veteran-class

[junior needle]

There's a lot of dumb rules interactions that just don't make sense logically because of layers. Like magus of the moon. Makes me appreciate rules engines, a lot of paper magic is done in ignorance of how the little intricacies work.

[midnight totem]

It's too easy!

[elfin stump]

It's 30% for crit/wp and 50% for crit wp

[tiny summit]

I would consider thumping heads with a sweeping motion of a shovel aoe horde clear

[torn root]

replacement affects are worse than layers

because they work on top of layers

[tiny summit]

Join Exe MF Helbore

[white minnow]

if you must, then the shredder frag grenade (leftmost grenade) is the closest analog to the trauma staff

[muted knot]

Gang gang

[midnight totem]

Legit went into a high int damnation, looked at me team (zealots and a psyker), went like, meh, they're dying if I don't go voc and survival aura

[torn root]

do you even know what happens when someone plays a blood moon then someone drops a gaea's cradel?

[midnight totem]

Well they died anyway but

[elfin stump]

Shredder frag is pure crowd control

[midnight totem]

I didn't die

[sharp ember]

frag keystone gang

[midnight totem]

And the zealots were replaced with two ogryn

[muted knot]

Nothing ?

[torn root]

not nothing

any non basic land 1st becomes a mountain

[muted knot]

Oh wait

[tiny summit]

So many chances in HISTG for demo team to proc, yea I'll dump all my grenades on the crusher patrol

[muted knot]

Is it nonbasic

Or basic lands

It's nonbasic

[torn root]

then cradel then turns them into a mountain and a forest

and there are shitter replacement layers

[muted knot]

Well its not a Forrest is it ?

[torn root]

those lands will be considered both

[junior needle]

Can be both in magic

Some are three

[muted knot]

Nono

[torn root]

yes they would

[muted knot]

Cradle isn't a Forrest right ?

It just taps for green

[torn root]

no

[elfin stump]

So at what point do you get to gather the magick

[torn root]

cradle would be a mountain

in that case

see how ppl can be confused?

[muted knot]

Yes that's what I'm saying

Cradle doesn't say forrest anywhere

But it keeps the tap ability no ?

[torn root]

BloodMoon dude

[midnight totem]

Anyway, even krak grenades can horde clear

[elfin stump]

Actually do frags do enough damage to kill walkers with the talent?

I never tried it

[muted knot]

I'm stupid I meant forrest

Sorry

[torn root]

my bad i said gaea's lmao

[junior needle]

Are you sure it's cradle? That one gives you green mana for each creature you control

[midnight totem]

Poxbursters or just plain walkers?

[torn root]

yavimiyah*

[junior needle]

Yee

[elfin stump]

Plain

[junior needle]

Had me confused there

[white minnow]

i don't know if it'll kill walkers right at the edge of the explosion

[serene sage]

Huh?

[white minnow]

i think it might not since it's only 6 bleed stacks

[muted knot]

Oh god

[torn root]

also i found out the ruling was set in stone 2yrs now actually

[muted knot]

Yeah it's something lol

[elfin stump]

They do initial damage which is increased by the perk

[torn root]

blood mooon always wins

[muted knot]

I haven't played mtg in a hot second

And j don't really miss it

[white minnow]

well actually i should check up on how much damage bleed does

[midnight totem]

I'm just saying they can clear a packed horde if you predict it right. Not as good as frags obs.

[muted knot]

Mtg peaked when arena came out and you got to play with winding boa

[vivid bolt]

Yea 6 isn’t enough

[junior needle]

Poxwalkers have more hp than groaners but it probably depends on how damaged they are by the explosion

[torn root]

stuff like layering damage amps is also weird because the controller of damage amp abilities doesnt get to layer how they want to deal damage

the defender layers how they want to take it

which is dumb btw

[elfin stump]

I tend to use frags when shit goes sideways or when I'm panicking which usually happen at the same time

[torn root]

games aren't meant to be easy to understand

[junior needle]

That's the best way to use them. With nade regen you have more leeway to chuck them but it's good to keep two in reserve just in case.

[torn root]

I always only keep 1 nade

for shredders

[white minnow]

huh bleed has 75% adm to unarmoured and infested

interesting

[junior needle]

My psyker stuck in a corner with a bunch of ragers? Just chuck a shredder

[midnight totem]

I tend to stagger all of my shredder frags into an elite patrol

Anything that keeps them down and off balance

[white minnow]

i spam it if it's maulers/ragers, but crushers/bulwarks get the staggered grenade treatment

[strange sparrow]

Yes

[torpid pier]

I usually keep flak armor on weapons but does that apply to the Vrak 7 or replace elite ?

[strange sparrow]

If you took tinkerer, frags blast pox easily

[torpid pier]

i feel elite more useful but 6% is bit low

so not sure

[strange sparrow]

Because the explosion is significantly better at 8-9 meter something

The damage drop off is also less significant

[junior needle]

without talent

with

[torn root]

i think i asked this befoe

onslaught and grenades

no right?

[junior needle]

I'd replace elite, that's also a low roll

[white minnow]

thanks for the tests

[torpid pier]

ty

[junior needle]

I will check

[delicate rivet]

Power Cycler 4 yessssssssssss

[midnight totem]

Congrats

[torpid pier]

yea got this vrak 7 temporarily as a starter since i just got to lv30 and want something to start with

[torn root]

welcome to NG+

[delicate rivet]

Praise be, the beneficent Emperor

[torpid pier]

i made the mistake of waiting for good rolls with my ogryn character and waited for a bit with bad weps

wasn't worth it, so with this character i am getting decent weps to start with and have fun while grinding for those high rolls

[delicate rivet]

Thats the way

[junior needle]

Fatshork said no

[midnight totem]

When I look at a horde with any other weapon, I'm preparing for a fight

[torn root]

lame

[midnight totem]

When I look at a horde with a Power cycle 4 sword, I'm preparing to be a blender

[delicate rivet]

ChargeUp-1-2-3-PushAttack repeat

[torn root]

its funny because i rarely get to Light 3

its just Charge >light 1 and 2

repeat

unless i have no space

[delicate rivet]

I been facing some THIC hordes

[torn root]

but that might be because im fishing efficiency from BM

[midnight totem]

I sometimes do a heavy after one and two

[junior needle]

It aint much but it's honest work

[delicate rivet]

Im using MKIII btw

[torn root]

aah

[muted knot]

What perks do I want on Hellbore again ?

