veteran-class

[torn root]

doesn't allowing more damage affect ammo economy?

buffing the damage aura would help some weapons then no?

[tiny summit]

Where is this "need" for nerfing?

[torn root]

^

[strange sparrow]

Chaos taking too much L

[merry gale]

don't forget they could also buff the ennemies instead, like maybe not having the mutants be made out of paper would be a decent start

[torn root]

nerf 1st make everything feel like shit

[tiny summit]

They do need a dub

[strange sparrow]

By next week, Atoma would run out of Heretics

[torn root]

before we buff and make more things feel better

[potent iris]

aura balance is a problem, I said that.

also buffing the damage aura would have some affect on ammo economy but no where near to the extent that survivalist just removes ammo economy

[torn root]

its a shit logic i cant get behind

like actually

[serene sage]

generally i agree, buffs > nerfs
but sometimes nerfs are warranted

looking at you plasma revolver

[torn root]

not saying they arent warrented

[midnight totem]

Understood. No more 4 man premades in auric damnation. Every team now must carry a lvl 15 knife zealot

[strange sparrow]

Also nerfing survialist also mean that 2/3 of Veteran tree kinda get fuck

And you just play like zealot

[torpid sundial]

buff recon buff recon

[strange sparrow]

Take a sword and use a revolver

[merry gale]

that's just my average pug tbh

[potent iris]

well obviously rebalancing means a mix of nerfs and buffs to get things to a better baseline

[torn root]

but there is a case where you buff enough things and tweak stuff without nerfing where something doesn't get crowned for being the best at all times

@serene sage

[terse idol]

Its hard

Balance is hard

[wanton dawn]

The game should not be balanced around a vet aura 🤷

[tiny summit]

The design philosophy can also be "letting players shoot is fun, therefore ammo economy while there sometimes and at times negligent, isn't our concern."

[terse idol]

Especially when you have a player base trying to optimize the fun out of a game

And frankly that's kinda what we're doing

[potent iris]

only buffing leads to having to powercreep enemies and enemy spawns to keep up and then you get into the territory where the AI just breaks because it can't handle the load

[wanton dawn]

Well excuse me, princess

[torn root]

yeah the problem is most ppl arent really looking at the whole picture of balancing

[umbral scaffold]

If they want players to shoot, they'd make every player able to shoot more, not just vet

[torn root]

they only care about the nerfs part right now

[terse idol]

Dats meeee

[torn root]

its bad

[terse idol]

Wooops

[tiny summit]

True, so just add base to all vet aura upgrades so no vet gets bullied. Bullying is bad guys

[terse idol]

Yeah

[torpid sundial]

in the end the question is will it make the game more fun

thats it

[strange sparrow]

Fun is subjective

[terse idol]

Frankly just either make it baseline or double ammo spawns, OR add in ammo boxes like in vermintide 2

[torpid sundial]

okay, fun for the majority

[terse idol]

That would eliminate many issues

[torn root]

highly subjective

[midnight totem]

I'm getting my ogryn friend if I'm getting bullied. He has a rock friend.

[strange sparrow]

I already been running no talent points Columnus psword auric Mael

That’s how much I’m nerfing myself

[potent iris]

like I've actually done balancing for VT2 so I know how it works, but at the end of the day it's a very subjective process based on each person's vision for the game and balancing that vision with feedback from the community

[terse idol]

Ciol

[tiny summit]

Vet gets to shoot more. As a treat. While the magic man has magic stuff. The ogryn delights in crumping heads. And the zealot...idk screaming and doing obscura somewhere

[umbral scaffold]

Making survivalist baseline still would lead to the same thing people were doing before patch 13, where many players in-game and in LFG would ask for at least one vet to be played so they had better ammo economy

[strange sparrow]

Tbh Vet should always get infinite ammo because that’s their whole gimmick of shooting stuff

[terse idol]

Yeah and I mean after watching Phreak from LoL discuss how his team did balance changes its tough because it is about how the team wants the game to feel

[wanton dawn]

Too complicated, just nerfed recon again

[merry gale]

just remove surv, buff ammo pickups again it's that easy

[fossil basalt]

This game won't be WH40K until they give the most insane psykers spook

[umbral scaffold]

And ammo economy shouldn't be decided by such a passive thing like "this guy being here"

[crude ermine]

Nuclear bomb

[potent iris]

it's inspired by a french gun, it deserves it

[terse idol]

I mean in my mind the game should be balanced around 4 of each class, if you dont have a vet tough shit

[fossil basalt]

Give the warp mage drugs that give normies warp powers lets go

[terse idol]

4 of each class in a lobby

[serene sage]

I have 600 hours in this game and have never experienced it.
Not saying you haven't, but I don't.

[terse idol]

That's the ideal

[umbral scaffold]

It disengages players from managing ammo found on the map and also reduces the class variety

Exactly

[merry gale]

new aura to replace suvrf idk, make it buff weakspot dmg by 15% for everyone in coherency

[tiny summit]

There would be more people disliking that than those even engaging in talk about ammo economy

[wanton dawn]

... i feel attacked but i let it slide

[umbral scaffold]

You need to have a good baseline for any team composition

[strange sparrow]

Ammo Economy get fucked in Auric without survivalist, buffing the ammo doesn’t help

[torpid sundial]

make ammo backpack vet a thing

[midnight totem]

I suggested that

[terse idol]

It will

[strange sparrow]

The amount of enemy just mean that you would eventually run out of bullet

[torn root]

that only happens on certain levels of play

[merry gale]

just open boxes

[terse idol]

If people don't just greed and grab all the ammo

[torn root]

if this were true ppl wouldnt be suffering in malice with survivalist on

[potent iris]

honestly I'd say auras in DT generally are something of a failed concept

[merry gale]

loot issue

[slow garden]

Local man expects people not to greed and take all the ammo in a tide game

[umbral scaffold]

As someone who is regularly running an autogun on a psyker, I honestly don't believe auric damnation is having an ammo problem

[strange sparrow]

Local man expect that my -20 max bullet gun doesn’t need a big ammo bag

[tiny summit]

Yet to see people do that. Hell I've yet to see any random chat about ammo aura

[merry gale]

nah some aura's are good there just are some that are completely worthless

[strange sparrow]

[umbral scaffold]

The instances the randomized ammo drops screwed the team were so rare, I can only remember about two in all my playtime

[potent iris]

Field Improv is unironically one of the best "auras" in the game and it's a regular node lmao

[crisp oak]

But then why change anything if it was never a problem?

[umbral scaffold]

A lot of LFGs I did were "we need veteran, we need veteran, we need veteran"

[tiny summit]

Thanks fatshark for 5% elite dmg on psyker vs 5% dmg on vet

[torn root]

liek the nerf survivalist perspective only really looks at it from the point where good players are abusing it because they abuse all the systems and knowledge we currently have, I run the aura exclusively and i still see ppl on red ammo by the end of runs

[strange sparrow]

People coping about ammo economy without veteran

[slow garden]

Same

[torn root]

its not a problem when you look only at the people using something to maximum efficiency

that ISN'T most players

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo economy is supposed to be one of the game's mechanics

[fossil basalt]

4man movement speed aura is the best

[wanton dawn]

The problem imo is that aura are taken to improve YOUR build or because it is irrelevant besides going down the tree

[strange sparrow]

Survivalist scale with difficulty of the game

Which mean higher difficulty mean it’s better

[wanton dawn]

I never think of my team aura at all

[strange sparrow]

People tend to ignore this too

[merry gale]

yes of course, they all need to be rebalance so each is an actual option you have to think about

[umbral scaffold]

The way survivalist changes ammo economy is also on a different layer

[torn root]

and in auric there are still games where people are on red ammo

[crisp oak]

