veteran-class

[white minnow]

though i don't think that's too much of a problem since maps don't have sections that are too linear

[frank ether]

ammo crates fully restock anyways so you cant buff that further

[terse idol]

At that point you leave it to player behaviour

Which imo is better

[white minnow]

so you can always go down split paths and look through chests

[obtuse crypt]

is weapon specailsit woth going for?

[terse idol]

If you wan tto win the game you gotta work together and share ammo

[white minnow]

cuz there are already a bunch of chests with a whole lotta nothing in them

[terse idol]

now the issue becomes people who just don't care

[cunning holly]

Anything below 370 is going to be a bad find in a while 💿

[crisp bronze]

The Graia Braced Autogun with the 25% more ammo Talent and a max ammo roll has exactly 999 rounds of ammo it's pretty hilarious getting 10 bullets back for every Elite and Special. It's the closest you can get to infinite ammo and still be effective ever since they nerfed the Recon Lasguns.

[frank ether]

I believe the ammo crates should have had visual ques to represent how many ''ticks'' are left before its fully used

I dont think DT players are ready to the concept of

sharing ammo

[terse idol]

well they gotta

Just like in Vermintide

[frank ether]

partially games fault for not communicating this well

[terse idol]

That or you add in ammo boxes

[tranquil bronze]

Is the item level cap gonna be raised or something?

[terse idol]

Like in vermintide

[white minnow]

i'm of the opinion that it won't be as bad as it seems to just have only ammo pickups

[terse idol]

That might actually help

[white minnow]

esp if they're going to be more plentiful

[serene sage]

But but I run field improv so I can keak nade the BoN 6 times

I'm helping

[white minnow]

one player can grief but they can't possibly explore all side paths before their other teammates can

[serene sage]

You're welcome 🤗

[terse idol]

We fight for the next medicaid anyways, so it makes sense that we also fight to the next ammo crate

[frank ether]

lmao

[terse idol]

then it turns into RNG fight

[serene sage]

Honestly people have been very very civil about Medicae

[terse idol]

If you go into the wrong path boom

[frank ether]

medicaes should have been like checkpoints

[terse idol]

yeah

[frank ether]

but they dont even get guaranteed 4 charges

[terse idol]

So they can add in ammo boxes

[serene sage]

In fact adversely not taking the charges

[frank ether]

sometimes you walk up to medicae and

no boxes

[serene sage]

For whatever reason

[frank ether]

1 charge

[terse idol]

It's the main medicaids

That always seem to have 4

Not the side ones

The ones before bosses

The one's before the last big objective

[umbral scaffold]

Depending on the visual cue, I'd honestly rather just have a number saying the amount of uses left

[neat stratus]

Yeah, hardly anyone purposely takes a charge if they don't need it

[crisp bronze]

This but with Ogryn Nuke and it suddenly becomes not a meme and in fact let's Ogryn and Vet duo the Twins Hard Mode lol.

[serene sage]

Main ones should have 4
They said in a patch not they nerfed the side ones

[umbral scaffold]

I remember Payday 2 having a more immersive way by having the ammo bag slowly become emptier, but I couldn't really tell how many uses were left

[serene sage]

Yeah props to the community, at least

We do this well, for the vast majority of times

[neat stratus]

Theres been more times where the entire party has refused to take them than there has been instances of purposeful stealing in my experience

[white minnow]

and in pubs, i don't really get teammates that explore side paths

so if you're willing to explore side paths, i doubt ammo will be troubling for you

[serene sage]

There are conflicting reports tbh

Some people complain teammates stray too far for plasteel

[frank ether]

All I'll say is

whatever you do with ammo

[serene sage]

Some people call it "rushing"

[frank ether]

just don't fuck over sharpshooter vet further

than how fucked it already is

[serene sage]

Remove survivalist, exec stance now shits out 10% ammo on use

[obtuse crypt]

is weaponspecialist good?

[glacial yacht]

yea

[frank ether]

or just build survivalist into exec

so you only have it if you're running exec

Idk there are problems with exec rn

many problems

[umbral scaffold]

The embarrassment from getting told by another teammate “all that for a scratch” or when you gobble up too much ammo is a good deterrent

[frank ether]

the amount of bolter complaints here suggests to me otherwise lol

or the stereotypical plasma vet

usually ppl are nice

[shadow aurora]

Currently best keystone

[neat stratus]

Any way to stop getting put into servers on other planets

[serene sage]

What complaints?

[umbral scaffold]

I have the UI mod it’ll always let me know if I’m wasting ammo or not by grabbing pickups

[frank ether]

Usually about ammo

[serene sage]

Uh can't you choose the server you want to play on in the Mission selection screen?

[neat stratus]

I dont think

[crisp bronze]

If Executioner's Stance and Infiltrate had a grenade regen Talent above them like VoC I feel like it would open up the tree a little at least. You could have Demo Team above Exe Stance and give us a new regen Talent above Infiltrate.

[shadow aurora]

I just want bolter to not use 2 ammo on hipfire

[umbral scaffold]

Mission terminal options on the bottom right @neat stratus

[serene sage]

It's okay, not a lot of people do anyways

[umbral scaffold]

Select your server and whichever is closest

[neat stratus]

Ah we can

[serene sage]

Why it's cool

[frank ether]

I can reach grenade regen on my exec builds, I think my problem is just exec being a shitty management blitz on top of also managing marksman keystone

[shadow aurora]

Chews through ammo to quickly. Either that or i want more ammo. Seems only fair

[neat stratus]

Ive been set to the right server, its just saying no ig

[serene sage]

It's the perfect amount to one tap hipfire gunners on body shots though

[frank ether]

exec and MF just don't work the same way even on weapons you'd think would work well with the setup

[shadow aurora]

Ill shoot twice then

[frank ether]

like I can bayonet a mutie to refresh my exec

but oh no I'm losing marksman stacks

fuck that

[shadow aurora]

Its an auto weapon

[frank ether]

I'm not playing that stupid game

[serene sage]

But my satisfaction 😔

[shadow aurora]

No more. Alllll mine

So much ammoooo

Mmmm

[umbral scaffold]

Bolter burst isn’t too bad just know when you need to use it and have fire discipline

[shadow aurora]

But when i need to get my right keystone back up for my shovel i have to ads not to waste ammo on the trash im about to blast

And thats tedious

[frank ether]

kinda undestand the frustration

bolter burst is questionable to me aswell

given its current state

very much designed around one shotting things and conserving ammo

[serene sage]

I use both modes

[frank ether]

I just feel obligated to ADS it as much as I can because of the burst

[serene sage]

I think it's fun to learn when to ads and when to hipfire

[shadow aurora]

Im just waiting for my bolt pistol so i can stop using bolter on that build. To slow to take out

[serene sage]

Kinda like shotties

[frank ether]

I'd like a boltpistol

[crisp bronze]

I get grenade regen on all my builds too but it would be nice to have you know? Right now VoC is the obvious and most efficient choice because every build grabs nade regen and VoC is right there. If Demo Team was above Exe Stance or Infiltrate it would make it easier to grab them and maybe not grab Demo Stockpile. It would save some points for the point sinks that Exe Stance and Infiltrate are.

