veteran-class

[torn root]

im not having you evelution lovers

yuck

[sharp ember]

it's not evolved though

[junior grail]

Bold to assume I wanna evolve my Eevee

[wanton dawn]

MAN YOU JUST HAD TO SAY IT

[last pewter]

did you know

[junior grail]

gives water stone

[sharp ember]

[torn root]

aye buddy, put that down

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[torn root]

preferably away from the pokemon

[junior grail]

Theres no law against pokemon, batman...

[torn root]

ayo!

[last pewter]

no sleep

[marsh condor]

Winchester in 40k when?

[sudden dome]

it better be in bolter rounds if you want it to be useful

[terse idol]

We can just chamber it in like

[terse idol]

500 nitro express

[sharp ember]

the agri shotgun kinda handles like a martini-henry if you exclusively use slug shells

[marsh condor]

Or just good ol .50

[terse idol]

We want the thing gonzo

[sudden dome]

reminder a tiny revolver bullet hits harder than a rocket propelled grenade in this game

[wanton dawn]

Looks frisky

[spring rose]

Hey emperor's blessings work in mysterious ways

[terse idol]

It uh uh uh uh

[spring rose]

Cough hand cannon cough

[terse idol]

Bolter is uh, HP

Revolver is AP

[amber cliff]

If they made a lasgun it’s better in every way. But the laz bolt was blue. Would the guard reject it out of superstition

[torn root]

and lasers are less effective on basic metal armor than a paperweight bullet

[spring rose]

They need to buff lasguns and bolter fr

[sudden dome]

lasers cause recoil

[terse idol]

Naw I doubt it, some sources do state they can even turn the light from the lasgun off

[amber cliff]

Bro don’t

[marsh condor]

Especially recon.

[terse idol]

So you don't see it it'll just hit

[amber cliff]

Don’t start that recoil shit

[marsh condor]

They tried to make it accurate, but it's horrible.

[amber cliff]

I can’t handle it anymore

[terse idol]

Lasers would infact have no recoil

[torn root]

nah its inevitable

[terse idol]

Its light

Its like turning in a flashlight, a very concentrated flashlight

[sudden dome]

if it didnt have recoil I would use it despite the half dps compared to bullet guns

[torn root]

recon basically has no recoil its the closest to an actual laser gun

[sudden dome]

but no

recon also sucks worse thant the shredder pistol

[terse idol]

Shredders... alive

Kinda

[marsh condor]

The Devs tried to make them recoiless, and in the end it's fuckin disgusting.

[amber cliff]

The reason they have recoil is because a high damage single target guh with the range of a sniper with no recoil would be busted I assume I dunno

[terse idol]

Its like the useful hoe-dunk redneck uncle

[spring rose]

Fatshark really put a new meaning to emperor's flashlight with that weapon

[torn root]

thats fine

remove themt hen

[marsh condor]

I mean disgusting in a bad way

[amber cliff]

[marsh condor]

Not busted, just...

[torn root]

not because its a scifi genre means it needs to copy starwars

[amber cliff]

Also recoil makes the gun feel stronk

[marsh condor]

Blergh

[amber cliff]

Oomph

[torn root]

yes

[marsh condor]

Ork logic

[torn root]

i want my gun to bump while it does no damage

[marsh condor]

And considering what Orks do...

[sudden dome]

arent starwars guns plasma, like they use metal rounds they turn into the projectiles thats why they pull things out of their armor when hit

[torn root]

lasguns are just 40k universe nerfguns

they tickle just as much

🙂

[amber cliff]

Bruh pls

Las guns are strong

IN LORE

IN LOTE

[spring rose]

In lore yeah against humans

[torn root]

Bolter Stronger 😦

[marsh condor]

I find my Lasguns working well enough

[spring rose]

[sudden dome]

reminder that flashlights can wake up demon hosts, both the recon guns and the actual flashlights

[spring rose]

Fr

[marsh condor]

And I specifically mean the Infantry Lasguns

[spring rose]

Lasgun can penetrate solid concrete, big whoop now try that against a tyranid

[marsh condor]

Tyranids are bullshit.

[sudden dome]

lasguns are now weak in lore beacuse everything that couldnt fight them died a long time ago so that just leaves humans

[terse idol]

Nonpnnono

[spring rose]

Im conviced They got plot armor cutting though space marines like Swiss cheese

[terse idol]

Hold on hold on

Thats a meme

In the 40k Fandom

[sudden dome]

memes exist for a reason

[marsh condor]

Through "evolution" and "adaptability"

[terse idol]

The lasgun is INCREDIBLE against unarmoured targwts

But it can melt an astartes armour if enough people hit it

[sudden dome]

and who the hell are they fighting thats unarmored other than humans

[bitter turtle]

Space marines are smelly

[terse idol]

Lasguns are actually fucking scary

[terse idol]

Orkz

Nids

Chaos cultists

[marsh condor]

Mostly the fodder nids.

[terse idol]

Gene stealer cults

[terse idol]

That's alot to be fair Hormagaunts Tormagaunts

[marsh condor]

By Chaos cultists, we mean those which are no longer human.

[terse idol]

Flyers

[torn root]

these are all armoured tho

[sudden dome]

nids are going to armor up the second they get into armosphere, genestealers are just humans with extra steps and dont orks want to die so they can spread their spores

[torn root]

lmao

[terse idol]

All unarmoured

[terse idol]

Some aren't

Like uhhh

Fuck I forgot

[torn root]

orks literally have metal on them more than half the time

[terse idol]

Well yeah

[marsh condor]

Studded armour

[sharp ember]

i believe star wars blasters are straight up thermal plasma from superheated gases, no physical projectile

[terse idol]

But not their faces

Or chests

And look

It can melt armour

[sharp ember]

is there a star wars scene where a projectile gets lodged in armor?

[terse idol]

With enough shots

Orkz are also goofy guys

[marsh condor]

Basic Ork armour is canonically shittier than Flak armour.

[terse idol]

Yeah

Come on guuys

[marsh condor]

I want you all to remember that.

[terse idol]

The lasgun is alright

This is why guardmen

[sudden dome]

must be random planet stuff when the cartoons pull the metal chunks out of their armor then Ive seen it happen twice ones in the old republic and once in the clone wars thing

[torn root]

tresh

[terse idol]

Number in the thousands

[sudden dome]

but it could just be a different weapon

[terse idol]

Because concentrated fire

[sudden dome]

there are plenty of starwars weapons

[wanton dawn]

Isnt flak a good armor though ?