I like clerics corruption healing one

[potent iris]

yeah balancing for things that scale with density, when the higher diffs mostly rely on density, is a nightmare

[umbral scaffold]

It's not simply better ammo pickups, it's a separate and theoretically infinite way to gain ammo

[crisp oak]

But dont run it for point economy

[strange sparrow]

The problem is nerfing survivalist also mean lower difficulty would run into ammo problem as they do not see the density

[wanton dawn]

Vet chat knows a lot about density. We have the densest ppl

[torn root]

watch i can legit see a future where survivalist does get nerfed or removed and we get more ammo

[strange sparrow]

[umbral scaffold]

If survivalist gave you idfk 5 or 10% more ammo per pickup it'd still keep the ammo aspect, but on the same layer that the game's baseline has

[torn root]

then ppl are gunna be saying there is to much ammo

like actually

[umbral scaffold]

Survivalist working on a separate layer gets bad

[strange sparrow]

And I don’t see the problem where the team get a lot of ammo for playing higher difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

And that separate layer also not having its own niche is weirder

[torn root]

every ammo drop is now an ammo bag

[strange sparrow]

They could use those ammo and forget about melee which is important

[torn root]

easy fix

remove survivalist now

[potent iris]

like I'd say aside from player-side balancing the game has a lot of issues on the AI/difficulty side of balancing

you can only go so far on pushing a game by just cranking up spawns before you just start breaking things

[tiny summit]

Me too!

[rigid schooner]

Easier fix
Remove psyker

[umbral scaffold]

Beacon of purity, for example, is passive corruption healing, but it doesn't go above the player's current wound and does nothing to their health

[torn root]

cataclysm

[strange sparrow]

I play Psyker and Zealot and never would run into ammo problem except gun psyker on auric

[wanton dawn]

[umbral scaffold]

So to benefit from it, they have to watch their wound properly and then regain the lost health through other means

[terse idol]

Its still alright

[strange sparrow]

Like I don’t really need a veteran giving me unlimited ammo

And I kinda don’t care

[terse idol]

Kkay

[crisp oak]

Crackhead fanatic approves this message.

[terse idol]

We're in vet chat okay

I run weapon spec

With a revolver with MS aura

[torn root]

that makes survivalist a non issue

[terse idol]

I have to ration my ammo

[rigid schooner]

https://vxtwitter.com/haultrukkz/status/1742630824850100369?s=20

[strange sparrow]

That’s a you problem

[terse idol]

which frankly I think should be part of the game

Me problem????

Its just the way the gun works

[strange sparrow]

I never run into ammo problem with revolver as zealot

[terse idol]

Without survivalist

I domt get free ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Beacon of purity is one of those genuinely helpful auras I found that offers a unique effect, but also asks the player to play properly around it

[tiny summit]

Yea, so like we remove survivalist and only worry about ammo pickups. Higher difficulties add more enemies. Oh you felt like you need the ammo for the situation you were just in and now ran dry? Here's the next room where every poke out of cover is 30 gunners.

[strange sparrow]

Skill issue

[terse idol]

Smh

[torn root]

this needs a nerf too

[terse idol]

Take your L back to zealot chat

[strange sparrow]

You’re spamming your revolver

[torn root]

the amount of wounds someone would have if it werent healing it is actually crazy

[terse idol]

I gotta shoot the elites you don't

[strange sparrow]

Ofc it’s a skill issue

[terse idol]

I don't!

[rigid schooner]

Clearly this means we need to nerf ogryn

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like an ogryn problem ngl

[terse idol]

You play a high intensity shock troop gauntlet where you gotta blast gunners

[torn root]

nerf the corruption heal, and the toughness damage reduction

[terse idol]

And the zealot you have has a flamer

[torn root]

DR should be 5% max

[terse idol]

So you're taking turns grabbing ammo

[torn root]

to be in line with 5% damage on vet tree

[strange sparrow]

I’m not gonna go in depth, but it’s pretty much a skill issue with revolver ammo

[terse idol]

Okay dood

Whatever

[potent iris]

I dislike how the game's only answer to making the game harder is spamming more shit ngl. I'd prefer ratcheting back spam a bit in exchange for making enemies just individually tougher/more threatening

[strange sparrow]

Just make the boss harder

[torn root]

this

[strange sparrow]

Currently they’re so weak for some reason

[torn root]

bosses are weak AF

[terse idol]

I'm in the thought process that you shouldn't just shoot tour way through the whole mission but then thst hurts people who just like shooting

And shooting in this game is fun

[umbral scaffold]

I like the frenetic pacing we can have at the moment, but they clearly weren't prepared for it in the audio department

[wanton dawn]

Tbf the elite modifier experiment went down like a lead balloon

[terse idol]

Bosses are weak but lord forbid you get a big wad of elites spawn

Its the combination

[old quail]

they also need to make certain enemies have more reasonable counterplay

[torn root]

if you make bosses harder though it dissuades even more players from going up in difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

And some specials start breaking, like trappers throwing a net through 7 crushers

[terse idol]

Plague ogryn should get a grab

[rigid schooner]

I just follow the teachings I've picked up from other players in this game, to instantly grab all ammo I see regardless of need

[old quail]

ragers and bulwarks in particular. bulwarks need some sort of spawn cap because fighting 6+ of them is cancer

[potent iris]

agree

[crisp oak]

Bayonet is the asnwer for ragers

[umbral scaffold]

Bulwarks melding into each other forming an incongruent mass of bad shield hitboxes

[terse idol]

Fs shown that they aren't afraid of balancing for difficulty so its okie

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine if the shield hitbox was the uh

The shield

[old quail]

its better than on launch lol

i'll take what i can get

[terse idol]

The 7 shotgunners that turned the corner and instantly blast you to oblivion

[crisp oak]

Melee hitreg is weird

[strange sparrow]

Then again, Nerfing PvE game is such a fucked in the head game

[terse idol]

Either shotgunners are useless

Or they're strong AD

[terse idol]

Hard disagree

[torn root]

okay, im fine with it then

[serene sage]

In theory if there are enough of them stacking would the become invul to non piercing attacks

[old quail]

shotgunners main way of threatening you is to push you around and take movement agency away

[umbral scaffold]

PvE doesn't make a game less deserving of nerfs

[old quail]

which is funny

[white minnow]

there's always lower difficulties if you want something easier

[torn root]

i know some games are too affraid to make content changes for the upper difficulties sometimes

[wanton dawn]

The ogryn phalanx strat

[strange sparrow]

PvE game doesnt deserve that much nerf but rework to make the game fresh

[tiny summit]

I agree too. It also doesn't help the director feel like they vary wildly in the same difficulty and modifiers. Some aurics feel unnecessarily cruel. Some feel like a breeze. But was that because the party were absolute gamers or was the director asleep? I loathe crusher, rage and mauler parties because it feels like the laziest fuck you for an instant "oh shit" situation.

[umbral scaffold]

Anyone could go play GTFO and say "this game needs a tactical nuke"

[strange sparrow]

Instead of taking the fun away

[potent iris]

nerfing PvE is necessary sometimes because a game with zero challenge tends to be boring

[old quail]

ranged enemies in general need to have more ability to harm you besides stunlocking you and pelting you with an insane amount of shots to take you down

[obtuse raft]

People are so scared of nerfs, but like only the word nerf.

I've legit seen the take "never nerf the player just buff every single enemy"

My brother in Christ

[umbral scaffold]

The player needs engagement, but not unreasonable punishment

[potent iris]

and like "nerf" doesn't inherently mean completely ruin a thing to the point it's unplayable lol

[tiny summit]

More twins and unique map events like running through those closing door tunnels in sycorax

[strange sparrow]

I’m okay with rework, but nerfing across the board isn’t a rewarding aspect especially with how blessing/stats work in this game

[torn root]

all the ranged enemies are fine imo

[strange sparrow]

And everyone are into that meta gaming for 380

[umbral scaffold]

The crafting system was them shooting themselves on the foot

[potent iris]

the crafting system and its consequences....

