because it would blow your arms off with the recoil
#veteran-class
strange sparrow
tall torrent
Those are laspacks
Autoguns got replaced because 30r mag and all the logistic problems
wanton dawn
tis my mission to help ppl see the light
tall torrent
Lasgun packs are supposedly capable of firing like 190 shots before reloading
terse idol
We'd fire 1 shot and it'd fly out of my hands
torn root
also thought it was the kinda that had like next to no ammo
terse idol
also thought it was the kinda that had like next to no ammo
Uh
torn root
like they only shoot like 6 ish shots
strange sparrow
We'd fire 1 shot and it'd fly out of my hands
Also It's heretical to wield Astartes Bolter
You would get instantly sentenced
terse idol
I mean the funny part is nobody mentions where astartes keep extra mags
Are we assuming they have bolter magazine tac vests
swift ingot
I mean you’d completely maim yourself if you fired a single shot from an astartes bolter 
strange sparrow
The Machine God does not approve normal human to use Space Marine Weapon as it is bound to it's user
terse idol
Yeahh
dry knoll
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun - Sisters of Battle have their own patterns as I thought, Arbites and Enforcers use their own versions too.
terse idol
Tech priests would climb out of the woodnwork to turn you into a servitor instantly
torn root
The Machine God does not approve normal human to use Space Marine Weapon as it i...
we shouldnt have the ones that shoot more than 10 rounds then XD
terse idol
we shouldnt have the ones that shoot more than 10 rounds then XD
Theyre not astartes bolters
strange sparrow
we shouldnt have the ones that shoot more than 10 rounds then XD
Oh that’s just the mini bolter that the sister of battle use
strange sparrow
It use less powerful stuff
tall torrent
We have like a bajillion broken faulty power swords laying around
strange sparrow
Sister of Battle are pretty common so yeah
terse idol
Yeahhh
swift ingot
Yeah the Bolter we use is an Arbites pattern
dry knoll
Locke Mk IIb Spearhead Boltgun
A variant of an old Adeptus Arbites design, Lock-pattern boltguns are known for their reliability and stopping power.[92b] A boltgun pattern that has found use in the Moebian Domain.[92a]
This is the one we use, it's nothing to do with Astartes, Sisters or other bodies outside of the arbites
muted knot
A astartes boltgun would take off our arm
swift ingot
I wish they never removed the weapon descriptions they were awesome
terse idol
I knew the writer was powerful
dry knoll
Arbites are more Judge Dredd than police
terse idol
Well judge dredge is just future police
torn root
Arbites are more Judge Dredd than police
same shit in WarHammer
terse idol
🤓
strange sparrow
Police brutality expanded
torn root
settings are pretty similar when you think of it
torn root
minus the hordes of space entities wanting to end the population of humanity
terse idol
Pretty much
strange sparrow
I’m gonna say it again
dry knoll
There's local enforcers, thats the baseline police, deal with small planetary or hive things. Then Arbites are more system police, they dont deal with the little stuff. But will get involved in important maters
strange sparrow
15/90 mag of bolt gun are dogshit
hollow ibex
how is the graia IAG now?
strange sparrow
turn my discord off
hollow ibex
i know it was buffed, but haven't tried it
swift ingot
I just want a bolt pistol already, the model exists but they keep it from us
terse idol
There's local enforcers, thats the baseline police, deal with small planetary or...
Oh the feds
swift ingot
Here’s a better picture of the model
torn root
I just want a bolt pistol already, the model exists but they keep it from us
i think its ugly
dry knoll
neat
swift ingot
I think it’s beautiful
strange sparrow
There's local enforcers, thats the baseline police, deal with small planetary or...
I don’t remember enforcers being mentioned a lot as they’re just local security forces paid by cartel/noble
swift ingot
And has a great personality
swift ingot
Bolt pistols can hold 6-10 rounds
strange sparrow
While arbiters is the actual department doing policing and stuff
swift ingot
Sometimes 12
torn root
Bolt pistols can hold 6-10 rounds
so 6
swift ingot
I’d be completely ok with that
swift ingot
It won’t be as slow as the Bolter I know that for sure
strange sparrow
It won’t be as slow as the Bolter I know that for sure
Hopium
swift ingot
Indeed
strange sparrow
swift ingot
Half the air I breathe is hopium
dry knoll
I don’t remember enforcers being mentioned a lot as they’re just local security ...
Yeah, thats specifically for the Moebian sector, each sector has it's own 'thing'. Arbites are serious crimes only people though so generally it's safe to say it's similar elsewhere with local police, enforcers, cartels what have you. "Arbitrators care little for such trivialities, and enforce the serious crimes against the Imperium while leaving such petty matters to local officials.
Murder or theft, for example, are considered inconsequential unless they affect the interests of the wider Imperium directly,"
swift ingot
Because I refuse to give into the “it’s so over”
strange sparrow
Yeah, thats specifically for the Moebian sector, each sector has it's own 'thing...
On my way to beat up dissident in a protest kind of job
swift ingot
Arbites go hard
terse idol
Well that one psyker voice keeps mentioning they were enforcers
tall torrent
Next week rotation is savlar chem dogs?
strange sparrow
The Water Cartel mission
dusty sluice
does this miss any breakpoints?
swift ingot
Also the lawbringer shotgun is an Arbites weapon as well
tall torrent
does this miss any breakpoints?
Vraks3 doesn’t care about breakpoints as much, you essentially just treat it as “burst infantry autogun”
pale lotus
Arbites are basically just the Imperial equivalent of the FBI or CIA
swift ingot
Well that one psyker voice keeps mentioning they were enforcers
Yeah the savant worked with enforcers but was barely tolerated because most people in the imperium despise psykers
dusty sluice
Vraks3 doesn’t care about breakpoints as much, you essentially just treat it as ...
ah lol, are there no really important ones then?
tall torrent
ah lol, are there no really important ones then?