[sleek minnow]

Is there like a veteran build guide in this discord ?

[frank ether]

I agree but I don't believe its the main issue with exec

[shrewd tulip]

1 more week till store rotation right?

[frank ether]

I think infiltrate's +1 grenade could be changed with demo stockpile

but then you just split them further away

now my exec build can't reach it you know?

[shadow aurora]

Something like that. Itll be old stuff tho

[torpid sundial]

give bolter 50% more ammo

[shadow aurora]

Ha

No

[torpid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/930952645097701417.webp?size=48&name=Copium&quality=lossless

aww cmon game it couldve been good

[frank ether]

nobody has the patience to write a new veteranomicon every month so no

[neat stratus]

Give us a new bolter, preferably a blue variant so we can brrr

Distinct lack of bolter in this "Warhammer" game ngl

[rough cobalt]

Which perk is better when using Kantreal la lasgun (shock trooper or superiority complex)?

[shadow aurora]

Are you running survivalist

[rough cobalt]

yes

[shadow aurora]

Run complex

[neat stratus]

Walk complex

[rough cobalt]

Thanks

[shadow aurora]

Crawl complex

[rough cobalt]

Swim complex

[serene sage]

Fly complex

[terse idol]

gonna say the funny thing ad infinitum

Not good but good enough for stonks

68 is fine

But recon isn't rn

🥹

[torpid sundial]

the 15% carapace damage too

like I'll do 1.15 damage instead of 1 per bullet

Its okay I'll still (try to) use recon on normal damnation

[frank ether]

its a recon

its joever anyways

move on

[torpid sundial]

I refuse I like it

[frank ether]

my condolences

you have reconitis

its terminal

[covert folio]

what should I replace on this columus? I'm guessing ranged damage > flak but dunno what else

[lusty jetty]

Do +3 stam curios actualyl exist for vets or am I just really unlucky

[frank ether]

ranged damage groaner to maniac or flak

[wraith locust]

i would do groaners to flak and your choice to dumdum

[frank ether]

carapace actually isnt bad if you're running onslaught I guess

and personally I would replace fire frenzy with dumdum

[covert folio]

ty

[tall torrent]

Unlucky

[frank ether]

yea just unlucky

+3's exist

I guess only veteran cares so much about them

[lusty jetty]

i get +3s on my zealot like crazy

only ever seen +2 on vet

at 30+69 now

[frank ether]

you're just unlucky or aren't as terminally online as others

[lusty jetty]

lol

i've only ever gambled them from melk also

[tall torrent]

Don’t gamble on melk

Waste of resources

[frank ether]

well you can get them on requisition

I wouldnt gamble

even though melk bucks are rarely useful

you never know when something good can show up

[lusty jetty]

well that's exactly it

i have 8000 melk bux and have seen 0 things worth getting

not even for a tier iv blessing

[frank ether]

I have just never gotten anything useful out of melk gamble

not even once

not even on fresh alts

[shadow aurora]

Melk gamble exists only for you to see go "oh neat" use once, get disappointed, and never use ever again.

[frank ether]

Would be more useful to have a blessing shop instead

let me pay melk bucks to unlock a random blessing I dont already own you know?

that would be immensely useful

[shadow aurora]

5 tier ones in a row for a weapon you dont use

[terse idol]

maybe if I could

Trade t1 blessings for something better...

[frank ether]

still useful

for one day I might use that weapon

[shadow aurora]

Tier one blessings?

[frank ether]

even if it gives me tier one

that still increases odds

for future rolls to be good

still a better design

than what we have

[shadow aurora]

For you to get tier two

[frank ether]

yes, still good

[terse idol]

or like the t2

[thick needle]

Question for y'all

Trying to build big ammo saving for the Recon Lasgun

[terse idol]

Uh

[shadow aurora]

Shock trooper doesnt work

[thick needle]

Is Deadshot just completly useless for that

[shadow aurora]

Take survivalist

[terse idol]

you don't want deadshot with recon

Deadshot is better for semi auto's imo

[shadow aurora]

I hate deadshot

[thick needle]

Ye that's what it looked like

Cause from what I can google

Veteran has 2 stamina

[terse idol]

well

That and like

I would test it with recon, but FS nerfed recon's crit chain

[shadow aurora]

If stamina cost scaled with shot damage thatd be cool

[terse idol]

How... I dunno

It just doens't really have good crit chains

You could test it to see

But youll burn through sooooooooooooooooooooo much stamina

[thick needle]

So just screw Shock Trooper altogether for Recon?

[unique sorrel]

recon is spendy no matter what

[shadow aurora]

Yeah it doesnt work because fartshart are stinky and lame

[sleek minnow]

Is this good ?

[shadow aurora]

Yes

Could be better

[thick needle]

I'm still level 18 learning Veteran as a Zealot main

Recon Lasgun has been really funny so far

[sleek minnow]

I just turned lvl 30 and bought this from the armory

[shadow aurora]

Youll get there eventually.

[sleek minnow]

Is it worth investing or nah ?

[woven coral]

does deadshot still activate when you go down to 0% stamina?

[shadow aurora]

Yes very much so

[woven coral]

or is it only as long as you have some stamina left

[crude ermine]

No

[woven coral]

oh so it's not very good for high rate of fire guns then?

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[thick needle]

Guessing it's for like
the Zarona alone

[crude ermine]

Only single rate like revolver n shit

[woven coral]

alright thanks 🍻

[sleek minnow]

What build do you think is good for veteran like the main weapon like bolt gun , plasma or any other weapon ?

[terse idol]

Shock trooper had been nerfed, now it has an internal cooldown so

[sleek minnow]

I’m looking for an all around good weapon that will take me far and that can do all content if possible

[terse idol]

It won't make enough ammo back for a lasgun

[crude ermine]

I'd say weapons specialist

Or focus target

[thick needle]

So just max all other ammo talents and forget crits

[sleek minnow]

So I’m not familiar with these builds?

[terse idol]

honestly i'd kinda say toss recon, but! if you want to uh
Yeah basically

[crude ermine]

Ok so for focus

You just mark

[sour prairie]

Spam ping 😭

[shadow aurora]

You can make almost any gun work but if i WERE to recommend a weapon id recommend you the columnus mk 2 braced autogun

[crude ermine]

Oh you meant weapons

[sleek minnow]

Yeah

[crude ermine]

I thought you meant keystone

[sleek minnow]

I heard plasma and bolt is pretty good rn but will that get all content done ?