[junior needle]

Depends on which mk

[muted knot]

Yee yee MK3 user

[muted knot]

1

It still bothers me very much that 1 is the middle child not 2

[delicate rivet]

Idk, what does Vet Chat think about Mk3 vs Mk6 Power Sword

[torn root]

it makes sense

[muted knot]

Mk6 got the funny crusher 2 stab

[junior needle]

You don't need unarmored on the 1 like you do on the 2, flak maniac SHOULD work fine

[torn root]

was the 1st model that was okay, then they wanted one for farther and shorter ranges

[junior needle]

Or at least last I checked you didn't

whoops

[muted knot]

Haha

Do I need flak for gunner oneshots ?

Also thank you to whoever brought me back to left keystone

[versed merlin]

what blessings people go on the mk 3 shovel?

[muted knot]

It's good

[junior needle]

Don't think I have any built helbore 1's to check

[muted knot]

Uncanny strike and SCrusher I think

[junior needle]

There's the darktide calc

[muted knot]

Lemme check

[junior needle]

mk3 shovel has limbsplitter and thrust for maximum doink shenanigans

But that's a very specialized setup

[versed merlin]

how do i proc skullcrusher on a crusher with shovel?

special atk?

[junior needle]

stagger

On a normal shovel you'd special attack

[versed merlin]

oh i meant fold it and atk

does that stagger a crusher?

[junior needle]

Not sure off the top of my head

Lemme UH

Get back in game

It should

[versed merlin]

so assuming it procs as i land a overhead special. how is the proc going to work? will the debuff apply to my fold atk right away or only to the next hit i land on him?

[junior needle]

It does appear to be staggered with a heavy, but not a light

[lilac jungle]

Are people still arguing over shredder vs krak or has everyone finally realised that shredders are better?

[junior needle]

It seems the second hit is the one that staggers

[versed merlin]

ohh okay. so skullcrusher will apply to my next atks then

[white minnow]

a warning in case you're not aware is that skullcrusher's damage bonus only applies when the enemy is staggered
So, the enemy needs to be staggered for your hits to apply skullcrusher stacks, and they also need to be staggered while you smack them for the skullcrusher stacks to be of any benefit

[versed merlin]

i wish i could see debuffs applied to my enemies

[junior needle]

There's a mod for that

[versed merlin]

oh

what is it called?

[white minnow]

debuff indicator should be its name

[junior needle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137?tab=description

[versed merlin]

tyvm

[torn root]

want one with a symbol or something

[elfin stump]

Actually talking grenaded can you unmap them from the weapon wheel?

[torn root]

lmao i hate having numbers float so much, now i gotta look at words

[elfin stump]

I hate that I can switch to a grenade from the wheel

When I'm frantically scrolling for my melee

[junior needle]

Probably, but I never did check

[torn root]

can change wheel up and down to melee and range

but if the wheel stays on cycle you cant remove it

[versed merlin]

legit but i cant complain

[torn root]

probably would be a QoL change

actually

Fatshark should put visual indicatores for britleness too

realizing we have one for bleeding and taunts

[torpid pier]

For Curio on Vrak 7 Loadout, Toughness+Toughness+Gunners Resistance+ ???? go for hp for 3rd substat or is there something i need on the veteran?

[torn root]

should have one for brittle I WANT IT

[muted knot]

Ah I don't know my exact modifiers

[elfin stump]

Okay fuck the wheel, Q is my new best friend

I rummaged through keybinds and found it

[versed merlin]

its more of a matter of preference, but 3x toughness can never go wrong

[torn root]

i personally use q

its nice

[versed merlin]

or 1x wound if you feel like you're dying too much and still have some stuff to learn

[torpid pier]

wait u can have 2 x 5% toughness?!?!

[muted knot]

Q is quickswap between mellee and ranged

Use it

[torpid pier]

I didn't know that

[versed merlin]

oh you meant perks? no

[muted knot]

It's actually the best thing ever

[elfin stump]

I got poxbursted multiple times because I wanted to show the bomber my grenade instead of my chainsword

[versed merlin]

thought you were talking about curio main perk mb

[muted knot]

" I got explosions too"

gets turned into flying meat

[torpid pier]

Yea for my curio main stat going for toughness then substat : toughness, gunner resistance but now sure what to go for 3rd substat

[versed merlin]

wait you guys dont use 1 2 or 3 for your respective weapons?

[muted knot]

No that is incredibly cringe

[torpid pier]

i do with MMO mouse, it's super easy

[versed merlin]

combat ability regen or toughness regen or stam regen or gunner resistance, up to you

[torpid pier]

it's natural with my thumb resting placement

[versed merlin]

q is my special atk

i aint gonna change that

[versed merlin]

fuck that 80 buttons abomination

[muted knot]

Oh like weapon special ?

[versed merlin]

yes

[torpid pier]

haha u get used to it, especially after playing MMOs with 100 keybinds

[muted knot]

That yucky

No offense

[versed merlin]

i feel offended

[elfin stump]

Illegal customizations

[muted knot]

Sucks to suck lol

[muted knot]

Now if only that scope wasn't extreme levels of ass

[elfin stump]

It's either that or a small ass collimator or a fucking hubble telescope

[versed merlin]

bro that scope aint it

legit cant play with that 32x zoom thing

[torpid pier]

what about my keybinds with weapons on numbers 1 and 2, then dodge on number 5 and then slide on number 8 and special on space button

[elfin stump]

It's not the 32x

Oh wait

That's the wrong gun lol

[torn root]

what the FUCK is that ABOMINATION?!

[torpid pier]

damn that wep looks sick

[torn root]

BLESS, its gone

[versed merlin]

yeah thats the useable scope

[torpid pier]

didn't know a sniper like that existed

kinda cool

[versed merlin]

its a mod

[torpid pier]

aah

[torn root]

stahp!

[versed merlin]

goddamit

[torpid pier]

haha

[versed merlin]

dont press that f button

or im gonna kms

i already use weapon fov to reduce fov from some weapons ads zoom

looking at that thing hurts

[wanton dawn]

Now I know why it is called tunnel vision

[torn root]

ITS HIDEOUS

[elfin stump]

There's worse

[torpid pier]

oh no

[versed merlin]

funny thing is

you can put that shit on your revolver

[elfin stump]

Literal tunnel

[torpid pier]

bullet pov

kinda wanna try it ngl

[wanton dawn]

James bond called

He wants his trademark respected

[torpid pier]

i am blind with faraway targets that i gotta stick my face to the monitor

that mod could be helpful but I don't wanna rely on it

[elfin stump]

It's really cool!

You can mix and match weapon parts from different gun families

[versed merlin]

what do you guys think of my 128x revolver?

[torpid pier]

that is why currently loving the vrak 7 the zoom in kinda helps

[elfin stump]

Needs stock

[frank ether]

this is why we dont have longlas

[tranquil bronze]

I am so relieved that "item level" in this game isn't important.

