veteran-class

[midnight totem]

Not the innate shit like stamina that's bs

[bitter turtle]

Not a one thousand times folded steel to bisect a full plate katanagun

[torn root]

uugh this a diff topic but zealot innate staming regen is fine

creates a rift in character identity

[fossil basalt]

Now PSYKER stam regen? Lol that shit busted

[torn root]

and Vet has nodes that compete

[lofty lintel]

i think its fine considering how zealots constantly needing stamina

[midnight totem]

They have that already in health/toughness and skills

[torn root]

Zealot identity was to be a fontline slayer in most cases no? Melee focused, so they want to be a bit beefier and have access to stamina more no?

i dont see the problem with that design

[bitter turtle]

Like I think a good place for revolver would be similar to v7 damage.profile but punchier on maniac

[sharp ember]

shotguns watching revolvers delete crushers and penetrate huge columns of enemies to 1shot specials: 🧍‍♂️

[bitter turtle]

And slightly better with carapace

[midnight totem]

Besides I'm a well-conditioned former soldier of the Guard. You can't tell me I have worse stamina then a homeless crackhead with a knife

[bitter turtle]

It should one shot all lighter specialists but it shouldn't rip apart carapace

[torn root]

desperation when chasing the zeal of the emperor changes you

[humble nova]

Shotgun is another weapon I almost never see

Of any mark

[lofty lintel]

surprise surprise, because revolver is better

[bitter turtle]

2 of them are horde guns

[maiden pilot]

ey is this knife valid? got it from a mission drop. askin' cuz i'm not sure how important the first target stat is.

[bitter turtle]

And revolver shits on agri

[torn root]

the fact that shot guns are hoard guns is baffling

[lofty lintel]

shotguns are fine just overshadowed

i use the kantrael a lot

on zealot

[sharp ember]

absolutely unusable, First Target is a critical stat

[umbral scaffold]

The power of faith and drugs

[humble nova]

they got video-game'd again

[lofty lintel]

that is horrible

[torn root]

in most games i feel like they shouldnt put shotguns in

[maiden pilot]

thanks 👍

[umbral scaffold]

If it ain't the doom shotgun it ain't good

[lofty lintel]

[compact oak]

I mean it makes sense to me, pellets are not gonna pen thicker armor but should decimate the riff raff.

[torn root]

they always try to shit on the fact that they are actually good at most things auto rifles are good at

[humble nova]

The point is that buckshot isn't the only way shotguns are used

[midnight totem]

Wait. I got the solution

Change agri's slug shot to the same profile as a revolver round

[humble nova]

But how do you introduce a slug gun without it overlapping hard with other weapon types?

[compact oak]

Isn't that what alternate fire is for on most of them? I barely play with them.

[slate sleet]

scattershot manstopper kantrael shotgun is very good

[humble nova]

It's just a worse revolver at that point

[sharp ember]

waiting for us to get a double barrel shotgun to rival the ogryn kickback

[torn root]

you can mow down a line fo 10 men faster with an auto rifle compared to a pellet gun

[bitter turtle]

That's why revolver should not deal with carapace well

[lofty lintel]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

It would be perfectly fine as an anti specialist fast option

[lofty lintel]

Thank you

[bitter turtle]

V7 exists like this right now but with a slower draw speed

Revolver as a faster swapping version for mixed melee.would be viable

[compact oak]

I mean by nature it's a sidearm, it should just have very fast draw speed and good mobility to be able to compliment melee heavy builds

[umbral scaffold]

I’m depressed

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't need to cleave an ogryn in full plate with a simple vertical slash

[umbral scaffold]

Hope everyone’s new years was good

[lofty lintel]

Thats what it is, but it also does everything

And it does everything very effectively

To the point where its well, the best gun in the game

[slate sleet]

speaking of guns that are perfectly fine but get shit on all the time

[humble nova]

True, I got bored using revolver so stopped a while back

Guess that's as good a sign as any that it's op

[torn root]

this man tryin' to spit on my columnus?

[slate sleet]

i finally got a good recon and its just fine in auric

[torn root]

das' a block on my fight

[lofty lintel]

The cleave and ADM nerfs are perfect to make it a well balanced weapon that does the job its supposed to do

A quickdraw sidearm to deal with elites/specialists that are too far away for your melee.

[sharp ember]

which mark

[serene sage]

truly unfair

[wooden lotus]

i'm a little too used to plasma gun's general usability to swap back to revolver

even if volver is very good

[humble nova]

pgun too slow for my liking

Definitely a good gun though

[lofty lintel]

Lolol i think the columnus also needs a nerf im just not sure where

[torn root]

BLOCK ON MY FIGHT!

[wooden lotus]

my main issue with the revolver is the amount of times you have to go through the slow reloading anim even if it is way faster than plasma's

[serene sage]

i haven't played this game

since last year

[humble nova]

Stopping power is pretty busted on it tbh

[torn root]

it mos def needs a nerf...

[serene sage]

true story

[lofty lintel]

Weapons specialist

[slate sleet]

this thing

[bitter turtle]

Plasma needs nerfs as well, it should not play so well into melee builds nearly as it does now

[lofty lintel]

True

[sharp ember]

plasma is king, the only limitation is ammo, but if your team is willing to feed you then everything dies

[wooden lotus]

does weapon specialist on revolver need x amount of stacks to restore 1 bullet

[serene sage]

Plasma should draw slower and Boltgun should draw faster

[bitter turtle]

Why is bolter so clunky when plasma.switches so fast

[torn root]

if they hit the ready speed i think it would be a valid change

[maiden pilot]

what's the least important stat on a combat knife?

[serene sage]

don't call it chunky please, it's sensitive

[torn root]

make it as clunky as the bolter >:)

[sharp ember]

nope, minimum 1 bullet always

[slate sleet]

plasma and columnus will get gutted soon

[wooden lotus]

mobility, but you still want it fairly high to get 4 dodges

[serene sage]

oh clunky

i can't read

[slate sleet]

and when they do the game will be negative review bombed again

[wooden lotus]

that's fucking wild, that's better than i thought

[torn root]

bolter is the clunkiest piece of shit in this game

too much wait for my dopamine

[maiden pilot]

ah, ok. would fairly high be like 65% at least?

