veteran-class

[carmine bronze]

darn

i love melta

XD

[junior needle]

Both unarmored and flak are required for bruiser breakpoints last I checked, as well as very good offensive stats. It's less stringent if you take melee damage nodes in the tree but that's if.

[carmine bronze]

i use it in rougue trader it a huge aoe burst attack

i think it be neat to have one of those lances

from the keigsman calvery

[wanton dawn]

Perk should be analyzed within their tree

[junior needle]

🤓

[wanton dawn]

Imagine nerding when testing without talent

"Achctually" much

[junior needle]

Well aktchually it's good to establish a baseline level of functioning that's independent of talents 🤓

But for a serious reply

I don't think the 15% melee damage from the tree (if you take both melee nodes) will substitute for the 20/25% damage you need to hit them bruiser breakpoints

Although if you have a truly godroll axe

With max stats

You may be able to avoid it in that case

[wanton dawn]

There is weakspot dmg, rending, dmg aura, 15% melee and melee finesse bonus

On top of my head

[junior needle]

"damage aura"

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, it exists

[junior needle]

I didn't want to assume the person in question was trolling

[muted knot]

lets play a game of " who ran the plasmagun"

[wanton dawn]

Tell that to azreal

[junior needle]

Doesn't he primarily just solo/duo games

I don't think he's lacking for ammo

[wanton dawn]

It isnt trolling ?

[junior needle]

If you don't have a team they don't really need ammo

So I suppose in that context it's not

[kind otter]

Thoughts? Mostly melee with plasma secondary. Superiority complex to ogryn/monster damage?

[junior needle]

But soloing/duoing with your buddy is uh

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, instead of debating about nothing interesting i am just gonna check the requirement

[junior needle]

Not exactly the intended way to play the game

[serene bough]

I dont run ammo aura anymore

[wanton dawn]

Troll found

Stone him

[serene bough]

What did i do im innocent

[delicate estuary]

Pubs gotta work for their ammo

[kind otter]

Best ammo aura is a psyker that doesn't steal ammo from vet

[wanton dawn]

God emprah saves this unbeliever soul for he does not now daway

[serene bough]

Summary execution for me it seems

Goodbye vet chat had a good run

[serene bough]

Well, 99.99999% of vets run it anyways

[umbral scaffold]

Walk slightly faster, kill slightly faster or guaranteed supply of ammo

They are the 3 choices for vet auras

[junior needle]

With pleasure

[serene bough]

I just don't like playing the game with training wheels on anymore

[tranquil bronze]

The ammo regen aura is survivalist right? I just picked that because I thought it was the most convenient.

[carmine bronze]

is it true that if you die to plasma gun you can get the psycher explosion achvement

[junior needle]

It's overwhelmingly better than its alternatives for your team

[serene bough]

Its more than convenient

[umbral scaffold]

The game with training wheels is being in lower difficulties

[serene bough]

No I need to spice up my maelstrom games

More handicaps

[carmine bronze]

i only play 4/5

[torpid sundial]

I built plasma gun but decided I didnt like using it

[carmine bronze]

anything lower is boring

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think anyone will queue up in a game and see a vet with an aura other than survivalist and be like “wow that guy is a rebel”

[tranquil bronze]

Hmm... I'm thinking of swapping exec stance to VoC

[carmine bronze]

me who is stealth vet with movement speed aura

XD

[tiny summit]

dont listen to the voices

[muted knot]

Just had a very calm 4 vet game on hab dreyko

[junior needle]

As someone who's playing zealot and ogryn now, that is definitely not my thought on seeing that.

[umbral scaffold]

When I saw a vet with the movement aura I cried tears of joy and happiness, as I realized that it took the blood sweat and tears of my ancestors to give this man the freedom to make the wrong decisions

[serene bough]

I dont queue for other people's thoughts i queue for me entertainment

[torpid sundial]

I got a pretty good chainaxe but no idea how to use it

Even the lights feel really slow

[umbral scaffold]

For movement speed you’re better off taking the node on the right side tree and just running like.. a laspistol or something

[carmine bronze]

here guy you can relate to this https://youtu.be/jTD6q962W8w?si=g6Dg9UZzC_Nlq5WB

[carmine bronze]

i use the revolver

[muted knot]

Right ?!! I don't get what the hype is all about

[torpid sundial]

Maybe you can one shot crushers

🤔

[umbral scaffold]

Idk if the revolver runs as fast as the laspistol but they are similar sizes

[torpid sundial]

But dealing with hordes is pretty ass

Laspistol is faster

[carmine bronze]

i just love the speed loader

[torpid sundial]

Like laspistol slide is +0.5% or something and revolver is -12%~?

Pretty noticeable

[wanton dawn]

Also i confirm that you can reach OS on dreg bruiser without flak but you need either damage aura or a a damage buff such as headtaker or redirect fire

[serene bough]

Is there ever a scenario in this game where movespeed is useful outside of zooming through everything with a knoife

[carmine bronze]

but i may switch to the new laspistol

i havent tried it yet

[torpid sundial]

I’m using the laspistol X its good

[white minnow]

plasteel shlerping and engaging before your teammates can

[serene bough]

New pistol is solid

[carmine bronze]

it just the never ending hunger plasteel

feel like i never have eniough

[torpid sundial]

I cant believe the lazoistol has such a fast and clean reload speed and it still has checkpoints in the animation

[carmine bronze]

well lasgun always been somewhat relayable

[junior needle]

Without the melee talents? Very surprising.

[wanton dawn]

Nah, you need everything 🤓

[carmine bronze]

i like the stealth side rez buffs

[junior needle]

😭

Don't forgor to mention that

[serene bough]

Res perk is nice

That's when movement speed feels meaningful

[carmine bronze]

yup

also rezing down destealth

so always nice

dont *

so you can rez hidden

good for the new twins boss

sadly i been running into snags with finish lvl 5

[white reef]

Guys, do blaze away cause changes on crosshair of guns?

