veteran-class

[dusty plaza]

Make it into a single target powerhouse

[tender rose]

Gonna put rev it up and bloodthirsty on my chaxe. Not sure what I'm going to do after that...

[strange sparrow]

Rev it up is a troll blessing imo

[dusty plaza]

Rip and tear?

[pliant rain]

would make them op for sure

[dusty plaza]

It would actually be really good if the duration was longer

[slate sleet]

why are grims in the game

[strange sparrow]

Darktide fashion

[slate sleet]

just wiped purely because some monkey picked one up and refused to drop it

[strange sparrow]

(Totally not because VT2)

[dusty plaza]

I don't think it would be very unbalanced since you're trading savagesweep+rampage which makes it cancel hordes

[strange sparrow]

(That have a different reward system)

(And grim only give docket)

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah it’s pretty much a Foldable Shovel tbh

Not like the shovel isn’t busted for its ability to one shot crusher

And the fact you’re investing 2 blessing for it to work well

[terse idol]

They gotta rework grims

[dusty plaza]

Agreed, but it makes it feel like you're trading off, rather than suffering a shitty blessing because you're locked out from switching it

[strange sparrow]

I think people often forget investment should be proportional to how strong weapon is

If I’m having can-opener to make bloodletter super strong

I don’t see a problem

Not like it now clear waves super easy, it just fuck hard against boss and single target

[dusty plaza]

I mean the chainsword isn't in a bad place, it's just got a lot of filler blessings

Like rev it up 😛

Like if rev it up / hit & run had a 4-5 sec duration instead

They would actually be a lot of fun, let you zoom around like a zealot as long as you land a revved up hit now and again

Devastating strike and wrath are also generally just worse versions of savage sweep, so I'm not sure why they're even there

[pliant rain]

If you have power cykler 4 / sunder bromentum sword it’s just not worth using chainsword

[dusty plaza]

Like you can have a 100% chance of triggering ~200% cleave when you actually need it, or a ~20-30% chance of triggering it at random

And only 80%

Non stacking

Or take multiple swings to get the same amount of cleave

Like if wrath was like 75% per hit it would be great. You don't get as much up front, but it climbs much higher

[strange sparrow]

I wish they give rev it up some funny thing

Hitting an enemy speed up rev animation and +dmg

[dusty plaza]

Bloodthirsty is actually ok though. I've run that and it works alright when sawing through gangs of elites

[strange sparrow]

So it reward a playstyle just running around and rev people dead

It’s so stupid thou but it sound fun

[dusty plaza]

Maybe if they combined them into one blessing

[strange sparrow]

Yea, but I usually just punch people dead by then

[dusty plaza]

Like get 2 seconds of speed up after revving, and then 2 seconds after landing a hit

[tender rose]

Rev it up should get the run n gun treatment

[dusty plaza]

Or power cycler. Like if you kill something with a revved up hit, it stays revved up

pair that with bloodthirsy and you could light hit your way through a rager group

[strange sparrow]

Just make a lot of stuff more engaging tbh

Because currently just use the shovel

Shovel is stronger than Chainsword in single target and better CC moveset

[swift narwhal]

Which shovel do you prefer ?

[strange sparrow]

I like the 7 but I haven’t grind enough

[dusty plaza]

I like the 7 and the standard issue the most.

[swift narwhal]

I have still yet to get a good one, i dont Like the Blessing that gives weakspot DMG on push Attacks

[dusty plaza]

Standard Issue with impact blessings allows for some hilarious bullying.

[strange sparrow]

You could use uncanny or BM

[swift narwhal]

Lol yea i have one with those

[dusty plaza]

It's kind of a meme weapon but damn is it fun

[strange sparrow]

Some people use BM but that’s on them

[swift narwhal]

I have uncanny i think as 2nd blessing on it

Push Attacks also Trigger uncanny right ?

[dusty plaza]

Anything that deals damage

[gusty bison]

3 is amazing for obliterating elites

Worse horde clear

[dusty plaza]

Yeah. You could pair it with an autorifle

For horde utility

I feel like 7 is a more well-rounded weapon though, it does good against hordes and elites

[shrewd sierra]

It is finally over 😌

[strange sparrow]

Should had done Psyker 90% monstrosity dmg to experience true pain

[wanton dawn]

Is it really ? Besides having mates ?

[hasty reef]

[shrewd sierra]

I don't play a Psyker (yet) anyway lol

[strange sparrow]

Oh boi do you know how much damage does brain burst does

[hasty reef]

No playing psyker makes me wanna burst my own brain

[terse idol]

Its much easier with the new talents isn't it?

You could get warp charges

[strange sparrow]

Warp charges doesn’t change HOW LONG IS IT TO CHARGE

It only affect your peril generation

It’s super bad

[terse idol]

Coulda sworn there was a talent that made it so you charged it faster....

[wanton dawn]

I mean, the cheese is: darkness modifier + shield ogryn

[strange sparrow]

Also god forbid you bring bot

[wanton dawn]

Its pretty straightforward

[terse idol]

Why would you

[strange sparrow]

Because bot does more damage

[terse idol]

You'd probably want to just bring 3 other doods

[wanton dawn]

so the real difficulty is having friend

[strange sparrow]

Yea sound about right

The real difficulty is actually having pal that willing to sit through 30 minutes of you using brain burst

[strange sparrow]

There is but it’s not guaranteed

[terse idol]

Don't you only need to do it on heresey

[strange sparrow]

3 charges only

[terse idol]

So like 20

[strange sparrow]

I would rather hang myself than farming that achievement tbh

It mean I need to ask all my friend to play Darktide again which suck

[wanton dawn]

I'd rather kms rather than looking for 3 other ppl to endure that

[strange sparrow]

Yes the game suck because my friend got no good blessing

[terse idol]

Just hit the LFR gritty

[strange sparrow]

[wanton dawn]

Though let's be real: If i played psyker long enough I would probably ask

[terse idol]

If I thought the cosmetics were worth it

[strange sparrow]

Oh the cosmetics is pogger

But seriously, you gotta ask

Who the fuck in FS smoked 20 packs of weed

And be like, 90% brain burst on monstrosity is a good challenge

[lime gyro]

Shoulda been there when it was at 100%

[modest sapphire]

That’s basically how you treat it rn. One bullet can throw off the 90%

[lime gyro]

Does it still??

Fatshark moment 😂

[terse idol]

Far as I know it was never 100

[modest sapphire]

Do you still need to do it?