[wooden lotus]

if you literally get 4 dodges on inspection, it's good

65% hits that yeah

[serene sage]

i read it as "chunky"

[torn root]

that too

lmao

[lofty lintel]

I agree

[sharp ember]

i’ve abused it to shoot like 12 rounds continuously into a mauler patrol while feeding off melee trash kills

[bitter turtle]

Mobility bc the others all affect dmg

[slate sleet]

plasma should be just as slow as the bolter

[bitter turtle]

Enjoy rolling and suffering

[serene sage]

make sure we slap the nozzle of the plasma everytime

to make sure it's hot

[torn root]

knife has 4 important stats?

[serene sage]

[torn root]

ooof

[maiden pilot]

thx again

[serene sage]

just like how we throw away a bolt bullet

[wooden lotus]

personally i prefer the bolter be buffed in terms of speed of ammo econ instead

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[serene orbit]

you're just waking up the lil ratling who operates the plasma furnace

[serene sage]

everytime we pull the bolter

[torn root]

I Couldn't even bother with it then

[slate sleet]

dunno why we dont have a plasma pistol

[bitter turtle]

I rolled so many to get a decent one

[jolly hemlock]

im not really a shotgun user but aint this actually good?

[lofty lintel]

Its aight

2/4

[serene sage]

not bad, not great

[lofty lintel]

Dmg vs elites isnt great but not the worst

[serene sage]

it's also a kant so I don't like it

[compact oak]

Reserved for traitor captains exclusively

[jolly hemlock]

are the blessigns right?

[lofty lintel]

I dont consider it a dead perk

No

Flechette has to be there

[jolly hemlock]

well then fuck it

[lofty lintel]

Fire frenzy is good

[serene sage]

fire frenzy scatter can be okay tbh

not ideal, but okay

[slate sleet]

scatter manstopper is what you want on a shotgun

infinite cleave

[lofty lintel]

Flechette

Kantrael doesnt need man stopper

Lawbringer does

Kantrael likes scattershot flechette

[serene orbit]

It's so weird how flechette is good or bad depending on who you ask. some say it's awesome or a great meme build with scattershot, some say flechette itself is really underperforming and manstopper or any other blessing would be better in tandem with scattershot

[torn root]

opinions

[lofty lintel]

Flechette is the go to on kantrael, it doesnt need more cleave because the special attack has literally infinite cleave

[slate sleet]

you dont have enough crit to make felchette usable without scattershot

[torn root]

often times dont match up

[serene orbit]

this is the internet, what are those

[lofty lintel]

Thats why you run scattershot with flechette

[slate sleet]

the special attack does 0 dmg

[lofty lintel]

Tripping

[wooden lotus]

ive actually kinda neglected weapon specialist

[torpid sundial]

I'm guessing this is dead

[slate sleet]

why do you need to fire slug a crowd when you can just shoot it and get the same result immediately

[wooden lotus]

is it litereally just always 33% crit on one shot + 20% attack speed on 10 stacks

[torpid sundial]

Karking hadron

[lofty lintel]

Ur using the wrong shotgun if thats what you want it to do

Kantrael is THE answer (shut up revolver) to packs of ragers and bulwarks

[slate sleet]

i have a flechette scattershotgun kantr

it was meh

[torn root]

yup, specifically for something

[white minnow]

the fire shot has infinite cleave

[low oar]

Kant is going to pierce the entire group and stagger all of them since infinite cleave

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[white minnow]

and goes through bulwark shields

[lofty lintel]

It doesnt need manstopper, it needs flechette

[low oar]

Also since it's a spread and lmao minimum pellet count, hipfire hits a ton more enemies and does more damage

[slate sleet]

you use fireshot to proc full scattershot and then fire normally for infinite cleave 600 dmg shots

[bitter turtle]

U can get decent crit for shotguns no?

[lofty lintel]

Yes with scattershot

[bitter turtle]

Opening Salvo deadshot

[serene sage]

deadshit

[bitter turtle]

Lul

[serene sage]

i run deadshot agri

[slate sleet]

deadeye does not add nearly enough crit

[serene sage]

it's good

[slate sleet]

to proc flachette

[torn root]

OY!

[serene sage]

why run kant when agri is the objectively better gun

[wooden lotus]

not by itself, no

[low oar]

Hipfire on the Kant is really good since you get a way bigger spread of pellets to apply minimum pellet count

[lofty lintel]

Does 2 different things

[low oar]

Kant is objectively better imho

Agri is fun though

[slate sleet]

the agri shotgun? its a totally different use weapon

[torn root]

THATS ME FAVOURTIE TALENT YOUS BE TALKIN ABOUT THERE

[serene sage]

agri is subjectively objectively better

[serene orbit]

now I just need to find flechette

[lofty lintel]

No they fill 2 different niches.

[slate sleet]

agrip is basically a dmr

[lofty lintel]

Lawbringer and kantrael are the only valid comparisons

[sharp ember]

you can salvage 3/4ths of it
swap sprint effic.
deal with keeping infested
keep thunderous
swap rev it up to Bloodletter/Headtaker/Slaughterer

[serene sage]

why is it called a shotgun anyway, it's a gun, of course it will shoot

[lofty lintel]

Agri is the objectively worse revolver

[low oar]

Lawbringer is a joke

[bitter turtle]

I typod deadshit

[lofty lintel]

Agri is an objectively different gun from the kantrael and lawbringer

[bitter turtle]

Lul

[torn root]

lmao

[serene sage]

and kant is the objectively worse agri

[lofty lintel]

Its not

[low oar]

More follow up shots but less cleave. Revolver also just needs a nerf

[lofty lintel]

Both do 2 different things

[serene sage]

tis'

[serene sage]

they shoot

same difference

[lofty lintel]

Kantrael is for one thing agri is for another, you cant compare them

[wooden lotus]

its refers to how it shoots specifically shells or buck/birdshots instead of bullets

[untold mulch]

At last I am noticing a lot less revolver users

It was getting silly

[sharp ember]

it guns shot

[wooden lotus]

which is, do not get me wrong, confusing terminology

[torn root]

They use to just be called long-guns and long-rifles and i think at one point we needed better signifyers

[untold mulch]

50% of my PUGs were Revolver users

[wooden lotus]

you do shoot shots

[serene sage]

yeah but why aren't guns called bullet guns

[low oar]

There's still a ton. Wdym

[lofty lintel]

Kantrael is for crowds/bulwarks/packs of ragers whereas agripinaa is for armor

[low oar]

The high crit rate is sorta ridiculous

[wooden lotus]

because a normal gun fires bullets, hence no need for clear descriptor

[untold mulch]

A month ago it was every single match

[serene orbit]

shells, shot, buckshot, birdshot, slug

[lofty lintel]

But for armor you have revolver 🤷‍♂️

[low oar]

And the reload being singular isn't that much of an issue

[low oar]

There's a ton of other good options, but revolver is objectively overperforming

[lofty lintel]

^^^

[serene sage]

sounds kinda discriminatory, idk

[untold mulch]

You are preachign to the choir

I agree, revolver hits silly

[wooden lotus]

the reason why there's a lot of less revolver users is because that tanner guy keeps saying its not super overperforming

[lofty lintel]

Just nerf the damn revolver thats all

[untold mulch]

The who?