[elfin stump]

Man I would kill for a proper sniper rifle

[frank ether]

I'd like it aswell

but please without giga scope

[versed merlin]

there is

its called

AGRIP SHOTTY

[white minnow]

I like Q and E as my ranged and melee weapons respectively

[torn root]

eeew]

[white minnow]

i also have my blitz on X since i'm an assail psyker for easier swapping

[torn root]

what's interact?

[white minnow]

my interact is Z

[torn root]

EEEW!

[white minnow]

i cri

i have a fairly small hand and i position it in a way that can reach it comfortably

[torn root]

your pinky gunna fall off

[torn root]

oh nvm then

[white minnow]

my ring finger is the one that presses Z 😎

[torn root]

my big ass hands have trouble flexxing to z

shit hurts

[torn root]

STAHP!

fucking psychopath

lmao

[white minnow]

it's something that I changed when my hand hurt from playing too much

[versed merlin]

do you guys play with esdf as well?

[white minnow]

specifically, my index finger hurt a lot from games that required it a lot

so i figured i'd take some stress off by moving interact from E or F to Z

[elfin stump]

Keybind porn

[torn root]

actually a cereal killer

i can tell

[versed merlin]

i wish

i dont, but i wish

[white minnow]

i'd probably use ESDF if WASD weren't so ingrained into me

[versed merlin]

same

[white minnow]

the only downside would be that the function key on the keyboards I have is where my pinky would rest on if I swapped to ESDF

compared to WASD where it can comfortably rest on the ctrl key

[versed merlin]

my pinky hurts to reach ctrl

[white minnow]

then again I now realize that I don't use ctrl anymore

yeah i just tried reaching ctrl and damn is that uncomfortable

[versed merlin]

so i had to swap crouch to alt

[torn root]

im dying man!

LMAO

[versed merlin]

and i always end up switching language whenever i sprint crouch

[white minnow]

i got my crouch on C because i'm worried i'll press tab while crouched and accidentally alt tab

[torn root]

lmao

[versed merlin]

because alt shift changes language in my keyboard

[white minnow]

ah that stuff too yeah

[torn root]

C i use

multiple key bind mod is good

get the classic cntrl/C crouch function

instead of just one button

[white minnow]

i have the multiple key bind mod mainly for reloading/quelling

since my reload key is V (and my crouch is C)

so I can't quell while dodge-sliding very comfortably

[torn root]

...

[versed merlin]

i installed that shit just so i could use helbore special atk

[torn root]

yall disgust me

[versed merlin]

because my special is on q and using q while walking is pain

[torpid pier]

it's impressive that people use zxcv as keybinds, it would feel super uncomfortable for me

[torn root]

I hope nurgle rots your fingers...

[white minnow]

my ring finger and thumb can comfortably reach the zxcv row

probably just hand size differences

[versed merlin]

im already rotted on the inside

[white minnow]

i'm 5'8" and I think my hand size is average for my height?

[torn root]

idk if hand size is measurable by height

[white minnow]

i'd expect it to be proportional to some extent

[torn root]

im 6ft and i have bigger hands than ppl taller than me

[torpid pier]

For me I don't like removing my hands away from wasd so I put all my keybind on thumb/pinky on left hand for shift and space or keybinds on my MMO mouse with my right hand

[tranquil bronze]

Oh... Limbspliter got a patch recently

[jolly hemlock]

we got a patch recently?

[tranquil bronze]

December 19

[versed merlin]

so glad we finally got some actual normal looking pants for vet

[versed merlin]

wait what

[jolly hemlock]

fatshark is on their winter hibernation

[tranquil bronze]

It is super viable now

[versed merlin]

oh

[junior needle]

Think it could use some cdr, personally

[sharp ember]

limbsplitter has been that way for a while, sadly the cooldown resets on any swing instead of continuously cooling down

[junior needle]

I got the multiple keybind mod so I can have a mouse button that spams lights and another that spams heavies (formerly my weapon special)

Ahk is quite helpful

[versed merlin]

i loved that cat pfp

[junior needle]

Oh, and another one that sprint slides or dodges for me depending on the direction I'm moving

[versed merlin]

oh yeah

it was a hell of a prog for me to get used to dodge slide with crouch at alt and dodge at spacebar

have to press both buttons twice very fast with my thumb

[white minnow]

rolling your thumb for that

i used to do that until i realized that you could just slap dodge onto shift along with sprint

[versed merlin]

wait really?

[white minnow]

and i had a good enough pinky from a game that required you to spam a dashing move and I had the dash mapped to shift

yeah, since you can only sprint forward and dodge backwards/sideways/some diagonal combination of backwards/sideways

so their functions are mutually exclusive

[versed merlin]

damn

thats crazy good

[white minnow]

i don't recommend it if your pinky isn't strong enough for the repeated pressing though

[versed merlin]

i wish i knew this sooner

[celest finch]

guys if i will buy verm 2, will I get these tattoos?

[versed merlin]

cause now its all too deep rooted in me

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is not like you will ever see them iG

[white minnow]

i'm quite happy to have had an early start on my keybinds

since i figured that I'd be playing this game for a long while

[torpid pier]

i have my dodge on 5 and slide on 8 and since they are on top of each other it allows me to easily dodge slide with my thumb and do the slide-dodge tech

[versed merlin]

id press 3 buttons at once if i were to use that thing

[elfin stump]

Ogryn gaming

[versed merlin]

thats like

a cellphone on the side of your mouse

[torpid pier]

yea playing wow made me get used to it since people use keybinds with all those then shift+all those numbers then alt+all those numbers

[white minnow]

is it fairly intuitive to get used to the multiple side buttons?

[versed merlin]

thank god i dont play wow

[torpid pier]

u have so many macros and abilities with just those keybinds

[wanton dawn]

no

[versed merlin]

i play something worse, but at least it doesnt require that much buttons to play

[torpid pier]

not initially but now for me it's muscle memory

[white minnow]

and also i didn't realize that there are small form factor mouses with numerous side buttons nowadays

[torpid pier]

i don't think about their placement anymore

[versed merlin]

yeah parsing in mmos be like that

[junior needle]

This place is a prison

[white minnow]

for me, my greatest wish is for there to be a "fourth" mouse button on the top above the middle mouse button, because i dislike how hard it is to press the middle mouse button on the mouses I have

[elfin stump]

Fat

[white minnow]

and then I can justify a grip where I use my ring finger for RMB

[versed merlin]

yeah

its the finger

ing

[sharp ember]

we do be convicts

[white minnow]

and where my middle finger rests comfortably on the middle portion of the mouse as god intended

[elfin stump]

finger ring

[versed merlin]

fingerring

[tranquil bronze]

The discord bot is an abomination to the Omissiah... it must be purged.