[carmine bronze]

so what are the best blessing for the new las pistol

in your gusy minds

guys

[median merlin]

4 veterans, maelstrom damnation. waves of specials, specials become monstrosities.

only one got into the elevator at the end.

but we won

[carmine bronze]

nice

[junior needle]

75% casualty rate
Decisive victory

[median merlin]

lmao was gonna say that mission was the most astra militarum thing i ever saw

[placid portal]

Darktide Exploration be like,

• Search room
• Find box
• Open it
• Empty

[white reef]

3 death and over thousands heretic purges

Even all 4 death is a victory

[wanton dawn]

I just realized that the build i showed in my video is almost my hellbore bayonet build

[placid portal]

[tiny summit]

an acceptable loss

[placid portal]

A reject lost every 1000 heretic killed is a big gains

heck even 100 killed every reject lost is profits

[carmine bronze]

yeah i am amazed every time one team kills 1k heratics for the small price

[placid portal]

power of named character buff

or a fraction

[carmine bronze]

who else want a voidsman at arms outfit for our vet

[placid portal]

If cosmetics gave buff that'd be the next stage to pay to win

[placid portal]

Yo this guardsmen using vraks Mk3

[carmine bronze]

yeah it a navy soldier

i love the navy side of the imperium

[white reef]

Does marksman activate for voice of command ability?

[placid portal]

Void warfare is something imo it sounds cool

[placid portal]

ye

[white reef]

How long does it last?

Oh, 10s

[vernal harbor]

what a sane thing a faithful soldier would do!

[carmine bronze]

faith isnt everything but it sure does help !

[carmine bronze]

he has a krak granade !

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

but they aint a crusher lad

you know krak on humanoid is illegal

[carmine bronze]

depend what the imperium consister human i guess

XD

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-woman-confused-awkward-gif-16861336

i gotta get outta this warband

[carmine bronze]

like for one ogren are human

but where do they draw the line

idk

40k is quite unclear on adhumans

[vernal harbor]

imma be straight up with ya laddy

i dont think our lives are valued in any regard

i think we're all krak-able

[carmine bronze]

oh god no they dont care aboutn my life or yours

XD

i hear the vox chatter we all expendable

[vernal harbor]

ask any guardsman

thank you guardsman jones thatll be all

[carmine bronze]

lol

i enjoy a good fight

but when everything tries to kill me it sure make that choice clear

i either kill all enemies or die trying

welp off to make that pistol

[delicate estuary]

https://youtu.be/4p2nYORTnkY?si=8oNhHlYAUfju4sWd

Do we get an update by end of January or end of Q1

That's the real question

[carmine bronze]

gungdam style XD

[umbral granite]

Made this. I use it on my grenade-support build, and it's pretty fun.

[carmine bronze]

wish the perks were better but looks nice

[umbral granite]

It could be better on the perk department, but it's good enough.

[torpid sundial]

I use ghost on the lazpistol

Its underrated

The was a sniper who fired at me from behind and I reacted too late

But bam took zero damage because I was shooting some gunner’s head

Also you can stand absolutely still and tank an entire patrol of shotgunners/gunners

[umbral granite]

Ghost just says "Yeah, gunners are kinda useless against me."

[tranquil bronze]

Is this a good buy?

[vernal harbor]

thats what my whole cosmetics say

"nah id win"

[vernal harbor]

also no i wouldnt

[tranquil bronze]

Catachan swords no good?

[muted knot]

they are but blessing and perk are both bad

[tranquil bronze]

Well there's a naked one for sale

[terse idol]

Not that one, Dclaw with the sword has better combos

Trauma is a bad blessing

For flclaw

[muted knot]

this seems saveable right ?

[delicate estuary]

Upgrade to purple and if the second perk is good then upgrade the T2 blessing to a T4 you don't want to get (preferably one you dont want to get rolled) and gamble the second blessing. If good second blessing you can reroll the melee crit perk

[terse idol]

Yeag that's a good start

[umbral granite]

If that were a mk 4, i would consider getting it, but it's the mk 7 so... no

[tiny summit]

I mean...

[vernal harbor]

correct me if im wrong but like above 77% its just personal choice to keep striving for all 80% and perfect perks

like in use 77% on most stuff is very fine

[quick steeple]

depends on the weapon / modifier / setup which varies

all about BPs if you want to get min-maxy

[muted knot]

you mean what

[tiny summit]

correct. I even think +60s are fine for the majority of players but depending on how much you have invested into the game that min-maxing is the goal

[tranquil bronze]

Brunt was somewhat good to me...

[tiny summit]

carapace is nearly useless, infested is too few enemy types, between in the eyes is kinda alright but vet can have full suppression immunity

[flint garden]

now get hadron to not brick it

[muted knot]

whats the best perks forthose lasguns ?

[tiny summit]

usable but its definitely not gonna be optimal

[tranquil bronze]

I know Flak is a must

[median merlin]

effing idiot shot a poxburster that was in my face, when i was about to push it

[tiny summit]

flakniac basically

[muted knot]

so flak for carapace and deadly accurate instead of between the eyes ?

[median merlin]

deadly accurate when you can reliably headshot/weakspot hit, it's a good blessing

[tranquil bronze]

So what's the perk for Rashad caxe?

[tiny summit]

havent done testing but flak would probably be good for the flak helmeted chaff

[umbral granite]

I made this because i thought rev-it-up was better than it actually is... now i kinda regret making this.

[quick steeple]

needs more leather jacket and 2stroke noises on hotmic

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah I'm definitely keeping this caxe

[terse idol]

Unarmoured

MAYBE Maniac

But you need the 2 blessings too

Brutal momentum, Headtaker

But you need unarmoured

As a vet

[placid portal]

I like shred

Crit hits make it possible to 4 hit crushers

[terse idol]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm not quiet convinced

[placid portal]

Not over head taker for sure though

Best I've got for now

[terse idol]

Defiently not over BM

Since it'll weaken your cleave

[placid portal]

nah BM is best in slot tbh

[terse idol]

that's why we run unarmoured

Yeeahhh

It's hard

[placid portal]

Law Shotty really good to use in Hab dreyko

super close quarters and does wonders vs mob control when the grenades aren't up

Still looking for Man stopper

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is must, 2nd could be flak/maniac/elite

2nd is really whatever, it’s unarmored u care for

Flak is prob best as 2nd tho

[umbral granite]

Tapping Devil-claw counter to parry a plague ogryn's stomp will never NOT be funny to me.

Same for spamming counter and just deleting a swarm of ragers.

[terse idol]

I doo have flak.. I'm just struggling to find a use for it

I almost feel like carapace is better just because overheads with Rashad on Crushers and maulers

[tall torrent]

Usually you build for breakpoints and Rashad can:
4 overhead crusher & mauler
2 overhead bulwark & reaper

[umbral granite]

in brunt's right now, good plasma-gun or bad?

