

For Kadia

[spark helm]

Bue 42, bue 42, HUT HUT

[terse idol]

For ato🅱️a

[spark helm]

shit sound so funny

[wanton dawn]

Also need a stupid thumbnail

With 😮

[spark helm]

I can't not make fun of 40k

[frank basin]

Dis iz faor kadia

[spark helm]

this shit is so silly

[terse idol]

It really is

[spark helm]

I went through the ceremony cutscene without music just to see.

It's an MLM

It's just an MLM

XD

[wanton dawn]

We are warrior?

[spark helm]

"WHO AM I?"

[terse shell]

nah you're rejects

[spark helm]

aboslutely silent in a shit smelling ass church

I aM awarrior

[wanton dawn]

Am a stupid sandwich

[spark helm]

PFFT

The imperium is a joke dude.

[terse shell]

that cutscene was so cringe

I nearly turned to chaos

[spark helm]

The imperium is just that lame.

no matter what

And I like how the universe of 40k does make shit like the imperium dumber to think about should someone be under it and indoctrinated.

[wanton dawn]

I mean, chaos is litterally using radio to make ppl stupid

[spark helm]

yall getting played to stroke some invisible man while living in a hab block 2 sec away from some nurgle fart melting your skin while you eat your sludge leeches.

lmao

[terse idol]

Well I mean 40k is best viewed as a satire for how bad humanity can be

[spark helm]

and then if you're fighting for these fucks, or any other creed for that matter, it's just for whatever stupid existential shitstorm you're trying make your only reality

[wanton dawn]

40k is already a capitalism "satire" though, and not through its lore

[frank basin]

People of Tertium, we have returned and redeemed.

[terse idol]

I mean after talking a bunch about it 40k being mah grimdaek

Is still more about stories of these epic hero's fighting against the odds

[spark helm]

Wouldn't say its just capitalism but there's enough in it from the little I've read. I'm not interested in this universe enough though.

[wanton dawn]

W40k Dorktide: into the grimdankness

[wanton dawn]

I was mocking GW

[frank basin]

Shitdarkness

[spark helm]

And also, for reading like that, I'd say 40k is well beyond its "usefulness"

[terse idol]

I think being careful to separate the 40k grim dark meme vs the chad hero's fighting against an unending darkness

Is always best

[spark helm]

i mean, the "chad reading" transforms it incredibly.

[terse idol]

And then orkz just being good

[spark helm]

To be that much of a dipshit

Like damn dude.

you really think you doin shit for this world/cosmos/whatever

Like you really do.

lmao

fucking moron

[terse idol]

Well they gotta tey

Ride or die

Its how we get incredible stories like Yarrick

[spark helm]

I hate 40k's universe in a way that doesn't mean I'm rejecting interacting with it.

[frank basin]

Gitz gudz

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[wanton dawn]

To me, w40k lore is mostly about selling plastic figurine so i cant see myself get into it 🤷

[spark helm]

I jjust hate everything about how that universe runs itself from a literary angle

What is the fucking point of living in a universe that's this instrumentally predeterministic by manipulated design?

[frank basin]

Necrons: 😪

[spark helm]

Fuck ever ending up in there.

Like ever.

Unless you Want this kind of misery or something

lol

[terse idol]

Well yeah you would never want to live there

You want to be a war hero and uh... probably still die

😌

[spark helm]

And just be more fuel for the pyre yeah

[frank basin]

War crime is a things

[spark helm]

Since you're drunk off your whatever space powers at that point

[frank basin]

They can kill babies

[terse idol]

Again some of the strongest stories 40k had to offer is when it gets goofy

[frank basin]

Alpharius?

[terse idol]

Ciaphas Kains infinite luck

Yeah alfarius

[wanton dawn]

Hadron can probably help you becoming a door knob

[terse shell]

40k current time is what happens after the fall of literally every major civ save the tau. Imperium is children playing in a ruined castle thats the point, everyone is just crawling on the dirt after the war in heaven

[frank basin]

Trazyden the infinite

I go where i want and what I want

[terse shell]

the high point of 40k universe is when prime eldar, krork and necron were still fighting each other and when changes actually happen

[terse idol]

Yarrick, Yarricks death and Ghazghkulls revenge

The really goofy shit is fun

[frank basin]

Yarricks made Ork cried

He’s dead

[terse idol]

Yarrick dying made Ghazghull so angry he made a Wah to avenge him and kill Angron

He got smarter

Because he respected yarrick so much and wants to avenge him

[frank basin]

Frienemies

[terse idol]

😌

They were just roommates

[frank basin]

Weirdz boyz

Waaaaagh

[terse idol]

🥹

[frank basin]

I have post some little meme in #darktide-pics-vids message

[crude ermine]

This post was fact checked by proper ORKY GITZ

[frank basin]

Gitz gud

[crude ermine]

DAZ THE ZOGGIN STUFF

[slate sleet]

de jump

[tranquil bronze]

How should I build Catachan Mk IV sword?