As long as u can 1-2 burst most enemies (except maulers and mutants) and 1 burst regular shooters you’re fine
Don’t count on the 1 burst
swift ingot
https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130
I’m partial to the Dredd film starting Karl Urban
That movie fucked
dry knoll
such a great film
swift ingot
Mmhhmm
dusty sluice
As long as u can 1-2 burst most enemies (except maulers and mutants) and 1 burst...
also trying to figure out helbore mk1 breakpoints
tall torrent
also trying to figure out helbore mk1 breakpoints
1 tap gunner, shotgunner, bomber, trapper, sniper, all regular shooters
1-2 tap flamer, rager
4 tap mauler (bodyshot, needs surgical to crit)
2 tap reaper
If u can get those, you’re fine
swift ingot
I’ve been thinking about what the heavy variant of the revolver would be like, maybe they’ll go the side grade route to prevent shattering the balance
torn root
again
so weird how ppl talk about break points
like at what damage ranges
with what modifyers
dusty sluice
1 tap gunner, shotgunner, bomber, trapper, sniper, all regular shooters
1-2 tap ...
ye mine does that, ty
tall torrent
U could 1 tap scab rager with flak but I think it’s less important of a breakpoint
dusty sluice
still annoyed that i had to put uamr on this to one hit regular enemies for the silly
swift ingot
Or maybe it’ll be drastically different, maybe be single action? Or it could be double action like the other revolvers but work sort of like the R8 from CS?
terse idol
I think they should step away from revolver for the tiime the two variations Hit well enojgh
And they did ,"solve" some problems by nerfing handcanon
swift ingot
I agree, but I just like speculating
crude ermine
There we go, 3rd times the charm
swift ingot
I know it in my gut that the light variant of the Laspistol will be burst fire, specifically a 2 or 3 round burst
terse idol
The 500 magnum revolver
swift ingot
.500 Smith and Wesson
terse idol
viscid vessel
stuck gorge
im curious about surgical, if you ads to gain stacks then un ads do you keep the stacks?
tall torrent
im curious about surgical, if you ads to gain stacks then un ads do you keep the...
No
torn root
ngl that also defeats the purpose
strange sparrow
I hate Hellbore Stats rolling
tall torrent
Don’t think abt surgical too hard, it’s just a bit of extra crit chance when you normally ADS and try to hit headshots
strange sparrow
Also Surgical should only net you 10% all the time
Because how fast is onslaught
tall torrent
For mk2 you get around 1-2 stacks of surgical if at max onslaught stacks
swift ingot
@terse idol Ok so in the past I tried to find out what cartridge the revolver fires and surprisingly it very closely resembles a .500 S&W
strange sparrow
Some people run no respite because they feel it’s insignificant to put surgical on Hellbore mk2
tall torrent
That’s still up to +20% crit chance just by playing the gun normally
No respite is also fine
Makes bayonet extra funny
stuck gorge
<@165188614848774147> Ok so in the past I tried to find out what cartridge the r...
bro the accuracy if you fired the revolver in that state 
swift ingot
Yeah
Also the bullets look more like the 600 grain version rather than the regular version
Here’s the image of the glitched revolver but better cropped
Basically one to one
wanton dawn
Somebody should do a dt cosplay with the glitched revolver
swift ingot
I am so grateful that this image exists because I couldn’t figure it out just going off the diameter
autumn bramble
i thought that was a derringer for a second
echo hawk
Here’s the image of the glitched revolver but better cropped
You can shoot this gun for real, but only once
tiny summit
Also Surgical should only net you 10% all the time
Its still plenty and during the charge time and lining up shots
tiny summit
Some people run no respite because they feel it’s insignificant to put surgical ...
I feel it's insignificant to put onslaught. Surgical I still want free shots
umbral scaffold
chaos grabbed me when i was out of reach and just threw me out of map on the roof
xd
reconnect it s
inland orchid
It’s happened a few times to other unlucky rejects, even me 
That lad really got all the arm game in that lil tentacle
tiny summit
Which direction do you dodge the chaos spawn grab?
inland orchid
Any tbh, i got lucky when face blocking one with a cheeky side dodge on his face
dire olive
bro the accuracy if you fired the revolver in that state <:staregryn:10220850838...
The bullets would fire 100% accurately into the floor after the case explodes into a banana peel
rustic lion
Anyone got a link to a veteranomicon or smthn?
tall torrent
Anyone got a link to a veteranomicon or smthn?
Doesn’t exist
rustic lion
Dang
wild lantern
vet don't need it, the class is broken, not like the other who need a micon for not taking shit
sadly
rustic lion
Well. I figured since the way skill trees work there were optimal choices
And preferred skills to combat type
upper tangle
What are the good melee options atm? Im just starting my post 30 climb
wild lantern
power sword, always has been sadly
upper tangle
Guides tend to be woefully out of date
wild lantern
if you have a hard time survive devil claw can teach you to use block/special attack
lofty lintel
Anything except taxes
tall torrent
Dang
Veteran has way too many options available and nobody can agree with each other enough or have the energy to make smth like that so yea
wild lantern
and if you're not a meta slave like me cadia chainsword is big
upper tangle
im lookin to have fun and not choose a terrible weapon
wild lantern
it might be the best non brutal momentum anti horde melee weapon
rustic lion
I was mostly asking for a friend to have a handy primer for good choices
shut flax
A lot of Veteran weapon choices are "this is best" followed by a 'BUT IS IT RLY"
tall torrent
im lookin to have fun and not choose a terrible weapon
As long as you’re not playing recon lasguns or shredder autopistol, you made the right choice
upper tangle
As long as you’re not playing recon lasguns or shredder autopistol, you made the...
I dont recall recon lasguns?
hellbore?
wild lantern
laser minigun
tiny summit
Anyone got a link to a veteranomicon or smthn?
Vets will number crunch breakpoints all day but will still be the marine class and not believe in books
wild lantern
laser go brrrrr
shut flax
Helbore are the single shot ones. Recon are the rapid fire lasguns that vary from tickling to aggressive touching.
rustic lion
Vets will number crunch breakpoints all day but will still be the marine class a...
Ogryns believe in books more than vets
wild lantern
As long as you’re not playing recon lasguns or shredder autopistol, you made the...
there far from terrible unless you do'nt take any form or rending/britlenes from the tree and try to kill a crusher
tall torrent
hellbore?
Helbore lasguns are all good, especially mk1 and mk2 being incredibly versatile weapons that can handle basically anything the game throws at u
Mk3 is unwieldy but packs serious damage
wild lantern
bayonnette charge is the best change my mind
tall torrent
there far from terrible unless you do'nt take any form or rending/britlenes from...
They’re not unplayable, they’re just outclassed in every way
They don’t kill specialists or gunners fast enough
tall torrent
with what you compare them ?
What are u comparing them to
wild lantern
all ranged weapons ?
tall torrent
First off they don’t have good maniac dmg
So you really can’t argue with the specialist killing side of things
wild lantern
specialist are not only maniac but ok
next
tall torrent
specialist are not only maniac but ok
next
Flamers, trappers, mutants
Bomber and sniper are made out of paper, anything can kill them easily
shut flax
Depending on the build, specialists are the most valuable target for a veteran as well
tall torrent
For a weapon class with super low recoil they should be better at handling ranged targets as well but they don’t compete nearly as good as headhunter autoguns, helbore or infantry lasguns
In a mass gunner scenario recon just doesn’t kill them fast enough
swift ingot
On every class, bombers and flamers are usually what I target first, mainly because I don’t like not being able to see shit because of fire
tall torrent
In a mass gunner scenario recon just doesn’t kill them fast enough
Not to mention the ammo economy being horrible
wild lantern
Not to mention the ammo economy being horrible
of a recon ? lol you're joking right ?
tall torrent
of a recon ? lol you're joking right ?
