veteran-class

[strange sparrow]

I found Bayo hordes capacity quite limited due to no option to push

but thats also because the density of hordes

if it's less than 10 pox walker, you'll be fine

anything above that, you need to use a melee or a grenade

[crisp oak]

Yeah I was talking about dense af hordes

Where standard shovel heabies are required

[wanton dawn]

Unless there is crusher, mauler or more than 1 bulwarks its fine

[swift ingot]

Hive Ganger fit I use for my Melee Vet loadout

[wanton dawn]

Then again, i play melee bayo with all melee node dmg

[strange sparrow]

fuck le crit las ammo

you have no issue with ammo

oh wait this is krak

[wanton dawn]

I should probably make a maelstrom bayo video

[crisp oak]

Ill have to try it out

[wanton dawn]

Might be fun

Pretty boring to watch though

[strange sparrow]

Here's how would I build if you want to larp with the gun

If anything touch you just use VoC

And there's too much garbage, just throw 2 grenade

Grenade Tinkerer + Shredder is strong against hordes

[crisp oak]

My basis is I like the hellbore, but also dont want to be a detriment to the team kek.

[terse idol]

I would personally also take the 8 stacks with redirect fire

[strange sparrow]

I dont wanna take 8 stacks in this build because how often I didn't get to stack 8 tbh

just personal preferences

[tiny summit]

Yes exe is good and based with helbore

[hearty panther]

its less about 8 stacks on a target

and just having 8 stacks of redirect being so much

[strange sparrow]

Charismatic user

But I use exec stances for wallhack

[tiny summit]

Yes

[strange sparrow]

not because damage cuz not a lot of breakpoint

[tiny summit]

I'm gonna make sure my team gets my 3 toughness off headshots!

[strange sparrow]

Twat running Born Leader into Wall hack for my friend

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore is a good weapon if you master it

[crisp oak]

Yup

Just need to get one with a charge percent of more than 15 lol

Also does the bayo count as melee kills for melks missions?

[tiny summit]

Whut?

[strange sparrow]

Yes I believe

[hot dragon]

I have a shitload of grey/green 365+ Hellbore waiting to be crafted but I'm not really sure what to do with them 😅

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty detrimental to the team if you doesn't learn how to use the weapon tbh

I was spamming bayonet because how bad was the ironsight

[crisp oak]

Or have a shit one lel

Ive used the power of software to fix the ironsights.

[tiny summit]

You can say that about everything then

[crisp oak]

[strange sparrow]

No really because HellBore need to you know take 2 braincell to charge the shot

while other gun is really just blast away

[tiny summit]

Helbore iron sights are good

[crisp oak]

I had an issue where i would unscope and lose my charge

[strange sparrow]

[crisp oak]

no

At least the mk1

[obtuse raft]

Hol on what's wrong with em

[tiny summit]

Nothing. They are bad

[strange sparrow]

Mk1 and Mk2 have terrible Ironsight

Mk3 slightly better but it's bayonet is garbage

[tiny summit]

People are bad with iron sights

[crisp oak]

I mean I literally changed the ironsights

[tiny summit]

Idk sounds like skill issue

[crisp oak]

Maybe it is

[strange sparrow]

Yes Im bad with Iron sights and Fs are bad in designing IronSight

Your point

[crisp oak]

But I couldnt hit snipers with it co sistently enough

[tiny summit]

The iron sights are good

[tiny summit]

Idk. Sounds like skill issue

[crisp oak]

Could after swapping to columnus iron sights

[strange sparrow]

put on the MK3 barrel

you will thank me later

[crisp oak]

K

Either way the mk 1 was the worst out of them, the mark 3/2 were nice

[obtuse raft]

I never considered using that mod to swap irons... That's so obvious in hindsight.

[crisp oak]

putting on a 2x scope was funny

[obtuse raft]

Maybe it's time to start modding

I love the agri headhunter but it's weird nub sights get to me

[strange sparrow]

Here's the iron on Mk 2, no clarity and you're expected to aim on that piece of rail

[crisp oak]

That one I could sorta use

Ml1 was the bigger struggle for me

[strange sparrow]

If you put on columnus + Mk 3 barrel

[tiny summit]

Yea. It's easy

[strange sparrow]

It's okay to be special

[tiny summit]

That looks disgusting

[strange sparrow]

You probably design the iron

[tiny summit]

It's OK to admit being bad with iron sights

[swift ingot]

Even trench sights would be better than that garage

[crisp oak]

Those are both iron sights

I just cant use this, call it skill issue or whatever

At least at 30-40 meters out

[strange sparrow]

tbh, if you use exec stances, the basic ironsight because useful because you can see the outline

so uhh yea

except the fact that without exec stances, you can't see shit

because the iron block out 70% of your screen

[serene bough]

Exe stance stinky

I havent used exe stance since the beginning of the patch

[tiny summit]

Exe my favorite.

Pop all their heads

[serene bough]

You should feel terrible about your opinion

[swift ingot]

Same, it’s been collecting dust since VoC dropped

[tiny summit]

You should learn that it's goated

[serene bough]

I dont want to learn I want to remain in ignorance

[crisp oak]

Weve learned why they can use the ironsights

[serene bough]

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt and all that

[strange sparrow]

Exec Stance is just here for me to act like a sniper

nothing more

[swift ingot]

And we all know that Ignorance is a virtue

[tiny summit]

Still use the iron sights just fine while exe isn't active

[idle dirge]

imo acting like a sniper isn’t the best way to use stance at all, outside of some situations

[strange sparrow]

I mean You're already taking a hellbore

and EC

what's the better scenario

Activate EC and start running toward the guy with a bayonet

[idle dirge]

I don’t use helbore tho

[strange sparrow]

Smh skilm issue

[swift ingot]

If I didn’t love Laspistol so much I’d use other guns on vet

Me looking at this absolute beaut I rolled day one of part 2 dropping

[strange sparrow]

Bayo also cleave so you could spam it if you feel like it

[serene bough]

im still using my infantry las pretty religiously

[strange sparrow]

3/4 shots mutant depend where you hit them

[swift ingot]

But lately I’ve gotten into the plasma gun for…certain reasons

[strange sparrow]

1 shot dogs in the head

[swift ingot]

If you know ya know

[quartz haven]

thought i would share this weird creation of mine

[swift ingot]

That’s horrendous

It’s perfect

[fathom rose]

tech heresy

[serene bough]

Theyre gonna have to glue you back together in hell

love it

[crisp oak]

Mreminds me of my laspistol

[idle dirge]

Does the battery life on the lights with weapon customization actually do anything? I thought they were all just unlimited

[quartz haven]

yeah i think its just there kinda

[serene bough]

some flashlights are stronger than others no?

infantry las vs autopistol light is different i think

[idle dirge]

I think so, but they also have a battery life stat there that doesnt seem to change anything

[serene bough]

work in progress maybe, not sure, i dont have the mod installed

[idle dirge]

I’ve stood in the psykanium with a light on for a minute straight and never saw the percentage the mod talked about

[pearl granite]

what would be best blessings on sapper shovel?