[low oar]

Who the fuck is tanner

[torn root]

shotguns might be called shotguns because they had the most variances in bullet types that they shot?

[lofty lintel]

Any opinion you see on youtube is stupid

[serene orbit]

but my one-shot-almost-everything gun ;-;

[lofty lintel]

Idk who tanner is

[untold mulch]

Imagine using Youtuber opinions for your gameplay

[torn root]

nah man

[untold mulch]

kinda cringe

[torn root]

idk

[wooden lotus]

idk man i've seen some jive-ass opinions here

[lofty lintel]

Fuck your one shot almost everything gun.

[torn root]

youtube has decent info

[serene orbit]

i mean I can try

[serene sage]

i have the best opinions here

[serene orbit]

the muzzle is a but.. stubby, though

[low oar]

The CMs read through a lot of various sources, but I think the best and most consistent is the FS forums

[lofty lintel]

And youve also seen them be rapidly countered by people who know about the game

[wooden lotus]

youtube does have decent info, it's just a matter of not believing everything you hear

[serene sage]

real

[lofty lintel]

Or not, i wouldnt know

[fossil basalt]

Smokes are good

[crude ermine]

I've ditched my precious revolver for the Columbus V

[wooden lotus]

i mean yeah but you're giving me that advice as if i'm listening to people with bad takes

[serene sage]

meta chaser

:<

[torn root]

welcome to the Church of Columnus

[wooden lotus]

i thankfully do not

[lofty lintel]

Most of what ive seen on youtube is bad takes

[crude ermine]

I like fast shooting guns

[lofty lintel]

I did assume tho, sorry

[low oar]

I may be biased because I made a "buff plasma pls" thread before patch 14, and then I got a plasma buff including my want for ogryn highlighting back which no one else asked for ime

[lofty lintel]

Im speaking from experience here

[wooden lotus]

it's mostly the content creators over some weirdo in his basement that likes 40k

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[serene orbit]

seriously though, i love my revolver but at some point I thought to myself, would I have more fun firing small pieces of metal from different hand-held cannons?

[tacit sonnet]

I am not sure, do I really need headhunter on recon? In patch 13 I would absolutely get head hunter, but now with how shit crits are on this gun, I think dumdum might be better. What do you think?
https://i.imgur.com/48QMbC4.png

[torn root]

we shaming out here?

[low oar]

I'd still run headhunter because of shock trooper

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[low oar]

It's still shit but it works

[slate sleet]

its good

[wooden lotus]

im shaming content creators because they mislead people a little with what value they place stuff on in builds

[untold mulch]

Good luck

[wooden lotus]

like kinetic flayer

[slate sleet]

used basically that exact same gun like 2h ago it popped off

[torn root]

I would say what this community needs

[crude ermine]

Nah, revolver is the clear way to go

[low oar]

I don't watch a single content creator tbh. They're just people

[serene sage]

flashback to chocoB crackhead randomizer builds

[tacit sonnet]

thanks, I'll need it

[crude ermine]

So long as no bulwarks show up

[untold mulch]

"Content Creators" and their fucking meta slaves are a blight to any online game

[torn root]

We need content creators that just give information without bias

like actually

[wooden lotus]

^

crightt pls

[serene sage]

if they actually show meta, it's okay

[lofty lintel]

Unexistent

[low oar]

I will become a content creator just for you since I have the best opinions

[lofty lintel]

That is heresy

[torn root]

BET

[serene sage]

Darktide YT sphere seems to revolves around flashy but trashy builds

like OMG muh one magging bosses builds

[torn root]

yup

[lofty lintel]

Well jokes on you i have the best opinions in the world and 40k universe

[serene sage]

full glass canon bs

[lofty lintel]

My opinions come from Big E himself idk about you

[torn root]

with cheezy build names

ngl

[fossil basalt]

Actually Horus does

[serene sage]

I am Horus

Last name Heresy

of course

[torn root]

Look at this SUPER ULTRA MEGA DPS SHWOUD FIELD ZEALOT BUILD

[serene bough]

Im comfortable with my build

[midnight totem]

Shut up John Darktide

[lofty lintel]

LMFAO

[serene bough]

I don't mind if people share their flashy builds

I like variety

[orchid musk]

The only person I follow is the Emprah.

[compact oak]

I still don't understand how they didn't see the betrayal of Horus Heresy, I mean it's in his name

[untold mulch]

I had a match a few days ago with all meta guardsman equipment

They doing silly dps, killing enemies left and right

The second they were in a tight spot I had to run over to revive their ass

[serene sage]

sharing is different from recommending though since the people who looks for build guides on YT usually don't know better

[torn root]

I need me some MilknCookies Darktide vids

no builds tho

[slate sleet]

i guess its funny

[torn root]

I dont see the problem there

[slate sleet]

might as well try it again

[torn root]

glass cannon is fun for some people

[lofty lintel]

Yup

[crude ermine]

It's great if people actually have the skill to not shatter the glass instantly

[untold mulch]

I didn't mind, but it was very clearly silly

Like homie this is a T5 maelstrom, please try to stay alive

[lofty lintel]

Flechette is the go to because it enhances what the kantrael is supposed to do

[fossil basalt]

It's how I play my laspistol psyker

[serene sage]

common misconception, there wasn't a imperial religion back then
so most people just assume Horus Heresy is just a quirked up name and ignored it

[torn root]

YOU KEEP ME ALIVE, lmao my job is to SHOOT

jk tho

[serene sage]

but here's a life lesson

when someone close tells you there will be troubles, believe them

[low oar]

Knife builds 🙂

[torn root]

dafuq

[fossil basalt]

Knife=/=glass

[low oar]

Tbh a zealot knife build is like a titanium cannon with how much DR and toughness Regen you get

[serene sage]

you know that Psyker voice line that goes like "I'm still alive, YES"

[crude ermine]

I eat glass

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

it makes me wanna sing Alive everytime

[low oar]

Vet stealth knife is pretty vulnerable if you fuck up

[serene sage]

ah ah ah ah staying alive staying alive

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[crude ermine]

"still alive? Lucky me I suppose"

[fossil basalt]

Not dead yet? Lucky me!