Did you forget them nerfing shock trooper?
strange sparrow
Yea recon suck now because innate shock trooper cd
So you can’t unlimited ammo despite Crit proc now
swift ingot
What’s the cooldown on shock trooper?
wild lantern
Did you forget them nerfing shock trooper?
don't change anythign
strange sparrow
Also it’s damage profile against maniac lose out badly
tall torrent
don't change anythign
lol what
strange sparrow
As you play higher and higher difficulty, it’s DPS suck balls
sharp ember
What’s the cooldown on shock trooper?
i reckon it's less of a cooldown and a hard limit of "1 bullet per crit string"
strange sparrow
It’s ammo economy suck because it take so much to kill Maniac
tall torrent
Shock trooper only applying to first crit in chain and recon crit chains nerfed
That’s not “changing anything”
strange sparrow
And as you progress higher and higher up the difficulty, there’s more maniac
wild lantern
instead of not losing ammo like in patch 13 we now lose 10% ammo in a whole game, in which multiverse its "horrible" for a 1000 ammo weapon lol
swift ingot
i reckon it's less of a cooldown and a hard limit of "1 bullet per crit string"
Ah I see, yeah that makes sense
white minnow
a multiverse where the 1k ammo weapon has bad damage per shot
strange sparrow
I’m just gonna say, it’s Bad DPS is what cause Recon to have bad ammo economy
wild lantern
i reckon it's less of a cooldown and a hard limit of "1 bullet per crit string"
its the crit bullet who get proc/refund and not the whole string like it was a release
strange sparrow
If you take twice the amount of ammo to kill something
It just ain’t that great
Especially if you compared it to C5 IAG
tall torrent
Don’t even need to compare to Columnus
strange sparrow
I mean if we want to, might as well compare it to the best rn
tiny summit
You can run recon in auric damns. Most other weapons are basically gonna outperform it with the same build
strange sparrow
^
tall torrent
A helbore1/2 goes ammo neutral/positive while expending 4~6 ammo per shot
wild lantern
a multiverse where the 1k ammo weapon has bad damage per shot
you just look at dmg ? not dps ? not ammo pool ? a weapon is not just dmg, its a whole tool blessed by the empra
strange sparrow
Uh…
tall torrent
Vraks3 usually goes ammo negative but you can shoot at basically anything that’s not a mutant
strange sparrow
I mean yeah if you’re larping
tall torrent
It kills crushers in 4-5 bursts
tiny summit
I wanna give recon a w. It's a combination of all its variables and the obvious fact you choose recon or something else...it's by relative sense kinda dog water
strange sparrow
it fuckin suck
white minnow
you just look at dmg ? not dps ? not ammo pool ? a weapon is not just dmg, its a...
Im responding to your comment that only remarked on the ammo that recon has
tall torrent
There’s really no big upside to recon besides high firerate and zero recoil
white minnow
and my comment was an addendum remarking on the individual damage per shot
tall torrent
But there’re other low recoil weapons that just outperform u
white minnow
you can go do the math of high ammo * low damage per shot = what ammo economy do you get?
tiny summit
you just look at dmg ? not dps ? not ammo pool ? a weapon is not just dmg, its a...
Recons have low dmg per shot, with low dps, knee capped range dmg values, new shock trooper interaction all come together to a weapon that underperforms.
strange sparrow
Recon Las just suck badly right now and I hope they make it better soon
All the lasgun right now ain’t that great except Hellbore
And that’s because Bayonet 50%
tall torrent
Laspistol is fine but that range falloff is pretty limiting
tiny summit
Infantry Las and laspistols are fine
tall torrent
Helbore’s gun portion is fine
Infantry lasguns are kinda fine
I wish they all had 1 cleave tho
strange sparrow
I tried Infantry Las, can’t play it without full automod tbh
tiny summit
Glaring issue for vet is plasma as it exists with its value and answer to everything
swift ingot
Laspistol is perfect in every way
tiny summit
I tried Infantry Las, can’t play it without full automod tbh
Skill issue. Simply as. /j
raw steppe
the true problem is ammo aura
tall torrent
Laspistol is perfect in every way
I tried it, the range falloff is real
strange sparrow
Skill issue. Simply as. /j
Fr ✊
raw steppe
cuz plasma actually gets countered
tiny summit
Like I don't understand people having a aversion to semi
strange sparrow
by big rooms with lots of shooters
My finger goes numb
raw steppe
but since you have infinite ammo
strange sparrow
Wait wrong reply
raw steppe
it doesnt matter
tiny summit
Wait wrong reply
I understood
swift ingot
I tried it, the range falloff is real
I’m usually more in the thick of things so it doesn’t come up very often
grand lark
Yeah I use full auto mod just to preserve my mouse and finger lol
tall torrent
I’m usually more in the thick of things so it doesn’t come up very often
It came up for me in big rooms with lots of gunners at long range
grand lark
Esp. on like the las pistol and shit
tiny summit
Yeah I use full auto mod just to preserve my mouse and finger lol
Weak non-gamer fingers
tall torrent
Takes way too many shots and doesn’t kill them fast enough
tall torrent
Close range laspistol is great
grand lark
What are thoughts on Mk X vs MK II
strange sparrow
Hope they Buff Recon soon
grand lark
I didn't feel like the Mk X hit hard enough to justify the lower rof
swift ingot
I love them both but the mk X is my drug
grand lark
But maybe it has other shit I'm missing as a benefit
strange sparrow
Laspistol firerate is under 300rpm
Exaggeration smh
tall torrent
I didn't feel like the Mk X hit hard enough to justify the lower rof
It’s very finicky with breakpoints, prob why
tiny summit
I really don't see why they hit recon as hard as they did. It wasn't deleting stuff. It was just funny unending laser piss
grand lark
Yeah I didn't super optimize it so that would make sense
tall torrent
I really don't see why they hit recon as hard as they did. It wasn't deleting st...