[wanton dawn]

Recon strongest flashlight

[swift ingot]

I now have 2 loadouts that use the exact same talents and weapons, with the only difference being the drip, so I can swap depending on how I’m feeling(also the color of the left outfit is because of a mod called For The Drip)

[pearl granite]

is this one good/can be saved? 😄

[terse idol]

Its just a square iron sight

[swift ingot]

It’s salvageable, swap rev for either thrust or slauterer and swap stam for flak

[pearl granite]

thanks. btw is crit good on chainaxes?

[swift ingot]

No

[pearl granite]

okay 😢

[alpine maple]

I’ll ask here to, for the challenge that’s like: “90% accuracy with 0 ammo at the end of the mission” does one plasma gun shot count as 3 shots (cause it eats 3 ammo) or is it still just one shot

[serene bough]

one shot

[wanton dawn]

I would not know i cheesed it in beta 🧀

[swift ingot]

For the MkXII you want to favor thrust over slaughterer, for this one you can keep infested and swap crit for flak

[muted knot]

Is the laspistol worth anything?

[pearl granite]

sadly I still don't have thrust yet

will try to look for it

[serene bough]

if you can land headshots the new laspistol is great

[swift ingot]

Both Laspistols are amazing

[muted knot]

Just use a revolver

Been looking at the new one recently

I don't like the old one cause of the firerate

[swift ingot]

My precious

[serene bough]

the new laspistol is basically a pocket mg12 infantry las

[hollow ibex]

that's an accatran right? more like space m9

[muted knot]

Same firerate ?

[serene bough]

roughly the same, maybe slightly faster

[swift ingot]

It’s the Kantrael

[hollow ibex]

oh ok, space m1911 then

[muted knot]

Hmm

I do like the mk12s feel

[hollow ibex]

space deagle would be boltpistol or something i'd imagine

[muted knot]

I wish they would bring a good looking commisar outfit

[swift ingot]

That’s better, you’d obviously want to use a 1911 when fighting daemons, because 9mm kills the body but 45 ACP kills the soul, helps with keeping em dead longer

[muted knot]

Is dum dum/infernus what you want on the new one ?

[hollow ibex]

true true

[hollow ibex]

i'm not sure if infernus is that good on the new one tbh

[muted knot]

What else do you bring ?

Speed loader ?

[fathom rose]

I have one curio equipped twice

[copper pine]

Infernus only helps on bosses, the lazpistol only really needs dum dum

So you can use whatever on the second blessing

Infernus and raking fire being the most popular choices

[muted knot]

Doe the laspistols have a niche to fulfill ?

Or do I just dump in the general direction of enemy's ?

[fathom rose]

it's laspistolling time

[copper pine]

They do a lot of crit damage, but fill the same role as the lazguns

[muted knot]

Guessing most important modifiers are damage>SP>ammo ?

[alpine maple]

alr thankyou

[muted knot]

And remember to not bring the ammo aura

[copper pine]

Yeah stability is the dump stat

[muted knot]

Revolver is the easiest to run for that penance

[hollow ibex]

i'd still consider mobility to be more of a dump stat than stability on laspistols

but dumping stab isn't the end of the world either

[midnight totem]

The accutran is laser accurate, while the kantrael is more powerful but can have relatively ridiculous recoil if low stability

[hollow ibex]

honestly could also consider ghost lol

[cerulean void]

I find dumping stability is

[midnight totem]

They also have high damage drop off at range, but can deal more damage close up then a full lasgun

[cerulean void]

OK
if you're not using laspistol for hyper-mobile always-shooting builds

[thick needle]

What guns are considered high tier for a damnation-rank veteran

[cerulean void]

dumping stability means your movement debuffs for shooting, esp from the hip, drop considerably
Which is kinda needed for a pinpoint crit gun

[midnight totem]

Pretty much all of them

[copper pine]

Except recon las

[thick needle]

[fathom rose]

is the default shovel good?

[midnight totem]

It's decent

Heavily overshadowed by the mk3 and mk7

[strong halo]

Preferred shovel perks/blessings?

[strange sparrow]

Anything that is not recon las

[fathom rose]

I dunno

[serene sage]

S tier is a trio of Plasma Revolver Columnus 5

Everything else is A tier except Shredder and Recon at B+

Most based tier list you can find here

[midnight totem]

Thrust will make your heavies hit like a thunder hammer, combined with mk3 and mk7 pickaxe mode and the right perk, they can one shot crushers

[copper pine]

Uncanny and decimator iirc, I think the mk3 can do funny things with thrust

[terse idol]

Recon at B? That's generous

[midnight totem]

Decimator is just a solid blessing

[tiny summit]

Yea. I swap between it, Rashad and PS6

[serene sage]

Technically still at the bottom of the list

[cerulean void]

Recons, barring certain psyker builds that would be even more broken with literally any other gun, are usable but not great. B is good

[midnight totem]

Skullcrusher is funny and uncanny strike is workable

[terse idol]

Are you talking about the head burst on 10% damage

[fathom rose]

I got the skullcrusher blessing

[terse idol]

I'm not like thrilled about that with recon on psyker, if only because, in theory you could collateral with something behind to trigger it MAYBE

[tiny summit]

I still wouldn't use recon on my gunpsyker

[wanton dawn]

Recon is B for Bad

[midnight totem]

It's extra damage if the enemy is staggered. The shovel staggers

Bonk your way to victory

[terse idol]

Recon is b for ( 🅱️ ) onless

[umbral scaffold]

recon is in the 🅱️eans tier

[thick needle]

What talents and perks are also good

[strange sparrow]

IronWill is probably the most used talents in game

[tiny summit]

Born Leader is the best. I swear.

[thick needle]

Rn I've got Krak grenades, Voice and building down the Focus branch, with the 50% aura boost and Survivor for ammo

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bed-deflate-gif-4485064855593108883

[tiny summit]

I'm a believer of giving my team pennies of toughness

[umbral scaffold]

i just dont give em shit

[thick needle]

The "stand still and don't move" keystone seemed to have good stuff in the tree, but it didn't really seem worth

[umbral scaffold]

cus im built like that

[umbral scaffold]

its shit i swear by it

[tiny summit]

You're not suppose to think of it as "standing still and don't move". Play normally. Click heads. Move when you actually need to.

[terse idol]

I'm honestly coping a little because MAYBE if you took every toughness share coherence node

[umbral scaffold]

why do that when u can be a crackhead with the knife and zoom

[tiny summit]

Most people are moving far more than they ever need to while ADSing

[terse idol]

You might be able to give 10

But I have no way of testing

And 10 is better than 4

And 6

[strange sparrow]

The thing is that it give headshot damage better only

[umbral scaffold]

quik mafs

[strange sparrow]

Which is like really meh

[tiny summit]

Join me brother. Idk if I'm helping but it works in my games

[strange sparrow]

3 toughness at a time guys dw

[tiny summit]

ET + CK + Tunnel Vision at 10 MF stacks is...some number

[thick needle]

This is what my noob build looks like rn

[terse idol]

You definely wanna take VOC gives toughness

[tiny summit]

I personally prefer CK for pathing sake because every elite/special is a pinata of toughness. And demo team > comp urge for more grenades

Oh shit didn't notice he lacked that

[white minnow]

marksman is also crit so I like it for that esp with the columnus

[thick needle]

What's CK

[tiny summit]

Confirmed Kill. The node that shares the spot with Aura bonus range

In reality with this build, you're kinda just sharing more distance for your team to secure ammo

[umbral scaffold]

1 plasma shot killing like 9 shotgunner will make u immortal for like 10 secs

giga

[terse idol]

Yeah

[thick needle]

Rn I'm running with a Bolter

[terse idol]

Its the middle top

Yeah it'll still be fine

[thick needle]

Hoping to get another good CIA soon

[umbral scaffold]

cia

wat

https://tenor.com/view/president-mr-gif-13289764

[thick needle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[umbral scaffold]

oh dw

im still trying to get dumdum 4

this ma boy

[tiny summit]

I take this with my columnus.

