veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

And do an overhead 24/7

[crude ermine]

Just bait, dodge, smack repeat

[serene sage]

Yep

[umbral scaffold]

Just need to bait him

Yeah

It is yeah

Chaos Spawn and Ogryn are actually incredibly low damage

[serene sage]

Plogryn biggest threat is just knocking you off the map

[crude ermine]

Least it ain't as slow as fighting it with a spear and shield

[umbral scaffold]

But they will throw you off hard

[serene sage]

I guess sometimes they can corner you as well

And body block

[umbral scaffold]

So their danger is if they corner you
Or if they split you and toss you to a gunner squad

Yeah

[crude ermine]

That's just unfortunate positioning if so

[umbral scaffold]

Apart from that they're lowish threat apart from if you're fighting them at a bridge

Then they can just randomly kill someone by accident lul

[crude ermine]

I like killing them with doors

[pine snow]

ninja mutie grabbing me and flinging me into a poxburster or flamer:

[crude ermine]

If I don't feel like fighting them

[umbral scaffold]

My favorite is the tag team of the mutant grabbing me just as bomber man or flamer girl gets going

The instant delete

[topaz pebble]

Oh speaking of

[crude ermine]

Fucking hate mutants

[topaz pebble]

I love how you still can get hit when inside a beast

[crude ermine]

Too many times do they always CHOOSE to stop in bomber flames

[crude ermine]

What

[topaz pebble]

Very fub gameplay

[umbral scaffold]

Right

[topaz pebble]

Yeah, if you get vored and a teammate keeps baiting tail slam

You will die

[pine snow]

i swear im the only person in my team that sees bombers and flamers

[topaz pebble]

VERY fast

Same withfire

[umbral scaffold]

Ye lol

[crude ermine]

Yeah that's fatshark at its finest

[umbral scaffold]

Fire instakills you in the BoN

Meanwhile the BoN is like

[pine snow]

this is fine

[umbral scaffold]

Mmm I BETTER ROLL AROUND IN THE FLAMES

[serene sage]

I know VoC is really strong
but Exec Stance highlighting is quite the QoL

[umbral scaffold]

YOU THINK THE PLAYER IS ENJOYING THIS TOO MMM YES

[serene sage]

I played VoC for so long, coming back to ES is such a weird feeling

[crude ermine]

Wish I could grab a giant fucking saltshaker and pour it on that bastard

[serene sage]

like everything is so ... nice

[pine snow]

im addicted to voc\

[serene sage]

you can see

you can shoot

[crude ermine]

I dont care if it's a gastropod or not it's close enough

[serene sage]

your ult last forever

I think taking Tactical Awareness is bait

[spice wadi]

pursue the yellow men

[pine snow]

but voc and then pull out psword and start hacking 😦

[shut flax]

It's so hard to go back to ES. VOC just provides so much utility.

[topaz pebble]

VoC is the best ability in the game IMO

[crude ermine]

I like it when running helbore

[topaz pebble]

Like, actually cannot think of a better ult

[crude ermine]

But that's it

[umbral scaffold]

My run a while ago just ended cos a mutant actually tossed me to another mutant

[pine snow]

also the voice li nes are just

[umbral scaffold]

Who held me in fire

Absolutely awful lol

[shut flax]

If the Zealot's equivalent didn't require them to put away their weapons, I'm sure that would win out.

[crude ermine]

Game of catch with the boy they were doing

Father son bonding

[spice wadi]

I like when the specials coordinate

[topaz pebble]

I love cutthroat vet for this exact reason, best ult lines in the game

[spice wadi]

makes u feel like ur fighting intelligent enemies

[shut flax]

I hope VOC doesn't lock vets into a weapon eventually.

[crude ermine]

I fucking don't

[umbral scaffold]

lmao I bet

[terse idol]

It has a different niche

[spice wadi]

I will hold you in fire until u die

[umbral scaffold]

It was wholesome for sure

[crude ermine]

Don't want trapper and her 5th boyfriend to spew me with his firey pissgun

[pine snow]

trapper + bomber:

team somehow does not notice the two behind them

everyone then dies

[topaz pebble]

Bomber + anyfuckingbody

I hate them

[shut flax]

I mean, if you run Born Leader with both ET and CK you can kinda get away with not using VOC

[umbral scaffold]

My 2nd favorite combo

Is the bomber spam

[crude ermine]

Least hounds get knocked off

Wait no that's flamer

Does it even matter you're dead anyway

[umbral scaffold]

Just far enough from each other to explode 1 by 1

[serene sage]

I run triple toughness regen for ExecStance

i guess Quadruple

[umbral scaffold]

But close enough that they'll just repeatedly jump on you over and over

[spice wadi]

I fkn love

[serene sage]

it's really nice

[spice wadi]

unironically

when I see a guy get netted

and then the bomber grenade bounces off their prone body

[serene sage]

🤨

[crude ermine]

Sick individual

[spice wadi]

It's like watching a guy get wiped out in a japanese gameshow

[pine snow]

[shut flax]

I can see it working with the columnus mk V. Might give it a shot.

[umbral scaffold]

Speaking of trappers lol
Reddit keeps telling people not to unnet people

[crude ermine]

I got downed by a bomber nade once

Like

Direct impact of it

Not the flames

[umbral scaffold]

"kill everything first then unnet them"

[crude ermine]

I just got free from a BON

[umbral scaffold]

Actually the worst advice I've ever seen

[spice wadi]

ur character in game briefly had your real life toughness

[umbral scaffold]

Net is like half a second

[spice wadi]

you got BEANED

[umbral scaffold]

Why would you not do it and let them get a wound

[crude ermine]

Saw the nade hit my face and I fucking fell over

[wanton dawn]

exec stance is actually really strong on autogun build, specifically columnus iag and agri brauto

[serene sage]

the answer is it depends tbh

[spice wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/asian-girl-brick-brick-throw-kill-gif-25574003

[serene sage]

saying always net or always kill is dumb

use your judgement in a case by case basis

[topaz pebble]

Like 9/10 its better to just unnet

But if im about to get assblasted

[serene sage]

agri shotty

[spice wadi]

In my experience trying to unnet someone instantly summons a mutie to grab me and throw me away from the netted guy

[umbral scaffold]

90% of the time the net is always right though
Net is basically instant apart from the fact it pulls someone out

[topaz pebble]

Im not unnetting you until im safe

[spice wadi]

magical sorcery

[shut flax]

It's situational. If they're thrown into the fray by a mutant and then netted four miles away from your current position, sure. Don't kill the team trying to save them.

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[crude ermine]

Muties always show up at the most inconvenient

[shut flax]

If they're at your feet, sure.