[crude ermine]

Please do not my offspring will die

[shadow aurora]

Plasma is good bolt not the greatest

[thick needle]

I know that the CIA is peak
However
Lasgun is just funny brrrrrrr

[sour prairie]

now i will

[jolly hemlock]

you can get any content with any weapon done

[terse idol]

well maybe not recon but lmao

Yes

[thick needle]

Also I don't think I unlocked the CIA yet lol

[crude ermine]

Plasma is brain-dead levels of easy once you get the feel of it

[serene sage]

Just wait until the FBI gets involved

[serene sage]

Plasma brain

[thick needle]

Aw, is the Recon considered really bad?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[jolly hemlock]

no

[terse idol]

Yeah I mean don't let it stop you from playing it

[terse idol]

[grizzled lynx]

Does plasma need certain blessings more than most? I feel like a simple left click often leaves spealist or gunner at 1 hp

[terse idol]

But it is under performing

[thick needle]

Aw

[jolly hemlock]

dude i play auric maelstrom with it cant be bad then

[grizzled lynx]

or is 2 tapping pretty common and acceptable

[terse idol]

It is terrible

[serene sage]

Yes if you're a normal players
OP if you want to be a YTber making hot takes.

[thick needle]

I'll enjoy it while it lasts then

[terse idol]

I'm sorry but like

[jolly hemlock]

it took a heavy hit yes

[crude ermine]

All it really needs is blaze away and gets hot

Really it

I wouldn't say it's power cycler or surge levels of high need blessings

[sleek minnow]

Do you think bolt or plasma is better ?

[crude ermine]

Plasma

[grizzled lynx]

i see a lot of build recommending volatile

[terse idol]

You're gonna use double the ammo, do twice the work with a recon, if you enjoy it that's fine

[crude ermine]

No question

[grizzled lynx]

is that any good

[terse idol]

Its hard not to bash on it saddly

[crude ermine]

It's nice

[grizzled lynx]

cuz i got this at melk

[crude ermine]

But typically the other two I mentioned are better and more consistent

[crude ermine]

Pretty good for a melk item

[thick needle]

Zero recoil is just funny
"HEY SHITASS" BBBRRRRRRRRR

[grizzled lynx]

i dont have any good plasma guns tbh so i might just get this and use

[crude ermine]

If you have nothing better go right ahead

[grizzled lynx]

kind of modify it while waiting for a better one

what does volatile do exactly?

[crude ermine]

Charge speed on low overheat

Stacks up to 5

[grizzled lynx]

charge as in holding right click?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[gilded wraith]

Run to Surgical, Weak Spot to Flak or Cara?

[sour prairie]

Revolver

[grizzled lynx]

i see, i rarely use charge - only for orgyns

[crude ermine]

Flak

[gilded wraith]

Thank you!

[crude ermine]

Np, either or are good but you'll see a lot more flak enemies

[tranquil bronze]

So I was told that anything below 370 is worthless and just don't bother with them

[crude ermine]

And with HC you can just two shot crushers with the right Crit orientation

[torpid sundial]

if the low stat is a dump stat its still usable

[grizzled lynx]

not true

[gilded wraith]

Depends on the stat distribution.

[crude ermine]

Yeah

I've had 340's that had perfect stat distribute but 370's+ that had damage as a dump

[sour prairie]

i would take flak damage

[tranquil bronze]

So this is generally a good usable one?

[sour prairie]

over any other because ragers in flak armor

[tranquil bronze]

I plan on changing that blessing to Deadly Accurate

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[grizzled lynx]

pretty good given u only have 3

[tranquil bronze]

Oh wow not a bad consecrate

[crude ermine]

Then just hope you get lucky that your perks aren't terrible and you're good

Yeah that's not bad

Not great but not bad

[tranquil bronze]

What perk do you think I should swap out. I was told earlier to keep the ranged damage one.

I do plan on having one of the perks for Flak

[crude ermine]

I'd say swap weak spot

[rapid hedge]

Guys is it worth having 20% health curio or is it best to have all 3 on 17% toughness ?

[crude ermine]

I'd say have two toughness and a health or vice versa

My preference on it

[sour prairie]

Toughness is good to have

[tranquil bronze]

I plan on swapping that Blessing for this

[rapid hedge]

Ye thats what im running rn

[crude ermine]

Very good blessing

[crude ermine]

Next you'll want headhunter

[sour prairie]

should I?

[tranquil bronze]

Hoping that next consecrate gives me headhunter, but probably not likely.

[crude ermine]

Low finesse tho

[grizzled lynx]

behold my new meme weapon

[sour prairie]

yea nvm

[crude ermine]

Despite that it'll still preform extremely well

[rapid hedge]

I basically have 205 toughness and 203 health but i still feel squishy lol. Not sure if it would be better if i had 17% more toughness and 20% less health instead.

[sour prairie]

this is what ive been working with for a bit i never changed out truma

[grizzled lynx]

oh, really? i thought its gonna say good bye to a lot of break points

[crude ermine]

You will lose SOME but holding it down and charging it will help you break those points barely

I think at least, that's what Im hoping

[grizzled lynx]

ill actually test them out

i dont hold right click like ever

[crude ermine]

It allows you to do a lot more damage than uncharged

[sour prairie]

im the only vet

[grizzled lynx]

right, i just dont like that it will raise my heat level too high

tyvm though!

@crude ermine

[crude ermine]

Np

You know how to cool it right?

[grizzled lynx]

yeah, i think u just get way more uncharged shots off. Also read from a guide that basically you shouldnt use charged shots unless you are killing something like mutants, ogyrns and so on

but what you said makes sense. If I can ignore those break points with some micro on my end it still might be really good

[sleek minnow]

How should I go about this weapon like modding it and stuff

[crude ermine]

Yeah

Hmm

Finess is low but if you have nothing else Go for it

[grizzled lynx]

i normally just upgrade to blue and see if you got nice blessings with it

[grizzled lynx]

if 2 lines u get r good keep going

[thick rose]

does wrath work or would you rather get sweep on there?

[crude ermine]

Both are fine but SS is my preferred because you just need to hit a bunch of enemies

No need to worrying about missing accidentally

[frank ether]

just comes down to preference

I also like that and rampage

[thick rose]

ive seen people say the new chainsword struggles with sweep compared to wrath?

that right?

[sour prairie]

now i just need a new helm

[frank ether]

I didnt play enough chsword to judge but I'd assume it takes a bit more effort with it

since it doesnt have the widest attacks

[thick rose]

guess I could hedge, get ramp on there and leave %elite for now see if wrath is ok. haven't had a good chainsword before so havent got much experiance with them.

[hardy ember]

Need that scion armor they datamined

[terse idol]

Hell heah, I mean I can see it being alright vs poxwalkers

If it had more ammo economy it would actually maybe be okay for that job, it's cool!