[terse idol]

Its alright

Orkz have flak armour at home

This isn't like,reflective armour

A lasgun will punch it

[torn root]

i wanna say tho

[sudden dome]

if you turn on 1000 flashlights and concentrate them at one point you could probably burn paper

[marsh condor]

It's average, just piss poor compared to most other armour.

[bitter turtle]

Flak is efficient armor

[torn root]

isnt the carapce in this game not reflective

[terse idol]

Only like war bosses or like heavier orkz will have strong armour

[bitter turtle]

Not amazing durability but flexible and cheap

[terse idol]

It deflects

Still need AP to hit it

[torn root]

canon wise isnt it legit just basic ass heavy metal?

wouldnt that make it not reflective?

[marsh condor]

Carapace Armour, Power Armour, Eldar Mesh Armour, etc.

[terse idol]

I mean canon wise, orkz just take a sheet of metal

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are like "CARAPACE" and am like "it looks heavy yo"

[terse idol]

Stick it on their chest

[torn root]

its just dense metal

[terse idol]

And believes it can take a few hits

It depends what they take

Orkz dont exactly... make good things

[marsh condor]

Carapace Armour consists of large, rigid plates of armaplas or ceramite molded to fit parts of the body.

[bitter turtle]

Carapace is much clunkier than flak is part of why flak more commonly used

[terse idol]

All the good shit is reserved to the biggest ork who can kill the ork who grabbed it

[marsh condor]

Found this, so basically Carapace is made from the same bits that made Power Armour.

[wanton dawn]

I mean, flak is better logistics all together

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[terse idol]

Special forces like scions have carapace armour

[amber cliff]

Ork belief like that is pretty flanderized (if that’s how you spell it) if a ork belives a sticks gonna shoot out the stun it’s still just a stick

[terse idol]

But still if you get shot by 100 Las rounds

Even carapace armour is gonna struggle

[marsh condor]

Just without the actual mechanical parts that makes it "powered".

[terse idol]

This is why imperial guardsmen come in the thousands

[terse idol]

Well yeah

It like

[sharp ember]

the effectiveness of carapace armor in this game may be a little embellished

[terse idol]

It has its limits

Its the meme vs reality

Unless the ork warband is pretty strong

Its gonna be limited

We saw how scary a huge waah can be

The beast

[wanton dawn]

Am a simple man: i see power armor i think "i hope i have time and a degree for maintenance otherwise machine spirit help me keeping that engineering nightmare moving"

[marsh condor]

Flak Armour is basically Kevlar, Carapace is the most you can get without needing an exoskeleton, Power Armour is really a combination of thicker Carapace and an exoskeleton, etc

[terse idol]

he strapped rockets to moons and launched them at planets

[sharp ember]

then again, revolver is embellished

[sudden dome]

space marines are sealed in their armor right? at what point in a battle does it just give up and become a tomb instead of helping

[torn root]

gork and mork wul likz a wurdz with yus

[sudden dome]

or can they just move around with it broken just fine

[wanton dawn]

Erm, i think its an sc2 trailer thing

[marsh condor]

They can do the latter, and I believe they can also remove it just fine if necessary.

[wanton dawn]

Probably just annoying to remove alone

[marsh condor]

The black carapace is what keeps them working so well.

[wanton dawn]

Unless you are csm

[sudden dome]

they probably are made to last years without much maintenance anyway so it probably doesnt matter 99.999% of the time

[marsh condor]

Wait, what were we talking about again?

[torn root]

i thought the armour wasnt stuck on them

[sudden dome]

cant imagine sending marines down onto a planet with minimal support in powerarmor that will break down in a few weeks

[torn root]

in books there are comments on seeing their bodies out of it

[sudden dome]

I thoguht it was screwed into them

[terse idol]

Well I imagine if the armour gives up the space marine is fucked up enough to be out into a dreadnaut

[sudden dome]

and then screwed off

they have those videos of them entering a machine that screws it onto their bodies

[wanton dawn]

This is w40k. Maintenance put the "holy" in "work". Aka space magic but with light

[shrewd acorn]

If i have 32% on mobility for an mk3 shovel, is that a bad thing?

[terse idol]

I'm sure the ad mech help or have their branch go help the astartes fix up their armour

[torn root]

yea

[sudden dome]

do you lose a dodge? no? then it doesnt really matter

[torn root]

-1 dodge i think

[sudden dome]

if yes then yes

[marsh condor]

You won't be able to dodge a lot

And you won't spring as fast.

[wanton dawn]

The only difference between w40k and starwar as far as space fantasy goes is alien integration and general grimdankness

[torn root]

the lowest i think you can keep without losing oa dodge on a weapon was 42% i think

might be higher

[shrewd acorn]

That's upsetting, it has 80% in everything else

[marsh condor]

Oof.

[wanton dawn]

Also w40k like pointy things more

Like, REALLY pointy

[sudden dome]

in starwars the emperor is the bad guy, in 40k the emperor is the bad guy you have no choice but to rally behind

[terse idol]

Yeah and alot more fucked up shit

40k but the good guys are tau

[sudden dome]

ew

Id walk into the eye before admiting that

[torn root]

yo no cap

[terse idol]

You can't handle the truuuth

[torn root]

in starwars the jedo weren't the good guys either tho

[wanton dawn]

Big men is a successful palpatine

[torn root]

🙂

[marsh condor]

Oh, speaking of the Tau, it took me a while before I realized why the Tau are looked with so much disdain beyond the usual reasons.

[terse idol]

Well they had a tendency to be... very arrogant

[sudden dome]

legends palpatine did nothing wrong but legends isnt cannon anymore

[wanton dawn]

Even got stuck in a chair after getting no scoped by favorite apprentice

[sudden dome]

they got rid of him and killed 3 trillion people because of it

[amber cliff]

Justified

[marsh condor]

In some sci-fi works, most aliens have a disdain for humanity, or sees them as very young.

[terse idol]

Yeah

[amber cliff]

Or are better than humanity in every way

[terse idol]

And tau are a very young civilization

[amber cliff]

Damn space elf’s

[marsh condor]

The Tau are basically if we swapped places.