[terse idol]

I gotta

Get Rashad help

So unarmoured/Carapace?

Head taker, BM

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + preferably flak
BM + Headtaker

[terse idol]

hmm

[tall torrent]

High stats for dmg, penetration, finesse and first target

All 4 must be high

[terse idol]

I swear I got a 69 in here

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1190816205502685294/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.30_-_19.37.31.01.mp4?ex=65a32d03&is=6590b803&hm=febf6f1bf455befa3e58f995a6be51fd57c50a20f4424c423a16839c35bde8e6&

[placid portal]

It's so over I can't find manstopper

[gleaming turtle]

How do you build the new shovels?

[placid portal]

thrust + skullcrusher or decimator or uncanny

[tall torrent]

Mk7, uncanny + take a swing

Mk3, thrust + skullcrusher prob

[terse idol]

I swear

[torn wasp]

how would you all rate this blaster?

[terse idol]

If my 2% finesse is hurting his thing

[sharp ember]

very comfy, would rather Blaze Away 3 than Volatile

for the extra boost when blasting bosses

[terse idol]

and uh, because I got BM2

[torn wasp]

ill have to get that one. i can swap out another thing too. probably swap out the flak armored enemys for max unyelding

[sharp ember]

I would support that

[torn wasp]

also does blaze away count for charged shots for "continuous fire"?

or just blasting norm shots?

[sharp ember]

yes, if you start charging immediately after the last shot

but doing uncharged shots only is generally better

[torn wasp]

pog. def gonna start rolling some extra side guns now for it then.

[placid portal]

Manstopper exists but hadron does not give

[terse idol]

That's crazy

[placid portal]

This is a tragedy

[terse idol]

You're telling me, that 2% finesse is actually stopping a BP on a crusher

[torn wasp]

awwwww

[terse idol]

[sharp ember]

surely you can bend a talent point to secure the 1shot

[muted knot]

Ahahah

[sharp ember]

perhaps Fire Team aura

[terse idol]

My eyes are gonna fall out of my head

[terse idol]

This is with fire team

🥹

[sharp ember]

[terse idol]

With Rending Strikes, and desperado

And weak point damage

And bring it down

[sharp ember]

[terse idol]

O

I'm losing it

[white reef]

I just feel that the crosshair is much bigger than normal

[wanton dawn]

Do you have elite damage as well ?

[gleaming turtle]

They can't stagger Ragers can they?

[sharp ember]

wait what weapon is this for anyway

[terse idol]

Oh and exploit damage

Yeah, and elite damage

[terse idol]

Rashad

[wanton dawn]

Lemme check

[terse idol]

Dat's crazy

[wanton dawn]

And the 10% melee damage i guess

[sharp ember]

maybe higher BM will save you

[terse idol]

Oh no wait you're right

That's the 5%

[tall torrent]

They can

[tall torrent]

Don’t take exploit weakness

[terse idol]

oh

What else

[tall torrent]

Stagger lock

[gleaming turtle]

Oh, I only care about when they have started their animation.

Not before.

[tall torrent]

I think the pickaxe strike still staggers them

[tranquil bronze]

Yeah it'll have to do...

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need rending? Check ur breakpoints

[terse idol]

I think I need that upgraded BM

I'm 5% off, and 2% finesse away from 70 finesse

lets see

yeah, no you're right no rending

still 5

[tall torrent]

Wdym 5% off

Which target

[terse idol]

I have BM 2

So I'm at 10% weakpoint damage instead of 15%

Taking two points off rending and exploit weakness lets me take skirmisher which makes up the difference

If I get...

even 1 stack

[wanton dawn]

I manage to get the 4 shot with your setup

[terse idol]

where'd you get the other 5?

[white reef]

Does marksman ability fit voice of command build?

Thinking if I should change it to toughness damage reduction

[wanton dawn]

Unless I forgot something from what you've shown

[terse idol]

WHAT THE

oh that's crazy

Thanks Craime

🥹

[wanton dawn]

This is my hellbore build, I don't think you can grab more unconditional melee damage from the vet tree

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[tall torrent]

That 5% weakpoint is MINUSCULE

[terse idol]

Yeahh

It wasn't

Craime's got it, by just taking that extra 10% melee node

Which I never noticed

[wanton dawn]

It is KINDA important

[terse idol]

My mind expands

[wanton dawn]

And also yes, I get the exact number you've shown without the 10%

So the mod is working as intended, which is always nice to confirnm

[terse idol]

I gotta start actually getting these mods

and well learning the tree better

Oh goodness

[wanton dawn]

I am considering making a vet tree analysis but am lazy

Plus there is already a lot of those analysis around

Imagine needing push attack to kill crusher

[tame storm]

Is this bricked or should I keep it. Crit chance and mobility are better than my current.

[wanton dawn]

I don't use mk3 normally, but I did not have a good mk6 available with bm and carapace for my hellbore build

[terse idol]

do you have any recommendations?

it's always uh

little difficult to find these things here

[wanton dawn]

Recommendation on a good tree analysis ?

Hardly

[terse idol]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

There are some good written build overview on gamelantern, but nothing i know of for full tree. As for video: watching an hour long video where ppl start ranting in the middle is not my cup of tea

[tame storm]

Agreed, gameslantern has helped me get more in touch with building on my own now.

[median merlin]

Replace with hand cannon and run it, going to be good against most you'll see.

[wanton dawn]

My standard for a guide would be: distance screenshot for charismatic, differencce between additive and multiplicative for thoughness bonus, BP consideration for longshot, etc

It is probably higher standard than the ogrynomicon

Which is a good guide

[tame storm]

Keep the point blank? I thought elite wasn't so preferred thanks for the insight friend.

[median merlin]

No replace point boank

Blank

[tame storm]

Say less person of royalty.

[median merlin]

I run a revolver with hand cannon and point blank on my zealot, imo that isn't bricked, and I run damnation

I havent found surgical yet

New zealot, yay lottery

[tame storm]

Thank you. I've been very blessed with blessing however and wish you luck.

[finite skiff]

Leveling Vet after finishing Psyker, I am still unsure between bolter or plasma gun. Plasma feels unreliable but I've seen other vets annihilate with it.

[wanton dawn]

plasma is better rn, no contest

The secret sauce is: do not charge it

[finite skiff]

Just spam mouse 1?

[wanton dawn]

yep

[finite skiff]

That feels...wrong.

