veteran-class

[torn root]

because anytime its good it causes degenerate gameplay

lmao

[bitter turtle]

I'm a gs user anyway

In world

Me big stick

Ooga booga

[raw steppe]

gs is my fav

lol

[bitter turtle]

Gs since tri

[raw steppe]

the last boss in MHW is fucking tough

with GS though

what was his name?

[bitter turtle]

Tho I played ls more in rise

[raw steppe]

fatty?

[bitter turtle]

Sakura slash is fun

[serene sage]

wait you can wave poke shoot like that? wyrmstake doesn't need consecutive shelling?

[bitter turtle]

Fatalis

[raw steppe]

ye

[torn root]

Fatalis?

[raw steppe]

fatty took me like

AGES

to beat

with GS

[quick steeple]

i was GS all of world, then rise made switchaxe feel SOO GOOD

[torn root]

isnt the fastest run on Fatalis with the GS?

[raw steppe]

cuz he's SO fucking fast

yeah but that guy is probably good at the game

[torn root]

always been a speedrun monster, so much damage

[raw steppe]

i'm fucking awful LOL

[torn root]

GS has some crazy techs

[bitter turtle]

I forgot, but shell2x if it doesn't work and you want to wyrmstake

Youbdo both pokeshell and shell

Pokeshell helps position

Cause tinmoves you forward

Since shells push you back

So youbalways want to weave some pokeshells in

[torn root]

so GL has a few links

you can even shoot all shells without steaking

[serene sage]

well I am just doing
poke poke poke shoot
if possible, poke overhead burst stake

[torn root]

its input/time based

[serene sage]

which is kinda fun

[torn root]

shoot more than you poke

[serene sage]

for wide though

i have like 2 bullets bro

[torn root]

ahh

[bitter turtle]

Us overhead burst the swinging overhead that does full magazine burst

Don't use it for wide

Its a normal shelling move lol

Since they got like a 6 shell clip

[torn root]

poke>shoot>poke>shoot>QR>poke

[bitter turtle]

Or something I forget

[serene sage]

i guess poke overhead poke wyrmstake?

[bitter turtle]

Nah just what kuro said

[torn root]

for heavy gl

[bitter turtle]

Wide is literally just

[torn root]

wymsteak is bad

[bitter turtle]

Poke shell

[torn root]

you probably shouldnt use it

[bitter turtle]

On repeat forever

[torn root]

you lose dps

[serene sage]

well time to get back on the nromal lance though

cause I like the burst combo

neuron activations

[bitter turtle]

Normal is much more involved yes

And fun

Lol

[torn root]

normal has crazy dps

[bitter turtle]

Wide is breaindead and half the skills don't even affect shelling dmg

Since they can't crit

[serene sage]

I wouldn't know, i have 10 hours in it

[bitter turtle]

Also try gs for neuron activation

[torn root]

wide gl wants to focus heavy on raw damage past the shelling because the pokes actually carry 65% of the damge you do in ahunt

[serene sage]

gs?

oh great sword

[bitter turtle]

Greatsword

[torn root]

for normal its mostly shelling, almost exclusively, its lik 80% of your damage

[crude ermine]

I like the neuron activation from CB

[bitter turtle]

Savage axe cb is cool

[torn root]

CB in world is disgusting

at least when i left it

[crude ermine]

I prefer rise's tbh

[torn root]

goat indeed

i just perfer rise in general

[serene sage]

what is the switch axe style like

[torn root]

went back to the roots

[bitter turtle]

Spinny axe makes me feel like specter

[serene sage]

i dn't wanna sit through a 20 mins yt vid rn

[torn root]

they arent neccessary

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Lots of hopping around and doing combos and climbing the monster for explosive finishing attack

[torn root]

but the harder weapons are probably GL,CB,Swax, and Glaive

LS on top of all of them

GS below the 1st row

[bitter turtle]

Sakura slash LS in rise is so fun

[torn root]

LS,CB,GS and Swax are pretty involved in case to case actions positioning and inputs

[bitter turtle]

