veteran-class

[frank ether]

mm

graia is funny on zealot

[junior needle]

Less fine when you enjoy things the devs don't like, so they ignore the thing you like and leave it in the dumpster for years (league of legends had this problem for a long time and still does to a certain extent).

Or the dev favorites never get nerfed to below a certain threshold and often get buffs to super good status, while other things get gutted at a moments notice.

[frank ether]

I think league does it in a more malicious way

kind of like a fomo meta

they definitely have their favourites that stayed in meta for years

but they also do a lot of fomo balancing thats very obvious

cause some of the shit they do is very obviously done for the sake of changing meta

[junior needle]

Garen was a dumpster tier champion for most of the games existence and the pizzafeets were left in the memecan.

For a fine example

[frank ether]

wasnt garen like the low skill floor champ

I remember garen rework and he was giga cancer

[tiny summit]

Recon gonna be our own meme gun

Is it better to be a meme gun or a gun no one talks about like shredder pistol?

[frank ether]

unkillable, impossible to stop it from farming (unless ranged top aka cancer), impossible to stop its ult

[swift ingot]

Leaked footage of the Heavy Revolver, real

[frank ether]

ok I uninstalled league for a reason

and its all coming back to me now

I think I'd rather play hots now if I were to touch a moba

[junior needle]

He was, but that's because he's an absolutely ancient champ from near release and never got updated for modern standards. Even post rework he's missing qol changes he should've gotten (that the wild rift version ironically actually has).

[frank ether]

Idk, easy solution

dont play league

[serene sage]

garen is a low skill ceiling champ

power level wise he's fine

[frank ether]

thats kinda funny

[serene sage]

he's the brain dead poster child

[frank ether]

given context

[junior needle]

Now he's more in the fine area

[frank ether]

recon is also a low skill weapon

[junior needle]

Before he was dumpster tier and got leveled by essentially any toplaner

[frank ether]

so the FS dev had a very parallel thinking probably xd

[gusty bison]

Mostly cos recon has zero finesse

For some god awful reason

[serene sage]

low skill horrid power balance

garen is low skill but balance power

[gusty bison]

Ah yes, high precision rapid fire laser gun

1.4x finesse

[serene sage]

recon is just bad

[gusty bison]

DAFAQ

[serene sage]

[frank ether]

yeah its kinda bizarre

it should just be las counterpart to iags

[junior needle]

You actually need to work harder mentally on garen than a lot of more "complex" champions just because he lacks gapclosers and hard cc

[frank ether]

but I guess problem with that is

it doesnt have any recoil

[gusty bison]

Even the normal 2.2x will push it up to near 3k on headshots

[junior needle]

Which I think is funny

[frank ether]

so you cant expect it to outdps an iag

but I dont think its unreasonable to expect at least decent ammo sustain

[junior needle]

It lacks much conventional recoil, but the shots sort of wander around for no reason.

[gusty bison]

Tbf an iag is also packing 6k deeps

[frank ether]

thats sorta the problem with warhammer lore I guess

how do you add skill ceiling

to a no recoil gun

[gusty bison]

Only after the first 10 shots

The first 10 are on target

[junior needle]

That's good to know. Those go by very fast though, at least on 6d.

Enough for shooters

[gusty bison]

Aye.

Tbf most threats die in 10 bullets

[frank ether]

Yeah its kinda

not so bad as a chaff killer

[junior needle]

I dunno about that one

[frank ether]

again the problem is ammo

[junior needle]

Ammo and dps are a problem

[gusty bison]

Also it requires a steady aim

[junior needle]

It doesn't need amazing dps, IF it has a DEEP ammo pool. But 600~ maniac/unyielding dps is not acceptable, especially with only IAG level dps to flak.

[frank ether]

Well its mostly because of low dps that you need to track targets for longer

[swift ingot]

Oh she’s a beaut

[junior needle]

That's on bodyshots, IAG's pull ahead on headshots

[untold mulch]

I mean is a las weapon

Of all things, it should have that

[frank ether]

yeah well it needs to have a point to existing

[gusty bison]

2.7x finesse kek

[frank ether]

brautos are also low skill floor but they have enough ammo that I can w+m1 entire maps

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 treatment

[frank ether]

that is despite very bad brauto cone btw

they're hella inaccurate but with enough ammo

[junior needle]

360 noscopes required after every target killed

[untold mulch]

I can use the Brauto Agri agisnt sniprrs sometimes

[frank ether]

I actually would like some finesse, I'd even take bodyshot dps nerfs if it means weakspot dps goes up

[junior needle]

In order to nerf bodyshot, they'd have to nerf base damage. Which would drag down finesse performance as well 🤓

[frank ether]

also one QoL recon family needs is to tone down the laser trails

its overtuned to the point I cant see what I'm shooting

not without exec outlining or mark

[gusty bison]

Use the force luke

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/katze-cat-hasenohren-bunny-ears-gif-24097339

Its kinda funny

I think infernus would actually be good on recon

cus the dps is low enough for the ticks to burn lol

[gusty bison]

I wish infernus wasnt a meme

[frank ether]

does anyone know the dps of burn ticks

[junior needle]

Recons are the best use case, but infernus is still mediocre even on them

[frank ether]

I'd really love it if infernus was more interesting

[spark helm]

man...

[gusty bison]

Its like... 200

[spark helm]

that's tough.

[frank ether]

thats rough

[junior needle]

Depends on the target. They tick at a .5 rate if the info I found is correct.

to flak it's like 200~ dps ish

[gaunt hinge]

recons died once they nerfed their crit strings

[gusty bison]

Unyielding does more

[junior needle]

And shocktrooper

[gusty bison]

Carapace less

[frank ether]

thats funny I'd expect burn to hurt carapace the most

thats some backwards logic there

[junior needle]

They were still bad prior to the talent patch even with their crit strings intact

[gusty bison]

Burn on cara is useless

[hybrid token]

ah did we just play together

[gusty bison]

Like utter useless

[frank ether]

It really shouldn't be

[junior needle]

Doesn't even stack onslaught anymore btw

[frank ether]

yea

I understand why they fixed that

and I'm fine with it

[marble yew]

man im pretty sure i found my new main build, the autogun kicks ass

[frank ether]

just hoped infernus was mechanically more interesting

[junior needle]

If the 0.5 tick rate is correct, you get about 400~ dps to unyielding at 12 infernus stacks.

[frank ether]

thats... not terrible but also meh

cause its a boss lmao

[junior needle]

That assumes max stacks, if you have less it does way less damage due to nonlinear scaling

[frank ether]

considering I can just outdps that with chaxe light attack spam

not very impressive

[frank basin]

I find infantry Lasgun has recoil is so weird.

