veteran-class

[tall torrent]

I could be wrong on that

[umbral scaffold]

I only remember people saying stuff about the 100% cap, which already annoys me when uncanny has 24% * 5

[tall torrent]

For veteran the rending talents are most useful for autoguns

Infantry autoguns
Vraks 3 headhunter

The others, not so much

[midnight totem]

what are good blessings for the kantrael shotgun again?

[naive aurora]

The devs consistently limiting our abilities to reach godhood is annoying me

[tall torrent]

Scattershot + flechette is pretty funny

[midnight totem]

cheers, thats what I was looking for

[tall torrent]

It works like this

Let’s say ur gun does 4% of its normal dmg to carapace
If you add the 10% rending talent, it’ll now do 14% of its normal dmg to carapace

[terse idol]

aww man

that's pretty good

[naive aurora]

For having such a big head crushers are fking hard to headshot with the plasma lmfao

[midnight totem]

does anybody know if loading the special shell for a shotgun counts as a reload?

[tall torrent]

In idle state they like to turn their heads

[tall torrent]

Yes and all the reload related talents affect it

Extra reload speed makes u load the special shell faster

[midnight totem]

... so Opening Salvo is also free crit

hahaha

nice

[tall torrent]

It has synergy but a lot of the times it’s not that great cuz u could like
Just take a 5% crit chance node that’s on the commando branch and it works all the time for both ur gun and melee, and with not that big of a difference in crit probability most of the time

I think opening salvo needs to have its crit chance bumped up significantly

The only guns it really noticeably benefits are shotguns and revolvers anyway

[midnight totem]

true

but this is for my specific shotgun build so

[shut flax]

Which Helborne is best for oneshotting things?

[serene sage]

Mk3

[umbral scaffold]

Opening salvo would honestly feel much better if it was a stacking buff that was consumed per shot

Because unlike what someone could imagine of it being the first 10% after a reload

It's the first 10% after a full reload

That completely screws it for shotguns, revolvers and other individual shot reloads

[thick pike]

If you had a theoretical 100% crit rate with opening salvo and shock trooper

Would you ever lose opening salvo?

[umbral scaffold]

Nope

[shut flax]

Dang, now I can see where the stamina regen boost critisism came in. It was self-sustaining when snap shooting a revolver, but deadshot EATS stamina on anything that isn't one.

[umbral scaffold]

Because it's deriving itself from the ammo being above 90%

The moment you go below 90%, the buff disappears

[thick pike]

That is good to know.

[junior needle]

Doesn't it work great for shotgun special slugs?

[umbral scaffold]

I mean, it does if you keep yourself above 90%

[thick pike]

@shut flax just use my rending + brittleness build with a Columnus Mk V. It does like 700 per weakspot crit on maniacs, and I can headshot crushers from 100% to 0% in 1.69 seconds of firing.

[umbral scaffold]

But I think a much better application would be for it to make it apply to 10% of the magazine after any reload

[shut flax]

I'll check it out. Where is it?

[umbral scaffold]

For example, you have a shotgun with 20 shots and that makes the 10% 2 shots

[thick pike]

Let me go make it in games lantern really quick lmao

[umbral scaffold]

The current way, you need to reload past 18 to get the buff

The way I thinking, any reload would give a stacking buff where the stacks are 10% of the magazine size, and the buff applies the... well, the buff

So you'd reload at 2 shots, 4 shots, 5 shots, any amount and the next 2 shots would be buffed

Independent of where you would be on the magazine

It's completely unchanged for magazine weapons, but gives it a much better synergy with shotguns, revolvers and idfk what else

The current good part is, to my memory, it rounding upwards

[ocean viper]

hadron once again scams me

[umbral scaffold]

I remember getting 2 buffed shots with the agri shotgun, despite it not being particularly filled with shells to the point 10% is 2

[spice wadi]

decimal magic oink oink

[umbral scaffold]

A pretty decent raw damage revolver tbh

But you can change both blessings and get a meta revolver anyway

[tall torrent]

All 3 variants can 1 tap many things

[tall torrent]

It’s just extra useful in melee scenarios

[thick pike]

@shut flax https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b07dec1-7323-408f-93d3-7a0a88d7341a/hiroshima-shrapnel-batman - Here you go

[serene sage]

im terrified that you run keep their heads down over the other two

[thick pike]

For the Emperor is pretty good. Born Leader is gay.

Sub either of them out if you want.

[umbral scaffold]

Two of them are mediocre and the second is situational

Well, the third

I am good at math when it benefits me

[thick pike]

Either way, Born leader's propensity for homosexuality is not the point.

[serene sage]

Long Shot is probably more reliable than Killzone?

[thick pike]

Long Shot is not more reliable lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Like, taking suppression on a gun that pretty much doesn't do it is meh

[tiny summit]

Gay

[umbral scaffold]

Home of sexual

[tiny summit]

Charismatic Born Leader enjoyer

[thick pike]

the point is that the columnus with rending strikes + brittleness is broken AF. You combine that with all of the +% damage talents you can get, and iron will with other toughness damage stuff and the shout overshield

[serene sage]

they both start coming into effect at 8m but long shot has fewer conditions?

[thick pike]

And you basically have an invincible vet that two taps everything.

Long Shot comes into effect at 8M with like 1% damage lmao

[serene sage]

it starts at 10% no?

[umbral scaffold]

I remember getting onslaught on my agri IAG, along with the close range damage and weakspot damage nodes for the ability

[serene sage]

like the scaling is 10-20%

not 0-20%?

[umbral scaffold]

I'd kill a crusher in half a magazine

[thick pike]

I have a 57 clip on my Columnus. I kill a crusher at 35/57 ammo left.

[umbral scaffold]

Blessed

[thick pike]

At 13.33/rnds it takes 1.69 seconds to kill a Crusher with it

Brittleness + rending OP

[umbral scaffold]

I think they might have changed that with the warp unleashed/rider change

[serene sage]

let me check in the psyk

[umbral scaffold]

Previously even non-warp psykers were taking that node because it was free damage at base

[thick pike]

Longshot goes from 8 to 30M

[serene sage]

I know, we are talking that initial damage though

im checking

in game

[thick pike]

Pretty sure it starts at 0% and works it way up to 20%

Instead of going from 0 - 10 - 15 - 20

[frank ether]

if you're not shooting into melee range longshot is adding something

[serene sage]

we are talking if Long Shot or Killzone is more reliable

[frank ether]

one is an on/off toggle

the other depends on who you shoot

if you're shooting things at like 15m+ longshoot is better, if you're shooting things at melee range or with enemies in your melele range, killzone is off regardless

[serene sage]

I mean to me Long Shot is the hands down easy answer

[frank ether]

its also easy to reach

one point investment

[serene sage]

Killzone is better than people think but not Long Shot better

[frank ether]

no pathing

[serene sage]

regardless im testing in the psyk for my own data

[frank ether]

killzone isnt bad I just wouldnt rely on it for breakpoints

[ocean viper]

revolver gang

[frank ether]

I guess the downside of either are negligible

if you just don't try to shoot things in melee range

[shut flax]

Huh, if you roll with Opening Salvo and Deadshot with Surgical IV on a Mk III Helbore (you get 4 stacks at a 50% charge rate), you'll have a certain 75% crit rate every shot. If you're willing to shell out an extra point, that's 80% crit rate every shot without waiting.