[crude ermine]

They're like the IRS

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I am meta slave

[crude ermine]

Just not as dangerous

[serene sage]

ew

[pine snow]

i am plasma addict

[topaz pebble]

Im a meta(hellbore) slave

[umbral scaffold]

Nah reddit also says when they're right in front of you
They unironically think that it takes as long as a revive

Which is an interesting lie

[crude ermine]

Addicted to helbore and revolver

[topaz pebble]

MY BROTHER

[shut flax]

It's literally less than a second

[serene sage]

I don't revive teammates so I can top frag and flame them for sucking

[pine snow]

only problem with plasma is im too used to being able to get careless with charge bc of venting shriek on psyker

[serene sage]

[shut flax]

Pull out the melee and pull em up

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah
It's why I get annoyed af lmao

[pine snow]

so sometimes i just explode bc im like yeah ill be fine

[serene sage]

how else would I do 800k damage in a game?

[umbral scaffold]

There's videos on reddit of someone getting netted

And falls next to someone

[topaz pebble]

By bayonetting things with the hellbore

[umbral scaffold]

And the guy in the video takes like 20 seconds to kill everyone else first

[topaz pebble]

Well not anymore, but you can still get close

[serene sage]

based scoreboard stat padder

[umbral scaffold]

If only it could block

Then it would be the best melee weapon

[pine snow]

BAYONET PARRY

[shut flax]

Some people struggle to context switch. It's fine, but then they tell others to do it.

Kind of a problem.

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[topaz pebble]

It staggers dumb hard

Like, comically hard

[spice wadi]

there are some teams where I know that if I get netted or downed

the wipe will be instant

like

bang bang bang

everyone else

also dead

[crude ermine]

I would sacrifice all my plasteel because that would be funny

Or dockets

[spice wadi]

You also willingly eat gas station sushi

bad example person

[crude ermine]

I WAS STARVING

12 HOURS

[topaz pebble]

What gas station sells sushi

I have yet to see one

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-in-bed-bed-gif-15044480

POV: you have been netted for 0.001 seconds and your team has been distracted for 0.01 seconds

[umbral scaffold]

Can't trust pubs

[shut flax]

I would trust gas station chicken before I trust gas station sushi

and I've eaten some bad sushi before

[spice wadi]

some EU convenience stores have ready made meals

[topaz pebble]

Yeah all the ones I've been to just sell junk food basically

Outside of like, WaWa gas stations

[serene sage]

Have you seen Wisconsin gas stations bro

They sell a 5 gallon vodka bottle from like $5

That's some shit

[shut flax]

I present to you: Buc-ees.

[pine snow]

all the gas stations ive been to just have a shit ton of junk food, sometimes a straight up pizza hut, and a metric ton of random drinks

[serene sage]

'Murica

[shut flax]

If you pub at high levels, unfortunately you gotta be ready to pubstomp. Either gotta build full babysitter, or full carry. Anything in between is up in the air.

[spice wadi]

I know

I have deep fried my neurons to the point where I am only awake joining soloqueue quickplays in mid-match

and loading into an orange screen full of fire with a psyker falling through the map

[serene sage]

Is there a way to quick play but with HISTG/Maelstrom only?

[shut flax]

Diving feet first into a losing match does have a certain charm to it

[serene sage]

Normal HI is boring for me

[spice wadi]

you just soloqueue auric and hope you get lucky

[serene sage]

And I can't do dark or vent purge cause eye no likey

[spice wadi]

sometimes the game jumpscares you with eyestrain mode

true

unfortunately

soloqueueing is a good way to learn psyker

cos if you ever fuck up your perils

u wipe

u will fail the escort mission

[humble loom]

is there any great builds?? that can go damned??

[shut flax]

Soloqueueing auric is the embodiment of "losing is fun". It has a charm to it, but the moment someone gets salty is ruins the illusion

[umbral scaffold]

Yep

[crude ermine]

Ater a while the fun where's off and I just go play Baldur's

[junior haven]

The salt fuels me to prove they ain't shit.

[spice wadi]

I like the occasional screaming eastern european

[spice wadi]

Baldur's what

[crude ermine]

3 gates

[serene sage]

Which gun do you like, there are plenty of builds that can go Damn, it depends on your preferences and skill

[junior haven]

Baldur's Basics.

[crude ermine]

Then get annoyed over my unfortunate luck of the dice

Seriously this die hates me

[spice wadi]

you roll badly on dex and get crushed on the way to burger king

[shut flax]

"What do you mean I can't use the fuckin mirror"

[umbral scaffold]

Did you turn karmic dice off

[crude ermine]

What's that

[humble loom]

its one of the auto guns and an axe im not in front of the game atm

[crude ermine]

DON'T FACEPALM ME MITTENS

[umbral scaffold]

Karmic dice is basically a gameplay toggle where it stops you from failing or succeeding too many times in a row

[crude ermine]

Ah

I'll have to check

[umbral scaffold]

That way you don't get 9 misses at.95% hit

[shut flax]

Columnus mk V, Onslaught, middle tree into rending

[umbral scaffold]

Keep it on so you don't get too many salty bad rolls in a row

[shut flax]

Keep it off for the meme

[topaz pebble]

BG3, truly highlights my terrible luck

[shut flax]

Xcom mode

[topaz pebble]

Cooks up a build for like, 30+ AC

[serene sage]

XCOM cheats

But in your favor

[topaz pebble]

Enemies consistently roll dumb 18+

[junior haven]

Turn it on or off when the dice doesn't roll in whichever way you want. Constantly flip the switch.

[shut flax]

Install a mod that creates worse luck for an accurate DND session.

[umbral scaffold]

Fire emblem does it too

Game designers realized that people saw 50%

[shut flax]

Frederick is the cheat.

[umbral scaffold]

And expected to win all the time on 50%

[umbral scaffold]

Jagens are mega cheats yes-

But it's just funny how they algorithmed it is all

players think 80% is more like 99%

so true calculated value of 80% is more like 90%

Interesting way they obfuscated the calcs

[shut flax]

That's actually really funny tbh

Makes sense. A LOT of user peripheries are skewed in favor of the average person.

[umbral scaffold]

Yup
So the remembered fire emblem games use that system ( called 2 RN, where it compares X chance to hit and averages a Y and Z roll as your true chance to hit )

[shut flax]

Looking into it, apparently it was a point of contention when it was introduced.

[umbral scaffold]

yep
Veterans of the OG system got used to 1 RN ( which is just roll 1 number ) and viewed it as "too casual friendly"

[serene sage]

I play FE for the dating sim

that's about it

the gameplay loop is a little too much focus on getting one unit to an extremely high level and solo the map

which imo is boring

[shut flax]

Depending on how you look at it, it almost is as it turns genuine chance into strategy that can be planned on.
Granted, I enjoy 2RN but I enjoy games that use 1RN as well.