[umbral scaffold]

eh

[thick needle]

I just run Stripped Down and Sustained Fire on my CIA

[tiny summit]

Could probably drop born leader for the 8 focus stacks but I just like what I like

[snow thistle]

ye boi 😎

[umbral scaffold]

[thick needle]

FRENCH?

[snow thistle]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1190098990260293685/caption-12-1-1.gif?ex=65a0910e&is=658e1c0e&hm=29bc888aee43eb6bb445676a5cbfbdc4a9e839742eb8c0e4f3712e8d87c59204&

[umbral scaffold]

Don't think of the thing as "you need to stand still or you lose stacks"
Just think of it as "If you keep killing and clicking heads properly you're rewarded"

sunk cost fallacy to tunnel on maintaining the buff 24/7

[snow thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

[umbral scaffold]

play normally and play well and you'll be fine

[thick needle]

Listen the CIA'S RM rof is so high that you can just trigger SF over and over with 1 second bursts

[inland orchid]

“Normally” and “well”?

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-vaporized-disintegrate-disintegration-no-fuck-off-gif-23578872

[inland orchid]

That don’t sound like a vet to me

[umbral scaffold]

true

brb maelstrom

[serene bough]

its honestly the only good option down there imo

[terse idol]

Like literally play marksmens focus like you would normally play exec stance

[serene orbit]

What's the minimum item rating to get t4 blessings? 350?

[tiny summit]

But I run tunnel vision too!

[serene bough]

helps to keep stacks consistently whereas 15 vs 10 stacks isnt necessarily pushing any boundaries that I've seen

[terse idol]

Take camouflage got those rare times you do just get a breather to stand still

Marksmens focus works best as a counter fire specialist against all types of gunners

[white minnow]

i like it for bosses when you can just stand still and dodge

[umbral scaffold]

camouflage my beloved

speedrunning getting kicked with that one

[terse idol]

You take the toughness regain on 10 stacks on weak point kills and you just stand there trading shots with gunners and heavy gunners all day

[umbral scaffold]

any %

[terse idol]

Its really good

People just overthink it waaaayyy too much

[thick needle]

I never see anyone who takes Camouflage

[terse idol]

I doo

[serene bough]

i use camo

[terse idol]

It just helps you get 10 stacks

[serene sage]

I do

[terse idol]

Makes it more consistent

[white minnow]

and it removes the on-kill restriction

[serene sage]

Always actually if running MF

[thick needle]

Then they're not very good at it, are they

[tiny summit]

Took my infantry lasgun on that build without suppression immunity. I may have been inaccurate as fuck shooting at the whole room of gunners but my toughness still didn't break when spamming all shots and getting kills

[umbral scaffold]

kek xd

[thick needle]

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

me use camouflage watch as my team gets overheaded by crushers in damnations

but yeah it's like if an Ogryn was complaining "But if I use my light attacks I lose my heavy stacks"

[terse idol]

[serene bough]

personally I prefer to just take Ghost

[umbral scaffold]

or a zealot going "Why do I need to block when I can just die to maximize my damage"

[terse idol]

Camo doesn't effect how you get targetted

Not like before

[serene bough]

you can stand and take shots as long as you're popping heads (which is what you should be doing anyways if you take MF)

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1190098990260293685/caption-12-1-1.gif?ex=65a0910e&is=658e1c0e&hm=29bc888aee43eb6bb445676a5cbfbdc4a9e839742eb8c0e4f3712e8d87c59204&

it was fun then

camping in a corner like a pinhead dipshit

[terse idol]

If your team is dying by crushers that's a team diff

[umbral scaffold]

yup
honestly, it's a nice balancing act because that talent is sick if you can maximize it

but I'm a simple lad

Weapon Specialist is all I need to be happy

[obtuse raft]

Camo is genuinely useful? I figured I wouldn't really get a whole ton of use from it just based on the description.

[terse idol]

Honestly it's what you should he doing when you take exe stance, it's why they pair so well

[tall torrent]

Tunnel vision x1.25 to all toughness u gain is crazy

[terse idol]

You can maintain exe for a looong time

[obtuse raft]

That whole keystone is a ton more fun than I expected though

[tiny summit]

Get some stacks and watch the rager heads get lopped off. Mk2 1 tapping mutant waves is also neat

[serene bough]

i don't run exe stance, i use infiltrate

[umbral scaffold]

The keystone is pretty fun if you like being cool

and being a cool action hero with a gun B-)

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-x-family-spy-bruh-bruh-moment-gif-25527210

[serene bough]

threat reduction gives you invisibility to ranged threats

[umbral scaffold]

especially if you're running one of the brautos or whatever

or well, the auto guns if you wanna aim 🙄

[tiny summit]

There's plenty of moments in a game of Darktide that don't require moving. If you're ADSing you probably don't need to move that much besides the occasional dodge

[white minnow]

it's nice for bosses

and removes the on-kill requirement of getting stacks

[umbral scaffold]

Darktide is actually a lot nicer than VT2 in that there's more hp and ammo

and it's not like you instantly lose stacks anyway
just keep popping heads off and you'll be finne

[serene orbit]

How is this? Should I replace Rampage with Shred?

[obtuse raft]

I guess I just get too paranoid and fidget around when I don't actually need to lol

[trim steppe]

What does the zealot want on a dagger?

[trim steppe]

Looks awesome, I'd keep rampage

[white minnow]

yeah i'm just used to spamming ADAD as well and losing stacks for no reason

but i get pretty conscious of camoflauge's effect once a boss rolls around and i can just magdump a columnus into them and getting an appreciable damage bonus

[tiny summit]

It's habit. It's not like moving will affect your accuracy and unless running MF there's lil reason to not also slowly advance forward or move around. But as for a need to move? Not really. Which is why MF and camo are nice

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0398b2-bf36-4556-8e6f-5e16fd8ecd82/mg4-shovel

i use this when MF

[tiny summit]

Wanting those moments of camo max stacks and columnus raking fire into a BoN back

[tiny summit]

Close to what I ran when I was using infil and marksman. Been holding out on that until I get a better mg4

[low oar]

Raking fire Columunus with that zealot ranged perks is honestly the most ridiculous DPS I've ever done to a BoN

[obtuse raft]

btw which headhunter autos do people run and how do you build em. I've really fallen in love with the agri but IDK if I'm doin it right.
Focus with all that finesse boost and headhunter+surgical was very very funny

[serene bough]

yeah i definitely find MG4 is good for this, with MF you can reach similar breakpoints to the Mg1a

depending on team comp i swap out fireteam for survivalist but otherwise its mostly the same

[tiny summit]

Can't play any of this week but I may try running this setup w/ mg4

[fathom rose]

yay, the mg4 got mentioned

[crude ermine]

The wa

[tiny summit]

The short infantry lasgun

[fathom rose]

kantrael mg iv lasgun

the blue default one

[crude ermine]

Woah

Never tried it

[fathom rose]

I'm running an infernus build with it and it's the best thing ever

[serene bough]

its my favorite personally

[fathom rose]

you should

[serene bough]

i use it often

[tiny summit]

It's good. Very spammy. May not hit as hard as others but it's fire rate and ammo pool make it up

[serene bough]

no headhunter?