[wanton dawn]

Muh original SF settings

[sudden dome]

humans are the ancients in starwars so

[sharp ember]

shoutout to the jedi-mandalorian war where ALL of the mandalorians switched to shotguns and flamethrowers so the jedi couldn't deflect them

[torn root]

yup!

[marsh condor]

Yep

[terse idol]

Uh deflect dis pew

[torn root]

the best part of starwars is all the non space magic hippies

[sudden dome]

just use slugs, it melts in their saber

[wanton dawn]

I love when the best counter to sf space magic laser weaponery is a regular gun

[sudden dome]

laser shotguns can still be absorbed

[terse idol]

The best part of the mandalorian was when it just focused on a slice of star wars, the worst part was when it decided to get bigger

[marsh condor]

Though best not to use it against a Force User who does not use a lightsaber...

[terse idol]

Also some crazy dumb choives

[wanton dawn]

That is like "back to monke" but we america instead

[marsh condor]

...because I think those guys put all their skill points in the Force.

[sharp ember]

yeah, i didn't continue after like season 2 and i heard it fell off

[shrewd acorn]

Which of these two shovels should I pick to upgrade? I'm not sure if first target or penetration is more important

[sharp ember]

80% first target for sure

[amber cliff]

The best part of mando was when he stayed unmasked so people would act like a Victorian women and swoon over a ankle

[bitter turtle]

First target

But both are impoetant

[sharp ember]

Penetration can be mitigated with Uncanny Strike

[bitter turtle]

Keep rolling g

[terse idol]

I watched like book of boba thought it was alright but wished it focused more on boba working with the Tuscan raiders

[marsh condor]

I feel like the only types of Force Users that slugs and flamers start to become useless against are the ones who are really good with the Force.

[sudden dome]

jedi cant use the force to hurt people its against their code so its fine, ignore when they hurl things with it they totally arent hypocrites

[torn root]

penetration vs first target is a bad choice to have to make

[marsh condor]

Good enough to basically go Matrix

[torn root]

lmao

[marsh condor]

No, no

[torn root]

penetration vs 1st target is a choice you shouldn't place yourself between

[marsh condor]

Not like that

[torn root]

roll a 3rd shovel

[terse idol]

Remeber any time when a jedi uses jedi mind trick to ignore the potential repercussions for that guy they let go

[marsh condor]

I mean like this.

[shrewd acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

[amber cliff]

She penetrate my first target till I shovel 🔥✍️🔥

[bitter turtle]

You have two dumps on shovel

So just take the L and keep rolling etc

[torn root]

roll the dice

[bitter turtle]

It shouldn't be that hard to get one with all 3 above 70

[marsh condor]

Don't some Jedi masters have complete telekinesis?

[sudden dome]

ah, well they can do that with laser weaponry too, they have an ennergy absorbsion technique, they use it in the kotor stuff where she uses it on a lightsaber too

[shrewd acorn]

You would think that...

[terse idol]

all force sensitive folks have limits and I'd imagine stopping hundreds of tiny pellet moving at the speed of sound is difficult

[amber cliff]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

I do think that

[wanton dawn]

Missed opportunity to use the stfu version

[amber cliff]

For you

[bitter turtle]

After rolling knife

[terse idol]

Unless you were like Darth Vader 🤓

[marsh condor]

I'm aware of that

[bitter turtle]

With 0 dump stats

Cause you still want mobility above 50 lul

[marsh condor]

There are those Force users who could manipulate planets- even if it strains them a lot.

[sudden dome]

youre basically talking about one of the greys that use projectile weaponry and abuse the force to control projectiles

[amber cliff]

She mobile on my stats till I dump 🔥✍️🔥

[torn root]

3 70s is easier than 4 and 5

you'll get it

[wanton dawn]

Then you have dc comics. With force planet. Alive

[sharp ember]

he dark on my tide til i warhammer 40,000

[marsh condor]

I just mean using them defensively

[sudden dome]

yea they do that part too

[marsh condor]

I know what you mean by that

[static timber]

Best perks for plasma guns?

[bitter turtle]

Star wars is dumb

That's my hot take for today

[marsh condor]

I better stop

Before I go insane

[wanton dawn]

So is w40k but hey, never stopped us

[torn root]

this is facts

[shrewd acorn]

Im sorry for doubting you

[terse idol]

Base line 70 mobility or rioooot

[torn root]

laser weapons are a bad concept imo

[terse idol]

I'm in the all 70 gang

[torn root]

but SW got some cool concepts

[sharp ember]

Maniac is my #1, but you can argue basically any damage perk except Infested for #2

[bitter turtle]

Did you get it

[marsh condor]

I'd rather keep lasers as tools

[shrewd acorn]

Good enough

[bitter turtle]

Like I said it's an easier weapon to roll

[sharp ember]

Unyielding, Carapace, Flak, maybe Elites +10%

[marsh condor]

Espresso for things like surgery.

[bitter turtle]

No need to settle

[static timber]

Interesting

[terse idol]

I wished so badly they would focus on like, rebel storm troopers

[static timber]

Ty

[terse idol]

Makes me seethe even the movies ALMOST

Got it

[tranquil bronze]

LOL. Torrent boss on Damnation... getting to him is an adventure... and then when we get to the boss, he just evaporates.

[bitter turtle]

Save your compromise for suffering weapons like Rashad or knife

[terse idol]

Holy fuck they killed Finn

[torn root]

i like storm trooper and clone stories

[terse idol]

Yeah!

[amber cliff]

She on my rashad untill I suffer

[torn root]

i wish we could have more

[wanton dawn]

Laser weapon do exist. They are just like... less "cool" ?

[marsh condor]

Inefficient for the time being.

[torn root]

thats' on all difficulties

boss is the easiest part of those missions

[terse idol]

And there was super cool concept art for stormtrooper rebels with light painted on rebel insignia on their gear

Such a massive missed opportunity

[shrewd acorn]

It's the best I've rolled after 300k

[bitter turtle]

That's pretty good

[terse idol]

That's the best imo

[torn root]

i mean i can get a high intensity laser sight to burn a whole in somones skull

that's pretty cool

[terse idol]

I never want to dump 60 even in mobi

Die on the 70 hill gang

[sharp ember]

even Unarmored secures dreg heavy gunner 1 headshot, granted that's a mono-enemy counterpick

[wanton dawn]

Seems pretty alright for their purpose. Not mass destruction but control is the name of the game these days

[torn root]

ROLL IT!