Switch skills are cool

[torn root]

you spam like 3 BnB moves in sword form

then discharge on toppled monsters

[bitter turtle]

U mean

You put on a mantle and climb them anyway

And then die if it's rocksteady

Jk

[torn root]

this isnt wrong actually

but he has to level it

[bitter turtle]

Ya it's not lul

[torn root]

the rocksteady suicides be the wave tho

lmao

[bitter turtle]

My friend kept killing herself

After she got rocksteady

I had to remind her ur not actually supposed to be clawing on every literal second if it's gonna kill you

[torn root]

now in rise Swax is THE counter weapon

[bitter turtle]

I like soaring wyvern for swaxe in rise but the counter not so much

Lol yeah

[torn root]

its the default way to play it

[bitter turtle]

Idk I don't think of swaxe as a counter weapon but now it is ig

[torn root]

and they brought back the alternate discharge fromt eh combo on 4u

too bad it sucks

[bitter turtle]

Ya lol

Looks cool tho

Good if you don't want to counter too ig

I tried a playstyle with it on alt scroll to get chaeged quick instead of countering

But counter is so much faster

[torn root]

if the lagtime got removed it would be nice

[bitter turtle]

And easier

[torn root]

that counter made the weapon skill cap go down

but im not complaining

basically an immovable fortress

wtf is a shield

[bitter turtle]

I just think it hurts the weapon identity

It's always been more evasive

Now you're just a bigger longsword 😔

[torn root]

Swax always had an identity crisis

i just loved it too much to care

in rise they gave axe form a few buffs but it needs more

[crude ermine]

Switch axe was the first weapon I used back when in my first MH game

Never returned to it tbh

[scarlet timber]

H-have i murdered 10,000 heretics with a graia that had a defective safety and im just now figuring it out

[serene sage]

safety? in my 40k?

[bitter turtle]

Lance was my first wep

Cause my friends didn't want me tripping them

Lol

[obsidian kite]

obviously he flips the safety on when he's inspecting it... surely...

[serene sage]

cousin 😄

[bitter turtle]

It's a good beginner weapon I think ye

[scarlet timber]

to be fair handing some dude a gun with a defective safety would be right up the munitorums alley

[serene sage]

we bunny hopping through the map

[bitter turtle]

Lol

Cept back then

[torn root]

SnS was my 1st back in 2004

[bitter turtle]

There was no forward hop

[torn root]

SnS has always shone to an extent

[bitter turtle]

So u had to turn around and spam backhops

[torn root]

then in 4u we got fuckign OILS!

OILS were the biggest mistake in the game

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Backhop is still longer too

[scarlet timber]

i dunno mang, hadron might hand you a broke one if she didnt like you...

[crude ermine]

Then throughout iceborne it was insect glaive (my first MH was World but I was thinking of trying older games) then it turned into Ls throughout rise to LBG, then turned into charge blade

[torn root]

you take the beginner shotou weapon and give it the highest possible dps just for lubing it up

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[crude ermine]

Wasn't a fan of grinding for every element then leveling up the qurio to get said element

[bitter turtle]

You can't call sns shoto

[crude ermine]

Higher

[bitter turtle]

Ryu is literally in world now

Playing as Ryu is the shoto of mh

[torn root]

its funny because metsu in rise is literally named after his move

metsu shoryuuoken

big ass iframe dp

[bitter turtle]

Isn't it called shoryugeki

Or no

[obsidian kite]

if this plasma gun, with no thermal res and gets hot, isn't proof hadron wants us all dead then idk what is. lmao

[bitter turtle]

I forget

I dont play sns

[golden nacelle]

Why you guys think about this one?

