veteran-class

[crude fiber]

COD mobile was fun till I started getting matches with real people that were jump and slide shooting on MOBILE

[neat stratus]

the Apple Watch is actually the ONLY thing I would say Apple is a competitor in

[slow garden]

They actually do their cooling systems justice

So your laptop wont fucking melt

[tiny summit]

You could play COD Mobile on PC with mouse and keyboard

[crude fiber]

Ugh

[strange sparrow]

I mean it's a double edge thing

[serene sage]

I honestly think thermal is an overblown issue because laptops aren't run at full tilt all the times

[slow garden]

yep

Woaaah

[strange sparrow]

I generally like how Iphone <-> Airpod <-> Watch

[slow garden]

Okay no, thermal is not an overblown issue

[neat stratus]

Apple users love to brag about this too, they act like other devices are still made like they were at 1990

[strange sparrow]

But still hate how MacBook work

[slow garden]

Thermal is incredibly important especially on laptops

[strange sparrow]

Because you need to learn MacOS

which is why(?)

[slow garden]

So many laptop designs even in the modern day cheap out on their fans, vents, and cooling systems, and end up cooking the hardware inside so it fails early and you replace the computer

Because you dont know any better

[neat stratus]

Thermal is incredibly important, but a lot of Apple users pretend that other big tech companies struggle with it like it's a black plague

[slow garden]

(Not you specifically)

Apple users pretend a lot of shit <,<

[serene sage]

Point is, most chips will throttle well before this

What you lose is performance

[slow garden]

It still degrades the hardware

[strange sparrow]

It degrade the hardware

[slow garden]

You lose performance -and- longevity

[strange sparrow]

generally not great

[neat stratus]

Apple users pretend they have good technology

[serene sage]

But my point is most people don't actually use full performance all the time

[slow garden]

Apple's tech is okay under the hood, its roughly equivellant

But most of their brand is built on marketing imho

[rain badger]

Legion 7i gen 6 with a 3080 and i9 is pretty good in that regard. I stay mid 70’s in temps in all games

[slow garden]

Not on quality

[neat stratus]

But yeah anyways, point is popular =/= good

[slow garden]

Also thats good, mid 70's is basically ideal

[strange sparrow]

Still, I really like their Mobile devices in general, simply because im not a programmer that could do cool shit to my samsung

Despite Samsung have better Earpods

[slow garden]

I tend to prefer android since it talks to everything

[strange sparrow]

and generally more powerful phone

[serene sage]

that's exactly how my desktop gigs run, well ig except my GPU at 60 ish

[slow garden]

I get my earbuds as off brand

[serene sage]

and CPU at like 75, 90 sometimes

[neat stratus]

Like iPhone users love to compare the 15 Pro Max with the Galaxy Note 7 and older devices for whatever reason

[tiny summit]

Bone conduction headphone supremacy

[ocean viper]

are the recon lasguns still good?

[slow garden]

90 is a bit high but as long as it doesnt break 100 your probably fine

[serene sage]

who wants to tell them

[tiny summit]

Died a while ago

[slow garden]

90 is on the edge a bit though

[neat stratus]

I don't get why comparing a $1000 phone to a budget makes sense

[serene sage]

90 is throttle level on many AMD chips nowadays

[slow garden]

True

AMD chips run hot though

Intel tends to run cooler

Its why I don't use AMD chips in my builds anymore though

My last AMD build thermal throttled all the fuckin time

Could cook bacon on that thing

[rain badger]

Just looking through my storage and I have this, is decapitator even good? The blessing was changed yeah?

[serene sage]

mine runs okay, 5800X

[strange sparrow]

I just buy a better fan for my AMD that is big af

[neat stratus]

Now the only thing I do think Apple is (rather was) good at was miniature phones, I loved the one handability but they cancelled them with the iPhone 13 Mini

[ocean viper]

which variation of the headhunter autogun is the best at sniping specials

[serene sage]

V7

hands down imo

[rain badger]

VII

[dusky elm]

What are the best perks for braced guns?

[ocean viper]

what should i try to roll on it

[slow garden]

Maniacs is good

Replace between the eyes and sprint efficeicny

[neat stratus]

Hands

[ocean viper]

with?

[serene sage]

semi bricked but I would say both blessings to Surgical Deadly Accurate

[slow garden]

Sprint efficiency to flak or unarmoured depending on what you want to kill with it

[serene sage]

just accept sprint eff will be something you have to live with

[slow garden]

Uhh

Not sure abt blessing

[tiny summit]

I like my AMD laptop. Have my 3080/5950x for home. Have a 6800m/5980hx laptop when I go on work trips

[slow garden]

Check meta for that

[rain badger]

Ignore crit chance, lmao

[slow garden]

My vraks is outdated

[serene sage]

you kinda need both Surg and Deadly

[strange sparrow]

AMD Laptop are a disaster for me meanwhile

It's a heater

[neat stratus]

Apple users when their "super well protected against malware" phones still get infected by malicious gifs (blue bubbles don't save them)

[rain badger]

I'm a laptop guy, waiting for 5 series RTX cards for my next laptop

[serene sage]

my bbgrill

[ocean viper]

an interesting roll

[slow garden]

Yeah I dont recommend amd laptop

[rain badger]

boomer moment

[untold mulch]

Vet forgot to pack the mags

[tiny summit]

I'll get a new laptop when this current one starts hitting issues like my previous 970m laptop trying to run Elden Ring

[strange sparrow]

It's still quite rare still for Apple (Mobile) to get Virus isn't it

[neat stratus]

Honestly though they're designed for people who don't know how to avoid malware

[serene sage]

still much better than windows, let's be fair

[rain badger]

[serene sage]

not foolproof

[neat stratus]

Id imagine, but thats always the case as long as you aren't basically looking for malware

[serene sage]

but, like, a lot better

[tiny summit]

Mine does well for the price I paid for.

[serene sage]

I can endorse their GPU line up though

[neat stratus]

Its much safer when you get to install like 5 things Apple curated

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah that's kinda the general rule of thumb online

[tiny summit]

Hadron salivating on how to brick it

[ocean viper]

is it even worth comparing the vraks headhunter to the revolver

[serene sage]

well, also not wrong

[rain badger]

spoken like a true Android user 😜

[strange sparrow]

tbh there's people that doesn't know how to avoid malware

[serene sage]

haha no, go with the revolver if you want an easier time

[strange sparrow]

just click on everything they could and have their bank creditial stolen

[neat stratus]

And what about Apple technology is better, other than basically being a tag that says you don't pay attention to what you download

[ocean viper]

i keep running out of mag size, too much shit to shoot on auric

shoot 2 bombers

oh look at that

10 dreg shotgunners infront of me

[serene sage]

just reload idk

[rain badger]

but for real though, I dont run anything on my laptop and have windows defender at the lowest setting, no issues, meanwhile my mom freaks out because I don't have norton on my computer

[serene orbit]

Well, when one bullet can kill 3 shotgunners..

[serene sage]

I run Bolter on Auric so I understand

[strange sparrow]

Try HellBore Lasgun

[serene sage]

Just reload, what else can you do

[ocean viper]

on my dead body.