[plucky cosmos]

what blessings should i use on the new shovels?

[crude ermine]

You could go with thrust and decimator

[plucky cosmos]

and which one is more fun to use? only looked at the in the training area

[old furnace]

Should I pick up the Transcendent? Blessings are great but the mods are not 🤔

Apologies for the picture quality. Just snapped it on my phone.

[terse idol]

I wouldn't but I would take gets hot

43stopping power is mega low

But you could try the right one

If you just never charge

[raw steppe]

I wouldn't

because the stats are trash

just roll one from brunt

[crude ermine]

I prefer 3

But the blue one is also nice

Really is preference

[shadow aurora]

God mg XII las is nuts

The headshot damage goes wild

[plucky cosmos]

thats the single target on, right?

[shadow aurora]

Using it on a no keystone ex stance build and everything just immediately dies

[crude ermine]

Yes, mk III

[crisp rapids]

salvageable?

[shadow aurora]

Its green

[random tulip]

any good builds i can do with a 528 chainaxe and 549 Kanteel MG la infantry Lasgun

[crisp rapids]

yeah but what do i want on it?

[old furnace]

Surprisingly that profane one I rolled from Brunt. I'll probably pick up the left one so I can get the blessing. Thanks+

[shadow aurora]

Well definitely not weak spot id take block eff over that

[crisp rapids]

what good shovel be?

[sleek minnow]

That’s what I got

[crude ermine]

Not sure how rampage is on the new chainsword tbh

[random tulip]

any good build for executioners stance or VOC?

[shadow aurora]

Decimater and uncanny strike is good

Pair with flak

[crisp rapids]

for shoevl?

[shadow aurora]

For shovel

[crisp rapids]

🙏 i'll try

[bright ocean]

What are the dump stats for the Helbore 1?

[random tulip]

any good build for executioners stance or VOC?

[shadow aurora]

Whatre you rocking rn?

[serene sage]

After some considerations, I think it's generally bad that children have cancer.

[shadow aurora]

Oh really?

[random tulip]

a 528 chainaxe and 549 Kanteel MG la infantry Lasgun

[serene sage]

Yup

[shadow aurora]

Meant your tree turt

[serene sage]

Feel free to debate but you won't change my mind

[shadow aurora]

What do you think of world hunger hm?

[atomic zephyr]

solvable w/ corpse starch

[serene sage]

I'll have to think about it.

[atomic zephyr]

next

[shadow aurora]

Ok

[rapid hedge]

man im starting to feel like 80% damage and 80% stopping power on plasma gun doesn't exists 💀

[random tulip]

currently using 2x infill and 8x focus trying to branch my builds, for any sit

[shadow aurora]

Doesnt have to be perfect

[serene sage]

It does, just not when you roll for it

[rapid hedge]

D:

[terse idol]

@raw steppe were you using long shot for the elite BP

On dredge gunners

[serene sage]

Dreg

[shadow aurora]

K gimme a sec i can conjure something up for you

[raw steppe]

probably i dont remember

you need to stack a few different things

for it to consistently one-shot

[rapid hedge]

the highest any gear can roll is 380 right?

[shadow aurora]

Btw whats focus @random tulip i forgot

I cant keep track of all the names

[random tulip]

+4% Additional dam per stack

after tagging a target

[rapid hedge]

so the perfect god roll would be four 80's and one 60 on that weapon's particular dump stat?

[shadow aurora]

Right mb

[hollow ibex]

pretty much, unless a weapon doesn't have a dump stat

[random tulip]

correct

[frank ether]

defence is not that important

oops, wrong reply

[random tulip]

highest total score is 550

[rapid hedge]

aite so basically

is there any point for me to try and roll for a better power sword ?

[random tulip]

honestly

[rapid hedge]

like will the difference be worth it compared to getting 60% on mobility

lol

[shadow aurora]

Okay i got something that should work for you turt ill send over dms in a sec xbox to cloud is slow

[random tulip]

ok

here

[shadow aurora]

You want me to post it here?

[random tulip]

check DM

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[rapid hedge]

wait xbox has discord o_O?

[shadow aurora]

No

Xbox to cloud. Image downloading

[rapid hedge]

oh lol

[crude fiber]

vs my old one

[shadow aurora]

You can connect to discord parties through xbox tho

Which is neat

[rapid hedge]

damn das a nice axe

[crude fiber]

i can now 1 shot both brutes

[rapid hedge]

this is mine @crude fiber xD

[crude fiber]

too bad not 0% damage, would inverse the integer and 1 shot everything

[rapid hedge]

ikr i was just wondering that

i remember in rainbow six siege i think, one dude dropped elo purposely when he finally went below 0 it inversed and gave him 9999 mmr and he was basically #1 globally

[terse idol]

No way he hit the buffer overload

[unborn dove]

What’s the difference between all the Infantry Autoguns?

[shadow aurora]

Fire rate and damage mostly

[serene sage]

pagchomp?

[wraith locust]

the columnus is extremely good

the rest are decent

[raw steppe]

you trade off between damage, ranged fall-off, and weapon handling

[white minnow]

columnus has the highest close range DPS and best mobility but lowest total damage per mag and worse damage falloff

agri and graia have the same DPS and armour damage modifiers, and their differences are just breakpoints

[ruby totem]

So how've the new weapon mks stood up since the patch? (TC pt2)

[wooden lotus]

columnus DPS ends up being insane to eclipse the other two in terms of putting down fire

especially since it benefits most from dum-dum, fire frenzy and raking fire

lowest damage per mag starts to matter less when you do so much dps regardless

[serene sage]

this looks semi bricked to me

right?

[midnight totem]

I mean

Its going to destroy hordes

[wooden lotus]

looks perfectly good to me tbh

it still one-shots maulers and crushers with enough damage perks, that's what i run

elite damage + bring it down + that one melee finesse node still chunks em

[serene sage]

sounds good

i don't actually play this game

i just pretend that I do

[wooden lotus]

and yeah

it explodes hordes

[serene sage]

I want to grow the horde like a bacterial colony

And sell it on etsy as an art project

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[sour prairie]

i sure do love murking htem

them

[obtuse raft]

teach me your secrets of getting items without playing the game

[tall torrent]

Change Skullcrusher & poxer dmg

It’s fine

[serene sage]

coo, i will change the shovel perk/bless and then keep using my same melee weapon

[frank ether]

mm surgical on braced revolvo

[lusty jetty]

huh

[frank ether]

not that good probably

[south garnet]

tweaked everything to work great, I'm locked in at 120 frames no matter what I do now, woohoo

[frank ether]

nice

what made you the most difference

[south garnet]

Switching the super resolution to quality instead of automatic helped a lot with rubberbanding frames which makes sense, but I wasn't expecting

[frank ether]

I dont use any kind of upscaler personally

since I'm on 1080P

[south garnet]