[terse idol]

But yeah the first set of penances were pretty bad

[strange sparrow]

Yes but I’m not into Psyker that much atm

[lime gyro]

During open beta and first launch

[strange sparrow]

Rotating between vet and Zealot to grind the complete x amount of match penance

To be honest, I feel bad for everyone that buy before talent rework

[strange sparrow]

The game is not amazing

[terse idol]

I mean

Debatable

[slate sleet]

old vet was bussin

[terse idol]

It got pretty good reviews even in its busted state at launch crazy enough

Although

Mixed

Isn't ideal

[slate sleet]

old camo expert will never be back

[lime gyro]

Vet used to have 200 base toughness

[terse idol]

Old camo was easy mode

Old psword

Easy mode

Oh my goodness

[lime gyro]

But then toughness didnt matter anymore cuz chip damage became a thibg

[slate sleet]

4 vets every match as the emperor intended

[lime gyro]

And u wud get 2 shotted by pox walkers while at full toughness

[terse idol]

Doesn't matter

Psword was just insane

Although yes vet was a little broken

1 hp vet life

But hey you had the most toughness in the game

200 base

Shooters couldn't touch you

Stack toughness

😌

[slate sleet]

you have nearly 300 now

whats your point

[terse idol]

Base toughness for vet now is 100 innit

Base before was 200

[rose drum]

also toughness damage reduction on ult was funny

[slate sleet]

no idea but im nearly 300 toughness with my build not even counting the 50 you get from shout

[terse idol]

Yeah

[lime gyro]

Why do u need so much toughness for

[terse idol]

You got toughness dr

[umbral scaffold]

Most dr on vet is on toughness

[terse idol]

Why wouldn't you stack toughness

[lime gyro]

I feel like even 190 is too much for me sometimes

[terse idol]

You get toughness DR while high on toughness

If you take that talent

[slate sleet]

you can eat sniper shots, ogryn/mauler overheads and pox bombs without a single point of hp dmg

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[lime gyro]

If im not able to dodge sniper shot i'll usually just pop my shout

[slate sleet]

picking up a guy while a sniper shoots you and you dont care is hilarious

[lime gyro]

Get the +50 to tank it

[rose drum]

Tbf shout does that too independently of how much toughness you actually have

[dusty plaza]

I liked the game on release and I like it now. I still hate the gear grind, but the gameplay is on point

[umbral scaffold]

Tbf if you're having any issues in-game
You just about -

[lime gyro]

Which talents did u use to get ur toughness tht high

[dusty plaza]

Probably my favorite gunplay of any game in general

[umbral scaffold]

There's no reason not to shout

[lime gyro]

Or is it also with curios too

[umbral scaffold]

[rose drum]

Also with curios

[slate sleet]

i run 17x3 5x3

[umbral scaffold]

There's one that gives up to 33% res when you're in coherency

[lime gyro]

Yea ik ab that one

[umbral scaffold]

And then there's the one that gives fat dr above 75% toughness

[lime gyro]

Yee thats what I usually run with

[slate sleet]

you can get every toughness dmg reduction node in a shout build

[umbral scaffold]

Yep

[lime gyro]

And it does more then enough for me but thats just me

[rose drum]

Thats damage reduction not numeric toughness

[lime gyro]

Ya niso ur not wrong

I took extra damage and stuff instead of all the toughness dr

[slate sleet]

the more toughness you have the more you benefit from vets multiple % based toughness refills

it just makes sense

[umbral scaffold]

Ye but it scales off your own toughness anyway

[lime gyro]

True

[umbral scaffold]

The more toughness you have the more base damage is needed before you get squished

Since the reduction scales off it as pseudo hp

[rose drum]

Yeah yeah i just said that because kazymir asked about how to get a lot of toughness

[umbral scaffold]

I just use 6 stamina+ 1 toughness myself

[rose drum]

But youre right

[umbral scaffold]

But I'm biased cos of stamina/shoves being integral imo

[slate sleet]

stam is a total scam right now

[umbral scaffold]

Especially if you're using like psword

It is, ye

[lime gyro]

My curios are a mix of toughness health and therr was another one i forgot

I'll check in abit when i get on dt

[umbral scaffold]

But since trinkets aren't like vt2 with damage trinkets

[slate sleet]

2 of 3 keystones you can get instantly fill your toughness up and give you full immunity from melee enemies

what are you going to block exactly

[umbral scaffold]

It's basically the one I use the most

[lime gyro]

I havent used psword in a while

[slate sleet]

i feel like my shout comes up so fast i can keep melee enemies perma staggered most of the time

[lime gyro]

I think last time i used psword was when enclavum baros first released

The throneside maps

[umbral scaffold]

I use psword, claw 4 or new shovel

[lime gyro]

Im dclaw supremacy gang

[dusty plaza]

Yeah and the shout gives you 50 more toughness buffer for iron will

[lime gyro]

Its so fun to use

[umbral scaffold]

It's just for consistency for shoving more than anything

[dusty plaza]

So the 50 toughness is functionally 100 for vet

[umbral scaffold]

Shoves are huge for keeping horde rhythms

[slate sleet]

health is absolutely worthless on vet

[umbral scaffold]

It is pretty bad, ye

[lime gyro]

I just love getting into sword fights with ragers

using the dclaw

Its like the duel of fates each timw

[umbral scaffold]

Parry god

[dreamy scaffold]

just shoot that guy before he shoots you🤷🏻‍♂️

[slate sleet]

dont tell me chip dmg when field improv is the best talent in the game and hp stims exist

[lime gyro]

Yea bro for real

[umbral scaffold]

Chip damage doesn't matter if your control is good anyway

[slate sleet]

i rarely even get melee'd by anything anymore

[lime gyro]

And it makes plague ogryns chaos spawns ez too

[umbral scaffold]

That's what I get more stamina for

[lime gyro]

All u have to do is keep parrying

[umbral scaffold]

More shoves is more control

[slate sleet]

melee enemies have become a joke

[umbral scaffold]

They always were

Melee enemies are never the issue

[dreamy scaffold]

the only real semi threat is crushers honestly

[umbral scaffold]

They're just there to test basic mechanics

[lime gyro]

ill just brr em down with my accatran

[slate sleet]

crushers eat krak all day

[dreamy scaffold]

true now

[slate sleet]

instantly deleted every time

[umbral scaffold]

It's a combination of melee enemies pressing you + specials throwing you off that gets you

Anyone who dies to only melee needs a brush up on their mechanics

[lime gyro]

Yea lol

Gotta know when to pop ur shouts and use shredder nades

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[lime gyro]

I dont run krak so i use my grenades as more of a cc thing

[umbral scaffold]

Or as I always do it
Shove a lot lol

[lime gyro]

Then to actually take out specific enemies

[dusty plaza]

Melee enemies set a baseline pressure. While you don't get hit by them much, they force you to maneuver around them, and block your movement.