[umbral scaffold]

We can't have the longsword with the fixed cleave with the fixed damage, no

[strange sparrow]

Someone grind their ass for Psword Then you nerf it within 3 days

[torn root]

be glad that ranged bleed-through is not a thing

[strange sparrow]

The guy gonna cry hard tbh

[umbral scaffold]

We have a massively variable longsword with a blob of stats and blessing tiers and perk tiers and

[strange sparrow]

[untold mulch]

But mah retention

[signal laurel]

Someone on YouTube was bitching about this veteran chat lol yall made him real mad

[ebon umbra]

lol

[potent iris]

I still don't get how anyone thinks it's actually retaining players at all lol

[umbral scaffold]

It's like they didn't trust the playerbase to just enjoy the game after Vermintide

[torn root]

I can @ him right now

[crisp oak]

Survivalist is underpowered and needs a buff

[tiny summit]

A beautiful symphony of shotgun sounds...if only it wasn't for my funeral

[umbral scaffold]

But then, I don't know if Warhammer or 40K is the more niche one

[untold mulch]

Because the number crunchers that do this shit don0t play games

[umbral scaffold]

Because I was going to say Warhammer games are less popular than 40K

[signal laurel]

The tanner guy? Bro he was miffed

[wanton dawn]

Hi youtube ! I hate you too !

[umbral scaffold]

But 40K is surprisingly niche too

[tiny summit]

What he say?

[obtuse raft]

Fantasy is far far more niche than 40k.

[torn root]

he messaged me and blocked me because i didnt see it the same day

[obtuse raft]

Vermintide and total war were basically carrying the franchise

[umbral scaffold]

Otherwise Fatshark would be translating the already good gameplay loop from Vermintide into a wider audience that also catered to Left 4 Dead fans

[obtuse raft]

As far as public perception

[strange sparrow]

But seriously, I rather devs rework weapon to give them “reason to exist” and “reason to continue using them” instead of imma make this S tier to C tier and D tier to S tier now

[torn root]

I didnt say he was wrong or anything but being that you argue and say you aren't going to discuss something and will remove comments that disagree with your point

[strange sparrow]

Enjoy the game!

[torn root]

is bitch-made

[strange sparrow]

And your grind

[signal laurel]

https://youtu.be/vLbgIS7qoRc?si=ul4IQXc69bd22Jb

At the 13 min mark

[tiny summit]

I could do with less trapper nets through crushers. Limited cleave through their allies would be nice

[umbral scaffold]

The way I perceive 40K's popularity relative to WHF, I don't think they needed to retain players in Darktide with FOMO and crafting

[untold mulch]

But that takes braincells

and Fatshark balance team is braindead

[crisp oak]

Veteran guns tier list:

Hellbore mark 1, s tier

[serene sage]

not inherently but historically FS has been really heavy handed with some nerfs/buffs

[torn root]

actually if they just made trappers wait till they had LoS that'd be nice --- code mobs to step to the side maybe

[strange sparrow]

The blessing/garbage roll doesn’t do any good too

[umbral scaffold]

I think the premise of "Left 4 Dead in W40K" alone already pulls a fucking crowd

[crisp oak]

Boltgun, mk 2 hellbore: a tier

[strange sparrow]

This

[torn root]

probably too much work

[untold mulch]

Recon

[umbral scaffold]

and it did too

[untold mulch]

MY BOI

LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO RECON

[signal laurel]

He seems to think everything sucks. Hand cannon sucks, shotguns suck, Bolter sucks, everything sucks apparently lol

[untold mulch]

😭

[potent iris]

that's true, though it doesn't have to stay that way

[umbral scaffold]

Recon AKA infantry autogun at home

[torn root]

and this is why i defend shit that ppl cry about needing a nerf

[strange sparrow]

Pour one out for MoonBow and SotT initial buyer

Still got review bombed till this day

[torn root]

really gotta understand that that nerf is probably going to destroy what you are crying about

[old quail]

(after patch 13)

[potent iris]

also word to the wise: don't trust youtubers

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly, people still recommend slaughterer and pinning fire and a bunch of nerfed shit to people

Everyone still uses power cycler

[serene sage]

wait wait recon 7 in A and revolver in B?

what is this crackhead list?

[umbral scaffold]

The nerf affected nothing of its popularity, basically

[strange sparrow]

Revolver B lmao

[signal laurel]

I don’t, but I think it’s funny when they bitch and moan

[umbral scaffold]

Since it still is one of those mandatory blessings

[tiny summit]

The problem with that is that it's a horde game. Depending on the variables you may effectively make the trapper useless because of its higher requirements to make a shot.

[strange sparrow]

I mean it’s like the hand cannon scenario

[torn root]

some of his takes are fine, i just dont agree with the bitchy nature of the one video i saw --- and the DM i got

[strange sparrow]

The other blessing is bad

Tis is one usable

Imma take this one

(Onslaught) on the Hellbore

[untold mulch]

Little I heard he is an idiot

[signal laurel]

Yeah it’s the bitching for me also bolter is triple s tier (not really but still)

[torn root]

yeah it would be hard for my suggestion i noted it, probably could never happen

[serene sage]

as a stats graduate who is actively working in statistics, hearing him making overreaching statements about the normal distribution makes me want to turn my brain off

bro, that's not how the normal distribution works

[signal laurel]

Seems like it

[potent iris]

also let's please not get into a dogpile on people...even if they're wrong

[torn root]

just dont do YT if constructive criticizm becomes destructive to your mental

[signal laurel]

Im not here to bully, I brought it to your attention that he has a problem with some of you

[signal laurel]

Agree

[tiny summit]

Lmao. Like yes. I can understand the recon CAN have a niche. Shooting a mutant is like one of the worst ways to look at the gun. But also...we can also see what a columnus does in comparison to it for ALL enemies

[potent iris]

yeee just saying it now because I know chat can get rowdy

[torn root]

me

its me

i can send the screenshot right now

[untold mulch]

Dude really used the VoC + damage stimm, shoots at a Mutie, still showing SHIT dps with recon and tries to make it look like it isn't bad

[signal laurel]

Fair statement

[potent iris]

also coming to terms with the fact I'm trying to advise chat while named after a pseudocereal

[umbral scaffold]

Alkaline

[signal laurel]

No need to but hey it was a little funny

[potent iris]

zealot chat does things to a man

[signal laurel]

But saying the bolter is trash is fighting words

[untold mulch]

Recon niche is to take all nerfs for our sins 🙏

[torn root]

I stand by my statement

[serene sage]

First of Mutants are Maniacs and Maniacs are resistant to guns as a whole
Surely the best way to deal with Ragers is melee

[torn root]

saw a comment asking about onslaught for Revolver posted like 14mins, I used the video to reference a few things, he responded to the comment and at some point that video comments section got turned off and then the video was deleted

[merry gale]

people in class chats when they see someone being wrong : they need to prove that their time spent learning about a coop-shooter was not wasted

[serene sage]

i was laughing when he was like, let me show you how strong the recon 6d is at best scenario
pumps red stim, shoot head, still average TTK

[potent iris]

maniacs are resistant sure but like....autoguns, revolvers, shotguns etc. go brrr

[umbral scaffold]

To be fair, I can't fault someone for caring about the time they dedicated to a hobby

[merry gale]

yeah but you don't have to be an ass about it

most people are very pompous

[untold mulch]

I LAUGHED ALOUD

[wanton dawn]

Man you are so susceptible

[signal laurel]

I’m dedicated to this game I’d say, it’s the only game I keep playing consistently. Idc what you use there are some trash weapons but I’m not finna go on Rants when MOST of the weapons are fine

[serene sage]

oh yeah you mentioned this

lmao

can't make this up

[tiny summit]

What we don't know...recons state is the tease for the big weapon overhaul update

[merry gale]

As an extremely pretentious person myself, I have the right to say so

[untold mulch]

Fr fr any day now

[untold mulch]

This is poxflamer levels of copium, is beautiful

[umbral scaffold]

"I'll have you know you can only DREAM of understanding the nuance of Fatshark's misleading descriptions and cannot say anything until you learn what the skill in question doesn't say"

[strange sparrow]

Stim probably need a duration buff

[signal laurel]

There’s a weapon overhaul update?

