veteran-class

[strange sparrow]

As long you dont do Brix English

[wanton dawn]

Also i have an heavy accent when am tired apparently

[neat stratus]

Also german has really funny words

Backpfeifengesicht describes someone who has a punchable face for example

[serene sage]

Me when I'm excited

[muted knot]

German is okay

But it's a bit much sometimes

[neat stratus]

Also I'm convinced Russian is simply not designed for English speakers to be able to pronounce

[obtuse raft]

Taking all of the spaces out of a full sentence doesn't count

[terse idol]

It just takes time I'm certain

[neat stratus]

Thats exactly whats so great about it

[wanton dawn]

Innuendo ?

[muted knot]

You say that but that's literally how it works sometimes

[neat stratus]

Why use spaces, if just make sentence a word?

[muted knot]

Well the funny thing about Backpfeifengesicht is that it really just translates to "slap face"

[neat stratus]

Yeah, pretty much

[serene sage]

No lmao

[wanton dawn]

Pfeifengesicht sounds pretty funny

[neat stratus]

Well it literally translates to that, its more of an adjective in practice

[serene sage]

I'm not horni all the time

[muted knot]

Cringe

[neat stratus]

55555 is also really fun, fünf­und­fünfzig­tausend­fünf­hundert­fünf­und­fünfzig

[muted knot]

Now ask the Frenchies how to say it in french

[neat stratus]

Say that 5 times in a row

[wanton dawn]

"Cinquante cinq mille cinq cent cinquante cinq". Might need plural but cant be bothered

[neat stratus]

Or in chinese

wuwuwuwuwu

[wanton dawn]

If you want the funny french try 99999

[neat stratus]

I mean fifty-five-thousand-five-hundred-fifty-five isn't exactly optimal

[wanton dawn]

Quatre-vingt-dix neuf mille neuf cent quatre-vingt-dix neuf

[neat stratus]

German, the most literal language when it wants to be

[serene sage]

Tbf

Flamethrower isn't exactly nuanced

[serene sage]

It's literally the same

[neat stratus]

Ok but this thing Gewehrs Fallschirmjagers

[terse idol]

Flammenwerfer but it flammenwerfs your schnitzel

[wanton dawn]

What's german for "entrepreneur"?

[wanton dawn]

No equivalent in french ofc

[serene bough]

never would've expected the german language to be a meme

[neat stratus]

Unternehmer

[strange sparrow]

Me upon realizing Veteran chat has been German

Swamp French people

[wanton dawn]

Surprisingly tame

[strange sparrow]

it's so joever

[neat stratus]

Female is Unternemin

[neat stratus]

Heimerdinger

[serene sage]

Germans, why do you do this

[neat stratus]

BECAUSE ITS FUNNY

[strange sparrow]

German not complicating their language for 1 second

[neat stratus]

Erklärungsnot describes not having an explanation for something you've done, literally translates to Explanation Poverty

[wanton dawn]

Hihi, "snot"

Am not sorry

[neat stratus]

Fremdschämen is when you cringe so hard it hurts

Sitzfleisch is having a dumptruck that lets you comfortably sit through boring things

[serene sage]

Schadenfreude is my favorite German word

Or rather a common English word now

[serene bough]

wish i knew more than one language

[neat stratus]

I barely do

I speak like, maybe basic sentences in spanish and german

Cant talk about most things but I can understand the gist of some sentences

[tranquil bronze]

Just the two of us in Heresy Hunting Grounds... and we pulled it off, zero deaths.

[wanton dawn]

Took me a good 10 years to become alright in english

[obtuse raft]

It's always really impressed me just how many people on the Internet I run into that learned English primarily or exclusively through VoIP or TV shows.

[crude fiber]

it gonna suck when i have to start looking for certain mission types (investigation and repair)

[serene sage]

Me, internet taught me 70% of English i know

[random cairn]

what is a good item gear to run max dificulty ?

[wanton dawn]

Define gear

[serene sage]

Obligatory anything works
If you're looking for meta then Plasma and Power Sword

[random cairn]

main weapon, off hand and curios i gues

[inland orchid]

Off hand weapons exist?

[random cairn]

melee weapons

[serene sage]

Plasma and Power Sword

Are the current overtuned options

[random cairn]

how ever what i ment is the gear level, like now i have 420

[terse idol]

I mean

You just look at your modifiers

Total gear score isn't like in vermintide

[obtuse raft]

Really the gear score number can be deceptive. It's only a big deal for the base stats and even then distribution is more important than raw total

[inland orchid]

Modifier stat is king for seeing if a weapon has the stones to survive higher intensities

[terse idol]

All the other modifiers, like blessings will just increase total weapon score based on their tier but some of the best blessings only exist on t3

[random cairn]

ok and what would that be for average 5 lvl mission, couse i am gething my tukas handed in thous misssions

[serene sage]

Weapon rating is generally not reflective of the gear, what matters is the blessings and to a certain extent, the BASE stats (not the TOTAL stats)

[terse idol]

Just post your weapon here

The highest number you can get for your modifiers is 380

But you need to know what stat your dumping

[random cairn]

ohh

[obtuse raft]

Genuinely not being a dick. It's probably skill issue unless your build/gear is REALLY bad.

[terse idol]

Post the weeapoon

[serene sage]

they are new

[random cairn]

you whant me to screen shot it ?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[serene sage]

yeah that would help

[terse idol]

That makes it easier to judge

[random cairn]

ok

[serene sage]

like what is your current option

do you have anything else that you think can help

[obtuse raft]

These games are difficult to get into if you haven't played them much before and it really ramps up in the highest difficulties

[serene sage]

etc etc

[muted knot]

Cap

[terse idol]

Its the strange part that

English and German has aloot of similarities

[random cairn]

i just need to log in

[muted knot]

That's cause english is a bastardization of many languages

[terse idol]

Yeah, that's a good start

[terse idol]

Isn't it mainly like, French, German, Olde English

[muted knot]

You need to change your perks but that will bring you through damnation runs (not exactly optimal tho

[terse idol]

Those are good modifiers but mainly we want mobility to be low to up the other stats

[serene sage]

good stats, blessings should be changed to dum dum (pick one of the two) and you are good

[terse idol]

The best stat distribution is technically 80's in everything but 1

[muted knot]

Change elite perk to flak and punishing salvo to dum dum

[random cairn]

i dont have them yet

never found a gun whit it

[muted knot]

Ah

[serene sage]

just have to be patient then

those are plenty good for Auric T5/M

[muted knot]

You can change elite to flak tho, which should help a bit

[muted knot]

These are good for auric t5 ?

[serene sage]

it's a ciag5

with really good stats

[terse idol]

That's faiir

[serene sage]

what else do you need

[terse idol]

You should take a peak at https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

For information on some of these blessings

[random cairn]

ahh nice

[terse idol]

For your dlcaw you'll want to replace both blessings imo,
To Shred and Rampage

[astral ingot]

honestly with that gear it is a skill issue if you are having trouble in damnation

no offense

[terse idol]

But the perks aren't the best

[terse idol]

Which is fine it just takes learninf

[lusty jetty]

The "skill issue" bit needs a bit of a disclaimer

[barren cave]

which is the best dclaw

[serene sage]

could be technically true, but i hate throwing the word skill issue around people who are newer

[random cairn]

ye it is a bit hektik in lvl 5s i get killed ofthenly by one hits

[serene sage]

it's like calling a baby "weak"

yeah no shit

I would curbstomp 5 babies at once in a cage match

any day of the week

[terse idol]

What are your curios looking like too?