[median merlin]

Bolter takes an eternity to take out, that's a no no on higher difficulties

[tranquil bronze]

Just think of it as a giant revolver

[terse idol]

that's how it woorks for sures

[placid portal]

Or use Shout/Exe stance to cancel the initial draw time delay

[finite skiff]

The bolter animation and the fact he racks it EVERY TIME did bother me. But I also liked how good it was at picking off ranged enemies.

[placid portal]

boltgun is almost an Anti Material rifle

[terse idol]

Blessings are a little flexible between like, Blaze it, Gets hot - - - -Glory hunter
Then you hit unarmoured

meet the BP on dredge gunners

Badabing

[junior grail]

Badab War?

[median merlin]

The most messed up thing is that in single shot the revolver is a better target shooter. Much faster to take out and blast a flamer or trapper

[placid portal]

Who survives?
An Experienced Heretic gunner equipped with Flak armor

or

A cultist boi with yellow drapes

[finite skiff]

I have noticed a lot of revolver builds but I don't have a cool hat yet so I can't try them.

[placid portal]

[median merlin]

Lol

[placid portal]

somehow

less is more

[terse idol]

look like

Plasma is like

Shooting an AP round into someone who isn't wearing armour

😌

That's gonna do damage BUT it passes through

[median merlin]

And kills the man behind him

[finite skiff]

Should I shoot into big hordes or save it for specials? Also should I EVER charge it or just mouse 1 spam for victory?
I played mostly psyker before this, I am used to turning my brain off more.

[placid portal]

yea but usually you'll die from over penetrated hits from bleeding out even if it's a darn plasmagun

[wanton dawn]

I like my crit bp

[terse idol]

[inland orchid]

ive just gotten my devils claw attachment thanks to your knowledge, thank u again i spamed the fuck outta brain burst

[grizzled lynx]

what do i do guys, how do i salvage this weapon?

does speedload count melee kills?

[median merlin]

Damn a 380. That hurts

[grizzled lynx]

yeah truly do, but ill still use it

Im not sure which blessing (surgical or hand cannon) would be better to replace speed load here

[median merlin]

Hand cannon, in my opinion. Useful for crushers.

Blap them everyone else rips into its lowered armor

[grizzled lynx]

so you would pick that and use it as util?

[median merlin]

I use it on my zealot

[grizzled lynx]

ok is lv2 good?

that means i just have to shoot 1 more shot to do full rending right

[median merlin]

With surgical you gotta sit there, on damnation you can't do that often

[tall torrent]

I sort of do but I am biased very heavily towards breakpoints

[median merlin]

Is run hand cannon, its gonna blap most of the elites, save the crusher and maybe Mauler. Rending will take care of those two

[grizzled lynx]

yeah i think im just gonna bring handcannon, can always change to surgical

to test out the break points after

yeah i think rending is more important, you can get cric chance pretty easy if you have this keystone

[median merlin]

There ya go. You can also stack rending from the rending node in the bottom middle tree

[wanton dawn]

I don't think it makes sense to get rending strike if you already have handcannon

[quick steeple]

ofc it does

[median merlin]

It stacks. 75% vs 60

[quick steeple]

esp if melee has uncanny, shredder nades etc. over100% rend/britle mult hits hard at those lvls

[torpid sundial]

hmm which is the highest dps recon lasgun rn if I want to torture myself

[wanton dawn]

First off, rending strike is 10%. Second, 60% rending on revolver is almost guaranteed to go in diminishing return territories, cutting rending strike efficiency by 75%

[median merlin]

Ah, ty crime I thought it was 15

Craime

[muted knot]

Wait that feels wrong, does it give 99% crit on 3 ranged specialist stacks ?

[quick steeple]

yes, 1st shot

[sharp ember]

mk6 single target, mk7 if you wanna shoot into hordes like a soldier in a zombie movie

[wanton dawn]

In other word: rending strike would make sense for cases where you dont crit, or with melee weapon

[muted knot]

Huh

[quick steeple]

ofc, that perk affects all dmg not only the revolver

[torpid sundial]

MK7 IT IS

WOOOOOOOO

sharing ammo be damned

[wanton dawn]

Sure but we are talking revolver Some melee weapon, such as PS, do not care about rending strike either

Rending strike is hard to analyze to begin with, it needs to be checked on a weapon per weapon basis and also include a close/far breakdown

[half parrot]

what lasgun and shovel makes should I go for if I'm roleplaying a Krieg?

[quick steeple]

....a what

[terse idol]

Hellbore mk1 or mk2, MAYBE 3

Standard shovel imo

[terse idol]

A kriegs men, death corp of krieg regiment

[quick steeple]

ohh

it late lol

[half parrot]

what're the pros and cons of each hellbore lasgun?

I've been using Mk XII since beta lmao

[quick steeple]

pro: pointy stick

[wanton dawn]

Mk3: highest damage per shot, slow firing rate, terrible bayo. Mk2: highest fire rate, low damage making it annoying to reach bp. Mk1: middle ground

[half parrot]

and what about shovels?

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, I don't play shovel

[strange sparrow]

I believe it's just MoveSet

and the new shovel allow you to fold

[tiny summit]

base shovel is a "get the fuck off me" stick

[half parrot]

what do you mean by fold?

Are any of the shovels specialized for crowd control or killing specials?

[tiny summit]

special of the 2 newer shovels folds the shovel for a unique attack

[half parrot]

is this similar to ogryn XIX shovel attack?

[tiny summit]

yes

[muted knot]

Shovels in general are more crowd control weapons

[muted knot]

Exactly like that

[half parrot]

ohhh okay

and what blessings should I go for on helbore and shovel?

[muted knot]

Hellbore is surgical onslaught usually

Shovels depends on if you have the new ones or the old ones

[tiny summit]

mk2 can have some wiggle but you really do want onslaught and surgical on mk1 and mk3

[placid portal]

Pickaxe Shovel so oppressive when you hit that mutie breakpoint

you can literally kill muties with a heavy strike

esp on 1st hit if you headshot

[gusty bison]

You can kill ragers with a single pick to the face

Which is nutso

[placid portal]

only maniac version iirc

[gusty bison]

Boff

[placid portal]

Ah forgor

I think I need to get a certain blessing?

[gusty bison]

U can 1 tap crushers with it when built into

[gusty bison]

Thrust

But ye

[placid portal]

Full stacks right?