[dreamy scaffold]

im over here with krak using it on fodder more than big enemies

[lime gyro]

Based

[terse idol]

Well

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty much

[terse idol]

I will say because of dimineshing returns its not a bad idea to run 1 health curio

[umbral scaffold]

It's why knowing when you increase your own tempo is important

[terse idol]

Or 1 wound 2 toughness
I got 2 toughness 1hp

Juust in cawe

Helps with fire

[umbral scaffold]

And it's the difference between just using your psword

Or using nades + plasma gun

[dusty plaza]

I use either 1stam, 2hp or 1stam 1hp 1 wound, depending slightly

[terse idol]

Its just more worth taking toughness

[dusty plaza]

Much prefer hp to toughness on the trinkets

[lime gyro]

i have 1 hp 1 toughness and 1 wound

[terse idol]

For vet

[covert summit]

look at this little meme of a gun

[terse idol]

We haave toughness DR ob high amounts of toughness

And the highest base toughness out of any class

[dusty plaza]

Yeah, but with the shout I don't really have much trouble staying yellow

[terse idol]

Sure

[dusty plaza]

And when I do lose my toughness, it's usually to things that would have taken all of it anyway

[lime gyro]

Nvm i forgot i removed my toughness curio

Im running 2 hp and 1 wound

[slate sleet]

lol

[lime gyro]

Fires r so annoying

[dusty plaza]

Especially since I usually run get back in the fight

[lime gyro]

Theres been times where i'll be getting revived and a tox flamer will just come out of no where

[dusty plaza]

So my toughness breaking means I can run for cover unchecked while my bonus HP tanks chip damage

[lime gyro]

And as im stuck in the animation of getting up

By the time i stand up i'd be dead from the tox flamer

So tht made me say fuk it n throw on a 2nd hp curio

[terse idol]

Yeah this is why I run 2 toughness 1 hp

[dusty plaza]

Not going anywhere without my stamina trinket man

Always, always run stamina

[dreamy scaffold]

i have yet to be annoyed by flamers, past it blocking where i need to go or just existing when i need it to not as i played low dif and just one shot or two shot

[dusty plaza]

The amount of times that extra stamina has let me get a teammate up

[lime gyro]

Its just when they catch u in a shitty spot

[dreamy scaffold]

but thats expected for low difs

[lime gyro]

Thats when they get annoying

[dusty plaza]

I don't even have the count

[lime gyro]

Or else usually i can dispatch them pretty quickly

One heavy swing frm dclaw does the trick

[terse idol]

I would say uh, if you're running a pure shootè build you can get away with stamina regen

[dreamy scaffold]

i have experienced being beat down by almost every single special at one time, thats the first time i raged at DT

[terse idol]

I do run 1 stamina for my melee vet though

[lime gyro]

Throwback to me during the closed and open beta

And then when chip damage was busted as shit

[serene orbit]

Is toughness regen speed on curious not that great?

[lime gyro]

Bro when chip damage was god awful ragers were a fking nightmare

[terse idol]

I mean, some folks say that, I think you can run 1 or 2

Because it does reduce the time it takes for your stamina regen to kick in

[slate sleet]

it sucks massive ass

[dreamy scaffold]

there are honestly better things to go for personally but stam regen is always good

[terse idol]

It doesn't

[serene orbit]

so it's awesome?

[lime gyro]

@umbral scaffold this is the dclaw that i run

[terse idol]

Ehat the

[wanton dawn]

It meh on vet

[dreamy scaffold]

yo can you give a lil dockets for charity?😭

[dusty plaza]

I recommend to try running it. It's such a huge QoL, it's night and day. I may or may not need the extra health, but I am always using stamina for something, whether it's Deadshot, ressing teamplayers, blocking, or just running fast.

[terse idol]

You can reduce when your stamina regen to about as fast as a psyker

Its not terrible

Imo

[slate sleet]

it only effects coherency regen and you have a million ways to either fully refill your bar or print it by doing your job

[lime gyro]

Bruv i ran thru 5mil dockets and 25k plasteel yesterday trying to get power cycler 4 on psword

just to not even get it

[dreamy scaffold]

ouch

[lime gyro]

thank u hadron soooo much

i fuckin love ittttttt

[dusty plaza]

That's unlucky

Even by hadron standards

I spent around 15k getting mine

[lime gyro]

Hadron has it out for me bro

im telling u

[terse idol]

I mean I may just run block efficiency on the side if reviving is that more important

[dreamy scaffold]

bro ran through like 2 weeks of farming😢

[lime gyro]

Bro tell me about it

now my melk bucks are loooking at me like

dont u dare get any idea

[dusty plaza]

I run toughness regen, stamina regen and ordo dockets on all my trinkets if I can

They're just always useful

[terse idol]

Toughness regen imo isn't that good for vet

[dusty plaza]

It's fantastic

[lime gyro]

this is what i run on my curios

[dreamy scaffold]

you should always have toughness honestly

[terse idol]

From what folks say it only effects coherency toughness regen

[dusty plaza]

3 toughness regen trinkets is double toughness regen from coherency

[terse idol]

And toughness regen doesn't kick in while in melee

[dusty plaza]

Or very nearly

[terse idol]

So at best it can regenerate your toughness vs shooters

[tiny summit]

Check reddit, sees a post about recons, others are saying "yea all lasguns are bad, helbores are unusable"

[terse idol]

Worse it literally just turns off

[lime gyro]

block efficiency comes through clutch when ur getting swarmed by a bunch of ragers and melee mobs

[dusty plaza]

I mean yeah if you're taking hits all the time

[slate sleet]

its kinda crazy how bad the takes in here are

[terse idol]

No but again

[lime gyro]

watch out niso ur gonna trigger the bolter psword gang

[dreamy scaffold]

bruh i ran a helbore that one shot everything for like 3 weeks after the lasgun buff

[terse idol]

It turns off if you're in melee

[slate sleet]

no wonder you see all sorts of whacky shit in pubs, the documentation and overall misleading in this community is insane

[terse idol]

And thats alot of the time

[terse idol]

????

Half of these discussions are opinion based

[slate sleet]

difficulty 6 needs to hurry up

[terse idol]

All the builds are someone's opinion and maybe some testing

[dusty plaza]

I am not aware that it always turns off in melee?

[terse idol]

Yes

[dusty plaza]

Is that a confirmed mechanic?

[terse idol]

Toughness regen turns off in melee

[lime gyro]

they need to put in raids

with like multiple bosses

and shit

like destiny styled raids

but actually good

[terse idol]

I ran toughness regen on my curios before I learned it's not that good

[dreamy scaffold]

might wanna watch out with that

[lime gyro]

thats why i said actually good

[terse idol]

Like yes it'll help if you're fighting ranged and find cover

[dreamy scaffold]

some people are diehards

[lime gyro]

its a tall order

[tiny summit]

I love exe helbore. Everything short of a flamer dies to headshot

[terse idol]

Not when you're fighting hordes

[lime gyro]

cuz the way d2 been going recently man >:((((((((((((( such disappointments

[dusty plaza]

I don't really have much of an issue with toughness fighting hordes, since you're constantly getting replenished off enemies

[dreamy scaffold]

alot of what we expect are tall orders honestly

[lime gyro]

tbh i only wanted a hotshot lasgun

:////////

[terse idol]

This is why I find value with stamina regen because at the very least there's opportunities for my toughness to regen while I'm blocking

I mean stamina

To regen

[lime gyro]

hotshot lasgun and a proper kasrkin outfit were my only expectations

:((((

[wanton dawn]

As far as I am concerned I did a columnus vs recon comparaison and the result are pretty clear: recon is "almost" as good as columnusᶦᶠ ʸᵒᵘ ᵖᵘᵗ ᴵᴬᴳ ᵈᵐᵍ ᵃⁿᵈ ˢᵗᵒᵖᵖᶦⁿᵍ ᵖᵒʷᵉʳ ᵃᵗ ⁰

[dreamy scaffold]

honestly my expectations were filled

[terse idol]

But you could probably just run +health or +toughness

[slate sleet]

yeah that coherency toughness regen is really lit on a class that gets chunks of % toughness back for killing specials and two keystones that just refill the bar entirely on a laughable cooldown

i mean it really doesnt matter

[dreamy scaffold]

minus server issues DT was fun asf for me on launch

[slate sleet]

the game is way too easy on auric mael to really matter

[terse idol]

Huh?