[versed merlin]

i found the solution, just be french guys

[tranquil bronze]

fingerrrrrrrrrrrrrrring

[wanton dawn]

"Doigté"

[sharp ember]

je suis un ananas

[tranquil bronze]

je suis monte

[wanton dawn]

You can't say "I am late" though

[junior grail]

Je juis ....wait, is that right?

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I only speak english and french

Dunno what you were trying to say nah. Unless it was frisky

[tranquil bronze]

I'm glad that Damnation isn't has bad as I thought it would be. I guess it helps that I have gear that is up to the task... Is it too much to ask for Ogryns to NOT bulls rush and fall to their deaths?

[elfin stump]

Ogryns be ogryns

[junior grail]

Damnation is fine as long as noone is being Malice

Its the hi shocks etc that start to make one try

[tranquil bronze]

Malice is easy mode for me now... well... more like babysitting mode.

[junior grail]

I've had Malice games that tire me out more from all the babysitting haha

Don't judge me, was trying to speedrun a map for contracts

[coarse orbit]

You could honestly just speed walk through malice and be fine

[junior grail]

Quite a spectacle though, seeing new players run away from bosses by turning around 180° and sprinting

[torn root]

BRUH

[muted knot]

I mean that's just common sense

[junior grail]

In melee range haha

No blocks, no dodges

Just a slow 3 second turn, and trying to run while being pounded in the butt

[junior needle]

I almost forgor, don't crit modifiers in ttrpg's just give you additional dice and not directly interact with your crit damage?

The crit damage modifiers that is

[muted knot]

Try that shit with chaos spawn an you get pounded real good

[torn root]

yeah but some allow you to add bonuses specifically to crits

like some rouge or slayer skills

or favored enemy bs

[junior needle]

I get that part, but like, it's not only boosting your additional damage from your crit, it's a separate flat amount? I can't recall them off the top of my head.

[torn root]

hmm

like +5 flat to a specific condition usually

[junior needle]

Or some kind of damage die

[torn root]

oh yeah the damage die thing 100%

like a crit can add 2 damage die

because we like rng

sometimes you get stuff like when you roll a max die you get to roll another 🙂

[junior needle]

Here's one, half orc savage attack

[torn root]

yes!

fucking orcs

[junior needle]

The obesefish system is just particularly weird in how it works. This still interacts with your baseline.

Or even just flat boosts are independant of anything else

[torn root]

yeah i played a couple games that just care about the damage condition it self

not the entirety

to name them accuratley off the top is just hard tho

but like it goes beyong just crits

[junior needle]

Damage condition as in the explicit amount of crit damage - noncrit damage?

[torn root]

like in Baldurs gate it technically happens with throwing

when barbs rage and throw something they add strength the the throw as blunt damage

and that can get modifyed

by items and shit specifically

[junior needle]

Yeah it's a ranged attack

[torn root]

so instead of 1 die for blunt attacks its 2 or 3

on top of the regular damage

[junior needle]

Interesting, I didn't know there was something for damage types specifically like that

[torn root]

usually from items

kusanagis wraps stuff like that

[muted knot]

Well a normal crit in DND 5e doubles your damage dice

[junior needle]

Still, quite removed from what's going on with fatshark damage tables

[torn root]

well that's fine but im talking more on the stuff that add specific dies to things

so when a character normally pushes or thorws something

you roll damage and a blunt damage die

[muted knot]

That's a bg3 thing I believe

[torn root]

but if you have like 3 items that affect it specifically you get 3 more die for that specific action

[torn root]

thats what im talking about atm

[muted knot]

Gotcha

[torn root]

its not something that just happens in BG3 its just an easy one to mention atm

cause brain is fried

i guess i do have to take back saying most games use the same formula tho

but you can find it in a few, at least the concept

[junior needle]

It do be almost 4 in the morning

[torn root]

shamless keeping me up XD

been watching a season a day...

since Friday

[sick oak]

flak on it or deathspitter 4

[muted knot]

Flak

[severe adder]

yoooo this is good right

vraks doesnt have an ammo issue does it

[muted knot]

That 0.5 % power isn't gonna make that much

[sick oak]

ok bet ty

[muted knot]

Nothing has ammo issues with survivalist aura

[torn root]

that some serious heat yer packing my G

[shadow aurora]

Bolter

[junior needle]

Vraks 3 was pretty ammo efficient back in yonder day, but that was pre talent patch when I used it. LONG time ago. You'll be fine with that, most important thing is breakpoints.

[elfin stump]

Vraks 7 is actually crazy ammo efficient

Only times I run out of ammo is when my dumbass starts mag dumping into the crowd

And you get almost three times more with Vraks 3 so I'd imagine it's the same there

[junior needle]

Well vraks 3 is a 3 round burst

It does make sense for the ammo pool to be bigger

Curious how the numbers line up though for total efficiency

[elfin stump]

Three times the spend, three times the capacity

More total damage

[frank ether]

its not too bad

with aura and %25 ammo you'll be more than fine

[elfin stump]

Okay I now see the point of +25% to flak

Body oneshotting scab shooters is fun

[slate sleet]

just spent 30 minutes shooting the graia in a auric maelstorm

its ok

def the most shooty gun in the game

[severe adder]

what blessings and perks?

[elfin stump]

Looking at this gun makes me want to cry

[severe adder]

blessings?

[elfin stump]

Yeah

[low oar]

Just get no respite and swap out efficiency, and swap carapace damage to flak

[vernal harbor]

This the shit that woulda saved cadia

[severe adder]

bruh what about this i just got it

[slate sleet]

headhunters are all about clicking heads

[severe adder]

should i get 2 blessings?

or... i dont have them but

is falter fine?

[low oar]

Opening salvo to no respite, and groaners/poxwalkers to maniacs

Falter fine if you can pair it with no respite

[junior needle]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[severe adder]

alright, ill keep that in mind

[junior needle]

Na man that's a bad combo

Well not bad but subpar

[low oar]

Increased stagger + more damage on staggered enemies?

[torn root]

bro why wouldnt you tell them to change falter

thats troll!

or just take ANOTHER damage blessing

[junior needle]

So falter is a do nothing blessing, and the damage of no respite even with that in the mix does not make up for the loss of 2 dps blessings like deadly/hh, which perform very well together.

