veteran-class

[slow spade]

I use Pasqal instead

[swift ingot]

Based Abelard

[spice gate]

Abelard takes me as the guy who will use a chainsword and a chainaxe while having a knife between his teeth. I love him

[swift ingot]

Cass is probably my second favorite

[spice gate]

Angry man!

[swift ingot]

She’s a great character and a god damn menace if you build her right

[spice gate]

I like her design! It’s so well done

[swift ingot]

I also like her romance

[spice gate]

Him and Yriel must get along swimmingly

[spice gate]

I’ve heard it’s phenomenal

[slow spade]

I like that Pasqal is like secretly seetheing at every tech-heresy committed

[swift ingot]

Never got the chance because I shot her knife eared ass

[slow spade]

never really liked Cass

she feels weak

I think Cassia needs a buff personally

[spice gate]

“Xenos machine spirits ?! ON MY SHIP?!”

[spice gate]

The Ordo xenos approves

[slow spade]

I bet if I wasn't around, Pasqal would probably have tried to kill like half the companions

[swift ingot]

The other companions I always bring are Pasqal, Argenta and Ulfar

Before Ulfar I always brought Heinrix

[spice gate]

More than likely!
I wonder if he sees you and he’s like “hey bestie!”

[swift ingot]

It really is

But you can mess it up, mainly if you come on too strong

[spice gate]

What’s that cold traders name again? It’s funny how she really likes argenta

[slow spade]

a shame she's a navigator, there's no way a romance with her will go well

[slow spade]

Jae

poor Jae

[floral sun]

jae literally wants to be executed by every companion for differing reasons

[slow spade]

unironically I own Jae so much shit

[spice gate]

Better have an early honeymoon

[slow spade]

she gave me one of the strongest snipers in the game and I'm a sniper rogue trader

[swift ingot]

I had a buddy who romanced her and ||she broadcasts the two of you fucking over the intercoms||

[spice gate]

She knows what you like!

[spice gate]

Abelard has a funny reaction to that.

[swift ingot]

Yeah

Here it is

[slow spade]

you're alright in my books Jae 💪

[swift ingot]

You’d be surprised

[slow spade]

navigators absorb the warp energy

[tranquil bronze]

And the blessings were perfect too...

[slow spade]

there's no way she's vibing

[slow spade]

to be fair, Stopping Power is the most important stat

so its usable in my books

[swift ingot]

At first I wanted to romance Argenta but was really let down when I learned that she wasn’t romance able

[tranquil bronze]

I'll probably just wait again...

[slow spade]

ikr

[slow spade]

one of her quirks is that she loves children lol

[slow spade]

pain

[swift ingot]

But then I quickly got over it when I met cass, great character and an absolute monster with the correct setup

[spice gate]

Don’t forget the

POOOOOWER

[tranquil bronze]

I'm tempted to buy that XII because of the perfect blessings... but the stat spread is just bad

[swift ingot]

This funny fella is always here to brighten my day

Just asserting his dominance

[slow spade]

Cassia is hilarious in boss fights

boss appears -> Cassia: "lol, lmao even"

[tiny summit]

Missing about 20 dmg. Hey at least you'll have DA4

[swift ingot]

Yeah, I haven’t minmaxed nearly as much as you have but she is indispensable

[tranquil bronze]

I'll just wait for tomorrow again

[slow spade]

? this is literally her starting staff

she comes out of the box doing this lol

[spice gate]

Give him all the awards.
All of them

[swift ingot]

It was very nice to see him after I finished chapter 3

[spice gate]

He’s the best servitor in all the land!

[swift ingot]

Well I’m a moron and built her completely wrong for 1 and a half chapters

Had to respec her

[slow spade]

rip

[swift ingot]

Atm I’m just exploring all of the systems before I continue forward with chapter 4

[slow spade]

same, I'm getting the Owlcat experience exploring the galaxy

explore random planet -> see nothing unusual -> get into combat

"one handed" Owlcat PLS

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[serene bough]

Damn you vet chat

Discussing Rogue Trader

[slow spade]

all Vets are rogue traders

[serene bough]

Inviting the possibility for spoilers

[serene sage]

would you rather talk about fucking pokemons?

[slow spade]

don't you have your Warrant of Trade?

[serene bough]

..
Wat

[swift ingot]

Also I remember coming across this and I was very mad, because game was just wasting my time

[serene bough]

I would most certainly not want to discuss that Fox

[slow spade]

don't worry comrade, I'm trying to hide the sus stuff

[slate sleet]

bruh

[swift ingot]

Same

[slate sleet]

spoilers

[slow spade]

funny moment

[swift ingot]

I was pissed bro

[serene sage]

by who?

[slow spade]

yeah its so annoying when enemies get "funny" mechanics to skip your turn

just randomly gets to skip your turn like bro what

[swift ingot]

Totally spoilers

[serene sage]

me when the enemies use the same mechanic i do

[slow spade]

the problem is they skip your turn in the middle of your turn

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[serene sage]

i mean idk

i dont play the game

[slow spade]

so I'll be vibing then suddenly "IT IS NOW KILLGORE SLAYMAIM'S TURN"

[serene sage]

Vibe check

[swift ingot]

And they have ||2k wounds with that dumb ass mechanic and that I posted above||

[slow spade]

the only counter to "skip turn" enemies is just straight up instant killing them sadly

they skip your turn even in death lol

but it instantly returns back to your turn

[swift ingot]

Good thing a lot of the characters that were getting attacked by it were dodge tanking practically the entire fight

[slow spade]

indeed, it seems dodge is the most reliable defense stat

as AOE attacks are hitscan but can be dodged

plasma cannon? just dodge lmao

[swift ingot]

My Lord Captain with 128 dodge

[slow spade]

indeed, its hilarious

[swift ingot]

Sry I meant 148 dodge

[slow spade]

I think one of the first items you can get gives up to +60% dodge lol

[placid portal]

Then it's a fair fight

[modest sapphire]

get? from melk

[slow spade]

you're banking on the Orange upgrade being good

[swift ingot]

I also picked up a perk that increases my crit chance by 7% of my dodge, which works out to around a 10% increase to my crit chance

[slow spade]

if its not, its ok but replacable

[slow spade]

sadly crit chance perks are kind of bad

because "any hit chance above 100% converts into crit"

[swift ingot]

My hit chance is 95% most of the time anyways

[slow spade]

indeed

I usually hover around 170% crit chance lol

but I play a Forge World char

so I have like 20% base crit

Forge World is such a meme

[swift ingot]

I made an imperial world Commissar officer

It’s been a lot of fun

[slow spade]

ah Imperial World is pretty good though its a bit funky

as you can't have multiple of the same class

or you lose out on the strongest buff

Owlcat pls

[swift ingot]

Yeah and with cass insta locked into my party too

[slow spade]

rip

well it still gives decent buffs

[swift ingot]

Yeah I’ve been managing just fine

[slow spade]

indeed, Rogue Trader isn't hard enough to warrant true min maxing anyways

[swift ingot]