[slate sleet]

you can have the most reddit wheelchair build on the planet and still clear just fine

[terse idol]

I mean

Its passive toughness regen when you don't take damage

[lime gyro]

im forced to use this until fatshark gives proper cadia drip >:((((

[umbral scaffold]

I mean
That's a given

But doesn't really help people who want to tinker their builds a bit in this discussion

I've finished auric Maelstroms with the most wheelchair of weapons before

But people asking for help for breakpoints or advice on what feels better isn't really bad either

[dusty plaza]

Hm. I'll have to test the no regen in melee thing. I definitely get a fair bit of toughness back from the coherency regen, I know for a fact it's saved me a few times when I had to hunker into cover

[umbral scaffold]

It's just like vt2 where you can bring a meme tier weapon to cata and still do fine if you and your team are good

[dusty plaza]

But if it really stops once you're in melee range of something, it's pretty trash tier

[tiny summit]

I'm pretty sure most players aren't feeling this.

[slow garden]

Yeah most players arent

[dreamy scaffold]

yeahh…

[umbral scaffold]

This too lol

[slow garden]

You're like the 0.01% of players

[terse idol]

I mean

[merry gale]

Plus this game can bullshit anyone into a wipe so

[terse idol]

Its east for us

[dreamy scaffold]

over here struggling with reg dif 4 and 5

[slow garden]

Try out VT2 Cataclysm I guess?

[lime gyro]

all it takes to run auric dam or auric maelstrom

is map knowledge

[terse idol]

The game isn't built soley for airic

[merry gale]

you can't have 100%

[lime gyro]

and sound ques

[terse idol]

Because the mass of the playerbase is the average player

[lime gyro]

and knowing how to properly move

and dodge

[terse idol]

Not people who play auric

[umbral scaffold]

Map knowledge and good mechanics ye

[dreamy scaffold]

yeah its knowing things, and its also just being good

[umbral scaffold]

And good mechanics are just trained

[lime gyro]

or else u can literally run auric mael with 0 talents

and baseline gray weapons

[slate sleet]

you NEED a godroll plasma and peepeesword to clear auric maelstorm bro those monstrocity bosses are insane!!!

[dreamy scaffold]

you could have a player that knows all of that and still struggle

[lime gyro]

if u know all the mechanics and map knowledge

and know how to take advantage of em

i see people still running for their lives against mutants and shit

[wanton dawn]

SOmetimes trigger discipline to avoid aggroing 5 packs in no ammo maelstrom

[lime gyro]

meanwhile i make them chase me around in circles around pillars

[terse idol]

I mean many of us have background playing vt2

[umbral scaffold]

The worse people are the better they need crutches
People asking for minmaxing tips isn't really bad either lol

[dusty plaza]

I mean I play vt2 cata and I find aurics challenging

[lime gyro]

mutants r so easy to juke out

[umbral scaffold]

I've seen plenty of people who swear they run dry when they use plasma gun

[lime gyro]

u can literally just climb over a box

and itll break its pathing

[tiny summit]

I just saw a reddit post of like a line of 30 ragers. Or someone turned around and there was a conga line of 8 bursters. Director is very unstable. Some aurics can be cake walks. Some it's like the director wants you dead 3 times over

[slow garden]

A good player with a good kit will shine a lot brighter than a bad player with a good kit, though, either way.

[umbral scaffold]

Meanwhile I finish entire aurics using it normally and not running out

[lime gyro]

and will be forced to circle all the way around

just for u to climb over the same box again

[umbral scaffold]

Is normal people will just ask

[terse idol]

This is why we talk bps

[wanton dawn]

I mean, getting mutant grab into spawn melee combo or flame is bullcrap

[umbral scaffold]

Did you see someone who was flaming his team after fail training hard with the recon las

[merry gale]

yeah it depends on a lot of things, you can't always win, sometimes even if it's on the rarer side, it's impossible

[terse idol]

I can imagine people who do aurics with a pgun who don't know the bls

Which does increase ammo

[lime gyro]

bro ppl talk shit on the mk ii accatran recon all day and night long

[terse idol]

Or use charged shot

[lime gyro]

i've been using it for over 300 hours now

and i only run auric damnation or mael

[slow garden]

Charge shot can be kinda risky

Because it costs so much heat

[wanton dawn]

nobody use charge shot

[slow garden]

I usually ignore it entirely in favor of left click on plasgun

[dusty plaza]

Yeah charge shot is not worth it

[slow garden]

<--Plasgun main

[slate sleet]

the amount of crying that will happen when psword, columnus, revolver and plasma get nerfed into the ground is going to be amazing

[lime gyro]

LOOOL

[wanton dawn]

Well, "nobody" should use charged shot

[terse idol]

Yeah but this is the reason it seems that people lose alot of ammk

[slate sleet]

noooo i need to play the game now how can this be

[lime gyro]

Dont forget the bolter too

[dreamy scaffold]

especially pgun and rev

[terse idol]

I mean not as much as when psword got nerfed the first time lul

[umbral scaffold]

That's one thing I wanna see
Reddit veterans are unironically hilariously crybabies

[slow garden]

I think charge shot has some very niche situations its good in, namely, if there is a long line of metal coming down a narrow hallway

[umbral scaffold]

"I'm so squishy"

[lime gyro]

But What Do You mean I Cant just Use All the Easy mode Guns?!??!?!!!

[slate sleet]

i cant just delete entire corridors with my poo poo pee pee plasma this is unplayable

[umbral scaffold]

"why aren't I a zealot with infinity toughness"

[slow garden]

But otherwise yeah not worth it

[umbral scaffold]

Says the class with infinity toughness on demand

[terse idol]

Unironically it's only people who don't play alot of vet that says that

[granite shale]

Is there a specific playstyle that supports the Bolter over a plasma gun? Trying to find some synergy with my team and develop a build that we can reliably tackle malice so we can move to the next tier

[wanton dawn]

Imagine having an original take about veteran nerf when we already had this topic with ps sword and p13

[dusty plaza]

My biggest problem with the plasma is it kinda feels like a point and click adventure. The regular las guns feel kind of that way too.

[lime gyro]

Whattttt My Gun no longer allows me to 1 shot Enemies and Actually forces me to play on the proper Difficulty?!?!?!?!?!