[gusty bison]

No

[placid portal]

Since without full stacks iirc you deal like 1600 dmg

[gusty bison]

I think like 1 is enough

[gusty bison]

Is this with precision strike and desperado?

[placid portal]

only precision

Don't have desperado

[gusty bison]

Yea desperado is another amazing buff

25% finesse

Yes plz

[placid portal]

Truth

Desperado do be a good melee bonus if you can slot into it

[gusty bison]

Aye

[placid portal]

One gripe is how mk3 has a bad hoarde combo imo

[gusty bison]

Vet has so much good talents lmao

[gusty bison]

Its... ok

Not terrible

But not great

[placid portal]

Dunno feels like at times I wanna use the original shovel

[gusty bison]

Ok fair

But then u cant PICK TO THE FACE

[placid portal]

Truth

I cannot do the ROCK AND STONE

[gusty bison]

Kek

[hybrid token]

some of these melee onlys are absolutely off the shits

[placid portal]

1 Morbillion damage???

[hybrid token]

think 49 minutes might actually be the longest mission ive done

i was dead for like 10 minutes i think i couldve got 1.5 million lol

[placid portal]

well some people are very patient when it comes to dying

like me

[strange sparrow]

49 minutes

Everyone got 600k+

What the fuck is this AI director smoking on

Only Melee Scrab?

[gusty bison]

Prolly

That direct shits maulers and crushers

Like packs of 12

[pine snow]

which l asgun is best atm? im going to try to break my plasma addiction

[tiny summit]

take your pick

as long as it isnt recon atm

all helbores are viable, with mk3 having the highest dmg per shot but shit bayonet. All infantry lasguns are nice but consensus is that the XII has been powercrept on. Still a good weapon but the others had their dmg buffed enough to close the gap with their fire rates.

[pine snow]

damn rip xii last i bothered looking at lasguns that one was on top

also aren't all the lucius' bayonets shit anyway or was there something i missed

[tiny summit]

no

mk1 and mk2 have stabs and they are amazing. 3 shot mutants, staggers and kills ragers, 1-2 taps most other specials and other human sized enemies. With good positioning and horde management you can avoid swapping to me melee for almost an entire game if you want

also no joke, decent monstronsity dmg

[median merlin]

I use the same xii I had since beta since it dropped perfectly when I got it. Item still very much a top tier weapon, definitely in damnation.

It dropped with the two best blessings before you could change the blewwings

[ocean viper]

sire melk tempts me, is this a good roll?

[versed merlin]

i am

turning into

[tiny summit]

oh its still a good weapon, its just that the dmg gap was closed enough with the Ia that most agree the fire rates make up for it. Get most of the important breakpoints with higher fire rate

[versed merlin]

a helbore enjoyer

[median merlin]

Get that damage high enough you can 2 shot damnation crushers with the mk3. Which is the one I use

[tiny summit]

most recent mk2 run, with another helbore vet

[versed merlin]

goddamn

thats a lot of damage

[median merlin]

I need that scorecard mod.

[strange sparrow]

Hellbore 600k isn’t a lot

Especially if you run focus target

[tiny summit]

it isnt a lot, kinda standard games atm

I use MF

[strange sparrow]

Ew

[versed merlin]

i wasnt talking about total damage, mb

[tiny summit]

ew what? its good

[versed merlin]

i was looking specifically at elites and specials

[tiny summit]

ah

[strange sparrow]

Range headshot damage put me off for hellbore

[versed merlin]

the gap from both vets to the zealots is huge

[strange sparrow]

Its already pretty high on headshot

So it’s extra damage that I kinda don’t need

[tiny summit]

had this game too. the ogryn had the dmg and the specials were inflated because of hunting ground and mutant waves

[placid portal]

Hunting grounds is where you conflate your stats

or get free cooldown reduction

[versed merlin]

how tf you have 168 specials killeds and then ovenproof says its 203?

[tiny summit]

dunno I questioned that too

[versed merlin]

i was gonna ask, does it not counts waves of specials?

[torpid sundial]

I have the standard scoreboard but I cant seem to get that particular scoreboard plugin to work

[hybrid token]

wave dogs and muties are technically a different enemy

standard board probably doesnt count them

[versed merlin]

ah that would makes sense

[tiny summit]

trying to craft some perfect helbores that have 80 dmg and at least 70 stopping power helbores and Hadron insists on infernus, sustained fire and reload speed

[versed merlin]

i have a perfect one from melk but its mk2

and i enjoyed mk3 much more

[tiny summit]

I put off mk2 for a while and then I used a random one I got from a mission. I am now a mk2 enjoyer

[versed merlin]

550

[spiral epoch]

is this salvagable?

[tiny summit]

fuck you

[versed merlin]

i just bought it from melk and at the time i didnt even like helbores at the slightest

[tiny summit]

if you wanna gambla on that final pull

[placid portal]

50/50

Gotta get the dummy dums

[versed merlin]

then yesterday i spent 1m dockets getting a good mk3 roll, so i got karma'd

[tiny summit]

sprint efficiency underrated but I get why people dont want it on their guns

[placid portal]

Yea since you get sprint efficiency by just wiedling your grenade

If anyone didn't know Grenade stamina stat is 5

at base iirc

Fuck mixed up bc I always use the +1 stamina

[versed merlin]

oh frick

sprint efficieny is what, less stam consumed on sprint?

or do you run faster?

or both?

[placid portal]

so if your melee & ranged has poor stamina cap swap to grenade

[glacial dragon]

Any idea why I can't seem to score a weakspot hit against maulers and crushers with plasma gun? It says flak armor when I shot right at a mauler's head, the damage number is in white and the same as a body shot.

[tiny summit]

I think its bugged atm

[quick steeple]

it is good ya, but id rather it on a curio or 2 for those specific builds than taking a dmg modifier

[spiral epoch]

decided to try upgrading my plasma gun instead to use for now, what should I roll away on this?

[hybrid token]

[placid portal]

By the empra

it's a near Good roll

[glacial dragon]

Wait it actually counts as a weakspot shot since it triggers the exhilarating takedown talent.

[quick steeple]

infested to unyielding or elitee

gets hot to blaze away

[muted knot]

But their head is carapace keep that in mind

[quick steeple]

white doesnt mean "non weak spot" simply that the armor typing is moderately efffective and blocking a portion

[barren hamlet]

your welcome brother

[spiral epoch]

ok thanks!

[glacial dragon]

Huh. But even if you hit a crusher's head with 1 point of damage it's still in orange.

