veteran-class

[slow spade]

Yeah but its negligible that's the problem

[torn root]

im asking because I know some ppl say to use it

i just dont get why anyone would advocate for it

obviously use it until you get Brutal Momentum

[slow spade]

People unironically defend using recon las gun

Its not worth listening to most people

[torn root]

but past that I can't recommend otherwise

[torn root]

yeah but nuggets of knowledge do exist

[ocean viper]

this is mostly for horde-clearing though

is it worth over savage sweep?

[slow spade]

The difference is people vs data. No one has Supercharge data but there's enough Brutal Momentum data

[midnight totem]

I only have shred 3 on mine

[torn root]

i can tell you right now

supercharger is LITERALLY a place holder

[midnight totem]

But it's more then adequate for hordes

[torn root]

and only at t4

lmao

t4 Supercharger is the place holder for t3 Brutal Momentum

it makes you actually realize without BM you have no horde clear

[tall torrent]

Supercharge has t1~4

Sunder is t4 only

[slow spade]

I miss when power sword had infinite cleave

[torn root]

only t4 matters for the BP

t3 isnt strong enough

[ocean viper]

should i use t4 shred over t3 savage sweep on this chainsword

hmm

[midnight totem]

I'd keep it the way it is

Rampage by itself will make it more then adequate for hordes

[torn root]

Probably would call this a place holder too, until you get BM

[tall torrent]

Sunder is not bad

[midnight totem]

Shred will give you a better damage boost against everything else

[torn root]

never claimed it

its just not needed when you get BM

[tall torrent]

Sunder gives u 400% cleave and a minimum of 4 targets hit

It does things BM can’t do

It’s not bad

[opaque crane]

I’ve been using sunder for a while today instead of BM.

[torn root]

i can kill more than 4 targets with BM3 just aiming head height

plus hit my 2 shots

im not calling it bad

[tall torrent]

Sunder is not for killing bruisers and poxwalkers

Sunder is for killing mass ragers and maulers

[torn root]

which i can still do with BM

[tall torrent]

It’s different

They’re good for different purposes

[torn root]

repeat that its good as if im saying its bad

lmao

[tall torrent]

“Would call this a placeholder until you get BM”

Yea

lol

[white minnow]

well you're sayin it's not needed when you have BM

[torn root]

placeholder = bad now?

[white minnow]

when they fulfill different roles

[torn root]

no

[midnight totem]

Clearly there is only one way to resolve this

[torn root]

im saying its a placeholder

[white minnow]

yes

[torn root]

nothing more, notihing less

[white minnow]

this is exactly what you said

i have not twisted your words

[ocean viper]

whats a god roll for a revolver

[torn root]

"Probably would call this a place holder too, until you get BM" my own words

do not match up with your accusation

[torn root]

so this is false

[white minnow]

i am replying to this message

[torn root]

i will restate this, i am a very blatant person

hmm fair might be bed time

i still stand by it regardless

i dont think its not needed

[ocean viper]

is trying to roll for 80 on everything but mobility feasible for revolver

[white minnow]

i don't like sunder either but they fulfill different roles

[ocean viper]

think i've spent like 5m looking for it

[torn root]

but im not gunna sit here and have someone say im saying something is bad when im not

[tall torrent]

The point of sunder is
With BM you have better single target, but your cleave is not infinite
It’ll cleave 3 dreg ragers or 2 scab ragers
With sunder you can cleave more than that, and stagger them all at the same time

[white minnow]

you're saying that it supersedes sunder which isn't true

[tall torrent]

They just do very different things

[torn root]

Im not saying its bad

[white minnow]

yeah i'm not saying that you said it was bad

[torn root]

so dont place words in someone's mouth

[white minnow]

it wasn't me who said that though

[torn root]

well im planting my feet because someone is assuming that shit

[white minnow]

it was the number name person

[opaque crane]

[white minnow]

I disagree with the statement that BM supersedes sunder

[tall torrent]

I didn’t say he said it was bad either

“Sunder is not bad” ≠ “sunder is not bad unlike you might have suggested”

[torn root]

you didnt say it

you impied it

Kuro XIII — Today at 2:11 PM
repeat that its good as if im saying its bad
lmao
9557185861 — Today at 2:12 PM
“Would call this a placeholder until you get BM”
Yea
lol

actually implied

[tall torrent]

Placeholder is a very bizarre description

[white minnow]

i mean the broad idea was that sunder was strictly < than BM

[tall torrent]

Implying sunder is in a similar placeholder position as supercharge is just not true

[torn root]

no one said strictly

[white minnow]

if it's a placeholder for something, or that it's not needed when you get something else, I would consider that pretty strongly lesser than that thing

like this is getting really fucking pedantic

fine

it's < than BM

is that better

[opaque crane]

It’s kinda just like one is more defensive in nature (cc) and one is more offensive isn’t it? So each one is better at different things?

[white minnow]

for fuck's sake

[torn root]

just dont place words in mouths

I think BM>SC 100%

not calling SC useless, not calling BM strictly better

[white minnow]

sorry that I don't use the exact wording that you use

[torn root]

this regardless of their purposes would reflect a good chunk of people's opinions

[tall torrent]

Supercharge more or less irrelevant

[torn root]

you dont have to, just dont assume im saying something i didn't

[white minnow]

fine, I state that I disagree with the statements that sunder is a placeholder or that it is not needed when you get BM

[torn root]

thats spins a narrative

[torn root]

this is fair

[white minnow]

but it's not like this is a conversation a few hours/days/etc. down the road

i'm speaking in the context of the current conversation

and you can infer which statements I'm responding to

[torn root]

im not gunna say that you think its on par, or is just as good or even better

because you didnt

easy

[white minnow]

you're just being needlessly pedantic and just detracting insanely hard

[tall torrent]

This is getting complicated lol

[obtuse raft]

Ty for the confirmation

[torn root]

see but you can fall back on this and tell someone in example later than say if i defended something else

matter of FACT let me bring up the last convo we had here

guy was defending Kraks

Multiple times assume i said you HAVE to take shredders over kraks because they are better

[white minnow]

you can be properly defensive if I do that

but I haven't

[opaque crane]

Do psword mk 6 heavies serve any purpose? I’ve only really used the lights and poke stab.

[torn root]

I never did and I at least have the chat logs to go back to to copy pasta

[white minnow]

currently, you're just being overly defensive and just pissing me off for no reason

[torn root]

its essentially a lie made up by shifting words

thats fine, i just want my words not to be twisted

[tall torrent]

They have a little more damage and better stagger
If you do a push atk into a horde (you shouldn’t but let’s say u accidentally do), you can chain into a heavy to keep the group cleave

[torn root]

which is what i think when ppl say i said shit i didnt

[tall torrent]

That’s like their only application

[tropic imp]

I struggle to headshot bulwarks with shove attack

So maybe that?

[opaque crane]

I understand, ty!