I believe Zomboid uses 1RN + %resistance, but I could be wrong

[serene sage]

there's also the pseudo random in Warcraft

where crit chance increase if don't crit

until you do then the increased amout resets to 0

[shut flax]

Yep. Psuedo random is the norm for user-focused design. Very few games use true random (Fear and Hunger)

[umbral scaffold]

ye

[serene sage]

so there used to be crit baiting where people purposefully attack unimportant targets before engagements so they have higher crit chance

[umbral scaffold]

cos it gets frustrating af at times

personally I enjoy both styles anyway

[umbral scaffold]

mmm I can hear the Orc Blademaster drooling after he hasn't crit multiple times

and off to gank my Archmage with his almost guaranteed windwalk crit

[serene sage]

oh memories

i remember the OG Dota, where Zeus' model is just Muradin in his ult

[umbral scaffold]

Zeus players be like

im gonna killsteal with my ult uheuheheueuh

[serene sage]

kinda random but what happened to payday 3 lmao

[umbral scaffold]

awful release

as in it didn't work

kek

[crude ermine]

That's unfortunate

[umbral scaffold]

and there was drama since they sponsored youtubers like Angry Joe and Actman to an event

and both of them were basically like "Man this game is the best game ever I love it I'm having so much fun."
and then it released that way

[junior needle]

Just don't lose

[hasty reef]

[wary galleon]

show me ya penance points or what ever the hell its called

[gusty bison]

How awful

[shut flax]

It is. Payday 3 is genuinely fun. Granted, Payday 2 released in a similar state.

[raw steppe]

tbh main thing stopping me from playing

is the godawful progression system

i took one look at that shit

and was like nope

[shut flax]

Yeahhh. From levels 60-100 it was a grindfest.

[raw steppe]

and you have to do bullshit grind too

afaik

since it's challenge based

[shut flax]

They technically added heist-completion XP gains, but they're fairly small in comparison

For example, a 5 minute dirty ice run gets you 30 XP.

[raw steppe]

ye

i'll just wait until

they either completely rework the system

or game dies

[shut flax]

I think that's the best idea. They mentioned that they were gonna give it an overhaul.

[raw steppe]

the skill tree system also looks kinda boring

[shut flax]

They already fixed how armor drops worked, so I have high hopes that they're listening to the players.

[raw steppe]

at least there's not as much interactivity

compared to pd2

[shut flax]

To be fair, everyone ran a variation of three different builds in PD2

[raw steppe]

did they?

which 3?

[shut flax]

Full crit, swan song, or infinite armor.

A few did joker builds, but they really tapered off over overkill

[raw steppe]

hmm yeah I think we must've been playing different games

cuz when I played it back like 3 months ago

jokers are very worth

[shut flax]

Ohhhh nice. Yeah it's been a minute since I last launched PD2 so that's also a factor

[raw steppe]

1 if you just need the health boost, 2 if you want

and there's also a lot more sniper support

via the pierce thing

and berserk

[shut flax]

Hmmm I might have to pick up PD2 while PD3 gets fixed

I'm kinda getting burned out waiting for zomboid build 42 anyhow

[raw steppe]

ye I did every single mission on stealth

on dw

that was fun

[shut flax]

Sounds like it. I never did solo, but I prolly should for stealth runs.

[serene sage]

what's the number on back 4 blood right now? can someone check steamdb?

[raw steppe]

ded

[shut flax]

Speaking of low numbers

[raw steppe]

b4b is just a bad game lol

that's why they dropped support for it

there's just no saving it

[shut flax]

B4B had Starbound syndrome. It tried to be something it wasn't and got burned for it.

[raw steppe]

it's not like dt which had a shit launch but great core gameplay

[serene sage]

honestly, it got better later on when they finally figured out what to do with the card system

[raw steppe]

what did they change

imo the card system should've just been a deck that you draw from randomly; rather than just a customizable skill tree

i think that would've make it way more fun

[serene sage]

back then you unlock cards as you go along, so "combo" decks feel horrible to play (as in decks that needs multiple cards to function well)

now you have all your deck at the beginning, basically your deck is just a way of doing loadouts

and you have burn cards for each mission

[raw steppe]

ye i dont like that lol

i would've preferred that they kept your "loadout" as a separate system

and used the card system as like

a semi-randomizer

but the main problem is the special design imo

[serene sage]

well now it's just a loudout

[lofty lintel]

Starbound is fire

[serene sage]

and I think it's actually really fun

[raw steppe]

special design is ass

[serene sage]

the deck loudouts that is, tons of variety

[raw steppe]

birds especially

[serene sage]

too bad they figured it out too late

[lofty lintel]

Where did it get burned its just space terraria

[shut flax]

It's fun, just the idea that it tried to be "Terraria in Space" killed it from a marketing standpoint.

[serene sage]

also there's not enough variety

[raw steppe]

they made a design decision to add stuff that made you NOT want to shoot stuff in a zombie game

[lofty lintel]

I like to think of them as different games

In the same genre

[raw steppe]

it's insane lol

[shut flax]

They are different games, which is the problem.

[serene sage]

like what?

[raw steppe]

birds

[serene sage]

just nade them

[raw steppe]

ofc

but half the time

[shut flax]

People go in expecting Terraria, get disappointed, and leave Starbound because, fundamentally, they are different games.

[raw steppe]

you're shooting into the distance

and they pop

randomly

[lofty lintel]

I dont see the problem in it it was still an extremely succesful game

[serene sage]

honestly I like the gunplay and I don't mind that mechanic

it's also really easy though

[shut flax]

It was doomed to fall short of Terraria, is all I'm saying.

[serene sage]

cause you have nearly unlimited ammo

[lofty lintel]

Oh well

Yeah

[serene sage]

and AI is dumb

[raw steppe]

ye

on the harder difficulties

they just give everything 32054u93250328502 health

[lofty lintel]

I cant really argue with that its true

[raw steppe]

so you're shooting trash zombies

[serene sage]

nah the game is too easy

[raw steppe]

for like... ages

[serene sage]

idk when you played

[raw steppe]

it is

i never said it was hard lol

it was just

boring

[lofty lintel]

What game are you talking about

[raw steppe]

because for example

[serene sage]

Back 4 Blood

[raw steppe]

you had that big boss that can't go through doors

[serene sage]

[raw steppe]

and you end up shooting him for like 2 minutes

[lofty lintel]

I never played it

[serene sage]

oh yeah

[raw steppe]

to kill him

it's ass

[shut flax]

It's unfortunate. There's a few case studies on it, and the dangers of comparing a new IP to an existing, successful, one. B4B fell into this category as well.