[lusty jetty]

You can and will lose a LOT of Damnation matches even if you are a competent player

[terse idol]

As vet, and someone new you probably want 2+ toughness 1 + wounds

[lusty jetty]

There is a huge skill gap between "should be playing in Damnation" and "can carry 3 trash idiots through Damnation"

[terse idol]

Okay okay swapvout combat ability regen

[terse idol]

For gunner resistance

[serene sage]

could you do me a favor and change combat ability to gunner resistance

[terse idol]

All combat ability regen to gunner resistance

[serene sage]

all of them, all 3, overkill, but just take em

trust me

[terse idol]

Combat ability regen is very bad

[random cairn]

ok

[serene sage]

it's world of difference

[random cairn]

i was trieing to be a support

[serene sage]

do you like a more "meta" build to try out?

[obtuse raft]

You can totally do that. It's just that the benefit from that specific stat isn't super worth it. A "support" build is a fantastic thing to have

[serene sage]

there are plenty build options, but some are easier to get into

[random cairn]

no idea m8

[barren cave]

what dclaw is meta rn

[lusty jetty]

I found Agripinaa Braced Autogun fantastic as a newer player

[serene sage]

mkIV

they are all nearly the same anyway

but mkIV overhead is easiest to work with for heavy

lights are all the same

[lusty jetty]

Columnus MkV is hot meta right now but frankly is pretty annoying to use and maximize IME, Agripinaa is just super effective no matter what

[random cairn]

man the terminalogy is confusing 😄

[obtuse raft]

While we are on the topic, what's the window on the parries for those things anyway?

I've been meaning to try them

[random cairn]

tight

[muted knot]

Ehhh

[random cairn]

the moment you hear the woosh sound you need to parry

bat it can parry anything

even the big boy hits

[muted knot]

It also does silly damage to crushers

[random cairn]

dont know if it is omnidirectional like normal block

[astral ingot]

the window is very forgiving

[obtuse raft]

Oh, that's not too bad at all tbh

[serene sage]

i think the parry "block" is omnidirectional but the return damage is not

[tranquil bronze]

Overall, very happy how this turned out.

[muted knot]

@random cairn what does your talent tree look like?

[muted knot]

That certainly works!

[obtuse raft]

I figured it'd be closer to like VT2's parry blessing

[serene sage]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
you can use this to sahre

[tranquil bronze]

I get the feeling I won't be getting a good one like that in a while

[terse idol]

Oh I mean thats valid, the problem I'd that combat ability regen will only give you at most like 5 of 6 seconds of reduced cooldown

[random cairn]

ahh

[terse idol]

Because you're running middle, you'll just get combat ability regen back by killing elites

[barren cave]

what perks and blessings for power sword

[muted knot]

It's not terrible but it's missing a bunch of stuff I personally like

[obtuse raft]

Yeah

[lusty jetty]

HH + DA is my fav blessing combo

[muted knot]

Big one is the 25%ammo

[obtuse raft]

I never leave the house without demo team personally

[serene sage]

I think this would be better.

[muted knot]

Which one is Demoteam ?

[serene sage]

I maintained most of the skills you pick, just not the "lower" valued ones

[lusty jetty]

Demo Team irrelevant below Auric Heresy or Damnation + IMO

[random cairn]

noted

[obtuse raft]

5% for free nade on team elite kills

[random cairn]

so reviving people is not a good thing to get ?

[astral ingot]

it doesn't bring enough value to spend points on no

especially since you are going out of your way to get it

[serene sage]

In Auric T5, it's best to leave teammates on the ground and deal with the threats first
If they die, they die. Rezzing while under fire is how team wipes.

[muted knot]

Agreed

[serene sage]

Though you also have as lot of grenades in this build, so push comes to shoves, throw nade, all of them, and rezz

[muted knot]

I really need to start reading talent names

[random cairn]

hmm

[serene sage]

the nade will stagger, if not outright kill everything while you rez

[barren cave]

whats the difference in the power swords?

[random cairn]

i will trie it

[obtuse raft]

The ult revive has pretty steep downsides for what you get, and the basic one can be enough to buy you the time you need to get them up safely anyway.

[muted knot]

The problem is that it costs you 2 points while not bringing you closer to other more important talents

[astral ingot]

swapped heavy and light combos esentially

[random cairn]

noted

[astral ingot]

mark six has a funny pushstab+light combo that currently can twoshot headshot crushers

[barren cave]

do both of them run the same blessings and perks

[muted knot]

You always want power cycler 4

Or at the very least 3

[barren cave]

power cycler and slaughterer on both Im assuming?

[serene sage]

mk6 can run carapace to two shot crushers
mk3 can't so it doesn't care for carapace damage

[muted knot]

You can go for brutal momentum on the 6

[serene orbit]

What perks should a Mk III shovel have if it's mostly for horde clear? unarmored/flak?

[gusty bison]

Mk 3 shovel isnt for horde clear

[inland orchid]

Make it horde clear anyway, spam light

Life good

[gusty bison]

Its ok at horde clear but its main thing is obliterating elites

It cant hit any spectacular BPs due to the lack of Brutal Momentum

[serene orbit]

that's why I said mostly -- I have my ranged weapon for any elites I encounter

[gusty bison]

Basically theres not much u can do from stock

[serene orbit]

Still flakiac though then, i guess?

[gusty bison]

Not really

It obliterates maniac enemies

And flak tbh

The main things it wants more damage vs is carapace and unyielding I think

But once again thats for single target busting

I dont think +infested or unarmoured change its breakpoints at all vs chaff

[terse idol]

Its that uh

[serene orbit]

hmm, gotcha

thank you

[gusty bison]

They mean the revive speed talent

[terse idol]

You have to know how to revive people safe, shout revive also increases your shout cooldown

You want to keep it low

[terse idol]

Oooh woops

[gusty bison]

Which yea

Not gud

Shout rev is ok

Not the best sure

[terse idol]

I'm not thrilled about it with because of current VOC play style yee

[serene orbit]

Is there a significant difference between the III and VI sapper shovels? Or just attack patterns?

[inland orchid]

The latter

Ones strikedown the others vanguard

[crude fiber]

but muh 50% revive speed

[strange sparrow]

Why do you want revive speed thou

I never understand about VoC revival purpose in game because it's really a niche even they dont have the CD increase

It's great that you could revive someone in a pinch while having some boss fight I guess but do you really need it

[inland orchid]

Why wouldn’t u want extra revive speed, I totally don’t have bias with all my curios having it

[strange sparrow]

Also the fact that it's quite expensive talent to get to imo

[wanton dawn]

VoC rez is fine, its drawback are too much

[crude fiber]

well ive never run into yall alpha gamers in this discord that never take damage or go down. i just enjoy getting people up fast

[strange sparrow]

That's fair, I get this guy up 8 times in a row

[wanton dawn]

Just because you take rez speed does not mean you will be better at rezzing

[strange sparrow]

he's running marty veteran

[inland orchid]

Laughs as I murder the 1 wounded warrior via auto reviving (he was in a bomber’s grenade)

[wanton dawn]

Just like playing support vet does not make born leader a good talent

[strange sparrow]

Casually VoC revive people in Fire because I need to stagger hordes

[crude fiber]

"better at rezzing" just dodge/kill any disablers and toss a grenade and your good. though i guess not everyone does that lol

[muted knot]

You really can't let that one go can you?