[serene bough]

idk, the two kind of go hand in hand, gotta trust someone to relay information at the end ofthe day

[fossil basalt]

I'm not dead! SPLENDID!

[serene sage]

idk why but I hate them lines

and love them

at the same time

[sharp ember]

what do you guys think of the new knife

[fossil basalt]

I WILL SURVIVE!

[serene sage]

it's lovably repulsive

[fossil basalt]

Haha carotid slash go brrr

[crude ermine]

I love how psyker cheers aren't like everyone else's they're just glad to be aliveb

[untold mulch]

I had today my LC go

"WE ARE SURROUNDED....YEAH!"

[lofty lintel]

Some people like it, imo its trying to do something it wasnt made to do

[untold mulch]

Homie is having fun

[serene sage]

the alternative is becoming Big E breakfast

i, too, would be grateful

[crude ermine]

Or having a Daemon come into you facehugger style

[serene sage]

Or having a Daemon come into you
stops reading

[crude ermine]

Idk why I added facehugger

[low oar]

Elites are a bigger issue than horde, so I still prefer the mk3. The mk3 is weaker at horde clear, but that's just solved with stabbing more

[fossil basalt]

I've been alternating new knife between lacerate+mercy and uncanny+mercy+serrated blade

Dunno what I like more

[torn root]

lmao

[serene sage]

great minds think alike

[torn root]

would for a daemonette tho

[low oar]

Ew bleed builds

[torn root]

fuck the golden throne

[fossil basalt]

I'll do it before I get sacrificed

[serene sage]

@bitter turtle from a scale of 1 to 10, how slaaneshi are we?

[serene sage]

going out with a bang

literally

[fossil basalt]

Something about grading evil, I'm sure

[untold mulch]

#zealot-class pass the flamer please

[torn root]

yall talk about vaporeon and shit

yall are long gone

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly I most likely would end up being one :/

[serene sage]

I don't

[umbral scaffold]

With how depressed I am

[serene sage]

I have never mentioned that pokemon, that's degeneracy

[bitter turtle]

Definitely 10 here

[serene sage]

so far, im into to the normal stuff

like Latios (human form)

[crude ermine]

Get your own

[fossil basalt]

Hey guys did you know that in terms of human companionship, Flareon is objectively the most huggable Pokemon? While their maximum temperature is likely too much for most, they are capable of controlling it, so they can set themselves to the perfect temperature for you. Along with that, they have a lot of fluff, making them undeniably incredibly soft to touch. But that's not all, they have a very respectable special defense stat of 110, which means that they are likely very calm and resistant to emotional damage. Because of this, if you have a bad day, you can vent to it while hugging it, and it won't mind. It can make itself even more endearing with moves like Charm and Baby Doll Eyes, ensuring that you never have a prolonged bout of depression ever again.

[umbral scaffold]

…..

[crude ermine]

Uh

Oh huggable

[torn root]

that's normal?!

[untold mulch]

I had my infernus Recon but Fatshark nerfed it to the ground

[lofty lintel]

I think you will get more mileage out of uncanny mercy serrated blade

[umbral scaffold]

Let’s hope new weapons next patch

And new class maybe

[lofty lintel]

No

[umbral scaffold]

Or at least more character slots

[lofty lintel]

Lets hope they balance stuff

[serene sage]

would

[umbral scaffold]

Buff the Ogryn power mace

[torn root]

NAH MAN!

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, but lacerate's kinda needed for the horde cleanup in any decent window

[lofty lintel]

Their focus should be on balancing op weapons

And abilities but i wont get into that conversation

[torn root]

just balancing weapons in general

[fossil basalt]

Iron Will rebalance when

[torn root]

some of the weapons legit lack identity

[crude ermine]

When the sun turns blue

[serene sage]

ironic you're asking #zealot-class of all people

they are far far gone long before we even started

[torn root]

Iron will 25% DR while above 50% ?

I would take that

[serene sage]

revserse?

[untold mulch]

Shit, true

[serene sage]

50% while upper 25%?

[torn root]

yeah lets make it more broken

[fossil basalt]

I just want it to be a choice, not a near-requirement

[serene sage]

no isn't that what it is right now?

[crude ermine]

We're Talking about drug powers

[humble nova]

Headhunters have entered the chat

[torn root]

it IS a choice

lmao

[bitter turtle]

It is a choice tbh

I never ran it b4 fire changes

[wooden lotus]

a lot of the problems that would be solved with darktide tree should be like how vermintide had passives on character classes

[serene sage]

like, actually?

that's what it is

[wooden lotus]

shit like demo stockpile should be baked into vet tbh

survivalist too

[lusty jetty]

bruh what

Headhunters are good

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

[crude ermine]

The middle section of the tree after shout could see some changing

[bitter turtle]

V7 has big identity

[torn root]

50% DR when HP>75%, you said 50%DR when HP>25%

[crude ermine]

The ones with the uhhhh

[torn root]

THATS A HUGE ASS BUFF

[crude ermine]

I can't remember their names

[humble nova]

They're a worse version of other weapons, sitting in a middle ground

[lusty jetty]

Everytime someone clowns on headhunters I am absolutely convinced they've never used them

[serene sage]

no no I said UPPER 25%

[bitter turtle]

No other gun takes out gunners faster than v7 lol

[wooden lotus]

survivalist and the middle section of the the tree are overcentralizing with how potent they are

[serene sage]

UPPER 25% is 75%+

[crude ermine]

Oh yeah the ones with born leader

[lusty jetty]

Vraks VII fucks hardest, Vraks III fucks hard, Agripinaa IX needs a boost

[torn root]

my bad then wording

[crude ermine]

Whatever the hell that does

[lofty lintel]

Agree

[crude ermine]

That section could see changing

[lusty jetty]

If you get your breakpoints right the Vraks III absolutely devastates elite packs

[wooden lotus]

just like, this entire portion has so much good shit baked into it

its insane

[lofty lintel]

Agripina headhunter is very subpar

[torn root]

good

[bitter turtle]

Quite literally the avg v7 game

[torn root]

now make more sections like it

some of the vet nodes just shouldnt be on the tree

[bitter turtle]

You kill like 3x the gunners of everyone else lul

[torn root]

AURA RADIUS?!