I also set a frame lock at 120 and toyed around with some of the AO/light quality

[frank ether]

though I don't have DLSS to begin with

I'm an AyyMD peasant

[south garnet]

But ATM it's running silky smooth at 120

[frank ether]

thats nice

I also set it to 120 fps lock

very smoof

kind of weird game doesnt have options for like

144, 165, 240 etc

even though most ppl cant see those frames

[south garnet]

honestly it's not worth the cash for high end consumer components unless you're doing actual rendering or something

gaming there's essentially no difference when you get down to it

[frank ether]

I just snagged a used 6800xt

for really cheap

probably ex-miner card

[south garnet]

I will say it's nice to have if you have the cash to burn, but it's just that: burning it

I hate it when people call consumer PCs "investments" lol

[frank ether]

I took a gamble and it worked for me

[south garnet]

Yea the vast majority of the PCs I've built have been cobbled together frankensteins

[frank ether]

I wanted good gpu but just don't have the cash for high end brand new gpu

[south garnet]

It's not a bad way to go about it, build to fit

What surprised me was with super resolution on I can now actually see shit at a distance lmao

[frank ether]

best way to go about it

My only rule of thumb is to

buy PSUs brand new

[south garnet]

I played with 0 AA of any kind whatsoever

[frank ether]

also buy watercoolers brand new if its time to renew it

those two I don't play around with

[south garnet]

I just don't even fuss with watercoolers anymore, as easy as it is now

[frank ether]

yeah automatic resolution just never clicked with me

if you gotta use upscalers better be at a fixed setting

[south garnet]

YEA exactly

[frank ether]

amd also has that automatic resolution thing and its so ugly

[south garnet]

Fucking sucks lol

[frank ether]

I don't understand why its even marketed as a feature

[south garnet]

And worse it's the default

[frank ether]

lol

[south garnet]

I'm always leery of defaults but stuff like this just confirms that suspicion

[frank ether]

one thing nvidia has thats very nice is the reflex though

thats the only thing I miss on amd

anti-lag isn't as good

[south garnet]

Reflex is good. I think my favorite thing they've done is G-sync so I can always, always keep V-sync off

except for like... fromsoft games or other dogshit ports

[frank ether]

fromsoft games are like

elden ring has screen tearing and other problems for me

even with freesync

and I got one of the better monitors its not just shitty freesync issue either

[south garnet]

I haven't even bothered since I think the dark souls 2 port

[frank ether]

so the way I solved elden ring was to just put in on borderless

and keep monitor at its native refresh rate

A lot less tearing this way

[south garnet]

I'm just not gonna play any of them until they're fixed or remastered or whatever, I was burned out from that whole formula anyway back when you still had to order demons souls through playasia and have it shipped over on a boat

[frank ether]

Its just lazy programming

they can't be arsed to fix their code to be independant of framerate

you get shit for criticising fromsoft online

[south garnet]

Yea. The controls not mapping to KBM I understand and I'm happy to deal with, the game itself...

[frank ether]

but everyone knows this is true

when I give bethesda crap for locking their shit to 60 fps no one would bat an eye

fromsoft gets a free pass for this

[south garnet]

Fuck I remember, what, fallout 3 when the engine was locked to framerate and you'd get bugged and stuck on computers

objects would rocket around at lightspeed

YEA

[frank ether]

you can mod to unlock frames but it comes with problems yea

for elden ring ppl speculate it breaks your iframes or something

but Idk

I couldn't bother

just played it 60 frames

[south garnet]

Exactly, and I just sort of go, whatever. I don't have that much time and there's a ton of crap I've bought and haven't played anyway so

[frank ether]

sharp turns in that game and camera movement in general gives me motion sickness

[south garnet]

Eugh

[frank ether]

I assume maybe it would be less of an issue

if I played with a controller sitting far from screen

on like a TV

I could hook it up to my 4K TV

[south garnet]

Maybe. I'll never know, at least not in the foreseeable future lol

[frank ether]

just cba

they released armored core with 120 fps mode

I think

thats a lot better

[marsh owl]

Did they ever patch the rending modifer for marksman's focus? i remember testing in patch 13 and it wasnt working

[frank ether]

I was told it doesn't work properly in meat grinder but works in game

but I can't tell for sure

either way they should have just made that flat %10 ranged rending

or rending that scales with your stacks

bad design imo

[marsh owl]

interesting, I guess people tested with the healthbars mod? Good to know though

[frank ether]

Can't tell, I barely touch that rotten keystone

[eternal flare]

whats the best CC melee

[umbral scaffold]

The old shovel's heavies do a lot of pushing

[cunning holly]

Or get catachan claw with ton of stagger blessings. When my game oping doesnt suck, it keeps me alive for long enough to have my ass saved

[eternal flare]

which one

[marsh owl]

I also think its the standard issue shovel. Special attack headshots can stagger almost anything including stopping mutants mid charge. Also plenty of damage with the right blessings

[cunning holly]

Although I must say. One of vets in my game today rocked a PS with a ton of damage oO.

[terse idol]

Just give me rending that matters

My lasgun still ain't getting through this crusher

[cunning holly]

Eh... honestly, dont remember LD The one that is more straight bladed looks closer to a oversized paper knife

[dusty hedge]

Power sword is mega damage but terrible defenses, works best with weapon specialist keystone to improve your dodges and so on

[cunning holly]

At least I liked it more...

[cunning holly]

which works for how long? 5 sec?

[gentle lodge]

hadron just gave me this guess she really wants me to cleave shit

[buoyant axle]

im sensing investigation is one of the harder missions for a pub group since it entices everyone to split up

i just need 1 more investigation mission for a penance and im 0/2 now lol

[terse idol]

Honestly just replace wrath with shred

Melee crit damage to carapace

maybe maniac tbh...

[cunning holly]

I guess that is for lowlevels. At higher most tend to stay together

[dusty hedge]

ideally 5 sec should be long enough to clear some room with how much damage the PS can dump in that time, and then you ideally won't need super dodges/stamina regen afterward and can deal with the rest normally

[cunning holly]

I vote for maniac. If you have to catachan a crushers you and your team are doing something wrong 😄

[terse idol]

[eternal flare]

are the % good?

[terse idol]

No

Finesse dump hurts

🥹

Dlcaw is a finesse melee you want high finesse

[neat stratus]

Ammo bad but is this a good stat roll?