[lofty lintel]

I saw the launch reviews and stuck to l4d2

[raw steppe]

bad game

[lofty lintel]

Yeah didnt catch my attention

[serene sage]

I think B4B suffered from a balance and replayability problem

[shut flax]

That too

[lofty lintel]

I was kinda hyped my friends were saying itd be like left for dead 3

My balls

[serene sage]

the shooting itself is totally fine

[lofty lintel]

😭

[raw steppe]

core special design was also just bad

none of the specials in b4b were memorable

[lofty lintel]

I watched some gameplay it looked pretty bland

[shut flax]

A volatile director also kinda killed the game

[serene sage]

yeah the specials were all bland

[raw steppe]

they were all just boring and bland

[shut flax]

It wasn't as "fair" as L4D was.

I say that loosely, because B4B either made it a cakewalk or spammed whatever names the specials are to an unbearable degree.

[serene sage]

imagine Darktide with only buster (that is not dangerous at all), maulers, and gunners

that's all of B4B specials

[raw steppe]

also maulers only take dmg if you hit their left arm

rest of their body is carapace

[serene sage]

sometimes their left arm is covered with bulwark shield

so you can't damage those either until you knock it off

[shut flax]

Oh, there's also a DH in the game that just eats someone and runs.

[raw steppe]

it's super trash though

it doesn't even attack you

it just eats someone and runs and you just kill it

[shut flax]

Tru

[raw steppe]

idk i just hate

the special design

[delicate rivet]

What perks/blessings are the best for Plasma Gun? Also what should be the dump stat?

[raw steppe]

in that game

[shut flax]

It's less than generic. It's lifeless.

[raw steppe]

i especially hate

birds and the screamers

[lofty lintel]

Plasma gun doesnt have to have a dumpstat

[raw steppe]

the ones that hide behind walls

[lofty lintel]

Ammo but even then it shouldnt be below 65%

[raw steppe]

it just makes a zombie horde shooter less fun

[serene sage]

for the longest time I was hoping for a game like B4B because it was one of those "mediocre" games that I unironically like

[lofty lintel]

I dare to say 70

[raw steppe]

to constantly be afraid of shooting

[serene sage]

I think you're exaggerating this tbh

[lofty lintel]

Perk wise plasma likes unarmoured carapace unyielding flak and maniac

[shut flax]

Certified Vanquish moment

[lofty lintel]

Then for blessings gets hot and volatile/blaze away

[serene sage]

birds weren't that big of a deal cause hordes in the game is piss easy

[raw steppe]

prob power creeped then

lol

hordes were pretty hard on first mission iirc

before you had like 3-4 cards

[shut flax]

At launch when nobody had good builds, it was kinda rough

[raw steppe]

once you got a few cards going it was really easy

[delicate rivet]

I mean if i have a choice, i would want everything to be above 70% but something gotta give ya kno

[serene sage]

that's the thing, now you have every cards at start, they adjust the game spawn/health accordingly

it's actually fun

but too little too late

[raw steppe]

ye too bad it's dead

[lofty lintel]

Theres no dumpstat with the plasma unfortunately

[shut flax]

Not to mention the BETA was nearly impossible to beat, since it was balanced around cards that people had no access to.

[raw steppe]

if you have friends i do recommend wwz: aftermath

[shut flax]

It technically was doable, but you needed to use the turrets at the end because there were too many specials that spawned and one person had to martyr themselves to get the boat.

[raw steppe]

as a good zombie horde shooter

[delicate rivet]

Thanks

[raw steppe]

it has some well executed ideas

[serene sage]

the new acts were also great. there is a museum section that's unironically really fucking fun
what could have been if they knew what to do with difficulty balancing and the card system

sad

[raw steppe]

and is a solid 7/10

worth playing and worth a bit of fun

[lofty lintel]

Play starship troopers extermination

[shut flax]

I'd compare WWZ to Division. If you like one, you'll like the other.

[raw steppe]

oh yeah division is fun as well

[serene sage]

it looks barebone af ngl

[lofty lintel]

Because it is

[raw steppe]

wish div had more build variety

though

[lofty lintel]

Its in EA

[delicate rivet]

I got a +10% Elites from Hadron, should i put on a +25% Carapace?

[raw steppe]

division is just... strikers

[lofty lintel]

10% elites is fine

[raw steppe]

😛

at least for legendary

[lofty lintel]

If you cant change it

[serene sage]

i thought division is dead

[lofty lintel]

No

[raw steppe]

nah it's getting updates

the core gameplay is good

[shut flax]

I think it's barely alive, but alive nonetheless.

[serene sage]

really? good for them

[delicate rivet]

I mean to go along w the +10% Elite, what should i use

[shut flax]

Just got a PC port too.

[lofty lintel]

I still play div 2 to scratch the itch from time to tine

Time

[raw steppe]

and the endgame systems are amazing

i actually really like

the watch

[lofty lintel]

Whatever you want honestly

[raw steppe]

and proficiency

and gear optimization

fatshark could learn a few things

[shut flax]

Idk. I started playing Stalker: GAMMA to scratch that itch that the division tried to.

[raw steppe]

from division2 tbh

[shut flax]

True survival vs. percieved survival.

[lofty lintel]

Division 2 is actually really good i like shooting bullet sponges

[serene sage]

somehow, L4D2 is still king among the likes of Darktide, Payday 2, B4B, etc. how did they do it

i know the $2 price tag on sale helps

[lofty lintel]

Its satisfying seeing your build do big numbers on an enemy with a gazillion hp

[raw steppe]

good core gameplay

[shut flax]

Darktide still has some ways to go. I'd put Vermintide 2 up on that list.

[serene sage]

but like the sheer consistency of the playerbase

[raw steppe]

that's the main thing

[serene sage]

outside sales

[serene sage]

many other games have good core gameplay, too

[delicate rivet]

Plasma is just that good for Perks huh, guess its the blessings that i need to take a further look on. I like Gets Hot and Blaze Away

[raw steppe]

it's the same reason darktide survived when a game like b4b didn't

[dire olive]

Oh don't forget about the trapper that shoots you with nigh hitscan from across the map with no audio cue

[lofty lintel]

I grew up with l4d2 so im biased when i say its the best

[raw steppe]

b4b actually got way more post-laucnh support

[lofty lintel]

But.. it might actually be the best

[shut flax]

Halo Infinite has a good core, but launched with horrid everything else.

[raw steppe]

than most other games

[shut flax]

But even that is still alive.