OmgGGGGGGG

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah it's really funny seeing people give objectively bad advice

[terse idol]

When you actually get a couple hundred hours of vet you know

[dreamy scaffold]

i cant fully argue with this because i use melee more than ranged on most missions

[umbral scaffold]

"save your shout"

Uh
Just use it bro

USE IT

[slate sleet]

every time i see a plasma vet they are the worst player on the team by far too

[slow garden]

Those squishy Veterans I think are all executioners stance builds that tunnel vision hard

[lime gyro]

Nah revolver vets

[umbral scaffold]

Stop saving your shout for when things get bad

[dreamy scaffold]

it regens every like 45s just use it

[lime gyro]

are worse then plasma vets

[tiny summit]

Got shot through the grate on the bridge by a trapper. Flamer "dont mind if I do"

[slate sleet]

you need to at least reload the revolver

[lime gyro]

Ive ran alot of times w pretty good plasma vets

so i cant talk shit on them

[umbral scaffold]

Reddit vets will swear weapon spec is an awful keystone

[frank ether]

its very funy

[lime gyro]

but revolver and knife vets have been the bane

[umbral scaffold]

Then get meleed by 2 pox walkers and die

Cos they're reloading their bolter and can't switch to their weapon uwu

[dusty plaza]

The revolver with a good build is got tier

[lime gyro]

i dont even use keystones

[slow garden]

Prob because revolver's reload doesnt let you be as aggressive

[terse idol]

Also revolver did get nerfed

[umbral scaffold]

"but I need my headshot stacksss"

[terse idol]

Jokes aside

[tiny summit]

I have to. I chose tunnel vision. It's a node in the tree.

[wanton dawn]

I love it when a trapper can grab me through a wall but not bring me through the wall, leaving me stuck in place

[terse idol]

Its good but nerfed

[granite shale]

Is there a reliable tier lists on which guns work for different mission types?

[lime gyro]

:))))))

[dusty plaza]

The plasma gun is probably the best weapon in the game at the moment, but it's also a little boring imo

[dreamy scaffold]

honestly i havent experienced poxwalkers and other specials in a twist, but poxwalkers are the biggest pushovers for me

[umbral scaffold]

I use it cos I like not reloading my gun

[frank ether]

this is the way

[lime gyro]

indeed plush

[slow garden]

Tbh hard to say for me

[umbral scaffold]

Quick swaps are my reload

[slow garden]

Plasgun does have a weakness if you get pushed in melee

Its dodge is shit

[frank ether]

I like to go desperado path instead cause I'm more melee pilled

[lime gyro]

tbh my gun has a pretty quick reload so i never really needed to use it

[frank ether]

but otherwise very ideal build

[umbral scaffold]

Psword and plasma gun
Extremely effective and huge boring

[lime gyro]

but as a plasma vet user i hear u

cuz plasma gun takes a while

[granite shale]

I wish the bolter didn’t have that odd delay when aiming down sights

[umbral scaffold]

I did like 3 runs yesterday with both

Mind numbingly boring

[lime gyro]

Oni u need to come to the accatran gang

[granite shale]

Bc I prefer the RP aspect over the plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

Every issue was just
"Alt fire + swing 3 times"

[lime gyro]

Just go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

and turn everything into a lightshot

[dreamy scaffold]

i can effectively say after 250 hours of constant vet gameplay since launch, the columnus carried

[lime gyro]

with lasers

[umbral scaffold]

I use br autos for fun

[lime gyro]

Br autos r fun too but

[umbral scaffold]

But I need to use a headhunter one of these days

[lime gyro]

full auto lasgun hits diff

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i find recon, kantrael, taxe boring but I guess it is fine cuz it is not meta

[lime gyro]

i make the gunners scared of me

[tiny summit]

Recon isnt underperforming. Its the tease for what's to come

[dreamy scaffold]

the recon is so fun to run ‘n gun the whole level

[lime gyro]

yea bro

[slow garden]

I'm hoping a lot of the weapons get some QOL or buffs, myself

Mostly the shotguns

[lime gyro]

its like a pocket hotshot lasgun

[dusty plaza]

Yeah. I do think my veteran playstyle does get affected by the fact that most of the time what I really want to play is Zealot, though. But revolver veteran has been a real eye-opener. It just does everything well.

[slow garden]

Feel inconsistent to me

[slate sleet]

i have nearly every gun bis rolled and ive used all of them on auric

[lime gyro]

until fatshark decides to give me the hotshot lasgun

that the scab gunners have

then i will be truly unstoppable

[dusty plaza]

To the point where I've started to feel like I'm enjoying vet as much as zealot.

[dreamy scaffold]

i dont know if shotguns were always so different from each other, but i like what they did with each variant sorta

[umbral scaffold]

Ye psword + revolver or plasma vet is just "I can deal with everything"

[slow garden]

I like that the variants feel different!

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma gun pull out isn't even awful

And it never gets suppression

[slow garden]

I think they need more effective range though

[umbral scaffold]

So you can snipe those gunners with 0 issue

[slow garden]

And a tighter spread

[slate sleet]

the problem is not recon being "bad" its that the 4 cancer tumors are so insanely busted it makes everything else look terrible

[wanton dawn]

I mean, it is fatshark fault, not player fault

[dusty plaza]

I play mostly with pugs, so I just can't play a build that has no good strategy for dealing with specials

[slow garden]

Feel very inconsistent with their left clicks to me

[umbral scaffold]

Meanwhile
Revolver head tapping is orgasmic

[umbral scaffold]

Mood
And same

[wanton dawn]

You cant tell player "no, meta bad and boring, play the shitty stuff instead"

[umbral scaffold]

Though my recent pugs on maelstrom have been fantastic

[dusty plaza]

And I mean like team-wide strategy, not just "don't get netted"

[umbral scaffold]

Might be because I'm on sea though

[slate sleet]

none of the guns are shitty

[dreamy scaffold]

pov: you get consistent headshots for like 20 kills and then hitreg makes you miss 3 hits in a row

[umbral scaffold]

All the Chinese players I play with are no lifers for darktide like me lol

[wanton dawn]

The fact is, it is hard to build other guns to be half as good as the meta. And there are some very good option still

[slate sleet]

the only time a weapon is bad is anything with high fire rate on a 200 ping server

[umbral scaffold]

dishonor for family

[slate sleet]

you are just completely 100% wrong but thats fine

[dreamy scaffold]

hitreg is so small of an issue for me but its so annoying

[dusty plaza]

Agree with that. All the guns are viable, although mk3 hellbore and lawbringer are underperforming pretty hard

[tiny summit]

Fatshark listen to reddit. Buff the helbores. They are unusable

[wanton dawn]

Then you are 200% wrong and I leave it at that

[dreamy scaffold]

[wanton dawn]

Thanks for discussing

goodbye

[slate sleet]

i can get 800k dmg with a braced auto build and barely any will be overkill

[tiny summit]

Shhhh

[dusty plaza]

I mean you're obviously not going to get much overkill with the braced auto

[slow garden]

Ah, one of those w mouse 1 autogun plays

[dusty plaza]

It doesn't do much damage per bullet

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark will listen to reddit and give veterans 200 toughness back

[dreamy scaffold]

i have been silenced

[wanton dawn]

Imagine discussing with ppl and saying "Man, your opinion is shit go die:

[umbral scaffold]

Do you remember the reddit whine when they took the 50 overheal from shout away?

[strange sparrow]

Please buff hellbore, listen to reddit

[umbral scaffold]

I swear I remember the doom posting

[strange sparrow]

the gun suck

plz

[leaden grove]

i... agree

[slow garden]

Everyone was whining

[dreamy scaffold]

just give vets zealot toughness and ogryn health

[umbral scaffold]

"I'm so squishy I'm gonna die without my 50 extra toughness"

[umbral scaffold]

"wdym I can only have 300+ toughness every 10 seconds"

[dusty plaza]

And make the shout give wallhax

[gray finch]

what did i miss ?