[marsh condor]

I was referring to the energy usage.

[wanton dawn]

Well we cant do much better than nuke so eh

[marsh condor]

From what I know, lasers take up too much power as weapons.

Compared to the surgical lasers

Or the ones used in machinery

[wanton dawn]

Ah, that. Well massless weapon be massless

[marsh condor]

Yeah. That's why they're inefficient, imo

For now.

[wanton dawn]

Cant E=mc2 that crap

[terse idol]

My days playing mech warrior hit me

You just need to have an engine big enough to support it

Brrt

[torn root]

OH?!

[terse idol]

But that used Sci fi magic in the form of like Light engines

[torn root]

i haven't played the new mechwarriors because of lack in madkats and vultures

even uziels

[terse idol]

Ooh

Oh no yeah

I started playing in MWO

[torn root]

but the fucking atlass is everywhere

[terse idol]

[marsh condor]

So, new topic I had in mind

[terse idol]

I wished they did clans

[marsh condor]

Brutal momentum blessing is basically Deathblow

[torn root]

ngl

in terms of blessings

i think brutal momentum is the most flavorful one

like no cap

play good, get rewarded for playing good

[marsh condor]

Deathblow is literally the same as Bromentum, so I feel like it should get a rework

[torn root]

beats building for crit to get benefit for crit

[marsh condor]

Or at least a name change

[torn root]

nah

brutal momentum actually gives damage

strictly better

[amber cliff]

She on my deathblow till I rework 🔥✍️🔥

[torn root]

its a clear choice which ppl would take between the 2

[marsh condor]

It's the weapons themselves

[amber cliff]

Ur mother

[torn root]

if that shit was on heavy sword i know ppl would call fatshark a bunch of trolls

[marsh condor]

Eg. Deathblow on Heavy Sword, Bromentum on Combat Axe

[torn root]

but yeah remove deathblow and replace it with brutal momentum

[marsh condor]

Deathblow should have a rework.

How about making it so that it deals extra weakspot damage against Staggered enemies?

[torn root]

I mean it Does work functionally different

It low key is fine as is I was just being a dick head

[marsh condor]

I know they don't share the same weapons, but they feel so redundant to me.

[torn root]

Nah they are pretty diff

[amber cliff]

She on my head till I dick 🔥✍️🔥

[torn root]

Weakspot kill into cleave anything for 4.5 seconds

It's pretty good

1 kill pretty much guarantee rampage for 4.5 in a horde

[marsh condor]

The descriptions are killing me.

[torn root]

The description is a problem yeah

[marsh condor]

I know that they work differently, if subtly, but I am still fixated on them of all things

[torn root]

No Fatshark employers might be bots

Lmao

Yeah that's a big problem

[tidal plank]

wait, those are different blessings?

[wanton dawn]

I mean... do you know the difference between "damage" and "base damage" ?

Me neither

[marsh condor]

Yes

[torn root]

Damage is how much you do. Base Damage is just the base number 😂

[wanton dawn]

It is the same

[torn root]

Pretty bad descriptions

[marsh condor]

Damage itself is how much you'd do on average. Base damage is how much you'd do against unarmored and infected "armour" types.

[wanton dawn]

Nah nah

Its the same

[torn root]

Well ignoring semantics they are literally the same

[marsh condor]

EXACTLY

[torn root]

Base damage changing is legit just changing the damage you do lmao

It's dumb

[marsh condor]

The above is just me trying to find a rationale

[wanton dawn]

Also no cuz even unarmored and infested have armor multiplier depending on weapon

[marsh condor]

WHICH IS EVEN WORSE, AAAAAAA-

[wanton dawn]

Lot of weapon have reverse falloff on unarmored

Help reaching sniper bp

[torn root]

I think they tried to work a sweetspot mechanic into a hoard shooter

For no reason

[bitter turtle]

Base damage and damage ate the dame

They literally just added base to confuse minmaxers

They said this lul

[serene sage]

Truly

Outrageous

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/checkmate-check-mate-got-em-gif-6408903245572515122

[serene sage]

Where's my pitchfork

[torn root]

Well yeah if you modify the total damage you do to something by a number at the end or the beginning of the equation that's the same

[bitter turtle]

No like

It's not even programmed in a different way

They just added base to the tooltip

And went

[torn root]

2+ (2×2) is the same as (2x2) + 2

[bitter turtle]

Tee hee

[torn root]

I think someone at FS thought they were being smart

[wanton dawn]

There are litteral exemple of that in game mattering though

[torn root]

Ooh?

[wanton dawn]

See TDR additive and multiplicative properties

[torn root]

So then actually wouldn't base damage and damage be different?

[bitter turtle]

In this case its more like one is 2+3 and the other is also 2+3 but one is called" plus 3 damage" and the other is called "the plusification of 3 damages"

[torn root]

Assuming damage means total damage

[bitter turtle]

No because it's not even different

Its literally the same thing

Like they literally just added the word base to the tooltips

That's the only difference

[torn root]

Lmao!

[bitter turtle]

To confuse 👻 minmaxers

[wanton dawn]

TDR is like (1-10%×2)×(1-11%×3)×(1-10%-5%)×(1-50%) on vet

[marsh condor]

...how did I not realize this sooner...

Fucking Administratum.

Fuck the Adeptus Administratum for influencing the Obese Megalodon company.

[wanton dawn]

Also the ppl that get it all get a pog

[torn root]

You can't do math like that!

[wanton dawn]

Am not sure about the 1st though, i never use the talent so it might be multiplicative

[torn root]

Where are my decimals?!

Is 1-10% the same as 1-1(.1)?!

[wanton dawn]

Is there even decimal shown in dt ?

[torn root]

Or just 1 - .1?

Technically 10% is .1 lmao

Aah

My brain just sizzles

[marsh condor]

Bloody wankers

[wanton dawn]

I just used the talent numbers. Which are shown as percent on tooltip

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

Dont like it ? Stop taking exhil takedown

[marsh condor]

So, this should be more of a Zealot's thing, but how viable is a quote-unquote "dedicated" sniper Zealot?

As in, if there are no Veteran snipers in the team.

[rain hatch]

Like agri?

[bitter turtle]

Why did you say quote unquote and then added more quotes

That's my question

[serene sage]

[wanton dawn]

That'd be underwhelming. Zealot highest ranged dmg increase is tied to closeness

[torn root]

wtf?!