[tiny summit]

I love seeing 4 bombers at once. It's like the director is being honest "yea...I'm a dick"

[serene sage]

or play Plasma

if you are into that

[neat stratus]

The singular thing iPhone can do better is limit you from being a victim of your own stupidity lol

[tiny summit]

Join helbore supremacy

[rain badger]

I like the ease of use of my Iphone, don't care about anything else apple related. Don't be smug

[serene sage]

I don't look down at that sentiment tbh, like, at all

[strange sparrow]

which is alright

[serene sage]

I can't fix my own car

[strange sparrow]

Boomer need them

[serene sage]

I bring it to the shop for a simple oil change

[neat stratus]

Ill be fair though, some do want that

[serene sage]

I can't be arsed

[strange sparrow]

and I would pass them Apple Product

SImply I can't be assed to fix their computer/Mobile Phone

[serene sage]

I can see why people don't want to fiddle with their phones

[tiny summit]

I like procreate on apple

[serene sage]

or computer

[rain badger]

paid subscription for heated seats in your car

[strange sparrow]

Let me show you this brand

[neat stratus]

Personally I kind of struggle to find a reason to use Apple, having at least 90 iq when it comes to the web

[rain badger]

I have a 2008 car, I can work on everything on it if I wanted to. New '22 RDX has electric rear parking brakes that you can't replace yourself.

[neat stratus]

Apple's making a new car aren't they?

[strange sparrow]

I mean we get it, people that are programmer background have a lot of way to fiddle with their samsung/android because open-sources development

[serene sage]

I do. Macbook has better screen trackpads battery life build quality than a lot of laptops, they are just overpriced

[rain badger]

and Ill show you how to hack it lmao

[serene sage]

if they are say $200-300 cheaper new

[rain badger]

fuck JD for doing that

[serene sage]

I would seriously consider them

[neat stratus]

Id imagine $100,000 for the car, then subscriptions to use heating and air

[umbral scaffold]

for knifes you want unyielding + flak as perks or maniac

[neat stratus]

It depends on the laptop I'd say, I find Macbook is the antithesis of itself, being a design for efficiency

[tiny summit]

You pay tesla extra money to unlock the potential of your car. They sell you the same car but you pay more for its capabilities

[strange sparrow]

Doesn't change that there's bigger fucked up brand in the world that we generally doesn't know

[neat stratus]

The top row of keys have been turned digital, meaning you're forced to look away from your screen to interact with it

[serene sage]

I know it's controversial but I think subscription based services help the environment

more than what we have now

[teal abyss]

Same with BMW

[rain badger]

The wildlest thing ever reading is how farmers are hacking their tractors, like what?

[serene sage]

of just buying new and discard when oscelete

[rain badger]

"Bring my wallet"

[serene sage]

it's true. i have a friend whose family owns a large farm

they have 2 hacked harvesters

it's hilarious

[neat stratus]

I really don't like supporting companies that try to monopolize themselves, Apple being the biggest offender since even their chargers have been designed around making sure you can't get them as good from anywhere else

Call me crazy but I believe I've heard they also serialized their fragile back glass so that they'll know if it's aftermarket, even if it's the same glass

[serene sage]

well guess fucking what, now if you want an ultrabook/macbook type deal with physical F row, you have to go with... Apple because Dell new line up (which is the closest Macbook competitor PC has) uses digital/haptick F keys

the irony

[tiny summit]

Apple upsetty spaghetti over the EU

[serene sage]

isn't it

[neat stratus]

Oh no trust me, Im not only upset with apple about this

[serene sage]

fair

it's dumb as hell

[neat stratus]

I think it's just dumber with apple because they market themselves for being perfect for efficiency

They're fighting their own uptalk

[strange sparrow]

Workbook has been sadge

Can't buy any Workbook that is decently priced these days

Why is it more expensive for me to buy a fuckin processor computer that is just lightweight

[serene sage]

I would settle with a Mac, if my company lets me 😔

[neat stratus]

At least with Dell you rarely ever see marketing

[strange sparrow]

Fuck no

[neat stratus]

I don't, could be regional

[serene sage]

look, if im not paying for it, I would pick macbooks for work ;kek

[strange sparrow]

They bombard the entirety of APAC's university on daily basis

[serene sage]

i already have a nice PC at home

[neat stratus]

Apple products are the best technology for half their price (or less, that damn stand should've been 20 bucks)

[strange sparrow]

I would be kick in the balls for using Macbook in my work

it make no fuckin sense when everything isn't compatible

Im sorry you can't run this because your excel doesn't work

[serene sage]

What software do you use

[obtuse raft]

Our 8gb is really the same as everyone else's 16gb.
Trust

[serene sage]

Cause my field runs R, Python, SAS type stuff which don't care about platform

[neat stratus]

rightfully so
But like real talk though, Apple would be good, if only in a work environment since the ecosystem

[neat stratus]

"And we also have digital RAM that isn't good at all"

[strange sparrow]

Basically a government product that you need to submit accordingly on Excel

[neat stratus]

"Did I mention we can't even run the game that we advertised as running on this device?"

[neat stratus]

Thats probably why, anything government issue is kind of garbage

[strange sparrow]

And the program does not run on MacBook

[strange sparrow]

Tbh that's true, I have better time doing Json API integration with my google sheet than having a program that build onto my excel to generate a report to be submit onto website

[neat stratus]

Government likes to get the best they can (usually not the best either) for a low price, which is why they probably wouldn't use Apple unless they got a huge deal with them like Glock has with police

[strange sparrow]

Government's only way to measure how good is work, an open quotation system that the lowest price with the broadest job scope get the deal

[neat stratus]

[pseudo horizon]

Why didn't anybody tell me that full support with power sword and Agripinaa shotgun was so fun

[neat stratus]

Because Veterans hate being capable of support

[serene sage]

Define full support

[twilit glacier]

Really wish I actually liked this bloody thing...

[neat stratus]

Avoiding anything that helps you only like the plague

[neat stratus]

Give it to me, Ill use it

[serene sage]

Sounds horrible

[neat stratus]

probably is

Anyways, I have a preference for Androids since its actually a lot easier to customize than people think

If it works on one, it'll work with another of the same version

For instance, I've turned my phone's homepage into a mini desktop

Fully compatible with Microsoft devices too

[white minnow]

i like my android stuff cuz it's cheaper and because i got into that ecosystem early

the rest of my family uses iphones, but i first used my parent's samsung phones and just stuck with that route since

[neat stratus]

Thats kind of the thing with android, cheaper but often equivalent or better

[old quail]

yeah i use my phone to play darktide 🙂

[white minnow]

i will use an android phone as a second display just to spite you

[old quail]

better than The Fan

[dusky elm]

I like you can adjust things to your liking with Android, but I give the Iphones credit for photo quality.

[old quail]

i approve

[neat stratus]

You know with the Galaxy S23 Ultra you actually probably could be capable of that lmao

[terse idol]

I'm gonna play doom in darktide

[rain badger]

Me

[neat stratus]

Androids are quite a bit better than they look on most media, they get compressed more than Apple

[terse idol]

[neat stratus]

My only gripe with Samsung that I have with the cameras is that by default, they auto-edit the photo's color

[cunning holly]

Not Androids. Specific manufacturers that care about not only stats.

[neat stratus]

You can turn it off though

[dusky elm]

Iphones are just stylish and users friendly + great marketing. That is all. Good phones, but expensive.