[forest scaffold]

savage sweep, rampage, flak, maniac

mobility is your dumpstat

~60% with >=70% in everything else

[serene sage]

the fucking server

needs to be fixed

holy shit

the non hit regs

are getting on my nerve

[crude ermine]

It's been happening a lot on my helbore and it's quite annoying

Same for my revolver, slap a bomber's head and see blood coming out

Nothing

Doesn't drop dead not even a single hit was made

[serene sage]

like what the fuck is this

it's happening at least once every game

[frank ether]

I wonder whats the tickrate

for dt servers

[crude ermine]

I'd actually be fucking pissed I can see what you mean now

[frank ether]

best part is its a hitt on your client

server disagrees however

[serene sage]

what the fuck is this

[wanton dawn]

Tecktonik

[crude ermine]

Psyker's warp shield knocking it back but also knocking it back again

[muted knot]

Breakdance time

[crude ermine]

Happens a lot with that shield

[frank ether]

Oh yea

its probaby because they havent restarted servers in a while

[crude ermine]

Gets pushed into the shield but the shield bounces it back

[white minnow]

and the ground fire i think as well

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[white minnow]

flopping like a fish on land

[crude ermine]

Tho sometimes the psyker rectangle shield can just be finnicky for some reason

Still funi tho

[wanton dawn]

I love the shotting part. You can feel the "kill quickly before it ragdoll here" energy

[serene sage]

what the fuck is this

please fix your game holy, tankiest bomber known to man

[wanton dawn]

Thats is skill issue though

[crude ermine]

Bullets traveled by business days whereas non ads wanted to be there 20 minutes early

[white minnow]

so true

[frank ether]

yikes

were you on na?

I'm scared to boot the game now

[serene sage]

yeah lmao

east coast

[frank ether]

I'm an europoor so maybe I'm spared

[junior needle]

I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME

[muted knot]

Bomber just built different fr fr

[umbral scaffold]

yeah i'm having issue's with the servers as well

[frank basin]

Plush are you east European?

[frank ether]

lets just say yes

[frank basin]

Huh so east European are poor and poverty

[white minnow]

LMAO

[frank ether]

sure why not

[crude ermine]

Poxburster here wanted to give me a hug

[muted knot]

Just randomly catching shots

[crude ermine]

And this also adds as a reason to never play intoxicated

Because my brain did not register the beeping

[frank basin]

I born poor Southeast Asia still poor live in American apartment never have own houses for 9 year.

[muted knot]

American dream baby

[frank basin]

Is not dream but a nightmare

Too many moronic running around on media

Politik

[crude ermine]

Or at least heavily intoxicated

[serene sage]

frfr? cause my story is oddly similar

[frank basin]

What’s your dreamer?

[muted knot]

I'm still convinced that poxbursters beeps sometimes are just way too hard to hear, but that could also be a playing while intoxicated thing

[tranquil bronze]

Are grimoires just... I dunno... a drug or something? Everyone just keep pickign them up!

[serene sage]

oh y'know, find someone, settle down, get a small/medium sized house, retire at 40

that's the dream, no?

[umbral scaffold]

Me doing well with the commando build (weak-point knife/non-quick reload revolver) on heresy or higher, no extra wounds:

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-fight-kick-anime-gif-6061415

[crude ermine]

Oh no they definitely can be too hard to hear

It's why I turned off my music and lowered a lot of volume

Other than the sfx

[frank basin]

I don’t think so since I got citizenship early, be my parent thanking Mr T reduce processing naturalization

[crude ermine]

Or sometimes they'll just be ninjas

[umbral scaffold]

then i'm unqiue because i can hear them just fine.

[paper brook]

best blessings for Accatran pistol?

Is it any good?

[crude ermine]

I was talking through personal experience (hearing issues), no doubt it would be fine to hear

[umbral scaffold]

Oh.

[crude ermine]

Yeah, no worries tho

[muted knot]

I was talking about playing this game while violently high

[crude ermine]

Proud of this knife zel

Not often you see a non bleed knife in pubs

I think I told him he can change Crit to something else

[shut flax]

After switching to 3 +3 stamina curios, I kinda don't wanna go back. I never had to worry about running out of stamina.

[crude ermine]

That's a first

[shut flax]

I gave it a shot because someone mentioned it and it's actually really fun

[torpid pier]

for chain weapons is it advised to use thunderous for brittle? meaning does the multiple ticks with special rev proc brittle for each tick?

if it does i feel that would be goated on chaxe mk IV for light attacks since it ticks multiple times

so if it gives brittle on each tick that would be amazing

[elfin stump]

My friend considers everyone running a chaxe to be intentionally throwing

[torpid pier]

goddamn

[muted knot]

Well he is just wrong with that

[crude ermine]

Doesn't understand the chaxe grindset

[umbral scaffold]

Víctor Saltopiro

[paper furnace]

skill issue

chain axe is a little cope compared to the top 3 weapons but it'sfar from the worst.