[tall torrent]

U have to aim at like their forehead

Not just general head direction

Cuz the hitboxes in this game are wack

[quaint steeple]

does demolition team only replenish my grenades?

[torn root]

yes

[quaint steeple]

ok thanks

[shadow aurora]

Man i want a power fist so bad

Or knuckle dusters

Some sort of way to punch heretics

[quaint steeple]

knuckle dusters sounds so sick

[hybrid token]

I HAVE FAILED DAH EMPRAH

[shadow aurora]

NOOOO

[hybrid token]

HONORABLE SUDOKU

[torn root]

ogryn

[wary galleon]

hmm this thing is doing alot more dmg then it feels like.
dont think ill use it alot though its not so good against anything melee

[shadow aurora]

Shovel punch is for staggering i wanna punch people and make them explode

[teal abyss]

I wish chainfists weren’t space marine only things

[shadow aurora]

PUNCH EM SO HARD THEY EXPLODE

[terse idol]

WEll it's fine if you're going for a marksmen focus build for sure

But you also need head hunter

yes, it'll struggle against melee that's not it's niche

[wary galleon]

i used my ranged build but with no marksman, tag instead. experimentally.

[terse idol]

[wary galleon]

think a recon would suit this build better

[terse idol]

eh uhhhh

Recon's one of the worst lasguns 🥹

In fact one of the worst weapons in the game

I mean you can do it

But you'll make more value out of your lasgun or an Ia or MXII

even with focus target

[obtuse raft]

It always makes me sad watching people have to dump like two straight seconds of fire into a single elite

[shadow aurora]

Recon needs more ammo

[obtuse raft]

Like how do you enjoy that thing?

[wary galleon]

welp if you got a good build it should not be a big problem

[tacit sonnet]

recon needs everything

[shadow aurora]

Imo ammo is the thing it needs most

[terse idol]

No but like

The issue it because of the way crit chains got nerfed on recon

[shadow aurora]

With survivalist it withers in minutes

[terse idol]

Literally anything is better

[obtuse raft]

Don't they already have like 900 or something insane

[terse idol]

Even the talent that gives you Ammo on crit with a lasgun

Has an internal cooldown

[obtuse raft]

I'd prefer if they just killed stuff

[terse idol]

You cannot get an ammo surplus with recon

Because well

The damage is so bad you'll be using DOUBLE the ammo to take something down

[shadow aurora]

As far as im aware shock trooper doesn't even work with recon

[terse idol]

While only gaining back so much ammo with survivalist

[terse idol]

IIRC it does, but it doesn't give you that much ammo back

There isn't a reason it shouldn't

[strange sparrow]

Just dont play recon las

it's that shrimple

[terse idol]

But someone did say there was an internal cooldown that made sure you couldn't generate ammo on every single crit

without a buffer

[strange sparrow]

And yes

[shadow aurora]

This is the second time ive been wrong about this today fs

[strange sparrow]

there's an innate cd on Shock Trooper

[terse idol]

Like abit of time passing until you gain ammo back

[wary galleon]

yea.... :I

more ammo OR more dmg. it needs a buff for sure.

i dont want to agree but its true

[terse idol]

Now regretabbly, I don't like having to state it
It's your game, your build you do yooouu
But because I'm even saying it does disuade folks from using it

Bleh

[wary galleon]

i know, i do like the gun since its cool. but its too lore accurate to play with xD

since we are like superheroes rejects

and its a "flashlight" but fast ;)

[terse idol]

[tacit sonnet]

Recons are my favourite guns in the entire game

Seeing them buffed was like a birthday gift

[wary galleon]

my favorite gun in the game for vet so far is the braced auto guns

tickles my rambo brain

you can just shoot for ever

especially the colummnus

very satisfying

[hardy ember]

Collumnus auto gun nuff said

[midnight totem]

Wait, there's a balance patch?

[tacit sonnet]

patch 13

patch 14 made them terrible again

[buoyant axle]

noob question how do I get this detailed stat screen

[neat stratus]

I like the heavy heavy pistol

[trim steppe]

You gotta mod, its the Scoreboard mod

[buoyant axle]

ah thx

[trim steppe]

I'd suggest modding, theres a lot of QOL stuff you can do that makes your life better. FS won't add it for a long time if ever. I waited 400 hours before I started modding and I wish I hadn't lol

I ain't clickin that, what is it

[torn root]

what kind of shady link is that?

[pliant rain]

Is this salvageable?

[trim steppe]

Yeah its good imo. Great stats and the unyeilding and uncanny make it good. change the other 2

[eternal flare]

how should I refine this weapon?

[trim steppe]

Im not sure what exactly cuz I dont use knife very much

[rotund wind]

ya add flak and lacerate or the bleed on crits

[grand lark]

Yeah I love Columnus BRauto

Feels like an LMG

[trim steppe]

reload speed to unyeilding or maniac imo, otherwise that's great

[pliant rain]

thanks , never used a knife before but i will give It a try

[trim steppe]

you could also replace infernus but its a T4 and also a lot of people like running infernus on it

[umbral scaffold]

today i will try to get myself a combat knife

[torn root]

I swear knife users are like a cult now

im liking it tho

[umbral scaffold]

i wanna zoom

[torn root]

more ppl indoctrinated every day

[trim steppe]

whatever you do dont replace DumDum, thats hard to find. If you ever get a better laspistol strip T4 dumdum off this one and put it on that one

[trim steppe]

I'm holding out against the knife cult. The zoomies arent my jam

[umbral scaffold]

:d well with the zoomin of the knife i can revive moar ppl that died before extraction

[obtuse raft]

It's cool at least when you get the few who actually have the footwork and APM to make knife work though. I've had a couple that were genuinely fantastic

[umbral scaffold]

combat knife with plasma

thats my build

[obtuse raft]

Buried in the hordes of em who are in WAY over their head and eat crusher slams

[trim steppe]

Knife users are either amazing and save the day, or they are terrible and cause the day to need saving. Its about a 20/80 split respectively lmao

[agile mango]

how good is the new chainsowrd?

[solemn niche]

it's the best weapon ever

kinda

amazing attack pattern on top of the good things that made old chainsword already good

but now you don't have to deal with wonky attack angles every two attacks

[trim steppe]

Any drawbacks? I haven't used it yet

Or is it just a different attack pattern and a straight upgrade?

[wary galleon]

oh yea! have you tried the columnus BRauto with a speed stim? you are a walking minigun after that xD

[torn root]

I love the moveset

probably one of the best movesets in the game

imo

[tall torrent]

Except the special action

Chainsword special actions are sad

[tacit sonnet]

huh?