[white minnow]

i like using scrcpy as a simple solution to send audio from an android device to my computer so that I can listen to audio from my tablet and phone on a headphone without an audio mixer, though it only works with devices on android 11 or higher

[neat stratus]

Androids refer to a majority of the big ones in this case tbf

Like Samsung, being the biggest, kind of loves photo compression

[tranquil bronze]

Oh... oh my

[neat stratus]

Supposedly that's getting a fix next year

[neat stratus]

My gawd

[tranquil bronze]

Bought

[neat stratus]

Its even got the funny rating

[tranquil bronze]

Also bought this pretty nice stat spread

[neat stratus]

Stats are nice, don't love the other things

Upgrade it and see if the others look good

Microsoft has a really good keyboard app, could be worth checking out if you want some nice gesture controls and chat predictions

[slate sleet]

is there a buff cap?

[cunning holly]

They bought out the original program that developed gesture keyboard, if I am correct. Was it called swipe or something back in the days?

[neat stratus]

Swype, and yeah Im kind of upset

Pretty damn nice though

The prediction is the best I've seen

[ocean viper]

i keep thinking whether i should actually use this

if u get hit during a horde by trash mobs its kind of your fault

[odd sparrow]

its pretty good in my experience

[celest vine]

Zealot car

[odd sparrow]

rewards you for tagging stuff all the time which you should be doing anyway

[cunning holly]

I wonder if most of the vets don't read the description of the stones they take... They keep spampinging their Tag on the same enemy.

[ocean viper]

im spamming it so you can SHOOT IT

[celest vine]

Thsts cause I bound my tag button to shoot

[odd sparrow]

would be hilarious to have 4 VoC+tag vets on a team

[celest vine]

[strange sparrow]

So true

[odd sparrow]

constant toughness overheal and toughness regen

[ocean viper]

the only thing that'll fk them is 1 random pox burster

[strange sparrow]

We have that

We stacked our toughness up to 350

[cunning holly]

Thanks for proving my point

[strange sparrow]

!because auric mael

[ocean viper]

my only constant grievance with veteran is the fact that with bad squads i need to frontline AND shoot specials

if i was ogryn i could do both

[strange sparrow]

Veteran could do both if you run revolver and Psword

Just be a plasma main if you have problem

[cunning holly]

Do try and post your ws here. If you get them.

[ocean viper]

i dislike venting mechanisms in general

[strange sparrow]

I assume you don’t have handcannom?

That’s the important one on Zarona

[ocean viper]

im rerolling another revolver on it

[strange sparrow]

Hmm sound fair

[ocean viper]

was considering this one but reload speed's a dealbreaker

[strange sparrow]

I think it’s alright if you get +30% reload speed talent

But that’s just how I feel

[terse idol]

Not even iirc

They'll have enough to block

[ocean viper]

nah

they'll get launched into a pit

[terse idol]

Oooh

[ocean viper]

where god roll revolver

i need 80 80 80 80

please rngesus

🙏

[tranquil bronze]

Ogryn teammate decided to frak off at the last part of the Smelter mission on Heresy...

[dusty sluice]

whats the ideal blessings for the mk3 headhunter?

rare occurrence of hadron doing smth good

[fast cargo]

Wanted to pose a quick question, what do you all think the minimum is for going into Damnation? I've got a good skill setup, but my weapons still aren't perfect because dear lord the Plasteel economy sucks in this game, but when I'm rocking specialist/elite nuking skills and a plas with the same, how much does it matter?

[cunning holly]

How comfortable are you with running other difs, that is the question. If you get owherwhelmed... Then probably too early

[tall torrent]

Go damnation when you can go entire heresy missions taking minimal health dmg

[cunning holly]

The loadout doesnt really matter anywhere below MAuric as long as yout get decent stats.

[fast cargo]

Did a Heresy Spec Swarm mission and the only reason we lost was trebble crusher/plague ogryn/burster/maulers combo

Generally I'm pretty comfortable in Heresy, just not sure how much worse Damnation is

[dusty sluice]

would headhunter/surgical be better than ghost?

[cunning holly]

Damnation will throw it at you constantly 😄 UNless of course you are lucky and the game director is lazy...

[obtuse raft]

It's pretty much just a skill thing. Decent gear is important yeah but if you don't have the target priority and footwork it's never going to save you.

[fast cargo]

Probably, Ghost is useful as a perk, but breakpoints are king

[fast cargo]

Damn, back to farming Heresy it is, then

[tall torrent]

For Vraks 3, go headhunter + deadly accurate

[cunning holly]

I have been running MAlice for a long time before switching to Damnation 😄 So if you like the game and want to get to the endgame to have fun there, not just be wiped out constantly LIKE SOME REJECTS, just take your time to be comfy

[tall torrent]

U can do silly dps

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1192391435392139284/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.04_-_03.35.39.18.mp4?ex=65a8e80f&is=6596730f&hm=28d684d60eb3e6cf9974385a573b2cec0b9ca57edc9e7a7551f3687834556184&

[fast cargo]

Honestly I'm just pushing because I'm missing one pennance for vet and it's the five Damnation missions one

[dusty sluice]

damn, whats your build?

[cunning holly]

How is it on damnation?

Cause I want that

I love my Vraks

[tall torrent]

This is damnation scaling

It’s just a very point heavy gun

[obtuse raft]

All the headhunters do some pretty silly stuff, I love em.

[cunning holly]

And the gun build? gonna test it right now

[dusty sluice]

whats the reason for not taking exil takedown?

[tall torrent]

Ran out of points

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + deadly accurate

[dusty sluice]

ah lmao

would brauto benefit from suppression immunity?

[tall torrent]

No

[serene sage]

I will not yield to the stupid bot

[tranquil bronze]

Do not yield to the abomination

[serene sage]

amen

[dusty sluice]

so how's this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afd8427-22cb-43cb-8779-9756a7c17036/vet-6-brauto

i am not atall confident on my own builds lol

[tall torrent]

Sorry in a mission rn

[dusty sluice]

fair

[serene sage]

25 toughness to onslaught
take down to redirect fire would be how I would change it 👍

[dusty sluice]

i have found how fun demo team is

with frags

[obtuse raft]

Every situation is improved with liberal application of grenades

[tranquil bronze]

especially krak grenades

[stiff pasture]

I use frags because I normally run plasma

[serene sage]

What can't be solved with frags can be solved with more frags

[obtuse raft]

I know kraks are iconic and all but I struggle to fit them in builds personally.

I almost always have more success with frags

[serene sage]

Actually I would love to test 4 full grenadier vets rotating their reserve going through a mission

3 frags runner 1 krak runner for bosses

Probably will trivialize any map

[crisp oak]

Dont even need kraks tbh, just have 2 run bolters

[junior needle]

I found demo team to be very unnecessary while running passive nade regen, also agree with taking onslaught. It counters falloff from range as well.

[dry knoll]

Which shovel is the one people have been using lately?

[junior needle]

You may want to exchange weakspot damage for suppression immunity as well, because brautos are not terribly good for headshot accuracy and that's only a very slight damage boost. Vs being able to shoot straight all the time.

[dusty sluice]

i didn't think about the falloff lol

[tranquil bronze]

And if that don't work... use more frag.