[fathom rose]

I mean, falter's also nice

has some support capabilities

[tiny summit]

May actually swap to kraks and fire team over smokes and close and kill

[serene bough]

yeah I would take krak/fire team

[serene bough]

i prefer ghost + headhunter but considering youre running infernus i think headhunter would be better dps

[fathom rose]

this is the build I use with it

[tiny summit]

Trying to build a mg4 with headhunter and deadly accurate. Hadron says fuck you

[hearty panther]

https://streamable.com/1ltuha

there is a second way to quick draw the bolter

[fathom rose]

nice

[hearty panther]

more veteran relevant than zealot

but works for both

[serene bough]

your plasma gun looks weird here

[fathom rose]

it is

[tiny summit]

A rez shout. I mean what works for you is what works. I think others would find the setup...questionable

[hearty panther]

so long as you're missing a round in the mag, while drawing you mash reload to cancel the draw anim. then sprint cancel the reload anim as soon as it starts. the gun is now ready.

[fathom rose]

rez shout is fun

don't forget: videogames must be fun

[inland orchid]

Wah Wah Wah the ranged is snuffed Wah he won’t knock over as many wah

Modifier is modifier

[vivid cloud]

rez shout is funny

[tiny summit]

I would recommend though that if going for focus target, I think grabbing the side nodes gives too much value to pass up. Every tag kill giving toughness, stamina and dmg to the team

[vivid cloud]

rez them into a crusher overhead

[muted knot]

What does a infernus build look like ? I continued reading and saw it sorry for the ping

[inland orchid]

Think simpler, Autorevive them in fire; bonus if they’re 1 wound warriors

[umbral scaffold]

funniest talent

[fathom rose]

infernus blessing on your lasweapon of choice (preferrably a high rate of fire one) + maximize ranged crit chance

[fathom rose]

I did get autorezzed in fire once

funniest shit ever, you should try it

[terse idol]

Its not about the range

Its because of the increased cooldown

[muted knot]

What do you mean by maximize ranged crit chance ? Like I know what I means but how

[terse idol]

And when you pick

reduce cooldown on elite kills by 6 seconds

[quasi jetty]

Like the great Phoenix.

[terse idol]

I'm not gonna stop people from picking rez shout, but you gotta know how to safe rez in the first place

[inland orchid]

You just fixed the problem by putting that node on imo

[timid field]

Hey Veterans, should I replace Brutal Momentum or Wrath for Power Cycler

[terse idol]

You can instantly kill someone by shout rezzing them so easily

[fathom rose]

use talents that give you more crit chance, in the talent tree

[serene sage]

just simply don't pick people up

[serene bough]

replace wrath

[inland orchid]

Ya ya with great power comes great yadda yadda

[serene sage]

Bromentum is one of the BiS, definitely wrath

[muted knot]

I don't understand the rezshout tbh you can just use the better mode shout and rez right after

[left zephyr]

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[terse idol]

It defeats the purpose as to why VOC is so good, instant cooldown resets and toughness gain

[left zephyr]

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[terse idol]

That aint the point 🥹

[serene sage]

teammates = competitor for yellow numbers on scoreboard

[terse idol]

Its just a general rule of thumb

[muted knot]

Yikes

[serene sage]

there fore, rez should is F tier

[dire olive]

Situation dependent, maelstrom missions might not give you that easy an opportunity

[inland orchid]

It can be close to instant considering how many specials are in front of squads

[tiny summit]

Maximizing toughness to team

[terse idol]

Its why people who infil/invis res need to know how to res

[left zephyr]

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[terse idol]

Because you cannot res someone getting overheaded crushers, or swarmed by ragers

[inland orchid]

Well don’t u worry I do know how to rez pals, I was joking earlier bout reviving people on fires

[left zephyr]

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[inland orchid]

Thanks for the concern tho

[terse idol]

I knooow

[inland orchid]

Then why

[terse idol]

[inland orchid]

Enlighten me

To soemthing I already know

[terse idol]

Because increae cooldown stimky

[serene sage]

because this is vet chat

[inland orchid]

I don’t feel it like u but again

Thanks for concern

[terse idol]

I must hammer previously known knowledge

[serene bough]

i dont use revive shout

[copper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[serene sage]

haven't seen one in years

[serene bough]

but i dont think the cooldown is much of a problem w/ specialist kill perk

[copper barn]

That cooldown can be pretty killer sometimes.

[terse idol]

The last time I got shout rezed I instantly died so

[serene bough]

its just more useful to spam shout

[terse idol]

Therefore bad

[fierce steeple]

thats easy doe, underhand a shredder and pick up at the same time, boom. literally

[strange sparrow]

Revive shout is dissuasive especially there's so much combat ability that you get from using ability

[terse idol]

Yes sometimes folks will just naked revive you doe

Because they can

Without any setup

[serene sage]

say that to my 3x3 stamina curios revive setup

[terse idol]

I will say, shout res can also clutch so

[serene sage]

i dare you

[fierce steeple]

I dont usually have that problem, but I mainly run invis/voc on my vet and pop that after rez asap

[left zephyr]

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[fathom rose]

that is why I use it

[serene sage]

you run 3x3stam for deadshot

[fathom rose]

(and also for the funny factor)

[serene sage]

i run 3x3stam to revive teammates

we are not the same

[fierce steeple]

many a game saved with rev buff stacking

[serene bough]

deadshot makes me sad

[terse idol]

The issue being, if you didn't run shout rez you could have just reset shout 2 or 3 times

[crisp oak]

Does shout res also insta rescue?

[terse idol]

And prevented them from going down in the first place

[muted knot]

Wouldn't Headhunter be a better blessing than than falter?

[serene bough]

i would like to use on my faster firing weapons without becoming crippled

[fierce steeple]

no

[serene sage]

nah

it doesn't even free trap

[fathom rose]

yeah, but I didn't get it

[keen wolf]

Is replacing t3 sustained fire with t4 deathspitter a wise play here?

[left zephyr]

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[serene sage]

i doubt if it was even coded to free dogs, except the stagger already includes it

[wanton dawn]

Choose your character

[dire olive]

You vastly underestimate the average quickplay player's ability to die

[terse idol]

Death spitter is bis

Or the other one that does the same

Fire something

[serene sage]

level 30 thug vs level 1051 mafia boss

[crisp oak]

Ugh

[terse idol]

I forgor what' it's called

Fire frenzy

[fierce steeple]

but theres a perk with +20% rev speed in the vet tree, and all my curios are stacked with +10 rev speed too. revives are so effin quick its saved games more than the shout res

[serene sage]

fire frenzy

[terse idol]

Yeah

DS or FF

[muted knot]

Fair

[crisp oak]

Spamming is better anyways

I use it as a crappy zealot book

[muted knot]

There is what talent now ? I don't think I've ever seen it

[crisp oak]

Which is to say I use it to: give buff before combat, stagger annoying melee elites, tank shooters

[serene sage]

Leave no one behind

[fierce steeple]

its not a talent its just a point in the vet tree, far right side iirc

[crisp oak]

Its in the stealth tree

[serene sage]

It's on the same level as +1 nade capacity

[crisp oak]

^

Hellbore grenadier hmmm

What would a death korp grenadier use nade wise?