Next playthrough I’ll probably play the exact same character but change my home world

And also just not make dumbass mistakes

[slow spade]

if you're going for Operator, Forge World is such a meme

[swift ingot]

There have been times where I’ve stayed up too late to function on normal so on like one or 2 fights I’ve swapped the difficulty to story so I could finish a fight then go to bed

[slow spade]

"every hit on the enemy gives +10% hit chance and +10% dodge reduction, doubles on crit" -> stares at rapid fire Heavy Stubber

[slow spade]

if you really want to win

if you stat buff the officer enough, this becomes a damage buff

Arch-Militant moment: "all attacks will always do maximum damage"

[swift ingot]

The other problem with me staying up later than I should is just not reading dialogue as thoroughly

I need to stop staying up

[slow spade]

lol same

"can't be reduced below % for ANY reason"

sorry that your -50 damage taken and 256% damage resist was completely ignored. Skill issue 💅 💅 💅

[swift ingot]

Anyways I’ve had fun talking about rouge trader but I’m going to get back to playing it

[slow spade]

see ya comrade c:

[swift ingot]

Later

[slow spade]

don't die c:

[slow spade]

bruh

[umbral scaffold]

[slow spade]

where are these shovels when I roll for them

[pale smelt]

The Dark Gods have finally blessed me with Power Cycler 4 on MK IV power sword. What blessing do I take with it?

[slow spade]

Brutal Momentum (aim for head lol) or Slaughterer imo

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum or sunder

Also it’s mk6, not mk4

[slow spade]

update your game 😎

also shredder pistol is meta again

[umbral scaffold]

DARK GODS???1

[slow spade]

MKIV power sword -> cannot block when charging, 1 cleave, and slows when charging UwU

[umbral scaffold]

i got a mk3

[crude fiber]

Was there an update today? Or do you have some revolutionary build that makes it good

[umbral scaffold]

idk if its the same as a m4

[slow spade]

no sadly

in fact, I'm launching a hotfix to nerf shredder pistol right now

[swift narwhal]

is this a keeper?

[crude fiber]

I discovered yesterday that even with +flak/maniac and a melee build you still don't 1 shot either rager so I'd personally run carapace and maniac or unyielding. Maniac still helps 1 shot mutants

[umbral scaffold]

oh no i dont even use it

[tall torrent]

It’s usable but not great

[crude fiber]

Thank god, I better never see someone using it again

[swift narwhal]

ah i eat it then for a blessing

[umbral scaffold]

when the talentree rework happened i tried it and it wasnt even 1 shotting pox walkers

[tall torrent]

Headtaker 3

[umbral scaffold]

so xd

[sweet whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864337022705336320/1192627766428971049/image.png

a real shame about that damage stat

[crude fiber]

Head taker and unyielding are good and it's base stats aren't awful so if you want to try it out go for it. I think that one has the hardest to use movement tho

[zinc sundial]

I need help making a crazy build

My boltgun one isnt working very well against the twins

Any suggestions?

[limber egret]

hey so is this good right?

the stab doesnt feel much of a problem byt what about rest of the stats?

[zinc sundial]

Ngl thats a very good roll

Id say godlike

[limber egret]

oh so its atleast good

would you say flak be betetr perk then unyielding?

[umbral scaffold]

https://medal.tv/pt/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ibddSMd_mHLxT/Tt77Otcq42eQ?invite=cr-MSxRbm8sMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

Certified plasma moment

where embed

[old quail]

gone.

[umbral scaffold]

I will cause murder

[agile mango]

buy?

[quick steeple]

no

[umbral scaffold]

Good stats, but maybe not the perks you'd want to have

I'd buy it because I run the funny crit stuff, but ideally you'd want flak and maniac

[quick steeple]

you'd actually want cara/elite + unyield on this imo, combo can kill everything lower already/charged sweeps with cycler; the above makes it a 1combo on crusher / boss decimater

[floral sun]

decent but missing power cycler. until you get power cycler 4 best to skip power swords imo

[flat pumice]

is this usable?

[azure wasp]

Is there a guide for whats stats are preferred rolls/dump stats for each weapon? There's an Ogryn guide (Ogrynomicon) that had priority stats for melee and ranged but I can't find something similar for vet weaps.

[agile mango]

ty

[floral sun]

Nothing comprehensive, but when you inspect the weapon you can see what the modifier values affect and can make your conclusions there.

Generally damage and damage to armor above all for every weapon

[tranquil bronze]

So is this a yay or a nay?

[floral sun]

buy to pull DA t4 but nah seems like a dud

[tranquil bronze]

I already have DA T4

Dammit

[floral sun]

the magnifying icon means you need the blessing

[tranquil bronze]

Oh... right... DA T3

That's the one I have

But that's still a hefty amount of coins

[floral sun]

t4 blessings are very rare to roll, it feels like

da is a pretty mediocre one tbh

[tranquil bronze]

I think I'll just hold for now then

[tall torrent]

Blessings don’t share between weapon families

[tranquil bronze]

For the kantrael las... they do

[tall torrent]

That’s the same weapon family

[tranquil bronze]

Oh I misunderstood. But I primarily use the Kanstrael las.

[floral sun]

blessings are shared between weapon marks of the same... denomination? like infantry, helbore, recon...

[tall torrent]

I refer to them as weapon families

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + deadly accurate is a good amount of extra dps if you can click heads, but it kind of depends on the exact variant you’re using

[tranquil bronze]

I like to use all three

[midnight mortar]

I'd extract DA4 if you don't have it.

[floral sun]

rolled this mg12... on my ZEALOT ffs FS

[coarse lake]

is this workable?

[tall torrent]

It’s usable but that’s about it

Specialist dmg almost never matters
Crit dmg is quite bad (especially on a gun with no reliable way to crit)
Fire frenzy is alright
Speedload is meh imo

[coarse lake]

so FF / add DS4 + roll Cr >Flak?

[tall torrent]

If you rly want to play with braced autoguns and have nothing better, just keep using this until u find better (and when u do, harvest either of the two blessings)

[bitter turtle]

You need to check what bps you can hit

For perks

I roll flak unarmored on mine for critless oneshots on all gunners

Unyielding is

Eh? Its OK I guess

[tranquil bronze]

Is Brunt's Armory even worth using anymore?

[south vessel]

any of y'all been having a bug lately where you click to push, but the game doesn't actually push? got me a couple of extra poxbursters to the face

[keen wharf]

i swear this game is the only game ive ever played that has like... a 75% chance of loading out of a mission and 25% chance of just infinite loading or taking forever.

[tall torrent]

If you have a lot of high-tier blessings collected for a specific weapon family and you have a lot of dockets & plasteel lying around, you can spend on armory

[keen wharf]

also, i actually have SpeedLoader on a Braced gun its quite nice because it gets you back shooting when you're in a bit of a pickle.