[hybrid token]

sub 500.....BUT

[glacial dragon]

I think it could just be a display bug in the meat grinder

Shots fired at crusher's head does deal more damage than the body. Probably it's just mauler's head's damage reduction from carapace and weakspot multiplier canceled out each other that caused headshot has the same damage as body shot. This combined with the armor type and damage color display bug could really be misleading.

[quick steeple]

no its color-coded toa bracket

[glacial dragon]

It's not just about the color. Not only is the color in white, the armor type shows "flak armour" in the headshot of a mauler too.

[umbral scaffold]

whats going on fellow rejects

[outer creek]

Deliberately inflammatory but serious question: how does anyone justify taking speed aura? What can a build gaining in the 1-3 perk points to not take the most tangibly powerful aura in the game? Cuz ill be honest I see it every now and again and it's frequently paired with that vet being at or near the bottom of the scoreboard

[umbral scaffold]

speed vet is viable

just run shotgun with him instead

plus i had a dream where the blue shotgun somehow cleaved and shot over 100 miles away with its special round

[placid portal]

You could

With manstopper

[outer creek]

Basically all vets are viable I just dont ever feel the difference

[umbral scaffold]

[umbral scaffold]

one does more damage

one gets ammo

one runs fast like a zealot

ones a marksman

one is a heavy lugger

one is a run and gunner

[quick steeple]

i have one config for wep spec that has to go that way simply due to perk limit (i.e. assault + serrated > wep spec & VoC)

[outer creek]

I'm taking talents to impact my, and my teammates gameplay, in the team game. I never once notice the difference speed makes for us, and I'm wondering what the benefit is in saving those points that can rival the tremendous ammo sustain

This is of course a non issue if there's just like, more than one vet

[spiral epoch]

is there a mod so I can bind an action to two different keys. My special activation is bound to mousewheel up for easy spam with my melee weapons etc, but I realise I can't vent this plasma gun with this setup lol

[strange sparrow]

There is mods that help you do that yes

I’m not sure what’s it called again

[quick steeple]

yes, or if your mouose has game profiles that swap just do that and rebind scroll up to the key

[strange sparrow]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/164/

Here you go

[spiral epoch]

ah great thanks

[torn root]

life saver mod fr

[spiral epoch]

I haven't modded before so i'm looking through the steps now, do I want to use vortex or install everything manually via darktide mod loader?

[torn root]

NO

umm it easy

i can word it out give me a bit

[outer creek]

It's not necessarily simple, but it is in fact easy

[torn root]

So the first step usually is to find the file location, if you are on steam its accessible through the gear icon

you basically have to make a Mod folder and that's the 1st step, i personally did it myself but for some ppl it just Existed for some reason

[outer creek]

https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/index#/installing-mods

This has gifs showing you how to do it

[torn root]

The 1st 2 mods you need are the Darktide Mod Loader and the Darktide Mod Framework

[thick rose]

?

[vernal harbor]

never seen infernus 4 so that alone id say yes

[torn root]

For the Mod Framework and Mod loader you have to extract all files, when you download other mods, only the bottom file needs t be extracted

highlight and drag*

[outer creek]

My instant reflex is swap crit damage for maniac and idk, anything for No Respite. I like Ghost or Headhunter personally

[thick rose]

so IV wants same as the other lasguns?

[fathom wedge]

How are shovels usually built, I'd like to work on one.

[quick steeple]

headhunter/deadly always play well on the archetype

[torn root]

Thrust IIRC is probably the most important blessing

[bitter turtle]

Uncanny, skullcrusher, limbsplitter, thrust are all valid if u mean folding shovels

And decimator*

[torn root]

some of the nice combos are [Take a Swing + Thrust for CC] [Thrust + Uncanny Strike to Kill Specials] The Uncanny setup is the one that kills crushers i think

or actualy I think to Kill crushers you only need thrust with the special

[bitter turtle]

Don't think take a swing gets taken outside of all or nothing + take a swing

[sage obsidian]

good build>?

[bitter turtle]

Why twinning

[torn root]

seen it a few times on auric

[sage obsidian]

big dmg

[torn root]

combo'd with each other

[sage obsidian]

coulld float the ppoiint

[torn root]

pretty sure its just for Shove Heavy spam

[bitter turtle]

Twinning is a meme but feel free if you want the meme

[sage obsidian]

put it here nstead

[bitter turtle]

What gun is this anyway

[sage obsidian]

revlver

[bitter turtle]

Wep specialist is way better for revolver as a keystone

Er

Which revolver actually

Fanning or ads

[sage obsidian]

the faast 1

[bitter turtle]

O then nvm

[sage obsidian]

quick reload

[bitter turtle]

Do u really need krak tho lol

Fanning delete bosses

[umbral scaffold]

Weapon Specialist is just chad for a lot of long reload weapons imo

[bitter turtle]

Ya but this fanning

Less important

[umbral scaffold]

oh ye for sure

[bitter turtle]

I can see going full dmg for the boss delete

But then y krak lol

[umbral scaffold]

memes maybe lol

[frank mantle]

all veteran guild when

[umbral scaffold]

Krak is really strong but at the same time, lack of flexibility on it makes me not wanna get it recently

[frank mantle]

need to send some guardsmen squad to show them how it's done.

[umbral scaffold]

bleed nades give space

and clear hordes so you can kite

Krak gets rid of Bulwarks and Crushers but not too much of an issue if you're rocking Plasma anyway

[bitter turtle]

Shredder is on 4/5 of my loadouts

[umbral scaffold]

same

[frank mantle]

krak is good on maps with crusher patrols

[umbral scaffold]

Unless I'm rocking like claw + brauto, then I just take Krak

[torn root]

every map?