[junior needle]

Helbores/laspistols/infantry lasguns are very prone to killing targets before getting any stacks on target, much less enough in a timely manner for much value

[frank ether]

though again it doesnt have to be amazing against everything to be useful

I think what could make infernus interesting is if it worked more like an AoE proc rather than a dot stack

[swift ingot]

Infernus is nice for getting those very rare dot kills on enemies that just got out of your sight and it’s also really nice for bosses

[frank ether]

like to proc it you have to consistently shoot the same area kind of thing

[junior needle]

They have very jumpy recoil that no amount of stability stat seems to get under control. Even exe, 80% stability, and deadshot.

[frank ether]

and then once it procs it applies full infernus stacks to everything nearby

[frank basin]

I means generally the Lasgun in the game has recoil. Lore things

[hybrid token]

infernus should work differently for different lasgun types

[junior needle]

Oh yes, it's a common gameplay concession. Stil very dumb.

[hybrid token]

crits for recon, weakspot hits for infantry, charged shots for helbore

[swift ingot]

The light Laspistol will probably be an absolute beast with infernus, especially if it fires in a 2 round burst

[frank basin]

Is feel so strange laser gun has recoil

[frank ether]

I mean I have one

infernus laspis

it doesnt add that much

[swift ingot]

Same

Yeah

[gusty bison]

Would be worthless on helbore still tbh

Cos uh

Burn ticks on a corpse is

[frank ether]

you could probably roll like ghost or even raking and get more juice out of those

[hybrid token]

getting 12 stacks for a charged shot would be better than crits

[frank ether]

I'm telling you best way to make infernus useful is to make it some sort of cleave/AoE proc

[gusty bison]

Problem.

12 stacks on a corpse is still a corpse

XD

The thing about the HB is it turns shit into a corpse in 1 shot

[frank basin]

I like infernus can spread like wild fire rather single target.

[junior needle]

Should make it work on non-crits and give more on crits. Lacerate (blessing) could use a similar tuneup.

[swift ingot]

Yeah like if the enemy gets set on fire and dies it spreads it to an adjacent enemy

Or 2

[hybrid token]

burning enemies should just set nearby enemies on fire

[frank basin]

That make fun

[hybrid token]

the 3 dots should work differently

bleed should do the most damage, burn should have aoe, soulfire should do something weird

[frank basin]

Fuck I drank two cup coffee now I can’t sleep

[gusty bison]

Soulfire is the aoe one atm

[serene sage]

skill issue

[frank basin]

Life issue

[gusty bison]

Bat to the head

[hybrid token]

because of talents, it should be inherent to the dot

[frank ether]

yeah either spread from enemy to enemy or be a stationary AoE around the original target

doesnt have to be huge

[junior needle]

Soulblaze needs a talent to spread I think

[hybrid token]

like wildfire should just be a part of how it functions

[frank basin]

I think fs need kinda messing around experiment community suggestion

[frank ether]

they sometimes do

[frank basin]

But community conflict remain exist

[gusty bison]

Something something power sword nerf

[frank ether]

funny thing is I still see ppl complaining about ps

[hybrid token]

power sword 3 not even like top 10 weapons

[frank basin]

I still have ps 3

[gusty bison]

PS6 is stronk

[eternal depot]

I like the shovels

[frank basin]

With tier 4 pcycler

[frank ether]

ps3 is still ok but could be made more interesting sure

its still a power sword in the end

[swift ingot]

Chainsword gang

[frank basin]

Yes

Mkxiig

[frank ether]

I dont think new chainsword is that good

I think its kinda half baked currently

[eternal depot]

the melee weapon that is fun to use for me, is probably the dclaws

[frank basin]

I like spam cc pattern

[swift ingot]

I prefer the mk4 chainsword

[hybrid token]

i think the power sword should have an energy bar you can build up with normal attacks, and the activation should be usable less often but even more powerful

[frank ether]

I think chain weapons need an eventual rework for how revving works

[hybrid token]

right now the unactivated attacks are basically pointless

[frank ether]

the fact that you get majority of your damage at the end of the rev is a big limiter for chsword

[swift ingot]

That should be flipped

[frank ether]

at least post rework chainaxe can light rev for quick high damage attacks

which mostly makes special attack less required

[frank basin]

How about hold for constant revving

Then you can spam melee attack while revving

[frank ether]

you have no cleave

[hybrid token]

chainsword activation should be a toggle

[frank ether]

and you do what psword does

but worse

[hybrid token]

not a single attack

[gaunt hinge]

just make revving faster 🙂

[frank ether]

^

[frank basin]

Fast revving animation?

[frank ether]

just make the damn rev faster lmao

[novel merlin]

chainsword go vrrrrrrrrrrr

[swift ingot]

Yeah just make it apply the damage faster so you’re not as vulnerable

[frank basin]

I’m sure I’ll wait when they drop update I’m justly kinda hungry for new weapons

[frank ether]

there were some datamined guns for a while

[frank basin]

Cmon

[frank ether]

melta and a scab sniper gun

[swift ingot]

I’m hungry for a Paul buff

[frank ether]

doubt its anytime soon

arent swedes still on holiday?

[frank basin]

Is Jan 7

Swedes take leaves longer

[swift ingot]

Longlas is what it’s called

[frank ether]

actually no

its more like a

regular firearm

I thought it would be longlas too but

[frank basin]

People wish stubber for veteran like want be picture from left talent

[frank ether]

yea I'd like it

[frank basin]

Is kinda bit off since left keystone look fit for right picture talent

[swift ingot]

I just hope Melta isn’t zealot exclusive, but it probably will be

[frank ether]

I mean I'd assume lmg to be quite inaccurate / high recoil

[topaz lance]

I just want the double barrel shotties please

[frank ether]

possibly a braced gun

so left tree would work best

[frank basin]

And 300 rounds no reload

[frank ether]

since exec is your only way to tighten spread

[frank basin]

Brauto just LMG

Stubber is little more hmg

I like it

[swift ingot]

Melta gun could probably work by having its primary fire be a single target shot and have a brace fire that shoots in a big ol cone

That could be cool

[frank basin]

So if melta gun added? Will that be s tier?

And people Thorne the melta gun?

[swift ingot]

It wouldn’t have an overheat mechanic, but probably have somewhat low ammo

[swift ingot]

I won’t care if it’s good or not, I’ll use it either way

[hybrid token]

reload after every shot

[swift ingot]

Meltas typically have around 3-4 shots before they need to be reloaded

[hybrid token]

imagine if

the primary fire was a cone

but

you had 4 shots

[marble yew]

what's the most meta melee weapons for veterans in this patch? wanna try something other than my power sword

[hybrid token]

and the secondary just

unloaded the whole thing

"fuck everything over here in particular"

[frank basin]

Kinda stale today 😪

Weapons they recently add just okay and feel stale

Like ogryn never had more weapons

[swift ingot]

Mk X Laspistol is perfect and you can’t tell me otherwise

[frank basin]

Least not boring

[swift ingot]

I kinda wish we got some Paul variants

[frank basin]

Yeah

[swift ingot]

But I’d definitely want a buff to the current Paul before that happens

[frank basin]

The amp up for Paul is slow

[hybrid token]

give paul power cycler

POW POW POW

[frank basin]

Does Paul has aoe?