[crude ermine]

My favorite elder throughout the games was velk fight wise

[bitter turtle]

I know it's a reference tho

[torn root]

shoryugeki yes, but the community couldnt pass up the opsee the animation, embrace the meme

[crude ermine]

But I was a dB main during those fights so it was fun with that one mantle

[bitter turtle]

Since he has metsu shoryuken in sf

[crude ermine]

The one with the dodging gives you more damage

[bitter turtle]

Ye

[torn root]

golden mantle?

busted ass mantle

[bitter turtle]

No

They mean evade mantle

[torn root]

oh the feather one

[bitter turtle]

U get evade window and the dmg boost

For evading

Also best elder is malzeno

Unironically amazing

Voted for it in the poll they had

[torn root]

in world maybe idk

[golden nacelle]

Maybe Infernus to headhunter? and then one of the perks to flak... not sure which though

[torn root]

namielle has one of the most unique elder designs to date

[junior needle]

Good stats but 3/4 scuffed. Unfortunately the infantry lasguns bounce a ton even with literally max stability. Infernus is bad, perks are bad. Ghost is usable/good but not part of the HH/dead meta setup.

[bitter turtle]

Malzeno is rise tho

[torn root]

and my favorite elder is still amatus

[crude ermine]

I prefer it's primordial counterpart

[bitter turtle]

Ya I mean primordial

[torn root]

malzeno oh vampire dragon?

[bitter turtle]

It's my favorite elder in the whole series

Yes

[crude ermine]

I liked having to wait for the combo to end to actually attack it, felt like an actual nice challenge that actually took me learning

[torn root]

but

amatsy

[crude ermine]

Fav elder is namielle for me

[torn root]

is so glorious!

[fossil basalt]

Infernus turns the lasrifles into monster mulchers what?

[bitter turtle]

Amatsu is cool

[crude ermine]

But istg

[bitter turtle]

But

Malzeno wins for me

[crude ermine]

Namielle could work so much better underwater

[torn root]

yeah i see that

[bitter turtle]

Seeing it get corrupted over time is cool

[torn root]

ppl saw vampire dragon and got their pants wet

[bitter turtle]

underwater

Pls no

[torn root]

yes

bring back underwater combat

[bitter turtle]

Nononono

[crude ermine]

I want it back even if I'm coping

[torn root]

i had a thread a few years ago

[bitter turtle]

I don't LOL

[torn root]

hear me out

we have fixxed everything else in the game to make it better

[crude ermine]

I want namielle to potentially shine or be somehow worse than its land fight

[torn root]

and the ONE THING the creators wanted to work and stay was water combat

[crude ermine]

It's a coin I'm willing to toss

[junior needle]

It adds about 400~ dps at max stacks (assuming burning has a .5 tick rate like I read), but that's hardly "monster mulching". It has very limited value on other things and mostly bulwarks/reapers. Although you ideally want to be killing them in a couple shots on infantry lasguns.

[torn root]

and yall voted it out

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[torn root]

YALL HATE WATER BUT WANT FUCKING LAGI BACK IN THE GAME

whty

[visual remnant]

take the blessing that like

[torn root]

lagi on land has the shittiest moveset ever

[visual remnant]

stacks crit chance on headshots

and the one that does additional crit weakspot damage

[bitter turtle]

OK

I'll admit lagi in water is ok

[visual remnant]

if u can land ur shots u'll mulch bosses w/o infernus

particularly w the Helbore mk III

[bitter turtle]

But I still don't like water fights in general lol

[torn root]

we could have just fixxed water combat

but yall TOOK that from me

[visual remnant]

which i think has head hunter

[serene sage]

at some point, i can't tell which part is darktide and which part is mh

[visual remnant]

also if u using the lasguns

[torn root]

I CANT BE A DAMN TORPEDO WITH LANCE ANYMORE

[visual remnant]

get the Full Auto mod

[torn root]

BECAUSE OF YALL

[crude ermine]

Gobul

[visual remnant]

makes it so much better

actually useable lasguns

[junior needle]

headhunter/deadly accurate. The perks are highly scuffed on that one and ghost works well with deadshot/dnd so it could be worth forgoing one of the blessings without much value loss.