Probs common knowledge tho. Just thought it was neat.

[thick pike]

@serene sage I just tested it by standing in the middle of psyk.

Dreg Rager with killzone is 630 body shot with my single shot Kantrael.

It is like 590 with Longshot

[frank ether]

I dont think deadshot helbore 3 is the way you want to go

[frank ether]

but you're welcome to load that into a hi int game

I'm guessing you would want to go with shout at least

[shut flax]

Yeah, it's just theorycrafting.

VOC is assumed until otherwise stated tbh

[umbral scaffold]

I'd go exec stance out of pure spite for the helbore swap speed

My hatred is only matched by my wrath

[frank ether]

exec is better for hb breakpoints

the problem is

its exec

[shut flax]

Yeahhh. It just lacks utility.

[thick pike]

If I go at point blank my Kantrael is hitting 415, If I move it goes to 435.

[serene sage]

I don't think it starts at 0

[thick pike]

So you may be right at the 10%

[shut flax]

We had a convo earlier about if exec had less point requirements, if it would even replace VOC

[serene sage]

my testing comes about 5% to 10%

[frank ether]

doesnt change anything

in my opinion

no amount of point buffing saves exec

its just a bad ability stripped off of anything that made it relevant

[thick pike]

So the weird thing with Longshot is this...

[serene sage]

idk why the difference

[tall torrent]

U can build for the breakpoints fairly easily without exe

[shut flax]

I kinda wish Exec gave reload speed tbh

I understand why it doesn't, but it would be nice to have.

[thick pike]

I can get 704 by shooting a dreg rager from the mauler.

[frank ether]

doesnt change anything for helbore

you do not reload

[serene sage]

regardless, I think Killzone is fine, but I will still take Long Shot over it
happy to take both

[shut flax]

I'd run it on revolver lol

[tall torrent]

Longshot is nice

[thick pike]

Does Kantrael do more damage over range?

[frank ether]

it used to instantly reload on activation anyhow

[thick pike]

I don't see how longshot takes me from 415 to 704 damage

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns all have reverse falloff

[thick pike]

F in the chat for me testing this wrong

[serene sage]

dont shotgun have a fairly significant fall off over range?

except for the agri

[frank ether]

the dumb thing is psyker gets to have proper uptime on scriers gaze anytime they use it

veteran exec you swap to melee

or someeone steals your kill

there goes your breakpoints

dumb shithead design

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa also has a pretty significant falloff over range
Significant as in you don’t get one shot breakpoints reliably at like 9-10m with standard shots

Slugs different story

[shut flax]

Oh wait, would Duck and Dive alleviate some of the stamina drain of Deadshot Helbore?

[serene sage]

yeah

it's not bad, expensive as heck though

[frank ether]

you're still not gonna sustain it without +9 stamina

[tall torrent]

I really don’t recommend deadshot helbore

[thick pike]

@serene sage So I didn't consider the damage falloff of the Columnus.

[shut flax]

I'm already running revolver. If I wanted to do uber meta shit, I'd just go to psyker.

[thick pike]

Longshot is actually better tbh

[frank ether]

you're going to be permanently out of stamina and squishy without perma shout spam

[tall torrent]

Surgical is enough for crits on helbore, u don’t need deadshot on top of it

[shut flax]

That's a good point. I was trying not to wait, but I think just removing it is better altogether.

[tall torrent]

It’s very anti-synergy to how helbore is normally used

Unless you’re a bayonet enthusiast and really only pop 1 shot between bayonet atks

In that case it goes from “just don’t” to “questionable choice”

[frank ether]

hb3 bayonet isnt gonna cut it for anything past basic chaff

[serene sage]

is this build too crackhead? tear it apart.

[frank ether]

you'd do better with hb1 or 2

if you really insist on it

[tall torrent]

hb3 bayonet isnt gonna cut it for anything past basic chaff

[thick pike]

At the range that Killzone activates, Longshot and Killzone are basically equal but very quickly the damage falloff negates killzone whereas Longshot succeeds.

Then at a certain point they both just do the same damage.

So on/off is better than conditional base.

Dude, thanks for the help there. That is actually super nice.

[tall torrent]

Longshot is a really nice node for gunner breakpoints

Because gunners are almost always far away enough where longshot kicks in

And u can still get breakpoints while in melee range of hordes

[thick pike]

Gonna try see if Keep Their Heads Down has a noticeable suppression/stun difference

Not sure if For the Emperor is Worth it with shout for just 5s of damage buff tho tbh

[tall torrent]

It’s noticeable but a lot of the times it just prolongs firefights

And kind of anti-synergy because columnus5 wants to hit headshots and suppression makes gunners panic or duck into cover

FTE is mediocre but it’s at least a teamwide dmg buff

Born leader is usually bad but can be ok if you play gloryhunter plasma

[shut flax]

I just moved my revolver build to the Mk VII shotgun and holy shit it looks good on paper

Does Full Bore also apply to the slug itself?

[gray finch]

yes

[shut flax]

Hilarious

[junior needle]

Shotgun is just worse revolver

[shut flax]

I agree to an extent. It looks like a sidegrade depending on how you want to use it.

One MAJOR downside of revolvers is that you can't reliably return fire on ranged enemies without wasting your already low ammo supply. Idk. I might give it a shot and see how it works.

[odd sparrow]

dont agree, being able to stagger multiple targets and having way more shots before needing to reload are pretty decent upsides to the shotgun compared to revolver

[shut flax]

Less downtime for a specific damage window is a pretty big tradeoff tho.

It seems very "middle of the road"

[tiny summit]

Tell the crackhead to also stand still

[tiny summit]

Fatshark thought we needed that 10-15% reload off MF stacks

[odd sparrow]

thats a somewhat reasonable build for a bolter

[tiny summit]

Finally posted my build to gamelantern

[coarse orbit]

Quick question: how good is "opening salvo" on a MG IV Inf Las?

never vibed with the gun at first, but I'm willing to try it out again

[tiny summit]

All dedicated on your fire pacing

[coarse orbit]

personal preference, got it.

[thick pike]

Ogryns Coward Culling procs on suppression right?

[brisk sapphire]

Salvo not bad on ILGs

[muted knot]

what do you run on hellbore ?

or whats anyone running on hellbore ?

[tall torrent]

HB1 / HB2 / Plasma
Rashad axe

[tiny summit]

To others I have wasted points. To me, you're gonna send me tips on that 3 toughness I generated off a poxwalker.

[tiny summit]

Rather have the Stam delay over the Stam and toughness off tag?

[tall torrent]

Because it’s better for melee scenarios

Redirect fire gives me a bit better breakpoints

Reaper 1 crit headshot gives me 2 tap

[serene sage]

it's a agri shotty build so basically yeah

[tall torrent]

If I get crits I can 3 tap crushers and maulers

[shut flax]

Just gave the Mk VII shotgun a run. It's fine for general use, but the downtime is MUCH more noticable than with the revolver.