They need to just up the dps tremendously
sharp ember
What are thoughts on Mk X vs MK II
i like the mkx because of the sound design, the solar ring flare when critting, and dropping shotgunners in 1 headshot. Goes great with deadshot too, but it doesn't necessarily beat the mk2 because it can rack up dumdum fast
tiny summit
Yeah I didn't super optimize it so that would make sense
If you think of it like a more mobile MG4 lasgun, I think it's fine
swift ingot
It’s very finicky with breakpoints, prob why
I can definitely agree with that
tiny summit
They need to just up the dps tremendously
Or all our gun are overtuned
grand lark
Power creep 😈
tall torrent
Or all our gun are overtuned <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
A few, yea
Most aren’t
strange sparrow
Tbh, Fatshark doesn’t know how to moderately balance stuff so it always a pendulum swing
tall torrent
I’m not expecting recons to pull columnus5 numbers but it needs to actually have reasonable dps to compete with other weapons, especially considering veteran meta outside of full auto stuff is just “1 tap everything in the head”
tiny summit
Recon doesn't need to be CIAG level dps. It can have no recoil, large mag, sustained fire and infernus. But it has far less dmg than it should and shit ammo economy together
strange sparrow
It’s either too little or too much
swift ingot
i like the mkx because of the sound design, the solar ring flare when critting, ...
I love the mkX because I adore hand cannon style weapons and yeah the sound design and attention to detail really puts it up there for me
strange sparrow
I would even go and argue that Asail nerf was not enough as I am still abusing it a lot
tiny summit
I’m not expecting recons to pull columnus5 numbers but it needs to actually have...
RS6 Siege balance conundrum on every headshot 1 tapping
grand lark
Yeah revs are still kinda crazy
I think base assail could get nerfed a slight bit more but it's empowered version buffed a bit
strange sparrow
But I’m fine with how revolver work right now
grand lark
Playstyle of weaving empowered assails in combat is fun but slightly underwhelming
strange sparrow
Not like it’s a horde killing weapon with no issue like plasma
That could also be killing elites
Special
And a fair amount of damage on anything tbh
tiny summit
Head back home tomorrow. Gonna subject myself to recon in aurics
strange sparrow
Head back home tomorrow. Gonna subject myself to recon in aurics
swift ingot
I love my precious Mk X but I wish I could swap Infernus for Ranking Fire
strange sparrow
He’s gonna play the trash tier weapon
And he’s gonna grind for 1 mil
And post his scoreboard farming
90 minutes game
tiny summit
And post his scoreboard farming
I'll make sure I turn on the setting that tracks range and melee kills
So I can prove I used it over my melee
torn root
90 minutes game
if you manage 90 min game i'd actually gift something on steam
holy fuck
bet it'd crash before you completed
upper tangle
lol ive been playing the entire week without perks
on my lvl 30
no wonder i feel underpowered
strange sparrow
if you manage 90 min game i'd actually gift something on steam
I could grind that in private games thou
Not like I would ever run into ammo problem anyways
torn root
probably would still crash tho, no?
strange sparrow
No don’t think so
I see people playing up to 70-80 minutes games on Reddit before
swift ingot
tall torrent
Does suppression affect recon lasguns a lot?
torn root
I see people playing up to 70-80 minutes games on Reddit before
bro how tf?!
tall torrent
Or is it in the same category as laspistol/helbore/plasma as in no accuracy loss whatsoever
torn root
nah like are they in 70 min games on purpose>!\
strange sparrow
Look if you have people that doesn’t know how to play, it become very slow in some map
torn root
nah man
strange sparrow
Especially if you’re 2 man down
torn root
70 is wild!
strange sparrow
Because you can’t really push
terse idol
I mean at that time you'll be dead
It's that like that whole thing about, you pushing through to conserve ammo and make progress...
midnight totem
Double laspistol vet tree when
copper barn
bro how tf?!
Kinda late but I could also see that if people are deliberately trying to prolong the match to farm kills.
copper barn
There’s been times when we could’ve pushed for the objective but some knife zealot will just kill mobs while everyone curses them out to get into the lift.
torn root
There’s been times when we could’ve pushed for the objective but some knife zeal...
clear sign as to them having a scoreboard
copper barn
Pretty much
midnight totem
Can't scan if they're constantly dying
copper barn
Some people just like sniffing their farts. I’m super cool because I’m killing mobs by myself for five minutes.
torn root
only thing on the scoreboard that matters is how many objectives you are doing and how much plasteel you collected
🙂
copper barn
Forgot which map it was but I had one go for 50 mins on auric damnation because we had a trauma staff psyker that refused to do objectives and a stealth vet that stayed twelve miles away from everyone.
It was a grueling one.
inland orchid
Scoreboards? I just look at my total kills at the end of a match and call it a good job done 
copper barn
Vet was just popping in to kill elites and farm revives.
inland orchid
I’ve had a 60 min mission where we were waiting for a broski to be done being afk for most of it, was fun
Worth the wait
torn root
if i ever sit in a run for 40 mins im taking a huge ass break
copper barn
I always dread seeing a stealth vet who uses a knife and plasma gun.
My PTSD just kicks in.
midnight totem
What's the best way to take out a rager with the knife?
spice wadi
I always dread seeing a stealth vet who uses a knife and plasma gun.
well now you mention it
dusk junco
double it and give it to the next person
midnight totem
I always dread seeing a stealth vet who uses a knife and plasma gun.
That's funny because I'm totally building a knife for a stealth vet >_>
torn root
I always dread seeing a stealth vet who uses a knife and plasma gun.
I had one that grabbed so much plasteel for me earlier
tiny summit
Knife is like a cursed weapon. It changes a lot of those who pick it up
dusk junco
yeah I just use it so I can run way into the 30 crushers room and die right away for my team. This is so they know what's to come. I'm a team player.
midnight totem
Haymaker procs on everything smaller then an ogryn that's not a pox hound right?
torn root
You don’t wield the knife. The knife wields you.
tf is this? the space soviet?
torn root
https://tenor.com/view/fate-berserker-gif-18890610
lancelot is not a knife user sir
halcyon zephyr
You don’t wield the knife. The knife wields you.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this anime but I can't remember the name.
torn root
I'm pretty sure I've seen this anime but I can't remember the name.
Fate//zero
halcyon zephyr
Fate//zero
ahh. good show
Best mother's day special
hollow ibex
ahh. good show
Best mother's day special
father's day too
copper barn
Was about to say, it’s more of a Father’s Day kinda show.