[wanton dawn]

Never !

[muted knot]

Well a quick revive can just make or break your run

[strange sparrow]

I believe reviving is bad until you stabilize the situation

Dropping everything on hand to rez people kill so many of my run

[wanton dawn]

Id rather you buy me dinner first

[strange sparrow]

[muted knot]

Date ?

[crude fiber]

i say all that but i did revive someone into a mutant which i killed and then they got immediately trappered lol

[wanton dawn]

Surprise me

[lusty jetty]

Damn shredder grenades are fantastic

I never truly appreciated them until today

[muted knot]

Shredder good

[lusty jetty]

Sucks not having immediate hard carapace counter but I had two twinned blast shredders go off in a row on a HISTG rager pack and that was pretty cathartic

[muted knot]

Twinned blast

Lmao

[strange sparrow]

Shredder's alright, you need to always throw 2 to stack bleed

[lusty jetty]

Oh yeah

Taking all grenade perks super fun

no keystones

[muted knot]

I just don't think twinned blast is worth the point

[lusty jetty]

Vraks VII/III hit breakpoints without Marksmans Focus or Focus Target anyways

[muted knot]

Too much variance

[untold mulch]

2 shredders is my go to when we are about to be as a group overwhelmed

[lusty jetty]

No doubt, I like boom/bust abilities though

[muted knot]

So hab dreyko last area

[untold mulch]

Dreyko sees all the nades

[static timber]

another day without a tempestus scions helmet

[lusty jetty]

Hab Dreyko last area should be exterminatus'd

[untold mulch]

My main hope is Hotshot alongside it

[static timber]

they wouldn't tho

would be incredible

[muted knot]

Hotshot lasgun ?

[untold mulch]

hell yeah

[muted knot]

Oh wait

A hellgun

Gotcha

[untold mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747825334967074832/886295240401621022/1623486312.delta-ace_guardsmengoespewpew.gif

[untold mulch]

Yeah I prefer that name

But GW loves changing names without reason

[muted knot]

I was thinking of long Las with hotshot cells

[untold mulch]

If they do it as weapons, there is 3 known hellgun patterns

[twin ingot]

Ey my animation again

[muted knot]

Ryza, heavy and ?

[untold mulch]

The Karskin one that is I specifically requested all the dakka

The Scion that is like middle point

And the Krieg one which is led me overcharge this shit

[untold mulch]

Is a pretty good gif

[twin ingot]

Thank you was fun working on it

[untold mulch]

I need to get a DoW gif with the kasrkin

[muted knot]

Your animation is killing my discord lmao

[untold mulch]

[twin ingot]

[untold mulch]

Your discord is not worthy 🗿

[muted knot]

Also not enough dakka

[untold mulch]

There will never be enough dakka

[twin ingot]

I got a guardsmen commission coming up next, its either gonna be a parade or war scene with tanks

[wise trout]

Something something armed escort.

[untold mulch]

[acoustic carbon]

What does it imply by Close Damage here? Like, melee-only combat or when you're really close to the enemies with your gun, or both?

[wild flax]

what is the SAH! community's opinion on ogryn shield?

[untold mulch]

Good as long as they recognize they occupy most of the hallway and position accordingly

[wanton dawn]

both

[untold mulch]

which is rarely

[white minnow]

if it's the same close damage as dum dum, then it's a damage bonus that falls off with distance

[merry gale]

it's the same i think

[wise trout]

Shield is the biggest, and heaviest, and so the best weapon.

[wild flax]

well sah we need that room to stop puny bullets

[wise trout]

Proper sized.

[twin ingot]

I'll be posting it in the fan art channel when I do it and finish it

[wanton dawn]

SAH opinion is that shield is fine rn

Though I am not sure why shield makes enemy bleed

[teal quail]

Do you need a perfect build to be helpful in damnation?

[wild flax]

built in devils claw pokerz from discarded devil claws

[wise trout]

Look at it this way. When you are split in half, you'll bleed regardless of if it was a cleaver, or a chunk of blunt hurt.

[teal quail]

😂

[untold mulch]

Nah, just stay alive and do a decent job

Which is an impossible task for half the PUGs these weeks

[wild flax]

so true honestly

[gusty bison]

Try the opposite lmao

U can run a crappy grey build and still be useful in damn

If u know what ur doing

[dusty sluice]

dammit hadron

[brisk oxide]

OOOOF

that sucks dude

[dusty sluice]

this bricked or anything i can do?

[untold mulch]

Stamina for Mutant? and ngl, I guess you can make any of the blessings work

[stable socket]

speedload for dumdum and stamina for maniac? idk, hit&run isn't ideal for dps but it's sometimes useful

[brisk oxide]

yeah that's what i would do

[brisk oxide]

hit and run isn't terrible

[untold mulch]

Nice

WHERE IS MY KARKING HELLGUN FATSHARK

[brisk oxide]

where is that head on the left from?

[haughty pond]

of course they won't add this into game

[terse idol]

Giving me some Jhin'Ro vibes

We can dreeeam

[haughty pond]

not mine

so dunno

[untold mulch]

I mean, Catfish teased it a month ago

or you mean the armor?

[muted knot]

Oh yes

[haughty pond]

the scions one?

[serene sage]

It's time. Change both blessings and embrace deadshot Columnus

[haughty pond]

or am I missing something

[dusty sluice]

i kinda like hit and run tbh

[untold mulch]

The Hotshot

[dusty sluice]

whats the best brauto for hordeclear?

[serene sage]

That works too

[haughty pond]

oh the weapon

[serene sage]

Honestly? Shredder

[haughty pond]

I thou8ght about outfit

[serene sage]

[strange sparrow]

[haughty pond]

but the weapon sure would be nice

[untold mulch]

Yeah, the Scion we know the helmet is in the code

[serene sage]

I genuinely think shredder is best autogun for horde

And not anything else

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

(im going insane)

[serene sage]

Look, they asked for best horde clear

I'm just saying how it is

[brisk oxide]

shredder just doesn't do anything

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire Calvacade/Blaze Away shredder will mow through hordes

[brisk oxide]

the columnus invalidates too many other weapons atm

[serene sage]

I'm not saying it's good against other targets

[untold mulch]

I am surviving with the agri Brauto

[terse idol]

I mean its probably okay

[untold mulch]

Learning that it shoots through Ogryns was

[terse idol]

Thats it

Better than recon

[untold mulch]

[terse idol]

We are rapidly approaching the meta issue of

X weapon isn't better or on par with the best weapon in the game
garbage time.