[south vessel]

I use the 'Buy Until Rating' mod to buy ~10 weapons at a time, it'll auto sell any that are below a chosen threshold (367 for me) and stop above another threshold (370)

[tiny summit]

I thought about installing that but all my helbores with 80 dmg, 70 stopping power minimum have been like below 360

[south vessel]

Yeah, it's less useful if you don't care at all about dump stat(s)

You can still get it to autobuy and not autodiscard though

[cinder oar]

if i take raking fire off of my graia infantry auto can i put it on my coumnus?

[south vessel]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Same weapon family uses the same blessings

[cinder oar]

I thought so, thanks

[south vessel]

Kinda wish weapons tracked how many kills they had that you could see on inventory inspect

I want to see how many thousands of heretics my axe has decapitated

[zinc sundial]

Is there any way i can do more against the twins, i feel so tiny and weak

[south vessel]

take a chain weapon for the shields... or just Columnus which also melts them

[deep fable]

power sword aim heads

[zinc sundial]

I was making a columnus

My power sword just isnt cutting it ngl

[south vessel]

this thing absolutely murders them

chain weapons are super good against shields too if you have a decent one

I can't remember the modifier values, but they have the highest, and the special attack just rips

[dire olive]

My contribution to my hard mode win was just loading up big BOI revolver and removing all maulers/ragers

[zinc sundial]

Bolter cam do thst

[south vessel]

plus if you change melee weapon you can probably keep your build intact, chain isn't so different from psword

[zinc sundial]

Which chain should i use

[dire olive]

Haha, this man thinks bolter is currently better, laugh at him

You can't be fumbling around with slow equips in that fight

[zinc sundial]

Am i behind on the times

[dire olive]

Yes the revolver is ridiculous right now

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean the bolter has veen behind for a while

[zinc sundial]

Tragic

[terse idol]

Like

It's okay

If that's what got you concerned

Its not top tier

Its alright

[zinc sundial]

So you think i can just replace bg with revolver

Do*

[south vessel]

buy a grey one of both from Brunt and try in the arena

[zinc sundial]

Boltgun ia very good on bosses

[south vessel]

looks like new one has better attack patterns maybe? (I'm an axe user on vet, eviscerator comes out on zealot)

[dire olive]

One of the Chainaxes is definitely what you want for just damage

Sword will clear trash quicker though

[terse idol]

It certainly still is

Like ahh

I think bolter has a niche still, you can safely replace it if you want but certainly keep the bolter

[dire olive]

It's still decent for most regular missions

[zinc sundial]

My bolter ia godly

Im not tossing it

I use it on damn and ir works

[dire olive]

It's not "bad"

Just "alright"

[south vessel]

"cumbersome" would be my descriptor

perhaps "overly cumbersome"

[dire olive]

Just for twins you absolutely do not want cumbersome

[deep fable]

i see zealots running bolter often to delete crushers which are the class' biggest weakness

[dire olive]

Plasma or revolver I'd go with

[deep fable]

i thought it was just me doing that

[zinc sundial]

Thats my issue rn

[south vessel]

how does bleed work on bosses with shields?

does it still apply underneath, or just nothing until they have no shield

[dire olive]

Revolver worked best for me but it absolutely needs reload talents for Karnak fight

[zinc sundial]

I have reload on my bg

I think ill try chain with columnus

Or chain with rev

Or chain with bg

[south vessel]

Oh, Focus Target keystone is great for that fight ofc

[zinc sundial]

Whats a prime columnus

[south vessel]

p much this as far as I'm concerned

it has really high maniac damage natively, so you don't need it as a perk

though I wouldn't toss one that had it ofc

[junior needle]

Damage to types is actually more efficient on guns that are already good against that type, since you get a higher boost than you would otherwise.

[tranquil bronze]

Huh... this looks promising

What I like about the Kantrael lasguns is that ammo isn't an issue

[junior needle]

Going from say, 8 shots to kill to 5 is a big difference

[south vessel]

Of course, but after use I don't feel it's a necessary improvement

[zinc sundial]

Whats a groll chainsword

For blessings and all

[south vessel]

Rampage

[zinc sundial]

Got it

What else

[south vessel]

Probably Savage Sweep, or Shred for a crit build

[tranquil bronze]

So result of consecrate. Gonna change that blessing to DA... but what about the perks. Which do I keep?

[zinc sundial]

Got it

[elfin talon]

I've been running power sword

[zinc sundial]

Same but its going bad against twins with it

Whats good bleaaing for columnus

[elfin talon]

Wouldn't say no to more cleave targets on my current one tho

[south vessel]

Dumdum #1, and then Fire Frenzy or Deathspitter

[zinc sundial]

Alright

Thank you

[tranquil bronze]

Between ranged critical hit damage to damage to groaners and poxwalkers... which is more likely to be kept since I plan on swapping out the blessing?

[elfin talon]

Groaners maybe

[raw steppe]

Afaik perks are more important

For that gun

So i would swap out both perks

[elfin talon]

I don't really even have a build I just use perks for health and toughness lol

[spark helm]

If you want to risk it, finish the consecration to see what you get for the blessing. I'd argue that at bare minimum, consider swapping your crit perk if something nice for your blessing shows up just on its own.

[spark helm]

Depending on the blessing, definitely swap out both perks.

[limber egret]

oh deer the stab on this

[junior needle]

For blessings you want wrath and rampage if you want a hordeclear focus on both models. Savage sweep is surprisingly a trap because you need to use heavies to proc it (and rampage) due to lights not piercing enough bruisers.

Despite the description rampage gives power now. I also don't recommend a crit setup on vet, personally.

[tranquil bronze]

So for infantry lasguns, perks are more important?

[zinc sundial]

I have rampage 4 rn

[junior needle]

The gun is severely overtuned, technically any improvement on it is unncessary. Some things will give more value than others though.

[zinc sundial]

On an alright roll

[spark helm]

Personally done well with snatching up maniac for one of them. I'd argue the next perk is sort of in the air since I don't pay enough attention to breakpoints since that weapon is going to strong at killing whats already vulnerable to it: ranged units, non-carapace elites and (with very consistent aim) weakspots on monstrosities. Most of your damage from then on is going to be coming from your talent choices.

I've had maniac specialist and it feels fine. Though with flak, you cover much more ground on units you'll be firing at

Never tried it with vs elites so I got nothing there.

[junior needle]

It also helps to tell what model you're using, as there's often key differences between them. You can get around needing wrath by using heavies to proc rampage but that's tedious when you're in the shit and I recommend a setup that just works.

It's harder to proc it using heavies on the xiiig chainsword

[spark helm]

If you get something like deadly accurate or uh, can't remember rn the one that's increases crit till you crit.

[junior needle]

headhunter

[spark helm]

With the fire rate and ammo capacity and reserves, you'll be shooting crits enough for you to not necessarily need to invest in crit.

And thanks @junior needle

[junior needle]

[raw steppe]

90% of the time perks are gonna do more. The only time you prio blessings is when the weapon has a super broken blessing such as BM or PC or dumdum or uncanny

[junior needle]

Going ghost for deadshot/dnd shenanigans is also an option for maximum critfishing

[quasi jasper]

Hey all, I haven't been on in many months. Excited to start playing again.
But uh, I'm afraid people are going to need to carry me for a lot of the new stuff. Would you say that's true?