Also ||rip my boy Iskander||
halcyon zephyr
Also ||rip my boy Iskander||
halcyon zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/kiritsugu-emiya-kiritsugu-fate-despair-desperate-gif-1983...
yeap, that's the moment my heart broke
midnight totem
I wonder
hollow ibex
Was about to say, it’s more of a Father’s Day kinda show.
it really is both, had some special moments for both the mother's day and father's day episodes
midnight totem
If Shiro or Archer can forge a copy of the Emperor's Sword
halcyon zephyr
If Shiro or Archer can forge a copy of the Emperor's Sword
midnight totem
XD
tame dragon
y tho
hybrid token
Aight wtf is wrong with psykers
ive barely played the class, never played this weapon before
and casually blasted out a million damaghe
how they fuck do they all do so little
shut flax
Void staff?
hybrid token
surge
didnt even finish the map and i was at a million damage
mightve reached 1.2
its not even an immobile weapon !
i can sprint and slide while charging it !
strange sparrow
Psyker just do a lot of damage
torn root
they do
hybrid token
32 minutes before we wiped
dire olive
"Hmm I need a better MG IV, lemme drop a bunch of docke... oh"
torn root
but seeing over 700 is usually like 40+ mins
strange sparrow
Especially Void Strike Staff which is argurably = plasma
dire olive
(Hadron bricked it)
hybrid token
not exactly a million, 950k before we wiped at the big drop down point on the trainstation asssination mission
strange sparrow
also Purgatus just have absurd garbage killing power
which farm a lot of damage easily
torn root
think the only times ive seen 1 mil are like on 45ish mins on a run with fire staff
strange sparrow
Probably VoidStrike Staff
hybrid token
i get 900 to 1 million every single run with vet but ive played vet for 1800 hours
strange sparrow
A bubble of dead that crit everytime
stray storm
(Hadron bricked it)
strange sparrow
It have a guarantee crit to it so Im not surprised maybe
dire olive
torn root
i still am of the belife when you hitt even 500ish damage those runs are starting to get longer
strange sparrow
You could easily hit 1mil damage if you play only scab melee too tbh
I had my fair share of 1mil dmg on no ammo pickup only scab
Also HP is calculated with stuff like Mutant
which have a fuck lot of HP
but take x3 to melee
torn root
average damage on a 32 min run is like around 400k, i feel when you get farther up yall could have been out of that mission if you were moving forward
ngl
not to be that guy but i consider it farming at anypoint the team is sitting and not moving while dpsing
serene sage
im averaging 500k-600k for mine
torn root
ty wardens
flint garden
frank basin
Some say that guy account got hacked
frank basin
Wydm nobody know the owner account back story
Someone fell into trap and the account got infected
torn root
on the internet in the day and age where were are told not to click on suspicious links
either way its a discord account
easy to make a new one
frank basin
Right
frank basin
That just harsh
torn root
maybe
ask in as many channels as you want
do y'all know not to click suspicious links?
we get a bunch of them here even....
then we @ the Wardens instead of clicking them 🙂
torn root
when you make a gameslantern link that doesnt link directly to gameslantern and have the little link bubble show up
we can talk then
see the little link that shows the very direct address of the page it sends you and the small little box that explains what its about
frank basin
Embed you means
torn root
most suspicious links aren't layed out like a link to information like that
they have really weird numbers and special characters
crude ermine
Usually it's just link text
torn root
1st hint at a suspicious link
crude ermine
And maybe a picture
torn root
safe links have pretty simple addresses on them
also im sure discord has a default setting for not immediatley taking you to a web page if im not mistaking
junior needle
<@&735928989146939404>
Did I miss something interesting?
frank basin
Did I miss something interesting?
Someone account got hacked and post porn link server
torn root
someone posted an X-rated disc server
junior needle
finite hawk
damn, I missed that 😦
frank basin
The link is full of victim soul account get taken anyway
past knot
Yall what blessing i put on shovel mk vii
torn root
thrust + uncanny strike IMO
torn root
they like a few here so idk, personally dont use the weapon much
past knot
Oh
swift ingot
For blessings you want Blaze away and gets hot on plasma
For perks you want the usual flak and maniac
torn root
that one
past knot
Ah I gotta farm for blaze away
swift ingot
Something like this
shut flax
Do crits still apply 2x stacks of burning?
past knot
Something like this
How long that blaze away stays? 3s?
swift ingot
gets hot is not it 🙂
I’m not one to challenge the status quo, because I’m not smart enough
torn root
and carapace im sure a good chunk of ppl would say is what the plasma would want too
past knot
gets hot is not it 🙂
Crits are funny with big weps so I kinda get why its there
swift ingot
Crits can help with breakpoints
past knot
Do I need to headshot with plasma or just do funy
torn root
headshot if you can
swift ingot
Again I’m not knowledgeable enough on the plasma to argue
torn root
always
past knot
Goddamn it
torn root
there's no reason not to
swift ingot
torn root
My hands hurt from revolver
you cant ads you'll be fine
swift ingot
Atm charge shot is not worth
past knot
I see I see
torn root
ppl like volatile a lot on plasma gun
spammy gun go brrr
i kind of liked volatile too ngl
but i refuse to roll a plasma atm
want 70s in everything
swift ingot
Only reason I was interested in the plasma gun was to make a Jurgen cosplay
past knot
Only reason I was interested in the plasma gun was to make a Jurgen cosplay
Aight thats cool I admit
torn root
Isn't that a 380
yes
torn root
im not looking for 380
give me 80s in everythign but ammo and im fine
vet really doesnt care about ammo
or i should say me at least
Also I've made my mind that certain weapons don't have a dump stat
unless its ammo
junior needle
Do crits still apply 2x stacks of burning?
They should, but iirc only on weapons that naturally apply burning/soulblaze. You don't get double lacerate or flesh tearer bleed stacks on a crit.
Like the flamer and purge staff
rancid ginkgo
rate my power sword
torn root
it doesn't need carapace if you arent going for the 2 shot on crushers imo
grand lark
Don't know if Carapace is worth it over Flak or Maniac
torn root
that's the only thing i can say
junior needle
I heard psword doesn't need flak now so maniac is a better option
frank basin
Ogryn chat is weird, they seem want make game harder by nerf vet weapons like plasma and ogryn dr nerf
rancid ginkgo
i use it with this so its my main mauler and crusher deleter
frank basin
Class conflict is truely never end
rancid ginkgo
thats why the carapace dmg on it
junior needle
i use it with this so its my main mauler and crusher deleter
Put on dumdum instead of hit and run, it's bugged and is a much larger practical boost than it seems
torn root
i use it with this so its my main mauler and crusher deleter
dumdum > hit & run?
torn root
thats why the carapace dmg on it
still the carapace on PSword doesnt eally do anything if you aren't gearing it for the 2 shot
rancid ginkgo
dumdum > hit & run?