[serene sage]

ThIS iS hOW NorMAL DistBUTIOn WorKs bTW

[torn root]

still can't message btw because I was busy grinding

[strange sparrow]

Especially the combat stim (red) one

[serene sage]

shut up you have no idea how it works

[wanton dawn]

Srsly though, i get slapped on a weekly basis on every single topic here

[viscid marlin]

Unironically my highest win rate is the loadout with my Agripiina MK1. It goes brr. And it goes brr at long ranges very accurately with deadshot.

[untold mulch]

I only bother with the damage and heal ones

I pick the rest, but I exchange them for those at earliest convenience

[untold mulch]

I am really liking it

[strange sparrow]

Yellow one is alrite

[merry gale]

yeah like people get mad that some new guy in chat doesn't know the hidden mechanics of some stuff that's literally written nowhere

[fierce steeple]

the only overhaul I want is the addition of the longlas, hotshot, and melta weapons. and some more 2 handed weapons for oggy and zealot

[strange sparrow]

Green is the best

Still don’t need blue and red cuz it’s redundant

[signal laurel]

Bolt pistol too dawg

[merry gale]

and they loose their shit and gank the poor fucker

like apes

[fierce steeple]

plasma pistol too. rule of cool

[serene sage]

of course, all the new guns are zealot exclusives

[viscid marlin]

I really want a long las too..

[signal laurel]

And lathe pattern boarding gun (kickback on the vet)

[torn root]

messaged me mad late in the day, and I am not allowed to work or anything before i can respond

[signal laurel]

It was funny ngl

[tiny summit]

If the recon worked with shock trooper like it did before, only took like half the dmg nerfs it took and maybe infernus being better it was serve the purpose of a ammo efficient low recoil sprayer. But all the numbers and it's interaction with shock trooper is so fucked that it's just a whole lot of disappointment in comparison to any other gun

[signal laurel]

Bolt pistol would be so crazy on both vet and zealot

[viscid marlin]

Yeah pretty much.

[untold mulch]

Exactñy

[torn root]

yall can have the bolt pistol

[crisp oak]

Bolt pistol would have to have lile 6 bullets to not be op

[umbral scaffold]

I still don't understand why recons don't have a similar finesse to autoguns

[torn root]

i just want back unnerfed chorus

[fierce steeple]

the brogryns need love in the weapon department most doe. I need more DAKKA

[untold mulch]

But Fatshark for some fucking reason

Decides that they need to nerf it first

Later rebalance

months later

WHERE IS IT

[torn root]

revert chorus and i will leave vet chat permanently

[umbral scaffold]

With a modicum of recoil control a player already makes better use of IAGs than recons

[viscid marlin]

Of course, people were having fun.

[untold mulch]

MultiLas for ogryn

[untold mulch]

Unnacceptable

[crisp oak]

Meltas

[serene sage]

no where, YTber told me it's good

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

no buffs needed

[tiny summit]

The heavy laspistol got a "heavy" variant. I need a extra heavy twin stubber

[signal laurel]

Autocannon

[crisp oak]

Heavy bolter

[serene sage]

stormbolter

[viscid marlin]

Pretty much. Before the autogun changes i didn't give them much thought but now my AGI MK1 is my best weapon.

[tiny summit]

Double barrel kickback that lifts the ogryn

[serene sage]

let me break my arm

shooting a storm bolter FS

you coward

[fierce steeple]

theyre swedes, so theyll be back to update after theyre holiday break in about 2 months, and then theyll have about 1 week of actual work before they go on another months plus long holiday for spring

[tiny summit]

Kickback jumping ogryn strats

[crisp oak]

Would love to see a two handed shovel

[signal laurel]

This shotgun on Vet only. Triple barrel lathe pattern boarding gun the imperial navy uses

[fierce steeple]

lascannon for ogryn when

[wanton dawn]

I am gonna put kurtosis in a video one day and i will look like a genius

[untold mulch]

Yeppp

[torn root]

2 handed power sword would be nice....

[untold mulch]

DAMN

[viscid marlin]

The shotguns have felt pretty underwhelming. i feel like i have to give them every possible buff i can just to eek out mid-ness from them.

[celest vine]

Im waiting for the tox ogryn boss

[serene sage]

start talking about regression to the mean like you have some clues and somehow justifies that as every weapons are euqally good

[torn root]

mid is not bad tho

lmao

[serene sage]

peak statistics

[signal laurel]

Triple shot would 1 hit a reaper, very high recoil and low mobility but insanely high damage

[celest vine]

So close

[torn root]

not everything has to shit on the 1st thing you see

[viscid marlin]

Yeah but like, most other weapons start mid and get good with buffs. shotgun starts mediocre and gets mid with buffs feels like for me.

[junior needle]

The whole line needs a lot of work unfortunately. The 6d would be alright if it had old shocktrooper and the crit strings but the other two were still not well performing guns in patch 16.

[wanton dawn]

This is vet chat. We all regress to the meanest

[torn root]

mid is fine, its average

[signal laurel]

But it’s so fun when it does

[serene sage]

everything is 50/50, it either happens or it doesn't

[wanton dawn]

Also we are all mean

[spark helm]

I wasn't able to complete my stat classes at the time. Fuck it go nuts.

[torn root]

trogies gotta be mean

[untold mulch]

But, Recon was OP af, it melted Crushers in a quarter of a mag

Lets ignore it was a very specific blessing choice and every Ogryn in a perfect line

[signal laurel]

Just consolidate all the combats shotguns into one and make all their “differences” blessings like tighter spread, fire rounds and what not and give us a new kinda shotgun that doesn’t blow

[wanton dawn]

Stats is kinda hard yo

[spark helm]

It is.

[fierce steeple]

I wish that the shotgun "alternate" fire was a toggle not just 1 round. let me load up a shotgun with 12 slugs/DB or regular buck/flechette or mix and match. Like my home shotgun, 1 round buck 1 round slug just in case an intruders got armor.

[serene sage]

it's okay, lots of misconceptions though

[wanton dawn]

Also math makes it harder

[tiny summit]

Make the slug shotgun only slugs

[serene sage]

(including myself, i fall for them sometimes)

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, that's one of the annoying parts

[wanton dawn]

I prefer stats with coding overview

[spark helm]

Doesn't help that my math skills needed some refreshing at the time.

[serene sage]

oh boy I have a gun to tell you about

[tiny summit]

Let me load as many special ammo as I have empty spots

[torn root]

actually

[umbral scaffold]

Having to reload a slug after already opening a bulwark is annoying

[viscid marlin]

yup

[serene sage]

what if I tell you there is a slug shotgun that is full auto

or single shot

[torn root]

the fact that shotgun specials arent you just swapping ammo bags is dumb

[serene sage]

with reverse damage falloff

[tiny summit]

It's not the same

[serene sage]

shhh

[torn root]

who loads just one slug then goes back to firing the other ammo

[serene sage]

let me sell you it

[untold mulch]

I would love for my Zealot to have only slugs

[serene sage]

this gun has even a bigger magazine than the slug shotty

[signal laurel]

Or a zealot with JUST fire shells

[torn root]

WHY would you only load 1 slug fire then do it again?