[torn root]

put back the last message lmao

now i look like im talking to my self 😦

[junior needle]

That's unfortunately a 3/4 scuffed roll though

[valid bluff]

RIP another good shovel

[icy raven]

Falter/Stagger combo enjoyer here:

[valid bluff]

[icy raven]

I like it

feels good

kills things dead

[junior needle]

I mean, you're hitting things in the head with a high finesse mod weapon

[torn root]

kill things deader

[junior needle]

But in comparative value

the crit focus gives you considerably more

[rough mortar]

does genade sometimes fall through the floor if i throw it hard into the ground? i sometimes dont see my grenade explode

[junior needle]

It's not the worst (even if it makes your targets flinch more costing you headshots) but you can do better on the guns is my point

[slate sleet]

dunno why you would ever pass up going deadly+headhunter on any vraks

[junior needle]

The vraks 7 wants surgical iirc

But that gun is pretty scuffy

So deadly/HH is gonna come at a cost of a dead perk

[torn root]

blessing combos > perks imo

[strange sparrow]

I play whatever thing I like

[junior needle]

Depends on the gun, some are more or less useful blessing wise

[torn root]

just gotta roll the dice

[strange sparrow]

Surgical doesn’t give me much return because I’m not a Crit player

Relying on Crit fuck up my sense of TTK

I shoot into crusher death body after killing it because I Crit

[torn root]

i generally think crit is ass

except on autos

[icy raven]

I'd agree that ideally that would be better, but I don't see why you really have to lean into crits. You're one tapping most specials anyway with the burst.

If anything in most auric damnation games the efficacy is within negligible margins between them.

[junior needle]

Moar damage, also synergy with things that give the dual bonus that is finesse like the marksman keystone

[icy raven]

Moar damage to do what, to what? Bosses? It's not doing much to maulers. The only things not being torn to shreds with headshots anyway are mutants.

And I don't feel like my ttk on luggers is holding me back.

[torn root]

oh another person knows?

[severe adder]

ok so what blessings on vraks 3?

[junior needle]

You can do nutty damage to bosses with the vraks 3 actually

[versed merlin]

headhunter deadly i think

[junior needle]

Ideally headhunter/deadly

[severe adder]

but i got falters o

[versed merlin]

brick

[junior needle]

Falter is generally considered big shit because it flinches enemies

[versed merlin]

you can turn vraks 3 into a machinegun if you do weap spec which is funny

[junior needle]

I don't have crabs vraks 3 video on me atm

But uh

Let's just say insane dps with the right setup

[versed merlin]

gimme

the loadouts

[junior needle]

He had 18k dps off the top of my head, or something ridiculous. Supposedly was nerfed to only 9k.

[muted knot]

Not on lasguns

[severe adder]

how do you do that

[torn root]

well i did type generally

🙂

[junior needle]

Fire rate increase, but the crit only applies to the first burst

[muted knot]

Not disagreeing just pointing it out

[junior needle]

Most of the lasguns have great crit synergy with shock trooper and various blessings

[torpid pier]

how is the psword when dealing with maulers and crushers?

[junior needle]

Pretty good

[torpid pier]

awesome, t

ty

[versed merlin]

activate it push attack and light attack once and you killed a crusher in 2 hits

[torpid pier]

oh damn

[versed merlin]

you need talents tho

[torn root]

oh boy

[junior needle]

3 generally, I think you need a particular setup for 2

[torn root]

lemme grab the clips

[versed merlin]

im not sure if they're all necessary but i do run +15 elites and +20 ogryns

[versed merlin]

wait really?

[junior needle]

+15 elites
I found the cheater

Oh wait

THE TALENTS

Not the perks

My bad

[versed merlin]

yes

[torn root]

it's iight

[versed merlin]

but i also run that perk too

jkjk

[torpid pier]

god damn

[torn root]

ps3 deals with mauler packs pretty well tho

[torpid pier]

what blessings and perks u got on your psword?

[torn root]

ps6 not so much but you can kite em and stab em

[torpid pier]

i see

ps3 seems like the thing i will try

[torn root]

M3 got Sunder + Power Cycle [ask for more advice maybe] M6 go for Brutal Momentum + Power Cycle

[torpid pier]

gotcha, thank you

[torn root]

i think Sunder + Power Cycler makes the most sense on M3 imo

[junior needle]

Those blessing setups work for both just fyi

[torn root]

but probably get some extra input on that one

[versed merlin]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1O1xgw_7B7kDLO/d13371QtipTS?invite=cr-MSxnMnYsMjEwOTk0NjEwLA

[torn root]

they do but the moveset fluidity of PS3 makes me feel like thats why ppl like sunder on it [mostly not being slowed down]

[severe adder]

whats a good automatic? columbus mk 5? better option?

[versed merlin]

managed to 2 shot without brutal momentum

[torpid pier]

yea psword definately the play haha

[versed merlin]

i just dont like it for horde clearing

activating weapon for horde clear gives me aids

[torpid pier]

u usually use the mk3 shovel?

[versed merlin]

i use all the shovels

i love shovels

[torpid pier]

haha fair enough

[torn root]

this is with higher damage investment than what other ppl usually have but yes it can do without BM or SC

[placid portal]

Mk3 is fine

[versed merlin]

well i think those 2 talents are the best talents for vet. i run those 2 in all my loadouts

this is how much i hate bulwarks

i hate them with such a passion

makes me want to commit a delict whenever i see a bulwark parade in front of me

[placid portal]

Boy do I have a solution for you

Slaps Plasma Coil

This Bad Boy can penetrate up to 100 bulwark shields

[junior needle]

I forgor about the slowing down. Having to constantly charge for horizontals also rubs me the wrong way when there's a perfectly good horizontal light spamming alternative (even if I also dislike the slowdown). I don't like using either of them honestly, the charging mechanic as a whole is unsatisfying.

[versed merlin]

false. not even revolvers can do that

[placid portal]

?

[versed merlin]

im joking

i dont even know what plasma coil is

[placid portal]

🍹

[wanton dawn]

Here is my video proof recon can compete with columnus iag

[placid portal]

More of the rimmed top of the plasmagun

[versed merlin]

ahh

nah i hate plasma

turns my brain off when im playing it

its not fun

[placid portal]

true

[versed merlin]

also hate when i get someone in my team with plasma as well

[placid portal]

No more Kill Confirms for you

[versed merlin]

because they usually shoots everything in sight

[placid portal]

[versed merlin]

everything

[torn root]

?!

[versed merlin]

including pox bursters that im about to shove

[versed merlin]

time to nerf

[placid portal]

*Changed Recon Crit string to -1
Now you deal less damage on crit

[sick oak]

if you have sunder can u get away with low cleave on the power swords?