[raw steppe]

yep

[lofty lintel]

Eugh

[shut flax]

(and fun)

[lofty lintel]

Halo infinite

[raw steppe]

halo infinite is good now iirc?

[lofty lintel]

Its aight

[raw steppe]

cuz core is good

just the systems and barebones launch

was ass

[shut flax]

Yeah! They fixed the networking and it's really fun in 8v8.

12v12 is infuriating, and 4v4 is sweaty. 8v8 is the perfect sweet spot.

[delicate rivet]

King how? In terms of player numbers or? Because i played every horde shooter there is and nothing beats Darktide’s moment to moment gameplay

[serene sage]

player number yeah

[lofty lintel]

Yeah everything else is preference lol

Like with every videogame eve

Ever

[raw steppe]

same thing with DRG, people always praise it cuz they have a really good monetization + communicative dev team

but the gameplay is miles behind

darktide

in terms of how fun it is

[shut flax]

Laughs in Zomboid

[raw steppe]

moment to moment

[lofty lintel]

Its different

[serene sage]

tbh i think DT gameplay is a lot better than L4D2
but you can't say that out loud

[lofty lintel]

Drgs gameplay is extremely fun

[serene sage]

cause L4D2 can't be talked down upon

[lofty lintel]

Darktide has a long way to go still

[shut flax]

I wonder if L4D2 would've survived for this long without mod support.

[raw steppe]

i think it's reasonably fun, but cannot compare to DT at all lol

[dire olive]

DRG is a different beast I'd say

[raw steppe]

DT systems are ass

[delicate rivet]

They do deserve praise for that.. imagine Fatshark has 1/2 of GSG’s communication

[lofty lintel]

Their perception of balancing is ass and the crafting system absolutely sucks ass

[raw steppe]

and their devs have 0 communication

and crafting sucks yes

[shut flax]

DT will eventually get there, going by their track record.

Eventually.

[raw steppe]

but DT has the best gameplay on the market

in this genre

IMO

that's why I'm (still) playing DT

and none of those other games

I previously mentioned

[serene sage]

the price tag and the impression from steam rating don't help

[shut flax]

Buff lasguns. Game fixed.

[raw steppe]

true

but you can't deny right?

[delicate rivet]

My man @raw steppe

[raw steppe]

in this genre

DT is king

in terms of gameplay

[serene sage]

oh yeah absolutely

[stuck gorge]

That was because terrible release tho

[delicate rivet]

Imagine DT’s comestic bundles like DRG’s, one time bundle for all 4 class skins/weapon skins/trinkets

[lofty lintel]

Darktide has 4 big things they need to fix if they want to be king of the genre

Balancing
Communication with the players
Stop the stupid predatory microtransaction system
And rework almost completely the crafting system

Then itll be up there in MY list

[raw steppe]

tbh I think they've done a good job

in the past year

[serene sage]

I have played DT, B4B, RoR2, L4D2, KF2, DRG, etc.
DT is the best, followed closely by RoR2

[raw steppe]

they've fixed a lot of issues

[delicate rivet]

Im fine w the crafting? 🙊

[raw steppe]

there's still a lot to fix obv

but the most glaring issues

have been resolved

[shut flax]

RoR2 lets gooo

[delicate rivet]

Risk of Rain is a horde shooter?

[serene sage]

I have a soft spot for B4B, despite knowing the popular opnion that it sucks
I think B4B has its charm

[dire olive]

I feel like DRG just needs some more Overclocks and Weapons with interesting (but useable) gimmicks to un-stale the gameplay every now and then, and while I like the way they handled their "battle pass" I also kinda feel like they shot themselves in the foot having to grind out content for them

[serene sage]

I guess kinda, I just like listing it
it's a TPS, too

[lofty lintel]

I tune in to drg to do the weekly assignments and thats it

[dire olive]

because the updates before that pass system were generally way more impactful

[raw steppe]

if you have a group of friends I highly recommend WWZ

[lofty lintel]

I love that game tho

They did an amazing job

[raw steppe]

and division2

[lofty lintel]

My only observation is that the seasonal updates have been lacking more and more

[raw steppe]

WWZ is a 7/10, div2 is a 7.5/10 for me; but they're very worth playing

and very fun

[obtuse raft]

I think that's the most frustrating part about it. Fatshark has proven over and over they CAN do things properly but it's only ever the second or third time around.

[delicate rivet]

I am “done” w DRG, have all Overclocks.. i guess Fatshark’s obnoxious crafting has its perks, keeps me playing….

[lofty lintel]

There haevnt been any new weapons/mission types in the oast 1,5 years

[lofty lintel]

Well thats the issue

[shut flax]

Loosely, I'd classify it as such. A roguelite horde shooter. If Warframe classifies as a horde shooter, RoR2 does as well.

[lofty lintel]

Artificial replayability

[serene sage]

at this point I wonder how much of the shop and meta progression stuff is in their control

[lofty lintel]

Its like they dont trust their own game to be fun

I hate it

[raw steppe]

yeah but i'd rather they do stuff like fix mission selector or fix class talents

[serene sage]

my god I wish I can love Warframe

[raw steppe]

than add more missions

[serene sage]

but I can't

the game is too easy

[delicate harbor]

what to do?

[dire olive]

Yeah this is what I mean, literally since the season passes began

[shut flax]

I tried to get into it. There was never any risk/reward. Just reward.

[obtuse raft]

Eh I don't think they can get away blaming everything on tencent or whatever.

[serene sage]

exactly

[shut flax]

Got bland and became a trader to sell rare cards. That also got stale.

[raw steppe]

what do u expect, it's a f2p game about power fantasy

they can't make it hard

otherwise ppl will get mad lol

[shut flax]

I mean, that's what Destiny is as well

[raw steppe]

ye

i hear destiny is struggling now tho

[lofty lintel]

I very honestly think the trash crafting system should be priority

[serene sage]

they can make it slightly challenging maybe?
like at least give me a slight risk of dying?

[lofty lintel]

Then focus on getting people to play the game by adding content

[serene sage]

I guess the bosses are scary if you don't know the movesets

[delicate rivet]

Wait Warframe is easy? Even in the endendgame?

[raw steppe]

the casual playerbase dislike that

they just wanna smash lol

[slow garden]

Ye warframe easy

[lofty lintel]

Because its only a matter of time until the new flesh become veterans in the game and start seeing the issue with the crafting system

Also yes warframe is designed to be eays

[shut flax]

D2 was fucked by its own suits. It's unfortunate, but it may pave the way for some change in gaming, especially with the success of BG3.