[umbral scaffold]

Tried it it’s not the best

[torn root]

remove that shit

[serene sage]

petition for you to censor the bot name, too

[umbral scaffold]

It’s unique but nah

[bitter turtle]

I'd do it if i was home 😔

[umbral scaffold]

It’s same with auto pistol

[lusty jetty]

You have to handle the Vraks III a bit different than normal guns

You don't aim -> click

[umbral scaffold]

Auto pistol before perks use to be super op but now it’s in the mid tier

[lusty jetty]

You just continually fire and chain shots together while traversing across

[serene sage]

oh yeah it's like night no wonder you're here

[lusty jetty]

So it's an autogun wih extreme range and more accuracy than any of the IAGs

[bitter turtle]

Its OK to be mid tier

[bitter turtle]

Yeah it's 1 am lol

[umbral scaffold]

My main build is a dead shot Helbore Crit build

[crude ermine]

I used to use the weapon a lot, especially when I was bored of the infantry lasguns and wanted something that felt nice

[serene sage]

shredder TTK is horrid, idc what you say

[umbral scaffold]

Still it’s mid cause it can still kill but not as much as back then

[crude ermine]

I haven't returned to it since but I could fit it into a mf build

[torn root]

oy

[lofty lintel]

autopistol sucks ass

[umbral scaffold]

I could TRY to remake a build for Agripana and Brace guns again with the whole aim Crit but I doubt it run good

[torn root]

the Church of Columnus is taking in new members

daily

hourly even

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah and my Baby Helbore is still meta

[lusty jetty]

Vraks VII

[serene sage]

Eclipse IE Greaves Kraken BC?

[umbral scaffold]

me when I Crit in one hit on a crusher

[crude ermine]

Lemme just...give it another taste and I'll come back to clumbus

[serene sage]

idk what MF actually builds

[serene sage]

petition for you to change your mod options so this shit is actually readable

[umbral scaffold]

Oh btw there is a perk in the middle key chain tree I forgot the name but it’s 3% chance to get 20 percent power

[crude ermine]

I'm sorry I'm kinda woozy from earlier after drinking what did you just say

[umbral scaffold]

It’s super tight

[untold mulch]

Competitive Urge?

[serene sage]

i said you're the cutest person I don't know

[crude ermine]

Oh

[lusty jetty]

big number good, more big numbers goodest

[crude ermine]

I thought I was still drunk

[lofty lintel]

Alcohol is bad

[serene sage]

I mean, I wouldn't know

[lofty lintel]

Playing darktide high is an insane experience

[crude ermine]

It was new years

Week

[bitter turtle]

Why are you drinking instead of farming coagulating gels and RMA in ak

[crude ermine]

I AM

BUT TJE CIVILIANS

FUCKING SUCK

[bitter turtle]

Lol

It's not the best mechanic they've done

I still hate the ink colors more

[serene sage]

The what and the what

[bitter turtle]

Arknights stuff

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[torn root]

ARKNIGHTS?!

[bitter turtle]

Barknights

Woof

[umbral scaffold]

So is weed who cares

[crude ermine]

I do need the material from the 8th mission for reealter's ability leveling

[lofty lintel]

I wasnt being serious

I drink often

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah this is the build

[crude ermine]

But that just warps back to

[umbral scaffold]

@untold mulch

[lofty lintel]

I enjoy drinking

[umbral scaffold]

You don’t even need coherency to get it

It’s like a free boost

[serene sage]

📸

[bitter turtle]

I don't really need mats anymore since I have like 130 characters e2 lol

[umbral scaffold]

For no reason

[bitter turtle]

I even e2 windchimes

[serene sage]

It's okay

Better with friends

[wooden lotus]

im a social drinker exclusively

else its not really any fun

[umbral scaffold]

Why worry

About drinking

[crude ermine]

I just like leveling operators

[umbral scaffold]

This is darktide reject

[slate sleet]

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[umbral scaffold]

No time to drink

[crude ermine]

Even if I may not use them besides for a niche

[serene sage]

I don't like being high

Tbh

I can't think

[bitter turtle]

I leveled everyone so I could spitefully bury my lvl 1 silverash

[serene sage]

And I hate it

[bitter turtle]

Also for IS fun runs

[crude ermine]

I never actually ran an IS I just realized

[serene orbit]

that's fair man. personally that's the reason why i get high

[crude ermine]

I should

[bitter turtle]

You're literally not playing the best part of AK 😔

Every game should have a roguelike mode

Roguelike dt when

[crude ermine]

I'd give it a year and a half

[torn root]

idk about that one

but a big maps in DT that has random missions on it would be nice

@bitter turtle

[bitter turtle]

I want to scavenge weapons

[wooden lotus]

this is also why i get high

i dont do it all the time but i wanna just feel good when i dont have anything better to do

fortunately or unfortunately a lot of the games i play require i be sober to enjoy them so i typically dont get stoned unless im socializing in a low-stakes game

[umbral scaffold]

Why are we talking about this

[crude ermine]

Scavenging shit and going through different levels is fun as hell, but I do suffer from the feeling of failing a godlike run then feeling nerfed for a bit

[umbral scaffold]

No time to talk high shit

It’s time for the emperor

[lofty lintel]

Oh for sure, with friends its an experience

[wooden lotus]

you act as if the most devout soldiers of the imperium dont get stoned sometimes

[serene sage]

Wait roguelite DT could be fun

[lofty lintel]

But by myself i enjoy some whiskey from time to time

[crude ermine]

Especially through shit like this

[umbral scaffold]

The devout ear corpse starch

[wooden lotus]

that one space marine legion literally gets smashed from consuming normally-lethal poisons

[serene sage]

You get more and more talent points as you go along

[lofty lintel]

Play quasimorph.

[serene sage]

With crazier and crazier spawns

Until it's all bosses

[lofty lintel]

You are literally talking about quasimorph

[bitter turtle]

I want to be forced to use suboptimal guns we scavenge

[copper barn]

If Space Wolves can get absolutely cronked so can rejects.

[lofty lintel]

Yep thats quasimorph

[lofty lintel]

Im 100% serious you described half of quasimorph

Top down 2d roguelike/extraction looter/rpg

[serene sage]

who is your main?

[jolly hemlock]

i was thinking the same i think both works tho tbh

[crude ermine]

Honestly

Between captain, arti, huntress and railgunner

Couldn't get into bandit

Loader is fun but same story

[serene sage]

Arti?