[frank mantle]

helbore + krak is a must otherwise if crusher closes in

[bitter turtle]

Not really

Shredder knocks them down for easy pickings

[umbral scaffold]

hoenstly even in melee only aurics I find shredder nade to be more useful a lot of the time

[frank mantle]

grenadier krak is my fun build

oh really?

huh

[bitter turtle]

And clears out the gunners or specialists around them

[umbral scaffold]

just cos you knock them on their ass

ye
Krak is really strong at killing crushers

[bitter turtle]

So u can just safely mop them up

[frank mantle]

that's cool

didn't konow ty

[torn root]

Krak is just there for people who want and easier answer to bulwarks, I am not gunna talk down on krak usage. Not every weapon or load out deals well with bulwarks, and not everyone wants to do the work to open bulwarks for easier kills

[umbral scaffold]

but shredder does the next best thing which is knock them on their ass

yeah

is not really that Krak is bad but Shredder just has insane utility

[frank mantle]

well helbore i can 2shot crushers on weakpoint

so knocking them down also works

[umbral scaffold]

even if it does like 0 daamge to maulers/crushers

[bitter turtle]

Krak doesn't necessarily kill the whole pack so sometimes it's not even a perfect answer if you have a trapper or flamer hiding behind

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

that said, krak does shine a bit more when it's vs bosses

if you wanna be funny sometimes

[wanton dawn]

Kraks is better than frags against bon and 1/2 ogryns melee. Frags is better/as good in all other circumstance

[umbral scaffold]

and your loadout isn't that good

[bitter turtle]

The krak stunlock is insanely good for stuff like spawn

Ya

[umbral scaffold]

I just take Krak if I have absolutely 0 answers to stuff

claw + br auto? yeah I take krak

[sage obsidian]

can u llnk me the best build for the fast revolver then?

[round crane]

this guys doesnt know what vortex is

[umbral scaffold]

but if I have Plasma or old revolver/psword, or the new shovel
probably just shredder

[bitter turtle]

I think ur build is fine for.max dmg

Just move your nade to shredder

And drop twinning meme

[torn root]

vortex has problems with mods and darktide

[round crane]

taking random advice from people is usually an L

[torn root]

but you obviously dont know that

[bitter turtle]

Maybe get demo team or iron will or some generically good talent

With the leftovers

[round crane]

Yeah of course i dont you fucking noob

[torn root]

kid who hurt you? lmao

[round crane]

have you ever used vortex? and how many hours in the game do you have?

[umbral scaffold]

personal experience I don't have issues with vortex loading mods for darktide

as long as you configure it properly

[torn root]

if you are actually coming here to tell ppl to use mods through vortex for darktide It's obvious you don't know that vortex has a problem scanning darktide for application

[wanton dawn]

Imagine not having a short fuse

[umbral scaffold]

just need to point it to the right folder

[round crane]

oh woould you look at that

[umbral scaffold]

which should be like, computer gaming 101

but then again I was in a discord for modding an old game

[round crane]

go ahead and describe the problems

[umbral scaffold]

and I know firsthand people don't know how to point applications to folders anyway lol

[wanton dawn]

Personally i just do it manually. I dont feel like i need a mod manager

[torn root]

so teach them, it literally isnt hard

even a month ago vortex was having problems with darktied

[bitter turtle]

I also do manual since it's fairly simple in this game

[torn root]

dont have to rely on it if you can learn how to do it manually easy

[round crane]

wgat problems

[bitter turtle]

Not annoying to undo mods like in mh or other games

[torn root]

not gunna insult someone because he doesnt use it like I do

kind of pathetic

[round crane]

lmao

then stfu

[torn root]

yeah someone shat in your bed

[round crane]

you cant say there is problems without having the ability to describe the porblems

[torn root]

can tell

literally said

[round crane]

you are pathetic

[torn root]

that vortex wasnt scanning darktide at one point

you can actually google it

[round crane]

lets play a game right now

[torn root]

got you right now

[round crane]

and let us prove you are nothing but a lackluster wannabe

[bitter turtle]

There's too much unchecked testosterone in this channel right now

[wanton dawn]

Start of a beautiful love story

[bitter turtle]

Let's talk about fucking pokemon again

[torn root]

from one person?

[wanton dawn]

Its beautiful

[bitter turtle]

Since you play mh kuro

[wanton dawn]

Please no i dont wanna learn new innuendo

[bitter turtle]

Palico Mario and Luigi scare me

[slate sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[torn root]

this was literally an issue last month

so I opted to mod by myself

[slate sleet]

how?

i never once had a problem

[sage obsidian]

yo i sent u a quick dm

[torn root]

problem thread earlier this year https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/12722502-vortex-wont-install-mods-they-download-correctly-with-no-issues-but-when-i-click-on-the-install-button-nothing-happens-at-all/

[dapper vessel]

AYO WHAT DA FUCK

[torn root]

sometimes that shit doesnt load things because it is busy

you can always have your shit load if you do the manual work

i can get a bunch more links of peopl talking about it being down or not working at one point or another

learning how to apply them your self is legit a 5 minute sit down

[bitter turtle]

I'm not making it up I swear

Search it if you don't believe me

[torn root]

https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/11905898-vortex-not-able-to-download-mods/\

another time it didn't work right either

im not telling people not to use it

but you CAN learn, and not get mad at someone telling others how to manually do shit

i believe ppl are capable

Nexus and Vortex is completely infallable i guess tho

not even saying its bad or not to use it, mind you

https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/13315479-none-of-my-mods-seem-to-work-at-all/

this one talks about needing to download mod managers seperatley in some cases too

which is what we were advising earlier

[slate sleet]

weird

first time i hear about people having issues like this

[torn root]

things dont work 100% of the time

[wanton dawn]

[torn root]

and to give credit they work on it fast

but i have times when i just want to try shit

so i learn the work around

[stark saddle]

which shotgun does the most damage?

[bitter turtle]

I learned how to use blender so I didn't have to ask modders for small changes to their armor mods for mh

Self reliance best

[lean light]

Remember that modding is rated #2 on the list of most painful experiences

Just below "night time leg cramp"

[bitter turtle]

Only for Bethesda games

And that's bc ppl install like 5 gorillion mods

[north raptor]

opinions on the boltgun? is it any good? i dont see people use it

[torn root]

world?

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[torn root]

that's actually really good

[bitter turtle]

I don't like begging ppl for favors when they already work hard on stuff lol

[torn root]

it the dopamine rush item in the game, for me at least 2 seconds of fire, 6 grueling seconds of reloading

[stark saddle]

is stability important for shotguns?

[torn root]

it exists, not good not bad

[torn root]

this is a good take

I can learn

so I choose to

[thick rose]

is there a difference in the dmg of a 380power with 80 dmg stat and like... eg 320 power with 80dmg stat ?

[bitter turtle]

It depends

Other stats also affect dmg sometimes

Like stopping power or finesse

[torn root]

the short answer is yes, at a base level

but damage sadly isnt the only thing that affects the numbers depending on the weapon

[thick rose]

so for example would you try and build this up

I cannot get a fucking decent base for the life of me

[torn root]

in the example you gave its 2 different weapons right? So I am almost 100% sure they don't do the same per shot damage

[torn root]

?!