just got vet to lvl 30 2 days ago, still honin my weapons xd these are my first "high tier" weapons for him
torn root
well you can work towards dumdum
white minnow
it helps for the mauler two shot doesn't it unless you've got that from talents
torn root
when you get it*
torn root
it helps for the mauler two shot doesn't it unless you've got that from talents
Idk if he will 2 shot maulers without momentum
but depending on the skill tree maybe
white minnow
I do ~3.1k to cara with PA l4 with +cara so I need it for my build
torn root
PA?
white minnow
push-attack
torn root
well the goal imo for carapace is so you can push attack into light 1
that 2 shots everything when you are using + carapace damage
double stabbing is kinda slow/clunky
torn root
yeah so if thats enough for maulers i guess its fine
just without Super Charger/Brutal Momentum I think it's impossible to do that on Crushers
white minnow
I can do it with Bruno if I take melee damage and something else iirc without needing supercharge
I ran a melee maelstrom with an adjusted build but the same psword and I could two-shot crushers without ult buffs
torn root
Brutal Momentum?
white minnow
ye
torn root
yeah
its the factor for the 2 shot
so Brutal Momentum 3 / Super Charger 4 with either Precision Strikes or Desperado
should get you the 2 shot
paired with Take it down*
white minnow
I guess a psword without buffs and the neutral talents misses out on it without the +15%
I hope I still have the build saved when I get back home
torn root
i think its doable with the elite damage too with just Precision strikes
white minnow
oh yeah left side
torn root
but you'd need high rolls on damage
shut flax
What makes the mark VI powersword better than the mark III?
white minnow
it has a better single target combo
shut flax
So III is better for general waveclear?
white minnow
it has a push-attack that chains into a strike down light
tall torrent
What makes the mark VI powersword better than the mark III?
It has a push atk combo for single target, and on horde clear it uses lights which come out faster
tall torrent
Also has innate +25% block efficiency from the front
tall torrent
And can block cancel the charge-up animation
white minnow
as long as you hit the breakpoints for brutal momentum, the Mk6 doesn't seem to fall that far behind
wanton dawn
mk6 has a more versatile moveset, animation cancel into block, block cost reduction. Mk3 has worse light but can be charged while sprinting
At the end of the day though, what really matters is having pc4
shadow aurora
Man ex stance is so finicky. Idk why it has to cancel on weapon switch. Makes it hard to use with stuff like right keystone and encourages you not to take your melee out
At least let me put bayonets on my las gun if i cant switch
torn root
i think thats on purpose
except for it not procing ranged specialist
that part is finicky
white minnow
my theory is that it's an artifact from when they didn't have melee/ranged specific bonuses
shadow aurora
i think thats on purpose
Well its not very fun to deal with
white minnow
and it's been kept this way for a while
shadow aurora
Especially with no bash on your gun
torn root
well from a design stand point, things should have trade offs
and a gameplay trade off is one of them imo
nothing wrong with it
white minnow
it's certainly silly now that you don't have 75% toughness dr
shadow aurora
The trade off is im not taking something like invis or shout which are better
white minnow
it feels bad and I think they can balance it without feeling bad
torn root
having more things that actually define playstyles in game is something that I like to see
white minnow
turn off bonuses from exe stance when you switch off but it gets maintained
shadow aurora
It would still define a playstyle your melee doesnt get boosted or anything
As far as im aware
white minnow
I do think that the ult should be more flexible
torn root
yeah but I could see ways to abuse it in absurd ways
shadow aurora
I just need to be able to smack a single poxwalker while im shooting at something
white minnow
since if you're running like a revolver build, you're already incurring a penalty by going left and right on the tree
torn root
for executioner stance dont you reset it even if you kill with melee?
white minnow
just prevent it from resetting on melee kills
torn root
that's more coding they have to do
white minnow
attach the bonuses to when your ranged is out
junior needle
for executioner stance dont you reset it even if you kill with melee?
When you switch to melee it drops
shadow aurora
just prevent it from resetting on melee kills
This
torn root
well then thats fine
shadow aurora
Either i need to be able to switch or i need to be able to get bash on my las gun
white minnow
and remove stun immunity from exe stance lamayo
torn root
i could see a world where they make it not drop and now we make a speed running room clear build with it
and i really dont think it'd be hard
junior needle
There's already speed room clearing
torn root
so lets not make it any nuttier
junior needle
It has nothing to do with exe
shadow aurora
Kuro the buffs dont need to apply to melee lmao
torn root
Kuro the buffs dont need to apply to melee lmao
im not saying they do tbh
white minnow
we can always do some balance tweaks
junior needle
It's reallly not that good compared to VOC
white minnow
but the fact that it drops on swapping to melee absolutely should be changed
torn root
It's reallly not that good compared to VOC
nothing is 🙂
junior needle
Both it and infiltrate could use some tweaking
white minnow
and we can just make compensating nerfs
shadow aurora
Voc is goated
white minnow
let's just get the idea of allowing us to swap to melee out and discuss the nerfs after the fact instead of just shutting the idea down
junior needle
Them point hogs for simple things like having shooters highlighted and resets is absurd
torn root
if Executioner stance was say 10 seconds and a kill only gave you +2 seconds I could defend a change similar to that
ngl
frank basin
I was in ogryn chat they said VoC should nerf revert cooldown something
Idk what’s going on
terse idol
VoC should revert nerf cooldown...
torn root
but 5 seconds and a constant refill on it, i think they horned themselves into a situation where buffing it could be iffy
frank basin
Class chat just being gang territories
frank basin
VoC should revert nerf cooldown...
And the revive talent node remove 50% increased cooldown?
rough palm
white minnow
they prob mean going back to 45 seconds by default
shadow aurora
It wouldn't even be that bad to be able to pull out melee. Helbore is already immune to the issue in the first place because it has a pretty good bash but its not like you see people running around with ex stance helbore
terse idol
And the revive talent node remove 50% increased cooldown?
I think that'd kinda push it over
frank basin
Should nerf revert cooldown...
Sorry I means like they don’t want 30 second cooldown they want revert back 45 second
white minnow
since that was VoC's initial cooldown
torn root
And the revive talent node remove 50% increased cooldown?
nah that is there for a reason
terse idol
VOC already has a tiny tiny talent tax
terse idol
Sorry I means like they don’t want 30 second cooldown they want revert back 45 s...
That's fine imo
VOC is
torn root
the skill is already brain dead
terse idol
Cray
torn root
lmao
torn root
imagine making it revive for no tax
terse idol
Every other ult you spend like 3
torn root
thats an issue
terse idol
Total
shadow aurora
45? I think 40 would be better
frank basin
Fair
terse idol
45 because cooldown reduction
frank basin
40 then
radiant willow
this is more of a dumb fluff request, but I bought myself the valhallan skin for my vet this Christmas. Since they are one of my fav regiments. what would be the most valhallan build/ weapons? I payed 20 for the skin im getting my moneys worth
frank basin
So it is ya really want VoC should revert back 45-40 second?
shadow aurora
this is more of a dumb fluff request, but I bought myself the valhallan skin for...