[torn root]

new chainsword also have a bunch of blessing combos you can go

but like stated before the special should is kinda bad

probably not gunna get much use out of it unless you can single a special out of a pack

terrible vs carapace

struggles a bit vs flak

[tall torrent]

New chainsword is fine against basically anything that’s not mauler or crusher

Against those two u just gotta have to rely on krak, gun, or ur teammates

[trim steppe]

So, same as old chainsword in that regard

The special is A+ vs mutants, just dodge and plant a heavy special into them as they run by for an insta-gib

[torn root]

flakiac lets you kill both ragers with a heavy special, and 2 heavy specials to mauler body --- just bring a gun that can deal with maulers and crushers maybe, I don't like relying on others, but you might have to if you have a gun you want to bring that can't handle the 2 threats

[wet elk]

thank the god emperor

[trim steppe]

With a chainsword you can horde clear easy, so you can bring a gun for whatever, if it can't do maulers/crushers bring krak instead of shredder and you got a well-rounded setup.

[torn root]

I think you only need one heavy special to kill maulers in the body if you build it with bloodletter

[torn root]

I know this, but ppl have preferences and the person in question might not have the same as mine

i generally run the new CS with Columnus

and we've seen how well Columnus does vs Maulers and Crushers

not the greatest Crusher Slayer, but it'll do

[trim steppe]

I like chainsword/agri brauto/krak. Beautiful setup that handles everything well

[rare tartan]

does anyone know , is Kriegsman outfit ever gonna come back ?

[obtuse raft]

Fatshark likes making money so yeah it's guaranteed coming back at some point

[terse idol]

It'll rotate back not sure when though

[gleaming turtle]

If you want a 100% sincere guess?

8 months from now.

And I'll tell ya why, it's because they are releasing more new crap, and instead of just doing pure rerelease sets they are doing mixed sets now. With one, maybe two, rereleases in the rotation, and a new set (usually a recolor). This all contributes to hurting your chances.

[torn root]

ngl the fact that you cant just choose color block on cosmetics

kinda doo doo

[gleaming turtle]

Everyone agrees

It doesn't make sense that they don't just sell color palettes like Warframe does.

Fine, you want to charge us to do that? Whatever, I don't care.

[torn root]

Then you realize this game got touched by TenCent

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, but they still do it.

And have well before 10cent came along.

[torn root]

I just lose all hope when i see that company's name

gunna be honest

[gleaming turtle]

That's fair, but 10cent is in the business of making the most money it can. I personally don't think that Fatshark is doing that.

And thats not a compliment, lol.

I honestly believe there should be weekly rotations.

[twin kettle]

Eaiest way to do this is just unload all ammo on a boss with a boltgun?

[midnight mortar]

Revolver, plasma, or shotgun.

[golden nacelle]

I used a plasma

and just never picked up ammo

[rotund wind]

yea what parl clutcher said and also dont take the ammo restore aura

[cedar pecan]

I used plasma and just used melee most of the time

[cedar pecan]

yeah make sure nobody on your team has it

[rotund wind]

i failed it once cause we killed specials in the extraction lol

[grim walrus]

I recommend a Revolver as well.

[golden nacelle]

but yeah... also, using your ranged mostly on hordes to make sure you get that accuracy threshold

[valid bluff]

Well this is nice

[ocean viper]

What rolls do i need on a revolver to consistently 2-3 shot crushers

Been trying to get all 80 and dump mobility

[golden nacelle]

should I lock in unyielding at 20% on this plasma?

and leave the other slot to flex between maniac and flak?

that's what im thinking, but I could also lock in maniac at 20 and flex between flak and unyielding

[terse idol]

I would recommend taking a revolver

[obtuse raft]

Personally I'd probably roll away the unyielding. Boss DPS isn't THAT important in a well rounded team IMO.

[terse idol]

Like

I shot through the mission slowly

Missed like 6~ shots

But still got it

[pliant rain]

damn knife vet with Plasma is fun, tried the build from agentchaos yt

[ocean viper]

I never run out of ammo on the revolver ever

[terse idol]

Even if someone has survilist

[torn root]

unyielding isn't just for the boss damage

[terse idol]

Just make every shot count

[ocean viper]

Im still trying to get my god roll so i can 2 tap crushers

[torn root]

its for the ogryn elites as well

[terse idol]

You want to make yourself a cushion

[ocean viper]

Do you guys like cruxian roulette or the rending on crit

[terse idol]

Because consider if you fire 100 shots

You can miss 8 times

[ocean viper]

I like cruxian roulette because i find myself very often dumping all my ammo on like 5 specials that decided to pop in 1 at a time

[terse idol]

If at any time in the mission you miss you gotta hit more shots to bring your total accuracy up

That's the theories

[pallid notch]

Thx for this btw a lot more fun playing vet now

[ocean viper]

Ive been running some auric damnation recently

Shield psyker + ogryn seem mandatory to get moving at a decent rate

[terse idol]

OR you can do orthus offensive and hit every revolver shot

[torn root]

mandatory is kind of heavy

[ocean viper]

Ever walk into a room and theres like 8 gunners?

[torn root]

good comp I would say, you'll see some decent groups that move fast when you play more

[ocean viper]

Happens quite frequently

[torn root]

i had one with 2 invis zealots

was pretty quick

[ocean viper]

Zealots are either god tier or complete garbage

[torn root]

and they grabbed all the plasteel

[ocean viper]

Thats my experience

But im mostly playing like vermintide i suppose

All i do is sit back and snipe specials

[pallid notch]

I try my best in trying to protect my team as zely with holy relic tree and being a true priest for the emperor.

[ocean viper]

Just like kruber days

[torn root]

as long as it helps the team, you do you

[ocean viper]

I usually end the game with like 100 specials and 40 disablers

[ocean viper]

Somebody needs to keep my psyker alive

Has to be done unfortunately

[obtuse raft]

Like half the reason I love voice of command right there.

[grizzled shale]

any other dmr gamers out there, this thing works pretty well now

[torn root]

so IS 3 extra stacks for 4.5% more damage worth taking any other damage node if I have access to them? Trying to justif the choice

difference of 27.5% -> 32%

[ocean viper]

Do you guys prefer surgical cruxian roulette or surgical whatever the rending + on headshot is

[torn root]

pretty sure most of the ppl here dont use revolver

iirc there was a talk about it surgical > the other

[ocean viper]

Revolver's the only weapon that scratches my itch for vermintide type ranged

[terse idol]

On which one? The fast or slow revolver?

I use surgical handcannon for slow

[ocean viper]

Ads revolver

[terse idol]

Yeah Ads, surgical handcannon

I would use crucial roulette and handcannon for fast

I still value handcannon very high

[ocean viper]

Im using roulette and surgical, that a waste?

[torn root]

kind of, unless you dont have hand cannon

[ocean viper]

I do not

[torn root]

crit IS more damage ---- make DO

[ocean viper]

I still find value when i have to panic hipfire a bomber though

[terse idol]

I do think it's over kill

You already have 1 source of crit

Handcannon augmenting your source of crit is important imo

[torn root]

yeah with deadshot you easily go over 100% crit

[ocean viper]

Im using this one

[torn root]

by a good amount i believe

[ocean viper]

Oh i run the point target build

With shout

[torn root]

+22% crit on the last shot + however muc you add by waiting

deadshot basically makes it 60% on the 5th shot

hmm

[ocean viper]

Deadshot?