[serene sage]

It's like a really shitty version of Thy Grenade Be Swift

Because you do gain Stun Immunity when that thing is active

[muted knot]

Are the individual nodes not called talents ?

[crisp oak]

Talents=not stat bodes

[muted knot]

Probably why I've never seen it

[serene sage]

I think they are referring to death korp comment

[crisp oak]

Yup

[fierce steeple]

stealth tree is super strong for team synergy

[serene sage]

But that's a talent though?

[muted knot]

Woosh

[crisp oak]

Stealth vet can do work with revives

[muted knot]

I always thought all nodes are called talents

[crisp oak]

Was carried by a stealth knife vet in my first damnation (i needed to be rescued 4 times)

[fierce steeple]

yah with my +50% rev speed i can pick up 2 people before my stealth ends

[fathom rose]

what blessings do I use on the mk x laspistol?
I'm replacing raking fire with one of those

[muted knot]

Dum dum I guess

Wait is that dum dum ?

[fathom rose]

yeah, that's the obvious one to use on the mk x

[tranquil bronze]

What perk should I swap out?

[muted knot]

Uhhhhh it's not great across the board

[crisp oak]

Btw which shovel?

[fierce steeple]

get rid of efficiency

[fathom rose]

yeah

[tranquil bronze]

I plan to swap it out with Deadl Accurate

But I'm asking for the perk

[fathom rose]

good

[muted knot]

New shovels for single target killing that's about it

[serene bough]

if you wanna get single target DPS either of the two new ones, if you want a more defensive all rounder use the standard issue

i prefer the standard issue its more versatile

[crisp oak]

I heard one of the new ones had similar heavies as the standard issue

[tranquil bronze]

Yes, I'm aware I haven't sacrificed enough virgins to RNGesus

[fierce steeple]

personnaly Id change unyielding to flak

[midnight totem]

Jesus

This post on the reddit

It's like the worst veteran in the world

[muted knot]

Rookie mistake, you'll get the flow of the sacrifices in time

[muted knot]

Show pls

[umbral scaffold]

latest one is actually pretty strong

[muted knot]

Love me reddit r tards

[umbral scaffold]

Horde clearing heavies, alt fire st damage

[tranquil bronze]

I plan to still keep it. I'm no elitist heretic scum.

[serene bough]

one of them is similar another has a strikedown i think

[umbral scaffold]

and the push shove is an overhead light so it's pretty decent

[crisp oak]

That the one with the weird thrust in the heavies?

[serene bough]

light attacks are similar though

[muted knot]

Fair enough

[umbral scaffold]

personally I like the new one

have Thrust with it so I can 1tap mutants that run at me

just using it with the plasma gun + weapons specialist so I can play defensive and not have to manual reload

[midnight totem]

You are not ready for this level of bad

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/zFVrHhSnnj

[terse idol]

Probably shredder, Maybe krak depending on their role

[muted knot]

That's me...

[terse idol]

Grenadier actually krak

[crisp oak]

Yeah reading probably krak

[terse idol]

Iirc krieg grenadiers and grenadiers in the imperium often have heavier weapons

[crisp oak]

Shotties might be lore friendly right

[midnight totem]

Really?

[crisp oak]

For trench fighting

[umbral scaffold]

These are the type of people who think that Veteran needs 60 perk points to be useful
and Veterans are squishy

[muted knot]

No

[umbral scaffold]

oof this was
so bad lol

[terse idol]

For sure

[muted knot]

Sorry I couldn't resist the temptation

[midnight totem]

Oh good because I was legit about to pop a vein in pain

[muted knot]

Ahahah

[crisp oak]

Might make one then, a shame the krieger cosmetic isnt in the shop

[fierce steeple]

Kriegers have a specific trench shotgun thats not in game yet unfortunately. Id love to see the krieg engineer shotgun come in

[muted knot]

I'm so sorry I love doing that to people

[umbral scaffold]

hahaha

evil

[terse idol]

This is why kriegs have bayonetts and like well sapper shovels

[flint onyx]

please someone tell me the "Make every shot count" penance is bugged and I don't actually miss that many more shots than I think I do

[terse idol]

If they were in supply I'm sure they would give kriegsmen shotguns too

[umbral scaffold]

no offense to that post ofc but damn there's like 8 misplays in a row

[muted knot]

It's not

[midnight totem]

You miss a lot

[terse idol]

It's not

[umbral scaffold]

poor OP got dragged through the mud but that was really bad play

[terse idol]

You can miss a few shots suffice it to say

[crisp oak]

Yeah Id buy that

[terse idol]

That a striker shotgun

[crisp oak]

Yup

[terse idol]

Les goo

[flint onyx]

Guess I will just keep trying then, knowing it's not bugged is good as well

[crisp oak]

First picture of an engineer I could find

[fierce steeple]

kriegers have a lot of cool toys on TT that arent ig yet that I'd love to see.

[crisp oak]

Tbh though this one makes sense to add

Nothing op about it

[fierce steeple]

Im sure it comes down to licensing and getting GW approval

[crisp oak]

Flare rounds...

[muted knot]

Meltabolblance

[crisp oak]

Or more likely gas

[terse idol]

I will also say, BECAUSE I LEARNED there is a huge disconnect between meme kriegsmen and Canon kriegsmen that I hope more people address
Kriegsmen aren't suicidal, they focus on trench warfare and tactics

[fierce steeple]

mole launchers

[terse idol]

They will not just run and die because "for dah emperor"

[crisp oak]

Mole launchers

[terse idol]

They'll do what it takes to get the mission complete

[serene bough]

i want tanith themed outfits

cheeky sneaky themed stuff

[crisp oak]

Calvalry die a ton though

[fierce steeple]

I wish that the vet could get the dueling sword for the death rider skin 😥

[umbral scaffold]

Same

[tranquil bronze]

I wish we had Tempestus Scion armor

[umbral scaffold]

That + longlas = Yes

[fierce steeple]

its in the files

[strange sparrow]

Here's the thing about Canon Kriegs, Their mission usually involve siege battle that is often bloody and ruthless

hand to hand combat, artillery and vice versa

[crisp oak]

Krieg calvalry spears

Id like some mordian iron guard

Dress blues

[serene bough]

i hope the longlas works just like the snipers long las

[strange sparrow]

The thing about how people claim that Krieg is "Suicidal" because often time, people dislike krieg in 40k

people as in people within 40k

[serene bough]

well, now that i think about it, probably would be too similar to plasma charged shot

[crisp oak]

Yeah because they execute commisars for cowardice

And are also typically like 17

[muted knot]

It's in the files

[strange sparrow]

More like they never have their mask off, they eat only compressed cookies or something

[crisp oak]

They eat the starch

"Rations"

[strange sparrow]

this extend to the entire command structure of krieg too where commander never took their mask off

which did not do them justice in politics imo

[crisp oak]

Tbf the high high up people like them

Ie administratum

[fierce steeple]

Krieg is the only military force in the Guard thats allowed to have combined arms post horus heresy due to their loyalty.