[lofty lintel]

Easy

Its a game to fulfill power fantasy

[slow garden]

Fun

But easy

[lofty lintel]

Youre supposed to be the ultimate space ninja killer of galaxies and planets 3000

Thats why people play it and its fun

[serene sage]

does the endgame get more difficult?
im like 15 hours in and I have enough
15 hours of one shotting everything while running around the map with zero risk of dying is too boring

[delicate rivet]

I rmb getting my ass kicked in the horde mode, guess i was badly equipped

[shut flax]

Certified Lenz moment

[serene sage]

im not grinding more for a higher difficult that might or might not exist

[shut flax]

You can also just go Saryn Prime and press one (1) button and kill everything.

[untold mulch]

To my memory

[raw steppe]

i think the endgame does actually get more difficulty if you want it to be, but nobody actually does it

[shut flax]

Wait they nerfed that. Now it's two buttons.

[raw steppe]

because it has less risk/reward

than the easy shit

LOL

[lofty lintel]

No

[serene sage]

well then

[lofty lintel]

Well literally speaking yes

[clever marlin]

in the end it's all the same, clicking at enemies to turn them into numbers

[obtuse raft]

Endgame in Warframe requires you to put in such a ridiculous amount of time it only exists for the extreme nolifers

[slow garden]

Warframe can push you as a player

[shut flax]

Warframe pushes my patience.

[slow garden]

But once you know what your doing there are cheese builds

[serene sage]

im glad I dropped warframe then

[raw steppe]

it was a fun game for a while tho

I remember logging in for 6 months nonstop

to get this pistol

that you get after 180 logins

[lofty lintel]

Warframe is a lab game you gather the materials you craft a nutty build and then you have a big ass sandbox available to see the big numbers

[slow garden]

Tbh I ignore the cheese builds run around with melee and gun

[lofty lintel]

I love it

[raw steppe]

and then played with it for like a week

then quit

LOL

[untold mulch]

Warframe sadly ended killing me with the New War update and just combat being a constant my brain is turned off for the next 10 minutes

[shut flax]

I enjoyed the Eidolon update. It felt nice having something that I couldn't kill immediately.

[obtuse raft]

I had a friend group drag me though like 100 hours of it and I spent the entire time going ok "when do I get to stop being a noob and when does the actually fun part start?"

[shut flax]

Then we learned how to kill it immediately.

[untold mulch]

Dear god the content islands

[lofty lintel]

Building around weps/frames and then seeing it do big dmg puts a smile in my face

I dont know

[slow garden]

Only thing I use my cheese builds for are focus cap

[lofty lintel]

Warframe is fun to me

[untold mulch]

At this point WF is a frankestein of half "this would be fun" ideas with no interaction

[lofty lintel]

I like the aspect of turning your brain off and just have fun

[shut flax]

Certified .4 energy vampire Trinity moment

[lofty lintel]

I already use my brain enough at work and college

[untold mulch]

I swear in the hour 500 it starts being playable

[slow garden]

Its fun, I do wish it had some more difficult modes though

[lofty lintel]

Let me be the most lethal space ninja in the universe for a little while and one shot everything

[slow garden]

I guess there are Archon hunts, but the Archon is...

[raw steppe]

i think i stopped playing warframe when they nerfed my op ash prime build

[shut flax]

Like, it's fun. Some people just need a bit of added stress to have fun.

[raw steppe]

where I just spam 1 button

[shut flax]

Hence why Zomboid is so popular.

[untold mulch]

I have 1k hours or so recorded on steam, I probably wish the last 500-250 didn't exists

[slow garden]

More moderately annoying than challenging

[lofty lintel]

Oh yeah for sure

[raw steppe]

and it auto-targets and kills everything

so sad

[untold mulch]

Mhmmm

[lofty lintel]

Thats why videogames are awesome theres always one videogame thats for somebody

Im not trying to indoctrinate people to play warframe

I just like the game

[delicate rivet]

Oh I remembered my favourite frame, Ash prime, ninja-iest ninja

[lofty lintel]

Others need more difficulty to enjoy a game and its cool

[shut flax]

I will, however, invite more people to play Deadly Premonition 1

[untold mulch]

My fav was Volt until Gauss dropped

[raw steppe]

ye they gutted it in 2018 or so i think

[untold mulch]

SPEEEEEEEEEED

[lofty lintel]

I also find myself wanting to go bald from how hard a game is and for that

I play quasimorph.

[raw steppe]

you used to have master yi ability

where u become invincible and teleport around killing everything

😢

i miss dat

[delicate rivet]

Play Remnant 2 yall

[slow garden]

Warframe's monetization is also pretty fair tbh, have to give them credit for that

[delicate rivet]

Whos master yi?

[raw steppe]

remnant 2 is a very meh game

[obtuse raft]

Zomboid my beloved.

[raw steppe]

it looks amazing

[serene sage]

I WAS IN ALPHA

[light brook]

does Weapon Specialist speed up plasma chargeup?
(also, was plasma pierce nerfed or is it still 100?)

[obtuse raft]

Rabid for build 42

[serene sage]

I like it though

[raw steppe]

but the core fight design i think is not great

[untold mulch]

I remember Defense in the Orokin map

Me with Rhino: "GUYS HIT THE LASER" uses Iron Skin, get a million stacks, become invincible for the next 20 minutes

[shut flax]

Remnant 2 is great. It's a mixed bag online, though.

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

Had some fun, haven't finished it yet but Remnant 2 is cool

[raw steppe]

IMO I think elden ring and dark souls are simply much better designed

in terms of boss fights

[lofty lintel]

Very good

I didnt like the dlc a lot tho

[untold mulch]

I liked Remnant 1 but the boss fights until the dlc were shit

2 is better?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

Its better

[untold mulch]

[delicate rivet]

FromSoft is the King of Boss Fights but i hate how i have to learn by dying

[lofty lintel]

Remnant 2 was awesome

[raw steppe]

2 is better in some ways but worse in others IMO

[shut flax]

Absolutely. DS1 had fantastic level design, and Elden Ring was MASSIVE for what it had. Remnant 2 fills a niche that Dark Souls doesn't fill, in which it randomizes every person's playthrough.

[lofty lintel]

Kept me busy all winter break

[untold mulch]

OOF

[raw steppe]

it's stillw orth playing

if you're a fan of the genre

it's just

not as good

as DS

or ER

[serene sage]

Hot take, Dark Souls map design is garbage

[raw steppe]

and just be aware of it

[lofty lintel]

I did not like elden ring.

[serene sage]

Everything looks so samey

[delicate rivet]

In the end, Horde Shooters are my favourite genre and DT is my fav Horde Shooter

[lofty lintel]

Elden ring is like a ds1 2 and 3 asset flip

[raw steppe]

oh yeah i think remnant's skill tree and map design are a bit better than DS

[untold mulch]

I liked the Eldritch being enemy, power unimaginable

The player: 🤠 Loads repeater rifle, Yee- and I cannot stress this enough -haw

[raw steppe]

but i think in terms of boss design

[lofty lintel]

Remnant 2s map design is chefs kiss

[shut flax]

Post Anor Londo? I can kinda see it.