Which talent is that

[torn root]

bottom left of the tree

[ocean viper]

Dont have it

[terse idol]

Change cruss to handcannon imo, you can gurantee to drop crushers that way

[torn root]

pay no mind then

5th shot plus a 1 second wait is +55% crit tho

[ocean viper]

Maybe i'll just keep this and try rerolling for the god revolver i want

[torn root]

not the worst, I dont like Fluctuating damage too much but its unavoidable atm for you

[ocean viper]

I have found a shit ton of value from panic hipfiring a crit into a dog

Auric damnation does make it so you dont have time to ads sometimes

[torn root]

if you are hipfiring you arent using surgical

just putting that out there

[ocean viper]

Cant always ads when shit goes downhill

[wet elk]

swap scattershot with full bore?

[torn root]

even if you snap through ads you still get some benefit through it

[ocean viper]

Hmm

[torn root]

every .35 seconds

[ocean viper]

Whats the base crit chance?

[torn root]

on vet it's 5%

[ocean viper]

I normally just quick ads to headshot something

Dont think its .35?

[torn root]

thats good

[ocean viper]

Ive been having success on auric

[torn root]

could possibly take long enough on some shots?

[ocean viper]

No im usually shooting something that my ogryn has marked for me

Usually its called a sniper or a poxburster

[torn root]

well that's that then, you aren't using 1 blessing but it's not the end of the world

[ocean viper]

You know how shit hits the fan really quickly sometimes

Maybe i just value 2 sources of crit

I'll try rolling a good revolver with handcannon and see if i like it

[terse idol]

Well like

[ocean viper]

Maybe if i somehow 1 tap a crusher

[torn root]

I think Smudgles said it earlier

get rid of one

[terse idol]

Dogs are the least of your concern

[ocean viper]

That reminds me

[terse idol]

A head shot will kill it

[torn root]

you already noted you arent really using surgical

[ocean viper]

Does competitive urge boost your ranged damage?

[midnight mortar]

He doesn't know...

[terse idol]

If you run surgical hand cannon you can 3 shot a crusher pretty easily

[ocean viper]

I use it to snipe maulers from afar mostly

[terse idol]

Then handcannon will be better

Since maulers have carapace head

And you can use it vs crushers

[ocean viper]

I'll need to see if it hits a breakpoint

I can 3 tap a crusher if i crit on all 3 hits with point target

[torn root]

yup handcannon

[ocean viper]

Will i need to roll a 80 dmg 80 pen 80 crit?

Perhaps

[torn root]

imo Handcannon works better with Surgical tho

[neat stratus]

Is it really an axe?

[torn root]

i generally dont like cruc because it has an ammo tax before you get the crit

[terse idol]

I don't think you need 80 80 80, but 70 min for damage is ideal

[ocean viper]

70 min?

[terse idol]

Sorry damage

For all

Damage stats

Well, I mean I'm in the theory thst

[ocean viper]

🤨

[terse idol]

Few guns need an 80 80 80 split

[ocean viper]

I do have this

[terse idol]

That should be good

[ocean viper]

Although im certain i can do better

80 on all but mobility

That'll take awhile though

[torn root]

that's completely unnecessary

70 with the right perks and talents should be enough

only time 80 is a hard requirement in this game is if you are unwilling to make talent changes, there ARE ways to hit those breakpoints --- at the cost of flexibility --- until you get the exact roll you want

[ocean viper]

Im running the shout build with point target

[torn root]

80 in three stats gunna be a super grind ngl

then you gotta roll the right stuff on it

[ocean viper]

Oh no i want 4

[torn root]

that's a lottery

[ocean viper]

All but mobility

[gloomy vapor]

Only ever seen one 4x 80 and it's my heavy las pistol

[ruby hull]

It's good with weapon specialist where you are constantly loading bullets so you get to skip the part where the gun is full

[torn root]

i always forget about that damn keystone

lmao

I really dont like any of them but focus target

[ocean viper]

Im running the "meta" point target build i suppose

With shredder

I dont take any damage unless a pox burster jumpscares me

[round crane]

making a new veteran for no reason other than to feel something

[torn root]

Not sure what the META tree is, drc --- I do use the weapons tho

[round crane]

what is the highest rating weapon i can get at level 5

before i spend 200k

[gloomy vapor]

Like nothing

[torn root]

feel the pain

[gloomy vapor]

Dont roll until 20+

[torn root]

i legit did that

[ruby hull]

I get board of meta, so I make my own meta with wierd shit like zealot knife vet and full melee bayonet vet, and still outperform most "meta" builds

[torn root]

mostly becaue I wanted a diff look

[ocean viper]

From what ive seen, veterans only really use shout and psykers use shield

[torn root]

idk about out performing META the point of it is to be the most performative XD

[ocean viper]

Ogryns can do anything and zealots either do funny 1 shot or have the holy bible

[ruby hull]

Meta mostly about most value for the least amount of effort

That's boring

[torn root]

Most Effective Tactics Avaliable

[round crane]

or like 15 other things

[gloomy vapor]

No that's min maxing

Meta is most

[ocean viper]

I consider winning fun, so i will do anything to win

[gloomy vapor]

Well nvm Kuro got it

[torn root]

this is usually the best performance you can get

[round crane]

i have 800 hours in the game and have no idea what meta builds or min maxing is

[torn root]

to out perform it would be to change it

[round crane]

im a little simple

[torn root]

which would make it META

lol

[gloomy vapor]

Meta usually is a mix of best tactics, best weapons, best perks

[round crane]

ok

[torn root]

^ the most effective

[gloomy vapor]

Not in that order but to follow the current meta could mean it changes next update

[round crane]

ok

[ruby hull]

Not really true. Lots of things can outperform meta builds but require exponentially more effort or have higher spikes but less consistency

[round crane]

lol

[ruby hull]

Which is why they don't become meta

[torn root]

it is true lmao the term is built in concept

rashad is part of the META atm

lmao

[spark helm]

anyone know if the graia shares blessings with the columnus? This prick melk has a dumdum 4

[ocean viper]

Meta is mostly about consistency

[gloomy vapor]

If you run a build that's crazy good for hoards but abysmal at elites that's not meta but still does it's job, ideally meta does it all proficiently

[torn root]

Rashad, PSword, Columnus, Plasma Gun, VoC, Weapon Specialist, Revolver [on the lower end] these are currently the meta

highest performing parts of Vet's kit

[ocean viper]

I run chainsword

[spark helm]

Or siginifcantly adds more room for the player to actually have themeans to play riskier.