[south garnet]

This is the most insulting change to it honestly

Not even having that as a subnode either

[serene sage]

anything compared to rev and plas is rough tbh

[shut flax]

Yeahh. It's like bolters at launch.

Why use X when Y does it better.

[south garnet]

I like shotguns because of the extended uptime and the lack of bookend animations for reloading that give you an annoyingly long window to reload a single round

Like in the revolvers case

[shut flax]

It just irks me that the special shell animation is different (and longer) than the standard reload with shotguns.

[south garnet]

Plus the actual flex functionality, shotgun type depending

[serene sage]

okay chat, hear me out, I have an extra point with not much better things to do

do I take Enhanced Target Priority?

[tiny summit]

Born Leader

[serene sage]

what

[south garnet]

I do see people take that on auric maels not infrequently

[shut flax]

Depends. Do you already have Bring it Down or Superiority Complex?

[south garnet]

On the other hand I would never take it, so

[shut flax]

It's pretty nice to have if it doesn't come at a cost to your overall damage.

[tiny summit]

Been running it more. The randoms like it

[serene sage]

I can confirm this shit slaps with good melee techniques

one more point going where

[tiny summit]

Yes take the shared vision

[shut flax]

With your current build, sure.

[serene sage]

I can take field improv 👀

[south garnet]

It should work with this since you have shooters already too

[tranquil bronze]

I think I'm gonna give up on On Overwatch penance for now

[shut flax]

If you REALLY like to spam grenades, that can def work.

[south garnet]

Taking move speed over +1 Stam smdh my head smh

[serene sage]

im so undecisive 😦

there's also the 10% TDR filler node

or the Toughness regen one on MF

[odd sparrow]

i mean personally i cant live without iron will. And i would sacrifice all the stuff you have on the right side of the tree for it.

for just 1 point though i feel the support one that makes medipacks cure corruption is situationally really good

[swift narwhal]

should i keep this? never used this type of gun before

only back on release

[serene sage]

this is my side build for fun, not optimal
im just preparing for the day FS fucks up balance again

and make middle "unplayable"

variety, yknow

[south garnet]

Not the time to start using this gun unless you just wanna screw around, it isn't competitive against other weapons atm

Doesn't hurt to keep it for later tho

[swift narwhal]

aight i stick to autogun then

yea

[serene sage]

it depends, if you have a YT channel then it's a good gun
if you don't then it's shit

[odd sparrow]

fair, ive been thinking about doing a stupid boss killer krak build. With as many generic nade/dmg buffs to make kraks oneshot bosses as hard possible. But i cant figure out a gun to go with it

[swift narwhal]

out of curiousity, what other blessing should i get for it?

[odd sparrow]

headhunter

for those sweet crit burn stacks

[swift narwhal]

alright thx!

[frank ether]

they just gave it to ogryn

[wet elk]

is this bricked lads?

[placid portal]

Salvageable

[frank ether]

I'd start over

[wet elk]

its from melk

[frank ether]

dont buy it

[placid portal]

^^^

[wet elk]

kk

[placid portal]

I thought it was lvl 3 surgical

lvl3 is sorta salvageable

[frank ether]

just bad

[raw linden]

Why Mk3 though? Its kinda the worst

[wet elk]

because its what melk is offering

thats why im askin first

[serene sage]

Mk3 is fine lol

[tiny summit]

If you care about crushers and not the bayonet, mk3 is fine

[serene sage]

the best if you like shooting tbh

mk1 and 2 are more for the bayo meme

[raw linden]

Bayo is amazing though.

[tiny summit]

Nah. Mk2 shoots faster

[wet elk]

is it tho?

[serene sage]

yeah but it's not what they are asking

[serene sage]

it kinds is, but also semi bugged which might be patched out

though it has been 2 patches so who knows

[wet elk]

why even use melee weapon

shank em with a rifle

[serene sage]

it's very strong lmao

like im not joking

oh nvm

I see what you mean now

[wet elk]

[tiny summit]

Have good enough positioning, you'll only pull it out for pox bursters if you really want

[raw linden]

this

[serene sage]

just run and let your teammates deal with it

[tiny summit]

Holding a charge, looking at the burster to gauge whether it's good to shoot at its distance

[dire olive]

Nothing personnel kid

[south garnet]

Alternatively, pop the burster because funi

[raw linden]

wtf is that anime tier scope, lmao

[dire olive]

a mistake

[crude ermine]

I was about to say

[tiny summit]

True kriegsman need no scope

[dire olive]

The reticle is off centre too

[raw linden]

Looks like something my lil cousin would draw

[frank ether]

bayonet addicts when burster

[raw linden]

Just voice of command

[crude ermine]

I just remember where their heads are when aiming

[low yacht]

A good old shovel

[crude ermine]

Get so much of their head in your brain

[frank ether]

If you VoC bursters often you'll know it has a chance to just...

not work

because fatshark

[low yacht]

Send me to Vraks.

[raw linden]

Either way, the mk1, mk2 bayo, is so good, that I literally never have to pick up ammo. And my team can take all the ammo they need. That is all.

[frank ether]

veteran player discovers melee playstyle

[low yacht]

Valhallans existing

[spiral epoch]

flak to carapace or unarmoured to carapace?

[tiny summit]

That awkward moment of time when someone pushes the burster too early so it didn't blow and no one wants to spend the ammo to kill something that can be easily pushed

[low yacht]

I mean hypothermia is one thing.

[crude ermine]

Unarmored

[raw linden]

[low yacht]

I use a regular lasgun for my Valhallan build.

[raw linden]

I wish there was a krieg outfit in rotation, id buy that shit so fast

[low yacht]

Because who needs lucius for an accurate build.

[spiral epoch]

cool thanks

[frank ether]

krieg fans hooked to the fomo

[raw linden]

as if you aint

[junior grail]

Still waiting on Maccabian Janisaries

[serene sage]

still waiting for space marine skins

[junior grail]

So Ogryn?

[serene sage]

i want to play as ultrasmurfs

[junior grail]

Not in Darktide ya aint haha

[frank ether]

I'm still wearing penance armor

[serene sage]

surely we will have expansion

😭

that lerts SMs join the fray

[junior grail]

If we ever get new units, I want Nurglings

[tall torrent]

I think the devs themselves said they’re not doing space marines

[junior grail]

I miss fighting Skaven at knee level

[tall torrent]

And that it’s strictly to depict normal humans fighting in 40k universe

[serene sage]

we cab plaguebearers as a boss i think

[junior grail]

Yea I'm fine with that

[teal abyss]

I would honestly kill for an fps of this quality where you get to play as Terminators or Space Marines, Space Hulk is shit

[serene sage]

sm2 next year

[teal abyss]

I want to use Grey Knight wrist bolters so badly

[junior grail]

There was an attempt with Deathwing

[teal abyss]

Not fps tho

[junior grail]

Darktide got modded to third person, what if SM2 got modded to fps

[tranquil bronze]

Pseudo Catachan?