[terse idol]

Honestly i thought people liked krieg because they were suicidal

[crisp oak]

Steel legion

[terse idol]

But yeah I mean naw you're right

[crisp oak]

But yeah true

[strange sparrow]

I think the best way to describe their tendacy of suicidal is ceaseless devotion to duty

[terse idol]

Its that like

[fierce steeple]

steel legion doesnt have naval capacity iirc

[serene bough]

i figured it was the ww1 aesthetic

[strange sparrow]

They're really really into terrible bloody fight

[crisp oak]

Krieg has naval capacity?

[fierce steeple]

yup

[strange sparrow]

that just suffer a very very high casualty

[terse idol]

We see how many kriegsmen die, but we forget that these strategies they're employing, these fights often take YEARS

[crisp oak]

[terse idol]

So yeah they'll move slowly

Lose people

[tall torrent]

Don’t think so
They’re almost exclusively a siege focused regiment

[fierce steeple]

they do

[strange sparrow]

And if you think about it, It's not so different from Cadian Shock Trooper or any other imperial guard

the strategy is always toss people at something until it's ok

[tall torrent]

Naval as in
Ships (in ocean) or ships (in space)

[fierce steeple]

space

[serene bough]

"When in doubt, throw more men at it"

[terse idol]

Steel legion is armoured focus yeeahh

[tall torrent]

Ok then yea they have transport fleets and stuff

[crisp oak]

They could be worse, could bt be the mordian guard

[terse idol]

I mean, they don't focus on navy

[tall torrent]

I thought more traditional “navy” as in ocean lol

[crisp oak]

Navy in 40k=space

[terse idol]

Its like this is why the imperium puts these regiments in appropriate places

[strange sparrow]

Here I quote the fandom :
But despite their glorious service record, Krieg units are not well-liked by Astra Militarum commanders who find these troops to be morose, taciturn, all too willing to accept high casualties (even amongst their commanders) and difficult to deal with by non-Krieg natives.

[crisp oak]

Water=armored regiment

[terse idol]

You're not gonna ask krieg yo be out of their elements

[serene bough]

is there any traditional navy in 40k

[strange sparrow]

Not really

I remember Krieg got excluded once in some battle

[terse idol]

There is no water in krieg

[crisp oak]

I know

[strange sparrow]

and survived that battle because it was excluded out

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily, there’re a few planets in Darktide’s character creator that are primarily ocean, and several cosmetics mention campaign on Incron which was primarily ocean

[strange sparrow]

Well survived is a generous word for death soon

[tall torrent]

I think the Moebian 21st cosmetics mention they’re blue because of that Incron campaign

[crisp oak]

Thought that also was the shipyard (ie space ships) in the moebian sector

[fierce steeple]

I want to see the other hive city the PCs talk about ig

[crisp oak]

The ones that are worse?

[fierce steeple]

and a few more maps on the edge of the city that see some outside areas

[midnight totem]

There are genestealers in it

[crisp oak]

Cuz isnt wolfer only the commander of the hive we are in?

[terse idol]

It certainly depends

[strange sparrow]

You could read about Orphean War about Krieg

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Orphean_War

[terse idol]

On the conflict

[tall torrent]

I wanna see some maps in darktide that has strike teams sent to higher levels of the hive

[crisp oak]

You mean zola

Thats not very nice of you

[fierce steeple]

in fact just new maps in general, not the same ones where we just take different routes

[strange sparrow]

They're so disliked within imperium commander, they got toss to middle of nowhere

[crisp oak]

I liked the carnival

[terse idol]

I think he has a higher command structure

[tall torrent]

All the maps rn are just decay after decay (except throneside), but I wanna see strike team missions sent to deal with the corrupt lords on atoma prime

[crisp oak]

Yeah fairly certain regimental cimmander of the 6th is a colonel

[fierce steeple]

isnt the sniper ig supposed to be a genestealer? Thought I read that somewhere

[terse idol]

Like I imagine the real "boss" could be that daemon that sucked the soul out of that wurmwood agent

[swift ingot]

Wolfer is Zola’s dad, change my mind

[untold mulch]

True weren-t they softly rebelling?

[crisp oak]

Is zolas mom big boss style

[midnight totem]

Dunno didn't hear that

[terse idol]

The nobels were corrupt as per some vox

[untold mulch]

Gib mission to take them down

[tall torrent]

I wanna see the high spires of atoma prime from the perspective of an inquisitorial strike team

[terse idol]

So it was pretty easy

[strange sparrow]

the Death Korps had been stationed far away from local barracks in an out-hive area of New Vassburg City called the Karalsa Industrial Plains

[tall torrent]

[midnight totem]

The nobles are always corrupt

[strange sparrow]

[crisp oak]

Fairly certain the nobles are mostly ded, the clans have been fighting for a while

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but I assume in a way pro nurgle this time

[strange sparrow]

Krieg in 40k are not likable by fellow imperium at all

[obtuse raft]

They talk a ton about how tertium was falling apart and neglected for a long time by it's leaders before the actual fighting broke out

[strange sparrow]

Because their key characteristic in general

[crisp oak]

I mean moat hives are falling apart

[strange sparrow]

just very very acceptable to Dying

[crisp bronze]

The Mobian 21st are apparently some pretty tough guys. They're essentially navy seals who do mostly amphibious combat. They were brought to Atoma to reasons I can't remember but they are actually very skilled they just got locked into fighting on a planet where that can't use their usual tactics.

[untold mulch]

Damn, rampant corruption causing a chaos spread

Who would have thought

[crisp oak]

Not sure why they need to be seals as opposed to just marines kek

Are they the point or the hammer

[untold mulch]

Lets throw amphibian troops for room for room warfare

[strange sparrow]

Atoma's Lore right now is all over the place which is really terrible

I believe there's a writer that lay down the backstory?

and that's pretty much it

[tall torrent]

They were on atoma prime for routine resupply when the plague outbreak happened

[untold mulch]

Abnett wrote the background looks like

[strange sparrow]

lore wise to traitor,karnak twins, wolfen, those are FS inhouse stuff

[crisp oak]

The 21st is not doing room by room, rather defending emplacements.

[midnight totem]

Anyway, while genestealers have been hinted at before, there are two things that cement them as enemies in my mind.