[ocean viper]

I dont really like plasma gun because whenever i try to find downtime to reload i usually also find something to shoot

[gloomy vapor]

Zealot meta is chainsword or chainaxe but it doesn't mean veteran is bad with one, just not your strongest weapon in slot for every situation

[torn root]

Graia IAG shares with Columnus IAG, Graia Braced does not

[spark helm]

dope.

[round crane]

good ole times

[terse idol]

I would bust it too hard
Again I mean like

kinda like what kuro said
Its not ahh

[ruby hull]

Well Regardless. I get results with my weird shit and that's all that matters to zazy

[terse idol]

I just frankly don't think you need 80's on everything

To meet any BP's

[torn root]

inconsistency vs high consistency

[terse idol]

Now if it's the difference between 2 shooting and 3 shooting a crusher I mean sure

[torn root]

that comment kinda proves the point ironically

[ruby hull]

Fair enough

[terse idol]

But we are in the age of its probably okay if you just have minimum 70 on damage stats

[ocean viper]

Perhaps it is the vermintide min max coming back to me

[terse idol]

(Rashad iirc only needs minimum 70's to go hard)

[ocean viper]

Where i needed +10% power against skaven to hit breakpoints on cataclysm

[spark helm]

I'd say it's more safety than exclusive consistency. Got a lot of people running around with strong safe builds that crumble the moment they get jumped the right way.

[terse idol]

But you still need unarmoured, BM, Headtaker

[ocean viper]

Fk's rashad?

[terse idol]

Combat axe, one of the best weapons in the game

Brrt

[fervent quiver]

Which recon lasgun is better?

[ocean viper]

Ive dumped everyone i saw

[terse idol]

Azraels vid

[spark helm]

Sort of? You have that at the moment with things like dmg vs maniacs, flak, carapace, etc. that are tbh pretty good to have.

[terse idol]

Well you gotta know how to build it

[torn root]

heh, bp for da rat men

[terse idol]

Otherwise it's pretty bad

[ruby hull]

That's most vet builds I've seen. They are super strong till shit hits the fan then they get folded like a napkin

[ocean viper]

My playstyle thus far has been

Sitting behind my ogryn

Shooting every elite or special

[gloomy vapor]

Just the falloffs of being a veteran it's naturally hard to take things head on

[spark helm]

Yeah and imo, some people get so insulated in that safety that it carries them into aurics without any of the practice with being shat on to recover well enough to keep going.

[torn root]

the more videos i see of this weapon the more i think its dumb lmao

[spark helm]

so then a lot of builds focused on self-preseveration utility are more for compensating than just making use of it to stay at a baseline.

[ocean viper]

Ive played too much vermintide, i have a compulsive need to instantly 1 tap every flamethrower i see

[spark helm]

Some vets play more like zealots. Not a bad thing. Just think they should remember why they're losing health. They're not playing as tight as they think regardless of their builds.

If you want the aggro shit, you can, you just need to survive those commitments.

[terse idol]

I mean it is goofy video wise but whew

When you actually get it online

Its spicy

But my own rashad still has proooblems

[ocean viper]

isn't it quite hard to take damage as veteran? you just spam the shout off cd, its practically full uptime if you snipe disablers with the -6 on specialist kill no?

i have only died to pox bursters

[torn root]

this

[spark helm]

You have a lot resistances that take effect when you're not at certain thresholds.

[torn root]

ive seen a vet contest a hoard with a zealot then get downed in 1 second

from max health and toughness

[ocean viper]

you don't sit at max toughness 24/7?

[quick steeple]

....what if i dont lost hp and play like a zel

[ocean viper]

this is new

[sour elbow]

which would you recomend?

[spark helm]

I'd argue that compared to zealot, right, zealot wants those tools for toughness dmg reduction because they're not tanky, but because they abilities designed to weave you in and out of those states of lower defenses to use your offense to regain it.

[gloomy vapor]

Each build has its natural "role" if you do a long range ogryn it's going to be underwhelming, melee veteran, zealot ignoring melee, even with every skill you can use to do that job well it's still going to be lacking if the character is just not meant to do it

[white minnow]

consecrate the left one once and see what comes out of it

[spark helm]

Veteran doesn't really have that so players that lose themselves to that idea without the ability to back it go down immediately.

[brisk sapphire]

Some games I barely take dmg as vet yea, shout + iron will and such makes it easy

[white minnow]

i'd rather not use a columnus with low stability

[torn root]

easily #2

[static locust]

Hey all, looking for a crate veteran for twins hard mode. Anyone down?

[ocean viper]

I've played quite a few aurics where i only take damage from pox bursters spawning behind my ass

[spark helm]

That's great. Welcome to the club.

[sour elbow]

the purple, you mean?

[quick steeple]

thats a classic case of needing to

[spark helm]

You just like to frag my friend.

I understand

[ocean viper]

i like having a panic button

[quick steeple]

actually no, not on that build at least

[ocean viper]

the panic button is called my shredder grenade

[spark helm]

No i mean like rack up kills bud

[ocean viper]

while i call my ogryn to save me

[spark helm]

lol

I like high mobility type builds because I see it more as a resource than just speed.

[terse idol]

Okay actually u know what you're talking about but it's not reasonable 100% of the tike naturally

[ocean viper]

damage is inevitable

[ruby hull]

My bayonet vet is ultra aggression all the time, and I'll dive into almost anything. Got the krak grenades to toss on armor piles and mk6 ps as a backup carapace blender and as my vehicle for brutal momentum for my stabby stabby. The ult lets me bounce around between defense, pure offense and support. I don't feel lacking in anything and I'm tanky as fuck. It's all built for shit hitting the fan and it feels great

[ocean viper]

however, healing does exist

[quick steeple]

false

[torn root]

80 Damage 80 Stopping Power with Fire Frenzy 3, thats 3 out of 6 for rolls you want

[ocean viper]

you don't need to not take damage, you just need to not die

[spark helm]

you'd be better off closing the distance or repositioning faster than others because you have to. so little things like smoke grenade stuns and stun grenades and shit like that is just solid to make use of.

[torn root]

assuming you are fine with keeping flak

thats 3/5

[ocean viper]

there is always some bullshit that can hit you

[torn root]

3/4 even

[ocean viper]

if it isn't the AI its your ogryn hitting a barrel

[spark helm]

It doesn't have to be that way, but fuck that, I'm not playing darktide with some builds, I'm playing a shitty version of titanfall that just as fun

[sour elbow]

Suspected as much but I wanted to be sure. Stabiltiy isn't great but it's a bullet hose.

[spark helm]

I don't NEED to slide under the platoon of gunners already ready to shoot me.

[quick steeple]

@torn root getting closer 😉

[spark helm]

But I have to.

As in...I love it.

It's too cathartic.

[torn root]

so close

[spark helm]

They still gon' die so yeah. suck me from the side I'm running my smokes AGAIN!

[ocean viper]

from my vermintide experience, taking damage from trash mobs is a skill issue

just dodge spam

[spark helm]

Yes.

[ocean viper]

but im pretty sure they nerfed it in this game

[spark helm]

yes

toughness is great in that regard.