[spark helm]

Ghost is really nice if you like to challenge shooters frequently. It can be risky but you can pop their heads fast enough.

[junior needle]

Immunity to ranged fire provided you can click heads is quite a good boost to survivability

[junior needle]

Priority is dumdum (its bugged and works differently than its description, way better than it looks)>flak/maniac perks>second blessing

[spark helm]

At that point, you're relying much more on your judgement and ability than what the weapon and your other setups can do.

If you haven't already, consider a melee and grenade option to diversify your threat management for carapace units.

I'm almost never this person but playing strictly without those tools will put more stress on you to create different opportunities. At times you won't be able to compensate and will need to struggle a bit to stabilize a situation if you're not familiar enough with that stress.

[jolly hemlock]

why you can just play the difficulty that fits you lol

[zinc sundial]

Thank you

[raw linden]

What melee weapon should I pair with helbore? I rarely ever use it.

[quasi jasper]

Oh. I thought all the newer stuff was a set difficulty

[junior needle]

Helbores can handle every hard target and the 1/2 function as excellent melee weapons provided you use certain gimmicks.

[jolly hemlock]

nope we still got the old system pick your poison and your not a liability for the team

[junior needle]

So whatever helps you survive the best

[quasi jasper]

awesome. soon as my nvidia driver finishes updating I'm back in. Thanks!

[spark helm]

@tranquil bronze hopefully my messages won't get lost too much.

In short, consider what you really want to focus on addressing with the lasgun then consid3r other weapon choices and talents to fill those gaps that that gun won't be able to manage as well.

[tall torrent]

any melee weapon that can use brutal momentum, preferably combat axe since they can handle mostly every enemy in the game while having decent dodges and very good horde clear

[jolly hemlock]

enjoy

[raw linden]

Because brutal momentum works on the helbore knife?

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum applies to all melee attacks u do

works for not just veteran's helbore bayonet, but ogryn's weapons as well

[raw linden]

I have power sword with the blessing, guess ill use that,ty

[spark helm]

Oh. Ohhhh.

That's why the bayonet fucks.

[signal pier]

lads what can i do to perfect this

[spark helm]

If you got power cycler 3 or 4 slap it on there.

[slender turtle]

Slaughter to power cycler+2 and Stam to maniac or flak? Ig

[signal pier]

ye thinking the same

[spark helm]

Then I guess...idk. uh yeah maniac swap for stam

[elfin talon]

Is it good to slap on carapace and flak damage on a weapon?

[spark helm]

Not much else you can do and if you need to you can just level power cycler

[slender turtle]

Have some bonus damage to dogs

[junior needle]

Don't think it needs unarmored to hit one shot breakpoints

Stam might be more useful but you never know what'll happen to swords down the line

[spark helm]

Maybe for breakneck downtime on the next charge

[junior needle]

But that assumes you actually block

[spark helm]

That's where my head is at.

[raw steppe]

Cara and stam imo

[umbral scaffold]

It’ll kill them deader with +25% unarmored damage

[raw steppe]

Unarmored doesnt do anything

[slender turtle]

it's about sending a message

[spark helm]

It's nice when you just can't Rev kinda

[umbral scaffold]

It’ll kill them deader

[spark helm]

But I'm usually just obsessed with adding another vs dmg thing if I don't have room for anything else.

But unarmoured is only for normal goons right?

[signal pier]

does breakpoints on light spam without powerup

[signal pier]

snipers,1 shotgunner,1 gunner

and a bit more

[spark helm]

Mhm.

[south vessel]

It depends on the weapon and its use case - will it help you reach a break point (e.g. killing something in 1 shot not 2). Flak + Maniac are the most common ones you want.

[slender turtle]

In a pinch, yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Groaners up to dregs and some scabs like snipers

[strange sparrow]

There's a lot of mobs with unarmored (Headshot most of the time)

[slender turtle]

Making your wet noodle hit harder

[signal pier]

imma keep unamored kills 4 targets and does 90% of the fifth in 1 light attack without power up

[strange sparrow]

Gunner and Shotgunner are Unarmored (in le head)

[elfin talon]

I'm using mainly recon lasgun right now

[hearty panther]

@short vapor that helbore draw reload cancel trick does work

i am so thrilled about this

[short vapor]

What are you using to cancel it?

[hearty panther]

sprint

[strange sparrow]

huh?

Elaborate

[short vapor]

Oh I mean that's just normal sprint cancelling

A staple of Plasma Gun

[hearty panther]

yea but you can cancel the draw

with a reload

and then cancel the reload

you just ready it instantly

[short vapor]

mhm

[hearty panther]

love it

[umbral scaffold]

I tried recon I guess it’s not that bad but it’s somehow worse with ammo than IAGs even with shocktrooper, dumdum and high damage

[strange sparrow]

Do anyone managed to figure this out

Also

[short vapor]

It's the only reason I've ever touched Plasma. If I had to reload that whole thing I'd drop it in a second

[elfin talon]

I used mainly Mk VIIa

[short vapor]

Same with the pullout but it's not too bad.

[elfin talon]

Slowest fire rate fatter damage

[umbral scaffold]

Yes and since it has a slower fire rate shocktrooper triggers more often

[elfin talon]

Shock trooper?

[umbral scaffold]

Talent for vet that triggers no ammo consumption for every crit on las weapons

[elfin talon]

Oh guess I don't have that on

[umbral scaffold]

They nerfed it recently after patch 13 but it made recon meta for a short period

[elfin talon]

I have perks to keep me alive since my teams are usually smooth brain randoms

[junior needle]

without powerup

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo conservation is a pretty good trait to stay alive

If I ever run las weapons it’s for ammo efficiency

[elfin talon]

When I switched to Mk2 I immediately noticed it didn't hit as hard

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah you never run low on ammo with lasguns

[junior needle]

All the recons are unfortunately dumpster tier right now, due to very lacking base stats. I recommend using another gun line until they get substantial buffs. Also shock trooper refunds ammo on every crit UNLESS there is a crit string involved, which recons have (if barely). Then it only refunds on the first crit in a string.

[elfin talon]

I don't do high level stuff so doesn't really matter for me

Since it's kinda just me

[junior needle]

The performance gap remains the same regardless of difficulty, even if it's less noticeable.

Just letting you know before you invest heavily into them.

They are quite subpar atm.

[terse idol]

Its because shock trooper has an internal cooldown

It won't give you back ammo on every crit the recon lays

[junior needle]

It doesn't appear to be an icd so much as a specific interaction with strings.

[elfin talon]

I use recon cause it feels good and I like automatics

[spring rose]

All the power to ya

[terse idol]

Dats good

[elfin talon]

I used kantrael for a while but meh

Never really like semi auto

[spring rose]

Really fucks up yo fingers

That gun

Unless autoclicker

[junior needle]

There are various means of autofiring weapons, either through mods or third party programs (that are explicitly allowed bt fatshark). There's also a mod that can replace weapon shot visuals/sounds with lasers.