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[frank basin]

On energize hit

[hybrid token]

some

[frank basin]

Ah

[hybrid token]

it knocks back everything around the target

[frank basin]

I don’t like the Paul slown you down on amping

[hybrid token]

slow weapons are fine if the activation is powerful

but the paul activation isnt much better than just doing a heavy

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-ridiculous-thats-not-ridiculous-to-say-that-thats-not-ridiculous-meme-gif-11489839477285394127

[frank basin]

Doesn’t feel powerful hit

[hybrid token]

if they gave it bigger aoe or multiple activated hits itd be fine

[frank basin]

The Paul energize hit like crusher

[swift ingot]

Paul needs the damage of its lights and heavies buffed

[vernal harbor]

Ladies and gentlemen respectfully wtf is a paul

[frank basin]

Power maul

[swift ingot]

Power Maul

[vernal harbor]

Ah

[hybrid token]

power mail

[swift ingot]

For Ogryn

[frank basin]

Looks like you also iOS too crimson

Got auto correct

[swift ingot]

[frank basin]

Schmuck is 4 am I didn’t sleep on two cup coffee drank at 10 pm

[swift ingot]

Paul used to be considered one of Ogryn’s best weapons, but they did absolutely nothing to it and it just doesn’t feel the same

[frank basin]

The maul doesn’t feel powerful

[hybrid token]

because everything else got buffed

[swift ingot]

I know

[hybrid token]

same reason power sword 3 fell off

everything else got buffed and ps3 got nerfed

[frank basin]

PS3 is below alright?

[hybrid token]

its...fine

[frank basin]

Yeah

That could be

[umbral scaffold]

Would you say it's currently performing
Abysmaully

[hybrid token]

i play power maul coz i like hitting people with tazer stick

[frank basin]

Hard to pronounce it

[swift ingot]

It’s struggling

[hybrid token]

like the strike down on the clubs is better than the pauls activated attack

[frank basin]

Far Cadia

[swift ingot]

Would definitely benefit from both a buff to its heavy and light damage, as well as a buff to the speed of its heavies

[frank basin]

I remember I try the left keystone Paul

Heavies swing is slow

[swift ingot]

Paul needs the mk3 basher treatment

[frank basin]

Somehow beating the crusher with Paul without energize is police brutality

And is take while to kill it

[swift ingot]

When the Paul and the crusher dropped, Paul was the superior weapon by a country mile, then they tweaked the hell out of the crusher and now it’s absolutely cracked, while the Paul just gets left in the dust with no buff in sight

It’s sad to see a weapon I love fall out of use

[frank basin]

Right

You are an individual out numbered that fs won’t listen to individual rather to the masses

[swift ingot]

All of the og lads in Ogryn chat want a Paul buff to happen, including Hank

[frank basin]

What’s Hank?

[swift ingot]

He’s a buddy of mine who became one of the wardens/mods on this channel and is also a playtester

[frank basin]

I see

[swift ingot]

Alas we cry out into an empty void

[hybrid token]

as long as they buff it in a different direction as the clubs

real problem with FS of buffing away all of a weapon weaknesses and making weapons more similar

[frank basin]

Same weapon just different name

That’s 40k pattern generally

[swift ingot]

Heavy damage +80-100 baseline. Lights +20-30 DMG and heavies having better finesse into weakspots and buff the speed of its heavies by a good amount and boom perfect buff.

That’s all they need to do

[hybrid token]

thats exactly what i mean

that just makes it like the club

[frank basin]

Idk why the Paul swing so slow

Weak and slow

[hybrid token]

they should buff its attack speed, activation speed and make the activation explode like a supernova

[gaunt delta]

Nah just give Paul incredible knockback on the upward swing

https://tenor.com/view/dylan-moore-mariners-dinger-home-run-dmo-gif-23368780

[frank basin]

Paul visually look lightweight to ogryn holding

[hybrid token]

give it a baseball swing that just launches people lmao

poxburster BEGONE

[swift ingot]

It’s l2 does basically that if it kills

[gaunt delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-owned-lotr-cleave-mace-gif-5201948

[frank basin]

Kinda bored playing Darktide now

[magic warren]

they should let the ogryn pick me up and use me as a weapon/grenade

[frank basin]

Human stick

[hybrid token]

they should let the ogryn pick me up and use me as a REDACTED

sorry what

[frank basin]

Lmao

[magic warren]

🤨

[frank basin]

Zesty

[magic warren]

📝

intriguing...

[frank basin]

Smell like

Slaanesh

[swift ingot]

Let Ogryn be able to do the fastball special with a non-Ogryn teammate

Just chuck a zealot at a daemonhost

[hybrid token]

ogryn middle ult should be throwing a teammate to safety....OR

LAUNCHING TACTICAL ZEALOT

[gaunt delta]

Rock is just practice for that move

[frank basin]

Launch zealot knife in middle horde

So the zealot do turbo shank

[gaunt delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-tossme-lotr-gimlitossme-what-gif-7286259

[hybrid token]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-this-like-jajaja-gif-3479570

[frank basin]

Downside; this ability can troll people throwing off cliff or patrol enemies and daemonhost

[hybrid token]

me when the psyker wont stop spamming lightning

[swift ingot]

Anyways back to Melta Guns and how cool they are

[frank basin]

Blender

[gaunt delta]

Let them have a “press X to be Tossed Y/Y” pop up

[gaunt delta]

Now that we got Valhallan drip it’s only a matter of time

[swift ingot]

Fuck yeah

Way ahead of you

[gaunt delta]

Meltagun should do what plasgun is currently doing
Change My Mind™️

[frank basin]

The Swedes still on break

Community manager is there exist

And do nothing

Only watching people behavior

[swift ingot]

Meltas primary fire should be sort of similar to plasma’s primary fire, but have shorter range but more damage and it’s secondary fire could be a brace fire that makes it shoot in a high damage cone

It also wouldn’t have to worry about an overheat mechanic and most likely have pretty ok ammo reserves

[frank ether]

melta is cool and all but what about grenade launchers

[thick rose]

yessssss

[frank ether]

also why couldn't they just make the krieg helmet like this

either way rotary GL sounds fun

[untold mulch]

To sell it later again I assume

[frank basin]

I hope they don’t say ogryn has own gl and enough explosive

They should have different mark, one explosive and one incendiary

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure yeah,

[thick rose]

what perks do you have on your powerswords?

[hybrid token]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

Was trying a deadshot agri, did not work out that well

[thick rose]

maniac / carapace?