[north spoke]

But in Space Marine 2, I will

[serene sage]

i love that armor

[junior grail]

More Expendables than Rambo

[tranquil bronze]

And better looking pants that match it from the Commissary

I like mah knee pads

[potent lichen]

Chaxe or Chsword for horde clear? And which mark?

[junior grail]

Whichever you're comfortable with, both are good

[potent lichen]

I prefer chsword, but can't decide which mark to use

[arctic rampart]

I wonder if shovel, combat axe should be mentioned...

[potent lichen]

I tried antax with BM and just didn't like it

[junior grail]

Mk 4, the green one is better I feel

[arctic rampart]

its better on my zealot but its fine. I think I prefer shovel for bonk noise and mobility tho

[potent lichen]

Shovel is fun but I prefer using it for defense AKA on my ranged vet

[junior grail]

More responsive than the new chsword I feel

[potent lichen]

For my weap spec vet, I need a little more killing power

I'll try mk4 again and see how it feels again

[tall torrent]

That armor is very underrated imo, but it looks more like Mordant acid-dogs than Catachan jungle fighters

[muted knot]

i like the old one personally

[tranquil bronze]

Mordies don't wear armor

[tall torrent]

Oh mb typo

Mordant acid-dogs

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/88/Mordant_Acid-Dog.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171009205229

Armor looks similar

[tranquil bronze]

Oh those guys... Munitorum hate them.

[tall torrent]

They’re scroungers lol

[tranquil bronze]

Munitorum hates them because well... they keep taking more than what is allowed.

[tall torrent]

Yea

That green armor looks more like those guys than catachan imo

[tranquil bronze]

Well that's the thing. Mordants don't really have 'regulation' uniforms.

[tall torrent]

They do get a lot of Cadian wargear

[tranquil bronze]

Gee... I wonder why.

Honestly, could mistake the armor for Tanith First and Only as well.

[junior grail]

Psyker already got capes so why not

[marble yew]

what should i reroll on this plasma? `i was thinking maybe crit damage to either maniac or carapace and shattering impact to blaze away

[crude ermine]

Had a knife zel, but was actually a veteran

Basically the stereotype of the knife zel

But he's a vet

Like on auric silo I saw his ass all the way at the head of the gate and not even close to the elevator entrance

Died ofc

[robust lake]

Just the 2 perks and your set

[crude ermine]

And he was using lacerate

So nothing was dying over there

[leaden grove]

man i have a plasmagun and my son is being a pirck what do i do?

[marble yew]

alright what would u recommend for perks? i am not familiar with breakpoints on this

[crude ermine]

Died like 7 times

[robust lake]

Flak armor and carapace

[marble yew]

Flak 😮

[robust lake]

With that you can liquefy everything from a crusher all the way down to a disobedient child

Much like this diagram

[marble yew]

i thought it would already melt anytrhing with flak

[crude ermine]

Welp, that couldn't have gone any worse

0/4

[leaden grove]

luna

we just had a match with you

[crude ermine]

Oh?

[leaden grove]

pog

[crude ermine]

Nice

[robust lake]

Yeah we were literally in the same game as you lol

[leaden grove]

i was the vet that got klled by the other vet in our full vet squad

[robust lake]

3 times

By explosive

[leaden grove]

3 FUCKING TIMES

[crude ermine]

I was wondering what happened there

[serene sage]

Smol world

[crude ermine]

Smallville

[raw linden]

How do people play plasma. Feels so slow, especially with chickenhead zealots rushing ahead, and you having to kill the trappers that spawn behind.

then you add a few dogs and youre fucked

[crude ermine]

Oh god I hope I didn't accidentally load with the wrong set

[tiny summit]

Considering I can't read I'll take your word for it

[tiny summit]

Spam fire. It kinda just works.

[raw linden]

the fact you have to manage heat, imo makes it kinda gimmicky

[tiny summit]

You have a giant magazine so you kinda just treat venting like burst control. You can't pop from tap firing so just keep firing

[dire olive]

Emperor's gift was one perk/blessing away from perfection

[tiny summit]

Didn't even want to at least give 2 stamina or a dmg perk.

[dire olive]

ikr

https://tenor.com/view/we-were-this-close-krennic-orson-krennic-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-26204033

[tiny summit]

I don't mind Iimb splitter too much tho

But this was my first shovel

[dire olive]

[crimson crown]

my first ever four 80% + one 60%. too bad the 60% isnt on mobility but yeah lol

[crude ermine]

Wait

If I slap on onslaught and surgical

I can make it work

Because the perks are just elite and unyeilding

Then all I'll have to do is upgrade the blessings and I'm good till I find a better one

[sacred spindle]

I would like to apologise to my last 2 teams for using a bolter on my not-bolter build :S

"why is this thing taking so long to reload!?"

[raw linden]

dang so close to being perfect

[bitter turtle]

Go no respite surgical

Bayonet memes

Half jk

[raw linden]

nvm (edit)

[crude ermine]

I was about to say

Would be funny

As like a joke run

[bitter turtle]

It's actually legit

And it's better than a joke

For sure

Bayonet stab is better than the gun

I think no respite over onslaught is probably actually a valid alternative

[crude ermine]

I am aware of the stab's strengths

[bitter turtle]

Just depends if you wanna play that

[crude ermine]

Once a get a nice handful or at least a better one than my current

[tall torrent]

No respite + onslaught is pretty funny on HB2, but idk which breakpoints no respite actually give

Maybe scab rager 3 hit with bayonet instead of 4?

[raw linden]

I use the bayonet more than I shoot the gun lol

[bitter turtle]

I do surgical over onslaught for mk2

To pair with no respite

With how little I shoot compared to stabbing I figure it'd probably better lol

[tender rose]

https://youtu.be/Tuq8Rp5_z9w?list=RDTuq8Rp5_z9w

[marble yew]

anyone who can show me a good plasma gun talent build?

[frail bolt]

higher quality for when u and the bois are overwhelmed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WDAm_KHf-w

[crude ermine]

I spent more of the run stabbing than shooting

And I barely outstabbed our knife vet

What the fuck

But yeah I'm gettin the feel of it

[dire olive]

Plasma

[marble yew]

can you show me your build and plasma gun? i wanna try out the plasma

[sharp ember]

that mutant screwed them over lmao

is that canted aiming while crouched?

[dire olive]

It's a melee build lol

[marble yew]

🤔

[sharp ember]

plasma pairs very well with melee builds due to its fast equip speed

[dire olive]

Plasma is decent as a "I need that thing over there dead right now" backup

[dire olive]

I think it's from the weapon customisation mod

[sharp ember]

interesting, guess the mod maker likes to play titanfall/apex

[hollow ibex]

literally any build works with plasma tbh

[hollow ibex]

haha infinite cleave go brrrrrrrrrrr

[shadow aurora]

This goes unimaginably hard

[crude ermine]

I have just discovered the heavy stab, neat

[shadow aurora]

The whositwhatsit?