[ocean viper]

i had an ogryn who was very happy to use the frag the second he saw a horde

thank god

[junior needle]

Most don't consider it, it's actually very helpful. Also confirmed that it does so by me.

[tranquil bronze]

Why do I get the feeling I won't be finding a better one anytime soon?

[junior needle]

Because the games crafting system is purposefully designed as a rng casino treadmill?

[tranquil bronze]

[midnight totem]

ugh

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 benefits from rending a decent amount

[midnight totem]

being suppressed by 5 gunners down a narrow corridor is no fun

[terse idol]

Standard or mk3 iirc

But the blue one is okie too

[tall torrent]

Demo team is usually taken for frags

[midnight totem]

was low on ammo and wanted to save it, couldn't bypass them easily because there was a daemonhost in the other corridor

and before the match i was thinking "I should take my vraks 3 instead of my Brauto"

which has stripped down 4

stealthed to close in and kill four of the gunners but nearly died making my way to the last one

[tall torrent]

Do braced autoguns even care abt being suppressed in the first place

[midnight totem]

I'm like "That shit would not have happened with my brauto"

[junior needle]

Automatics by nature are less affected by suppression, but in my experience it does keep you from shooting as straight as you would normally.

[tall torrent]

I mean, braced autoguns already don’t shoot that straight anyway

Infantry autoguns I see a point

[junior needle]

It's more of a "higher percentage of your shots go wide because your gun keeps moving" as opposed to "fuck I can't hit anything"

[vernal harbor]

12’s all the way good lad

[raw steppe]

weakspot does give you a breakpoint on ps

so it may or may not still be worth

i think 30% weakspot + 25% cara lets you hit a 2-shot breakpoint

another suggestion for @dusty sluice is to try out the columnus brauto

[terse idol]

I think its still 3

Carapace has commonly been disregarded

[raw steppe]

especially paired with PS it feels a bit better in terms of movement

[raw steppe]

?

i've tested it as a 2shot so you might be missing a talent

[civic knot]

Bricked? Or can opening salvo be good?

[ocean viper]

is this actually good? sire melk might've got something useful for once

[raw steppe]

it's decent, 3-line item. good for midgame

if you dont already have one

you just swap both perks

[terse idol]

With long shot?

[raw steppe]

with power sword..

[cunning holly]

So, okay, the gun can do what you showed in real combat situation.
BUT KARK THIS, I am never again leaving my range immunity. Couple of bitches gettin on your ass, and that is the end of the damage.
Good build with psyker shield in team.

[spring rose]

Other then the perk rolls looks good

Stats are actually decent for once lmao

[junior needle]

The CIAG is severely overtuned so even at gray it drastically outperforms many other weapons. That one is perfectly salvageable even if it could be a little better on stats. All you'd have to do is change perks to flak/maniac.

Dumdum is bugged and much better than it seems, and also the only important blessing. The second blessing slot is your last priority for IAG's.

[spring rose]

I'm gonna cry if they nerf that weapon when I come back from vacation

[tranquil bronze]

Infantry Las master race

[junior needle]

It's lasted much longer than the 6d did during patch 13.

[raw steppe]

they wont because it does have weaknesses

it doesnt just completely break the game

like some other stuff did

[junior needle]

It just severely outperforms other weapons, even in the same line

[raw steppe]

dont think so lol

i still think plasma and revolver are better

[junior needle]

Most other weapons, allow me to clarify

Those weapons are also in the same boat of overperformance

Here's bodyshot damage. Still very high. I took a gray CIAG into aurics on my knife zealot and it just melted things.

[ocean viper]

jesus what type of bullets does this damned rifle shoot

[spring rose]

Blessed by the emperor himself

[ocean viper]

this thing melts a reaper in a second

[spring rose]

Perfectly fine infantry weapon I'd say haha

[crude ermine]

I can just swap out the bottom two and it'll work

Now I gotta find a better health curio and I'm set

[gentle maple]

Which one's better?

[crude ermine]

I'd say left because of brutal momentum

[spice wadi]

shame about the second perk

[spare mountain]

this worth anything with the blessing?

[junior needle]

Scattershot has uses

barrage does not

[spare mountain]

this and a Slaughterer IV force sword are currently fighting for my attention blessing wise

[ocean viper]

only thing that this rifle can't do is kill carapace apparently

[junior needle]

Wouldnt use the weapon itself with those rolls

[spare mountain]

better than slaught IV on force sword?

I may not be able to get both

[spare mountain]

not without like at least 6 more runs tn

[junior needle]

Dont force swords use uncanny/unstable power nowadays?

[spare mountain]

Still top tier

[ocean viper]

mind passing that guide over

[simple hinge]

Hallo! I'm New hier. As a Beginner I have some question to ask. Like which Force Sword better is? Mark 3 or Mark 6?

[spare mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-bryan-cranston-heisenberg-breaking-bad-ozymandias-gif-14706411930798972153

[junior needle]

Psyker aethenium

[spare mountain]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[spare mountain]

not bad

[junior needle]

mk6 is superior in general for a few reasons

[spare mountain]

Wait a sec.

This is heresy isnt it

[white minnow]

mk3 is obsolete nowadays

[spare mountain]

why does a vet know a psyker guide just from a small screencap

[gentle maple]

Out of these 3 which would you go with?

[ocean viper]

first one looks pretty good if you plan to use your secondary to run around

[white minnow]

i assume you mean the mk4 (mkiv) force sword, which has stabs that deal extra damage

[junior needle]

1 or 3 because brudal outperforms other damage blessings for crowd clear. Check if there's a difference in dodges between 58 and 61.

[white minnow]

the mk3 has a light stab, but it's the 3rd light and fairly inaccessible, and the mk4 has a heavy stab that does extra damage

[simple hinge]

So Mark 3 war superior but not useful enough now, and Mark 6 is better?

[junior needle]

Oh wait, 3 is a mk3. Go with 1.

[white minnow]

the deimos is straight up better than the obscurus yeah

[spare mountain]

I assume with Flechette funny man builds?

[junior needle]

Yes, with the lawbringer.

[spare mountain]

I have extremely limited shotgun experience

[fiery thorn]

I think it's quite good?

[spare mountain]

I've used it like twice in 920 hrs

[junior needle]

Scuffed.

You want brutal/headtaker and flak/unarmored.

Caxes clear like dog without brutal and hitting breakpoints

[spare mountain]

time for 6 full scrip runs, yay

said no zealot ever

[junior needle]

Just reroll the mission

I never do objectives anymore

[fiery thorn]

er, ok

[spare mountain]

I'd rather run 5 3/3 and one sloppy 1/3 than 8 missions or kill 1k guys a certain way

not to mention 8 missions gives 310 marks and scrips gives 700

[junior needle]

The "kill guys" applies to your whole team

[spare mountain]

I know

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

wrong quote

[spare mountain]

I just prefer to have it a set quantity and I can run whatever

[simple hinge]

Have you the bug gefunden that Plasma sometimes has no sound and visual effects?

[spare mountain]

scrips give a lot of xp so it's good for my true level

[fiery thorn]

what do you mean

[spare mountain]

I would kill a man to change it to 15 books though

that way you can get it done in 5 if you're 5/5 perfect

idk it's 16

just to troll

[junior needle]

I meant to reply to someone else, my bad. Nothing to do with you.