[fierce steeple]

any chain weapon is pretty good since the last patch

bloodletter go brrrrrrrrrr

[umbral scaffold]

Your friend doesn't know

😔

The Emperor has not blessed him with knowledge yet

[fading grove]

Zealot on her own when the other two of us went down rescuing the last.... "Why are we so split up?" she asks. JFC

[elfin stump]

He definitely didn't bless him with proficient chaxe users in his games

[elfin stump]

Best thing I learned as a marksman vet is to hug my team at all times unless I feel like losing a game

[shut flax]

I love taunt ogryns, but dang they sure like getting in the way

[elfin stump]

Big boys too big can't see shit

I double this

[elder dawn]

can i save this

do you want headhunter or surgical

[trim steppe]

do groaner damage to maniac and no respite to deadly accurate

you want headhunter generally

well, both are good. i think surgical is better on the 7 but hh is still good

[elder dawn]

i've got this guy that i've been using but that one has higher stability lol

o i ahve deadly accurate 4 and didn't even notice

sicko

[trim steppe]

your current one is probably better tbh, tho the new one could slap on Deadly Accurate T4

[elder dawn]

i'll try out HH over surgical

[brazen meadow]

What should I change on this? Ive never used it before today but its a fun as hell weapon and now I wanna make it better

[autumn wave]

Stamina to flak and thrust to decimator

[brazen meadow]

Ty homie

[paper furnace]

shame the 380 isnt the New And Improved Shovels

[frank ether]

thats a good shovel

change stamina to flak or something

then you can either keep it or swap thrust to uncanny

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

Just stamina is the thing that really needs to go

Shame it's not the new shovel

Been liking the new shovel with thrust

[brazen meadow]

Which is the new >

[torpid pier]

they really should make u hit the bulwark's legs and exposed small areas

feel more satisfying

than invisible shield

[brazen meadow]

'cuz I literally just did a mission and got this one too now

[serene sage]

I'm killing like 250 ish elites/specialists every game

did they bump up the spawn or what's going on

[umbral scaffold]

Get the mk vii if you can. Same movement set as the standard issue and has the same alternate attack as the mk3

[deft bobcat]

Anyone has a nice bolter suggestion?

[umbral scaffold]

I didn’t like the mk3 thought it just wasn’t my thing but the mk 7 is a great fit if you’re used to running standard issue

[serene sage]

yeah what do you need?

[deft bobcat]

Something all rounder.

I have for perks Cara and Maniac, blessings are Glory hunter and Shattering impact

[serene sage]

I would suggest Surgical + Shattering on your gun

this build throws a lot of nades, hand them out like candies

if you want to invest to Pinning Fire + Surgical instead of Surgical + Shattering, nades will als immediately buff your damage

since any stagger counts

[deft bobcat]

Possible to change the keynodes for other perks? Also, is the Chainsword with bolter aight?

[serene sage]

yeah

you can go keystone less tbh

so you can get reload stuff

drop keystone for reload and rending strikes would be cool, or the 10% melee node

[deft bobcat]

My old tree was fire team, krak, and all 3 bottom

[serene sage]

fire team is honestly cool, I would not recommend krak though

just give tinkered nade a try and throw 2 at a time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1192748071528955904/nade.webm?ex=65aa3434&is=6597bf34&hm=28f96b4a488394c2333c372a582c12e3cd37f0c8c7b211abe0daea4c93052908&

[deft bobcat]

Ah. Cool. How bout cqb killzone?

[serene sage]

you can do stuff like that with tinkered nade

it's nice

[serene sage]

it's cool, too
if you are not used to bolter though I would recommend some reload speed

but CQC is neat

[deft bobcat]

I use bolter ever scince i unlocked it heh. The reload speed is great for cqc. Tho the powersword and chainsword is always a hard decision for meh

Plus i tend to be in melee during hordes

[lilac jungle]

best blessings for a Combat Axe?

[serene sage]

think but are cool, powersword will probably be better than chainsword if you have Power Cycler 4

[serene sage]

Brutal Momentum + Headtaker

there are not a lot of deviatios for CAxe tbh

[lilac jungle]

You dont even need tinker, Shredders do just fine at staggering enemies.

[serene sage]

2 is to kill in a large AOE

[sick oak]

lacerate for uncanny?

[serene sage]

stagger is cool with just 1 but tinkered nade lets you use it for damage

i prefer it that way tbh

[lilac jungle]

The damage is still lame with tinket though, and it lets you save 2 talent points

[serene sage]

what do you mean?

2 tinkered nade will kill everything that is not ogryns, maulers, mutants, and scab ragers

3 will kill everything that is not ogryns and mutants

and the AOE from tinkered is massive

[lilac jungle]

Maulers are still alive, unless they are standing on the grenade

[serene sage]

well 2 killing every ragers and below

is still a lot of damage

[ocean viper]

the main purpose of shredder is to build space anyway

you just throw them on the floor then shoot whatever is still alive

[lilac jungle]

exactky

*exactly

[serene sage]

well you can still do that

[severe adder]

do you get less rewards if you extract without all 4 players

[frank basin]

No

[lilac jungle]

I mean toss 2 if you need, but the extra range and damage

[frank basin]

You get reward fully regardless someone died

[severe adder]

are any mods banable?

like ive seen some that give health

and some scoreboard one