[umbral scaffold]

"how can I survive aurics ahhh"

[dreamy scaffold]

shout gives wallhax and max ammo

[leaden grove]

dodge button

[umbral scaffold]

Legit laughed when I saw someone say vets are squishier than psykers

[leaden grove]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[gray finch]

i see helbore bad and stuff like this ? what is it all about

[umbral scaffold]

"psykers can get the bubble shield"

[dusty plaza]

No +100 overfill on ammo

[umbral scaffold]

"my shout doesn't give me a bubble shield"

😭 oppressed redditors

[slow garden]

I can at least see the argument there even if I don't agree with it

Psyker can get some insanely good defensive options

[strange sparrow]

No No No

[leaden grove]

i feel like this was spurred on by something. tell me the lore oni

[dusty plaza]

The hellbore mk1 and mk2 are terrific, and fun if you're with a good group

[slow garden]

Hallway of crushers, maulers, and horde

[strange sparrow]

hellBore is indeed bad, please buff

[slow garden]

One shocky boy:

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[dreamy scaffold]

the shout should instead of pushing enemies over, spawn a kill bubble where enemies take chip

[gray finch]

oh that a joke i got it now

[umbral scaffold]

Just reddit whining on how vets are squishy
Which is hilarious I think

[strange sparrow]

HelBore is a bad gun
Please make it cleave 2 more target

[umbral scaffold]

The way reddit makes each class sound bad and the worst

[lime gyro]

B-Bu-bu-but wh wha what do you mean i cant rely on my broken gun to carry me through the hardest difficulty???????!!?!

[dusty plaza]

And it moves with you obviously

[slow garden]

Tbh more cleave on the guns is something I'd support

[dreamy scaffold]

of course

[umbral scaffold]

Unless you're Ogryn ( and you're apparently op )Is silly

[leaden grove]

the idea of vet being squishy is funny

[gray finch]

give back old man-stopper

[twin karma]

Hellebourne rifle is so fun to bayonet with 😎

[slow garden]

Primary reason I tend to use plasgun is because it lets me shoot through crowds to pick important specials

[lime gyro]

Ogryns are based

U know

[strange sparrow]

Look, they're dumb so they should be strong

[gray finch]

where its work with a melee

[dreamy scaffold]

gib chainsword buf

[strange sparrow]

then again all my teammate be rockin on ogryn braincell

[leaden grove]

with out iron will hes like average toughness but iron will is busted

[lime gyro]

They shudve just made vet and ogryn the only playable classes on dt 😈😈😈😈

[dusty plaza]

Literally the only thing I dislike about the mk3. Melee is bad on that one when it's so good on the other ones

[tiny summit]

"BRING IT ON! IM INVINCIBLE" as I stand in the complete open vs 30 gunners

[slate sleet]

they should stop being pussies and stick to making the game lore accurate: plasma has a 10% chance every shot to blow you up and full kill you instantly

[lime gyro]

Thts me

[dusty plaza]

Like it's the 41st millennium we don't have the technology to do both high damage and make stabbing movements with our identical knife

[dreamy scaffold]

bink bink bink uhh… all dead

[lime gyro]

Like 30 scab gunners will be firing tbeir hotshots

Im just shooting back with the same amount of lasers

from my accatran

[strange sparrow]

I still believe Vets Toughness Regeneration Condition are more extreme than other class

[umbral scaffold]

Found it
Doesn't even make sense in hindsight

[dreamy scaffold]

im incredibly lucky when it comes to shooting while suppressed

[lime gyro]

whenever i get into it with scab infantry instead of dreg

[umbral scaffold]

"if I get trappered I die on vet but zealots live that's op"

Wut

[strange sparrow]

Headshots, kill elites (scale with difficulty so only big bois get to use this more)

[leaden grove]

brain rot

[lime gyro]

It looks like the battle of jakku skyline

nothing but lasers flying everywhere

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah which is insane since
Y'know
Voice of Command

[tiny summit]

Reddit thinks helbores are unusable

[umbral scaffold]

Best skill in the game ( or top 3)

[dreamy scaffold]

first wall, siege of terra

[lime gyro]

Yea literally bro

[strange sparrow]

That's the sad part, I use Exec Stances for Wall Hax

✊

[dreamy scaffold]

“hey shitass, eat krak”

[dusty plaza]

if insane toughness reduction on high toughness, ability to overfill toughness and suppression immunity aren't enough to let you take down some gunners, you may belong on a lower difficulty

[lime gyro]

We need more vet drip

[dreamy scaffold]

always

[lime gyro]

Like astra militarum vet drip

[robust lake]

Hey shitass is the perfect thing to fit with krak grenades

[gray finch]

lmao i do carry with it on lvl 20 on hi intense assassination without any curios

[lime gyro]

Not the stupid rambo lone wolf edgelord drip

[dreamy scaffold]

we need a constant supply of vet drip

[strange sparrow]

Reason why VoC Yellow Toughness is op

[dreamy scaffold]

have they given jump trooper drip yet?

[leaden grove]

well to be fair vet toughnes gen is kinda shit without voc

[lime gyro]

I wish bro

Elysian drip would be so chad

[strange sparrow]

Also work against Overhead on Crusher

and Mauler

[dreamy scaffold]

i need elysian drip in my life

[lime gyro]

Thats me with kasrkin drip

[rain badger]

assasination drop

[lime gyro]

Fatsharkkk whyyy

[dusty plaza]

Only if you don't use any talent points

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/money-ball-what-the-fuck-are-you-talking-about-man-wtf-brad-pitt-gif-17710711

[strange sparrow]

People don't realize that you need to headshot to get toughness back which is annoying

[tiny summit]

Every poxwalker headshot is free toughness and DR

[strange sparrow]

while other class be like

[leaden grove]

huh guess i just never noticed

[lime gyro]

Thats the real 40k difficulty mode

No talents

No blessings

[strange sparrow]

Psyker -> Crit/Quell Peril/Use Peril/Kill with Warps

[lime gyro]

No perks

No curios

[dusty plaza]

Auric Maelstrom no talents grey weapons screen off

[tiny summit]

Try ET and CK. You will regen faster than a gunner spraying into you

[lime gyro]

Literally guardsman difficulty mode

😂😂

[dusty plaza]

Haha

[leaden grove]

i do not know what et and ck stand for

[lime gyro]

Et stand for extra terestrial ct stand for central time

Ur welcome

[dusty plaza]

extra terrestrials and calvin klein obviously

[lime gyro]

Ohh ck

Yeeeh calvin klein

[robust lake]

Et as in that gaggle fuck xeno and ck as in Cranky Kong

[strange sparrow]

ET = Headshot give Toughness and TDR
CK = Kill Specialist or Elites

[dusty plaza]

As in you purge the xenos with chemicals

Obviously

[tiny summit]

Exhilarating Takedown - every headshot regens toughness and DR
Confirmed Kill - every special and elite kill is toughness

[strange sparrow]