[elfin talon]

I'm also always struggling for ordos

[spring rose]

Just play more and spend less

[terse idol]

Gotta make 3 curios

With + ordos

For that ordo grind

[spring rose]

Unless you're the God's strongest gambler and wanna keep gambling because 99% of gamblers quit before they win big

True

[elfin talon]

I don't really go past uprising

[terse idol]

Then!

+ordos is your best bet

But you should give high diffs a try

[spring rose]

^

[junior needle]

Ordos increase as you go into higher difficulties.

[spring rose]

They give out fat stacks

[terse idol]

The only way you learn more of the game is to just trryy

[elfin talon]

I tried but randos screw me up every time

[spring rose]

Regular damnnation ain't as bad as you think

[terse idol]

Thats okay

You'll find an okay party

[spring rose]

Check strike teams in this discord

[junior needle]

If you're only playing the first (?) difficulty you'll barely be getting any resources comparatively

[elfin talon]

That's why I joined here so I can maybe find groups

[spring rose]

Teams I've played with in this discord they all competent fr (at least with my experience)

I don't do quickplay(playing with randoms) anymore

[elfin talon]

I do it cause bonuses to ordos

[spring rose]

Ah I mean play with randos, I don't do that stuff no more

Quick play is great for getting the gambling tokens

[elfin talon]

Maybe if I haven't spent most of fashion

[terse idol]

That's fiiine

I mean, ywah just hit up lfr

You'll find some folks willing to 'elp

[elfin talon]

Got my vet and psyker looking spiffy at least lol

[spring rose]

Yeah early level drip sucks ass

Go for some achievements that'll get you some cool cosmetics! Or cough up some real cash at the cash store...

[elfin talon]

I grabbed stuff for 195k

It was like the only good looking stuff I could reach

[raw linden]

Okay, so helbore mk2 is kind of a beast. I rarely go below 500ish ammo reserve, and the melee is so good. Absolute maniac killer.

And my team can just take all the ammo

[quasi jetty]

I rocked that for awhile, and it was aight.

[torpid sundial]

I did not know that and that sucks

[golden nacelle]

which perk would ya'll switch, and to what?

[raw linden]

I have maniacs , ranged weak spot damage. Id maybe change ranged weakspot for crit if I could. But already have 2 mods.

[tranquil bronze]

Final consecration. What do you think needs swapped out?

[golden nacelle]

ditch stamina or infested?

[torpid sundial]

goraners/poxwalkers and opening salvo 🤔

[golden nacelle]

yeah, opening salvo is better on the XII

but, I'd also prefer deadly accurate and headhunter

for blessings

[limber egret]

really annoying but is this good?

[tranquil bronze]

Sadly can't have everything

[golden nacelle]

well... not on that gun at least

[tiny summit]

Unless you really value that 1.5 stam for sprinting, I would swap stam. Does that mk2 charge shot 1 shot a dog? I like to put maniac on my helbores. I'm not too concerns about 1 tapping dreg gunners all the time as it's just a tap shot to follow up

[golden nacelle]

it's pretty good for a boltgun

[limber egret]

im thinking of replacing pinning fire with surgical and sprint efficency with unyielding(i have a boss destroyer build for my veteran taht uses the bolter for it

[golden nacelle]

I like surgical a lot for boltguns

it's really fun to play

[limber egret]

also i have this

is callateral not being that high atleast not bad?

[tiny summit]

I'm a recent mk2 enjoyer. I like that I don't need onslaught on it with its charge.

[golden nacelle]

I wouldnt necessarily say it's good though... but, boltguns aren't that strong right now anyways

[stable socket]

i just queued with this vet who was charging the plasma gun for everything... poor lad

we still somehow made it to the end though so all's well that ends well

[raw linden]

I have only ever had onslaught on it, so I wouldnt know the difference. But hey, if it works, that makes the gun even more cool. Now I just gotta wait for a krieg outfit to come into rotation...

[tiny summit]

My mk2 atm has Surgical and Falter. Funny seeing maulers getting stun locked

[tranquil bronze]

Wow this popped up in the store

[umbral scaffold]

im happy with how good this lasgun is, even with middling stopping power its still really good with headshots

[limber egret]

also i do have this

what im currently using

[tiny summit]

I have so many very good stat line XIIs but I just haven't bothered rolling

[limber egret]

and was thinking of trying to get another one with tier 4 shattering impact

which i did but bad perks sadly(both of them)

is this bolter tho im currently using good?

[umbral scaffold]

playing normal maelstrom damnation for the added difficulty factor of under level 30s joining

auric dorks couldnt comprehend

[whole solstice]

what autogun other than the columnus was the good one again

I forget

as an individual who exclusively uses columnus

[junior needle]

Depends on the autogun type

both graia and agri IAG perform well

[floral sun]

agripinaa infantry and vraks headhundter

[junior needle]

There's multiple vraks in the HH line

Both are good though

[floral sun]

crap. the mk 9 high dmg one i think

[tiny summit]

Running the heresy and damn maelstroms in regular play because sometimes they pay out better than the aurics

[junior needle]

Agri is the 9 I think, it's the least good out of the HH's last I checked

[tranquil bronze]

Why am I seeing so many players attacking daemonhosts?

[junior needle]

I assume because they're new and don't know that they're both optional and give you literally nothing for killing

[patent swift]

I've done it a few times with the boltgun area stagger. Really fucking annoying

[quartz sapphire]

Where is the volley fire on the tree skill?

[tranquil bronze]

If only the game allows us to upgrade weapon stats...

[terse idol]

Maybe one day 😭

[terse idol]

Isn't it just the downgraded version of executioners stance

Called

Volley fire

[low oar]

It's before you take an ability

By default you have the old abilities from before patch 13

[quartz sapphire]

I see, as coudn't find it on the tree

As trying to do that penance

[terse idol]

It'll tell ya on the exec stance yuhh

[terse idol]

And yeah it'll still work

[quartz sapphire]

Do I have to do the killing myself or can my team do so too?