[viscid marlin]

is he going to say revolver/

oh

[spark helm]

But I'll have to relearn it.

Generally only hate stats when I consider the damage people have done running fucked research to produce said fucked stats.

So much time wasted to disprove shit like that than actually making progress with cemented collective knowledge

[viscid marlin]

sell me

[tiny summit]

Careful with that special stuff, it costs dockets

[serene sage]

and can one tap gunners, two tap ragers

[untold mulch]

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore

[viscid marlin]

he's going to say the bolt gun isnt he

[serene sage]

it's the boltgun yeah

[tiny summit]

Oh I already use that

[serene sage]

look, it is exactly what I said it is

[umbral scaffold]

"Three times as deadly, three times the magazine, three times longer to pull out"

[serene sage]

it's just a slug shotty with fewer steps

[viscid marlin]

if it didnt have that ready animation and i could full auto it aimed i might use it more

[torn root]

the dopamine killer?

[tiny summit]

Need BEEEG pump action bolter

[rotund wind]

what are good perks for this

[tiny summit]

To really sell it

[rotund wind]

idk shit about the swords but im liking the parry

[viscid marlin]

that long ass ready animation is what really kills the boltgun for me

[umbral scaffold]

Flak and maniac basically

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[viscid marlin]

the parry is the tits

[torn root]

not the reload?

[umbral scaffold]

Do not parry the tits

[tiny summit]

Post mag dump clarity

[junior needle]

Also that the dps wasn't even that good comparatively after they'd buffed all the other guns. Meanwhile CIAG has been allowed to thrive as the single best automatic weapon for multiple patches now. If the guns are gonna do poopoo damage they should at least have an incredibly deep ammo pool.

[signal laurel]

Need me a multi barrel shotgun with man stopper. Imagine the cleave and horde clear o ln the alt fire

[spark helm]

Y u say tht

[fierce steeple]

I also want the rotary grenade launcher for vet from the DoW 1 guard squads, let me be a walking mortar man with all the grenade perks and a rotary GL for max 'splosions.

[torn root]

yup!

[tiny summit]

Because it's true

[serene sage]

[rotund wind]

i want grenade launchers and double barrels

riot pls

[spark helm]

v_v

Ye..

[untold mulch]

Yep, but people are stupid

[viscid marlin]

plasma is 10 seconds, i can deal with the reload, the ready for having to swap between melee and then take it out to shoot something that really needs to die now and not being able to, and then finally getting to kill it just to have to swap back to melee for things in my face again really make it feel bad to use.

[torn root]

you ready the bolter for 2 seconds get that hit of dopamine, then reflect on life choices as you spend 6 whole seconds reloading

[signal laurel]

Triple barrel better than double barrel

[serene sage]

honestly if you land all 15 shots, engagements will end before you reload

[wanton dawn]

Truthfully you rarely need to go beyond the standard deviation in pratice. You already lost 95% of ppl anyway

[umbral scaffold]

Except for crusher patrols

Inshallah, one day bolter will kill 3 crushers

[serene sage]

true, except for crushers patrols

that you do need 2 mags

[spark helm]

:C

[torn root]

that's still 6 seconds when ever you have to though --- its painful

[viscid marlin]

my power sword kills crushers faster and more ammo effient then my boltgun 😄

[serene sage]

sprint cancel that shit idk, i dont even run any reload talent for bolt

well except for the mandatory 5% reload on the left tree

[torn root]

shouldnt have to use a hidden feature to make a weapon feel less shit

[viscid marlin]

i mean at that point you might as well just use a plasma, 4 more seconds but you get like 25 shots

[torn root]

admittedly it is a good tech tho

[umbral scaffold]

I didn't think plasma took that long to reload

[serene sage]

yeah, plasma is overutned, and you can sprint/swap cancel the animation for plasma too

[tiny summit]

Why stop at 3?

[viscid marlin]

its listed as 9.6 seconds, you can time it if you want

[umbral scaffold]

I thought they fixed that

[signal laurel]

Lore friendly

[torn root]

oy, a wah dat?!

[slow spade]

9.5 sec

[viscid marlin]

eh

[umbral scaffold]

I remember someone posting the sprint cancel way earlier in the game

[serene sage]

i promise babe, this usualy doesn't happen

[umbral scaffold]

Didn't work when I tried it, so I was like "whatever" and kept doing it normally

[signal laurel]

Also Lucius pattern krieg blunderbuss

[tiny summit]

It will gleefully reload after turning the entire shotgun party into mist

[viscid marlin]

i mean the punchthrough is really what makes the plasma as strong as it is. although i have found out now, that with the bottom mid keystone and the damage one on the right, i can one shot a crusher in the head with a non crit fully charges shot

[umbral scaffold]

Pump-action revolver shotgun

[signal laurel]

Doom stick for killing floor 2

[tiny summit]

Killing Floor 2 doomstick

[fierce steeple]

ah the krieg engineers favorite tool

[crisp oak]

Isnt that a china lake?

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly plasma's only limiters are the reload and the ammo economy

[torn root]

is that an automatic shotty?

[serene sage]

okay okay hear me out, what if survivalist ammo regen is reduced a 1/4

but it loads directly to your chamber

instead of your reserve

[slow spade]

4/1 and I'm listening 😎

[signal laurel]

No it’s a shotgun that someone made DIY IRL from wh

[umbral scaffold]

Even if you exclusively pull it out for the big shit, it's easy to start getting into them yellows

[viscid marlin]

no

[crisp oak]

Horrifying

[junior needle]

I think the issue is more on fatshorks end. They're perfectly capable of buffing a gun to be but great and satisfying to use (see kickback) and also be strategic with nerfs so it isn't dogshit afterwards (also kickback). They just refuse to do it to some guns but let others run wild without incident (ciag, old shredder, old bolter, revolver, plasma).

[umbral scaffold]

But I like that, means I get to line up shit and do other tomfoolery

[untold mulch]

Denied

[signal laurel]

A 4 gauge revolver lol

[serene sage]

damn

[untold mulch]

I guess is the good old no one in the dev team gives a fuck about it

[torn root]

at this point just make it Barden's passive and get it over with

[umbral scaffold]

I remember before P13 was a thing that I'd use exec stance to shoot shit through walls

[serene sage]

who?

[fierce steeple]

theres so much cool shit from TT that could be brought into this game

[torn root]

we all know where the insperation came from

[tiny summit]

What we really need https://youtu.be/puzuqS1D2Lc?si=Hm9NTT17kVKST-zX

[signal laurel]

There’s so many dope weapons they can put it from the lore. I don’t think we needed 4 new shovels

[signal laurel]

Ah 12 gauge long giga magnum

[umbral scaffold]

Changing the old one to have a new special was too much work

[torn root]

Bardin the dwarf

[spark helm]

This shit is great. Loved this channel

[umbral scaffold]

We need more variants to bloat the game

[serene sage]

what is that beam weapon from heresy?

the karamite? or something idk

[merry glade]

what trinkets/tree do i run to look like this

[fierce steeple]

I also wish wed finally get a true Kasrkin skin set at somepoint

[untold mulch]

Volkite?