One is a random box message stating that possible xenos sighting, auric operatives to investigate

[untold mulch]

and then just FS is working with that

[terse idol]

I mean irs okay

[untold mulch]

Oh that makes sense

[terse idol]

The world building is here

[junior needle]

There's a writer who wrote a bunch of backstory and they used none of it

[midnight totem]

The other is a psyker describing a shadow in the Warp over Atoma

[terse idol]

As far as we know throne side is done

[strange sparrow]

Yeah that's the thing

[terse idol]

The nobels easily gave over the keys to the moebians

[tall torrent]

It’s just that 21st are being used to hold positions rn for being an experienced regiment in fighting naval (ocean) battles, not close quarters in-fighting inside a hive city

[midnight totem]

There's only one reason to ever use the words "shadow in the warp"

[terse idol]

And they were already stationed on Throneside in that club

[untold mulch]

Zola get me a Hellgun

[umbral scaffold]

Abnett

[terse idol]

Its for the world building

[umbral scaffold]

really good writer ( most of the time )

[untold mulch]

When I heard that line by a psyker me and my friend both went oh fuck

[terse idol]

I think its very strong but we don't see alot

[obtuse raft]

I thought the 6th and 21st were tertium locals tbh

[tall torrent]

On several maps u can also see distant Lasgun shots

Likely 21st engaging with 6th

[junior needle]

The world is basically entirely unbuilt in game

[midnight totem]

I know right? Savvy players be like

https://tenor.com/view/flamer-gif-20141420

[strange sparrow]

I mean The Karnak Twins Trailer is 21st fail to shoot 6th isn't it

[crisp oak]

Multi planet regiment I think

[strange sparrow]

like they overwhelmed quite a lot of troops

[crisp oak]

Atoma is a recruiting ground though

(And wolfer is from tertium)

[tall torrent]

I think there’s also a new line by Professional veteran where he mentions Ordo xenos and calls them “alien rubbish”

[fierce steeple]

I always thought itd be cool to see friendly forces enganging the heretics at the start of the mission to make it feel like the fighting is actually wide spread. Just generic gaurdsmen getting mowed down by the heretics and then we arrive at the front to push forward and secure whatver objective were on.

[strange sparrow]

(What about the Rogue Trader Cooperation with Inquisition, What's the deal with that)

[crisp oak]

Now is grendal hereticus or malleus?

[terse idol]

I thought many of the 21st were already dead

[midnight totem]

I wonder what fighting a purestrain would be like ingame

[strange sparrow]

(What about Inquisitor Grendyl)

[terse idol]

If we see distant Las gun fire its like grendyls forces

The moebian 21st got rolled

And seemingly only a handful that rannick contacted managed to get away and hide

[tall torrent]

21st is just holding positions on most of the maps

[strange sparrow]

Yeah

[terse idol]

Yeah

[strange sparrow]

They're usually hiding behind 3 leman russ or something

[terse idol]

Those are the boys that likely heard rannicks word and gtfo'ed

[strange sparrow]

then flight master will say

[obtuse raft]

I think that's just because brahm is getting paid or doing grendyl a favor

[strange sparrow]

Vakerie is the one that is holding the line

[tall torrent]

But they’re not necessarily steamrolled

[terse idol]

Rogue traders are incredibly powerful

[serene bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTD6q962W8w

this video is always relevant

[terse idol]

So the imperium requisitioned the rogue trader to be stationed here

[obtuse raft]

Im not super familiar with rogue trader lore but I think being required to help is part of their charter

[strange sparrow]

No no no, Rogue Trader seek to Do something

[terse idol]

To do these operations

[tall torrent]

U gotta understand that reject strike teams are sort of like special suicide squads that are supposed to be inserted where enemy resistance is weakest

[terse idol]

They can also get comissioned

[teal abyss]

The existence of that game makes me so angry because it’s total inaccessible garbage that’s also not available on console but whenever someone asks for a Space Marine/Terminator game other than the Titus one everyone just goes “Just play Space Hulk” lol like no thank you

[obtuse raft]

Or maybe just not dumb enough to refuse a inquisitior

[terse idol]

This is the lore we gave now

[terse idol]

They have incredible power

[strange sparrow]

Do they get comissioned and it's a must for Rogue trader?

[swift ingot]

if an inquisitor wants something from you, you are advised to accept

[terse idol]

I mean Brahm could literally tell us to get fucked and jetison us out

They are likely close or above the inquisition

[tall torrent]

Grendyl probably promised Brahms to have atoma prime under her control once the inquisition is done with their business

[terse idol]

No but seemingly Brahm and Grendyl have history

[strange sparrow]

They're certainly above inquisition to a certain extend especially in Lore wise

[terse idol]

The rogue trader could decline

[strange sparrow]

Considering they could, actually work with xenos officially

[terse idol]

But she is getting payed for this

[strange sparrow]

[crisp bronze]

The 21st are honestly a pretty sick concept. A guard regiment focused on amphibious ambush tactics is fairly unique. They just got forced into fighting in the worst possible place in the sector (for their skillset) aside from any desert planets or death worlds.

[tall torrent]

Brahms is really not happy with the inquisitorial warband

[terse idol]

So its better for both of them

[obtuse raft]

Hallowette works for her and is constantly talking about scooping up businesses and loot in the rubble

[terse idol]

Well and they weren't expecting to get betrayed by the 6th

[swift ingot]

You don’t just say no to the Inquisition

[terse idol]

Rogue traders are

Incredibly powerful

[strange sparrow]

Space Wolf do it casually

[terse idol]

They can

[strange sparrow]

not like they just

yeet a bunch of grey knight

into death

[terse idol]

Like shipmasters and shipmistresses literally come down from a blood line to explore the galaxy by rite of the emperor

[swift ingot]

That bit was kind stupid tbh

[strange sparrow]

Inquisition are like that tbh

[crisp oak]

I doubt grendyl has as much influence as the idiot attacking a founding chapter

[teal abyss]

Hallowette would get executed within 15 fuckin minutes I just recently heard the line where Hadron advises her that trading with Xenos is forbidden and she just goes “I’ve been advised, now toddle on😘” god she’s so annoying

[strange sparrow]

They're so fucked in the concept

[terse idol]

I mean look at it this way

[strange sparrow]

See Chaos = Death

[terse idol]

If youre on a rogue traders ship

[strange sparrow]

So those civilian must die

[terse idol]

Its an honor

[crisp oak]

Rogue traders can trade with xenos

[swift ingot]

Grendyl asked for her assistance and she has something to gain shrimple

[crisp oak]

As per their charter from the high lords

[terse idol]

Yeah money

[teal abyss]

Hallowettes not a rogue trader, she only works for one

[terse idol]

Or paying off a favour

[crisp oak]

Rogue trader retinue

[teal abyss]

If Brahms is willing to die to keep Hallowette safe that’s a different story

[terse idol]

She is protected under the rogue trader suffice it to say

[midnight totem]

You know what's the best space hulk?

[strange sparrow]

Also We probably can't fight against GeneStealer

[swift ingot]

Or bringing Atoma prime under her control

[teal abyss]

If you say the friends we made along the way I’m gonna bolt you

[wanton dawn]

Man, enemies density seems through the roof those last maelstrom

[terse idol]

We can fight jean stealer cults

We are practically a kill team and I stand by that

[strange sparrow]

I mean Cults have Gene Stealer Boss

[crisp oak]

I had fun when I did makice quickplay and spawned in and there was a reaper

[strange sparrow]

What's the generation thingy again

[terse idol]

Yeah who are just gene stealer cultist leaders

[strange sparrow]

where they have a generation of really really fuck and strong

[terse idol]

They could be actual nids

Or they're gene stealer people

[crisp bronze]

There are Ork warbands that work as mercenaries for whoever offers the biggest fight and they have been hired by Rogue Traders.

[crisp oak]

If it was nids it would be hard to hide, and wpuld fuck with nurgle

[terse idol]

Trade with nids

I mean teed

Teef

Sorry they trade teef

[crisp oak]

Teef is ork

[terse idol]

Yeah for teeth

[swift ingot]

FREEBOOTAS!!!