Columnus is getting nerfed... I can feel it

Count yer days

[untold mulch]

Recon takes another nerf

it suffers for our sins

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is too strong. better nerf recon again

[terse idol]

Gonna handle it

[rain badger]

Pinning fire nerf absolutely gutted shredder and bolter. To the point where they are extra work to use. Bolter just cucks you when you hit a dreg shooters arm. Like what’s the point.

[terse idol]

Gotta get yer recon stonks

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I only have recon stinks

[crude fiber]

eventually theyll nerf it to the point people will use it as a joke and itll become popular again

[rain badger]

I think plasma is in a good place. Autoguns need ergonomic buffs. Brautos need an actual good brace

Shotguns need some love too. I got so many freaking ghost hits today.

[terse idol]

Plasma is waaayy over performing

Wdym

[untold mulch]

Plasma is too spammy in my opinion

Autogun ergonomic feels good?

Agree with brautos

[terse idol]

It does what the bolter and revolver does but better

Maybe they'll nerf the left click, force us to use right click more

[crude fiber]

"according to our analytics theres still 4 people using recon lasguns so we increased their recoil and reduced theire fire rate"

[rain badger]

Plasma is great until you over heat, and it’s not exactly a good anti shooter gun

[terse idol]

I mean

[rain badger]

Revolver > Bolter

[terse idol]

Kinda?

[untold mulch]

Look, considering how shit they have been for the entire game lifespan

Is not a joke

[terse idol]

Like literally the ideal gameplay is to spam the pgun

[tiny summit]

Plasma is definitely overtuned with all the things working together. It's ammo economy with scavenger, it working against bulwarks and crushers, insane value on its cleave. Like I run helbore because it's satisfying but if I were to say which weapon is the no brainer weapon to bring? It's plasma. Answers like all your problems

[terse idol]

Blaze it and gets hot want you to do so

[rain badger]

Bolter is sad, shot guns are kinda sad. Autoguns are more work, but fun

[terse idol]

And this is why I advocate for 80% TR for 9 shots

[untold mulch]

Plasma needs a bonk in a way that still feels like a fuck off energy weapon

[crude fiber]

i do think they should rework how venting works for plasma, always cooling 1/5 of the current heat is silly when your at less then max heat

[terse idol]

Imo it needs to focus on right click

[rain badger]

Plasma needs to ignite everything on fire in a cone around it

[terse idol]

Risk vs reward

Left click is just super safe

Can't blow up

[untold mulch]

Yeah overcharge is so inneficient

painfully so

[terse idol]

And you do more damage by left click faster than 1 charged shot

[rain badger]

I spam plasma with gets hot and blaze away, I hope for crits lmao. But if I’m clear and see something big at range I’ll charge it.

[cedar pecan]

I am cursed to never get the "Gets hot" blessing and it hurts

[terse idol]

Its the problem that like yeah no you're good

Its just the silly part if you just spam it 3 times with your left click you'll have killed it before you finish the charge

Honestly I feel like just unbinding right click when playing pgun

[serene bough]

havent touched plasma since they buffed it

[rain badger]

Meh, I think plasma and the heating/cooling mechanic help

🅱️lasma is güd

[serene bough]

i have an affinity for underrepresented/underperforming weapons

[rain badger]

[terse idol]

The yooou

[rain badger]

Was a plasma main before the buff lmao. Hitting dreg shooters in the arm

[terse idol]

Gotta do recon

And shredder

And infantry lasguns

[serene bough]

ok i said underperforming not utter garbage weapons

[untold mulch]

Recon and Smoke

[serene bough]

i do like infantry las

[untold mulch]

Infantry lasguns I want to use them

but their damage vs maulers + the jumpy recoil

Like I get a fucking heavy autogun to stay on target more easily

[serene bough]

i dont mind the recoil honestly

you usually only need 1-2 taps to the head depending on the las/build

[untold mulch]

I get so many hitreg issues with headshots

[serene bough]

not sure if i do of if i just havent noticed it

[strange sparrow]

I dont think you would get hitreg issues with Darktide thou

[terse idol]

This is kinda why I like the MXII more

[untold mulch]

I get them, constnatly

Even melee hits

Hit an enemy

[terse idol]

I find I get shots on target easily

[untold mulch]

noise plays, animation acts like a hit

[serene bough]

MG1a outshines the MGXII currently

[untold mulch]

enemy doesn't react and no damage

[terse idol]

I knoow

The controlled fire rate helps me out

[tiny summit]

I like all the infantry las and I spam as fast as possible with all of them. I think the recoil is fine

[untold mulch]

Then is a me thing

[tiny summit]

Only thing that hurts my shots is not running suppression immunity

[serene bough]

you dont always need to utilize the full rate of fire, there's times when I full monkeymode spam my MG4 and others where I control my shots

better to slow down slightly if it means you land more headshots

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn't say there isn't because there might be actual hit reg but I believe that Darktide as an FPS game won't have HitReg due to they process most of the data on your end

[terse idol]

Like sometimes but, I had more hit reg issues early on

I gotta get ya to record it to see

[untold mulch]

I think the game processes way too much data on the server side

That or something is terribly wrong because sometimes I can't even swap weapons when the game gets silly

[strange sparrow]

Nah, FPS game don't process a lot of data on server side

that's why wallhack exist

[terse idol]

There was noticble hit right issues, I haven't noticed many more as of late doe

[strange sparrow]

everything is on your PC

[low oar]

Um hit reg is a thing in all games. Hit registration. Knowing what you did actually hit. There is a ton of serverside processing to validate and make sure all clients know you scored a hit and did damage legally

[untold mulch]

BF2042

Be like

[low oar]

Wall hacks are an esp where the things in your game and already loaded are just shown to you. Something like a kill aura of tons of illegal hits is sending a ton of illegal data to a server that you did this

Wall hacks are way different and have nothing to do with hit reg and faking it

[strange sparrow]

That's the thing, you are already feedback these resources to begin, why would FS need to have Anti-Cheat to validate legal hit reg

actually they disabled anti-cheat isn't it also

[untold mulch]

I get them often enough to be noticiable with automatic weapons

[strange sparrow]

Or EasyAntiCheat is still a thing with FS? I doubt so right

[low oar]

It's a thing

And cheater forums says it's in use to prevent people from spawning in premium currency

There's most definitely a solution to prevent a kill aura in the game

Wall hacks is entirely different since you have all of the enemies loaded to RAM, and you just need a modification to show them

[rain badger]

buying cosmetics in DT

[low oar]

I needed to do my hagrid cosplay

They monetized my cosplay

[muted knot]

Try stopping me

[serene bough]

aside from the currency gained from the imperial edition, i think i only spent money on a weapon skin or two

this was before the weapon customization mod became a thing

[brisk oxide]

plasma kind of is too strong

[rain badger]

Nah

[muted knot]

Hot takes coming in today

[low oar]

I think I've set up all of my cosmetics for all 4 classes, so I'm done mucking around

[slate sleet]

🥱

[low oar]

Uncharged shots are overtuned

[rain badger]

If plasma was so strong, I’d see it every match. I actually couldn’t tell you the last time I saw a plasma

It’s not as good as what shredder was before nerf

[merry gale]

it's not as good

it's better

[untold mulch]

I see it often enough, though because I get annoyed at Plasma users "stealing" my kills

I was already shooting at it

[low oar]

Plasma is incredibly brain dead to just uncharge spam and delete anything taggable in the game

[rain badger]

Yes

[low oar]

I stopped using it since it's just way too effective and boring of a method to kill every taggable

[rain badger]

I use it to be effective in hi int damn

[strange sparrow]

Then I wouldn't know why I never experiences significant Hit Reg issue even playing on High Ping Server (NA while on APAC)

Maybe Im just lucky

[low oar]

Packet loss is different from ping

[slate sleet]

plasma is not too strong because <anecdotal evidence>

[low oar]

I have a fatshark forums thread about plasma needing a nerf

[muted knot]

Plasma is too strong because <anecdotal evidence>

[strange sparrow]

I mean Latency does have a contribution to Packet Loss no?