[simple hinge]

Like when you fire the Plasma and it deals Damage but has no special Effects.

[spare mountain]

so disorienting

honestly it should be the opposite since no effect to obscure vision

but it makes me miss a lot

I have to like whack the side of my plasma to make sure the karking thing's working

[obtuse raft]

Yeah it's universal far as I know.

[dry knoll]

yeah ghost plasma shots, very annoying

[celest vine]

Does toughness regen on curios effect all regening toughness or just coherency

[junior needle]

coherency only

[celest vine]

Damn

If only it affected take a breathp

[tranquil bronze]

Gave this a Damnation baptismal and performed very well... and then my Ogryn teammate decided to frak off and cost us the mission.

Ogryn bull rushed off a ledge

[finite carbon]

Lore accurate Ogryn gameplay

[orchid musk]

But they’re like puppies. You can’t hate on them.

[serene sage]

naw i hate em

[orchid musk]

The most annoying thing they do is step in front of me while I’m shooting. Can’t see a damn thing.

[serene sage]

simple solution
no rashuns

so they lose weight

smaller hitbox

im so smart

[tall torrent]

My issue with vraks3 and vraks7 is that they’re very point heavy on middle & left which means you have to run a low-investment horde clear/self defense melee so u can get back into shooting

[cunning holly]

My issue with vets in general is that most pubs dont care to clear the karking mobs that block me from shooting. That is the only char I have so much grief with

[tall torrent]

That’s why I run double nade regen, just spam nades

[terse idol]

Well like ahh, that's why you gotta find your own angles

Make your own spaace

[tranquil bronze]

So Damnation wasn't as bad as I thought it would be... it's just teammates...

[cunning holly]

There is a reason why I main Zealot

[wraith locust]

teammates can be annoying but my mindset is that if we fail, i wasnt good enough to carry

[tall torrent]

It’s not a huge bump in difficulty once u know the game mechanics on staying alive

It’s when u get into special modifiers that things get spicy

[terse idol]

Yess but that's the interesting part of being a Vet
Once you can make space you dooo get a shooting gallergy

[patent swift]

Feelsgood when you get a team mate who clears trash around so you can just shoot all game.

[terse idol]

[torn root]

this

[sudden dome]

Which is the better chain sword? Its looking like the mk IV is for horde clear so I guess XIIIg is an elite remover?

mkIv doesnt feel fast enough for just a heavy mix of attacks though

[torn root]

they're both about the same on horde clear and elite killing imo

its just the moveset diff

m4 can clear hoards good with heavies m13 can just hack and slash with lights

[sudden dome]

honestly I just abuse revolver crits to kill all the melee elites except ogryns anyway so Im not really looking for an elite killing melee

[torn root]

they arent for elites

lmao

versatile no niche on either hoard clear or elite killing

[sudden dome]

mkIV feels ok on a heavy light mix

I mean they arent pure elite but the ripper is a pretty big part of the weapon

[tall torrent]

the chainsaw part sucks

shredder is dump stat

[torn root]

the chainsaw isnt supposed to be spammed

i wouldnt call it a dump stat but they kill elites even with low shredder value

not meant to be a special-heavy weapon tho

[native furnace]

Basically not a lot of high-requirement breakpoints?

[sudden dome]

oh fun the mk Iv has a stab puch attack, the IIIG had a nice slash

[tall torrent]

shredder only affects the revved attacks and u basically never want to use revved attacks with chainswords

[sudden dome]

the stab is too low damage

seems useless

[torn root]

stab is the best rev special on m4

i dont like it either tho

on m13 the rev heavy is pretty decent

and you can disjoint it

[sudden dome]

fair, it can probably instant kill a rager since this 68 took it down 1.7k

its super fast too

rev to stab in like half a second

[torn root]

on both maniac +20% is enough to kill both rager types

even at 50 shredder

this is assuming you have melee finesse/ weakspot damage talents*

proabbly don't need them idk, but i would just run one regardless because its good for hoard clearing

[sudden dome]

I feel like I have a higher crit rate on the push attack Im critting like 25% of the time

on a grey weapon

small sample size of like 30 stabs though

[torn root]

rng

[tranquil bronze]

Does Melk have a fetish for crap gear?

[torn root]

change melk and replace it with Fatshark

[sudden dome]

I was wondering why I wanted to replace my powersword when I swapped to it and was doing 1500 damage headshots but then it wore off and did 220s and this 68% damage chainsword grey does almost twice that, I keep forgetting how garbage powerswords are uncharged because I habitually charge before every slash

[simple hinge]

Hallo, I want to ask a question: how to vermeiden Melee als much als possible?

Als Veteran I often die whenever Crushers/Maulers/Ragers rush to my Face.

[junior needle]

There shouldn't be a crit rate difference between attacks, are you sure you aren't confusing crits for weakspot hits?

[sudden dome]

powersword if you cant dodge out of their way, it stuns and 3 hits ragers, 5 hits maulers and kills crushers fast

[sudden dome]

no I just had a stupidly large lucky streak that stopped as soon as I posted that

I was testing the rev into push attack and I had a crazy yellow crit streak

[simple hinge]

How much Plasteel do I investieren to get Power Circulation IV?

[torn root]

just gunna thrrow out their that even a mid roll on PSword 2 hits everything that isnt a monster

[simple hinge]

10,000 or something?

[sudden dome]

how ever much as it takes took me 1 try to get mine other people spend tens of thousands and dont get it, its worth it though its a monster against elites and lets you get revolver crits from weapon spec to kill mixed hordes faster

[torn root]

you only need power cycle 3 + Brutal momentum 3/ Super Charger 3

actually tested that

roll the dice

[sudden dome]

I like sunder it really works for bulwarks and mauler packs

but supercharger is probably better for crushers

[simple hinge]

Goddess of Luck has indeed blessed you! Only 1 single try? Wow…

[sudden dome]

yes I was very lucky Ive rolled it twice out of my 5 made so far

still not a single brutal momentum though

of any roll

[torn root]

i rate brutal momentum over supercharger only because you get to take more heads off of hoards

seeing 12 heads fly instead of 4 is a sight to behold [exaggerating]

[sudden dome]

I usually 1 shot hordes killing 15+ the real issue is there are no more in range when the charge is gone

then I dodge back charge block and repeat

[torn root]

i dont think the Psword kills more than 10 dudes at a time

like actually

the cleave still does have fall off

[simple hinge]

Is Bullet Gewehr or Lasgewhr better for Anfangers?

[sudden dome]

in 3 hits its like 5 each swing or does enough damage that the side ones die from another side attack

[simple hinge]

I don't want Plasma for its Bug

[sudden dome]

you get 3 swings per charge

[tall torrent]

If BM didn’t exist for power swords it would be sunder then slaughterer/rampage

[torn root]

i mean ppl still use sunder i just like seeing the heads fly XD

BM3 is just straight up +6 heads per swing

[simple hinge]

Is Powersword Trash ohne Power Cycle?