[crude ermine]

Helbore stab

[shadow aurora]

Oh funny bayonet. Congratulations

[tulip condor]

Hey peeps. Haven't played vet since the added new weapons. Anything fun for hordes and decent against most elites? (Melee)

[frail bolt]

yeee

[shadow aurora]

New chainsword has good horde clear

And being a chain weapon it bullies most things

Also the new shovels

[tulip condor]

oooo

The cadia assult?

[shadow aurora]

Yeah mb said two handed. Meant the new one handed

[tulip condor]

Haha was more hyped thinking 2handed

[hollow ibex]

i thought most of its attacks were strikedown 🤔

[shadow aurora]

Pretty sure it has a decent horde clear combo

Idk i mightve been mistaken i can go to meatgrinder rq

Very tired

[hollow ibex]

ok i haven't played with it enough to know

[tulip condor]

difference between the Ls and Hs

?

[tulip condor]

ah no worries

but aight, ima check it out

what recommended blessings and perks?

[junior needle]

For horde clearing purposes the chainsword wants wrath/rampage

It can't pierce enough bruisers to proc rampage on lights so you need wrath, unless you want to use heavy 3 to proc it every time you melee

[shadow aurora]

For horde clear its light spam. There is an overhead in there but the other attaks are side to side and a top left to bottom right slash

Heavy spam and ofc special for elites and other priority targets

[tulip condor]

understood, sounds more painful depending on H3

[junior needle]

Probably flak/unarmored for regular clear, you can use maniac but that assumes you actually melee naked ragers and rager packs are best shot instead.

[tulip condor]

Prefer range option yes, but i do find myself face to face with those groups because I can be aggressive at times

Flak and Manic then

whats more important: Finesse or shredder?

damn, dead weapon

[midnight totem]

Absolutely bricked

[robust kestrel]

HAavent messed much with crafting, why is it bricked?

[midnight totem]

I'd say finesse is more important then shredder, but not so much so

[tiny summit]

Crit dmg is bad. Poxwalker dmg is bad. Cleave off crits is kinda bad

[midnight totem]

You can only reroll two blessings/perks and all three here suck

[tulip condor]

yeah, best to save the plasteel instead of trying to making "something" out of it

[midnight totem]

Does the pushattack pierce 3 bruisers?

I'm almost positive it does

[tiny summit]

Crit and weakspot dmg perks are bad because the dmg it boosts is only the bonus dmg crits and weakspots give. Say normal hit is 100 and crit is 150. The extra crit dmg is only based on the 50 dmg the crit added.

[robust kestrel]

TY

[pallid verge]

Are there any good guides for this class? Other than the list of ranged weapons in the pin?

[gritty dock]

Is that really how it's counted?
There is an explanation or elaboration on this somewhere.
I always thought that if there is a bonus to crit, it is a bonus to the entire crit attack, i.e. up to 150 dmg in your example.

[tulip condor]

Alright, some good results finally (2.2 mil later). probably not a big difference but would like opinions:

which would performa better?

[spare mountain]

uh, holy shit.

[gritty dock]

Actually, they are the same weapons, I don't see much difference.
The first one will only have 1 dodge less.

[spare mountain]

what should I swap the perks for on this assuming I do pick it up?

[tiny summit]

As far as I'm aware, I'm trusting the nerds who actually data mine and number crunch the stuff

[thorn plinth]

currently doing some penance hunting, 0 ammo with 90% accuracy, i assume revolver is the easiest for this, due to ammo count.
volley fire active for 20+ seconds, currently using hellbore III, with ranged combatants marked (only for me)
frag grenade without bouncing,, super long throw (as penance name suggest) or short throw best for this?

[gritty dock]

Yes, there are a lot of crazy things in this game.
Especially the math and how all that extra dmg works.
There are many types of dmg and it is often confusing when you don't know how it works.

[stuck gorge]

for long bomb penace aka frag kills without bouncing, short throw is better imo, I did it by throwing into a horde about 30m away

[thorn plinth]

just surprised i have not gotten it yet xD
i have thrown many, both long and short, into hordes

[stuck gorge]

also i dont think you can even get it to blow up before it hits anything with longer fuse

[tiny summit]

For the long bomb I did it off some random start of a map

"Lemme just try this" and got it

[stuck gorge]

i did it by basically looking up til i could only see the hordes head then short throwing

[terse idol]

The end of that one train map is also not bad

[thorn plinth]

so, bassicly it explodes before landing, or in first impact?

[terse idol]

Wait at extraction for a horde on the platform badabing

[stuck gorge]

if it hits a enemy that also counts as a bounce

[terse idol]

It has to explode before hitting the ground

[tiny summit]

Volley fire is easy. Feel like I'm in exe stance for 30s minimum a lot of games. And yea revolver is your best pick

[thorn plinth]

well shiet xD i thought landing without "bouncing" was enough

[thorn plinth]

i never really used volley until i started going for penance stuff, im a shout vet normally

[stuck gorge]

oh yea what keystone for vet would you guys recommend, im getting closer to the level where i can get one

[tiny summit]

Yea it's easy. Just pop it and if there's a lot of riflemen it'll be easy. The assassination where you enter through the sewers and drop down into that tunnel is a good spot. Usually lots of riflemen, elites and specials there

[valid bluff]

Hmmm

[thorn plinth]

personally, focus target, feels superior to me

[valid bluff]

Skusher replaces All or Nothing and then elites to maniac you guys think?

How is Uncanny strike on shovel?

[tiny summit]

Depends. What are you using? Focus Target (middle keystone) is piss easy because it's free dmg amp and with 2 more points free toughness, Stam, and dmg for the team. I personally like Marksman Focus (left keystone) because I use Exe and Helbore. Weapon Specialist (Right keystone) if you like revolvers/shotguns and swapping back and forth between range and melee

[tiny summit]

Uncanny is nice, you'll only feel it on maulers/crushers and will be nice. Elite to maniac is nice as you'll likely be meleeing mutants and ragers at times

[stuck gorge]

oof took a bit to reload darktide since I disconnected from server but i mostly use columnus mk V autogun

[tiny summit]

Then probably middle is best for you. As you can head down the middle tree to pick up 10% rending as well. Recommend to grab onslaught on the right lower tree though. Fast fire rate gun pairs well with it.

[stuck gorge]

oh yea for CQ killzone ability modifier, does it affect melee too or only guns?

[tiny summit]

I would assume close range means melee too but I never did testing

[frank basin]

Close range like within 15 meter

What’s the state of Recon Lasgun now?

[silk wagon]

should i wait until level 30 to roll for weapons and perks

[tiny summit]

Same

[frank basin]

Nothing changes?

[tiny summit]

Wait depends your last assessment was. Still underwhelming to your options

[obtuse raft]

generally yes, you should keep your gear competitive while leveling but the stuff you will keep forever will not be dropping until post 30

[frank basin]

I feel the VIIa is weak shooting

[silk wagon]

okay thank you

[tiny summit]

Yea recons are still underwhelming to your other weapons.

[frank basin]

Vet is dilemma balanacing

I don’t wanna waste another plasteel on guns

[tiny summit]

Just pick up a trusty MG4 infantry lasgun and tap as fast as possible

[frank basin]

Fully auto mods:

I’m a machine gunner as veteran

Well mg4 is alright I haven’t upgrade it yet

Should what blessing being use as?