[wanton dawn]

yes

[sick oak]

ty

[torn root]

yup

kinda jelly at the post earlier

but realized dude basically had double 80

lmao

[junior needle]

You can get away with it without sunder last I checked

[torn root]

still jelly

[versed merlin]

@junior needle so i downloaded the debuff on enemy mod and mk3 shovel heavy atk activated applies 6 stacks of skullcrusher in a crusher (prob 8 if t4 blessing) which is pretty huge i think

[white minnow]

yeah cleave targets does not scale very much on special attacks

[torn root]

charges psword has a minimum cleave of 4 targets last i checked no?

[white minnow]

nah it's subject to the same cleave rules as any other attack

sunder might give it a minimum target count but I haven't check if it's just because monstrosities have an unexpectedly low hitmass or that's how it actually works

i know that sunder lets you hit three plague ogryns

[versed merlin]

for everything else, including idle maulers and ragers, it also applies the same amount of stacks with only 1 light attack while activated

[junior needle]

MrCreme said something to the effect of 400% cleave and 3 target minimum with sunder

[wanton dawn]

Nah, without sunder you cannot hit more than 2 mauler or 2 flak rager

Or 1 crusher

Don't quote me on that last one

For the other two I know cuz it was kinda important for rampage activation

[junior needle]

Does the tooltip still say 4 stacks or am I thinking of thunderous

[white minnow]

on special attacks, 80% cleave targets is 11.7 cleave and 60% cleave targets is 10.9 cleave, so you can feel pretty comfortable dumping cleave targets

[versed merlin]

its 3 on my t3 blessing so im guessing its proccing twice

[white minnow]

probably because they changed brittleness stacks to be 2.5% each now right?

[versed merlin]

it doesnt mention they stack but apparently they do

[white minnow]

brittleness stacks used to be 5% each so it's giving double than before

[torn root]

BRO

FUCK MY LIFE

MY 1ST 380

AND ITS SHITE

WHY 60 PEN?!

[muted knot]

Don't worry it'll happen many times

[versed merlin]

could be 69 at the very least

[torn root]

ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS DUMP MOBILITY!

AND IT WAS GOLDEN!

[trim hemlock]

I honestly would prefer dump Penetration than dump Mobility

[coarse orbit]

f

[trim hemlock]

Why do you need Pene when Uncanny Strike is a blessing that exists?

[versed merlin]

also kantrael shotty slug procs skullcrusher if you shoot it and swap to melee weapon which is huge

[grave panther]

Searching for a +1 party member for hardcore boss fight. Join Strike team 3. ^^

[versed merlin]

just found that out

goddamn this debuff mod is crazy

[torn root]

80 pen 60 mobility is 100% better than 60 pen 80 mobility

infinitely better

[coarse orbit]

Literally anything that has 60 mobility is better lol

[versed merlin]

im not sure if that pen will be needed for horde clearing

[trim hemlock]

No, the differences matter, but there is an argument for both IMO

[torn root]

fatshark i hate you

....

[torn root]

when its above 50 that's all you need

for max dodges

[wanton dawn]

Not really nah. Any advantage that mobility could give would be offset by any amount of latency

[torn root]

everything else from mobility is kinda meh

[trim hemlock]

And why do you need Pene if you will likely be using Uncanny Strike anyway?

[coarse orbit]

something something minmax

[trim hemlock]

Mobility = less stamina used throughout the map. That can be better pacing, less time spend scrounging for supplies, longer dodges

[white minnow]

dodge count is also continuous but the game rounds it up when showng you so there is some marginal effect there

[torn root]

stamina regen exists

[wanton dawn]

That's QoL. At least if you mentioned dodge from sprint I would consider it a good-faith argument

[torn root]

and if you valued the drain that much the curio perk also exists

which has more effect

[trim hemlock]

That does not undermine the effectiveness of mobility on your weapon in any way, if anything, it enhances it.

[torn root]

mobility is the dump stat lmao

100%

[trim hemlock]

And you need a curio effect for it

WHY do you need the Pene soldier

You still haven’t answered this question

[torn root]

especially on a weapon that wants 3 damage stats to be better to say you would take 60 pen for 80 mobility is crazy

[wanton dawn]

Doesn't even affect sprint speed on shovel

[torn root]

LMAO

[umbral scaffold]

The real question is if it affects breakpoints

[torn root]

NOT EVEN A DIFFERENCE IN SPRINT SPEED OR COST

WAIT

[torn root]

pen?

yes

[trim hemlock]

What do you mean it doesn’t, it says -0.45 to 0.45

[umbral scaffold]

If going from 60 to 80 pen is going to be you missing a kill or not

[wanton dawn]

Now tbf this is gamelantern, not ig info

[torn root]

My bad its not even possible for it to have been 0% anyway

[white minnow]

oh yeah you'd probably know this
is the correct interpretation of this section of the patch notes that rending% on carapace is hard capped at 50%?

[umbral scaffold]

Only thing I care about is if it has max dodges or not

[torn root]

its 380

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

If it's max dodges then it's good

[torn root]

like why are we even arguing pen vs mobility which should be dumped

[umbral scaffold]

Sprint speed is whatever

[wanton dawn]

From my understanding, it means that rending get 1/4 efficiency after 50% on carapace.

[torn root]

its 380 if the value was gunna be low it would only be 60

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge distance is good but shovel has good dodge distance anyway

[wanton dawn]

In other word, rending on carapace is not really good if your weapon has inate 50+% on carapace

[umbral scaffold]

No I mean that with the mobility stat
The only thing I care about it is if the stat gives.me the max dodges on the weapon or not

[wanton dawn]

fair, still not a good look though

[torn root]

aaah so at 50% + that all that matters

i was arguing that

tf do i want 80 mobility for?

lmao

[trim hemlock]

Not everyone will appreciate it, that much I can say

[umbral scaffold]

Mobility is the dump stat for sure
But it's why I was talking about if losing pen is the breakpoint or not + is if 60 mobility is giving max dodges or not

Easy answer is just that less swings is always better

[torn root]

100% a dump stat especially on a 380

[umbral scaffold]

Especially if the game gives me max dodges as it is

[wanton dawn]

wtf

[umbral scaffold]

There's an argument to be made on if an extra swing vs an extra dodge is a comparable sacrifice

[versed merlin]

yeah on a standard shovel, 60 pen probably dont change much because you're unlikely to use that thing outside of horde clearing

[umbral scaffold]

Which is where the real discussion is

[muted knot]

What the fu k

[umbral scaffold]

But if it's max dodges already it doesn't matter

Sprint speed is a meme

[torn root]

sprinting is defensive

[umbral scaffold]

Like 90% of the time

[torn root]

makes sense

lmao

[wanton dawn]

Man I sure have a lot to learn about shovel stats

[muted knot]

It's not standard shovel tho is it ?