[delicate rivet]

Wanna turn off brain go Sedition/Uprising, want a challenge go Auric Damn/Maelstrom

[raw steppe]

remnant is very ass

[lofty lintel]

Nerud is actually one of my favorite areas in any game eve

[raw steppe]

the boss design is significantly weaker than other games in the same genre

[serene sage]

Bloodborne is cool

[shut flax]

Remnant doesn't have very good bosses. It has great exploration though.

[raw steppe]

agreed

exploration

[lofty lintel]

They went crazy with n'erud

[raw steppe]

and world is amazing and fun

[serene sage]

Kinda agree. Remnant bosses are boring

[lofty lintel]

I liked the ravager

[serene sage]

But the gunplay is good, it's satisfying to gun down normal enemies

[raw steppe]

I loved the puzzles in the game

[shut flax]

The final boss was also a hot mess.

[lofty lintel]

The final boss was bs

[raw steppe]

oh yeah

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[shadow aurora]

Remnant bosses were really easy except the weird butterfly things on the bridge that was horrible

[raw steppe]

the gunplay is fun

[untold mulch]

OH NO

💀

[delicate rivet]

How do yall rank Rinda/Rodin boss fight?

[untold mulch]

THOSE F

[serene sage]

I got my ass kicked

[delicate rivet]

Omg, glitchy mess… fk that shit

[serene sage]

My take is that it's a really novel and fun concept to try once and never again

[lofty lintel]

But i played the entirety of remnant 2 coop with a friend and it was a very nice experience

[serene sage]

Next to no playability

[lofty lintel]

I beat it 100%

[serene sage]

Imo

[untold mulch]

I think my biggest issue with Remnant was that when I played with a friend, for some reason evne with correctly leveled armor, I was dying to like 2 hits

Meanwhile him in Heavy armor was just W+M1

[lofty lintel]

I did apoc run both duo and solo and uninstalled up until dlc

[old fog]

PEOPLE ARE SO SHIT AT THIS GAME MY GOD

[shut flax]

I did a hardcore run and that was the end of it lol

[delicate rivet]

How do u get replay-ability for a boss fight tho?

[shadow aurora]

I have remnant two i still have yet to play it

[shadow aurora]

Yeah

[serene sage]

Exactly

[shut flax]

APOC was hilariously cheesy with the right build.

[serene sage]

Then again, if you ever played FURI, the entire game is just static boss fights

But it's really replayable

[old fog]

POXBUSTERS ? WHAT IF I SHOOT THEM OR PLAINLY IGNORE THEM

[untold mulch]

I refuse to play Hardcore in Remnant 1 just because the amount of BS that jiust happens

[shut flax]

My biggest issue is that Archon is hidden behind a ton of BS. It's so much fun.

[lofty lintel]

I played throughout apoc switching builds and it was fun

[raw steppe]

i really like that game tbh

cuz they stripped away

[lofty lintel]

The enigma was disgusting though

[shut flax]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[raw steppe]

all of the bullshit

[lofty lintel]

Actual cheese

I never ysed that bs

Used

[raw steppe]

and just focused on what you wanted

[delicate harbor]

Need help. what should I do with this one?

[shut flax]

Handcannon replacing point blank.

[delicate rivet]

Do i go forward to push and let my teammate burst it or do i trust my teammate to push(they never)

[lofty lintel]

Point blank for hand cannon unyielding for maniac

[delicate harbor]

got only handcannon III

[lofty lintel]

Its fine

[shut flax]

That works

[serene sage]

yeah, I beat it like 4 times including Furier mode

[untold mulch]

Pop infiltrate

Leave the area

My strat

Not my karking problem

[delicate rivet]

Corsnakeeeeeeeeee blasted off the map

[raw steppe]

i've been playing risk of rain returns with my friend

and holy shit

it's so fucking hard

[delicate rivet]

Furi sick soundtrack like DT 👍

[shut flax]

If reloading is a big issue for you, you can also sacrifice unyielding for reload speed. You don't really need maniac, as you twoshot them anyway. This isn't optimal, but is does give you more uptime.

[untold mulch]

At this point I am so used to rando's window lickers hitting barrels I always make sure my back has a wall

[old fog]

i'm trying to do the "on overwatch" penance, it fucking SUCKS to have bad teammates

[lofty lintel]

Reload speed is a dead perk on veteran

Because of weapons specialist

[serene sage]

the most satifying moment is when you perfect parry The Hand boss at the end, 8 or 9 parries in a row, then you get to return the favor

it's neat

[lofty lintel]

You can do it solo

[shut flax]

Revolvers specifically. It gives you so much more uptime if you mess up.

[shadow aurora]

Whatre you running?

[raw steppe]

which one is this?

[shut flax]

Everything else, reload is ded

[shadow aurora]

Build makes all the difference

[lofty lintel]

Some awareness is all you need to do on overwatch

[serene sage]

imma play make this right right now

the angel lady got me acting unwise ngl

[raw steppe]

oh

is that the one where you take no damage at all

i did it accidentally

[lofty lintel]

Hp damage

[raw steppe]

without trying

lol

[shut flax]

It just happens naturally if you play on damnation with an average team.

[serene sage]

overwatch is no melee HP loss
untouchable is no HP loss at all

[remote bone]

vent purge, scab only, mostly ranged enemies, executioner's stance

[lofty lintel]

Yea its not really hard to do its just a matter of focus while playing the game

[untold mulch]

I did it accidentally in a T4

[serene sage]

please enable bottom padding for your scoreboard 😔

[untold mulch]

On Overwatch

👀 WHAT THE F-

[shut flax]

I find T4 to be a mixed bag.

[lofty lintel]

T4 is the worst difficulty

[shut flax]

You either do UBER PERFECT runs while leveling, or people just don't know what to do.

[serene sage]

I did Untouchable/On Overwatch on an Auric T5 game

[remote bone]

what's that?

[untold mulch]

T4 3 5 is a mixed bag

[serene sage]

got carried though so not much to brag there

[tiny summit]

I forget what's bottom padding?

[lofty lintel]

Thats where all the ego inflated level 20s are

And they suck ass

[serene sage]

do you see how the row labels gets tabbed in in the bottom?