[wooden lotus]

artificer

[crude ermine]

Artificer

[serene sage]

ik

she's just so slow

[wooden lotus]

railgunner is peak

[serene sage]

=.=

[wooden lotus]

arti is a bit of a clunky char but she's fun

[serene sage]

I like playing Loader

[crude ermine]

I'm trying to get captain's orbital ability

[umbral scaffold]

No they cannot

[crude ermine]

Gotta drop a supply beacon on mithrix

[serene sage]

that grappling hook charge fist combo tickles my brain

[wooden lotus]

you know typically people like you more if you talk to them about what they like instead of doing a bit that kills the vibe

aka let people enjoy things

[serene sage]

I didn't even say anything bad

[wooden lotus]

anyway loader makes me feel good inside when i chunk a boss for 40% with a single punch after i b-hop slide into it

not you

[serene sage]

oh

[wooden lotus]

you're good sweetheart

[lofty lintel]

Ive never played ror2

Despite being such a big fan of roguelikes

I have no idea why

I should play it

[wooden lotus]

its worth a try

its cheap and fun alone or w/ friends

i dont really play it too much anymore bc i got burned out

[serene sage]

it's good, I hate the term "must-try"
i don't think any game is ever "must-try"
ror2 is more of a "should-try" game

[umbral scaffold]

yeah I think the new shovel is my favorite vet weapon

[lofty lintel]

Fair enough, thats me with darktide

[serene sage]

the story is shit tbh

[umbral scaffold]

very nice feeling weapon

[serene sage]

idc what theory people comes up with and who the mithrix brothers are

[serene sage]

the story is non-existing, you're there for the gameplay, simple as

[copper barn]

You’re not my commissar

[umbral scaffold]

\

[wooden lotus]

the story's basic premise is pretty fucking good imo

ror1's limited reveal was really good

the worldbuilding is also stellar

[serene sage]

the setting is cool, the story is boring

[wooden lotus]

ror returns doesnt have bios, it just has documentation and logs of people arriving onto the ship

[crude ermine]

My mithrix has a habit of falling into the void

But hey it helps me skip the pizza phase or make my run faster

[serene sage]

isn't there a strat that makes mithrix take fall damage?

[crude ermine]

Yes

[fathom rose]

there is

[crude ermine]

The only two characters I haven't unlocked yet is voidfiend and acrid

[serene sage]

yeah i can enjoy those things, some of the descriptions logs in RoR2 is also cool
worldbuild is great, though I maintain my opnion that the story is at best servicable

i think the cyborg ninja in RoR2 description is a short story

[crude ermine]

Better than MW3 at least

The newer one

[serene sage]

which is kinda okay, simple but good enough

[terse idol]

That bar is very low

Mw3 has a reverse story, it hurt the franchise

[torn root]

pretty hard not to beat MW3 ngl

lmao

i could write a short story in 1 paragraph and beat that

[cloud shadow]

What do I roll here?

[crude ermine]

Fucking...lemme use this as an excuse to dunk on it lol

[serene sage]

i dn't think i ever touched a single CoD or Battlefield game in my life

well that's a lie, maybe like a few hours when i was a kid and knew nothing

[torn root]

not a shooter fan?

[serene sage]

i played unreal tournament as a kid

but 90% of the times is spent on RTS

[torn root]

so twitch-shooter fan

[serene sage]

oh the golden days of SC, Red Alert 2

it was fun

[torn root]

oh lawd SC

[serene sage]

i remember when Red Alert 3 came out

and i uninstalled all the stuff on the family PC on a 16GB hard drive (yes, 16GB HDD)

only to find out that my computer can't run RA3 to begin with

[torn root]

this was me for TWWH2 ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO

shit sucked me in hard

then CA disgraced us with Total War WH3

[serene sage]

Is wh3 bad?

I played a limited amount of tw

[torn root]

significant downgrade from 2

smaller updates

and expansions

the expansions are smaller at a higher cost

clipping and stability issues

models issues all that i can get around

but the game had a few balancing issues too since they changed some systems

the way the game is balanced is weird because balancing affects how units perform or die depending on your unit size scale that you play with

which is something that affects computer performance

[terse idol]

That was the case with twwh2 too

I mean, skaven especially benefited from epic unit size because they were meant to play wide

[torn root]

yeah im just noting that for twwh3 they seemed to only balance at the lower end of scaling

[torn root]

yup

unit scale could change if you needed 1 or 2 gunners

also shat on cavalry

[south vessel]

Ok, I just had a great death I need to share. I ran back to a medicae to heal (nobody came with me), a sniper spawned and immediately shot me... which sent me back into the trapper net I'd just dodged, and of course a bomb landed on my corpse immediately afterwards

[sour prairie]

Departure

[torn root]

beautiful

[sour prairie]

imagine if humans rather than being the generators of consciousness were in a sort of a parasitic relationship with it what is the consciousness was an underlying inseparable factor of reality existing outside of and unconditioned be human brains.

[jade notch]

Yep, it do be like that sometimes.

[untold mulch]

Soldier, what the kark are you talking about?

[sour prairie]

is your red the same as mine?

[untold mulch]

I need my decaff for this

[torn root]

for the most part

yes

we generally know what colours are what based on what we normally percieve without any occular defects

[untold mulch]

It should be, though as long as we agree that red is red eh, good for me

[torn root]

color blindness*

i think the only time you can't agree on a color is when it blends into another

like green-yellow or yellow-green

likt wtf is that?

[sour prairie]

weird color

[torn root]

then you have ppl who work in color that can tell the exact hue of a color at a glance

down to the numerical value of the shade

[serene bough]

chill, its not even noon yet

[sour prairie]

feeling a lil funky

[serene bough]

you mustve had a wild new years

[torn root]

are white and black colours?

and what makes a shade?

[serene bough]

color is a visible wavelength of energy

shades are comprised of variations of said energies in which we percieve as a different color

[torn root]

so wouldn't white and black be both?

[serene bough]

black absorbs all color, white transmit all color

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[torn root]

this is untrue

you can make black absorb less and more light

[untold mulch]

I am calling the inquisitor

[torn root]

a new black was created last year lmao

[grave dock]

whats a good vet build for leveling?

trying the class now

[serene bough]

the purity of the color black indicates the degree in which it can absorb light well

[terse idol]

Well black is just the absence of light

[serene bough]

i.e. the blacker the black, the more absorbant it is

[terse idol]

Take experience on your curios whenever you can

[torn root]

im not denying that but there are just weird things about it

like its not the ONLY color that absorbs light

[grave dock]

yeah that i know, but im looking for a talent / weapons combo for leveling until 30

[sour prairie]

black is the thing we see when we close are eyes when we die and the thing humans fear is the darkness the shade of black has more meaning then just one

[torn root]

and its not just the total absence of said light

[serene bough]

all colors absorb light except white

the color wheel is a thing

[terse idol]

I do always recommend experimenting, but go Middle and take VOC with toughness gain, no shout revive

[torn root]

so would this make white a color AND a shade?