[torn root]

no

[ocean viper]

no? dodge spamming is still good? great

[ruby hull]

Backstabs hurt like hell

[torn root]

so mobs on auric arent as hard as mobs on cataclysm

[spark helm]

It's never been good.

[torn root]

they do more damage than cataclysm enemies in damnation

[spark helm]

You might have just been doing it well enough to not notice it being a detriment

[ocean viper]

stormvermin moment

[torn root]

darktide enemies hit harder as just chaff, consider that you can tank so heavily with grey health

[ocean viper]

you time it, no?

[terse idol]

I mean sorta gunners will smack ya, pox wallets can hit ya, but its less pubishing than v2

[spark helm]

Yeah you can absolutely.

[ocean viper]

im pretty sure everyone does

[terse idol]

Where you get hit 4 times by a slave rat and die

[ocean viper]

skill issue

[spark helm]

But if you're just mashing it, you're going to lose your dodge benefits and get hit by thnigs you wouldn't have.

[torn root]

grey health is like the equivalent to yellow toughness

[ocean viper]

if anything i do find darktide hordes harder to manage

[torn root]

on steroids

[ocean viper]

just because of the specials

in vermintide, specials are HUGE

in this game they're roughly the same size as everyone else

[spark helm]

But some weapons like say, combat knives make things like dodging passively more available.

[ocean viper]

its good to see they brought back the horror of the warpstone grenadier

[torn root]

really? I tried playing without IW pox walkers will nuke your ass when you aent paying attention

[spark helm]

same as kerillian weapons on average, you won;t have to think too deeply about it after a bit when your defense is just more rounded.

[torn root]

rats in v2 tickled yer bum just a little

[ocean viper]

kerillian players are carried.

[spark helm]

Wrong.

[sour elbow]

God I hate the ragers as veteran. And Zealout. Just can't seem to stugger the bastards.

[spark helm]

Saltzpyre players are.

Let's get that one straight.

[fiery thorn]

anyone mind carrying on overwatch?

[brisk sapphire]

Lol nah

[ocean viper]

if you played anything that isn't dash you're bad tbh

[spark helm]

Wrong again

[ocean viper]

sister of the thorn was fun until it got nerfed

[spark helm]

I play all kerillian.

I don't care.

I'm still getting the most circls. :>

[ocean viper]

shade is respectable if you don't die on hordes

[spark helm]

(sometimes. i don't really care lol I just like doing well)

[ocean viper]

but shade was bugged for 2 years +

so

[spark helm]

Keriilian is respectable if you get over yourself~

[obtuse raft]

Trash individually hit a ton harder in VT and taking chip was a bigger deal in my experience.

[ocean viper]

i do not respect any javelin elf

or any elf in general

[spark helm]

(not trying to start shit lol just being cheeky)

[spice wadi]

CHATTING SHIT

[spark helm]

Good, I'll still get my specials and eliyes killed.

[brisk sapphire]

Jav was nerfed into the ground

Thankfully

[spark helm]

And I will shoot you to kill something if you're in the way.

you're welcome.

[torn root]

iirc you want to take some chip so you could abuse grey health

[ocean viper]

if they can throw it at me it clearly wasn't nerfed enough

[obtuse raft]

Like a single skavenslave could easily rip off half your HP on a light class with a stab to the spine

[torn root]

because grey health if you used it right made you nie unstoppable

[brisk sapphire]

Well, at least it's not nearly as common now

[ocean viper]

you'd just regen that hp as temp health anyway

SIENNA MOMENT LMAO

[spark helm]

You also had parrying and I think basically perfect parrying in vt2.

[torn root]

the fear at 1 health and max grey health vs 60% health and some greay helth was calm

[obtuse raft]

I mean yeah, but it was WAY easier to just get bursted down by one mistimed dodge or block.

[torn root]

you basically never got touched as long as you keep up the influx of temp hp

[ocean viper]

battle wizard sienna players casually getting 100 temp health with a fire sword heavy attack on a horde

[brisk sapphire]

Unless you're bounty hunter you really shouldn't be struggling with THP

[ocean viper]

hilarious

[ocean viper]

or if your name is outcast engineer

[obtuse raft]

With how toughness works I very very rarely get downed in pure melee unless I fuck up really badly with ragers, maulers, and crushers

[torn root]

exactly

[tacit sonnet]

Does anyone believe that next balance patch recons will stop being garbage tier?

[brisk sapphire]

He has stagger THP, he can generate to full in like 2 seconds

[torn root]

fear for your life only when you cant stack grey hp

[spark helm]

I don't care too deeply but that's for other reasons with how I feel about games like this and balance.

[ocean viper]

they buffed it? neat

[spark helm]

Of course I'd feel a certai nway when it effects me enough to notice it.

[ocean viper]

pov: your slayer just jumped into a patrol

[spark helm]

but usually, balance changes kind of just blend together in my mind.

I can still perform in most cases.

[ocean viper]

actually i do remember the no 1 killer in vermintide

getting a boss near a ledge

and you get smacked off into the void

[spark helm]

people should enjoy playing with riskier builds.

[ocean viper]

going down isn't fun so

[cerulean void]

don't stagger them, back up and hose them with ranged. they specifically have high stagger resist

[ocean viper]

ask your ogryn to deal with it

[spark helm]

Learn. Revel in the chaos of not knowing when your first mistake is your last.

[sour elbow]

easy to say when they're not hiding in the mobs and the ogryn's not there

[ocean viper]

it is impossible to NOT fuck up

[torn root]

in most games most ppl just wanna win, and i respect that

[spark helm]

Yeah.

[ocean viper]

it is an inevitability that you WILL fuck up

[spark helm]

That's what makes it fun.

[ocean viper]

i just choose to make my fuck ups not as punishing

[spark helm]

And overcoming it when you can is even better.

dual dagger shade brainrot.

[ocean viper]

pfft

[spark helm]

I will face stab this mob. I don't have to.

I will.

I WANT THE FUCKING SMOKE!

[ocean viper]

winning is fun

the objective is to win

[torn root]

yes, but also have fun

[spark helm]

straight up shit like that made me fall in love with vermintide. First time I got forced to clutch with shade and I was a bit newer to the game still but got better enough to actually pull it off twice in the same run.

the fucking

PRESSURe I felt was so good.

[torn root]

just that rogues shouldnt be against ppl who don't want to be different or try different things

[ocean viper]

I'm not against different builds if they can carry themselves

[spark helm]

Rogues are great.

❤️

[torn root]

dems not yous

[ocean viper]

however, it seems most people who do use different builds tend to die stupidly

[spark helm]

I sneak, sometimes I shoot, sometimes I stab. But I'm always moving

[tall torrent]

After 3 godroll HB lasguns, 25 bricked variants, I finally harvested no respite 4 and completed HB blessing collection

[spark helm]

perfect adhd class.