[lofty lintel]

Just play malice quickplay to level

[raw steppe]

oh man

i just remembered

[serene sage]

bottom padding realigns it to right alighment so you can actually read and compare

[tiny summit]

Lvled my lvl 20 ogryn in damnation

[raw steppe]

doing gears4 coop

with my friend

on insane

and spending like 5 hours

on one boss

but we beat the entire thing in like 9 hours

[remote bone]

can't find the damn thing. which mod menu is it under? :(

I might be illegally blind...

[serene sage]

should be the normal scoreboard one or the plug in

one of the two

not a big deal, just that it looks a lot neater that way

[old fog]

not being able to shoot through ogryns is a pain in my ass too

[remote bone]

am all for it, the cleaner the better. but can't fkin find the damn thing QQ

[shut flax]

tbh I think +penetration should be a node at the very least on Veteran.

[serene sage]

it might be under a different name
i know bottom padding is what it's called for ovenproof
BUT i did use that particular scoreboard plugin before and I remember fixing the tabbing issue

[shut flax]

It feels really bad going from revolver to anything else, with how easy it is to shoot through teammates.

[sharp ember]

might be cool if it was a part of exe stance

don’t want to have to spend a point on it though

not until they do something about ogryn highlight node

[remote bone]

nope, nothing. am only using scoreboard and scoreboard damage, and neither seem to have a setting for it. either I'm really blind or it's not here. and now that you pointed it out I can't unsee it XD

[shut flax]

that would be a good replacement for VOC

a QOL pick vs. utility

the ogryn node could also be given the VOC treatment, in which it could increase the cooldown for +%rending or something. The skill ceiling of the ability is constant uptime, so that could also challenge that. Idk. Would be interesting to me at least.

[raw steppe]

+pen is a very dangerous stat

lotta potential to break the game

[shut flax]

True. Maybe +teammate pen?

[raw steppe]

if it were me I would just give executioners +pen

while it's up

rather than tying it to talents and making it always up

[shut flax]

true

[wary galleon]

weee

[shut flax]

That's a good point. If they really wanted it to be controlled, they could add it to stealth for X seconds

[raw steppe]

I also think that the executioners "targeting X" talents

should also give like +15% damage against that type of enemy

idk lots of things to rework

in the tree

likewise with shredder grenades I think they're too good baseline

the bleed should be moved to a talent on the nade

so you get a +1 talent tax for it

[shut flax]

It far too expensive as it is currently. Do the marks from ES synergize with Focus Target*?

[wary galleon]

if i average the kills in a mission to be around 2500 then it would take me 12 missions just for that last bit.
but i might be wrong, and it needs to be my own kills? can anyone confirm?

[raw steppe]

just play man lol

especially for these types of achievements

[wary galleon]

for sure, just wondering since the game is not very articulate about its mechanics

[delicate rivet]

The Guardsman trinket, nice

[wary galleon]

i think so too. took a while to get it :p

what is your favorite?

[delicate rivet]

Im a basic bitch, i like the =][=

Inquisition

[wary galleon]

the rosette?
do we get it as standard? or was it limited edition? i dont remember and cant find any info on it xd

[delicate rivet]

Damn, u got everything

[wary galleon]

ah not quite, but a good bunch :p

[delicate rivet]

Its standard, just complete “story”

[wary galleon]

ooh

i see

need a couple more to get 100%

worst one is the auric

[delicate rivet]

The fist?

I guess thats the hardest trinket to get, but no one rly notices your trinket but you

[wary galleon]

ah ye fist xd

[delicate rivet]

So i just pick what i like aesthetically

[wary galleon]

yea same i got the rosette on everything lol

only one i like most except the bundle of boolets

that one is neat

[delicate rivet]

+100% Heretic Killing Power (in my head)

God Emperor wills it

[delicate rivet]

How do u get the bundle of boolets

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-death-korps-warhammer40k-imperium-of-man-marching-death-korps-of-krieg-gif-16303826

ah found it

[delicate rivet]

Have u ever seen anyone using the 1,000,000 heretics killed Border? Shits rare

[delicate rivet]

Ahhh

[woeful steeple]

Oi lads, what do I do with this one? Falter to chained hit? Doesn't feel like I need flak to oneshot since everything dies in one non crit headshot

[wary galleon]

ah this one?

want that one

like the red

and the SKOOLS

[delicate rivet]

Yup, beautifulest border in the game

[wary galleon]

i do like my first to the fray. :>

which one are you most proud of ?

[delicate rivet]

Make it a boss killer

[delicate rivet]

I used to use that until i unlocked the 250,000 border

[woeful steeple]

tbh I'm looking for ranged add clear

what would turn it into a boss killer?

[wary galleon]

i would keep the blessings, and change the perk stamina, to maybe flak

[delicate rivet]

Wish we got something for 500,000

[wary galleon]

should be this one no?

though i wonder why the skull hoarder is there too

[delicate rivet]

Yeah but threshold 4 gifts nothing

[wary galleon]

boss? then unyelding and a good build for it :p

[delicate rivet]

You get +5 penance :p

[wary galleon]

tru wonder if it unlocks something idk

[woeful steeple]

will prolly go from stam to maniac so I can oneshot headshot trappers without a crit, and leave a blessing slot open

ty for the assistance

[delicate rivet]

Wait it doesnt one shot headshot trappers now?

[woeful steeple]

not without a crit

if I am close

[delicate rivet]

God damn

[woeful steeple]

will have a go at talents again

[delicate rivet]

Glad i dont have lasguns problems

[wary galleon]

you are not running marksman and the related elite damage talents?

[woeful steeple]

since I do not need no ammo on crits wit hsurvivalist

running focused target

[wary galleon]

especially with free ammo on crit lasgun

[wary galleon]

sounds good, both are good for boss killing

[woeful steeple]

with 0 points in the secondary keystone options since vet tree is so annoying to build around

[delicate rivet]

Top kek

[woeful steeple]

krak it, will swap to shout

[delicate rivet]

Hang on why is that model so sexy as compared to what we have in game? Hmmm

We get an ugly green tint

[wary galleon]

i got your plasma right here ya ninny

[delicate rivet]

Thats..

[shadow aurora]

Nice shotgu- i mean plasma gun. Very cool

[remote bone]

imo replace surgical with the extra dmg on stagger one, and the stamina with dmg vs carapace, and use on knife sneaky vet

[serene bough]

avoid falter at all costs

[woeful steeple]

I already play knife zealot with bleed dashes

[wary galleon]

man really wish weapon costumization was fully implemented, so much cool variations you can do

[woeful steeple]

I have eenough zoomies :D

[shut flax]

"Now lets see Paul Allen's Plasma gun"

[delicate rivet]

Heretical weapon! Chaos spawned!

[woeful steeple]

I don't have many blessings for the helbore so I dunno what the good ones are

is chained hit any good?