[bitter turtle]

Also with a revolver everyone is a sniper

[serene sage]

Chat what flavor should I get for my wings?

[bitter turtle]

Cajun

[wraith locust]

from where?

[tranquil bronze]

Really hope we get tempestus scion armor (officially) soon.

[torn root]

quote unquote

[marsh condor]

I know, but what if there is no one to snipe?

[serene sage]

Idk who you are but stop looking at my monitor

[torn root]

same as ''

lmao

bruh

[rain hatch]

Agri shotty

[wanton dawn]

Bee wax. Dont get close to the sun

[marsh condor]

Emphasis

[serene sage]

Wingsover

[serene sage]

Quiet smartie pants

[torn root]

you mean DOUBLE EMPHASIS

lmao

[marsh condor]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

[wanton dawn]

Cant even make mythology joke i see

[bitter turtle]

That was the most lame and nerdy joke I've seen this week

[marsh condor]

I know that Zealots aren't meant for long-range combat

But just in case...

[torn root]

Icarus

[wanton dawn]

I still have 2 days to improve upon that

[bitter turtle]

Equip revolver

Become the snipper

[marsh condor]

I was about to list a few guns I could think of as options for this

[wanton dawn]

Revolver probably

[marsh condor]

Other than the Revolver (first choice), there's also the Agripinaa shotgun and the Vraks Headhunter.

[bitter turtle]

Don't think zealot has enough long range multipliers to make v7 worth it

[marsh condor]

Yeah, and the Headhunter Autoguns that do synergize with Zealots are more mid-range

[rain hatch]

Agri full bore tho

Funny one tap

[marsh condor]

So only Agripinaa Shotgun or Zarona Revolver

[rain hatch]

Volver is a basic pick

And will serve you well

[marsh condor]

Those are the two best guns for Sniper Zealot.

[bitter turtle]

Graia Iag will probably work

[rain hatch]

But boring compared to full bore agri

[bitter turtle]

Or agri iag

[torn root]

back to saltzspyre!

is not basic

[rain hatch]

It is

[torn root]

no

[rain hatch]

yes

[torn root]

knife revolver is basic

[rain hatch]

esp if you use it on other characters

[marsh condor]

I use Agri IAG for Raking Fire (planning to change it to Sustained Fire after I get a good Graia IAG)

[torn root]

revolver on its own nah

[bitter turtle]

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Handgun" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Revolvers deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Colt Python in America for 20,000 dollars (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my revolver.
American gunsmiths spend years working on a single revolver and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest barrels known to mankind.
Revolvers are thrice as sharp as European handguns and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything an ordinary handgun can shoot through, a revolver can shoot through better. I'm pretty sure a revolver could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering America? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Cowboys and their revolvers of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the revolvers first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Revolvers are simply the best gun that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Revolvers:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 3d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the shooting power of Revolver in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Revolver need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

[torn root]

is that a copy pasta?

[wanton dawn]

Surely a pasta

[torn root]

i couldn't imagine you wrote that XD

[bitter turtle]

The original was about katanas

I wrote the revolver things

It's my favorite copypasta

[torn root]

why we talking DnD all of a sudden?

[marsh condor]

For the Columnus IAG, I had Deathspitter instead.

[torn root]

one is bugged atm

in a good way

[bitter turtle]

Revolvers are simply the best gun just like katanas are the best swords

[torn root]

Fire Frenzy is the bugged one atm i think, instead of just close damage it gives just damage atm

wrong respond

[marsh condor]

Will swap once I get enuff materials

[torn root]

actually no right respond

but yea atm fire frenzy is working better than it should be

lmao

[marsh condor]

To me, katanas aren't the best, mostly for a few things.

[bitter turtle]

Uh excuse me

Did you not read

[torn root]

katana are far fromt he best sword

[bitter turtle]

Why else do you think Europe didn't conquer Japan

[torn root]

requires strict cutting patterns

[junior needle]

The joke

[bitter turtle]

Oh wait shit that's the original copy pasta

[marsh condor]

With old katanas specifically, they're fragile compared to the other sword they're often compared to.

[torn root]

nit-picking and old sword should be compared to other old swords

all old swords were ass

[bitter turtle]

Psh

[marsh condor]

For the more general reason, it's the way to use them.

[shrewd acorn]

Do I want thrust and carapace on this?

[wanton dawn]

Katana are shittier on average cuz steel quality was ass in japan

[bitter turtle]

You're all just scared of the disciplined samurai and their katanas of destruction

[marsh condor]

Katanas are very good at slashing, but are mediocre at stabbing

[bitter turtle]

Why do you think they targeted the men with katanas first in wwII

Thats right

[torn root]

they are built specifically for slashing

[bitter turtle]

It's because their power was feared and respected

Add katanas to dt cowards

[torn root]

basically a sword that wanted to be an axe

[marsh condor]

No

[torn root]

put enough leverage into splitting helmets

[marsh condor]

That'll be the falchion and cutlass.

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure katana in ww2 have seen more japanese belly than murican head but hey

To each its tradition

[bitter turtle]

I'll bet none of you even have a katana that costed 2,400,000 yen (that's about $20,000)

[marsh condor]

The "katanas" of WW2 are actually guntos, if they're used by infantry and NCOs.

[torn root]

katana is katana

[marsh condor]

The ones used by officers with samurai ancestry do have them, though.

[serene sage]

Please don't tell me you have a $20000 katana

[bitter turtle]

You can even cut slabs of solid steel

[wanton dawn]

No, i only have an appartment

[bitter turtle]

And bisect medieval knights in full plate

[marsh condor]

At a higher risk of breaking it.

[bitter turtle]

With a simple vertical slash

[torn root]

just gunna put this out there, this is also a katana

🙂

[marsh condor]

Naginata- no, wait.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[bitter turtle]

It's part of the the meme 😔

[marsh condor]

There's another polearm like that.

[torn root]

it is a naginata

[serene sage]

I am not known for my intelligence

I'm a fucking fish

[torn root]

but im being again an ass

[marsh condor]

I can't remember the name, but I know there is a weapon that has a longer blade than the actual naginata.

[wanton dawn]

[torn root]

katana refers to a bunch a weapons

[bitter turtle]

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

[jolly hemlock]

odachi = more katana = more kill

[marsh condor]

There's tachi, too.