[versed merlin]

it is

[torn root]

this shovel will now be my meme weapon

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge count is probably my favorite stat in this game

[muted knot]

Oh it is

[umbral scaffold]

If I can't have more dodges I might as well just be playing back for blood

And I hate b4b

[torn root]

oh god

ppl still play that?

[umbral scaffold]

There's an odd 1k ish I think yeah

[wanton dawn]

Anyhow, the efficiency of mobility in actual combat is almost impossible to measure because of latency

besides the dodge count

so 50+%

[umbral scaffold]

1600 atm*

Ye

Apparently average players is 2k

[torn root]

I have words of dissapointment for that game

it had such potentioal

[umbral scaffold]

I think it's an ok game that was too overhyped and overpriced for what it offered

[torn root]

ppl gave up on it kinda early

[umbral scaffold]

Comparing yourself to l4d2 is a high bar

[wanton dawn]

Game designer should have learn that you should not tie mobility to stats since ds2

[torn root]

^

[versed merlin]

has anyone been experiencing some stuttering in this game recently? think it started last week or so for me and its pretty annoying. it gets specially worse at the lobby

[umbral scaffold]

And it's nowhere near as good from the workshop content

Which is the real issue

Same with Callisto protocol lol

Decent game
But if you say "I'm dead space remake"

You better be dead space remake

[torn root]

BRO THIS GAME GOT HYPED SO MUCH

then faded in 2 weeks

[umbral scaffold]

I was hyped af for it

[wanton dawn]

I am dead, SPACE REMAKE

[umbral scaffold]

And then it was just
Super mid

Ironically

[muted knot]

I think min maxing everything and dumping levels into iframes is a great system :^)

[umbral scaffold]

The actual dead space remake was the true dead space remake everyone wanted

EA actually did something right pog?

[umbral scaffold]

Ye ive had it sometimes

Even had black screens where I had sounds and music and my character was taking damage

But it went into a weird loading state and forced me to restart my game

[wanton dawn]

I sure love to put stats into getting that sweet frame data reliable on 60ms latency tied to 24 fps game due to bad optimization

[umbral scaffold]

( my internet was fine )

[wanton dawn]

Now let's catch the frame bus. We mario NES folks

[muted knot]

I love my pvp enemy's phasing through my UGS strike with a back hop and parrying the same attack right after

[wanton dawn]

SUBPIXEL DODGE

[wanton dawn]

Then running 3 circles, swapping armor and putting dagger through inventory with hornet ring by the time you recover

Competitive dark souls sure is something

[muted knot]

Man I love ds2

I really do

But the pvp was ass

[wanton dawn]

I cant love the pvp swap metagame

[muted knot]

The one thing I did like was the multiple stage parry

[wanton dawn]

It feel sweaty just by mentioning it

[muted knot]

Yeah it's bad

It was my first souls game so I wasnt that sweaty yet

yet

[wanton dawn]

Did not go through ds2. Felt too "all over the place" for my taste

[rough mortar]

Does activating ranged specialist +33% critical hit chance per stack mean with 3 stacks of ranged specialist i can get 99% crit chance?

[sharp ember]

yes, but for only 1 bullet

[torn root]

I dont like souls pvp that much

latency and just the net-coding

is just a miss for me

[umbral scaffold]

Same

People tell me
Bro it's so fire

[torn root]

basically fighting after images of ppl

[umbral scaffold]

And then I see shit like hits being 2 seconds delayed

Lmfao

[wanton dawn]

Having to go out of your way to get stuff and consomable

[umbral scaffold]

If I wanted laggy melee combat I'd play vt2 and connect to EU

[torn root]

ac6 is a similar problem, not on the netcode front tho

[wanton dawn]

Limited stat distribution

You should not have to go through filesystem to get a decent experience

[umbral scaffold]

I'm okay with limited stat distribution and consumable farming

Even if they're pretty toxic for the long-term gameplay loop

It's the fact it feels awful to pvp that's my problem

Just a whole bunch of rolling around like headless chickens

And stunlocking each other

[wanton dawn]

You dont like lagstab ?

[umbral scaffold]

Feels like I'm playing underwater

[wanton dawn]

Or debuff going through dodge ?

[umbral scaffold]

Dark Souls 2 hitbox genius tier

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-skill-issue-gif-23859816

How it feels playing fromsoft pvp games

[wanton dawn]

Should have put more stat in iframe madude

[versed merlin]

Yeah aside of that is the weird desync/teleport in the corridor before the med station room at that latest mission that came out, the one you got to destroy the green juice stuff

[umbral scaffold]

Game having a heart attack from the servers-

[versed merlin]

I played ds1 and I loved it

Played ds2 and quit after 10 minutes

[wanton dawn]

Ds2 is pretty weird

[versed merlin]

Now after ds3 and er ain't no way I'm giving that abomination another go

[torn root]

that stat was dogshit

actually had to put that game down

felt even worse when i found out the original guy didnt even work on it

[versed merlin]

Yeah if it were, you'd see lots of naked feet in the game

[wanton dawn]

Ds2 looked like more of a fan project to me than a mainline

[versed merlin]

Barefeet is miyazaki watermark

[rough mortar]

does weapon specialist not work with Helbore special attack with bayonett? cos if we stay in helbore weapon it is not considered switching to ranged weapon

[wanton dawn]

No, it is not a melee for keystone

[versed merlin]

Speaking of

[wanton dawn]

Well, probably spaghet involved anyway

[versed merlin]

Does helbore still benefit from bromentum?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[versed merlin]

Time to pull the tac axe

[wanton dawn]

I use psword. Need anti armor cleave

Mauler and crusher are a pain

[torn root]

.>

[versed merlin]

Just shoot them

[torn root]

ye

[wanton dawn]

I dont bring hellbore to shoot

[versed merlin]

Lmao

Fair enough

Man

[torn root]

HB = Gun Lance

got it

[versed merlin]

That's one of the quotes of all time

[umbral scaffold]

Hellbore

More like
Boss killer

Laughed out loud one auric when a veteran tried to 1v1 a BoN

( it ate him and then spat him into the void )

Unlucky

[wanton dawn]

That would not be the 1st time on this discord, believe me or not

[torn root]

think about it you hold it like a lance, lunge it like a lance

and then you shoot

[versed merlin]

That would be very cool tbh

Just like that ogryn gauntlet

Which its special atk you punch and shoot a grenade or whatever that is

[wanton dawn]

Everybody knows that lunging a sniper makes the bullet go faster

[versed merlin]

So about uelbores

What is the mk2 good at that mk1 and 3 don't cover?