[umbral scaffold]

Maniac flak is what I'd take

Carapace isn't going to be as common

[thick rose]

do you use a gun to kill crushers with that setup?

[umbral scaffold]

Can also go with unyielding over flak if you like
But you're gonna run into more maniacs you have to melee than reapers / bulwarks

[umbral scaffold]

In low numbers you can just use psword alt + Heavy slashes

In high numbers ye you use your gun

Crushers aren't that scary in low numbers
Way too slow and your alt activation kills them in a few heavies

In high numbers you can still melee them
But it's harder to dodge 3-4 Crusher mating dance overheads in a row

[dusty sluice]

I use maniac/elites

[gusty bison]

Note that if u dodge slide u can tank crusher oheads if u have iron will

Cos sliding reduces incoming damage by half

[umbral scaffold]

If you have the proper toughness perks you don't even need to slide

But sliding is always good anyway

[dusty sluice]

I still find it funny that dclaw can parry them

[dire olive]

Space weeb magic

[torn root]

gotta love ppl online

play what you want guys fr

[quartz haven]

i get wanting not to lose but controlling others builds is kinda weird lol

[candid tundra]

ew autopistol

lol

[umbral scaffold]

It's not even good builds either

[gusty bison]

It was when autopistol was OP

[merry glade]

a look into the life of an actual metaslave

[candid tundra]

ah ok

[gusty bison]

Tbf bolter was also OP

So like

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[gusty bison]

Dude just is an idiot

[torn root]

pretty sure the guy didnt want anyone competing scoreboard with him lmao

[candid tundra]

didn't actually know the shitter autopistol was op at any point kek

[marble yew]

it was when autopistol was busted

[umbral scaffold]

Feels like it lol

Which is wild when you can just let people play and you'll be fine

[torn root]

i just found it hilarious

[gusty bison]

Those were all meta builds back then

[umbral scaffold]

I pub auric Maelstroms all the time

[gusty bison]

But like

[umbral scaffold]

And people have the wildest shit

[gusty bison]

The game was also easier back then

[torn root]

if you guys ever use anything but columnus just remember

yer bad

[umbral scaffold]

I still see regular lasguns and autopjstols from time to time

[torn root]

🙂

[umbral scaffold]

And we still clear most of the time

Unless it's like
Awful modifiers

Lights out + blitz = wipe in 2 minutes in pubs lol

[gusty bison]

The best weapon is the one that u can use the most

[torn root]

y'all vets gotta be PSword Columnus slaves

nothing is better 🙂

[gusty bison]

The surge psyker: Oops i touched the daemonhost

And now she is suing me for sexual assault

[untold mulch]

I swear the idiots and the DH are a pain

[umbral scaffold]

Tbf
Sometimes DH is just a sneaky shithead where she's positioned

[untold mulch]

hear dh

I wonder which of the window lickers is gonna make the run harder because of their stupidity

[gusty bison]

And sometimes u aggro her by suppression

[merry glade]

had back-to-back dh spawns on the new map recently. one at the top of some stairs, and another at the bottom (we aggro'd it )

[umbral scaffold]

The worst is one time when there were like 6 snipers hiding behind the flying body of a demonhost

[quartz haven]

yeah if it wakes up and you dont got a zealot almost everytime someones dying

[gusty bison]

Which is annoying when a gunner is right behind her

[umbral scaffold]

Guess I'll just die either way lol

[gusty bison]

Oh btw snipers shooting a daemonhost can aggro her

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah that's so bullshit in the few times it happens lol

[untold mulch]

If at least it only killed the idiot

[torn root]

i usually run to the next area because of BS like this, because suppression is enough to aggro a host I think

[umbral scaffold]

Death no matter what

[gusty bison]

Yep. Shooting near a daemonhost is high risk

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah you can just aggro her by shooting near her
It's awful

[gusty bison]

Especially with high suppression guns

[umbral scaffold]

If a special is next to the DH
Got to just take it

[gusty bison]

Its pretty much a know ur gun moment.

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[gusty bison]

If ur using a bolter, plasma, braced auto. Take the L

[umbral scaffold]

I'll give the DH one thing

[frank basin]

Buzz buzz buzz

[gusty bison]

Helbore? You can squeeze one out with care

[umbral scaffold]

As long as she's not floating yet
She does give people some leeway

[gusty bison]

Depends on the gun tbf

If ur using a braced auto

[umbral scaffold]

Ran face first into a demonhost and ending up clipping on her for a bit before I legged it out
And she was cool I stepped on her face a bit lol

[gusty bison]

It can go south super fast

Oh and if ur a psyker with wildfire

Uh

Yea

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah that's the worst lol

[wanton dawn]

Peace and tranquility

[umbral scaffold]

That one I've done before
Not a fun moment

Just killing a special with bb and the host is set on fire?

[gusty bison]

I killed a rager 30m away and it spread through the horde to hit her

[umbral scaffold]

Probably death

[gusty bison]

Florp

[umbral scaffold]

That's a bruh momebt for sure lol

The worst is when randos who aggro the dh quit out

And the dh reaggros and kills more people

Just take the L
Leaving actually makes it worse

[gusty bison]

Yep

[gusty bison]

They be like

I fucked up, so you take the L

[stable socket]

can you taunt a demonhost? cuz i know shieldgryn can tank it infinitely

[umbral scaffold]

Can't taunt it from its primary target I think

It just tunnels

[stable socket]

ah RIP

[umbral scaffold]

But it does stop if you somehow go invul

So if you get bounced by mutants 24/7 or eaten by a BoN

It will patiently hover around until you drop

Ledges don't count thought it'll just punt you off

[frank basin]

How about get trapped by trapper?

Does that still killing?

[umbral scaffold]

I think it still gets you ye

Not sure about Dog

But Mutant and BoN I know makes her wait

Only thing that hits you through those are fire
And the odd crusher/mauler overhead already being launched

I've actually died to a crusher that way before
Not a fun way to get instadeleted

[frank basin]

Need more arsenal for this

[frank basin]

Wydm? I can’t comprehend

[umbral scaffold]

BoN/Mutant holding you if there's fire will still hurt you
Similarly if a Crusher or Mauler's attacks are already in the "overhead going to land" part of their attack they can hit you through mutant

[gusty bison]

I remember when everything could hit u through mutant

That was... a time

[umbral scaffold]

It's just a very odd outlier I've seen because the latter is very rare nowadays

Usually all enemies stop once you're grabbed

[gusty bison]

Get grabbed by a mutant, instantly go down

[frank basin]

So get pin by mutant the crusher still go overhead attack?