[low oar]

Suffer not the daemon to live

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-girl-sliding-into-your-d-ms-like-sliding-into-d-ms-into-your-d-ms-like-roller-skate-gif-5454418

avg crusher over head be like

[terse idol]

Only you

[torn root]

the random penance completion on auric is crazy

never talking shit about smite psyker again lmao, easiest run of my life

[umbral scaffold]

holy gz man

[torn root]

less time played as vet, but more progression

[tiny summit]

Some of my chillest auric damns have been 3 vets and a smite psyker

[torn root]

triple vet is funny ngl

[tiny summit]

All 3 different vets too

[torn root]

don't think ive had a run like that in auric yet

[umbral scaffold]

what abt quad vet

and the ui is some how bugged it always shows that my team has 1 bot when it dosent

[torn root]

when people leave fast it reads them as replaced

i've noticed it a few times

[umbral scaffold]

its like my 2nd mission and even on the starting tab it shows 1 bot

[torn root]

oh that might be something else then

[umbral scaffold]

ye

like it shows 1 boit no matter what

i thought i was tripping when i saw ERIK in my team but on my Ui it showed a dead bot waiting to rescued

darktide mirages lol

what auric histg dose to a vet main xd

[torn root]

unlimited bullet works

[umbral scaffold]

on colum 5 but on plasma im starving for ammo after like 5 mins

[tiny summit]

Obviously they got got at the end

[umbral scaffold]

colum 5 with knife is the spec for a speed freak them dodges with colum be nasty

[torn root]

lmao!

deserved

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/brazil-youre-going-to-brazil-your-going-to-brazil-ur-going-to-brazil-gif-17868304

[torn root]

somehow deserved

[umbral scaffold]

they are vet so yeah

deserved

[torn root]

the more i play the class the more i think it low key might be the safest pick

[umbral scaffold]

wym vet is trash

[torn root]

.>

[umbral scaffold]

[tiny summit]

I want to say there should be a "all made it" bonus but also the finales aren't intense enough 9.9/10 times where it's just expected

[torn root]

the cap is heavy

[umbral scaffold]

[torn root]

this ain't drg

[tiny summit]

Vet is trash, so I can get more buffs

[umbral scaffold]

waiter! waiter! more plasma buffs please!

[tiny summit]

Fatshark! Ppl keep saying MF is bad, so obviously buff it!

[torn root]

Vet=Trash with the safest Ability + talent combo

[tiny summit]

Oh and a tree that has lil to no path restrictions

[torn root]

what you mean

i can only go down the left side

XD

[tiny summit]

Exe for life

[torn root]

VoC

but i focus left other than that

[umbral scaffold]

tbh seeing the other class trees especially the psyker one give me a stroke

[torn root]

maybe its a lie actually

[umbral scaffold]

shit tangled

[torn root]

Removed some nodes when i realized i didnt need them for the 2 tap crusher kills

[lofty lintel]

Psyke-😴

[umbral scaffold]

O-

[lofty lintel]

🛌

[umbral scaffold]

last run i had 2 lightning psykers bro half of atomas electricity was stunlocking hoards of crushers maulers and ragers

[umbral scaffold]

wait holdon no confirmed kill?

[torn root]

Don't need confirmed kill

toughness stays high just from Exhilerating Takedown

[umbral scaffold]

u got a shieldgryn friend or sum?

[torn root]

no?

its columnus

just shoot at head height into a crowd

can go from 1 toughness back to max easy

[umbral scaffold]

mmph thats one way to do it

[tiny summit]

ET does work on any target

[torn root]

and its toughness DR

which was the main reason i took it

3x ET +IW is frigin dumb

[umbral scaffold]

close order drills good aswell

[woven geode]

this trash?

[torn root]

do you have a better one?

if not hold on to that

even with the trash finesse

Super Charger or Brutal Momentum are my recommendations, or change unarmoured to something else

[woven geode]

What do I replace slaughterer with

[umbral scaffold]

is it better to keep unyielding or switch to maniac or flak

[torn root]

Super Charger/Brutal Momentum

[tiny summit]

This my columnus VoC atm

[torn root]

rending chaned columnus damage drastically

like actually

[woven geode]

Thanks

[tiny summit]

I'll keep it in mind when I can start playing again. On a job trip and forgot my laptop's power brick

[umbral scaffold]

sad to hear

the heretics need a few rounds in the head tbh

morrow could use ya

wth dose finesse do again

[torn root]

rending gap, makes the mag kill like 2 extra crushers

[finite imp]

Damn there's like a whole new group of vets in here now

[lofty lintel]

Burnout

[finite imp]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

i herd asmon

is that u asmongold?

[finite imp]

Like dust in the wind.

[lofty lintel]

True

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/grimace-clint-eastwood-gran-torino-yuck-eww-gif-4412827

[lofty lintel]

I come in here still to help out and discuss

My game knowledge is still fresh

Until the next big patch

[bitter turtle]

Muh graia/colu

[wanton dawn]

ANSWER THOSE NOTIF FEMBOY

[finite imp]

This but unironically. I'm old as vets get. Both in age and in playtime.

[bitter turtle]

Those aren't for me

[lofty lintel]

[bitter turtle]

Those are bc I'm at discord server limit

Lul

[lofty lintel]

Im in 10 discord servers

[wanton dawn]

... i believe you

[lofty lintel]

One is me exploiting discords cloud storage

Another is me and friends

Other 8 are videogame servers

[bitter turtle]

Gachage
Modding servers
MMO servers
Friend servers

[umbral scaffold]

yall got more then 1 discord server?

wait

u guys have friends?

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

[bitter turtle]

Wtf I thought I was your friend

Asshole

Blocked

[umbral scaffold]

[vernal harbor]

Where’s the Sex server

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure ppl view me as a vet tchat dweller now

[tranquil bronze]

Guess I'm keeping the Carapace perk

[umbral scaffold]

what have i done

[torn root]

NO YOU DIDN'T!

LMAO

it was him...

[umbral scaffold]

getting ya scamming tips or sum

[lofty lintel]

Asmongold is cool

[umbral scaffold]

u scamming new players out of their plasteel

[lofty lintel]

He seriously needs to clean his room though

[wanton dawn]

Dont we all ?

[umbral scaffold]

brotha was "what if a homeless man was a multi millionaire"

[torn root]

If I could I would ngl

i need it more than they do

[umbral scaffold]

[wanton dawn]

Can you even darktide without a grimdark bedrom ?

[umbral scaffold]

i still need to get dumdum4 for my colum

[lofty lintel]

The thing is, i dont darktide

[torn root]

i dunno why he doesnt just hire someone to do it, he makes money enough to get it tidy

[lofty lintel]

Yeah thats what i think as well

[wanton dawn]

I figure you're more of a dorktide yeah

[umbral scaffold]

the last guy quit

[lofty lintel]

Just lounge in your living room while they do the work

[umbral scaffold]

we dumbtide in this bih

[lofty lintel]

LOL

I cant even get mad at that

Dorktide

[torn root]

reading that makes me think of kevin from ed-edd n' eddy

idk why

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-ed-edd-and-eddy-misedventures-look-at-camera-looking-at-camera-gif-3914430081498281446

[wanton dawn]

The secret is that all my mean comments can be uno reversed

[spice gate]

That show was THE BEST

and now I’m imagining them all as the rejects

[torn root]

i'd like the think that johnny would be the psyker

and plank is his beloved

[spice gate]

That is GENIUS

Ed is an Ogryn of course

[torn root]

eddy is the zealot

couldnt be any other class

except instead of believing in the emperor

its only money

actually im pretty sure money means jack shit in this situation

or even in the universe

[umbral scaffold]

https://twitter.com/OutofContextEEE/status/1411452417015644161

shows edd ed n eddy perfectly

[spice gate]

Perfectly shows them and how they act in a mere 6 seconds

[umbral scaffold]

YES

love em

[gritty dock]

I really like Onslaught. This talent does the job. 👍

[spice gate]

He’ll still take it!