[wanton dawn]

Shoot faster

[versed merlin]

[dusty plaza]

Does anyone know exactly how long the internal cooldown on the survivalist aura is?

[wanton dawn]

There's an internal cd on survivalist ?

[dusty plaza]

Seems like around 1 second

[wanton dawn]

Never seen mentioned nor discussed.

[dusty plaza]

Well I'm sorta testing it out in the meatgrinder now

And if I kill two elites or specials in very quick succession, I only get ammo on the first

But if I kill more than one with a single bullet, I do get 2

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like decimal rounding on a gun with less than a hundred bullet reserve

[dusty plaza]

Ahhh that makes sense

You can get fractional bullets

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, twas a nerf cuz round up made some weapon busted

So now there is internal decimal counter

[dusty plaza]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

Just hammering out the details on a revolver vet build I've been polishing

And was making some notes on the ammo economy. But that tracks.

I've put together this one: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b0ae5f4-dd13-48f5-902a-b1c2e38f5eb0

And have been absolutely wrecking damnation+ with it

[sonic elk]

Intriguing

[wanton dawn]

Rampage on PS is rather poor rn due to bad activation cap on elite and less efficient than bm for horde clear. Either bm or sunder are better in practice.

[dusty plaza]

I have tried it with Sunder, which is nice, but the added damage reduces a lot of elites to 1 hits

[wanton dawn]

Rampage has trouble activating on mauler, bulwark, crusher and scab ragers.

[dusty plaza]

Although I've tried it with several of my PSs at this point, and the only make-or-break attributes I've found are cycler and a high damage/mobility stat

I feel like on damnation+ there's just always a horde there to keep it active

And if you do have space then the revolver is a faster way to pick them off anyway, with the penetration usually netting you more than 1 kill per bullet, effectively giving you bonus ammo

Assuming they are bunched up enough that cleave would have been relevant

[wanton dawn]

For cleave comparaison my benchmark is no ammo maelstrom

[dusty plaza]

That specific maelstrom has ridiculous elite density though, way more than any other modifier

I haven't tried it on that specific one since I tend to go with plasma for the added pierce because of all the bulwarks

Feel like I run into a wall of them every time I turn a corner

So it's nice to be able to shoot them in the face without needing to soften them up or bait them

[sonic elk]

Question, is the Chainaxe any good?

[dusty plaza]

It's certainly one of the weapons in the game

I like it on zealot. The extra attack speed makes the heavies less clunky.

On vet I found the slow speed kind of oppressive

[sonic elk]

Hmmm

[dusty plaza]

I would say I prefer the chainsword for the vet, personally. It feels faster and more mobile, and the attack pattern is nice.

[umbral scaffold]

I still find them painful to use, but they work I guess

[versed merlin]

does anyone knows or have a vraks 3 setup that does big damaj that they can share?

[dusty plaza]

Since you don't have any mobility based abilities on the vet, the class is more sensitive to mobility attributes

[sonic elk]

It's just that of every veteran I've seen, not one of them used a chainaxe

[dusty plaza]

I've seen it a fair amount on damnation, but I don't think I've seen it on aurics

[versed merlin]

@junior needle 🥺

[muted knot]

Yes chainsword gang

[frank ether]

yes

do you need help with building one?

chaxe meta is fairly simple

[sonic elk]

Sure, I'll take a rundown

[frank ether]

you go for usual perks like flak/maniac as this covers most of the dangerous enemies

as for blessings its good to go for damage blessings like slaughterer/headtaker

Vet can have like %25 attack speed so slow swings are not a problem

tho honestly you probably don't even need attack speed

[strange sparrow]

Vets weapon in general doesn’t have attack speed problem

[elder vessel]

Zealot gets even more attack speed

[strange sparrow]

It’s not like he have a heavy evis

[dusty plaza]

You going weapons specialist?

[spiral epoch]

what do I swap here, flak and ?

or maybe unarmoured > carapace if this is my mauler/crusher weapon?

[river escarp]

My game keeps crashing mid game

[strange sparrow]

Blood letter is a weak blessing imo

[frank ether]

no

I dont feel the need

[strange sparrow]

But that’s just my opinion

Feel like hadron bricked it

[dusty plaza]

Then how are you getting the attack speed?

[frank ether]

I don't

[dusty plaza]

Then I really do think it feels slow and clunky. It's the sticky attacks that do it for me.

[frank ether]

then get weapon specialist .d

if you dont like sticky attacks

you're not gonna like any chain weapon

[dusty plaza]

I mean, they don't have sticky attacks

[frank ether]

the sticky revs on chainaxe are not for cleave its to quickly nuke elites and specials

[dusty plaza]

They havea sticky special

[pliant rain]

i use this with right side melee crit talents and it works well, maybe ill switch shred to IV and crit damage to flak or something else

[dusty plaza]

But that's not the same as sticky normal attacks

[pliant rain]

bloodletter is nice

i hate my other chainswords with rampage and cleave perks

[dusty plaza]

I use the other ones quite a lot. It's the fact that the fast attacks stick and have no cleave. Maybe the new chain axe is different or something, but I really just always regret bringing it into the game whenever I equip it.

So doing anything against a horde means heavy attacks, and those are slow on the chain axe imo

[strange sparrow]

My problem with bloodletter is the only thing I rev up against is Cara

And they are resistant to bleed

[dusty plaza]

Rev is great against bulwarks, but I don't know if bloodletter actually gives you a breakpoint or if you kill them on 1 reved up hit anyway

[strange sparrow]

14 bleed is pretty good against bulwark

Because they aren’t resistant to it that much

[dusty plaza]

The stun rev gives in combination with the block push attacks makes it good against ragers too, but they generally go down in 1 hit regardless

[strange sparrow]

But at that point I be throwing krak grenade

[dusty plaza]

That said I would probably prefer more cleave, even at rank 1

[strange sparrow]

[pliant rain]

Wouldnt use bloodletter on the old chainsword , i rev a lot of enemys and if they dont die they sure bleed to death in seconds. my also works well against Bosses with +unyielding

Its a nice allrounder

[kind patrol]

any good suggestions for shovel modifiers and blessings?

for the sapper shovel

[dusty plaza]

I'm definitely running savage sweep on mine, but I can't remember if the other is rampage or shred on my vet's chainsword

[strange sparrow]

Yea in general 14 bleed and one heavy rev kill almost everything tbh

Except crusher

[dusty plaza]

I wish the chain weapons had a can opener type blessing

[strange sparrow]

It do be feeling like that

[dusty plaza]

Like that and bloodletter would be awesome

[strange sparrow]

What do you mean my chain weapon can’t break his armor