[torn root]

tachi is also katana

odachi as well

[marsh condor]

The tachi is to the katana what a longsword is to the arming sword

[wanton dawn]

And i though i was the mythology nerd

[torn root]

man is claiming katana is a myth

find him

[marsh condor]

But really.

[wanton dawn]

Man is claiming bee wax wings arent a thing

[torn root]

icarus never existed 🙂

[marsh condor]

If I were to pick a weapon for a duel against unarmored opponents, I'd use the katana.

BUT.

[wanton dawn]

good katana neither

[bitter turtle]

The tachi is to the katana like a dick is to a slightly smaller dick

[torn root]

this is accurate

like actually

[marsh condor]

If I were to fight even a mildly armoured opponent, give me a sidesword.

[torn root]

lmao

[near holly]

peeks into veteran chat

Oh.

[serene sage]

excuse me but if I get to choose a weapon against unarmored or armored opponents I would choose a fucking revolver

don't bring a knife to a gun fight

[marsh condor]

If I were to fight an actual armoured opponent (like the Mauler).

[pearl granite]

is this good? 🤔

[simple jetty]

Yeah, I'm confused, too.

[wanton dawn]

Want bee wax wings ?

[marsh condor]

Medieval age.

[marsh condor]

Estoc.

[serene sage]

the motherfucking boomstick then

[bitter turtle]

I'd pick a medieval revolver

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-stick-army-of-darkness-bruce-campbell-gun-this-gif-17346017

[near holly]

Like the winged hussars or icarus?

[bitter turtle]

Maybe a medieval assault rifle

[torn root]

i raise your estoc with an epee

[serene sage]

parry this you filthy casual

[marsh condor]

Which is a bow.

[wanton dawn]

The close to the sun one

[marsh condor]

A short bow, used by horse archers.

[marsh condor]

Can you use your sword as a hammer?

[bitter turtle]

Bows aren't real

[near holly]

Knowing my luck I'd definitely die

[bitter turtle]

They're just propaganda

Everyone fought in 1v1 honorable duels

[marsh condor]

Then samurais aren't real either

[torn root]

does the butt count?

[wanton dawn]

Most reasonable take in vet chat

[marsh condor]

Marginally, but that'll be a club.

[near holly]

Samurai? More like Sham-urai am I right?

[torn root]

club,hammer -- is same, yes?

[serene sage]

gottem

[torn root]

the shield is speaking?

imagine using a shield

pussy

jkjk

[wanton dawn]

My face is my shield

[near holly]

My face protects me

[marsh condor]

Same family, different properties.

[bitter turtle]

Hammers start with the letter h

Club starts with the letter b

Properties like that

[wanton dawn]

Club start with the letter p. For pain

Pnlc

[tranquil bronze]

OG scion look

[torn root]

this is both club and hammer no?

[marsh condor]

But in any case, the pommel is very small for a club-

And yes.

That is basically a club hammer

[wanton dawn]

Sir thats a fancy peg horse leg

[torn root]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Nobody realized club doesn't start with a b

[marsh condor]

Stolen

[simple jetty]

It looks like it started out as a machete at the bottom then slowly decided it was going to be a staff when it grows up as it went along.

[bitter turtle]

None of you know english

[torn root]

iight who the fuck would use this?

shit ugly

[marsh condor]

Someone without money

[near holly]

Ugly but effective

[torn root]

its engraved

[near holly]

Slapping that ball on someone would hurt

[wanton dawn]

And thats belong in the kitchen. A laddle

[marsh condor]

O R . . . .

[wanton dawn]

A big laddle

[marsh condor]

SOMEONE WHO'S BALLING

[torn root]

its a ball on a fucking stick

ladel where?!

[simple jetty]

That looks like a perfectly fine beating stick.

[bitter turtle]

If you think about it

[torn root]

this is a barbarian speaking

lmao

[bitter turtle]

All weapons are just something on a stick

[torn root]

'beating stick'

[marsh condor]

Even the guns

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-ball-float-metal-ladle-tricked-gif-3585719

[simple jetty]

Ogryn main, so close enough, haha

[marsh condor]

They're just boomsticks on actual sticks.

[torn root]

hammer

[marsh condor]

Lemme find something more fitting for the name

[bitter turtle]

You know what's a better weapon than the katana

The only one

Farming scythes

[torn root]

spear

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet

[torn root]

ever fight those 9 heavens dudes in sekiro

makes you question picking up a sword

[teal abyss]

Nuh uh

[near holly]

Is there a difference between a club and a cudgel?

[marsh condor]

Hammer

[torn root]

chakram?

boomerang

[wanton dawn]

One sounds cuter

[bitter turtle]

The number of letters in each word for one

[serene sage]

Chat, please behave while I pick up my wings order

Thanks

[near holly]

Ah I see I see

[torn root]

actually do shields count as weapons

[marsh condor]

Technically yes

[torn root]

because i feel like a guy with two shield would fuck up a dude with 2 swords

[marsh condor]

You can bash them.

[bitter turtle]

No because they're for cowards in dank souls

[marsh condor]

With the rim, specifically.

[torn root]

idk capt america be hittin

[teal abyss]

Depends on type of sword honestly, slashing sword probably but you could probably easily find a gap while he swings two shields around like a dipshit with a rapier or something

[marsh condor]

I think I remembered Capt America using a machine gun at some point.

[torn root]

nah but like shields still are effective on rapiers and spears, so i just bum rush you

[marsh condor]

Speaking of shields, Zealot should actually get a sword and shield combo.

[torn root]

thats the least zealot thing ive read

[marsh condor]

Like Valiant Kruber.

[teal abyss]

To do any real damage at all you have to strike with the edge of a shield which means you’re not using it for protection

You’d also be slow as fuck with two shields lol

[torn root]

bash away proceed to disking someone

[wanton dawn]

https://youtu.be/oXp8Th41rBs?si=R_zCgNjeVPj2qvO7

[bitter turtle]

Wear the shield as a hat

[torn root]

he got 1 shot?!