[terse idol]

Perk is stinky doe

But its a good start

[bitter turtle]

Ammo is not important anyway

[cunning holly]

Hm... I don't remember being stuck in an ideal situation for a long time now 💿

[terse idol]

Yeah not for a hellgun anywho

Hellbore

[bitter turtle]

Helbores have nearly infinite ammo

[neat stratus]

Yeah helbores literally never have trouble with ammo

If they do its because theyre being used like primary weapons on hordes

[cunning holly]

Yeah you either kill enough to get it back or die often enough to have it replenished anyway

[bitter turtle]

You do use helbore on hordes

[frank ether]

do I live with tier 1 trickshooter or take the L and play surgical on a spam pistol

[bitter turtle]

By stabbing them

[frank ether]

I hate decisions

[cunning holly]

why not? just stand there for 3 sec and shoot away 😄

[terse idol]

You want cleave too or else it's gonna... mess up your cleave

[glacial yacht]

surgical is still good on that

[frank ether]

usually not gonna come into play

[terse idol]

Like, Dclaw is good vs many targets but carapace
You want to dump mobility or just get a minimum 70 in all damage stats

[glacial yacht]

you're gonna be ads constantly wdym

[frank ether]

you shoot once

crit gone

I'm not gonna spend 5 seconds in ads for 5 shots

[terse idol]

Your climbing but still need 70 in cleave

[glacial yacht]

i dont think you understand how it works. go use it in the psy

[terse idol]

Cleave targets that is

[frank ether]

No I don't think you understand how surgical works

[frank ether]

this is a spam pistol

it has pretty high rate of fire

and double the bullets of normal revolver

[cunning holly]

Rich boy here, but anything with total stat below 375 is basically just a "get by" weapon 😄

[glacial yacht]

sure but youre only spaming into bosses

[terse idol]

Yeah the agrinapinna pistol

Isn't good with surgical

You want cruccian roulette

[frank ether]

I think I'll just take the L with tier 1 trickshoot

its like %1.5 power per stack

[terse idol]

I mean ideally you just kinda

[frank ether]

irrelevant power difference

[terse idol]

Blast everything that's in a clump

I know what you mean though

[neat stratus]

Unless, of course, there's an insane dumpstat

[glacial yacht]

theres no pin on it if you just unleash your load in a group youre gonna be sad

[terse idol]

Gonna say it

You just need min 70

Any higher is a nice cushion

[cunning holly]

There are no dump stats on 380s.

[stable socket]

all 80% would be 400, no?

[bitter turtle]

380s still have a dump

[frank ether]

damage 60 would like to introduce itself

[neat stratus]

On a helbore, ammo is nothing more than a cushion for bad aim

[cunning holly]

Overall, yes. But with a couple mil in ones pocket, one can roll away

[bitter turtle]

No matter what you have a dump

Even on a perfect 380

That's how some 380 end up being dumpster trash

[vernal slate]

We need to separate melee, ranged, and perk chat for each class in this discord lol

[terse idol]

Well there's 1

[cunning holly]

And? Got a couple of things with 65s in damage but basically maxed out other things. One additional shot is sometimes less painful than that 1% dodge that can make all the difference between your life and a heavy ass maulaxe landing on your ass x-x

[terse idol]

I mean

It matters for some weapons

[umbral scaffold]

Anyone got any uhhhh secretly good builds on this awful tree?

[bitter turtle]

Damage 60 on a 380 is not worth using over damage 80 on a lower rating

[terse idol]

I'd say big time for like Rashad, but I'm hesitant to hit sub 70 damage

[bitter turtle]

U don't lose a dodge until you drop below 50 mobility

[terse idol]

Its like 65 in a stat like penetration

[frank ether]

the ''and'' is its a dump stat smart cookie

[terse idol]

personally 70's in all stats is my beloved

[cunning holly]

If lower ratin is 378-379, yes, If lower rating is 340 - I have a very bad couple of words

[vernal slate]

I enjoy the wepon swapper plasma gun force sword build ive come up with (: get to stay in the thick of it with your teammates and blast away those special specialists no mattar whats between you

[terse idol]

You do even lose some dodge distance with 60 mobi right?

[bitter turtle]

There are plenty of 340 guns that are better as long as their dmg maxes out lol

[umbral scaffold]

Kind is the man who shares the secret

[vernal slate]

One sec

[bitter turtle]

Columnus for example only needs max dmg and stopping

[cunning holly]

Simply no.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-palico-monster-hunter-rise-monster-hunter-world-mh-gif-25184238

[bitter turtle]

No point in having high stats in shit that barely matters

[terse idol]

It depends what's being dumped

[cunning holly]

Well, damn, if you define dump like that, then okay

[terse idol]

I mean I got a 10% mobi vraks 7

[bitter turtle]

60 ammo vs 70 ammo is irrelevant on a gun that can spray horde and not run out

[terse idol]

I just dont like it using it

But it has all 80's

[bitter turtle]

Dump Stat means the Stat you choose to be lower than the others

If dmg is 60

And all other is 80

It means u rolled a gun whose dump is dmg

So yes

380s still have a dump stat usually

[terse idol]

Yeah, it's guranteed

[bitter turtle]

Unless it's perfectly distributed to be all 70 rolls

[cunning holly]

Might be yes, night be no. If you have no money, no need to roll. BUT, if you have the money, why would you ever want to remain with a 340?

[bitter turtle]

Bc some 380s are trash that can't hit breakpoints

[frank ether]

because its better than a shitty high roll?

[terse idol]

Hmm I thought we were just speaking of what a dump stat is

[bitter turtle]

Y would u use a 380 that can't do dreg gunner one-shot on a v7 cause you dumped dmg for example lol

[terse idol]

What's the stat distribution in a 340 with good stats, dump ammo and mobility?

[cunning holly]

That is when we say everything is maxed but one. That happens often enough. Ideal distrib would be still one with no dumps.

[frank ether]

item rating is the ultimate noob trap

but you do you

[terse idol]

That means the ideal is all 70's

[bitter turtle]

U cannot have no dump unless nothing is maxed

And that is also bad

Some weapons need maxed dmg to hit breakpoint

[cunning holly]

Once again, if you have money, why wont you roll?

[vernal slate]

What else are you supposed to do at the end of the game?

[bitter turtle]

Bc some stats unironically don't matter

[frank ether]

quit

[bitter turtle]

So it's just to satisfy ocd at that point lol

[neat stratus]

Its less that you need to roll and more that you just literally don't need to go through the effort if you dont want to

[terse idol]

Sometimes we gotta settle on it I guess

[frank ether]

I don't play for gear grind hamster wheel

[terse idol]

I just would never dump any damage stats

[vernal slate]

Fair enough

[terse idol]

Or get sub 70

[frank ether]

if you're playing for gear progression you should be playing warframe or destiny

[bitter turtle]

Ya

The important part is the dmg stats are rolled high

Everything else is not that important

[cunning holly]

Breakpoint is a rather fun concept in a game where the key feature is to have you overwhelmed. Obv its good to have, but if your team does not support you in being able to apply said breakpoint, what are you even trying to achieve? I say survival is more important.