[terse idol]

Don't take early level combat axes

[torn root]

or just one not the other?

[torpid sundial]

okay I actually like the chainaxe now

[terse idol]

But most melee will be good enough

[torpid sundial]

its overhead ravage is hella strong

[serene bough]

black, white, and everything in between is a color. Shades are comprised of different ratios/quantities of anything on the spectrum to produce more nuanced variations of our basic colors

hence why you get different blacks

or different whites, pinks, purples, etc.

[south vessel]

Do Vet and Ogryn shovels share blessings?

[serene bough]

why am I talking about color in vet chat

[south vessel]

(sorry to interrupt your colour chat)

[serene bough]

I need to go back to bed

[wooden lotus]

if you mean between characters, no

[torpid sundial]

everything absorbs and reflects certain wavelengths of light, our eyes detect those wavelengths within the visible light spectrum, our brains process it

[wooden lotus]

if you mean literally, they share a lot of them

[torn root]

because its fun!

[wooden lotus]

i'd have to check if they're identical

[jade notch]

No, sadly.

[serene sage]

I don't see color, I think everyone is equally worthy 😎

[south vessel]

Feck sake, FatShark

[torn root]

OY OY OY!

[jade notch]

Ogryns have their own weapon pool independent of all the other classes, so none of the Blessings from the other classes carry over.

[terse idol]

Theyre different to be fair

[serene bough]

unless theyre a heretic

[sour prairie]

sorry i made your brain fry

[serene bough]

its ok my brain was already fried from today's events, if anything this is a lighthearted distraction to boost my mood

[torn root]

why do colors incite emotion?

🙂

[sour prairie]

none

[untold mulch]

Human Brain is the result of millions of years of Fatshark quality patches

[serene bough]

im no neuroscientist but certain sensations elicit certain responses

or maybe it's all just social conditioning

[torn root]

I accept both answers

Bulls hate red though

for some reason

[serene bough]

red is a very passionate color

represents both love and hate

[torn root]

red = impulse

[torpid sundial]

all animals eyes have different variations/amounts of recepters

they do not see color exactly the same way we do

[torn root]

i know that

some see more some see less

[serene sage]

Red
The blood of angry men

[thick rose]

hey kuro did you know carrots make you see in the dark? 😛

[torn root]

THEY DO?!

[torpid sundial]

Humans and colors are more psychology based though

[serene sage]

Black
The night that ends at lasttyttt

[thick rose]

nope

[torn root]

i thought that had to do with reflection membranes in our eyes!

[idle swallow]

god brain dead infiltrate vets just spraying columnus a thousand years away from the team and doing literally nothing

[torn root]

you keep Columnus out of that comment

[torpid sundial]

carrots don't actually improve eyesight anyways

[thick rose]

bulls react to movement, the color doesnt matter

[sour prairie]

Do colors make emotion? or is it what we thought to believed and are brains make us think colors relate to them after years of evolution development of the mind do they?

[thick rose]

id say they are colorblind to red but that might be a myth like the red thing

[torpid sundial]

Instinctual, psychological and cultural

[torn root]

well we know for a fact they can see red

maybe not the exact way we do tho

[torpid sundial]

like red for chinese relates to luck, but red is also the color of blood and danger for most people

[sour prairie]

thank you i try

[wooden lotus]

brain

[torpid sundial]

tldr, it depends

on the context

[wooden lotus]

it's the same reason why people think haribo gummy bears taste differently from their actual flavors

[sour prairie]

fellow jesse

[untold mulch]

I refuse to accept they don't

[wooden lotus]

sibling

[sour prairie]

flavor is a process of the brain

[sour prairie]

are you also told we need to cook

or is that just me

[wooden lotus]

constantly.

[thick rose]

hrmmmm

[serene sage]

Strawberry should be pink

[terse idol]

I think myth busters tested it

[torn root]

we can be conditioned to feel a certain way before going into it, but they do illicit a certain emotional reaction without posturing someone's thoughts

[serene sage]

This is heretical

[wooden lotus]

i love breaking bad though

so i dont mind

[serene bough]

never seen breaking bad

i will eventually

[wooden lotus]

it is very good

[torn root]

WHY THE FUcK

IS STRAWBERRY GREEN?

[sour prairie]

it is

[wooden lotus]

green secretly the best color

[serene bough]

my favorite color is purple personally

[sour prairie]

i have green eyes

[wooden lotus]

blue and pastel pink are my favorite and runner-up respectively

funny it ends up being the trans flag colors lmfao

[terse idol]

Pastel colours slaap

[torn root]

I like metallic colors

idk why

[sour prairie]

[wooden lotus]

[serene sage]

Trans flag is cool

Better than ace flag

Who tf think black and purple go together

It's depressing

Like

[atomic zephyr]

dark green best color

[crude ermine]

GREEEENNN??!!?!

Grr

[atomic zephyr]

greer

[torn root]

any dark color

[crude ermine]

I like yellow

[fathom wedge]

This thing salvageable for horde clearing and defensive use?

[atomic zephyr]

yellow is solid

[torn root]

doomed

[fathom wedge]

Elites to flak I think, no idea on the blessings.

[sour prairie]

taking the notes

[atomic zephyr]

thunder strike is good no?

[fathom wedge]

It's middling I think?

[wooden lotus]

its okay

[fathom wedge]

I'm fine with rank 3 blessings tbh.

[wooden lotus]

personally a bigger fan of decimator skullcrusher

Mods

Crush his skull

[fathom wedge]

Not sure if standard shovel would want infested and unarmored for trash clearing or something else.

[terse idol]

You want

Skull crusher

[torn root]

today i realized that juming is not that abd

[terse idol]

And decimator

[torn root]

apparently you keep innertia when jumping lmao

[terse idol]

Thunderstrike isn't good imo

[torn root]

^

[fathom wedge]

Do perks matter much?

[torn root]

yes

[serene sage]

What does it do?