Use a shovel for snow moving and a lasgun for heat
empty root
how does one go about getting power cycler III or IV?
shadow aurora
how does one go about getting power cycler III or IV?
Get lucky
torn root
So it is ya really want VoC should revert back 45-40 second?
Probably would be a minor tap on the wrist, would probably cause curio tax
at 40 seconds it would be worth to run 12% crd
vernal harbor
how does one go about getting power cycler III or IV?
by getting some, sah.
frank basin
Probably would be a minor tap on the wrist, would probably cause curio tax
Right
empty root
wait for melk or upgrading greys to blue or what?
vernal harbor
Either or
torn root
if you wait for melk that could take a while
frank basin
I got lucky rolled power cycler T4
shadow aurora
Its not like power cycler is harder to get or anything. Just do what you normally prefer
torn root
like you could just got for Power Cycler 3
empty root
can you get them with blue upgrade
radiant willow
Use a shovel for snow moving and a lasgun for heat
I would like to learn shovel arts is thier a best one?
torn root
melk imo should only be used for t4 blessings
shadow aurora
The folding shovels are the best atm. Would also pair well with lasgun.
torn root
unless you got a boat load of extra currency floating around
junior needle
but i would never wait for melk to drop a t3 blessing
He drops mostly t3 blessings for me
shadow aurora
Not sure which one really but theyre both pretty busted strong so it shouldn't matter just choose whichever you feel more comfortable with
torn root
He drops mostly t3 blessings for me <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
he's supposed to, i think he almost always has at least 1 t4 though
either that or im lucky
junior needle
I frequently get no t4s
torn root
oof
junior needle
torn root
he usually has 1 for me
or usually when i check at least
i was complaining about dumdum 4 yesterday
then i saw he had it
lmao
frank basin
So sad dumdum is no longer power now is a damage
torn root
there should be less things that modifye power
anyway
power is actually strong af
melk actually has no t4s atm
iight so i've been lucky
frank basin
Was it ever power?
I read description it said damage not power
Yesterday I remember
It was power long ago iirc
torn root
I don't think it was ever power
radiant willow
does the lasgun still suck the infanty one?
lime gyro
Lol
frank basin
Full auto mod feel fun to use
junior needle
Yeah I dont remember it ever being power either
lime gyro
Wasting 25k plasteel to not even get the blessing u need is so amazing
Thank u very much hadron
junior needle
Wasting 25k plasteel to not even get the blessing u need is so amazing
Welcome to the hamster wheel
lime gyro
Love the rng so muchhhh
frank basin
Carrot on stick
lime gyro
I love wasting 5 mil dockets on shitty gun rolls
And 25k plasteel on shitty blessings
Thank u for hrs of grinding gone to waste fatshark
frank basin
Melk only last hope
lime gyro
Lol my 14k melk coins r lookin at me like dont u dare
frank basin
Lol my 14k melk coins r lookin at me like dont u dare
Spend it spend it spend it
Spend it spend it spend it
lime gyro
The demons in my head are talking to me again
torn root
actually nvm
frank basin
What it say?
lime gyro
Spend my money
torn root
shit use to only give 12.5% at max stacks?!
lime gyro
I remember when infernus was cracked out during launch
radiant willow
best shovel for vet?
river wraith
How should I complete making every shit count
torn root
best shovel for vet?
junior needle
I remember when infernus was cracked out during launch
It then proceeded to be mediocre-bad until the present day
torn root
How should I complete making every shit count
first order the spiciest thing on the taco bell menu
junior needle
Ah yes, patch 14
They were dumpster tier before the talent patch but they really kicked the crutches out from underneath them
lime gyro
they finally made the only full auto lasgun actually good and just had to pull a fatshark
junior needle
Desperately needs baseline buffs
lime gyro
yea ut does
torn root
okay so maybe there is hope for recon players yet
i remember when thye buffed dumdum
same time the buffed columnus
they gave dumdum a 2x buff
if they buffed infernus like that would it be good?
or still bad?
junior needle
Still bad, just with a blessing based crutch. This assumes they somehow massively gigabuffed infernus on recons to compensate enough for the baseline weakness.
junior needle
Mk II recon
Of all of them, why are you using the one with the lowest dps
torn root
Still bad, just with a blessing based crutch. This assumes they somehow massivel...
isn't that the same for dumdum then?
lime gyro
6d and 7a runs thru too much ammo
torn root
eeeh ill take that one back
junior needle
isn't that the same for dumdum then?
The IAG's still function very well even without dumdum
torn root
well recons doomed
lime gyro
mkii is balanced between damage n ammo use
i always find myself scrambling for ammo w the other ones
junior needle
6d and 7a runs thru too much ammo
The 2 is the most ammo efficient, but it also has indisputably the worst dps.
lime gyro
I wudnt say worst dps cuz i still kill alot i posted a ss of leaderboard earlier
But if u ever wana see for urself we can run auric dams whenever
junior needle
It is, I've compared them
The 2 has the lowest dps of all 3 models, with slightly better ammo efficiency.
lime gyro
Ive tested all of them too with extensive hrs on each
and i came to the conclusion tht the mk ii is what i play best with
junior needle
You are also still suctioning ammo out of the map, according to that scoreboard
While you may subjectively prefer it, objectively what I said is true
lime gyro
Yea but thts jus cuz they werent using most of it
And wud just offer it to me
With the 6d and 7a i was always fiending for ammo
I dont have that issue w the mk II
junior needle
You apparently still are, but the mk2 does damage so slowly it ends up using less just because you're killing less effectively.
torn root
comparing yourself to ppl on the scoreboard is NOT a good show
lime gyro
Its not for competition
torn root
yeah but its a test with variable we have no insight into
lime gyro
Its just to prove tht what i choose to play with is still doing good dps
If u want insight we can run an auric dam whenever bro
U'll have first hand insight
junior needle
That doesn't exactly prove your point, I'm afraid anyone can fudge ranged damage/kills by shooting into chaffe
torn root
and there are so many things that will skew numbes on the scoreboard
lime gyro
We can run an auric damnation whenever u want
torn root
i hate using it for anything when talking about function
tall torrent
I’m wondering what that other veteran was using in the ss
lime gyro
Plasma
terse idol
Like it's great that you're performing well
lime gyro
Gun
terse idol
The math isn't there
shut flax
If you're gauging general performance, sure. A wide delta can show you areas of improvement. However, it doesn't accurately showcase skill.