[serene sage]

yeah that one

[torn root]

ALT F4

[umbral scaffold]

become one with fatshark's code and spawn as a bot

[serene sage]

can we handle volkite? or is that too high tech for us

ik it's heresy tech so it's limited

[slow spade]

Volkite is balanced we need it

[spark helm]

You remember...; w;

[umbral scaffold]

You can't get all that and +2 wounds

[slow spade]

Volkite is insanely rare

[viscid marlin]

i mean if we are going by lore, we shouldn't even be able to look at a beast of nurgle without getting absolutely gutted.. so we're already pasy what we can "handle"

and demonhost is far beyond

[serene sage]

idk, ive seen like a bunch of them lying around in W40K Boltgun game, can't be that rare

[signal laurel]

Fair

[torn root]

yeah lmao, just make specials and elites drop ammo / stims when someone kills a dude in your radius

[serene sage]

no one even bothered picking em up

[wanton dawn]

But what about... csm

[fierce steeple]

yea our convicts would be destination fucked after 1 mission due to nurgles corruption lore wise

[viscid marlin]

^

yep

[slow spade]

To be fair, daemonhost beyond like 99% of the playerbase UwU

[untold mulch]

Thats just Malum Caedo sheer chadness summoning it

[serene sage]

how about the sticky nade launcher

[slow spade]

He's attacking an Emperor's Children base that's why UwU

[untold mulch]

VENGUEANCE LAUNCHER

[viscid marlin]

wait normies cant kill it?

[serene sage]

yeah whatever, sticky nade

[fierce steeple]

Krieg mole launchers

[ebon umbra]

is there a 40k space piat

[untold mulch]

Daemonhosts are the usual

Oh shit oh fuck OH WAIT YOU MEANT PLAYERS

[serene sage]

pirate?

[umbral scaffold]

Give veteran the Market Gardener

[signal laurel]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

Barrel jumps do full rending and crit

[serene sage]

i want vehicle combat

DT can be like Battlefield

[untold mulch]

💀

[serene sage]

i want to drive a leman russ

[torn root]

ngl i dont think normal ppl couldnt even look at a chaos spawn for 30 seconds without being dismembered

[serene sage]

or at minimum a chimera

[slow spade]

Leman russ class when?

[viscid marlin]

nope

[ebon umbra]

imagine rolling for vehicles

[tiny summit]

I want a little guy riding on top of the plague ogryn guiding it

[viscid marlin]

nope XD

[ebon umbra]

1-3 mil ordo minimum

[signal laurel]

Adeptus arbites class when

[untold mulch]

We need a train mission where we need to advance through a high speed moving train

Every shooter needs a level like that

[tiny summit]

Who's also shooting at us

[umbral scaffold]

Planettide 2

[fierce steeple]

itd be cool if there was a mission to say escort a leman russ or chimera and 1 person could man the gun while the others escort it

[spark helm]

Wait like actually looking at it makes you blow up?

Shit

[slow spade]

Phospherex weapons when?

[untold mulch]

Our characters are top tier

• probably direct Emperor blessing

[slow spade]

I want to 1-shot kill a terminator

[serene sage]

I can't wait for them to balance in such a way that the mounted .75cal does worse DPS than the Revolver

[viscid marlin]

hear me out.. what if we got an escort mission where one of those leman rus tanks are actually still in working order, and its one of those "get this thing across the finish line so we can beat this big thing coming" kind of deals

[torn root]

no

[serene sage]

and you are flamed in chat for trying to use it

[torn root]

they are fast super aggressive killing machines

[slow spade]

Considering they use melta sponsons and a demolisher

That'd be fun UwU

[fierce steeple]

or get this to the front to kill the nurgle space marine boss everyones been begging for

[viscid marlin]

oh god yes

[ebon umbra]

lets use the leman russ to kill stragglers in the backline

[viscid marlin]

i mean escorting a leman rus through a map would be dope enough all on its own

[serene sage]

space marine would lose to a lemon russ with infrantry support

surely

[untold mulch]

No BS

CSM fight, 4v1 square up traitor

[serene sage]

final destination, no item, no stim

[slow spade]

Named space marine though...

[torn root]

i want a tyrranid boss....

[serene sage]

vets only

[untold mulch]

[viscid marlin]

we all want tyranids

[torn root]

like just give us 1

[crisp oak]

Which branch though

[viscid marlin]

or at least gene stealers

[fierce steeple]

ORKS

[crisp oak]

Fight an alpha boy

[untold mulch]

We are named characters though so its a fight for the ages

[slow spade]

Dominatrix-class tyranid when 😎

[crisp oak]

Alpharius ambush

[serene sage]

thousand sons

[umbral scaffold]

John Darktide playing his first damnation and jumping on the machinegun each time a horde comes because he dies to them otherwise (they're the hardest part of the entire game)

[viscid marlin]

whats that one stealthy tyranid? the assassin one with the two scyth claws?

[crisp oak]

Licker

[viscid marlin]

we need that as a boss

[crisp oak]

Nah just do genestealers

[viscid marlin]

have both 😄

[slow spade]

God fucking DoW2 flashbackd

[serene sage]

we have space hulk though

[untold mulch]

Genestealer Patriarch

Easy boss fight

[fierce steeple]

theres so MUCH cool shit they could add. lemme insert into a mission via the krieg tunnel breacher

[crisp oak]

I mean hiver genestealers

[umbral scaffold]

Genestealer patriarch, AKA "dad stole my jeans"

[viscid marlin]

yeeeeessss

[untold mulch]

Mission Objective: Recover the Inquisitor jeans

[ebon umbra]

i want twins hardmode stats published

[crisp oak]

Give 2 handed shovel must be true entrenchet

[serene sage]

we can escort a space marine, like that krieg fanmade one

[slow spade]

I want twins r34 published

[viscid marlin]

i want to beat it so bad but i havent been able to find a good team and the pubs are just.. well you know.

[fierce steeple]

only if I get to be a deathrider

[torn root]

Leapers?

[ebon umbra]

anyone get a zero dmg twins hard mode fight yet?

[untold mulch]

Perish

[fierce steeple]

this comment right here commisar, found the heretic

[viscid marlin]

if anyone wants to try and clear HM let me know cause i still need it and ive tried with randos but you know

[slow spade]

Does spamming VoC using stims count?

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[untold mulch]

Also mostly sure already exists

[umbral scaffold]

IT IS THE YEAR 40001.
THE INQUISITION HAS LEARNED TO MANUFACTURE SWEATPANTS.
THEIR WAR WITH THE JEANSTEALERS HAS LEFT THEM WITHOUT LOWER ATTIRES VIABLE FOR THEIR WORKING CONDITIONS.

[wanton dawn]

Implying it hasnt been done yet

[umbral scaffold]

And then idfk the Star Wars theme plays

[fierce steeple]

also, when tf are we ever gonna get some damn new ordo docket weapon skins aside from blue and red ffs.

[terse idol]

Honestly would be more suprised if it wasn't already done

[umbral scaffold]

I want a Star Wars rolling into narrated by the male cutthroat

[spark helm]

I hate him

[untold mulch]

New color
puke green

[slow spade]

Don't worry I made sure of it

[serene sage]

faith in humanity restored

[slow spade]

RGB lighting on my lasguns when?

[serene sage]

there is light yet, at the end of the tunnel

[untold mulch]

I need the Starfield laser filter

[serene sage]

there should absolutely be a mod for this

[slow spade]

There should UwU

[tiny summit]

Make my recon RGB and shoot to the tune of caramelldansen

[torn root]

PvP in Psychanium when?!

[untold mulch]

Just reminded me, my group is playing now a 40k ttrpg

and there was an ammo option for lasguns of "blessed powerpack" and specifically says the bolt looks blue/white

[serene sage]

we also need fart reverb mod for vet shout

supringly that one wasn't done yet

[umbral scaffold]

duuuuun duuuun dun-dun-dun-duuuun-dun dun-dun-dun-duuuun-dun DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUUUUN
WAR
THE KARKERS OF NURGLE HAVE TAKEN THE OUTER RIM FROM THE EMPIRE
THE INQUSITION LIES IN RUINS WHILE LE ROBÚTE GULÍMÁNE FIGHTS IN THE WEST END OF THE GALAXY
BUT THERE IS HOPE YET, A FRAGGING LEADER THAT WILL COMMAND THE ASSAULT AGAINST CHAOS TYRANNY
and then it cuts to the female loose cannon's origin story and her friend that used to be younger than her and isn't anymore

[slow spade]

Second verse, same as the first

[umbral scaffold]

he friend gets killed and she learns how to shout at people

[serene sage]

truly

[tiny summit]

Ed, Edd n Eddy sound board to shovel sfx

[serene sage]

that's not how spell rowboat girlyman

[umbral scaffold]

robô guilherme

[viscid marlin]

who all in here has beaten T5 HM twins?