[torn root]

yall really didnt know how fun torpedo lance was

[bitter turtle]

If they keep switch skills for wilds I'll accept water coming back

Maybe we'll have some

[crude ermine]

That'd be nice

[bitter turtle]

Water - preferred moves

[crude ermine]

Switch skills were very fun

[torn root]

saw the new MH game tralier a week ago

happy its coming sooner than i thought

[bitter turtle]

They gotta get ppl playing MH now

In the west

[torn root]

yeah but the WEST game was only world sadly

[bitter turtle]

I was thinking of trying it lul

[torn root]

and they had to dumb the game down

[bitter turtle]

No I mean MH Now the mobile game

[torn root]

i want the game to go back to being hard again, but i also dont want to lose ppl

[serene sage]

damn bro that's some elitism

[bitter turtle]

It's so active in japan for obv reasons lol

[torn root]

no wait im not trying to be

[crude ermine]

Wowww elitist smh

I sentence you to fight 5 magmadrons

[bitter turtle]

I bet u want immobile potion drinking back

[torn root]

hear me out, a lot of ppl that's come from world to rise, quit the game before HR

[bitter turtle]

And the flex pose

And no camp

Restocking

[torn root]

the games is a significant drop in difficulty from old style MH to ryze

[crude ermine]

Ok I actually need to agree with this because too many times have I seen people hate the game for dumb reasons

[bitter turtle]

Actually I want no camp restocking back lol

[crude ermine]

Like, "oh it doesn't have the same graphics or they should've built it back up for the console ports"

[torn root]

there were so many people review bombing the game when it came out for difficulty

REMEMBER THE HORRIBLE IGN take on it

[crude ermine]

I remember fragments

[bitter turtle]

Oh yeah

[torn root]

they legit got clowned on for their review

[crude ermine]

None of them were good

[bitter turtle]

The old sound effects in amatsu

Made me nostalgic

😔

[crude ermine]

I wish I played the older games

Tho I could just

Emulate

[torn root]

in world things were super lenient and i think it was a good things for an introduction title

which it was

right now rise is a spin off title to test waters

[crude ermine]

I fucking hated that one iceborne claw

[serene sage]

why do all MH games have low res texture?

[crude ermine]

Clutch claw or whatever

[torn root]

hopefully the new game is a bit in the middle

[serene sage]

oh wait because console peasants

now that's elitism

[torn root]

i have videos of me literally having 100% evasion with no gear on in world

[bitter turtle]

I bought PC and ps4 lol

[torn root]

because the i frames got almost tripled

[bitter turtle]

The souls babbies still want more iframes tho

Jk

[crude ermine]

The only time I genuinely struggled in world was with AT velkhana

But even then that took me 5 tries

[torn root]

because vlkhana was mad aggressive

[crude ermine]

Also

I uh

Clawed onto her with Rocksteady too many times

[bitter turtle]

Hardest fight for me in world was ex behemoth solo

[crude ermine]

Leading to a certain fate

[bitter turtle]

Cleared with 30 seconds left on clock lol

And no

[crude ermine]

I never actually got through ex behemoth, I got really close but I got interrupted and failed

[bitter turtle]

I don't play with friends >:(

[crude ermine]

I never actually fought AT namielle despite being my favorite elder

Felt forgettable

[serene sage]

sure you do

[bitter turtle]

On my first fight for anything *

Lol

[crude ermine]

I only bring a cat

I named it cat too

[bitter turtle]

I want to solo things at least once always

[crude ermine]

I think I got the pic of it

[serene sage]

wait wait, this game is supposed to be multiplayer focus?

[torn root]

so funny thing in MH

the fights are always easier solo

except raids in MHW

[bitter turtle]

Ya they are

[torn root]

dont force yourself into that

[bitter turtle]

Cause of multi-player scaling

If your teammates are braindead

[torn root]

and AI behaviour

[crude ermine]

Found the cat

[bitter turtle]

For random groups it usually is

That too

Tho that matters more for some weapons like gs

[serene sage]

so just like Darktide?

[torn root]

the fight is easier because of AI behaviour mostly

[serene sage]

or almost every PvE multiplayer?