[midnight totem]

@teal abyss this was best space hulk

[serene bough]

freebooter dlc confirmed

[strange sparrow]

Generation 5 is a full flecth boss and

[serene bough]

cant wait to play an ork

[obtuse raft]

By "lore" we shouldn't even be able to get within 6 feet of half the enemy roster. Basic guardsman have been flanderized so hard they aren't allowed to be able to win against any other faction for muh authenticity

[terse idol]

Hmm? Wdym?

[strange sparrow]

5th generation

[obtuse raft]

The power scaling doesn't matter that much

[crisp oak]

Alloettes the name

[wanton dawn]

jean stealer ?

[tall torrent]

Also I’m pretty sure darktide is in 42nd millenium but we may be under warp fuckery that Brahms still mentions “it is the 41st millenium”

[strange sparrow]

Yes Jean Stealer

[terse idol]

Like the existance of gene stealer cults supposes that the gene stealers have already infected people and over many years they start to exhibit nid traits

[crisp oak]

Yup

Like zola being a licker

[terse idol]

They aren't technically nids but this is how it would be logical for us to fight GSC

[teal abyss]

Exactly lol that one story cutscene those 4 random guardsmen just completely lose their mind when they see those symbols in the traitors dorm but we go past like 50 symbols a match lmao

[strange sparrow]

5th can fight space marine thou which is yeah...

[crisp oak]

Would also explain why the karnaks are as tall as orgyn

[tall torrent]

Zola is almost gonna get her career ended from the botched orthus offensive

[strange sparrow]

And only by 4th generation you get rebellion

[terse idol]

Well wait I thought they just got sick

[midnight totem]

It's okay. We have ogryns

[crisp oak]

She has stolen jeans

[terse idol]

Because of the fart gas

The runes didn't matter

[crisp oak]

Runes make you go nutty too

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[teal abyss]

I mean they all start kind of holding their head and Rannick (who isn’t wearing a mask) is unaffected soooo I assumed they were weak minded and he wasn’t

[terse idol]

It depends on who's writing

[obtuse raft]

I interpreted that scene as the runes getting to them yeah

[terse idol]

We're stronger than the guardmen

[strange sparrow]

Do you know that Gene Stealer can also have Ogryn (Aberrants)

[swift ingot]

Also named characters in 40k syndrome

[tall torrent]

Rannick is actually the most competent guy onboard the mourningstar lol

[midnight totem]

Though, imagine fighting a purestrain in game. I'd give it carapace armor, faster then a wager. Pox hound physics

[terse idol]

Again we killed the twins

We are a kill team

[strange sparrow]

This fuck guy

[crisp bronze]

Honestly an excellent move by GW and Fatshark to have this game involve us working for both the Inquisition and a Rogue Trader. Let's them justify just about any heresy the characters might say (Some inquisitors are very leniant same with Rogue Traders) while also letting us get our hands on a lot of gear we really shouldn't have access too.

[midnight totem]

As much damage as a mauler

[crisp oak]

I mean morrow does his job

[strange sparrow]

[terse idol]

Maybe

[swift ingot]

I mean there’s a reason he’s Grendyl’s interrogator

[midnight totem]

Looks like my plasma gun is going to see a lot more use

[obtuse raft]

That's sorta what I mean in a way.
Like there is essentially 0 consistency in Warhammer and people still treat every word as cut in stone irrefutable canon

[terse idol]

Morrow is as far as we know from his jacket former Steel Legion

Hes good

[tall torrent]

Morrow is fine but Rannick’s mere existence is enough to install fear and respect

Brahms doesn’t like him

[crisp oak]

True

[terse idol]

Even though Rannick cares about us 🥹

Which says something about the things he done

[midnight totem]

They do say he's from Armageddon

[strange sparrow]

My problem is probably just Genestealer have so many variant and just copy pasting Generation 4th Jean Stealer are just reskin tbh

[crisp oak]

My veteran said ranbick iced a hive

[terse idol]

There is the dialogue that says that there's many rumors that float about him

[strange sparrow]

because they act and behave like normal enemy

[crisp oak]

So...

[tall torrent]

Yk for a regiment called “steel legion” they sure wear very little armor on themselves

[strange sparrow]

While 5th Jean Stealer and Aberrant is where the fun should be

[midnight totem]

Brahms is a RT. Working for an inquisition cramps her style

[obtuse raft]

It's in reference to the abs

[crisp oak]

Dont need armor when you are in a tank

[strange sparrow]

(Imagine 5th Generation Jean Stealer steal your friend)

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/leman-russ-tank-dawn-of-war-warhhammer40k-astra-militarum-imperial-guard-gif-22297998

[swift ingot]

And was in a shit ton of battles that he wouldn’t have been able to be at because he’d be ancient, as well as getting necron tech shoved in his head and getting lost in the warp for god knows how long

[tall torrent]

That’s the supposed reason for it but then again rejects are not in tanks

[strange sparrow]

and teleport him somewhere and 1less wounds now

[terse idol]

Part of me doesn't believe he fought necron

Again alot of rumors

[crisp oak]

I mean he is the master at arms for an inquisitor capable of moving a rogue trader

[terse idol]

Even our characters say as much

[crisp oak]

He might be wildin

[strange sparrow]

I mean he fought at second battle of Armageddon isn't it

[terse idol]

He could be!

[swift ingot]

Morrow is him

[junior needle]

The psykers do mention he has a very old soul

[swift ingot]

Simple as that

[terse idol]

I interpreted that as "he's old"

[crisp oak]

He assumedly has access to rejuvinate treatment

[terse idol]

Maybe he's

An inevitable

Or whatever it's called

That might break the canon but

[crisp oak]

So he could be 400-1000 years old assuming not perpetual

[strange sparrow]

Also, could had trap in the warp

which is another thing

Warp run their time differently, so

[crisp oak]

Trazyn caught him

[swift ingot]

Perpetual? No, he was there for all those battles mentioned and most likely got stuck in the warp

[crisp bronze]

Zola steals a dropship and forms a kill team for an unsactioned assassination mission (this would get you court marshalled IRL let alone 40k) and when Rannick finds out he asks her for the reasoning and when she can't come up with a reasonable answer he dismisses her and tries to salvage the mess she made. He just does his job.

[crisp oak]

He had to escape, hence fighting necrons.

[strange sparrow]

Time in 40k is confusing because GW suck with their writer

and they implement Warp system where time doesn't exist

[terse idol]

Oh

Yeah

I mean its speculation, but maybe it is all true

Which whew

That's gonna blow me mind up

It depends on what it means when a psyker said "they're an old soul"

[crisp oak]

He might be a perpetual, but unlikely

[strange sparrow]

The soul live a long time

[swift ingot]

It’s highly unlikely

[strange sparrow]

you know that's how you define old

[terse idol]

You could say that about Brahms

She' may as well be 400

With augments

[strange sparrow]

Yea perpetual are hunted within Imperium

[terse idol]

Rogue traders live a looong time because money

[sharp ember]

interrogator rannick is a real one for trying to salvage the rogue operation, even if he cares less about our lives and more about the morale effects of us dying to a planned ambush

[terse idol]

Hunted? Really?

[crisp oak]

If morrow is a perpetual, then he would probably be grendyl

[strange sparrow]

Also that would mean He already meet emperor of Mankind