I beat HM twins in a duo on T4 but i still dont have T5 HM clear

[serene sage]

me, once

never again

[viscid marlin]

damn i really want that bling

but i cant find a group T_T

[umbral scaffold]

I never did it, but it can't be that hard, can it?

[wanton dawn]

Its late i dont wanna do it tn

[torn root]

YOU NEED HELP?

sorry caps

[viscid marlin]

its hard.

[viscid marlin]

i really do

[umbral scaffold]

[tiny summit]

I still don't have the bell unlockdd

[umbral scaffold]

Is that why they call it hard mode?

[viscid marlin]

randos just dont cut it for that fight

[untold mulch]

What I am hearing about Robust Gigabyte?

[torn root]

i did it with 3 vets and an ogryn

lmao

[terse idol]

Honestly would play a 40k game just about how each of the vets voice lines came to be

[torn root]

I can help

[terse idol]

I like the idea that the loose cannon would still be the same rank as the professional

They just have different methods

[viscid marlin]

i wouldnt mind the help if you wanna try one, but we would probably need more

[fierce steeple]

the HM was a pain. I did it with 3 zealots and a ogryn.

[umbral scaffold]

Loose cannon is the ratling that never happened

[untold mulch]

I had the LC today being too happy about being surrounded

[torn root]

lfg for it fills up fast i think

maybe --- i did mine with randoms

over just text chat

[wanton dawn]

If you wanna do hm i highly recommend having at least one gunlugger ogryn in your team

[umbral scaffold]

"COME OUT AND PLAY, HERETICS"
"Will you tone that down, you'll bring the whole hive down on us"
"What's your point?"
"My point is there is 4 of us and thousands of them"
"WHAT'S YOUR POINT?"

[viscid marlin]

but what gun?

i was told ripper mk5 but it takes so long to reload

[buoyant axle]

ive got a incredibly low bar ask for a new class: how about an actual criminal lol. Give me a background as a clan hive enforcer with a ton of augments that they recruited because hes inexplicably resistant to chaos and doesn't care who pays him to kill

[torn root]

you can just join on my code for now, i can probably get 2 ppl easy

[terse idol]

Honestly loose cannon is a criminal

The background is him like beating up a guardsmen in an armoury

[umbral scaffold]

Loose cannon, agitator and idfk who else are criminals

[viscid marlin]

not gonna lie i dont even remember how to join on codes, let me see..

[tiny summit]

Probably was a boy scout who deserved it

[umbral scaffold]

Agitator burned down a bunch of people or something in the name of cleansing

[terse idol]

Don't get me wrong loose cannot is an incredible soldier but he's uh, rough

[umbral scaffold]

Loose cannon I think killed a dude and raided the armory

[terse idol]

Yeah

[buoyant axle]

its true, but someone outside military would be cool. and obviously they get a dual pistols option

[torn root]

Social > bottom right [find player]> copy paste my code

[terse idol]

You want a hive city gangsyer

[buoyant axle]

yase

[ruby hull]

yah know, i can see why falter doesnt work on the bayonet....it would be able to perma stagger crushers

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

"Raid" is harsh. I prefer "reallocation of assets"

[terse idol]

Knowing our military

He might have raided the armoury to get things for his own unit

[tiny summit]

Seeing maulers getting stunlocked is funny tho

[ruby hull]

it sure is

[terse idol]

The guy stationed there wasn't easily bribed I'm sure

So they had a fight

[tranquil bronze]

How is the second blessing?

[terse idol]

Not good

You want Brutal momentum

[umbral scaffold]

"Corporal, here at this hour? What is your business?"
"I've come to reallocate some assets by order of the major"
Then she pulls up a paper with some random scribbles, the guy leans forward to read and she punches his nose through it

[tranquil bronze]

Least it can be changed

[terse idol]

I'm not sure if you want to work with decimator but it's probably okay

But yeah no that's an okay rashad

[buoyant axle]

judge dredd esque

[umbral scaffold]

Blessings there are a bit oof

[buoyant axle]

seconding* motion for an arbites background too

[terse idol]

Decimator, BM might be alright

And you already have unarmoured so you're almost set

[umbral scaffold]

Limbsplitter is odd and decapitator is kinda wacky

At worst I'd change limbsplitter to brutal momentum

[terse idol]

You can easily proc decimator with BM and the breakpoint of scab bruisers

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe that 5s gives you leeway to walk over to an elite and one-shot it with the mass of finesse you'll farm from poxwalkers

[junior needle]

Unarmored/flak/headtaker/brutal is what you want. On top of very high offensive stats, depending on how much melee bonuses you're taking in the tree. Bruiser headshot one shots are very important for it. That one is scuffed unfortunately.

[terse idol]

Yeah a biit

Without headtaker you may have missed out on crusher 4 shot

I would try it

With BM

[umbral scaffold]

Decimator is still a nice choice, considering they buffed the requirements for chained hits

[junior needle]

Deci only stacks one at a time, so you will be going quite slowly with it and it also drops on misses.

[umbral scaffold]

Decapitator on the other hand...

Yeah, I miss the busted-ass stacking it had

But now you can push, block and even stop attacking for a short time

In an active situation the requirement is effectively "don't miss"

[junior needle]

Should've let you do that and keep the multistack honestly

[umbral scaffold]

I think they changed the stacks to 10 now?

[junior needle]

Mhm

[umbral scaffold]

That was the bad part of it

They made the stacks not get per hit and increased them

So you need 11 hits at full potential

[junior needle]

Meanwhile headtaker doesn't drop on a miss

[umbral scaffold]

I'd have been fine with 10 stacks stacking per hit or 5 only being triggered once

It's something very in favour of headtaker

I am a bit used to chains because I play with shred a lot

[junior needle]

I dislike the dropping aspect on everything, all it takes is my teammate doing one thing to fuck me up and all my stacks drop.

Meanwhile headtaker multistacks

[strange grove]

is agrip shotgun any good for a melee focused vet build w/ weapon specialist?

[low oar]

Yes

[tiny summit]

Running the shared vision for the team in exe stance lately. Been asking if they actually appreciate it and most say they do

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

I got like visual issues or my brightness settings is too low

So it reeeeallly helps when I see pure outlined elites

[tiny summit]

Sometimes I just pop it when no enemies are around or we heard them just to see for 5s

[digital sage]

Question: Does Deadly Accurate (The blessing) Mean that my crit hits on a weak spot deal lets say 70% more damage? Or is it just any weakspot hits?

[terse idol]

Crit hits on weakpoints

its very good though, paired with head hunter

[digital sage]

thank you

[junior needle]

Someone told me it only gives you like 60 damage on a k12

I wonder of that's actually true

[junior needle]

Agri shotgun is just worse revolver, especially if you're taking weapon spec.

[untold mulch]

I wish I could load full slugs

I run Revolver on my zealot, but goddamn I wish to use the shotgun

[gritty mural]

that slug shotgun would be so much better if they introduced a blessing that lets you load two at once

[untold mulch]

but only being able to use a single slug is annoying af

[neat stratus]

Or if you just loaded slugs to begin with

[terse idol]

The shotguns should just let us load as many of the rounds we want as we can

[neat stratus]

Aint nobody care about pellets

[terse idol]

But loading special takes longer

As balance

[neat stratus]

itd be a bit op

[terse idol]

You think the slug shotgun would be op with a full chamber of slugs

[serene sage]

Are you saying that a shotgun that only shoots slugs would be OP?