[torn root]

Power Cycle is what i'd call a staple for the weapon

[sudden dome]

in my opinion it needs power cycler 4 to be worth taking

[torn root]

no

it doesnt lmao

PC 3 is enough for the wave clear rotation and the 2 shot combo

[sudden dome]

yes, it does, youre taking a weak weapon without the charge and if you charge on every other hit you take risks against rager packs

3 is perfect since it kills what youre attacking

[torn root]

Charge > Double Light >Charge > Double light repeat

thats the combo

[simple hinge]

For Mark 3 or Mark 6?

[torn root]

3 hit in chain is a diagonal sweep, you dont need it for the wave clear

MK6

mk3 is not the hoard clearing one

[sudden dome]

no the 4th hit is diagonal, the 3rd is still like a 20 degree attack

[simple hinge]

Can I just use Katatchan instead and keep parrying als ob playing Dark Souls?

[torn root]

aah, well either way the 6 is what ppl use because of the moveset

3 iirc ppl just use because they dont like getting slowed on charge

[sudden dome]

yes you can but it will be a slower clear with more risk

[simple hinge]

I'm absolutely poor at Melee…I guess parry is my only Choice?

[sudden dome]

your only choice is to get good, youre going to be investing time anyway might as well learn and the only way to go is up in skill

[torn root]

every 2 hits... btw

[simple hinge]

I think Fatshark is giving us too wenig Munition, or we'd be able to shoot everything in our Way.

Ohne having to melee.

[sudden dome]

you must have maniac and flak, I have block efficency and carapace because I dont have a god roll yet

[grizzled lynx]

hi guys, noob question - what is dump stat for plasma gun?

CR? TR?

[native furnace]

Some combination of TR and Charge Rate, generally. Maybe Ammo if you're going to be selective on shots.

Used to be that you had a specific CR you wanted, but they fixed that bug. Now 80% is fine.

TR, it's a breakpoint game. How many shots you need before you have to vent.

If you can get 3x charged, you're golden.

[simple hinge]

I think TR is absolutely important. Reloading Plasma takes a year.

[neat stratus]

If you have bonuses

[grizzled lynx]

huh, so all is pretty important?

[native furnace]

^ You just vent through the toughness damage.

No reason to reload at 100% heat.

[neat stratus]

If not reloading plasma is just painful

You just take it?

[native furnace]

Just take the "elites give toughness" thing, and you're golden.

[grizzled lynx]

Gloryhunter?

[native furnace]

You never take more heat damage than a single elite worth of toughness regen, and you're almost always rolling multiple stacks.

[sudden dome]

Im doing 800 against them

908 on a swap with the bonus damage

[torn root]

you're gunna struggle into a pack of ragers regardless if you can;t kite right, but that 3rd hit isn't doing the most, and only really helps in that ONE instance

its not a must have though its legit just a bonus

[native furnace]

"Confirmed Kill." Basically you'll always out-regen the damage you take from the vent.

[grizzled lynx]

i see

i have it on

[native furnace]

If you kill three big elites in three shots, you'll be rolling in 60% toughness regenning over 10s, and you'll vent during that time.

[grizzled lynx]

i never had issue with taking venting dmg on damnation - is that an issue in hier difficulties?

[native furnace]

Not really, if you're set to regen toughness like that.

But some people like @neat stratus seem to be rightly scared of it without it.

[serene sage]

damnation is highest in term of game mechanics

auric just means more spawns

and more modifiers

[native furnace]

Other thing is, you can run Born Leader, and you're a toughness battery for the team.

[torn root]

auric only changes spawns and how many modifyers you will be facing

[native furnace]

Allies regen 15% of the toughness you do with Born Leader, so not only are you keeping yourself up during a vent, you're buffing your team.

[grizzled lynx]

right, just saying if auric malestrom is gonna be more difficult than normal damnation and i have less luxury venting

[serene sage]

are we back on the Born Leader debate

[torn root]

oy

[serene sage]

I don't think you will find a lot of people here who think it's good

[torn root]

giving the mates 1.6 toughness a second is goated

[serene sage]

it's fine to take

[torn root]

lmao

[serene sage]

just not good

[native furnace]

Auric is honestly easier if you have Confirmed Kill in a lot of ways. More rolling regen.

[native furnace]

This is the core of it. If you can find a point, it can help your team in a pinch. But it won't be game-changing usually.

[rotund heart]

plasma synergizes quite nicely with the right side keystone

[sudden dome]

the 15% is for when you shout and you give them an extra 30, thats about it

[serene sage]

yeah, but there are too many "great" or "good" points in the vet tree that doesn't exactly make a "fine" point worth taking

[sudden dome]

or when you kill 10 trash mobs a second and give them an extra 7 toughness each I know huge numbers

[serene sage]

you aren't hurting yourself, it's just the opportunity cost is high

[sudden dome]

god shredder pistol sucks

[torn root]

10x7 is not bad ngl

[serene sage]

then again, im not gonna pretend for the emperor is that much better

[torn root]

they probably wont need it though

[sudden dome]

nah its 7 total

for killing 10

[torn root]

this talent is ass imo

[serene sage]

at least for the emp lets you mag dump bosses for 5s

[torn root]

just that the other 2 are worse

[serene sage]

which is... also fine?

[sleek minnow]

Can someone send me a video of what to do once you found a good weapon that is worth trying to min max I don’t really know the proper steps and stuff

[sudden dome]

50% suppression is where its at, got to get suppression on 4 revolver bullets on that one gunner I keep missing

[torn root]

like actually if someone is taking born leader over for the emperor im not arguing it with them

its just meh choices in that area

[native furnace]

I take both, personally (on certain builds). Agreed that the For the Emperor is kinda a big deal.

[torn root]

10% for 5 seconds is kinda strict, If I could take 5% for 10, i would over that talent

could do more damage in those 10 seconds

[sudden dome]

I take it back shredder is pretty mid, you just need to hit headshots while also super stunning things and throwing their head in every direction

shredder is pretty much the perfect weapon spec weapon for someone who doesnt want to pull a ranged weapon out at all but wants the bonuses of ranged kills

quick headsweep to silence gunners, stun ragers, get that 25% damage 15% attackspeed

then go back to slashing

[wraith locust]

columnus is the new shredder but better

[sudden dome]

its got less collateral stat so yea that helps alot

it feels like a peashooter but it bowls over everything to make sure you cant get any dps in

[terse idol]

Uh

There's not much video I mean its like
If you post your weapon here we can analyze it and see what it needs like the proper blessings and perks

[torn root]

yeah...

[slender bay]

So what’s the difference between the melees like the shovels

They all looo like they do the same as the other in the class

[torn root]

start with a good base grey then figure out what perks/blessings you want for the skill tree you want to use

[topaz pebble]

Variants have different movesets

[torn root]

because not all perks work with every skill tree for every weapon

[terse idol]

You could look over at
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds
For builds with that weapon @sleek minnow

[serene bough]

standard issue is more defensive whereas the two newer marks have a single target attack

standard issue poke staggers anything beside monstro

[slender bay]

Yea and the fancy special move

[terse idol]

Usually the blessings are chosen on BIS... i think... I don't really use games lantern

ButA

Its worth checking out and comparing

[torn root]

some of the game's lantern builds are worth a look

[sudden dome]

The difference is that they arent the powersword and therefore inferior. The bright side is that it brings equality because theyre all equally as bad conpared to the powersword

[torn root]

yikes

[dusty silo]

orthus

[terse idol]

Well iirc the mk3 has a faster special attack anim than the mk6?