[gusty bison]

[umbral scaffold]

If it's already "launched"

[frank basin]

Ah

Make sense

[umbral scaffold]

It should still stop if it's just starting the mating dance

Ye it's a very rare outlier now

[umbral scaffold]

I miss the 360 degree mutants

They were really funny

[gusty bison]

I think mutie drops ur threat rating. So things dont target u

[gusty bison]

Lel

[umbral scaffold]

You dodge and he just goes through you and instantly turns like
Nope

[gusty bison]

I remember getting grabbed by one mid horde, and before he even slams me to the ground once im already dead from 5 poxwalkers hitting me

[gusty bison]

Yea corners back then were hell

Cos muties will just spin around them and grab u anyeay

[frank basin]

So they already reworked?

[umbral scaffold]

Remember the dogs being toxic

[frank basin]

The mutie

[gusty bison]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Ye they're a lot better now

[gusty bison]

Waaaaaaay back muties were batshit insane

[frank basin]

Lmao

Batshit insane

[gusty bison]

They would do instant 90 degree turns

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah they'd actually turn 90 degree corners

[gusty bison]

And enemies could hit you while you were grabbed

[umbral scaffold]

And just laser focus you more or less

[gusty bison]

So getting grabbed was a death sentence

[frank basin]

I see it does hit wall and stunned when I dodged

Or stop moment

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah they had to rework it since the release mutant basically didn't care

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[frank basin]

Aye

[gusty bison]

Back then sniper mutie combo was lol

[umbral scaffold]

There might be a post in the subreddit on how it worked
Lemme find it

[gusty bison]

Cos the sniper would shoot u out of the mutie's hand

[umbral scaffold]

Was super funny

[frank basin]

I saw clip sniper shoot mutie instead and killed

[frank ether]

ayo who tag

[umbral scaffold]

Ah right

I think the worst was the tox burster refusing to be pushed

[frank ether]

oh I mean, they already did that

they sold the good helmet separately remember?

[untold mulch]

True that

What a fucking joke

[gusty bison]

Intercontinental ballistic dogs

[frank basin]

Hunting grounds

[untold mulch]

I am tired of Hunting Grounds being the constant modifier

At least with scavenger I get all my ammo back

[frank basin]

Hunting grounds? Nah more like free ammo.

That’s what they said

[dire olive]

Bro is running Scavenger, Commando Pro and Stopping Power

https://tenor.com/view/mw2-modern-warefare-co-d-gif-12417675

[frank basin]

I miss Sustain fire feats

[strange sparrow]

MW2 my love

Everything is op hence everything is ok

[frank ether]

I don't mind it but dog AI being broken frustrates me

its almost like they take turns breaking enemies

[untold mulch]

[frank basin]

Immolation grenade go throoosssh

[frank ether]

the dog might:

1. go from running animation to jumping instantly
2. do a 360 spin before jumping without warning
3. zigzag around with zero inertia
4. sometimes just won't get flinched from your hit and pounce on you anyways

[untold mulch]

Real

The 1st is the one that gets me the most

[frank basin]

Pox hound jumpscare

[frank ether]

yeah whats worst is they can do a 180 jump while running away from you

I just dont trust hounds

[frank basin]

I do the dance to avoid the dogs pouncing on me

ASD + Space

[untold mulch]

Frag nade at my feet the second 3+ are at pounce range

[frank basin]

Timing frag nade save your bacon

[untold mulch]

100%

[frank ether]

molly is a lot easier

[frank basin]

^

[frank ether]

frag needs good timing

sometimes you can kinda do a slide and they'll jump above you though

[frank basin]

Getting all squad pounced: it’s over

Pox burster: we’re so back

[torn root]

I love me my invis zealots

look at that mvp over there

310 plasteel

man said don't worry about the pick ups

[torpid pier]

if anyone knows a good loadout for a Vraks VII headhunter in terms of perks + talent let me know

[gusty bison]

Surgical, Deadly Accurate, Maniac

Talent wise, Deadshot, Precision Strikes

[pastel geode]

You ever wonder what grendyl’s endgame is for atoma? The fact he works via proxy and doesn’t reveal his real face or voice feels really off for an inquisitor

[torpid pier]

ty 😄

[pastel geode]

I mean for all we know he could be Alpharius

[frank basin]

Is this alpharius joke?

[fathom grail]

Who is alpharius

[frank basin]

Clone marine

Like Trazyden the infinite clone

[umbral scaffold]

We're all Alpharius

[umbral scaffold]

He’s probably in charge of multiple sorta warbands across the local region of space

Grendyl might be personally overseeing a situation of something worse off than atoma for all we really know, or handling multiple tiny fires across the sector

[agile forge]

Best plasma gun build, and best perks for a mark VI power sword with bromentum IV and sadly power cycler III?

[torn needle]

Plasma with long shot, precision strikes, and superiority complex can reach all relevant bps with 10% elite damage perk, otherwise I think you go like maniac/unarmored or something

[agile forge]

Is shattering impact and gets hot a good blessing set-up?

[torn needle]

Ps6 perks are personal taste, if you have one with bm 3/4 and all the above picks and desperado you can two shot crushers with %carapace

Some people prefer maniac/flak, some prefer unyield/cara

[torn needle]

Yeah that's good

Plasma blessings are optional

Perks matter more for plasma and blessings matter more for ps6

[agile forge]

I think my plasma has elite and maniac locked

or maybe elite and unarmoured

so either way that's good, right?

[torn needle]

That's fine yes, if you run left bottom tree

You will hit bps

[agile forge]

So this necessitates a marksman's focus build then

that's cool, can make that work

[torn needle]

Not really

[agile forge]

haven't played vet since the talent trees were introduced

[torn needle]

Just need the elite damage and weak spot damage

[agile forge]

ooh, ok

[thick rose]

for ps6. is the activate cancel push attack a reliable way to kill a mutant?

[agile forge]

I don't wanna go keystoneless because sadness

[torn needle]

I mean you can jjust smack them if you want

But yyes push attack or heavy on the head is the way to go

[torn needle]

[agile forge]

even skipping the red talents deep in

man

veteran is still a mess lol

a strong mess now but a mess

[torn needle]

FS really said "yeah a 5s damage buff on ability use is a good pick"

[marble yew]

whats a good alternative to to the power sword and chain sword this patch, not really feeling either of those weapons

[gusty bison]

Why not

[torn needle]

⛓️ 🪓

[gusty bison]

Dclaw

[agile forge]

Irrationally feels bad, man.

I'll do it, I just don't wanna lol

[marble yew]

🤔

[gusty bison]

Shame. They are really good

[umbral scaffold]

New shovel, dclaw, chain axe

[gusty bison]

Vet has some of the best keystones atm

[umbral scaffold]

New shovel is probably my favorite for playing defensively

[torn needle]

Oh yeah new shovel is cool too

[marble yew]

which one is considered the best out of the devil claw variants?

[agile forge]

Oh, I was saying I do want to take a keystone

I don't want to skip them

[gusty bison]

I think 4?