[torn root]

in multi player you are ALWAYS chasing the weakspots

[bitter turtle]

And less if you're playing like

Bow

Imo

[crude ermine]

That reminded me of Safi'jiiva and those god damn weapons

[serene sage]

gunlance doesn't care though right cause shelling ignores armor

[bitter turtle]

Your pokes or swings still care

[raw steppe]

and getting tripped by longsword users

[torn root]

i've only ever use GL in multiplayer because its the only weapons that doesnt care about weakspots

[raw steppe]

of which there are always 1-2

[bitter turtle]

I don't gs in multi since it's a very

[torn root]

it ignores armoud but stll should be aimed at specific spots

[bitter turtle]

Predict mon behavior weapon

[torn root]

a lot of ppl dont realize the latter part

[crude ermine]

Reminds me of a longsword guy who kept tripping me everytime I found a moment for my SAE

[bitter turtle]

So aggro switching is rough

[crude ermine]

He wasn't even doing it intentionally

[torn root]

gunlance shells still do fire damage on top of fixxed damage

[midnight totem]

why does the mk 6 devil claw feel so wrong

[crisp bronze]

I got three different axes and need some thoughts on what to do with them.
Axe#1 is the one I'm currently using and the one I'm gonna eat for Brutal Momentum.
Axe#2 I'm thinking I can either keep Headtaker and replace Thunderous with BM and the 1.5 Stamina with 20% Sprint Efficiency. OR I can replace Headtaker 3 with Headtaker 4 and Thunderous with BM and keep both perks.
Axe#3 I'm thinking I replace Headtaker with BM and Damage (Groaners, Poxwalkers) with Damage (Unarmoured).

[crude ermine]

One weapon i couldn't get into tho

The hammer

[torn root]

bro longswords online actually cause a flinch free meta on rise

and we havent recovered from it

[bitter turtle]

Lol

[torn root]

try playing GL with a LS and no flinch free

[bitter turtle]

They got the deco now at least

The slot 1

[crude ermine]

I got lucky enough for one of my qurio armour to come with one flinch free

[raw steppe]

i think i had a flinchfree1 variant

for all my builds

for playing with friends

lmao

[torn root]

never play online without it

lmao

[crude ermine]

Tho it costed me some elemental res so it lowered my CB damage

(I use the risen valstrax gear)

[bitter turtle]

I'm still rolling frostcraft on my armor

Lol

[torn root]

see @raw steppe

[bitter turtle]

Kill me

[torn root]

ITS A GENERATIONAL STIGMA NOW

imma need it for the next game too i guarantee it

[crude ermine]

I got lucky to get dragon conversion on my armour so I got to use other good pieces and their perks

It ALWAYS

[torn root]

the only weapon that actually needs flinchfree is gl tho

[crude ermine]

Gives me the one damn thing I'm looking for

[torn root]

and lance i think

[crude ermine]

When I don't want it

[raw steppe]

i couldn't get into mh rise for some reason

[torn root]

they dont have poise unless using forward thrusts

[raw steppe]

i'm not sure why

[torn root]

what game did you start on

[raw steppe]

it's better in a lot of ways

world

[torn root]

ive heard all the reasons

[crude ermine]

If I'm looking for DC I get frostcraft and vice versa

[raw steppe]

i basically full cleared world, beat fatty etc

but rise just

couldn't catch my attention for some reason

[crude ermine]

You beat da baby and the naked cocaine addict

[torn root]

in rise you have to be really accurate with things

monsters move faster, and hit harder

[crude ermine]

But as do you

[torn root]

and are balanced around switch skills

[bitter turtle]

I like world's graphics

[crude ermine]

The ecology was nice

[bitter turtle]

Butni prefer rise in everything else lmao

[crude ermine]

For world

[torn root]

yeah but ppl have to acclimate coming from world

[bitter turtle]

Especially gameplay

[torn root]

i thinks we are keeping ecology from world

[crude ermine]

Coming from world I think it took me after my 7th run to get the swing of things

[torn root]

back to snifing footprints maybe

[bitter turtle]

Fuck clutch claw btw

[crude ermine]

Yeah that shit sucked

[bitter turtle]

Fuck slamming monsters into walls

[torn root]

or collecting questioinable juices off of leaves

[bitter turtle]

Such a boring mechanic

[crude ermine]

The qurio investigations are my favorite thing

[raw steppe]

for me it was mainly the level design

in world you fight monsters in all sorts of terran

[torn root]

slamming was ignorable at one point

then they buffed it

[crude ermine]

Even if I get one shorted at the high levels

[torn root]

WHAT?!