[teal abyss]

I can’t help but feel like the fact we’ve never really seen anyone at any point throughout history go into battle armed with two shields tells us something

[marsh condor]

Sword n Shield

[torn root]

at one point shield were broken in elden ring

[torn root]

they dont know how to brutalize

[wanton dawn]

In ds thats called being hp checked

[torn root]

🙂

[bitter turtle]

Did you use a repair powder

[marsh condor]

Zealots would try to imitate Crusaders

[bitter turtle]

To fix them

[torn root]

idk man i found that shit funny

[marsh condor]

Even with a plain old sword and shield, the Zealot would at least have a defensive option...to approach the heretics for a bashing'

[wanton dawn]

Did you just call my joke lame then go on with your life then say that ?!

[bitter turtle]

Yes

I did

I'd say that's less nerdy and more a dad joke

[marsh condor]

Veterans, though, should have sword and pistol.

[torn root]

the strongest weapon in all souls games

XD

[wanton dawn]

Ah yes, laser shield

[torn root]

yessir!

[wanton dawn]

One of the least obnoxious broken stuff

[torn root]

more refreshing the RoB

[near holly]

The cursed one

[wanton dawn]

The deathfog fire aura was the worst

[torn root]

the run at you and watch you die BS?

[bitter turtle]

I didn't know japanese people played warhammer

[near holly]

I misread that as deathfrog, and now I wonder what that would be like

[torn root]

everyone does 🙂

[bitter turtle]

Lies

What about hitler

He doesn't play it

[wanton dawn]

I mean...

[torn root]

oy

[wanton dawn]

Litteral death frog

[near holly]

Ah yes the gas lizards

[torn root]

sewer dewlling shits

[near holly]

I like their little wee eyes

[torn root]

did you know

those big things arent their eyes

[bitter turtle]

It's their testicles

[wanton dawn]

Its death covenant trinket

Also balls

[serene sage]

mrcraime

how much money can i give you to play on NA

[torn root]

League?

[wanton dawn]

At least 12

[marsh condor]

Veterans: Pistol and Sword (Ranged)
Zealots: Sword and Shield (Melee)
Psyker: Force Mace (Melee)
Ogryn: Great Maul (Melee)

[serene sage]

darktide but i like the way you think

[torn root]

nah paying someone to play league is like daring them to develop a brain tumor

[serene sage]

baguettes? was that racist idk

[marsh condor]

Imagine, tho...if you block while aiming the pistol

[serene sage]

im 10 years in brother

[wanton dawn]

Right now though i would need a VERY compelling reason to get out of bed

[serene sage]

maybe 11 now?

dear god

[torn root]

been playing since closed beta...

[serene sage]

you're more fucked than I am

what role

[torn root]

mid jung/supp

[serene sage]

multi role eh?

i only play jungle

only

for a decade

[torn root]

i used to play jung more

then riot kept fucking with it

and you always get blamed

[serene sage]

I spent almost half my life playing League

kinda funny thinking of it that way

[wanton dawn]

Honestly though, it is mostly pinging me when i dont have a reason to say no

[torn root]

even if two-toe- timmy and his one chromosome is the one running it down its jung diff

[serene sage]

well im eating chickin rn

but ill ping ya

one of those days

[wanton dawn]

Well i am in bed and i like having hot feet

Comfy

[serene sage]

does anyone know if Darktide can run on Steam Deck?

it's probably shit tbh

[spice gate]

I’ve heard it can run though. But not well

[serene sage]

thanks! i just youtubed it

it's shit

[torn root]

itll run like the MK on switch

[spice gate]

No problem! Anything for a friend

[spice gate]

I remember playing mk11 on my switch. Wasn’t too bad, but it sure as hell wasn’t good.

Wish I had more than a switch a lot of the time. Haha!

[torn root]

not like the pc versrion is running well yet tbh, wouldnt think it worked better on anything else

[pearl granite]

is this look good?

[torn root]

thrust good

the 2 perks could be better

[pearl granite]

should I replace decimator?

[torn root]

i would just change the perks

deci isnt horrible

but the perks are gunna stop you from killing things like ragers etc

and if you move decimator you need a nother weapon to rip it off of

just hold it and roll another one later, then rip thrust off of it

[pearl granite]

what should be a better blessing than decimator?

[marsh condor]

I believe any blessings that empower Stagger

[torn root]

its preference tbh

[pearl granite]

okay, i'll keep an eye out for them...

[torn root]

there is uncanny strike, Skullcrusher, Limbsplitter, All or nothing

uncanny technically increases stagger

because of rending

[marsh condor]

It also increases your ability to pierce through armour like Carapace.

[stable socket]

What should I do with this plasma gun? Elite -> Maniac and Shattering Impact to Blaze Away? I'm not sure if 20% flak contributes to any breakpoints and am too scared to mess it up

[marsh condor]

I feel like Blaze Away works best on a Plasma Gun with poor Charge Rates but high Ammo

[midnight totem]

found a decent knife

tried knife vet for the first time

actually very strong

[marsh condor]

Best paired with the rightmost path of the talent tree, along with a little help on the lower left path (with increased weakspot damage)

[jolly hemlock]

Started playing knife vet never stopped

[midnight totem]

Lacerate is an absolute must

saves a blessing

[marsh condor]

You already have access to bleed without it.

Or unless you mean the Talent

[midnight totem]

I mean the talent

[marsh condor]

Serrated Blades

Then yeah

[midnight totem]

yes

means I don't need lacerate as a blessing

[marsh condor]

I'm trying the knife with Mercy Killer and Uncanny Strike

[midnight totem]

means I can use it for that uncanny strike, yeah

I have a level 3 mercy killer

no uncanny though, but Haymaker

which is kinda funny, not reliable but funny

[marsh condor]

Combine it with Precision Strikes, and the knife becomes quite good at slitting through throats.

[midnight totem]

lost the game I was just in testing it out

[marsh condor]

Oof

[midnight totem]

but if I can find an even better knife, I might be sold on it as my new melee

just need to get into a groove of using the special attack

whats the strategy versus ragers with it?

[median merlin]

already upgraded, but i found that blue in the armory. 🙂

a nice find

since i run shocktrooper and never run out of ammo i am considering ammo to be a dump stat lol

[celest egret]

Hey for the Mk III power sword is it worth to take Rampage (+36%dmg) over Slaughterer (40% power max stacks)?