[low oar]

"it's a plasma gun in lore. It's supposed to be strong"

[slate sleet]

i wonder what the next crutch will be when they nerf plasma and col5

[muted knot]

Whatever gets unreasonably buffed

[low oar]

Partially, but interpolation usually fixes minor issues from latency. It's when you just keep losing packets and interpolation is working overtime is when a massive issue occurs

[muted knot]

Not pretend like we don't know the cycle

[low oar]

Smoke grenades and the recons

[serene sage]

are we playing the same game? it's like more than half the vets I see

[muted knot]

Ahahaha

[brisk oxide]

i'd like to see guns get buffed rather than nerfed

[low oar]

I think it's like 25% tbh, but those 25% just make the game boring

[strange sparrow]

I dont see much Vets on APAC on Auric with Plasma too

Most of them are on Zealot Knife

[low oar]

I've never seen a plasma vet not hit top damage

[obtuse raft]

We can do both.

[strange sparrow]

I actually did saw a lot of plasma vet not hit top damage, but that's because im using Col5

[low oar]

Constant buffing creates powercreep issues

[minor thorn]

30*3+ 100% almost (*3 means 30level done three time)

[serene sage]

nearly every single of my last 20 something games, I top damage

[minor thorn]

The mod users know what I mean :- )

30* 3

[obtuse raft]

Forgive my boomer posting but every PvE game community clamors for pure power creep constantly, it's just not sustainable

[strange sparrow]

303 true level on vets or 3 - 30 level character

[rain badger]

Yes. I played like 6 matches today. No plasma. Have over 700hrs and been playing since release. Plasma has never been as prominent as shredder

[muted knot]

I don't have a clue what the fuck you just said

[low oar]

Just do what the clusterfuck of payday 2 did and just having to keep adding shit and jumping bigger sharks

[strange sparrow]

Same

[brisk oxide]

sure but we have more bad guns than we do good ones

[minor thorn]

there is indicator that says how much time you passed lvl 30

[untold mulch]

How does one check for packet loss?

[brisk oxide]

but yeah we need both

[low oar]

There's like 3, the recons

[serene sage]

well I have more than 600 as well, I notice a lot of plamas, because I make sure I outdamage them to make a point as a bolt user

[brisk oxide]

shotguns need a lot of help

[low oar]

Not sure where I can even get network stats

[serene sage]

and yes, I play exclusively Auric T5

[muted knot]

You mean true level but how is that relevant to the conversation?

[low oar]

Shotguns are fine except the lawbringer imo. Kant is really good because infinite pierce

[rain badger]

How do you suffer using bolter?

[untold mulch]

Is fine

[brisk oxide]

imo shotguns don't do any damage

[serene sage]

can't say, top damage nearly every game

i don't suffer, i like the gun

[muted knot]

They feel a bit underpowerered to me too

[hollow ibex]

????

[minor thorn]

If you do not read my whole message do not comment. I was telling about plasma gun users that users use it more often than 50%. And i was replying to other person not you.

[hollow ibex]

besides lawbringer, shotguns are great

[strange sparrow]

Probably never gonna play Plasma, simply because it would get nerfed

[minor thorn]

Just did not do it as human in 1 sentence 😦

[strange sparrow]

Why grind something that would get butchered

[serene sage]

I wouldn't say they do no damage, rather they need help from the talent tree for min maxing, which means they are balanced

[strange sparrow]

in the most FS way

[brisk oxide]

sorry it's called hyperbole, they do piss-poor damage

[low oar]

Nerfs aren't really guaranteed to just turn something into unusable

[serene sage]

the same way Bolter, Vraks, or some other guns do

[hollow ibex]

sounds like a build issue

[low oar]

People cried that assail nerfs would make psyker useless

[white minnow]

i wouldn't expect it to be as popular as patch 12 shredder/bolter/etc. since a lot more weapons are fine nowadays

[brisk oxide]

it's not

[strange sparrow]

Historical FS nerf has not been kind

[serene sage]

people are used to revolver and plasma killing everything at base

[untold mulch]

I mean with Fatshark........

[brisk oxide]

show me a shotgun build that does >10k dps to a boss

[serene sage]

they think weapons that needs talent to be good are "bad"

[low oar]

There were plenty of nerfs that happened where the end result was still fine

[slate sleet]

shotguns are not meant to kill bosses

might be a wild concept

[terse idol]

Wait we're not going back to the whole vermintide 2 discussion

[low oar]

No one thinks the voidstrike nerfs made it unusable

[untold mulch]

Lies

[brisk oxide]

show me one that does 10k to a crusher, or a rager then

[terse idol]

FS balances how they want the game to be

[serene sage]

I one shot reapers with mine

[strange sparrow]

Yeah starting from Recon Las

[serene sage]

is that enough?

[low lava]

Dual Daggers ate shit but are still good

[strange sparrow]

Straight into garbage bin

[terse idol]

Recon Las was weird

[low oar]

Agri hits pretty hard when I was spamming into a BoN

[terse idol]

🥹

[strange sparrow]

[rain badger]

Kant shotty with fullbore and stagger. Press F into boss weak point

[untold mulch]

"We made the Recon so bad as a joke"

[slate sleet]

uuuh show me a weapon that does eveyrthing like the revolver and plasma BRO ill wait

why even open your pie hole

[strange sparrow]

Man totally did not make Auto Shredder Pistol become Garbage

[brisk oxide]

plasma kinda dumpsters the revolver though

[strange sparrow]

Totally usable to a certain extend if you try hard enough

[serene sage]

so many hot takes today

[hollow ibex]

"shotgun is worse than plasma, therefore shotgun sucks"

[low oar]

Smokes should become meta

[slate sleet]

i fucking hate metaslaves talking about weapon balance

[hollow ibex]

replace smokes with white phosphorus and then we'll talk 😏

[strange sparrow]

Tbh I enjoy Hellbore more than other weapon now because its funny

it's a spear with a gun under it

[low oar]

Shock trooper is dumb and needs to be reworked

[junior haven]

You'll get over it.

[brisk oxide]

this but unironically

[slate sleet]

they need to nerf all the op shit and add difficulty 6 already

[brisk oxide]

also it's worse than like all of the autoguns

[junior haven]

Would that make you happy?