[bitter turtle]

Mobility above 50 gotnsome weapons

[frank ether]

you're playing the wrong game and fatshark is living on denial thinking extending crafting grind will create a playerbase

[bitter turtle]

Breakpoint as in for guns that can one-shot vs two shot lol

[vernal slate]

Works for me

[terse idol]

Well like, you build for your own break points

[bitter turtle]

You don't need ur team

[frank ether]

their game was on its way to the grave till they actually bothered to add some content and do a console release

[terse idol]

Your team isn't a factor when you build for a breakpoint

[bitter turtle]

To make ur gun one-shot a dreg gunner or crusher

[sharp ember]

one thing i wish we had was a damn outfit painter

[bitter turtle]

Or two shot more likely for crusher

[cunning holly]

A lot of things dont matter for that matter.

[sharp ember]

or at least more armor color choices

[serene sage]

oh hey it's the late night gang

[terse idol]

Hmm what do you mean?

[sharp ember]

no more santa hat avatar

[bitter turtle]

For some guns 10 dmg roll might be the difference between two revolver shots or three

[frank ether]

no longer festive

[bitter turtle]

Big ttk difference

[cunning holly]

I play R6S for "gear progression" tywm

[neat stratus]

I mean everything that affects the type of damage the weapon wants to have

[terse idol]

Well and thats what happened to me and my rashad

I'm on the breaking point of hitting and not hitting a 4 hit kill on a crusher

[bitter turtle]

Yes stopping power finesse first target etc are included

[vernal slate]

1000 hours in MHW for attack 4 deco

[terse idol]

Because I don't have +2% finesse and I'm missing BM t3

[neat stratus]

Like charge rates, finesse, even ammo on some weapons that you really need to be firing 24/7 ig

[frank ether]

but nooo you could totally handle crusher packs better if you had 80 mobility

since that gives to plus 134522 dodges

[cunning holly]

Literally one of the requests was for a better crafting ssystem, lols.

[spice gate]

Smack

[terse idol]

Well yeah because back in the day we didn't even have a crafting system

[neat stratus]

I dunno, blaming a stat that isn't inherently critical to your success is just cope

[sharp ember]

all this talk of breakpoints reminds me why i gravitate towards rapid fire guns instead of slow high power guns

[frank ether]

because people don't want to participate in RnG gear grind wheel?

[terse idol]

There was no end game content for people like us

[frank ether]

hows that even an argument against what I'm saying

[spice gate]

And I hate how good the ammo replenishing veteren skill is. Makes it so hard to get the other skills I want . Haha!

[frank ether]

you're literally agreeing with me

[neat stratus]

But you could save 1 ammo

[terse idol]

When I'm building my rashad it's critical

[neat stratus]

Then go ahead

[terse idol]

Because its so precise

[cunning holly]

Um... You literally have to have people to keep little shits off your back to be able to breakpoint, at the very least, no?

[terse idol]

No

[sharp ember]

You must embrace evil and not take it if you can save a point doing that

[terse idol]

I can literally just overhead a crusher 4 times

And it'll die

[bitter turtle]

I don't think you know what breakpoint means

[terse idol]

And all the little adds

I one shot

[bitter turtle]

It means the point at which u need to shoot 1 less time to kill

[terse idol]

With BM

[vernal slate]

If you got exactly what you wanted then theres nothing to grind for imo

[bitter turtle]

Like a plasma that needs 3 or 4 shots to kill

[spice gate]

True! Don’t need more bullets if we kill ‘em fast enough! WAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[serene sage]

you can see my thoughts process too
should I shoot
nah let's pull melee to save ammo
wait let's pull out the gun again for the funni

[frank ether]

grind players can not fucking understand playing a game for fun man

[bitter turtle]

The dmg stat you need to go from 4 to 3 is the breakpoint

[frank ether]

I actually give up with you

like

[terse idol]

Darn it Fangron I played my (kinda broke) rashad with ya yesterday

[frank ether]

you want number go up

I get it

[shadow aurora]

Vet chat having the mandatory daily mental breakdown i see

[terse idol]

I can solo crushers easy

[spice gate]

Time to switch between them so fast it looks like we’re dancing!

[serene sage]

it's hourly at this point

[vernal slate]

Lol

[sharp ember]

ammo in the field is more plentiful nowadays, so it isn’t too punishing unless your team is sloppy with conservation

[frank ether]

I can't convince ppl otherwise I am insane for even trying

[terse idol]

Bulwarks are literally 3 taps for me

[cunning holly]

As in I dont care if I have to fire 3 shots in a mauler or one if I am given the opportunity to do so, instead of blocking everything with a something, no?

[terse idol]

It matters dooe

[bitter turtle]

It's just about the guns effectiveness

[terse idol]

Is what folks are trying to say

[cunning holly]

😄

[frank ether]

numba go up or ded game

[terse idol]

Its why we build pgun to have 1 shot dredge gunners

[serene sage]

@bitter turtle wait remember the bolter melee meme?

[vernal slate]

So long as i can get something consistently good, i dont mind grinding for perfection

[terse idol]

Instead of 2

[serene sage]

pinning stacks on melee

[frank ether]

cant wait for them to add damnation+ and 400 rating so all our items are trash

[bitter turtle]

I tried

[serene sage]

[frank ether]

that will give us reason to play more,

[bitter turtle]

And lol

[serene sage]

we talking value town

[frank ether]

since its NUMBA GO UP

[bitter turtle]

Someone joined my sedition game and ruined my run

Of bolter melee only

[serene sage]

tragic

[frank ether]

damn hate when that happens

[sharp ember]

I heard Bolter pinning fire stacks multiple times from cleave, is that so?

[serene sage]

but pinning fire stacking on melee is hilarious

[serene sage]

kinda, it can stack on the same target

and through cleave

grenade also stacks it

basically anything you do can and will stack it

VoC does, too

[sharp ember]

I heard a statement that 1 shot exploding and staggering a crowd would max it out

[serene sage]

that's usually the case yes

[sharp ember]

ah that’s not bad then

[serene sage]

which is after a whooping 75% damage nerf

[umbral scaffold]

https://medal.tv/pt/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1egfaCJC7GzP3N/N7KmigvpMMiI?invite=cr-MSx0eXAsMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

[serene sage]

that's still BiS

[frank ether]

eugh I dont even know

[sharp ember]

If bolter got just 1 more mag in reserve I’d be a happy camper

[frank ether]

does anyone know breakpoints for chswords

I dont think %15 flak is that terrible but bruh requisiton with the tier 1 blessings

[sharp ember]

savage sweep is bricked on a mk13g

[shadow aurora]

I think there is a breakpoint calc for darktide on google

[terse idol]

Yeah

[cunning holly]

Now, for plasma I would rather agree on the fact taht having it one shot stuff is better than not one shot. RPM or ROF for the plasma is horrendous after all, and as all R6S players know, rpm is the king, unless you have a weapon that allows for one-shot. Still, I would care more about TTK and survivability rather then pure "oneshotting"

[shadow aurora]

I forgot what its called

[frank ether]

is it that undesirable.. I guess the attack pattern doesnt work with it

[umbral scaffold]

And while I'm in my Medal profile

https://medal.tv/pt/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AHbtI91u7745i/qUwcizcaI7Gx?invite=cr-MSwyc04sMTkwNTkwNTA4LA

[bitter turtle]

Breakpoint are literally about ttk

[sharp ember]

You cannot proc it unless you’re swinging into groaners, the least dense enemy, or you do your Heavy 3

[bitter turtle]

If ur revolver takes 3 shots to kill instead of 2 that is literally 50 percent slower ttk relative to the 2 shotting one

[frank ether]

see on the topic of high roll bricks

[cunning holly]

OH sedition... Okay.