THAT'S NOT DECENT HOW?!

[thick rose]

because I want it to be 380 and at the top of my list because mental

[torn root]

Bigger number is nice, but you are gunna go crazy trying to roll roulette in this game

[thick rose]

yeah right

[torn root]

seen someone with a 380 at 50% damage

i would be so mad

[thick rose]

good start

fucken

[sharp ember]

f

[thick rose]

go to bed hadron, you're drunk

[torn root]

they need to change burn man lmao

ngl

infernus would be nice if the burn had respectable damage imo

[thick rose]

that is enough disappointment for one night

[untold mulch]

Infernus ate a big nerf to me with the no longer procs onslaught

[torn root]

I think i was taking a break from the game when it was doing this

i missed the period when vet was broken apparently tho

[sharp ember]

maybe you are thinking of the VoC +100 overtoughness and infinite ammo recon era

funny to spend the entire mission shooting crushers and hordes and not run out

[thick rose]

I enjoyed rending recon

[bitter turtle]

Recon wasn't even yhe best wep that patch

Just funny

[thick rose]

honestly didnt feel that unbalanced, just before the rework... not as bad as some stuff now. not sure why they murdered it.

[bitter turtle]

Even unnerfed the current iags would still outclass it

Maniac dmg was and still is terrible

[barren cave]

do you run onslaught( the talent) on non braced iag's

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[torn root]

100%

[sharp ember]

columnus iag absolutely

[torn root]

on all IAGs imo you should run onslaught

[barren cave]

because I use it, because it just sounds good, but Ive been getting a little suspicuous of its value lately

[bitter turtle]

Column and graia for sure imo, you could do a krak agri iag build without onslaught ig

[barren cave]

but I just gotta have trench fighter, and onslaught is on the way so

[torn root]

so specifically on maulers and crushers onslaught and rending can be felt

they drastically change ttk on those 2

[sharp ember]

it helps a lot with countering damage falloff from range

since falloff scales down your damage modifier

[torn root]

bro verifying the integrity on Darktide is painfully slow...

[untold mulch]

No it was the most broken thing

-Anyone who only watched people using it and never used it fr

[stark saddle]

agreed

anyone who actually had a decent vlld knew what it was like to have the emperor's right hand as a weapon

[muted knot]

i just did a hi Intesitv hunting grounds on damnation and did the whole mission full auto blasting my mk4 lasgun without picking up any ammo just for me to ruin the scoreboard by taking a ammocrate in the extraction lander

[torn root]

ogryn MVPs

look at the plasteel XD

[untold mulch]

The strongest flashlight

[stark saddle]

it was nerfed in 10 different ways

[untold mulch]

Honestly with all the rending changes the weapon should have been fine

[stark saddle]

the ammo refund was nerfed to hell

damage got nerfed

[untold mulch]

but fatshark incompetence just dunked it

[stark saddle]

crit chains got nerfed

[stark saddle]

Fatshark is almost as bad as riot's balance team

they dont know how to nerf shit but retain their viability

look at what they did to pinning fire

[bitter turtle]

It's OK the playtesters told me it's still good:^)

[torn root]

oy change that

[untold mulch]

Is painfully obvious the design team has favorite weapons

[stark saddle]

Boltgun and Autopistol used to be top tier

[untold mulch]

[torn root]

sometimes riot doe make rally meaningful balance changes

[stark saddle]

pinning fire went from 100 -> 25

actual dogshit now

havent seen an autopistol since the nerf

[torn root]

even overnerfing something is justifyable in league

[median merlin]

i haven't used the bolter in at least 8 months for that reason

[stark saddle]

yeah i guess

[stark saddle]

same

honestly

[untold mulch]

Look, I don't want to talk madshit about them

But sometimes I really feel like they got no fucking clue of what they saying

[torn root]

things are fine with not having a period of high useablity

[stark saddle]

pinning fire going to 50% bonus power is fine

[median merlin]

bolter needs a buff honestly

[stark saddle]

they dont

[stark saddle]

bolter needs more blessings

[median merlin]

just drop the racking animation and it's better

[stark saddle]

and a serious reload buff

[untold mulch]

Like, everyone I heard non-ironically calling Recon good

is an instant

[stark saddle]

15 rounds for 6 second reload is just stupid

[median merlin]

when i was playing beta the bolter was fun to use

[torn root]

bolter died for me the moment they dunked on chorus for zealot

[median merlin]

then my MG12 lasgun dunked on the bolter

[stark saddle]

at this point bolter is just a shit revolver

[median merlin]

and lasguns should NOT be more powerful then a bolter

[stark saddle]

we will get a hand bolt pistol soon

it will be the new bolter

old bolter can eat shit for all i care

[torn root]

i dont think i see a lasgun deleting monsters still though ngl

[median merlin]

i want them to put in a bolt pistol

[stark saddle]

the 15 round capacity and reload speed need to eat their own ass

[median merlin]

true commisar there

that and a plasma pistol

(or maybe meltagun. maybe.)

[stark saddle]

meltgun all the way

we need

new

fucking weapons

not new marks

[median merlin]

so does the ogryn

badly

[stark saddle]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

Does the bayonet on helbore count

[swift ingot]

When they give us a Melta gun, I’d also like an inferno pistol. You know, as a treat

[median merlin]

hahaha

and i can see the ogryn using a heavy bolter.

dunno if fatshark is gonna do that

[swift ingot]

I’d rather him get an Autocannon than a heavy Bolter

[median merlin]

not very lore friendly, but then a reject veteran using a bolter isn't either

[median merlin]

i concur actually

used autocannon on space hulk. was good.

the achylys whatever twin link stubber is almost an autocannon really

[slow garden]

Tbh lotta weapons need some buffs and reliability changes

Shotguns need it the most I think

[median merlin]

i rarely see shotguns

[swift ingot]

I will be devastated if Melta Gun ends up being zealot exclusive, if that happens then my Jurgen cosplay will be forever incomplete

[slow garden]

They're just bad revolvers is why

[median merlin]

ngl, revolver is the go to for insta-elite delete

[slow garden]

Do the same job, have the same reload style

[swift ingot]

Only one really worth using is the Kantrael and even then I only really see it on zealots

[slow garden]

Its my go-to on Zealot

[bitter turtle]

Kant and law don't have the same role