junior needle
You had a truly massive amount of ammo picked up (and used, judging by the wasted stat), far more than the plasma user, but you also had noticeably less kills on elites/specials overall.
lime gyro
Again thts cuz nobody else was using it so why would i not put it to use
lime gyro
Inflates it how i use my ranged weapon 90% of the time
U can tell just by comparing my total ranged kills to my melee kills
lime gyro
U tried to say it does shit dps compared to the other accatrans
junior needle
Oh you're right, I didn't even look at the melee kills
My guy you're basically never doing melee and only shooting things and using a ton of ammo
lime gyro
I only use melee for bosses and ragers n stuff
torn root
even if no one else is using it, that's a metric fuck ton
ebon umbra
bullets are for psykers
lime gyro
When using 6d or 7a i always found myself consistently going out of my way for ammo
I wasnt the first to grab it
junior needle
Fine, you don't need to take my word for it.
lime gyro
"Hey kaz we got ammo here if u want"
terse idol
Homie 🥹
frank basin
Recon feel wack
lime gyro
"yea sure"
terse idol
The other guy
Did twice your kills in melee and ranged
You used only range the entire game
torn root
.>
raw steppe
LOL
tiny summit
We still on recon?
shut flax
4.7k is insanely high. Sure, you're doing your job at purging specialists, but at the expense of resources that look they aren't doing much else.
lime gyro
Lol baseline gray recon
Again nobody was using them and most of the time it was offered to me
Its not like im sprinting to the ammo taking it before anyone else
terse idol
No no no but wait
torn root
we arent mobbing you my boy
lime gyro
I dont need to do tht w accatran but with 6d and 7a i did
torn root
but that scoreboard need some 'splainin
lime gyro
What do u want an explanation with
junior needle
The explanation is typical recon vet things, spraying into chaffe and using a ton of ammo to avoid melee
shut flax
The data suggests a low efficiency with the given resources, is all I'm saying.
frank basin
The explanation is typical recon vet things, spraying into chaffe and using a to...
That’s so me
torn root
imma be honest now that im looking at sikov
tall torrent
Does that 4.7k track survivalist gains, or just pickups
terse idol
torn root
the recon looks like i caused you to STRUGGLE
lime gyro
We can run an auric damnation whenever u want and u can see how efficient i am
torn root
bro
shut flax
We're looking at how efficient it is.
lime gyro
i dont struggle tho thats the thing
torn root
you can be efficient with it
terse idol
It's not struggling
torn root
but its still not as good as other options
junior needle
You can easily not struggle if your team holds you up
terse idol
You're working twice as hard to get not that much benefit, it's GREAT that you like the recon!
But your stats are exactly the problem of how weak it is
lime gyro
Twice the number of ranged kills compared to everyone else but yeee ur right my team is holding me up
torn root
vet is double-timing with that gun fr
tiny summit
i dont struggle tho thats the thing
Not saying you're gonna struggle using recons. It's that compared to other options (taking a recon over something else) it's underwhelming
junior needle
Twice the number of ranged kills compared to everyone else but yeee ur right my ...
You're firing your gun constantly into melee chaffe, that's not proving what you think it is
You have 61 melee kills
shut flax
Think of it like stairs. Sure you CAN go up two steps at a time, but what happens when you can't easily do it?
terse idol
Twice the number of ranged kills compared to everyone else but yeee ur right my ...
You got twice the kills but barely 60k more damage on the guy who also used Melee
torn root
you can try hard to make something work, or just use something that does
lime gyro
Cuz i prefer to use my recon lasgun over my dclaw
hollow ibex
You're firing your gun constantly into melee chaffe, that's not proving what you...
but there's no other way to play recon lasguns
torn root
being efficient with something inefficient doesn't nullify the faults
terse idol
60k difference is not that high 🥹
frank basin
Yeah when I run MG IV Lasgun infan I didn’t melee I just dodge and shoot
shut flax
If it works for you, sure. Just appreciate your skill. Don't sell a skewed delta my guy.
terse idol
Yeah
torn root
being efficient with something inefficient doesn't nullify the faults
this is just another way of saying you liek to challegne yourself
terse idol
Don't wanna dog pile ya
shut flax
It's inefficient compared to other modes of damage. So what? Just embrace it.
lime gyro
nobody is selling a skewed delta
he tried to say the dps was garbage compared to the other recon variants
terse idol
But the stats you showed is exactly the right numbers to show that the recon is struggling
lime gyro
I said its not
frank basin
I avoid scoreboard mod : /
lime gyro
Thats what the topic was
junior needle
he tried to say the dps was garbage compared to the other recon variants
It's literally the lowest dps model
terse idol
he tried to say the dps was garbage compared to the other recon variants
But it is
shut flax
I avoid scoreboard mod : /
Same. It brews toxic gameplay loops if used by the wrong people. It's great for build testing tho.
lime gyro
But hes a very humble guy
terse idol
That's good!
lime gyro
He was using a plasma gun
terse idol
Yes
lime gyro
And psword
frank basin
Same. It brews toxic gameplay loops if used by the wrong people. It's great for ...
I got blamed by scoreboard mod user back before talent revamp said I bring recon on damnation
terse idol
And he did more in the grand scheme
tiny summit
I like scoreboard to have some data on my build performance.
lime gyro
I only use my melee to deal w bosses ragers and other certain mobs
terse idol
I only use my melee to deal w bosses ragers and other certain mobs
But you only did 60k more damage than he did
tiny summit
I got blamed by scoreboard mod user back before talent revamp said I bring recon...
Yea those users are dumb
terse idol
In range
torn root
nobody is selling a skewed delta
okay ngl he was talking about dps you showed your damage over the course of the whole game
lime gyro
Hes using a plasma gun thats a high dmg weapon
torn root
its a shit example to use for dps
terse idol
Ima stop, this isn't a personal jab at you
torn root
like actually
tall torrent
This argument not worth it
terse idol
This is a pure look into that recon is not performing well
torn root
your total damage during a run is NOT an example of dps
shut flax
Again, data suggests a low efficiency. No other data is taken into consideration. All I'm gonna say about it. We should probably leave it at this.
lime gyro
Come join vc i'll show u ttk in meat grinder between 6d and mk II
tall torrent
Recon needs dps buff end of debate
shut flax
Yeap.
terse idol
I don't wanna hurt your feelings
frank basin
I love 6d like P90
lime gyro
6d was based before the nerf
terse idol
Like soldier already posted that video
lime gyro
It got nerfed the hardest
terse idol
Comparing the recons