[umbral scaffold]

Loving it myself
The dodge distance is big

[gusty bison]

Oh yea

Dont skip them

Unless ur using a HB

[umbral scaffold]

The horde heavy cleaving is good

[agile forge]

HB is?

[umbral scaffold]

And you get the good alt fire

[gusty bison]

Helbore

Helbore is like one of the only guns that doesnt necessarily want a KS

[agile forge]

gotcha. Used to like my mark II, felt like a better MGXII

[gusty bison]

Dont quote me on that though, i dont use the dclaws much

[final stone]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

[gusty bison]

Oh also

Shovels are amazing

Mk 3 shovel is S tier

[agile forge]

QUOTED

[torn needle]

Thrust and uncanny right?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[gusty bison]

MG12 is sadly underperforming atm

[gusty bison]

Oh

No

But it doesnt matter

Plasma blessings are all ass

Elite + Unarmoured is fine

Lemme get u a plasma build talent tree

[agile forge]

I heard most people swear by blaze away but idk, I feel like you'd want to use charged shots against big boiks? Maybe I don't understand plasma too well

[gusty bison]

Heres a tree

Blaze away is nice but ultimately its not a big deal

[agile forge]

Thanks my dude, walk always with the emperor o/

I've saved it, once I get one more game in on somebody else for the last bit of plasteel I need to finish tweaking my shit I'll give it a go

[gusty bison]

Adjust as need be

I dunno how ur plasma breakpoints might be

But the goal is to 1 shot everything less than a rager

[agile forge]

Think I have 70 damage and 80 stopping power

maybe 71 damage

I forget

[gusty bison]

If u dont then drop out for blood and its prior node and pick up elite damage

[agile forge]

Stopping power is more important than damage right?

[gusty bison]

It depends on breakpoibts

U need to experiment in the psykanium

Ur goal is to kill everything lesser than a rager in 1 headshot

(Flamers might need 2)

Uncharged btw

So LMB headshot

[agile forge]

What do you RMB for then? Just all the stuff you can't LMB to death?

or is it more dps to LMB spam?

[gusty bison]

Nothing

[agile forge]

I guess you can use it to tag an unaware ogryn for a one-shot or something?

first shot in an ambush?

[agile forge]

blaze it

[final stone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-mad-dead-serious-funny-face-gif-15086435

[gusty bison]

Ye

[agile forge]

Easy big man, I'm talking about the heretics

[final stone]

WEL DATS OKEY DEN

CUZZIN ROCKRI IS ANDSOM AN STRONK, E LUVS ELPIN CHAOKRI GIT DER SLEEP

[umbral scaffold]

🫡

[strange grove]

Need one of you to go fetch me some coffee

[strange grove]

wooo

[wanton dawn]

Is that what they call a spark head ?

[chrome pumice]

OH VETERAN CLASSES. Whats a good blessings pairing for Infantry XII lasgun weapons?

[gusty bison]

Not use the Infantry XII

Uhh

Headhunter Deadly Accurate

The lack of Surgical is pain

[chrome pumice]

wait what ya mean not use the infantry XII

[gusty bison]

Its one of the worse guns for vet atm

Only the recons are worse

The MG1a is generally regarded as better

[chrome pumice]

Seriously? Well shit Ive been playing vet wrong.

So headhunter guns then

[gusty bison]

I mean u arent playing vet wrong

Its just the MG12 is a gun with a lot of flaws

And not a lot of boons

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 wants surgical Deadly Accurate

[chrome pumice]

true

[gusty bison]

Vraks 3 wants Headhunter DeadlyAccurate

[chrome pumice]

Soo I use helbore?

[gusty bison]

Avoid the Agri 9 HH unless u know what ur doing

[gusty bison]

Helbore is a melee weapon in the secondary slot with a gun attached to it

Kek

[chrome pumice]

kek

[gusty bison]

In all seriousness its a very solid gun

[chrome pumice]

aighjt so uh which Vraks headhunter variant?

[gusty bison]

3 or 7

Ur choice

[sacred spindle]

before I throw the melkbucks at it, am I correct in thinking power cycler is a must-have for psword, even power cycler III if I don't have IV?

[gusty bison]

7 REQUIRES headshots

[chrome pumice]

welp time to test shit out

[gusty bison]

3 does not

[chrome pumice]

dang

Welp at leeast tell me if Helbore is viable. It feels so gooood to headshot crushers

[frank ether]

thats funny it feels better to use for me

[gusty bison]

Its a top tier weapon

[frank ether]

but from raw dps metric it probably is the weaker one

[gusty bison]

But not easy to pick up

[frank ether]

I just hate infant las bouncing around so I like the slowest one

[eternal venture]

Helbore is great but has a learning curve. You have to actually aim unlike the plasma and the revolver, and you have to account for the charge fire

plus some other bits and pieces, like knowing when it's okay to fire uncharged shots, etc

[chrome pumice]

welp I found my liking. 7 feels real good

[eternal venture]

Rolling a good Helbore can be annoying, too, due to breakpoints

[chrome pumice]

I got a variant 3 hellbore with <50 charge rate

But I cant say no to the others..

[eternal venture]

oof

[chrome pumice]

I mean the others are all above 70% so its pretty hard to say no to that lmao

[eternal venture]

It might feel alright if you get Onslaught (the chained charge speed blessing)

[chrome pumice]

gonna keep that somewhere

maybe modify that a little to my liking just a little if ya dont mind kek

[eternal venture]

Helbore's main advantage over the Plasma is that it has way better ammo economy if you take Shock Trooper and run Surgical

and it's more stable

[gusty bison]

Yea feel free

[eternal venture]

Helbores have innate Suppression immunity for whatever reason

[chrome pumice]

oh thank yee oh vet gods

[normal skiff]

Is Vicious Slice good for mk4 Catachan? I have read contradictory opinions on that blessing, some say its good, others that its bad or bugged.

[dusty sluice]

yay

[marble yew]

What's considered the best devils claw sword?

[torpid pier]

is this talent similar to vrak VII headhunter autogun?

[gusty bison]

Thats for V7 ye

[torpid pier]

ty

[tacit rock]

can someone help me understand weapon specialist?

[torn root]

what about it?

the crit?

[tacit rock]

When I use executioner's stance the 10 stacks are not applied or is it?