[serene sage]

diff 6 would be ridiculous tbh, it's like giving up on powercreep problem

[trim steppe]

Buff everything including the op shit and add difficulty 7

[serene sage]

id rahter they keep things the same and balance a little
the game is like 90% balanced anyway

[strange sparrow]

I mean VT2 have like 3 modded difficulty ontop of it and still people can play it comfortably

[low oar]

I think patch 13 introduced a ton of powercreep, and everything needs to be toned down a little

[slate sleet]

the game is a laughably easy

[serene sage]

I wouldn't mind the director go a little more crazy though, but just me

[strange sparrow]

Nah The Director are just dumb at the moment

[low oar]

Stop. The sound engine can't handle it already

[slate sleet]

i purposely take bad weapons into auric mael and still get 700k dmg

[serene sage]

okay those are bugs

we swat bugs

[strange sparrow]

I mean was it really a bug that director decided to spawn 16 mutants

[serene sage]

but like I genuine enjoy rager conga line

[low lava]

Doesn't matter how hard the game gets when smite still exists

[serene sage]

it's funny

[low oar]

Also, crusher packs right now are a joke. I don't think sending more would just make the game harder

[serene sage]

and if you are good you kill them in one go anyway

[slate sleet]

smite would be solved by making difficulty 6 have only green enemies

[serene sage]

great serotonin releaser too

[slate sleet]

who dont get staggered

[terse idol]

Mutant packs are pretty funny though

[strange sparrow]

Green Enemies > Smite

[low oar]

Who would win? 6 massively armoured ogryns that can shrug off small arms fire or some crackhead in tattered rags with a book?

[terse idol]

They save me a few times

[slate sleet]

green enemies are the ultimate filter imo, you actually need to block

[junior haven]

Depends if those ogryn are stealth experts.

[terse idol]

Also whenever they come in, it reminds me of those WWE cage matches

[strange sparrow]

Weapon are kinda strong at the moment but it's fun to play nowadays

It's laughable easy but you could just not be op i guess

[serene sage]

quickly on shot gun

[low oar]

Everything is too strong, and there's way too much CC trivializing melee elites

[strange sparrow]

just bring an underpowered weapon

[serene sage]

agri is fun

[strange sparrow]

VoC 30 Seconds + 6 Seconds CD reduction (Per Special Kill) do be trivializing enemy rn

[serene sage]

and you do a lot of damage, except to Carapace
i know slug rounds exists but TTK is horrid

[terse idol]

WIt that does mean

We gotta nerf

[hollow ibex]

does ok against carapace too tbh

[low oar]

Agri with fullbore and no respite is a fun combo. Slugs proc full bore to do ridiculous follow-up

[serene sage]

im talking in term of TTK on Carapace

[low oar]

Yeah shotguns were never good at carapace

[strange sparrow]

On the other hand, Was nerfing really needed?

[serene sage]

it's not great, probably the biggest problem with it
that and the atrocious fall off past 20m

[low oar]

Imagine if each pellet from a shotgun applied a stack of rending for that one talent

[terse idol]

Sweet jesus no

[serene sage]

@strange sparrow @low oar my god i can't distinguish you two
get a pfp, or something

[serene bough]

the shotgun marks are a scam

[terse idol]

I mean many of the nerfs targeted the kickback

[slate sleet]

kantrael has like 3 different builds you can do and they are all amazing

on auric mael

[low oar]

It's funnier this way. Plus, I don't have the default pfp

[terse idol]

And its still one of if not the best shotgun in the game

[serene bough]

the kantrael fire shotgun can kill things in very similar ranges to the other two shotguns, sans the slug shot

[slate sleet]

i really dont understand how you can say shotguns are weak

[strange sparrow]

Nah man

Also Blessings System fuck the game quite badly imo

Why grind for something suboptimal

[trim steppe]

I never understand people who play for hundreds of hours, become really good at the game, then say "TOO EASY FIX IT" and demand a bunch of weird changes. Like, you did it, you beat it, enjoy your mastery or go play something else. Plenty of people with 50 hours in the game still struggling to play damnation or a maelstrom

[low oar]

In case it gets buffed later. And people like collecting stuff

[serene sage]

the argument is that they are indeed weaker than plasma and revolver
but the same people who make those arguments also don't think plasma and revolver are OP

and bam, you have a pointless discussion

[strange sparrow]

Yea but you could be playing 400-600 hours and still not collect every blessing

[trim steppe]

Like the gameplay is actually the thing FS did right, I want them to focus on fixing all the other dumb shit like crafting and that it takes 15 minutes to load the mourningstar (aka the menu)

[strange sparrow]

which kinda suck ngl

[muted knot]

Holy shit vetchat is going into crazy arguments mode

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[strange sparrow]

and those blessing are too subject to changes which mean you may need to grind some other blessing in the future

[trim steppe]

Can confirm, at ~700 hours and still missing 20 T4s

[low oar]

Yeah and eventually you realize "wow, I should not be winning this and I'm only winning because I have X op gun"
Like, it's a video game with difficulties. You're expected to lose from time to time, and you shouldn't be handed a participation win on the highest difficulties

[raw steppe]

to be fair, all of these problems stem from ammo aura

[strange sparrow]

I mean you could always just nerf yourself by bringing a non-meta gun if you really feel that way

[low oar]

I am also having massive arguments on the forums about removing the ammo aura 🙂

[terse idol]

Kinda true

[strange sparrow]

Not like I completed an auric mael without talent because I feel like it

[terse idol]

[terse idol]

Yes the game isn't balanced for yoou

[raw steppe]

theoretically the weapons are supposed to have different levels of power, with some balanced around the fact that they need to deal with ammo sustain

[slate sleet]

power sword, plasma, col5 and the revolver should be removed from the game for a patch

[raw steppe]

for example, plasma, and ogryn weapons

[slate sleet]

id love to see the reactions

[terse idol]

Like those folks doing sol auric maelstrom the devs don't balance for that play style

[raw steppe]

but because ammo aura exists, the imbalance comes in

[slate sleet]

game would get review bombed immediately by toasters

[low oar]

Power sword isn't overpowering anymore

[low oar]

The first round of power sword nerfs had review bombs back in like patch 8 or some shit

[muted knot]

Powersword downside is that it's fucking cancer to use

[raw steppe]

because all of a sudden, the weapons that are supposed to be limited by ammo consumptions suddenly aren't..

[strange sparrow]

More like I play it that way just to show you don't really need the best gear best build best everything to win

[terse idol]

That's okay

[serene sage]

I see it the opposite tbh, Plasma and Revolver will be OP regardless of Survivalist

[low oar]

Tbh, I don't like the power sword since it's so clunky and slow

[terse idol]

I Mena the game isn't balanced for that

That's the truth

You van challenge yourself

[serene sage]

Survivalist helps the lower tier guns to be competitive by simply being able to shoot more

to make up for their damage

[terse idol]

Doesn't mean that makes a difference in the grand scheme of balance

[strange sparrow]

And Balancing is also a subjective manner depend on the "balancing team"

[serene sage]

Plasma and Revolver can simply give up Surv because they already have enough

[untold flame]

recommended blessings on the infantry lasguns?