And corpsestatch instead of jawbreakers

[gaunt hinge]

luv me devil claw

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ededdandeddy-gif-9500680

[gaunt hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnLdy6fyqVQ

[umbral scaffold]

pov u have a pebble in ya shoe

[spice gate]

This is why Horus turned to Chaos

[spice gate]

Da big knife!

[umbral scaffold]

normal damnation?

[gaunt hinge]

yea

[umbral scaffold]

[torn root]

ogryns friendly rock?!

[gaunt hinge]

i cant find a competent squad going for hardmode

[torn root]

need help beating it?

helped a dude yesterday

[umbral scaffold]

i did mine on hardmode and took only 2 attemps with randos

[torn root]

its easier than ppl think

[gaunt hinge]

you say that but ive ran a lot and people are dogshit

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[torn root]

less that they are bad and more just that they dont know the mechanic maybe

like randoms are cool enough to read and respect the strats if you type it

[vivid bolt]

tbh yea

discord is amazing for just

storing shit

[torn root]

for Hard Mode Twins tbh just don't ignore the specials/elites

[umbral scaffold]

ah yes plasteel

[torn root]

someone has a stash >.>

[umbral scaffold]

yummy

[torn root]

best episode is still the cereal monster one

lmao

[vivid bolt]

Yes.

[gaunt hinge]

i was tanking rinda just like that one time, constantly draining the shit out of her shields and one of the idiots had the gall to say i needed to focus rodin

[vivid bolt]

tbh ignore people in comms unless its actually useful

[torn root]

technically you can do both, though i dont think i can defend anyone being an asshole to other players, assuming that's what they were doing to you

i think ppl in this game like to just take out their frustrations on others

[patent swift]

The game is so chill. I don't get how people can take it that seriously to be toxic

[torn root]

its the internet

still to this day the only positive community i have been a part of is in DRG

[patent swift]

Rock and Stone bb

[valid bluff]

Working on a Standard Shovel + Fanfire Revolver build, but can't quite decide on how I want to do the bottom of the tree

[torn root]

i need to play more but the season model kills me

[neat stratus]

Which one?

[valid bluff]

feels like there is a lot of strong nodes that I can't decide between

[neat stratus]

Deep Rock or Darktide?

[patent swift]

I don't think you need the 30% reload speed?

[torn root]

still missing like 4 hop ups on DRG

[patent swift]

Darktide

[valid bluff]

I was planning on trying it out just because it seemed like it would feel really nice on it

[vivid bolt]

For the speedload one I wouldnt say you need 30% faster reload

[valid bluff]

But fair

[trim steppe]

Yeah I played a little as well...

[valid bluff]

Think I keep longshot if I'm dropping the reload speed?

[torn root]

0.0

[valid bluff]

I was using weapon specialist before this which is good, was just going to explore other options for a keystoneless tree

[torn root]

just wish its wasn't every 6 months that we get a decent update

[valid bluff]

Maybe close quarter kill zone + base weapon specialist?

[trim steppe]

I enjoyed the seasons but I was just about done by the time they came out

[tranquil bronze]

I got the weapon customization mod... and I'm hooked

[valid bluff]

Just stack up the damage boosts after a shout

sounds kinda funny

[gaunt hinge]

i once tried to use that revolver while being suppressed by a gunner to kill him

couldnt hit shit

[valid bluff]

Also very tempting

man I want too many nodes kek

[patent swift]

Welcome to veteran 😂

[valid bluff]

Maybe I drop grenade tinkerer

it isn't amazing for shredder frags

[gaunt hinge]

my revolver build kind of just focuses on magdumping into elites repeatedly

[torn root]

If the other 2 talents next to For the Emperor weren't so bad i wouldnt have it right now

[gaunt hinge]

took middle keystone

[valid bluff]

The radius is really nice for the shredder frags

but with me being a fairly decently strong melee setup maybe that won't be too much of a loss

[torn root]

this is a lie

shredder frags are legit the only thing it really changes in a meaningful way

[gaunt hinge]

i took kraks for anti crusher bulwark

never picked up tinkerer

[bitter turtle]

Do you really need 🦆 and 🤿

[torn root]

they have deadshot 🙂

its good syn

[bitter turtle]

Ya but it's revolver

[valid bluff]

Stop making the decisions harder

[torn root]

oh

oh no

[stable socket]

what's the best horde clear melee weapon for vet (ideally one whose horde clear combo is just mindlessly spamming lights)? more context: i would like a panic melee weapon that i can just whip out and spam LMB for hordes

[patent swift]

Id use krak over shredder you'll struggle vs bulwark otherwise

[torn root]

bro get rid of it lmao

[bitter turtle]

Not like you really need it

[serene sage]

well I would say smoke, too

[gaunt hinge]

if you run +9 stamina like me then youll never run out of stamina using deadshot

[torn root]

THOSE DONT EXIST

STAHP

[gaunt hinge]

its impossible magdumping the revolver

[serene sage]

are these smoke users in the room with us right now

[valid bluff]

duck and dive?

[vivid bolt]

you'll run out of wounds first tho

[neat stratus]

So here's a question: Shadow of War, or Shadow of Mordor, which is the better game? I think this will only get one of the two as answers but maybe a war will start

[gaunt hinge]

nuh uh

[patent swift]

I still need my 2nd 3 stam curio sadman

[barren cave]

war

[bitter turtle]

🦆 and 🤿

My personal opinion is that it's not necessary

Not that it's wrong

[torn root]

Yeah you don't need duck and dive on revolver, i dont think you are ever gunna run out of stamina with it and deadshot

[gaunt hinge]

look i even have a funny video

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1HSFysE3HKHGFv/d1337EV4o1Dw?invite=cr-MSx1V1UsNjY5MDkzMzMs

[valid bluff]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

But if you need points

[torn root]

doesn't shoot enough bullets to drain the stam you get from weapon specialist

[serene sage]

Shadow of War is very frustrating late game for me

[valid bluff]

-- duck and dive

• Supression immunity
• Grenade Tinkerer

[bitter turtle]

Also

[serene sage]

but I can confirm mordor is easy to run and fun

[bitter turtle]

What's your melee

[serene sage]

there is an end in sight

[bitter turtle]

I can't imagine exploit weakness isnthat helpful

[serene sage]

it's the gunlance

[valid bluff]

I know I had it on this build for some reason, but I can't remember which

[serene sage]

it's a gun, it's a lance

[neat stratus]

For me, Shadow of Mordor is very frustrating at any point where you're fighting more than like, 5 enemies at once but anything less is mind-numbingly easy

[serene sage]

it's a gunlance (plus a shield)

[bitter turtle]

You should grab demo team if you're doing tinkered shredders

[valid bluff]

I'm pretty sure it was helping me with a breaking point

[torn root]

not even for melee?