[torn root]

not what i meant by rogues XD

[spark helm]

nah

you did now

say you love shroudfield and infiltrate right now.

Put on the naruto headband

stop being afraid of yourself.

[torn root]

im just a kerillian simp

[spark helm]

oh

welp

do you ig :U

[torn root]

those beady black eyes

those crude and long pointy ears

[ocean viper]

ELGI 🤮

[spark helm]

I'm a Kerillian simp-adjacent I suppose but I just actually like her character enough. Characters that are usually easy to dismiss as bitchy but do have some cool writeups is fine with me.

[torn root]

that overly irish accent

[spark helm]

I mean shit, realistically Sienna can get it. :Y

Kruber...yeah sure why not. He's a good guy. Better than the whole lot of that party.

[torn root]

ayo?!

nah man

witches are a no

[spark helm]

That's you.

Keep you.

[torn root]

not in the fantasy world

[spark helm]

Nah.

Witches are dope.

[torn root]

they are dirtier than daemonetts

like actually!

no man!

[ocean viper]

nah man

bardin for life

[spark helm]

Oh I don't care about warhammer lore that deep lol

[ocean viper]

he actually got married

[spark helm]

Okay.

[terse idol]

Love warhammer lore

[spark helm]

He got his life and lost it unfortunately. Bardin needs a hug.

[ocean viper]

anyway

[torn root]

this was your choice?

[spark helm]

Yes.

[ruby hull]

nobody asked but here is my finalized bayonet build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/zazy-stabbzy-bayonet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[torn root]

bruh

[ocean viper]

I'm mostly seeing like

[spark helm]

I don't mind older people

[terse idol]

Rats can take over the world but they're too busy bickering with one another

[ocean viper]

hordes of specialists

on auric

some shit along the lines of

2 bombers

[ruby hull]

welcome to auric

[ocean viper]

2 trappers

and like.......

5 crushers in a door i just opened?

[ruby hull]

yup

[spark helm]

Would rather deal with sienna than kerillian.

[ruby hull]

sounds about right

[spark helm]

At least sienna is fun

[ocean viper]

its annoying to have to chuck grenades but I'm liking the constant chaos actually

I don't think my psyker does, usually i find him lying on the floor

[spark helm]

kruber definitely got his own sense of style and just wants to live more peacefully where he can

[torn root]

but mean girls are like the IN thing

[spark helm]

That's pretty attractive.

[terse idol]

Its the issue I feel that it's tough to break kerillian out of her mostly sheltered life, and she was one of the wood elves that kinda looked around

[spark helm]

Kerillian not even mean.

Like not really fr.

[terse idol]

No yeah

[swift ingot]

Kerillian is an elf so that’s a big negative

[spark helm]

She just snappy because she's a fuck-up.

[ocean viper]

preach

[torn root]

wood elves hate everyone

even other wood elves

[ocean viper]

wood elves are literally hippies

[terse idol]

😌

[ocean viper]

fuck em

[swift ingot]

The only thing I like about Keri is her accent

[ocean viper]

in this vermintide lobby there are NO elgi allowed

[spark helm]

wood elves...are not hippies.

[terse idol]

Well wood elves are closer to like
You know those videos of indigenous people defending their lands with guns

[spark helm]

they're not cool enough

[terse idol]

That's wood elves

[spark helm]

At least not the performative hippies that were riding the wave at the time.

[swift ingot]

Y’all know why dwarves prefer axes?

[spark helm]

Talking about the punk ones actually about the egalitarianism and fought for it and did cool shit.

[swift ingot]

Because elves live in trees

[torn root]

except they slaughter ppl running for their lives from tides of beastmen and rats

knowing what's happening

[fiery thorn]

anyone want to carry on overwatch?

[spark helm]

no

not right now

[torn root]

ppl still play that?!?!

[spark helm]

I do sometimes.

[terse idol]

Hippies implies all they do is smoke weed all day, Wood elves kill people near their territory and staple their bodies to trees

[terse idol]

Yes

They got too close

[torn root]

accurate

[spark helm]

that flaccid definitely is correct sure.

[terse idol]

To wood elf territory

[spark helm]

Actual hippy history cannot be compared to wood elves.

[fiery thorn]

I mean the penance

[spark helm]

if anything, they're probably pull up on them if they had that kind of scale of warhammer crap.

More likely would fuck with the imperials.

[torn root]

XD

[spark helm]

the little I know about wood elves in warhammer but the majority of what I actually about hippies just. nah they not even close to the same lmao

Very far

[fierce steeple]

what non chain/PS do people like on vet? I wanna try something new over my trusty chain weapon/PS for something different

[tiny summit]

I just like the funny wood elves in blood bowl have treants on their team to stomp on skaven

[torn root]

Devil's Claw?

[tacit sonnet]

catachan swords are good

[fiery thorn]

better to ask here than grinding malice games

[tacit sonnet]

parries are insane

[fierce steeple]

which variant doe

[spark helm]

Combat knife

[torn root]

this needs to STAPH

[spark helm]

no it doesn't.

[torn root]

its a disease

[spark helm]

It's not.

[quick steeple]

shh

[spark helm]

People just haven't learned enough to run it well at higher levels. np

:3

Combat knife is fun.

[fierce steeple]

Which variant of the Devils claw is best

[quick steeple]

i was jut running aurics with one lol

[torn root]

no clue

[spark helm]

With vet, it's a little more investment but I'm coming from strictly comparing vet to zealot with combat knife

[torn root]

too busy suffering brain rot learning PSWORD!

I DONT KNOW HOW TO MELEE NORMALLY ANYMORE

[spark helm]

at the very least with vet though, you actually get to play with more blessings

for combat knives.

zealot just kinda, thrives dramatically harder with better knife setups and well yeah, the melee specialist so go figure.

Still haven't tried it on psyker yet

Prefer duelling sword for them anyway

[tall torrent]

Combat axe

[wet elk]

infernus good?

[swift ingot]

It’s not as good on the Mk10 but it’s still pretty good for bosses

It’s what I got on mine along with Dum Dum 4

[trim steppe]

Yeah it makes it into a decent boss killer, especially with unyeilding

[wet elk]

with dumdum?

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[fiery thorn]

fuck that penance is annoying

[swift ingot]

Mk10 Laspistol had been my drug since part 2 dropped, I rolled this beaut day one of the update

[fiery thorn]

are there worst penance than that?

[spark helm]

? which one?

[fiery thorn]

on overwatch

[spark helm]

remind me

[slow spade]

how do you handle rager groups with it?

[tall torrent]

It’s “alright”

[slow spade]

I struggle but maybe I should use a Rashad axe

[tall torrent]

A little bit extra dps

[obtuse raft]

Panic frag

Always works, no matter the problem

[slow spade]

true, I do have a good power sword for carapace anyways

[junior needle]

On the regular one it's an option but infernus is mediocre even in the best use case and only gets worse from there. The performance goes down the slower firing and higher damage your gun is.