CK is a problem if you play on lower difficulty

which is where the brainrot come from

[leaden grove]

oh yeah i run those

[lime gyro]

Purge the xenos with cologne and underwear

Sponsored by calvin klein

[leaden grove]

i dont play anything other then damnation and its been mostly aurics recently

[strange sparrow]

I think Veteran's Skill Set shine best when you play on higher difficulty as it all scale with higher density/difficulty

[lime gyro]

I only play auric dams

Auric heresy if i want to farm melk

But 90% of time auric damnation

[gray finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1191057838957662338/1_wyrmwoodagent_gameplay.mp4?ex=65ad488d&is=659ad38d&hm=c6878e30ecfa8b992a1b8fe8fabdc3eb2350406c047b23edde21759b41881711& unusable af

[strange sparrow]

While Lower Difficulty left Veteran eeeee

[dusty plaza]

I do damnation on short missions if I'm farming mats or playing my ogryn

I do not enjoy my ogryn

[lime gyro]

I only have 2 chars rn

My vet main and my ogryn thats still lvl 1

😂

His name is Bug

Cuz he likes to eat bugs

[dusty plaza]

I have 4, and I tend to complete them in the order of zealot->psyker->vet->ogryn

Although the zealot and psyker sometimes switch places

[lime gyro]

Im probably gonna make a zealot after i get around to lvling up my ogryn

[strange sparrow]

If there isn't so much fuckin range enemy, I would play Zelaot more

[dusty plaza]

Zealot is fantastic. It's just a lot of fun.

[lime gyro]

Moar Ranged!!!!!

Yea my buddy plays zealot

[wanton dawn]

The problem here is that ppl will call you a sweaty tryhard with that clip lose-lose either way

[lime gyro]

Theyre pretty based

[rain badger]

poke, poke, poke, WHY WONT YOU DIE?

[lime gyro]

The ones that dont sprint 10000m ahead of everyone else and triggers 3 hordes

Just to die

[strange sparrow]

Mk2 IronSight is pretty shit thou

[dusty plaza]

I mean all of the classes are good at the moment. I don't dislike Ogryn because I don't think it's good, it just doesn't suit my playstyle much

[strange sparrow]

Please Buff Hellbore, it's truly unusable

Make it pierces more target

It's a win-win for me

[lime gyro]

Thats what everything will essentially boil down to in dt not just for classes but weapons talents blessings etc

Its just whatever fits ur playstyle

[rain badger]

not using weapon customization mod

[lime gyro]

And u feel u perform best with

[rain badger]

Get you some sights on that helbore

[dusty plaza]

Kinda how it should be though tbh. If talents are objectively worse they are also objectively kinda pointless.

[lime gyro]

Yea exactly

[dusty plaza]

I mean, I don't necessarily feel like every talent needs to be high-performing statistically

[wanton dawn]

In any case, hellbore could use some QoL improvement. Especially HB3. But it does not need a balance pass

[dusty plaza]

But it does need to be fun and useful

[lime gyro]

Ive always been firm on the stance that its all matter of preference

[dusty plaza]

HB3 just needs the melee fixed

[lime gyro]

Ive seen ppl use what this server wud describe as the shittiest weapons or builds

And i bet they would still out perform the same ppl talking shit

[strange sparrow]

Talk About Shr3dder

Me looking at its horrendous spread

[rain badger]

you arent using it in the appropriate range lmao

[dusty plaza]

I am struggling to make the shredder work on maelstrom but it's doing work on every other difficulty, especially on my psyker.

[lofty lintel]

the shitter

[lime gyro]

Isnt that gun only good up close

I never really ran with it but yea

[strange sparrow]

The DPS is lackluster even your butt is sticking into dreg gunner's butt

Because this weapon

[rain badger]

blaze away and pinning fire are good, but it will never be what it USED to be

[strange sparrow]

IT WILL NEVER BE WHAT IT USED TO BE

WE KNOW

I GRINDED

16k PLASTEEL ON MY GUNKER

[rain badger]

ooof

[umbral scaffold]

Brother
I am pinned here

[rain badger]

you cant compare zealot ability with vet ability bro

[lime gyro]

Imagine grinding 25k and then blowing it all just to not even get the blessing u needed

Srry my discord lagged for a sec

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

Zealot can't die anyways

[elfin stump]

Is this good?

[wanton dawn]

I mean, yes ? Born leader does not affect damage so chance are if I get outdps it isn't cuz of this crap

[strange sparrow]

The Blessing is not that great

[astral ingot]

no

finesse is a damage stat

[strange sparrow]

Here's me with a BM and Pcycler PS6

[rain badger]

he spends resources

[lime gyro]

Its all just preference

Whatever u feel u play best with

[strange sparrow]

BM = more weakspot damage

and ignore mass if weakspot kill

You could do an argument for Sunder too because how strong it is against Rager spam

[rain badger]

yes and no. Id compare to a PS with higher finesse to see what youre looking at. Blessing is whatever

[wanton dawn]

Anyhow, I did a deadshot agri brauto build and I can tell yah: it is worse than without

[strange sparrow]

Also Finesse heavily affected how long you charge the Psword I believe

[lofty lintel]

no

[strange sparrow]

because attack speed scale whatever

[rain badger]

uh, what? base PS gets 1 charged swing regardless

[strange sparrow]

How Long you Charge

Not how much you charge

[rain badger]

ohhhh

no idea

[lofty lintel]

finesse dumpstat on a weapon that aims to the head

[strange sparrow]

Also Ps3 is not that great

it's usable but not as good as ps6

[dusty plaza]

I love ps3, what are you talking about

[rain badger]

Bro, PS6 isn’t even out yet! We have up to PS5

[dusty plaza]

I has horizontal slash on the light, it's awesome.

[past knot]

How does shattering impact work on plasma? Does it affect the first shot?

[strange sparrow]

GTA will release on PS5

fr

[wanton dawn]

Not great

[dusty plaza]

I went for blaze away and gets hot, although my current one has gets hot and volatile because that's how Hadron wanted it

[wanton dawn]

Actually good question but I doubt it applies to the first shot

[past knot]

I have one like that
But I want to one shot body shot everyone
And I'm 43 dmg off the mark its annoying

[past knot]

That bad huh

[sharp ember]

if i recall, only helps subsequent shots

[strange sparrow]

Take Focus Target

It help a lot

[past knot]

Well to hell with that

[sharp ember]

and even then, plasma already has great armor damage

[dusty plaza]

See if you can grab a 5% ranged damage talent somewhere or something?

[wanton dawn]

Plasma has high enough carapace damage that rending is already at its diminishing return cap

[strange sparrow]

Just take Focus Target, because Redirect Fire

[past knot]

Checked i have every that I can

[strange sparrow]

Infinite Loop

[wanton dawn]

And you can already kill a crusher in 3 hit, sometimes 2

1 if charged

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty much a must on Plasma build if you dont want to be annoyed with the 47 hp

[past knot]

Wait I didnt take that
Ok imma test with that

[past knot]

Yeah I was pissed now that I was testing

[strange sparrow]

-> You kill a guy you tag -> You get enough damage to break any dreg gunner for 10 seconds

[dusty plaza]

And you're maxed out on your damage stat? And you have blaze away?