[torn root]

provided you have 10 stacks it should

ill load up in th epsychanium real quick

swapping to your ranged weapon SHOULD proc ranged stance, not sure why it woudln't

[tacit rock]

i figured using ES after getting 10 stacks of WS would help the bolter get crit chance and not lose and downtime on WS due to Handling

[torn root]

the crit chance is only for 1 bullet

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Wep specialist favors melee heavy builds since the shooting buff is significantly weaker than the melee buff

[torn root]

^

it expects you to get a few melee kills to enhance 1 shot, and get 1 ranged kill to enhance melee

[bitter turtle]

Also the melee buffs needs only a single kill to activate at full power while you need multiple ranged kills

[tacit rock]

It cant be one bullet because it has a time limit

[bitter turtle]

So you're expected to swing around and swap briefly to your gun before going back

Needless to say bolter is not a great pick for it

[torn root]

well the remainder of the buff lasts the rest of the timer, but the crit is just 1 bullet

[radiant plank]

oh boy

supercharge to BM for sure, kinda tempted to keep carapace though but flak probably better

[torn root]

keep carapace

100%

[tacit rock]

why isnt the skill "always prepared" not refilling my bolter?

[torn root]

other one can be what ever

[torn root]

I have mine with carapace and elite

[bitter turtle]

It should refill at least one bullet

[radiant plank]

[tacit rock]

it works if I draw it normaly

[torn root]

always nice to see someone learning how niche weapon specialist is

[tacit rock]

but not when i use ES

[bitter turtle]

Less niche and more bolter is just about the worst weapon for it

I can't think of a weapon I'd want to use less with it aside from helbore

And that's cause you just don't switch on hb lol

[serene orbit]

Revolver is okay with it, and probably the best choice? But I often need more than just one bullet at a time in auric damnation..

what I do is quickswap to my gun every time I get a kill until the revolver is full

[bitter turtle]

I've done plasma revolver and v7 fairly successfully with it

[tacit rock]

I'm guessing ES doesn't count as a weapon swap.

[torn root]

yeah i will say its weird that Executionor stance doesnt proc the ammo refill

must be an over-sight

[bitter turtle]

Must be because they forgot to care about exec stance

[marble yew]

what blessings am i looking for on a devils claw sword?

[torn root]

except it literally talks about changing to your ranged weapon

it's legit an oversight not sure what to expect from FatShark though

[tacit rock]

ugh

[torn root]

''when you WEILD your ranged weapon...''

yeah

[tacit rock]

I must be dumb

[torn root]

''when in ranged stance you INSTANTLY EQUIP your ranged weapon..''

yeah

idk english and function at FatShark is iffy

might have AI working in the background, would explain some ''inconsistencies''

[tacit rock]

instantly equip isn't wielding gotcha

[torn root]

equipping --- wielding , they are technically synonymous

especially in this case lmao

[spiral epoch]

https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/index#/installing-mods perk

[torn root]

?

iight so imma ask if this one is safe or do we get the post above removed

cause i know the mod framework on nexus would have an actual window, and that link above might be bait

also a link from a new account

[dry knoll]

reminds me, i trierd installing the scoreboard yesterday and clearly didn't do something right. Need to figure out what I did wrong.

[torn root]

did you do it manually or through vortex?

[dry knoll]

manually, vortex was being weird. It kept telling me it couldnt do something, I can't quite remember

[torn root]

I've said this before but you have adamant vortex users that will call you shitty names for not realizing it doesn't work 100% of the time

hmm

when you downloaded it did you move it to the mod's folder and paste it to the mods rundown list?

[dry knoll]

yeah, extracted to the mods subfolder. Made me wonder when I saw a further mods subfolder whether that was relevant. Perhaps it should be in main and the mods part in the mods folder.

Running vortex again now and troubleshooting that, fingers crossed it works and I can skip the manual troubleshoot

[torn root]

the bottom of the list in the mod's folder is the only thing you have to extract into DT's mod folder

just dragging it is not enough though

there is a rundown list thats needs to be edited to get the system to read the mod

provided you have the framework and other necessary components

[dry knoll]

right, okay that's probably what I was missing. Thanks I'll take a look.

[torn root]

mod_load_order.txt the mod file names should be pasted at the very bottom of the list, then save

example

[dry knoll]

Takes me back to patching New Vegas, is there an issue with the actual order or do they just have to go in at the bottom?

[torn root]

order you paste them doesnt matter

they just have to be in there

[dry knoll]

cool thanks

[vivid bolt]

me when modding discord exists

[ruby hull]

One of the easiest modding experiences ever

Sure beats wrestling with 500 mods in fallout 4

[torn root]

wish i could say that when vehement vortex defenders exist

something so learnable in a 5 min process, yet you try to note that and get bashed for not using it [vortex] 🙂

[ruby hull]

Vortex isn't really that bad, it's just a little obtuse. Still miss nexus mod manager tho

[torn root]

not calling it bad

just the soys that defend it when you even TRY to teach that it isnt needed

[dry knoll]

I'll be honest I just miss Readme files actually having basic info in them

[ruby hull]

You mean manually installing or using mo2

[torn root]

manually moving them into the file

[ruby hull]

For stuff like Bethesda games it's pretty mandatory cause it gets ludicrously messy if you dont

For other stuff not so much

[torn root]

always help to learn what needs to be done or even just learn it manually

last time i tried telling someone how --- I got bombarded with insults for some reason

[north raptor]

is it appropriate to complain that i just had a match with 2 stealth veterans speedrunning the game and running past threats

you just cant keep up as a psyker and still use a staff

so you just end up dead and left behind

[ruby hull]

You can only complain if the vets weren't using a based as fuck bayonet build

[north raptor]

i might actually block my first pepole to never have that expeirenec again

knife and columnus, both

[torn root]

well its vet chat im not sure how many are going to sympathize with the plights of another class

most i can say is probably run something you can survive with reliably

[ruby hull]

I get it, I main psyker

[torn root]

or lfg

[north raptor]

the point is your movement speed isnt high enough to keep up, EVER, on the squishy class, if you use the weapons that work reliably most often

survivability isnt the point, it's just being culled from the team in the eyes of half the group

[torn root]

i play nonstop with invis vets and psykers even on auric

so imma say it again

the most you can do is adapt sadly

lmao, nothing else is gunna change the fact that it happens otherwise, other than adapting or LFG

[dry knoll]

Honestly if half my team is using stealth to just skip the game and not help, I'd be upset. Using stealth to do missions or get space to deal with threats is one thing. Bailing on your team is another.

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, just block if you dislike their gameplay

It's actually griefing

[torn root]

yeah but that's gunna be A LOT of blocking

lmao

[strange sparrow]

I dont see it as a problem

[torn root]

idk if griefing is the right term either

[strange sparrow]

not like they're contributing more than a bot

[ruby hull]

I try to guess what kind of game I'm gonna get based on the lobby. If it looks like I'm gonna get a speed run lobby I grab my dueling saber laspistol crit build and speed run with them

[torn root]

griefing is like holding hostages at checkpoints

[strange sparrow]

actually it's more griefing than a bot because

[torn root]

not playing a way someone likes is diff

[strange sparrow]

the game punish speed running by spawning more stuff

which invisible gang doesn't get affected

[rain hatch]

It does?