[fathom wedge]

I've been DIDDLED AGAIN

[inland orchid]

Impact is nice but damage is cooler

[torn root]

Thunderstrike affects impact on already stunned/staggereed enemies

[serene sage]

[fathom wedge]

Guessing unarmored/infested or ye olde maniac/flak

[sour prairie]

im a big fan of claw sword

[terse idol]

No infested

[tranquil bronze]

I'm a fan of whatever kills my enemies most efficiently

[terse idol]

You want like

[tranquil bronze]

That... and I love lasguns

[terse idol]

Fuck I don't even know with shovel, I got flak and cara

You could make do with maniac but I gotta test

[fathom wedge]

I think my issue with flak and cara is I'm gonna ideally be shooting those shits anyway since I mostly run my monster revolver and plasmeme.

[serene sage]

You know, chickens are dinosaurs

So we are eating dinosaurs everyday

That's kinda lit

[sour prairie]

im not a big fan of las guns

mostly cause im a automatic fan boy

[serene sage]

Somehow full auto in Darktide feels light

Idk how to describe it

[fathom wedge]

Depends on the weapon to me.

Heavy brauto feels chunky, enemies freak out about it and are quickly staggered.

[muted knot]

infinite auto hellgun works in scab only no ammo pretty well

[torpid sundial]

why did my weapon suddenly become single fire

is there a button for that somewhere

[serene sage]

Do you have mod?

[torpid sundial]

I turned off all the mods regarding those kinds of things

also I'm using the infantry lazgun

It was working normally, I got revived by someone

and it turned single fire

[pastel geode]

Infantry lasgun has always been semi auto

[sour prairie]

if your using bolter aim in becomes single fire not aiming is auto

[torpid sundial]

wait, infantry lasgun is single fire?

[sour prairie]

all of them are

[torpid sundial]

wtf

I swear everything is off

[pastel geode]

Yeah, recon las is the full auto one

[sour prairie]

there is a full auto las

lvl 30 vet

and i dident know

[pastel geode]

Sounds like the game’s rng has kept it from showing up for you then

[fathom current]

Could just get it from Brunt

[sour prairie]

im feeling like

[torpid sundial]

oh wait those are the autoguns

huh, not sure how I'm able to auto it then when Ive turned off all the mods regarding fire

[keen wolf]

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I found an ork shoota

[dusk junco]

Should I use the mk iii power sword with vet? Also I see people on yt running the Columbus mk v inf autogun which I already had. Problem is that they seem to have perfect recoil control, both horizontal and vertical. I rolled a 377 with 77 stability and still have the gun jump around. Anything perks or things I should do to fix this?

[white minnow]

standing still/crouching helps with the recoil

[hollow ibex]

ps vi is better but iii is perfectly fine

A weaker ps vi is still a good weapon lol

[tranquil bronze]

Decapitator good for Rashad caxe?

[umbral scaffold]

Never ran it too much

Try it out fist

Finesse is Crit damage btw

[torpid sundial]

and increased weak spot damage

apparantly

[umbral scaffold]

Which I like

I mean the rashad hits the head either way

I gotta get the tan one though

And I need my catachan mk IV knife to be 380 Xc

[spark helm]

Most you're going to be able to do is run executioner stance. Overall, control your recoil with the assumption your gun is going to flail everywherw.

You don't really have a reason not to. Especially if you're going full auto when you start firing.

Also, personally don't think you should worry about your item rating the way you think. It's not like it's exactly an item level like in something like d2. Outside of anything else I don't know. Higher item levels just give a higher spread of stats on average, nothing else really. That and having a higher end rating following consecration.

[raw steppe]

First step is to stop watching people on youtube

and to just try out a few different weapons

[tranquil bronze]

So far... I like it.

Oh... got lucky there.

[stone birch]

Needs that weakspot damage blessing and it'll be good

[next spade]

what should I do with this? noob with power sword

I have power cycler 4

[serene sage]

Well slap it on and call it a day

Supercharge to PC4
Pox damage to Maniac

Bam

[obtuse raft]

Swap cycler in for supercharge I'd assume.
Slaughterer is great and I don't think perks matter THAT much on a roll that good

[agile mango]

Worth upgrading?

[obtuse raft]

If you have the mats stockpiled, sure. I don't bother gambling on greys personally.

[raw steppe]

wot lol

gambling on grey items is the primary method of progression in this game

[granite shale]

Are boltguns better for sharpshooting? I run it in my build all the time but wonder if there’s something better for crowd clearing or getting rid of snipers / shotgunners

[raw steppe]

plasma, revolver, hh autogun

[umbral scaffold]

I'm adding another one to the "Fatshark balanced the game around each match always having a survivalist vet" list

[obtuse raft]

Bolt gun is fun and works great but it's draw speed is so painful.
I adore the headhunter auto guns personally.

[ebon umbra]

survivalist used to be innate

[obtuse raft]

You have the ammo to shoot forever and if you are accurate you have really fantastic elite clearing

[raw steppe]

tbh i rather they just remove it lol

[ebon umbra]

LOL

[umbral scaffold]

Same tbh

[ebon umbra]

honestly it wouldn't be horible

[umbral scaffold]

The game already is made without survivalist in mind

[raw steppe]

i have games where i lose because we don't have ammo aura, and one guy just plays like a vacuum

[white minnow]

take a shot to survivalist's kneecaps

[raw steppe]

sucks up all the ammo

we lose

[torn root]

why do ppl hate on survivalist?

[raw steppe]

and he doesnt even realize

[ebon umbra]

survivalist but only with all psykers

[white minnow]

cuz it fucks with the game's ammo economy

[ebon umbra]

[white minnow]

and makes balancing impossible

[raw steppe]

that it's his fault

[torn root]

by how much tho?

[umbral scaffold]

I don't hate survivalist as much as I hate people enforcing it

But yeah, it fucks the ammo economy

[white minnow]

a good amount

[torn root]

you have like what? 20% more ammo from it

[obtuse raft]

Because it singlehandedly gives many many weapon types effectively infinite ammo

[torn root]

even lower on some guns

[umbral scaffold]

Well, considering specials spawn infinitely, you theoretically have infinite ammo

[obtuse raft]

Which is very fun, but not a good idea

[white minnow]

it's the same for all guns since they removed the minimum limit of 1

keep in mind that survivalist procs on kills from teammates in coherency

[torn root]

plasma gun gets at most 10 more shots from survivalis

[umbral scaffold]

You also get ammo from other people

[white minnow]

and grants ammo to all teammates

[torn root]

other guns get like +1-2 reloads

[raw steppe]

you must be really bad at aiming then lol

[white minnow]

you are severely underestimating the effect of survivalist

[umbral scaffold]

Each kill regenerates 1% of the total ammo from everyone in coherency

[raw steppe]

plasma gets so much ammo

[obtuse raft]

Do you get like 20 elites a whole match?