[strange sparrow]

-> then you repeat

[dusty plaza]

25% flak and maniac

[wanton dawn]

(killing crusher in 2 uncharged hit is hard cuz you need 2 weakspot or crit and the first shot put them on the floor )

[past knot]

I wasn't using the focus fire thingy
Its now one shot

My soul is at peace

[dusty plaza]

That thing lasts forever too

[past knot]

Tell that Haddon to not give me bad blessings
I'm settled with only maniac

[strange sparrow]

Also you could take Foccused Fire because a lot of people advise with it

I don't play Plasma so I wouldn't be able to provide the best suggestion

[dusty plaza]

Hadron does as she will, it's better not to question these things. Sometimes what you really need is stamina on your ranged weapon, you just didn't know it.

[strange sparrow]

Cuz I can't handle the brainrot when my friend was playing it

oh guys just stand in this congo line (watch as he blast the entire horde)

[past knot]

zelot already woodshed 70% of their hp so technically you can one shot, but still

[past knot]

That
Well I didnt mind it on revolver cause I have funi skill with it but still hurts on damn plasma

[dusty plaza]

I was lucky with my revolver

Got flak and crit

[past knot]

It is a very funy weapon
And not needing to aim is a massive qol imo

[dusty plaza]

One day I will get the IV hand cannon blessing, but for now I'm stuck with III

[past knot]

Hope hadron steps on your toe and congrats

[slate sleet]

i think toby is trolling

[lime gyro]

I will kill Hadron

And turn her into a microwave

[slate sleet]

hes trying to be as bland and unoriginal as possible

[sharp ember]

I will romance Hadron

[lime gyro]

I will kill U too

[crude ermine]

The Kevin of darktide

But with romance

[dusty plaza]

John Darkentide himself

Was Hadron all along

[strange sparrow]

Ayo bro you wilding out

[lime gyro]

U think John Darktide would romance Hadron bro

[slate sleet]

i hope you never get powershitter 5 or whatever that crap is

[lime gyro]

John Darktide is banging Sororitas bitches

Not romancing a tin can

[slate sleet]

plague be upon ye

[dusty plaza]

niso, dude, calm down, no one cares

[wanton dawn]

t3 should be enough to hit diminishing return on all armor class

[lime gyro]

Niso plz no

I spent 25k plasteel trying to get power shitter

Dont curse me more then i already am

[slate sleet]

it sucks

[dusty plaza]

Yeah and I don't think I'm super close to any breakpoints I just like bigger numbers more better

[slate sleet]

its really not as good as you think

[lime gyro]

I came to that conclusion after my 25k spending

Which made me even more sad

cuz it was all for nought

[slate sleet]

poopsword users are inhaling massive copium

[lime gyro]

Dclaw is superior

Watch me parry this plague pgryn

[slate sleet]

sunken cost

[lime gyro]

B-But Nooooo U cant just parry each attack!!!

[slate sleet]

knife, claw and fold shovel are all way better

with good mobility

[lime gyro]

Im going for fold shovel next

[dusty plaza]

Dclaw is the most soulsike of the weapons

[lime gyro]

Cuz this one guy posted a cracked out shovel

[strange sparrow]

Dclaw is so average

[lime gyro]

And i wana test it

[strange sparrow]

[lime gyro]

Na u just lack skills

[dusty plaza]

Standard Issue shovel is just objectively the best weapon in the game though

[strange sparrow]

It’s probably the blandest weapon rn

Because the light does 100~ damage

[dusty plaza]

With hammerblow and trauma

[lime gyro]

Psword is the blandest

Charge

[dreamy scaffold]

well duh, its a sword

[lime gyro]

Swing

[slate sleet]

you only need to ask someone what they think of the dclaw to know their true worth

[lime gyro]

charge

[strange sparrow]

Spammable Special

[lime gyro]

Swing

Charge swing

[dreamy scaffold]

it doesnt get more basic than sword

[lime gyro]

Thats psword gameplay in a nutshell

W dclaw u can atleast do combos

Between parrying block attack light and heavy attacks

[dreamy scaffold]

dclaw is fun

[strange sparrow]

Look, I atleast was expecting some funny moveset or extra long range

[lime gyro]

Dclaw fun as hell to use

[strange sparrow]

But it’s parry spam

[dreamy scaffold]

for a sword..

[lime gyro]

Psword is literally

-special ability

-swing

-special ability

-swing

[strange sparrow]

I’m not talking about Psword thou

[dusty plaza]

And you can play Sekiro, but in Darktide

[lime gyro]

and repeat

[strange sparrow]

Why people talking bout Psword lmao

[lime gyro]

Cuz thats wat we were comparing it to

[dreamy scaffold]

before nerf it was
-special
-swing swing swing
-special
-swing swing swing
so

[past knot]

hides with shovel

[strange sparrow]

No? I’m saying it’s a bland weapon

[lime gyro]

Ya thats when i used to use it

[strange sparrow]

Even shovel get folding now

[dusty plaza]

I mean the power sword is enjoyable to me, but the shovel is a shovel

[lime gyro]

Shovels r cool but dclaw isnt bland

U can mix and match ur attacks

Make cool combos

[dusty plaza]

No it absolutely is not bland

[lime gyro]

And its fun to get into sword duels

With ragers

[crude ermine]

My powersword tastes like cherry

[strange sparrow]

Yeah nah, y’all trolling me

[past knot]

Dclaw is when you wanna kill with style and feel awesome

[lime gyro]

Ya exactly

Nahcies it sounds like a skill issue mate

[dusty plaza]

No the Dclaw is legit. You can do any difficulty with the Dclaw

[lime gyro]

Mate mate mate

[dusty plaza]

Unironically

[strange sparrow]

Blandest weapon without any special funny

[strange sparrow]

I know but it’s bland

[lime gyro]

No special funny

[dusty plaza]

It literally has one of the coolest specials

[strange sparrow]

I take DC to handicap myself

[dreamy scaffold]

the way the special works now reminds me of like the ogryn shock maul

[lime gyro]

Me as i parry 3 ragers at the same time

[dreamy scaffold]

i dont like it

[lime gyro]

Killing them with a single parry

[strange sparrow]

I mean ragers are probably the most garbage enemy rn

[hardy ember]

Hellguns on the way?

[dreamy scaffold]

i miss the old psword special broken or not

[strange sparrow]

Because they launch their attack animation

[lime gyro]

This guy doesnt know what hes talking about 😂😂

[strange sparrow]

And won’t chase you

[dreamy scaffold]

it was just better looking

[lime gyro]

Change ur name to soldier 70

[strange sparrow]

So you can double dodge backward

And rager can’t hit you anymore lmao

[dusty plaza]

If there's like 1 rager, sure

[lime gyro]

Ya they sometimes still can

[midnight totem]

That's nice. I kill three ragers with two head level swings of my power sword in a flash

[strange sparrow]

Let me test this

[lime gyro]

Ragers come at u in groups 90% of the time in auric dam

[strange sparrow]

Because I can kite 4-5

By triggering their animation

[dusty plaza]

Those are rookie numbers