[raw steppe]

revolver needs a magazine nerf, probably from 57 to like 44 or something

[serene sage]

then that's a gun issue not aura issue

[strange sparrow]

Because sometime the community gaslight themselves so badly that the said piece equipment stop being used

[muted knot]

That's quite a big drum lol

[strange sparrow]

as said with Assail

[low oar]

My thoughts on it
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/survivalist-is-unhealthy-for-the-game/90179?u=vintagenuke

[serene sage]

Surv is a problem, but it helps lower tier guns more, which is actually a good thing

[pliant heron]

imagine 40k and no fucking speedloader literly a piece of metal with holes in it

[strange sparrow]

Also Veteran chat always talkin about balance but they dont realize most of their talent is making a gun better

[terse idol]

Well yeah

I mean

[muted knot]

Shocker

[terse idol]

What do you mean

[muted knot]

Soldier class makes guns better

Never could have seen it coming

[low oar]

Survivalist is an issue because it forces vets to run it, and to have a vet with it on your team if you actually want to play a ranged class like gunlugger or gun psyker

And other issues

[terse idol]

Like, the game is balanced around figuring out strong combinations of guns

[strange sparrow]

Other Class shared those weapon and they don't get equivalent talent point to make those guns better

[terse idol]

Plenty of us are adept at playing the game

[slate sleet]

cant wait for survivalist to get nerfed so the shit guns that underperform have ammo issues and become totally unsusable while the braindead 1 shot 1 kill weapons like plasma and revolver dont care at all because you are too ammo efficient + ammo pickups still exist

[terse idol]

Because

They use the same blessings

Zealot revolver

[low oar]

Survivalist should just wholly be removed

[terse idol]

Hand Canon surgical

[keen wolf]

What's good about the new assault chainsword?

[strange sparrow]

Wait wait wait wait

[serene sage]

thanks. same argument im trying to say

[low oar]

Brain dead horde clear with m1 spam

[strange sparrow]

Before you move to this, Revolver have no other good blessing thou

[vernal harbor]

Y’all don’t have sets that you can just swap in the lobby to spread out the vet buffs??

[terse idol]

No good blessings?

[strange sparrow]

Yea like you could just use hand cannon and other 5 is pretty non-existent

[terse idol]

I mean agrinapinna has cruccian roulette but sure

[low oar]

Survivalist should be removed and replaced with +15% weakspot damage

[terse idol]

I'm also certain columnus has many choices

[terse idol]

But people will pick Dum dum death spitter

[muted knot]

@low oar I feel like this is a lost fight here man

[raw steppe]

I think letting it keep its identity of giving people who want to shoot a lot more ammo is fine.
Something like
On elite kill, everyone gets 1% ammo -> On weakspot elite kill, the killer gets 1% ammo
I think would greatly fix the game-warping nature while still giving people ammo if they wanna play their vets that way

[low oar]

I like raking fire shenanigans

[raw steppe]

just the problem of it applying all the time to everybody

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[strange sparrow]

Also that's because other blessings doesn't provide much

[terse idol]

Ghost isn't bad

[strange sparrow]

Some blessings are straight up better than other

[low oar]

Problem is when those people who want to shoot guns a lot aren't playing vet, and now you need an emotional support vet or rebalance the ammo economy

[terse idol]

Ranged immunity kinda slaps

[strange sparrow]

like it's just a design flaw

[untold mulch]

Please no more "on weakspot" bs

[serene sage]

honestly, not a bad idea

[white minnow]

we can just buff ammo pickups on maps once we kill survivalist

[untold mulch]

that or fucking finally make a gunner line for vet

[raw steppe]

on weakspot is great

punishes noobs who can't aim

[low oar]

Pretty much what I want.
Remove survivalist and give more map ammo

[terse idol]

Then what do you mean all vets know is how to eat hot cheeto and min max weapons

[raw steppe]

i love how ppl still think marksman focus is bad

cuz they "can't move"

but if you get headshots it doesn't matter if you move

[terse idol]

They focus too hard on can't move

[muted knot]

I dread the time when fs adds a new tree to anything

[strange sparrow]

and the most consistent way to get headshot is high RPM weapon

which is aaaaa

[terse idol]

And miss >headshots give 3 seconds of no stack loss

[white minnow]

and i think the finesse bonus is underestimated

sure, it's calculated in a shitty way

[slate sleet]

its a shit keystone that is simply worse compared to mark target

[strange sparrow]

that buff headshot damage and reload speed

[white minnow]

but +75% both ways is pretty good

[strange sparrow]

which is like why I really want it

[untold mulch]

Just, I want to shoot and all those effects for weakspot hit/kills are annopying af to me

[serene sage]

I mean tbh just take camo and stop worrying

[low oar]

The ridiculous damage on a hellbore with surgical makes really good use of it tbh

[serene sage]

i think the left tree is just boring which is its biggest sin

[strange sparrow]

The issue with MF is, is it a good keystone? probably not because it buff Headshot Finesse Damage and reload Speed per stack

[serene sage]

it's just hit heads

that's it

[terse idol]

It has a niche

[serene sage]

hit head better

[terse idol]

Kill all enemy gunners

[slate sleet]

never forget what they took from us.......

[terse idol]

Keep alive while killing all gunners

[muted knot]

I see you man, give it a extra tree that lets you use heavy weapons like hellguns, rocketlaunchers, heavy stubbers, heavy flamers

[low oar]

Some people just want to play cod tbf

[white minnow]

it's both weakspot and crit damage, so there will be some weapons that will disproportionately benefit from it

[muted knot]

That kind of thing

[serene sage]

middle at least have some damage, the support line, the grenade line

right has melee, hybrid, stealth, and whatever they are tying with the smoke

[low oar]

I've been having more fun with right tree shenanigans

[strange sparrow]

Hitting head doesn't matter, when other nodes does funnier things

[untold mulch]

Exactly, like yeah get rewarded for the aim

But I wish for a line/tree for the ones that pull the trigger until they die

[terse idol]

Like, marksmens focus is like the one keystone that can literally sit there overwatching 9 gunners and shoot them while gaining back toughness

[serene sage]

left tree is just, damage if you aim

congrats

most boring stuff

[white minnow]

it's a simple and basic keystone, but that's fine

[strange sparrow]

Middle tree just, damage anyways

[terse idol]

Middle tree is meme but good

Because uh

[low oar]

Some people want to play the guardsman sharpshooter roleplay

[terse idol]

Its under voc

[crisp oak]

Middle tree is yelling

[raw steppe]

tbh i think finesse designwise is fucked lol

[crisp oak]

Agressively

[slate sleet]

ok cool but what about the pack of pipe guys that just dropped down on your face

[low oar]

Middle tree is the best one wdym

[terse idol]

Uh

[white minnow]

top 10 most scuffed things in the game

[terse idol]

Melee ghem?

[raw steppe]

they should've kept crit d and weakspot separate

[terse idol]

I dunno chief

[raw steppe]

tying them together makes it

[low oar]

Kraks, confirmed target, VoC, focus fire

[white minnow]

one of the more annoying things is that weapons tend to have the same crit/weakspot multipliers

[terse idol]

Its not supposed to do everything for you

[raw steppe]

so you can't make either of them good ENOUGH on their own

but both combined is overtuned

[terse idol]

Like sorry for being snarky

[strange sparrow]

The only thing bad about middle tree is just FireTeam

5% damage is funny

[terse idol]

But the keystone designed

[slate sleet]

its a shit keystone that punishes you for playing the game the way it was intended

[raw steppe]

so you end up with stuff that just demolishes on crit weakspot

[terse idol]

To kill gunners

[serene sage]

maybe add on a niche enviromental damage talent, or something
cause sharpshooter themetically should be aware of surroudings, how to balance that, idk
i think too many talents on that line is just "hit heads"

[raw steppe]

but crit by itself

[strange sparrow]

considering there's so much way to get damage somewhere

[raw steppe]

and weakspot by itself

[terse idol]

Means you also have to melee sometimes?