[torn root]

comments like that get PSword users flak frfr

[terse idol]

The standard one is pretty good at wave control from what I've been experiencing

[sudden dome]

you heard it here first, power sword users are hated because they tell the truth

[torn root]

perceived truth*

[terse idol]

Gotta get that power sword out of your ass

[topaz pebble]

Cant, its too broken to put down

JK, put it does need to be kneecapped

[torn root]

its not like the rashad exists either

lmao

[sudden dome]

rashad exists in its own seperate catagory outside the meta and therefore cant be talked about

as the broken weapon available to all

except the worst class

[torn root]

eeeh hot take

[terse idol]

The rashad at the very least needs to be min maxed

[topaz pebble]

Rashad is good

[terse idol]

Like God damn

[topaz pebble]

MK6 PS is broken

[terse idol]

Those BP's are important af

[serene orbit]

broken good or bad?

honestly yeah, I never hear about it

[sudden dome]

broken as in kill every chaff on weakpoint

and therefore ignore mass of all chaff

[terse idol]

3 shot crushers too

Don't forget that

[sudden dome]

letting you mow through things

[terse idol]

Rashad slaps a little

Sorry

[torn root]

2 shots crushers

lmao

[terse idol]

4 shots crushers

QHt

WHAT

[sudden dome]

is it 2 shot crits?

[wraith locust]

lemme see a clip

i dont believe this

[terse idol]

Damn my rashad is struggling

Oh

[topaz pebble]

2 crit headshots I assume

[serene orbit]

so, what, headtaker/brutal, flakiac?

[torn root]

oh yea i got you right now

[topaz pebble]

But uh MK6 does that too

without crits

[torn root]

it 2 shots crushers with BM3 and SC4

[topaz pebble]

1 shots with crit

[torn root]

with little investment

[terse idol]

We got the Azreal clip

3 shot doe

[wraith locust]

wheres the 2 shot

[sudden dome]

thats literally twice my damage, I get 608 weakpoint hits on them with my zealot and I havent rolled a good one on vet yet

despite 3m coins trying

[torn root]

im scrolling through my posts

ive posted clips with both

[sudden dome]

today i learned you can 2 shot crushers with the mk6 powersword stab

[torn root]

yes

stap into light

lemme find the clips

ppl really dont understand

[sudden dome]

Ive been 8 shotting them with normal lights

I feel dumb now

[torn root]

fuck it

ill clip one righ tnow

[sudden dome]

I usually just 2 shot them with my revolver though

[wraith locust]

yes plz

tyty

[torn root]

understand how broken this weapon is

i was practicing my animation cancel too

[wraith locust]

breh

i thought we were talking rashad

[torn root]

no

[glacial yacht]

whats the animation cancel?

[torn root]

i was only ever talking about the psword

[wraith locust]

rip

[torn root]

noted rashad exists

[sharp ember]

mk6 psword moment

[thick rose]

finally getting around to trying the mk7 shovel and really liking it

[torn root]

but the psword 100% can 2 shot anything that isnt a monster

[sharp ember]

activate > block

[sudden dome]

the timing for the light attack after the stab is so small

[torn root]

BM3 or SC4

[sudden dome]

hold too little and nothing hold too long and heavy

[torn root]

activate shove

[thick rose]

so much hype around the mk3 shovel one hitting crushers but I like just stabbing lots of enemies one hit

[torn root]

blocking doesnt cancle the animation

[glacial yacht]

i love the mk 7 shovel been using it for a coupel days

[thick rose]

its really well rounded

[torn root]

the cancle makes that shit so fast

[thick rose]

combined with revolver and middle tree

[torn root]

you can't just hold the block

[glacial yacht]

so you activate then quickly block?

[sudden dome]

wait thats actually a thing

i just animation canceled

what

why have I never heard of that

I didnt even try until you said it

[torn root]

because ppl dont do deep dives

[torn root]

i do

[topaz pebble]

Like you can do this with just the perks for elite and ogryn damage

[torn root]

you can ani cancle with almost every special activate in the game

shredder included

[sudden dome]

it makes the timing for the light attack so much better too

[torn root]

i lab too much like nachies has said before

but its for a reason

ppl dont be knowing shit

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sur ps mk6 block cancel was specifically mentionned in patch 14. Also mk3 cant but can be activated without stopping sprint.

[sharp ember]

the mk6 specifically got a buff to enter blocking stance after activating faster

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[torn root]

yeah that buff doesnt mention the animation cancle

its not the same thing

[sudden dome]

the cancel is probably just a side effect

[torn root]

^

[wanton dawn]

"Ps6 animation can be cancelled into block"

[torn root]

yea i can show you what the change meant

this was the change

that wasnt able before, but im talking about completly forgoing that

dont gotta do all that if you can just shove

[wanton dawn]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-14-notes-part-1/84501

[terse idol]

I'm dead, I thought we were talking rashad too

[wanton dawn]

Munitorum Mk VI Power Sword block cost reduction by 25%
● Activation can be cancelled to block 0.3s in, keeping the activation

Dev Note: This change was made to make Munitorum Mk VI Power Sword more focused on
defensive chaining, by allowing the block chain to be activated. The activation animation also
matches the block animation so the transition from block → activate is smoother.

[terse idol]

Which seems we have the 3 tap crusher combo, and spam left click on hordes

[torn root]

must have read it wrong

[sudden dome]

I can now take rending on crit off my revolver because it was only ever used on crushers

[torn root]

at least someone learned that you can cancle the animation tho

[topaz pebble]

No keep handcannon

[sharp ember]

that chainsword has a good start, Wrath is a required blessing if you even want to use the Rampage blessing

[topaz pebble]

Every 4% rending over is 1% damage

[wanton dawn]

It applies to other armor type too. Might wanna check before

[sharp ember]

the plasma is gonna need to be replaced some day but it's fine for now, you can change the perks on it to optimize shots to kill

[terse idol]

Alright let's see so the pgun is okay, but the perks you want are unarmoured, maniac, or elite + and maniac

[drifting hedge]

Hey convicts should I get the green revolver?

[terse idol]

The modifiers I mean

[sudden dome]

I hit my break points on everything else, surgical will push me from 68% to 78% crit on shots after the first letting me body shot ragers for kills

[marsh condor]

Yes

[terse idol]

I would say you want as high TR as possible but thems the breaks sometimes

Volatile isn't the best

Pgun is focused currently on spaming uncharged shots

[drifting hedge]

I'll do that then ty mister mildly insane

[sleek minnow]

So should I focus most of my attention on min maxing the sword rather than the p gun

[terse idol]

Rn probably, but I don't know how to min max a chainsword

😭

[sleek minnow]

Alright lol does anyone know which sword should I focus on

Which one of the two

[marsh condor]

I feel like with the old Chainsword, you can do something a lil funny with Bloodthirsty for some reason

[sudden dome]

left, finesse is pretty important

[torn root]

i dont think you can

tbh

[marsh condor]

But I don't know what to pair Bloodthirsty with.

[torn root]

shredder lowkey is the dumpstat i would even say mobility is more useful

[terse idol]

You can still optimize blessings at the very leaast

Thats wild

[torn root]

Chainsword has a bunch of combos

depends on what they want i guess

[terse idol]

Would definetly take rampage on the right as in
Take the blessing

[marsh condor]

That blessing works best on the Force Sword, especially the Illisi variant.