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

Change it back coward

[terse idol]

🗿

[neat stratus]

With how hard they hit, I think theres a good chance

[terse idol]

They dont hit as hard as a revolver

[neat stratus]

Or maybe not, I forgot how hard that was

[untold mulch]

Don't alert the revolver horde

[serene sage]

Are we doing this song and dance again

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

wait do, alert the revolver horde

[serene sage]

What if I tell you there's a shotgun that shoots only slugs

[untold mulch]

is always amusing to see them justifying

[neat stratus]

So why is revolver good guys?

[serene sage]

And has more bullets per mag

And reload faster

[untold mulch]

The Bolter Priest is speaking

[serene sage]

And can be full auto

[neat stratus]

Yeah but the bolter is the bolter, its excused

[serene sage]

[neat stratus]

Would be more upsetting if it wasn't one of the best weapons

[serene sage]

Well it ain't

[slow spade]

We need a Megabolter

[terse idol]

Honestly I wouldn't mind being able to load the dragons breath shotgun with only dragons breath

[serene sage]

Sadly

[neat stratus]

Its in the top 30

[serene sage]

Why was he doing this again?

[terse idol]

God that was a good movie

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls

[untold mulch]

Where this is from?

[serene sage]

I saw the movie, just can't remember why he was aiming

[vernal harbor]

Makin money moves

[serene sage]

Bullet train

[terse idol]

To show how lucky he was

the luckiest man meeting lady bug

🗿

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-spacehulk-deathwing-terminator-heavy-flamer-gif-26134742

[vernal harbor]

Gameplay from dicktide??

[serene sage]

vet is like top 4 best class, at the minimum

[fierce steeple]

Vet smoke grenade should aslo be a white phosphorous grenade. deal DoT to enemies in it. That would make it actually somewhat useful. I dont think I've seen anyone use it at all since it was added

[ruby hull]

goddamit poxbursters literally have not made sound for me all fucking week and its PISSING ME OFF

[serene sage]

but then it's just a fire nade

and we overlap zealot stuff

[untold mulch]

Depends on who you ask doesn't enter Top 3 though

[vernal harbor]

To anyone who doesn’t like smoke grenades y’all know you’re suppose to throw the smoke AT the enemies right because I’ve seen people really only throw it at their feet

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke grenade is pretty nice

[slow spade]

Zealots get smoke grenade to compensate

[serene sage]

i can get behind this

[umbral scaffold]

Yesterday I played with one of those

[ruby hull]

i like using smoke nades to block dog hordes

[serene sage]

okay okay here me out

[umbral scaffold]

Smelter whatever finale and the dude was unironically spamming smokes while we were fighting poxwalkers

[slow spade]

Smoke grenade users will one day realize you can put explosives into the grenade UwU

[midnight mortar]

Get used to it for at least another week if not more. Fatshark's on Winter break.

[serene sage]

we give zealot smoke nade and survivalist

[ruby hull]

dog jumps count as a ranged attack and they cant target you in smoke so they just sit there. its nice

[umbral scaffold]

I just malded in silence doing my "it's almost over, just a bit more" mantra

[vernal harbor]

Like I get why it sucks but you throw smoke at your feet and you’re still getting shot because the AI is assuming THE MF IS STANDINF IN THE BIG CLOUD OF SMOKE

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

in return we get fire nade and thy grenade by swift

i think this is a fair trade

[fierce steeple]

I havent seen a single person in any of my auric games ever use one. The only times I see them is if I drop to like heresy for some chill runs

[serene sage]

ive seen a few

they usually aren't bad but they also don't do much

[vernal harbor]

The reason to take smoke is if you’re doing close quarters deal, you throw it at a gaggle of gunners or ranged units, clear the distance to them and murder them in the smoke, a grenade might kill them but I mean smoke will get you there

[serene sage]

probably okayish players testing new builds

[untold mulch]

I saw a smoke vet a few days ago

He only used the nades when the fight was over

[serene sage]

if im in melee i would want frag for stagger or krak for boss stuns/carapce stuff

[untold mulch]

for some reason

[serene sage]

it's weed

[vernal harbor]

Yeah smoke compared to the others sucks

[serene sage]

you get the team high for the next combat

[vernal harbor]

But it DOES have a utility

[untold mulch]

Celebratory hit

[untold mulch]

exactly

[fierce steeple]

smoke needs a buff of some sort. the other grenades outclass it significantly

[umbral scaffold]

Some people suggested it putting out fires

[vernal harbor]

Smoke needs to make the ai stupider

[serene sage]

smoke nade can immobilize enemies

[vernal harbor]

It’s too good at them being like “well I can’t see them, unload into that smoke cloud”

[umbral scaffold]

I think making it a denial tool not only for ranged, but for fire, would make it interesting

[serene sage]

so not a stun

but a root

they can still shoot/melee

and you can balance around that

call it tar bomb, glue bomb, whatever

[vernal harbor]

If you get the extended timer on the smoke bomb, you can literally blind an entire horde and have them stuck for like 30 seconds

[serene sage]

would actually be useful for melee style

though my favorite way of buffing smokes is just letting people have a lot of it

increase the reserve to like 8

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t that just be smite but extra funny

[serene sage]

stockpile regen to 30s

you just smoke everywhere all the time

[vernal harbor]

Insane

[serene sage]

exactly

people would play smoke

for shit and gigs

which is fine

[neat stratus]

The cant see a damn thing playstyle

[obtuse raft]

We making our own vent purge modifier

[untold mulch]

Enemies can't aim

If I can't aim either

[fierce steeple]

I miss the pitch black modifier, that shit was so fun but I never see it anymore.

[terse idol]

Throwing it at your feet is okay

[untold mulch]

same

[tall torrent]

If u have no idea what you’re doing, neither does ur enemy
——Sun Tzu, I think?

[terse idol]

Throwing it 5 feet in front of your allies is not

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/django-unchained-full-regalia-bags-on-our-heads-criticize-i-cant-see-shit-gif-14443645

[vernal harbor]

Throwing it at your feet just blinds you I find

Still getting shot and still have people running in

[serene sage]

you see them people?

they can't see

[vernal harbor]

Just can’t see fuck all

[serene sage]

you can't see

i can't see

what matters is that the horses can

[vernal harbor]

“All that matters is can the fuckin ogryn see?!”

[serene sage]

they stand tall so they can see

it's perfect

[vernal harbor]

I’ve heard of this

BIG if it’s true

[untold mulch]

I am wheezing here

[torn root]

literally in an lfg group

all 4 of us crash at the same time

tyvm FATSHARK

[terse idol]

I Iike

Found if you stand dead center in the smoke you can easily see out

Damn it evidences

[vernal harbor]

“no. we don’t got any extra ammunition.”

Honorary mention of the day

If you use plasma gun

Suck something

[umbral scaffold]

HEAL YEAH! 42

[vernal harbor]

you got all ranged units outlined?

thats still insane

even if you had ranged outlined, you must have been in some deep shit to go for almost a MINUTE

[glossy swallow]

yayy

[strange grove]

I just played auric damn with a plasma vet no survivalist who would shoot lone poxwalkers

always low or out of ammo

[vernal harbor]

i want his name and i want him blocked

KILL that man

take his vet card

[strange grove]

Aaron

[vernal harbor]

the zealots can have him

https://tenor.com/view/smh-cigarette-gif-24294903

tf they teaching our vets in the meat grinder

[zealous depot]

would you say 20% ogryn damage or suppression immunity on the bolter?

I have a hard to conceptualizing how supp immunity practically feels

[vernal harbor]

20% ogryn but honestly neither

supp immunity is being able to aim without issues at attacking gunners and stuff