[tiny summit]

Most want Deadly Accurate and Headhunter

[frank basin]

Oh that likely lucky shot required

Hip firing I means

[tiny summit]

I mean you could go infernus or opening salvo I guess.

[frank basin]

Isn’t opening salvo like wait between cooldown

[pallid verge]

what about helbores?

[zealous wyvern]

i perform well with them

[pallid verge]

Are there any good guides for this class? Other than the list of ranged weapons in the pin?

[junior grail]

Infantry Lasguns bis blessings are Headhunter and Deadly Accurate

While I like Infernus, it really doesn't do much damage

[junior grail]

If you don't mind some youtube recommendations, I can suggest starting with Ryken

[pallid verge]

Please dont make me waste a half hour of my life listening to someone tell me things i could read in a minute. D:

[lusty jetty]

Goto gameslantern guides, search for veteran + weapon you like using, go from there

[ruby hull]

im gonna do something stupid

[serene sage]

My guide: pick plasma gun, get a melee that you are comfy with (cheap options are shovel, devil claw, and chain sword; more expensive options are rashad, power sword). Get a mix of toughness regen talents and damage, don't go full on glass canon.
???
Profit

[ruby hull]

im gonna try and do by best to make a mk3 bayonet vet build

or see if i can play mk3 bayonet with my current bayonet build at the very least

[pallid verge]

🤔 Its a bit odd i guess, i came here from sparky. Psykers have a complete guide with all the techs, abilities, weapons, etc all listed out in exhaustive detail, with meta reccomendations, what different weapons are good at, lists of especially strong or weak perks.... and then i came here and its like heres a list of guns and nothing else

[ruby hull]

nvm

[serene sage]

because vets are a contentious bunch

[low oar]

As is the way of the guard

[serene sage]

and our talent got like 3 reworks

[ruby hull]

i cant even 3 shot a rager with mk3 bayonet

[serene sage]

because FS can't balance

so gl writing guides for that

[ruby hull]

its cause psykers are built different and we big brain wanna break class

[thick rose]

it is a bit frustrating at first but I also found vet chat the most willing to help with all my dumb questions

[brazen bay]

alrighty just got off work, times to check what crap is down at melks today

[low oar]

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will ...

My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...

My rifle is human, even as I [am human], because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...

Before The Emperor, I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of the Imperium. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is The Imperium's and there is no enemy, but peace!```

[ruby hull]

plus psyker just straight up has more mechanics than any other class and most of them work in wierd ways

[pallid verge]

I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel.
Now now lets not get the tech preists mad...

[low oar]

Attachments are most definitely a thing in the militarum

It's just that Hedge said dumb shit

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/armi-memes-gif-movie-kubrick-gif-19897006

[pallid verge]

hedge?

[thick rose]

probably a fatshark community person

im guessing by context of a name and a dumb thing

[low oar]

Was a community manager who made the claim that this game isn't COD and 40k doesn't have attachments in the lore

[frank basin]

What make hedge left Darktide?

[stuck gorge]

so the flashlight on most autoguns arent attachments?

[pallid verge]

ha

no

[frank basin]

I know hedge existent last year

What make him left Darktide?

[pallid verge]

I was making a joke about how your not really supposed to know how it works. thats priviledged information for the cult mechanicus.

So you want to learn what your prescribed to learn, like the maintainance ritual, and nothing else so help you god emperor

also 40k verily does have attachments in the lore

[tulip condor]

thx. if it is the same stats, ill take the one with +1 dodge

[low oar]

He left the company. No real explanation why

[pallid verge]

like a whole fuck ton of them

probably for saying something that dumb

XD

[frank basin]

Sound like personal issue in real

[low oar]

I didn't look too deep into it

[tulip condor]

I'd switch crit for carapace for crusher takedown or flak

[low oar]

Hedge has caused a number of the meme sayings like "immeasurably complex"

[frank basin]

Man weapon veteran use is kinda boring right now

For ranged weapons most time

[pallid verge]

maybe use a plasma gun? im told they explode.

[frank basin]

That would be why he left with personal issue (maybe)

[frank basin]

I had that on one loadout

[low oar]

No idea.

[serene sage]

plasma guns don't explode often tbh
they explode once

[terse idol]

I mean from what I've heard he said some questionable things which made the community mad

[low oar]

They only explode if you overheat with the charged shot no one uses

[frank basin]

Right

[ruby hull]

man if the helbore mk3 had the mk2/mk1 bayonet it would be the best gun in the game

and the best melee in the game

[terse idol]

Is the damage that far off that it would matter?

[pallid verge]

On a related note, and to move away from the guns :P, whats the difference between the three shovels? And the two power swords? Which ones are better for hordes/cleave?

[frank basin]

Helbore I didn’t use bayonet much since is slow charge up.

I always wanted guns do horde clearing like Graia brauto

Different one

Stubber is my dream

For veteran not ogryn

[ruby hull]

mk3 bayonet sucks so hard, its got less range, less damage, its swings have wierd inconisitant delays and its angle is such that it misses headshots on stuff like mutants and has a tendency to hit whats next to you and not what is in front of you.

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[terse idol]

Uh, standard is pretty good vs hordes

Mk2 has a faster flip animation

[zealous wyvern]

but if you get used to it you can kind of get used to it

[crude ermine]

Powersword 6 is typically the better one

At least I think it's 6

[terse idol]

Mk3 has a slower flip but iirc hits harder?

I dunno about that part

[crude ermine]

I think it's the other one

3 is much faster

[terse idol]

Ohh

[crude ermine]

But the other hits harder

[low oar]

Mk6 is the preferred sword

[terse idol]

But mk2's animation is pretty fast

And it hits hard?

Wow

[umbral scaffold]

i might have to build a mk6

[terse idol]

But the left click/horde control feels aloot slower

Than standard

I feel like standard is very much designed to control and crush hordes

[crude ermine]

You won't regret it

[terse idol]

While the mk2 staggers but struggles to kill

[frank basin]

I have psword 3 got locked blessing with increase cleave on energize hit

[ruby hull]

mk2/1 helbore bayonet has stupid range, really fast attack speed, really good penetration, can oneshot mutants, perma stun ragers and maulers, can 2 shot ragers and oneshot every other special. with a melee weapon with brutal momentum it also horde clears like a boss

[zealous wyvern]

no longer

melee bm no longer applies to bayonets

[ruby hull]

it still does

[zealous wyvern]

strange people told me it does not

[ruby hull]

thrust doesnt

bm does

[woeful ibex]

Got a rare dialogue, The announcement trailer Squad has a name.

[terse idol]

It doesnt?

I'm confused

It DID get nerfed

[zealous wyvern]

i was thinking of limbsplitter actually

[woeful ibex]

the one where you see their bodies in the Investigation mission in Hab Drayko

[terse idol]

But I'm not sure how

[ruby hull]

limbslitter thats it, brutal momentum still works on the bayonet fine. also agile engagement lets the bayonet self buff its own damage by 25% after a kill

[terse idol]

The dead squad nooo

[crude ermine]

The fact that couldn't get through that kinda makes sense given the things thrown at you

[terse idol]

I was hoping they survived but woop

They are stapled near the tree

[crude ermine]

Least they're TRULY dead.. right?