[raw steppe]

is pretty meh

[terse idol]

[low oar]

There's no auras besides survivalist in the game. Any rumors about others are straight wrong

[terse idol]

????

[white minnow]

you can just move if you get a bunch of ragers dumped onto you

[terse idol]

Uh

Hard disagree

[strange sparrow]

So True

[white minnow]

it's not like you have to keep stacks up all the time

[terse idol]

You gain stacks

So fast

By just playing it like you play exec stance

You just gain more

[low oar]

It's a damage bonus. You don't lose damage from baseline not having stacks

[terse idol]

From marksmans focus and exec

[strange sparrow]

Ok but the effect of the stacks doesn't really give much

[slate sleet]

the moment you stop moving is when the director decides its time for the grenade guys to start throwing perfectly arced grenades over stuff you cant see to force you to move

[terse idol]

Because you gain toughness back

[terse idol]

You dont need to stop moving

[strange sparrow]

Because it's a finesse headshot damage thing

[terse idol]

[strange sparrow]

rather than I do more damage overall thing

[terse idol]

You gain stacks faster from hitting heads

[white minnow]

it's both weakspot and crit damage

[terse idol]

Than you lose them from moving

[slate sleet]

ok so play perfectly and its good

[strange sparrow]

but but sir, I already do a lot of damage hitting head

[slate sleet]

got it

[strange sparrow]

Now do more

[terse idol]

No?

What the fuck

[serene sage]

I use markman focus shotgun with deadshot, I usually maintain like 7 or 8 stacks consistently

[terse idol]

Dude

Calm down

[idle swallow]

Actually stopping to gain marksman stacks is cringe, just run and hit headshots like a real gamer

[serene sage]

that's a lot of values

[low oar]

Tbh, I use the passive generation thing on marksmen for when I have a monster coming in

[serene sage]

even if not at full stacks

[terse idol]

You dont have to sit perfectly still

[slate sleet]

you are pretending like i have not used it

[white minnow]

yeah it's nice to remove the on-kill condition of marksman

[strange sparrow]

But it's overdamage if you take stuff that you expecting MF to do isn't it

[terse idol]

You play exec stance with the talent to kill gunners to increase your cooldown

You get headshots

[slate sleet]

i have used it alot, with different builds

[terse idol]

To maintain the duration

[white minnow]

i mean it depends on the weapon

[strange sparrow]

Like I wanna go left tree with Exec Stances because I took a V7 or hellbore

[slate sleet]

its just a frustrating way to play

[terse idol]

Its the same way with focus target

Its just crazy

[low oar]

I just find on-kill conditions to be worse for me, and I generally don't like anything that's on-kill

[stable socket]

they should make moving decrease stacks at the same rate that standing still generates them, instead of dropping all stacks

[white minnow]

and you could say the same for any other damage bonus

[terse idol]

How you'll drop it because of the one line >can't move

You can move

[white minnow]

i run the columnus IAG with it and get a very appreciable bonus from marksman

[terse idol]

Your focus is long range sniping

And getting head shots

[low oar]

You'd literally would have full stacks all the time

[terse idol]

Head shots on a Las build is perfectly reasonable

[idle swallow]

You do lose stacks less quickly walking compared to sprinting

[slate sleet]

long range sniping does not work on high intensity maps, you will have endless chaff on your ass

[strange sparrow]

My thing with Columnus IAG is spreading out to 3 tree is better than getting 1 keystone

[rain badger]

playing Agrippa shotgun.
Shoot a guy in the head point blank
doesnt register

[terse idol]

I mean thats fine

[white minnow]

you don't need to be at long range to make use of marksman

[terse idol]

Sometimes when you move you find screens of shooters

[serene bough]

it doesnt drop all stacks when you move, the problem is you'll lose a stack from changing movement options instead of steadily decaying

[strange sparrow]

which I don't really like it

[terse idol]

And that's what the build is best at

[slate sleet]

so unless you want to throw frags under yourself constantly or use stealth / shout it wont work

[terse idol]

I dunno man

[slate sleet]

you cant realistically combine exe stance and marksmans focus

[serene sage]

okay what if stacks don't fall off if you move
but if you shoot non-weakspots, you lose stacks
you retain stacks on weakspots hits
standing still recharges your stacks

[terse idol]

You've kinda resigned yourself to failure

[slate sleet]

you will simply not get the chance to actually shoot at stuff

[low oar]

Hahaha when no enemies nearby perks

[terse idol]

Exec stance plays exactly how you play normally

Focus target enhances exec

[slate sleet]

there is always going to be a pipe squad right behind you the moment you zoom in

[strange sparrow]

Psyker and Zealot need to take their KeyStone but Veteran get the chances to not take their keystone because their keystone is redundant

[slate sleet]

its just how the game is designed

[strange sparrow]

Hot take but it's true

[terse idol]

Uh

Its just not not ot

[white minnow]

you are exaggerating backspawns

[low oar]

Vet doesn't need their keystones which is a fine design

[white minnow]

is it really that common of a problem for you to get jumped constantly

because that really does sound like a you problem

[raw steppe]

hmm on a5 histg i get plenty of opportunities to stand still and shoot stuff lol

[terse idol]

You're assuming that the game literally spawns enemies into your back whenever you scope which, I will admit there are alot of enemies but you're not meant to be staring down your scope forever

[strange sparrow]

I disagree to certain extend because Im expecting vet to have more specialisation with their build

[slate sleet]

i dont get jumped, i just cant do my job because shit is always running after me

[terse idol]

It works when it finds the situation to

Then clear ot

[raw steppe]

sometimes you gotta melee and sometimes you need to slide while shooting

[slate sleet]

if you do well specials will specifically target you

[terse idol]

Then do your job

[strange sparrow]

Like I want to larp as a sniper, that's great I larp as sniper

[serene sage]

I think Catch a Breath and Killzone are both good

[strange sparrow]

go left tree all the way

[white minnow]

good thing i have marksman for better DPS against specials

[raw steppe]

now this is just straight bullshit lol

[low oar]

There's plenty already, and a core theme of veteran is being a guardsman so you know, guns

[strange sparrow]

maybe take a bit of stuff to take mid

[terse idol]

That's great because your build is meant to take out gunners, shotgunners, snipers bombers flamers

[raw steppe]

specials most of the time target based on proximity

[serene sage]

In fact, Catch a Breath > Get back in the fight

[crisp oak]

Anyone tried out a grenadier build?

If so what would better, krak or frags

[strange sparrow]

I mean Veteran right now is pretty generic especially weapon choices and how some perks are better than keystone

[slate sleet]

educate yourself

[hollow ibex]

frags always frags