[bitter turtle]

Too complicated, gs monge forever

[serene sage]

melee attack speed is too low

[bitter turtle]

It only works on melee

[torn root]

play rise i think you will love it there

get to boost around like a rocket

[serene sage]

no I am not a filthy mage

[bitter turtle]

What melee weapon rapidly attacks and crits often enough that it matters

[serene sage]

im a bone fide bruiser main

[bitter turtle]

I think it's dubious even on knife

[neat stratus]

The majority of the difficulty is just dying to bs, like random spears chipping down your health or 7 different captains spawning on top of you

[gaunt hinge]

devil claw

[bitter turtle]

Since knife 3 or 4 shots crushers even without a decked out one

[serene sage]

yeah but it wasn't made to sell MTX

[gaunt hinge]

but yeah i dont take exploit weakness

[bitter turtle]

Do you actually like

Spam lights on a crusher

With dc

[gaunt hinge]

not on my revolver build

[bitter turtle]

I don't use it

[serene sage]

while the other one end game is extremely grindng or honestly kinda boring

[bitter turtle]

Lol

Cause exploit weakness is literally only good for a weapon spamming lights on carapace imo

[valid bluff]

I guess if I'm at the point of not taking exploit weakness, do I just swap it to the toughness node, or do I just drop that whole part of the tree?

[bitter turtle]

I'd just take toughness

[gaunt hinge]

i took exploit weakness when fighting karnak twins

[valid bluff]

I really like the attack speed for the shovel

[bitter turtle]

25 toughness is fine

[serene sage]

exploit is probably only good on knife?

[bitter turtle]

Hardly useless

[serene sage]

but I agree, take toughness over it

[serene sage]

that's like a curio worth of toughness

[neat stratus]

I find Mordor itself to be a grind, you're always pushing to a goal and pretty much nothing is enjoyable since the movement hurts to do often

[serene sage]

bottom line gets neither

support indie devs

there are really good indies out there

[neat stratus]

So I think where we're at is that neither of the games are good and both suck

[barren cave]

nah, nemesis system is absolutely a thing of beauty

[serene sage]

yeah they both have their charm but certain aspects overstayed their welcome and soured the experience

[bitter turtle]

Anteat

Anyway

[barren cave]

shadow of war> assassins creed thats how you start a war

[neat stratus]

The singular good thing in a sea of WHHHYYYYYY

[serene sage]

haha teat

[bitter turtle]

I'd consider dropping the cqkz for demo team

But that's just me

[bitter turtle]

Pls

Lol

[serene sage]

I think most people love the nemesis system, I'm not an exception

[bitter turtle]

But ya you're already going hard on nades

Might as well go all the way

[barren cave]

speaking of demo team, grenadier vet is my favourite vet and I dont run any keystones because its just so unga bunga op

[bitter turtle]

And chuck nades all day

[serene sage]

who dis? sounds familiar

[neat stratus]

Yeah, although you're GOING to die if 12 nemesis spawn on you, its still hilarious to have them introduce themselves one by one

[vivid bolt]

@serene sage better not throw smh

[serene sage]

im throwing

[vivid bolt]

thank you, i need more things to kill

[serene sage]

sorry

im throwing nades

[vivid bolt]

fuck

[torn root]

this is funny because i often times call the GL the black mage class

[neat stratus]

So why is gunlance a mage class?

[torn root]

black mage likes explosive spells

firaga ultima

etc.

gunlance loves to shoot and blow shit up

[neat stratus]

Gunlance just like me fr

[torn root]

its the weapon you take when you dont wan to care about aiming

in rise you kinda take it if you like challenge mode

but its fun

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[patent swift]

What's the mod called?

[regal belfry]

is supercharged worth on power swords

[left zephyr]

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[tall torrent]

No

[tranquil bronze]

Literally called weapon customization mod, found on the Darktide Modding discord.

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[regal belfry]

then powercycler and rampage

[torn root]

powercycler and brutal momentum are tied for me

[neat stratus]

To be fair, I did get the collection edition or whatever its called for 10 bucks, includes both games and all the dlc

[torn root]

i like momentum a bit more

[neat stratus]

They have INSANE bundles

Or at least discounts, chrimmas steam sale goes crazy

[fleet garden]

are you talking about mhw?

I saw gunlance

[neat stratus]

Shadow of War/Mordor

[tranquil bronze]

Oh that's just mean...

[strange sparrow]

No no no no

[torn root]

MH in general, world is my least favorite

[neat stratus]

62% stopping power

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[fleet garden]

least? damn son

[neat stratus]

World?

[torn root]

but World has the best version of my favorite monster

[valid bluff]

But then I feel compelled to take twinned nades

[crisp bronze]

Power Cycler is a must on Power Swords. Brutal Momentum is the best offensive Blessing cause it let's you kill everything gooder, Sunder is the best defensive Blessing cause it let's you stagger whole packs of Ragers repeatedly.

[valid bluff]

because at that point I prob have enough nade regen to make it work

[neat stratus]

Actually I wanna know why tho, what makes World your least favorite?

[torn root]

its the farthest fromt he core game

[fleet garden]

I will disagree, deffo the best of all games

[tranquil bronze]

@strange sparrowLemme torture you even more

[torn root]

they also dumbed world down to bring in new players, which isnt bad but i destroyed the content

[fleet garden]

I played world, rise, mhgu and 4

[regal belfry]

ragers are focus targets shoot them before they com close

[torn root]

my favorite monster for once was the hardest monster in World

[neat stratus]

I mean, didn't rise go even further with that? I find it way easier

[fleet garden]

ye rise is super easy compared to world

[strange sparrow]

Nah

[neat stratus]

Or are you more upset with the principle it set?

[strange sparrow]

As long you don’t show me damage 80%

[torn root]

Rise is harder than World and a lot of ppl who started on world have said that

even on steam reviews

[strange sparrow]

And suggest/yse those weapon

[fleet garden]

ahhahaha damn ye sorry im outta here, thats just plain false

[neat stratus]

Suppose Im better attuned to games like rise if thats the case

[tranquil bronze]

Least I got a pretty good keeper

[fleet garden]

you may not like world for diff reasons but rise being harder than world? ye no shot

[torn root]

World Compared to other MH games, monsters are slower, and don't hit as hard, in world you also have alost 3x the i frames as in other games too, it's a lot more forgiving in general which is fine

[fleet garden]

wtf is precog?

and in rise you have a billion more counters and way more mobility

[neat stratus]

In Rise I believe you have double World's i frames, at least with LS

[crisp bronze]

Yes of course. But when things breakdown and it becomes chaos Sunder letting you Stagger Ragers and Maulers repeatedly can help a good bit. Killing is the best CC but sometimes you just need to buy more time.

[torn root]

I use to speedrun in both games

counters require precision tho

[neat stratus]

I was pretty upset that the Iai counter became insanely op

[fleet garden]

for sure me barreling my gs counter to do a massive amount of dmg requires precision

[torn root]

in world you can roll a lot later in animation than in other games, and you can get out of hits that should have hit if it were another game