[torn root]

rampage is easier to get and just use

but i dont see slaughterer being harder not on that weapon

just try slaughter and if you don't like it then get rampage, i think it might be better on PSword

[median merlin]

if you use the power a lot against hordes slaughterer is just as easy as rampage

[naive aurora]

Ey buds, so curious what kinda revolver blessings people like to use? Figure I'm gunna give it a try\

also curious to which variant peeps like more

[torn root]

the cleaving one

[naive aurora]

its a gun sir it doesn't cleave

[vivid bolt]

Zarona has cleave for its bullets

[torn root]

lmao

[vivid bolt]

call it penetration or whatever you like but it does the same stuff

[torn root]

its not penetration nope

[vivid bolt]

Typical zarona blessings are Surgical/Hand Cannon

[torn root]

said cleave for a reason

[vivid bolt]

Agri is uhhh

Crucian/Hand Cannon

[celest egret]

activating it isnt the issue, just wondering if dmg has more value than power tbh

[naive aurora]

hand cannons the one that does rending on crit right?

and im glad to hear I picked the right variant lmfao

[torn root]

well power increases impact and cleave on top of damage so go for that, either way its what i said you should try 1st

[naive aurora]

So peeps not a fan of Surgical on the revolver then?

or is it kinda either or

[torn root]

it's split i think

personally i don't like the idea of using ammo before rolling for crit chance

[flint garden]

surgical for zarona

[torn root]

when i can just ads and get some bumps in crit chance that way

[celest egret]

I just finished trying it out in the meat grinder, I think that the only thing that might make the dmg perk more valuable over the power perk would be the possibility of 2 shotting crushers, but I would have to test that

[torn root]

power gives damage i think its a 1 to 1 ratio

[junior needle]

It depends on the variant. Old revolver wants surgical/handcannon (still the most powerful), people seem to have settled on crucian/handcannon for the new one.

[torn root]

if you want to 2 shot crushers get Brutal Momentum or Super Charger

[junior needle]

If you're using weapon spec, you don't need surgical on old revolver

Supercharge is a waste of a blessing slot

Don't recommend that to him

[torn root]

I put it there for ppl who are willing to settle

lmao

at the end of the day my comment still stands

Super Charger or Brutal Momentum will 2 shot Crushers

[flint garden]

if you want to do follow up shots to kill maulers or crushers or multiple anything you still want surgical

[celest egret]

dont want supercharger lol I am fine with just doing 2 charged heavys and a light to finish them

[junior needle]

You want cycler 4 and either sunder or brutal, both are great but for different reasons

[celest egret]

powercycler+slaughterer will do just fine for me if theres no huge difference

unfortunately only rolled 3 for cycler so I have to go farm for it

[junior needle]

There's a very big difference between rampage/slaught and brutal

[torn root]

Power Cycle 3/4 + Brutal Moment 3 or 4 / SuperCharger [thoroughly tested]

[junior needle]

Brutal lets you get first target damage on multiple targets if you keep killing. In practice that means at least double the amount of dead bruisers per swing.

[torn root]

just have to aim with brutal

but it changes each swing from 4 kills to like 10ish

depending on your roll

[celest egret]

damnation crusher?

[torn root]

yes

all the clips ppl post here will be in damnation

i dont think ppl care about damage in lower difficulties

[celest egret]

thank god

[torn root]

the 2 shot is with just precision strikes

[celest egret]

I noticed

[torn root]

so either precision strikes or desperado should reach that 2 shot

[spark sandal]

Worth melkaroons?

[torn root]

t4 worth imo

to strip

[spark sandal]

Oh, and how is the Uncanny strike for the shovel?

[torn root]

Melk does his job for everyone but me

if its uncanny 4 take it

unless you dont need the blessing

[tranquil bronze]

What does stopping power do again?

[torn root]

effectiveness at different ranges

far damage% vs close damage %

[vast kite]

Which Lasgun is considered the best one?

[tranquil bronze]

MG XII is up there on the list

[vast kite]

Gotcha, thanks

[tranquil bronze]

So for Infantry Las, need minimum of 70% for endgame right?

[spring rose]

MG la is also good

[torn root]

for every weapon anything that affects damage should be 70%-80%

[tranquil bronze]

Gotcha

[torn root]

you'll never need to ask that question again

always want the closest to max you can

[tranquil bronze]

So I won't be getting anything better than this for a while

It slaps in Damnation

[torn root]

makes you have to worry about less variables for killing

[vast kite]

Gotcha, thanks too

[spring rose]

One more thing, La is more fast firing but less damage then mgxii

[torn root]

unless its 80 damage and stopping power, probably not

oh maybe t3 blessings tho

and i think ppl used different perks idk about that one

[tranquil bronze]

I had to swap that perk because its initial one was stamina

[spark sandal]

Kant 12 usually aims for flak and maniac, just easing ragers/gunners kill counts

[tranquil bronze]

I definitely had to choose flak

[spark sandal]

Mhm, Flak is certainly the way to go, just so many things wear it.

[torn root]

yeah but do ppl generally go carapace 2nd?

[terse idol]

The mxii is struggling

Its only doing like 40 damage more

In all intents and purposes the Ia is just better

[torn root]

40 isn't worth?

im probably never gunna use it but i am curious

just holding on to this for testing

[terse idol]

I haven't seen a break point for the mxii or Ia that's 40 damage off yet (haven't tested it but that's so small)

Also yeah definetly wouldn't go carapace

Probably flak maniac

Also because the damage difference is so small Ia wins because it just has the higher fire rate

[torn root]

iight imma be the guy that has to ask

when ppl talk about BPs

why is there never any math slung around?

[tranquil bronze]

Good stat spread. Beauty about the Kant XII is that you don't need to worry about ammo stat.

[torn root]

like we know it does 289 at max right

[tranquil bronze]

Yep

[torn root]

so why don't we used applied math and the skill tree to talk about BP

ppl just throw the term around with no math

[ivory rock]

Aint the best cause of the crit perk but im happy w it for now

[torn root]

irks me just slightly

[spark sandal]

There is a spreddsheet, or there was one for it.

The math for it is a fucking mess though.

[torn root]

I mean the math all adds up

[spring rose]

Yeah that's what I think too, but didn't wanted to be "that guy"

[torn root]

we should literally know the total amount of more damage we need to hit 1 shots etc

[terse idol]

Its certainly not being that guy, it's good to inform

[spark sandal]

Stopping power changes your BPs math, and builds can be wildly different and then peoples weapons can have different damage based on two stats that range from 70 to 80

[terse idol]

Like, I personally use the mxii, because I like the slow fire rate