[terse idol]

Yeah

No speculation

[crude ermine]

Wouldn't want a "your soul is stuck here" situation like nurgle's garden

[zealous wyvern]

have you tested it yourself in the meatgrinder?

i tried it in meatgrinder

bayonet does not buff its own damage

[ruby hull]

it sure do

it triggers the melee half of agile engamement

[zealous wyvern]

if you kill using the ranged weapon (bayonet is part of the ranged weapon), it will buff your melee weapon

no

[woeful ibex]

@crude ermine @terse idol I Legit can't believe the dead squad has a full name

[zealous wyvern]

its not "melee half"

its melee weapon

[ruby hull]

if you shoot something it tirggers the ranged half

[zealous wyvern]

no

[ruby hull]

yup

[zealous wyvern]

it goes by weapon

[frank basin]

Some said the psykanium doesn’t work with certain blessing or talents because bugged

[zealous wyvern]

not melee or ranged

[ruby hull]

you can buff it by 100% if you do a melee then ranged kill

[zealous wyvern]

so the meatgrinder is an invalid testing ground?

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[woeful ibex]

I never thought Fatshark atleast make their squad have a decent name instead of generic (Insert recon squad lost here)

[zealous wyvern]

i tried this specifically

in meatgrinder

and it did NOT work

[terse idol]

I mean... we don't exactly know but let's hope they're dead dead

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[terse idol]

Well like

The writer for DS is incredible

[frank basin]

They said mission is actual testing ground, go in test then dip. I know sound harsh for team

[zealous wyvern]

i dont have damage numbers showing ingame

nor hp bars

[terse idol]

Consider that FS doesn't feed us the lore directly but alot of the dialogue we hear informs of us the world

[zealous wyvern]

and i would not dip

i never leave a mission

[terse idol]

That takes skill

[woeful ibex]

true

Banter is really good NGL

[crude ermine]

the whole show don't tell

[terse idol]

It helps the world building sooo well

[woeful ibex]

also Professional have more and more cadian voice lines

[crude ermine]

..Kinda

[frank basin]

That my friend https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/16

[terse idol]

Oh I thought about something funny
So there's one Cadian voicelind that may suggest he was a Karsakin

[crude ermine]

I do enjoy looking around the background of maps

When I get the chance

Especially the Torrent

[terse idol]

This suggest the loose cannon is as good as a karsikin

[zealous wyvern]

i know

im saying i dont have the mod

[terse idol]

He's just fucking Unhinged

[ruby hull]

hehe, if i stab a rager in the head i do 860 damage, and if i first kill a poxwalker and then stab the rager in the head i do 1,075 , so yes agille does let the bayonet buff itself, and if i shoot and stab a walker then stab the rager in the head i do 1,290 damage

[frank basin]

Try install it

[zealous wyvern]

no

[frank basin]

I like to have it

[zealous wyvern]

i hate it

its not immersive

[frank basin]

Are you on Xbox?

[zealous wyvern]

i dont like numbers and bars showing up everywhere when the game does not really need it

its ugly

[woeful ibex]

so far found 3 voice lines when your professional homeworld is Cadia

[frank basin]

There’s option let you toggle the specific enemies health bar

Doesn’t have to be like see groaner or pox walker health bar

[terse idol]

To be fair that first line doesn't suggest he's from Cadia

He would know that cadia fell

Since the cutthroat lines comes from cadia

[woeful ibex]

true

[tulip condor]

Sorry, the first is the left one, yea?

[terse idol]

frankly I dont think the homeworld matters even abit

Besides choosing cadia

[woeful ibex]

yeah

[serene sage]

How do you even check that

[ruby hull]

@zealous wyvern try testing it before callin me out

[serene sage]

I can't recall the options I picked at all

Except the voice line which is professional

[terse idol]

Yeah

That's how little it mattwrs

[frank basin]

I named my veteran: Khrone-Mercenary

And yes a misspell

[terse idol]

😌

He likes corn alot

[frank basin]

His voice is professional

[thorn plinth]

now that i know, the grenade had to not hit the ground at all, i got it on the second map attempt xD

[frank ether]

yee its easy

once you know how

[thorn plinth]

just need a big/long enough map location with a horde spawn

[frank ether]

long throw and its that shrimple

[thorn plinth]

yup

now, just no ammo, no melee damage, volley 20+

[frank ether]

doing vet penances

teaches you a lot about the class

[frank basin]

No ammo try to shotgun

No survivalist

[frank ether]

revolver would also work

[thorn plinth]

once im done with vet (outside of pure mission count) im gonna move to the others.

[frank ether]

og revolver gets like 50 something bullets

[frank basin]

If you are good aim with revolver

[thorn plinth]

yeah revolver has half the count of the shotgun xD

[frank ether]

you can just shoot ogryns/monstros for a game

[frank basin]

Shit aim go shotgun

[frank ether]

and it will be done easily

[thorn plinth]

i am normally a revolver shout vet, so im comfortable with it 😛

[frank ether]

the trick is to go for low risk bodyshots on big targets

[thorn plinth]

not ideal for the volley 20+ tho XD

[frank ether]

and if you're shouty vet

you can also do no melee damage

easily

[crude ermine]

SCREAM

[terse idol]

Oh also like

Take your time

[frank ether]

^

just don't panic

[thorn plinth]

indeed

[frank ether]

and remember you have a few shots worth of error room

[terse idol]

To make every shot count™️
I literally spent seconds aiming down and making sure the enemy I was gonna kill wasn't gonna instantly die

[crude ermine]

Panic is the enemy, and the enemy should be avoided

Or shot

Or beaten to death

[thorn plinth]

was wondering, the new hipfire revolver,, on big monsters, might be good to empty the mag when the option is there,, or is it too unruly? not tried it yet

[crude ermine]

VERY niche

Like

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-gif-25676903

[terse idol]

Second, in THEORY if you miss a bunch of shots, you have to make up the difference

[crude ermine]

You need to create an entire setup and build JUST for that

[frank ether]

last time I tried to give someone advice for penances they RQ the discord

[crude ermine]

And you'll cripple your other specializations

[frank ether]

so I'm being really careful about how I phrase stuff now .d

[crude ermine]

But it's still fun

[terse idol]

So I mean, if you shoot 100 times and miss 8 times you'll still be in the clear

If you shoot less prepare to miss less

[thorn plinth]

i accept i am a shitty gamer, so lay it on me! 😄

[frank basin]

As long 90%

Accuracy

[terse idol]

I missed at least 6 or 7 shots but I still got it

Thankfully

[frank basin]

Shotgun is viable

Is hard miss

[terse idol]

And another vet had survivalist on and was trying to do it with a bolter

[frank ether]

nah some people just see insults where there are none

[thorn plinth]

indeed, barely any room for error, the one i just finished, had some unlucky suppresion times :/

[terse idol]

It's very possible

[crude ermine]

Annnnd I just realized this is about the penance

[terse idol]

Even in not ideal circumstances

[thorn plinth]

xD yes

[zealous wyvern]

1. bring a non-ammo aura
2. use plasma for least shots required (it only has little ammo especially when you charge shots)
3. pump into bosses and ogryns and hordes (watch out forteam oneshots like krak grenades or thunderhammers)

[frank ether]

💀

[zealous wyvern]

it is really not that bad anymore

[thorn plinth]

not using the hipfire revolver for normal stuff

[zealous wyvern]

plasma with charged shots only has like

30 shots

for the mission

[frank ether]

that could work well

[zealous wyvern]

you think you can hit like

[thorn plinth]

hmm true

[zealous wyvern]

27 shots?