[frank ether]

66 shredder

Idk how bad that is

[terse idol]

Well yeah, ttk is about breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

Sedition with bolter push only you chud lol

I wouldn't troll a malice game even with that build

[terse idol]

Killing someone in 3 shots is gonna take alot longer than killing someone in 1 shot

Its why we build for bp's

[frank ether]

about 3x longer ^^

[terse idol]

To reduce ttk

[sharp ember]

66 shredder is fine on a mk13, it deals more saw damage than original chainsword

[frank ether]

hmm, thats good to know

how would you go about fixing this roll

[timid otter]

Try to complete a sedition mission while blindfolded

[frank ether]

I assume change unyielding and change movement speed

[terse idol]

Yee

[bitter turtle]

I'll do it if my bolter push run goes well

[frank ether]

I dont see rampage working with this one

[bitter turtle]

I need to suicide the bots next time

[terse idol]

This is why I'm trying so hard to get 4 hit break point on crusher

[bitter turtle]

They outdmg the bolter push LOL

[frank ether]

maybe the crit blessing?

[timid otter]

Unironically dont

[terse idol]

Because if I don't I'm gonna kill it in 5 or 6

[frank ether]

would you put flak or maniac

[timid otter]

Theres near no mechanics in darktide to help with blindfold.

[terse idol]

Which makes you more open to damage

[cunning holly]

Get 3 more people in chat and run damnation, why not? Anything below is not even fun oO

[terse idol]

If you kill things slower

[frank ether]

god I'm asking so many questions

[timid otter]

Near no audio cues for going into walls.

[bitter turtle]

I play only damnation auric maelstrom lol

[sharp ember]

crit% to Flak, Rev It Up to Rampage/Bloodletter

Bloodletter will let you mess up monsters with that Unyielding perk

[bitter turtle]

The sedition run was a run where I only use the bolters altfire

You know

The little shove it does

That does lik 30 dmg lol

And no gun no melee

[sharp ember]

I’m actually a fan of that chainsword roll

[strange sparrow]

The shove is a good push thou

[sharp ember]

wrath will let you proc rampage

[bitter turtle]

It's a decent push ya

[frank ether]

hmm I havent thought of that but is that heavy focus on monstros even worth it

[vernal slate]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[cunning holly]

As much as that statement is accurate on paper, I still dont trust it in practice. ESP if we talk running the squishy vet separate from the team.

[strange sparrow]

I think I push a poxburster away with it

[bitter turtle]

But I was inspired when I found out it does extra dmg to poxhounds and mutants

[frank ether]

I guess this thing is just not made for cleave in the first place

[stable socket]

Breakpoints are like this: let's say you load into a mission with only maulers. You have two guns with zero cleave: gun A that does 99% of a mauler's HP per shot and gun B that does 100% of a mauler's HP per shot.

On the mission you get separated from your team and are faced with 20 maulers. With gun A you would need to shoot 40 times to kill all the maulers, while with gun B you would only need to shoot 20 times. Even though gun B only does 1% more damage than gun A, it kills twice as fast.

Why? Because it hits the "mauler breakpoint"

[bitter turtle]

^

Its not theoretical

Breakpoints are literally semi auto guns ttk

[sharp ember]

It’s fun while letting you keep some anti horde cleave, but a dedicated boss killing chainaxe will probably do more damage

[cunning holly]

Because that is the only place to go! Alas, not for poor people who only got their noses out of 30 and have no idea how to play...

[sharp ember]

I guess the point is to retain some of the anti-horde of a chainsword

Chainaxes hold up well against horde nowadays though

[frank ether]

thats why I was thinking maybe changing unyielding instead of crit chance

but also Idk

I dont have chsword experience

maybe your idea is solid

[sharp ember]

I prefer the consistency of damage ups over crit chance

[cunning holly]

Like I said, why not try it on dam+? I am sure there are a ton of guys who are ready to try that crazy stuff. You can take a knife and punch your way through sedition solo. Bolter is just much more monotone and torturous...

[strange sparrow]

Crits for melee weapon isn’t very practical unless you have specific builds for em

[sharp ember]

indeed, we don’t have crit synergy like zealot besides that one rending node

[frank ether]

true

[umbral scaffold]

This thing slaps pretty nicely but the ammo economy is fucked even with shocktrooper.
Honestly the most sensible way to buff recon lasguns would be to make them use 1 ammo per shot instead of 2.

[bitter turtle]

Do the bolter shove in meat grinder and u will have your answer

[vernal slate]

Someone mind explaining exactly what rending is like im 5?

[bitter turtle]

It takes like 10 seconds to kill a poxwalker on sedition even lol

[strange sparrow]

Yea Zealot currently benefit the most out of Crits due to survivability, damage, skill cool-down reduction

[bitter turtle]

I'd rather not

LOL

[vernal slate]

Lol

[frank ether]

I'm too tired of explaining rending lol

use search function

[strange sparrow]

Armor man take more damage

[vernal slate]

Thank

[frank ether]

but tldr is its armor pen

[bitter turtle]

If ur dmg modifier for an armor type is below 100

[sharp ember]

if gun only do 50% damage to armor, +40% rending will make gun do 90% total damage

[strange sparrow]

No no no he ask for I’m 5

[bitter turtle]

It adds that rending percent to your dmg modifier

[strange sparrow]

Don’t need to be specific

[bitter turtle]

Oh

[frank ether]

basically this

[bitter turtle]

Ok

[strange sparrow]

It just work against armor man

[vernal slate]

[bitter turtle]

baby noises

Look at the pretty airplane

[frank ether]

this chat

really needs a pin

[bitter turtle]

It has 20 percent rending

[frank ether]

for rending explanation

its asked almost daily

[umbral scaffold]

One thing I'd imagine could benefit the recon-IAG dichotomy

[strange sparrow]

https://youtu.be/fIxOjj28cuE?si=OqvxRsAzL46DLFB6

[bitter turtle]

So it crashes into this crusher betterer

[sharp ember]

if gun do 1% damage to carapace, +40% rending make gun do 41% damage

[frank ether]

maybe pin this