[strange sparrow]

Intervention Mechanic

[rain hatch]

Or is there more stuff bc it's not dead

[north raptor]

well the gunners stop shooting htem and shoot me :/

[torn root]

if the mission ends with a W it doesn't matter tbh lmao

if you die 3 or 4 times with a nice haul of plasteel how is that griefing?

[north raptor]

yea it does, because it's 30 minutes of anger and frustration

[torn root]

meditate

[north raptor]

anyway im gonna block them

[ruby hull]

Well going fast is one thing, just bailing on you is another. I feels for you.

[strange sparrow]

Assuming they use the same mechanics from VT2

Speedrunning Intervention

Speedrunning Intervention is a system which punishes players for speedrunning and not killing enemies. From the way this system is made it suggest that the goal is to punish a group of speedrunners, not a singular speedrunner. That's fine, but in the odd chance that some idiot starts speedrunning, they might trigger Speedrunning Intervention. While it'll punish him, it can also punish the rest of the players as Speedrunning Intervention can spawn some enemies near the behind players. It does this by having it only activated once you exceed a certain threat level:

Regardless of if the enemies are spawned or not there is 8 to 12 seconds until Speedrunning Intervention is triggered again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/c79roi/vt2_intervention_systems_other_relevant_systems/

[torn root]

it's unfortunate, but in the event that you HAVE the need to want to complain about it on a discord that has a LFG area, the other solution is just to find a group

not saying its the perfect solution but sometimes you'll just eat shit because of other players

if they removed it then it just makes it free to do

[strange sparrow]

Also Rush Intervention exist but not for the case of Loner Zealot

[torn root]

if they keep it well we already know the frustrations ppl have

[strange sparrow]

Due to it's inherent Coherency fuckin with the AI Director

[torn root]

it's a non-issue imo 🙂

[strange sparrow]

The issue is just, Invi Rush Player make the game significantly more difficult for the remaining member of the team while not contributing as much as you would with a 4-player team

[torn root]

🙂

they can have fun picking me up then at every checkpoint

i can watch youtube

if you find it annoying

you can make it annoying for them too

get that plasteel regardless

or just have them come here and ALSO complain about it

free ride, free consience, more rolls

I Be Mooching

happened this game and i didnt even die

invis zealot and invis vet

[still nebula]

The best Veteran Boltgun build doesn't exi.. oh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMOEBAfnkjo

[torn root]

.>

I liek the Thumbnail XD

[ruby hull]

Zzzzzx

Id rather stab stuff

It's cause I'm wierd

[dry knoll]

If I'm not risking exploding on shooting, am I really shooting?

[ruby hull]

I only play vet to do the weird stuff

Like using a gun as my melee, or playing zealot as vet

[torn root]

vet has no weird stuff

that's psyker and orgyn

[ruby hull]

I refuse to play traditional vet. It's boring

[torn root]

rogue!

[ruby hull]

Lol

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet build

[torn root]

play more shooters

lmao

ill give you that one actually....

probably the only one...

[vivid bolt]

nah thats fair

speedrunning should only be done in private/premade/lfg/if teammates are chill

people cant keep up with knife & stealth so

[autumn bramble]

any mods to track accuracy for the make every shot count challenge

[vivid bolt]

uh

[torn root]

I find it ammusing to just be a dick head and make them have to pick you up like 6 times a run

[vivid bolt]

prolly scoreboard

[autumn bramble]

thanks

[vivid bolt]

they sometimes just let you die

[torn root]

thats fine

they need me fore the checkpoints at some point

or even if they don't, more youtube vids

either way im getting plasteel

if i ever get to the point i feel like complaining during a run, i just pull up some asmongold videos and ride it out

[dry knoll]

Don't know a mod, but I did find that using the pistol and being very careful (helps not having plasma or psykers in team) with shots let me do it within 3 runs. 90% accuray so just figure out what 10% of your ammo is and then use that as your personal miss counter

[autumn bramble]

yeah ive been using the ads stub revolver

[torn root]

there aren't any mods for accuracy for DT

[autumn bramble]

but i do miss shots and was wondering how far i am from 90% accuracy

been running into a lot of teams that don't know how to handle daemonhosts tho so its been rough

[thorn plinth]

i was going for that today, the plasma was by far easier than the revolver

and i am a revolver vet normally XD

[torn root]

you could ask teams to let you unload into monsters like BoN

[autumn bramble]

oh i do

[torpid sundial]

Wouldnt a shotgun be the easiest

Unless it requires you to hit all shots

[thorn plinth]

too many shots. 100+

[torn root]

90%

[torpid sundial]

All pellets per shot*

[autumn bramble]

the last game i ran i was shooting the bon

and one of them went and aggroed the daemonhost

so things went south real fast

[dry knoll]

hah

yeah dont waste shots on things that can zip around like that daemonhost. Masses of pox and slow targets are your real targets with that penance

[oak ravine]

any1 think the hellbore is weak? takes 3-4 shots to kill scabs

[thorn plinth]

indeed

[autumn bramble]

at that point i was fighting for my life lol

bet they wont do that again

[thorn plinth]

finished al lthe specific vet penances today, now its just clearing damnations and x amount of missions

[autumn bramble]

congrats!

[thorn plinth]

thanks ^^

[rare pumice]

Hey zepuchure, how did you pass the over watch penance? I’ve been trying but that shit is near impossible

[strange grove]

I love playing my vet once in awhile. Hey I'm going to shoot some guns..... (spends 80% of the Auric damnation match in melee), ok back to zealot.

[thorn plinth]

when i have cleared the damnation runs (need 3 more) means the redacted is finished and i will move on to another class to clear their penances

[thorn plinth]

actually jsut finished it.
find a malice (tier3) with low intesity,, and just try to stay safe xD
i used shout, you can take 1 melee hit at ful ltoughness and not lose the penance. so get hit once, shout to push everything off and get full toughness again

[torn root]

VoC with Smite Psyker is good enough

i did mine in auric

you can get hit, you just need to not take Health Damage

[thorn plinth]

you can do it on higher yeah, but if you are actively chasing it, might as well make it as easy as possible

[torn root]

k not gunna get into it, just find toughness manip

as long as you dont take health damage its easy tbh

[river escarp]

Best shovel

[thorn plinth]

just gotta be aware of stuff behind you most of the time xD

its the thing that got me, surprise hits from a "clear" hallway or corner

[inland orchid]

I did mine on repair before they buffed ragers so I got lucky

[thorn plinth]

not looking forward to the zealot, wounded penance tho,,,,

[inland orchid]

One snuck a smack at me behind but full toughness go crazy

[rare pumice]

Thanks guys appreciate the tips. I’ve been trying to be since last night to complete the penance but it’s difficult esp. when you’re paired up with randoms

[river escarp]

What Penance ?

[rare pumice]

Also, anyone got a skill tree that they can share for a bolt gun load out?