[terse idol]

Strangely dumping bosses can make you miss too

[thorn plinth]

never really used the plasma,, as last time i tried it,, i hated it xD

[frank ether]

though revolver is just really really easy due to bullet magnetism

[terse idol]

Unless you take it sloooow

[zealous wyvern]

ofc watch for hp bars

and team bursts

like krak etc

[frank ether]

revolver's popularity in meta imo has a lot to do with how much bullet magnatism it has

[terse idol]

I thought magnetism wasn't really big at all on pc

Its huge on console though

[zealous wyvern]

revolers hitbox is good but its ammo efficient as hell

i would recommend plasma because you WANT To run out of ammo as fast as you can

[frank ether]

I still notice revolver on mouse hitting headshots that should have missed

a lot

[terse idol]

Hmmm

*nod

[zealous wyvern]

i got it easily with plasma and back then it was 100% not 90

[thorn plinth]

this is for the penance to run out of ammo with 90% accuracy, so its good its bad on ammo xD

[zealous wyvern]

and ammo aura too

[zealous wyvern]

exactly you got it

[frank ether]

could be that the head hitbox for revolver be just that big

[zealous wyvern]

you want to bring plasma

[frank ether]

so I don't want to talk with certainty

[low oar]

Ammo efficient, high damage, partial reloads to instantly get a round you need, ridiculous rending with hand cannon, really high pierce

[frank ether]

I didn't go inspect the code

but I can swear revolver just hits easier

[low oar]

Legitimately a billion problems

[thorn plinth]

gonan try out plasma, see how it feels ^^

[frank ether]

The thing I don't understand is the amount of penetration when even DMR style weapons like Vraks 7 dont get this treatment

[terse idol]

[thorn plinth]

also,, completely unrelated,, am i the only one that automatically tries to "slide" down the stairs in HQ after missions XD ?

[stuck gorge]

bro WHAT

[terse idol]

That's

Crazy

definetly it was because of the spread

Wow

[crude ermine]

It's only on a few places like the psykarium and only affects IAG's but it's DEFINITELY present

[terse idol]

Ohh

[crude ermine]

Fucking hate it

[stuck gorge]

the spread is conveniently placed directly around the enemies head no matter where you aim!

[crude ermine]

I don't even have aim assist on

Fucks with my brain on whether or not I'm actually hitting the mf

[terse idol]

You're on console Luna?

[serene sage]

[crude ermine]

Yes

[terse idol]

Woooah

[serene sage]

holy shit the magnetism

[terse idol]

That's real gaming

[frank ether]

and to think people want PvP for this game

[terse idol]

Pvp would be fun

Not like

Viable

But fun

[crude ermine]

It would be a MESS

But fun

[terse idol]

I would love to be a scab gunner fucking unloading into an ogryn

[stuck gorge]

isnt aim assist like your crosshair gets dragged in the direction of enemies a bit? or is it just bullet magnetisim for this game

[serene sage]

wait so is it the same if you use mouse and keyboard?

like on game pass for example

[frank ether]

seems like just bullet magnetism for DT

[terse idol]

I don't think it's thst bad

[serene sage]

is or it only controller?

[frank ether]

Doubt it

[tall torrent]

IAGs have crazy bullet magnetism because the recoil would actually be pretty hard for controllers

[crude ermine]

Crosshair drag

It's SOOO slow

[tall torrent]

It’s not on any other weapon I think

[crude ermine]

And just slows down the pace for me aim

[serene sage]

damn imagine that kind of magnetism on gamepass version

[crude ermine]

High sens and aim assist DONT mix

[frank ether]

I don't normally play crossplay games

[tall torrent]

I think it only applies if u plug in a controller

[frank ether]

unless its PvE like this

[serene sage]

some vets will absolutely clean house

[terse idol]

This is reminding me of how people would need to buy joystick extenders to make their aim faster on COD4

[serene sage]

please tell me that' adjustable in settings

[crude ermine]

Nnope

[serene sage]

shoot me

[crude ermine]

Out of ammo

[frank basin]

Ammo crate!

[crude ermine]

You got like

4 modes of it

[serene sage]

grenade me

[crude ermine]

I can't be bothered to remember

It's why I usually suggest turning it off to console players

[frank basin]

You dislike console player?

[crude ermine]

Not really

But some...

Can be odd

But as for pc players too

Each can have the dumbass

[frank basin]

My friend hate console players is pain to carry

[stuck gorge]

if theres 4 modes i assume 1st is crosshair drag/snap onto enemies when aiming 2nd/3rd is just one or the other and 4th is disabled.

[crude ermine]

You don't preform as well due to the troller limitations

[frank basin]

Hmmm

[crude ermine]

But you'll still preform well enough

If you're

You know, good

[frank basin]

My vet died twice on high intent damnation

My melee is grey

Lmao

Is take 4-5 hit on scab melee or Dreg

[crude ermine]

Grey and pray

[frank basin]

For them to die

[terse idol]

Yeah thats not good

[frank basin]

I’m broke on plasteel

[stuck gorge]

im broke on everything

[crude ermine]

Should be that

[frank basin]

I keep upgrade other loadout melee like chainsword

Mk xiiig

[stuck gorge]

i have like 600 diamantine atm

[frank ether]

I usually take bad teammates like a modifier

[crude ermine]

I'm broke after failing to get the perfect helbore

[frank ether]

its the right mentality to have

but some people

[frank basin]

24k diamantine and 900 plasteel

[crude ermine]

2 perfect rolls

[frank ether]

try my patience

[crude ermine]

Down the drain

[stuck gorge]

you wanna like, hand some over?

[crude ermine]

Melk hasn't given me SHIT

[frank basin]

I wish

[crude ermine]

So I've just been accumulating melk stufg

[frank basin]

I wish we have ecomony conversion

[terse idol]

Only 900 Plassteel

[thorn plinth]

is this one worth buying from Melk,, purely for the onslaught, as i have surgical III one my other hellbore

[frank ether]

oh yea melk usually has nothing for me but today I snagged a good knife

[terse idol]

Death

[crude ermine]

Well I could grab that thrust 4 for the chaxe

[terse idol]

I got 200

[crude ermine]

Just for my zel

[frank basin]

So I can buy plasteel with Ordo docket

[frank ether]

sour melk got this for my zealot

[crude ermine]

But fuck that