[tall torrent]

U can do it in the new Karnak twins fight

[swift ingot]

I don’t really struggle, and I use Chainsword as my melee

[slow spade]

ah I use powersword so blocking and dodging isn't really something I can do

[ocean viper]

y'all block?

[slow spade]

a shame the MK3 doesn't get the -25% block cost

[trim steppe]

I liked that penance

[slow spade]

power sword gets a lot of value from blocking

block -> attack

very nice damage

[swift ingot]

I like blocking

[slow spade]

same

I'd use the Mk3 if it had the -25% cost but sadly only the MK6 got that buff

[torn root]

very nice is undermining it

[trim steppe]

A lot of the first class penances actively encouraged you to throw games, On Overwatch encourages you to git gud

[slow spade]

"tolerable damage " UwU

[torn root]

the disrespect

[slow spade]

dabs

[stone adder]

Soo for on overwatch achievement, can I just, like, jump of a criff, and never get rescued, would that theoretically work?

[torn root]

heresy

[swift ingot]

Also can we just shout out single target push attacks for being amazing?

[slow spade]

in the older patches you could, idk if you still can

knowing Fatshark, you probably still can

[tranquil shadow]

the ground you hit could count as melee

[stone adder]

You know what, ama try it, I have a friend who's gonna just do the mission

Oh look, it's that friend right now!

Say Hi hooligan

[slow spade]

thankfully, the penance actually checks between melee and ranged

[tranquil shadow]

hi hooligan

[slow spade]

so dying from falling doesn't count against it

[trim steppe]

I am in favor of any and all cheese people can perform in this game

[slow spade]

I'd still be rescued at the very end and just mag dump with a columbus or something to the dropship just to be safe

[slow spade]

same

[trim steppe]

It took me like 10 missions to get the No HP damage penance, and 8 of those attempts were ruined by effing BARRELS. God I hate barrels

[tall torrent]

U can do it in the Karnak boss fight special mission

Use bell to skip to boss fight, then just make sure you don’t take health dmg

Use double infiltrate to reposition if needed

[trim steppe]

Thats a nice strat

[tall torrent]

It can be done under 10 mins

[trim steppe]

Malice normal mode should be a breeze especially if you have good teammates

[tall torrent]

Same goes for MESC

And zealot’s flesh wound penance

[trim steppe]

LOL really? That really trivializes that one

classic FS

[tall torrent]

Flesh wound is easy anyway

[trim steppe]

Flesh wound is easy but the timer makes it harder. Not if you can just do a 5 minute mission lol

[tall torrent]

Just go magistrati oubliette assassination mission

[slow spade]

I tried to help someone do that one

[tall torrent]

The timer is not hard, u can do that assassination in like 14 mins

[slow spade]

the host chose Heresy Shock Trooper mission lol

[trim steppe]

It's sort of hard, its hard to find THAT mission on the board and then its hard to find people that dont drag ass the whole mission

Once you put it all together the execution is pretty easy

[tall torrent]

I guess, but yes the Karnak fight simplifies things a lot

[trim steppe]

Yeah

[swift ingot]

I’m really curious as to how the light variant of the Laspistol will function, perhaps it’ll be burst fire? That’d be pretty neat

[tall torrent]

2r burst fire would be nice ngl

[trim steppe]

God I swear that 99% of 380s have their dump stat maxxed out

[tall torrent]

But then again

They just recently nerfed mk2 laspistol’s firerate

So idk if they’ll give us a higher RoF variant any time soon

[swift ingot]

Well yeah the buff was kind of unnecessary

[fiery thorn]

git gud how so?

[tacit sonnet]

Does anyone believe recons will ever become relevant again? Or does fatshark just hates us

[frank socket]

Feels good

[swift ingot]

Congrats pal

[frank socket]

Thanks!

[tall torrent]

Learning how melee combat works and how to use block & dodges effectively

[fiery thorn]

that doesn't stop shit from spawning behind you in a wall

[frank socket]

Killing it does

[torn root]

if you get attacked in the back

not knowing what behind you thats your fault

learn to 360

[tall torrent]

Block can prevent dmg from behind

[torn root]

also block is a full circle

[fiery thorn]

wat?

[swift ingot]

The sound that plays when an enemy is about to hit you in the ass is drilled into my brain

[tall torrent]

Block works 360° around u

[torn root]

block is a full circle around your character

[tall torrent]

You can block enemies attacking from behind but with extra stamina cost

[torn root]

front 180 is regular stamina cost back 180 is 200% stamina cost

[jolly cave]

Any time you hear the whoosh sound effect for an incoming attack, just immediately swap to melee and block even if you don't see the thing that is attacking you

[trim steppe]

true but that happens all the time, learning to anticipate that keeps you alive in maelstroms etc

[torn root]

wall sliding exists too

[trim steppe]

it teaches you the game + all the bullshit so you dont die

[crisp bronze]

Best Perks and Blessings for the slug Combat Shotgun? Just rolled one with 80 Mobility, 80 Stopping Power, 79, Damage, 72 Ammo, and 64 Stability. Upgraded to blue and got 8% Damage (Specialists) and Full Bore 4.

[trim steppe]

Full Bore is good, so that one should be passable.

[tall torrent]

Full bore + no respite
Maniac & flak?

[serene sage]

Seems right

I would actually advocate for unarmored

So you kill Gunners more reliably

My own build needs it for breakpoints but ymmv

[quick steeple]

if the BP is accessible w/ 10% elite, that may be more flexible for both cases

[serene sage]

I'm running that and marksman focus

[ocean viper]

how useful is the shotgun for specials? i wanted to try a shotgun build but i can't really sacrifice special killing from a distance

[serene sage]

Should note I'm not talking about the slug

I'm talking normal shot BP

[serene sage]

Agri Shotty fares very well against everything that's not Carapace and Mutants (this one just has high health in general)

[stone adder]

Guess fuckin what

It worked

[ocean viper]

how does it fare... at range?

[stone adder]

I didn't even have to be rescued

[serene sage]

Ideally you want to be within 20m, which is decent.
30m-40m out is still okay, but breakpoints starts being unreliable.
Anything beyond, god helps you. Then again, test in Psykhanium to see how long 20m 40m is

I would say 80% of your engagements happen without 20m

[ocean viper]

ah i usually snipe things from 5 miles away

unfortunate

my eyes gravitate towards enemy spawn locations so i can snipe specials when they spawn

another time for the shotgun i suppose

[serene sage]

I mean if you're killing things 40m out constantly, props to you, i can't even do that with a Helbore

[ocean viper]

im a revolver guy

[serene sage]

Long Shot range goes from 8m to 20m I think, as a reference

[ocean viper]

its the only gun that seems to fit the musket niche from vermintide

[serene sage]

You're shooting twice the long shot range

Which is impressive, or you are misjudging your distance

[ocean viper]

is that why i need 2 shots if i don't crit?