[torn root]

imo rampage+savage sweep is like the go-to

[terse idol]

But take left chainsword

[torn root]

rampage + wrath works too just don't miss

[sharp ember]

the right one cannot use Rampage without Wrath to enable it to cleave through poxwalkers and melee infantry

[sudden dome]

can we get an auric malice just for messing around with bad weapons but still having alot of spawns?

[sharp ember]

this is a mk13 chainsword, which uses lights for horde clear and has no cleaving heavies

[sleek minnow]

Which one is the right one ?

[sharp ember]

the one on the right

[torn root]

the lights have cleave up 3 at base

[marsh condor]

Just a joke idea I suddenly have.

Imagine if we have a revolver ||grenade launcher.||

[sudden dome]

so basically bolter pistol but a revolver

[marsh condor]

No, not like that

[torn root]

I would 100% left

[topaz pebble]

So the grenade gauntlet basically

[marsh condor]

But with 2 extra shots.

[torn root]

and the XIIIg at base can proc rampage

why do ppl say it cant?

[marsh condor]

New or old?

[topaz pebble]

First light IS strikedown, so maybe thats why

[sudden dome]

weird, if I hold down the special button when using the devils blade the heavies attack faster because it removes the extra useless movement at the end

[topaz pebble]

But I love the new chainsword

[torn root]

the 13g is the new one

[marsh condor]

Ah

[torn root]

it cleaves 3 targets if it doesnt hit carapace or flak

[sharp ember]

i had to double check

[torn root]

to cleave 3 against flak you need Heavy 3 to hit

[marsh condor]

Then basically, it's more focused on single-target, so you don't usually proc rampage.

[sharp ember]

okay so

[terse idol]

It needs to do something the ogrynns already doesn't do which uh, maybe bleed dots?

Higher stagger?

[sharp ember]

it isn't as bad as i thought it would be

[marsh condor]

Lemme think.

[terse idol]

I feel like a grenadier gun for vet would need a class to back it up

[marsh condor]

Basically a combination of the two Ogryn grenade launchers?

[terse idol]

Maybe... hmmm

[marsh condor]

Like, it explodes on impact and roughly has a large AoE.

[torn root]

savage sweep

[sharp ember]

i will revisit the mk13 at a later date, i thought it couldn't hit 3 scab bruisers on light but in theory it should be able to

[terse idol]

Personally would base it off the dawn of war 1 guardsmen grenade launcher

[marsh condor]

But in exchange, its firing arc is much lower than the dedicated grenade launchers

[terse idol]

Lots of CC

[torn root]

shove attack chains

[terse idol]

I would like if the vet has a wide firing arc so you need to aim higher actually

[marsh condor]

The area damage could be comparable to the Grenadier Gauntlet, too.

In exchange for high stagger

[terse idol]

I'm hesitant trying to balance some other classes niche

Ogryn is like

Touuufh

[marsh condor]

It's just some random idea

[terse idol]

Cause they share no human weapons

Oh no for sure

[torn root]

yup, telling labbing is how we learn the game lmao

[terse idol]

I like to break it down

[marsh condor]

I'm mostly concerned with melee weapons for Veterans.

And ranged (hybrid) weapons for Zealots.

[sharp ember]

i hope the mk13 chainsword gets a shortcut to access its cleaving heavy 3

[marsh condor]

Since Veterans already have the new shovels, I'm gonna focus on the Zealots' ranged options.

[terse idol]

I hope they have the framework for duel weapons and add them in soon

[marsh condor]

(Hate being a grammar Nazi)
*Dual

[wanton dawn]

Veteran has glorious hellbore mk1 mk2 for """hybrid""" option

[marsh condor]

But yeah

[terse idol]

Dueling weapons

Dual

[marsh condor]

Quotations are not needed. It is a hybrid weapon at this point.

[sharp ember]

maybe sword + pistol pair one day

[terse idol]

Give us a commissar sword

[sharp ember]

40k saltzpyre will return

[terse idol]

WHERE IS IT FS

[wanton dawn]

You think i play it for the ranged ?

[marsh condor]

But I want to give the Zealot their own version of the Helbore

[marsh condor]

Nope. I know what you're gonna use it for.

Because I do the same.

[terse idol]

Zealot gets melta

😌

[marsh condor]

I want to give them a Stubber with a bayonet.

[sharp ember]

one of the psyker dueling swords with overhead heavy chops is the exact moveset i want for a commissar power cutlass

[marsh condor]

So that they can properly do a bayonet charge.

[terse idol]

I will note the Eclisiarchy doesn't exactly have the weapons like kriegers do, my lore brain bleeds.

I mean

[sharp ember]

just with power activation

[terse idol]

Its not too far fetched

You have zealot-adjacent people fighting in Krieg

[terse idol]

How can we possibly complete our commissar cosplay without a swooord

[marsh condor]

Imagine giving a Zealot an M1 Garand (a Stubber in 40k) with bayonet

[terse idol]

That'd be pretty sweet

[marsh condor]

Even dumber idea I had now.

[nova lagoon]

my plas gun slaps

: )

[marsh condor]

You know how most of the weapon marks have a "Heavy", "Medium" and "Light" variant, right?

What if we have

• Bolt-action (Heavy)
• Semi-auto (Medium)
• Lever-action (Light)
  For our Stubbers?

[wanton dawn]

We have stubber ?

[marsh condor]

Technically we already have them in the Shotguns and Revolvers.

Heavy Stubber's exclusive to Ogryn (for now)

But I mean rifles. Like, the guns that coined the term Stubber

[wanton dawn]

Technicality is not something i can wield !

[marsh condor]

With their main advantage over say, the Vraks Mk VII Headhunter and Revolvers being more penetration and ammo reserves, respectfully, in addition to their bayonet attack.

[sharp ember]

i have a headcanon that skitarii galvanic rifles operate either like m1 garands or revolver rifles

[terse idol]

Ah my gosh, I just love how we got a krieg zealot like

It just works

[marsh condor]

Wtf is going on

In that video

[torn root]

you dead ass right now dude?

[terse idol]

Oh my god wait that's a terrorist attack

[torn root]

i dont think ppl think before posting certain things

[junior grail]

That shouldnt be allowed in a gaming chat discord...

[wanton dawn]

Remove it. Looks bad

[torn root]

nah bro im reporting it righ tnow alrwayd lmao

that shits not cool

[sharp ember]

<@&735928989146939404> can we get this literal terrorist attack footage outta here

[torn root]

ppl legit dont use braincells

[marsh condor]

Out of all the videos and gifs, you picked that.

[torn root]

hope that's a ban

[wanton dawn]

Alright, that sure brough the mood down

[junior grail]

Fantasy violence is a-ok, real life... is just depressing

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna look for pokemon picks

[torn root]

Shedinja best pokemon

change my mind

[wanton dawn]

Better now

[junior grail]

I was just about to type Eevee

[serene bough]

that was quite a disturbing post

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-this-cute-cool-flirt-pokemon-gif-24161642

[serene orbit]

https://www.pinlordshop.com/cdn/shop/products/Picachupokemonguitarpick.jpg?v=1683270802&width=713