[raw steppe]

in rise it feels like every single arena is basically just a flat plain circle

[torn root]

RISE has good level design

bro you didnt

[crude ermine]

Some areas I can see that

But more areas have a lot more design to them

[torn root]

the flattest map is the tundra

literally

[crude ermine]

I liked the desert map

[raw steppe]

maybe lol

[serene sage]

how does armor work in the mh? does armor have unique skills?

[crude ermine]

And Citadel

[bitter turtle]

Yep

[raw steppe]

this is what ended up happening fyi

[crude ermine]

Yes

[junior needle]

iirc you need both flak and unarmored perks for bruiser one shots

[bitter turtle]

The skills matter more than anything else

[junior needle]

So take that into account

[torn root]

yes

[serene sage]

is there a popular choice for gunlance?

[crude ermine]

Like, if you're rolling for elemental weapons you want armour that benefits your element

[raw steppe]

the difference

[bitter turtle]

Artillery is your most important skill

For dmg

Evade extender might be nice for comfort too

[torn root]

each peice has a positive skill that requires a threshhold of +10+15+20 to reach a new level i believe

[serene sage]

which armor has that?

[torn root]

some skill shave weird threshholds

[crude ermine]

One thing I hated in mhw was the jewel system

[bitter turtle]

You have to check

[crude ermine]

Rise was a very nice breath of fresh air for me

[bitter turtle]

But I thinj

[torn root]

but in genereal you need +10 minimum to get a skill acive

[crude ermine]

Having to just get the materials to make em

No rng

[bitter turtle]

Anja has artillery on some pieces?

[crude ermine]

I think so

Lemme check

[torn root]

for GL you want artillery, sharpness, razor sharp, some ppl like evade extender

guard

FLINCH RES <---- Necessary tax

[crude ermine]

The legs do

[crisp bronze]

I'm a dedicated Gunlance main in both World and Rise and the one thing I hope they keep is some of the amazing moves Gunlance has in Rise. Specificely Blast Dash. Sure tone it down a bit if it's too over the top but Blast Dash and the overhead slam Switch Skill that fully reloaded your GL and cooled down the Wyverns Fire were great additions.

[crude ermine]

Wait

[bitter turtle]

Sharpness stuff is probably too hard to get

Rn

[crude ermine]

I was looking at world's

[torn root]

anjanath rheneplos bzaelgeus

[bitter turtle]

Since they're lr

But I'd just try to get artillery

[crude ermine]

Let me see rise's

[torn root]

i think you can get razro sharp early in MHW

[bitter turtle]

Maybe evade if you can find it on tobi

Is it on odogaron?

[torn root]

more artillery peices are hornetaur as well

[bitter turtle]

I forgot

[torn root]

or is it bhanabra in world

[crude ermine]

Ok so

[torn root]

one of the bugs

bhnaba has razor sharp always

[crude ermine]

Rhenopolos on helm and Chet

Narwa

[serene sage]

How did they lose track of a 10 story high walking building that perma glows red and on fire lmao

[bitter turtle]

Bnahabra is such a cute set

[crude ermine]

Bazel

[serene sage]

Like what is this plot point

[crude ermine]

I'm not reading the rest of these

[bitter turtle]

I remember using it in tri just for fashion

[torn root]

bnahbra*

[bitter turtle]

Skills be damned

[torn root]

this is world

lmao

[crude ermine]

Oh

[torn root]

No Floaty mama

[crude ermine]

God dam it I was on the right track then

Yeah Anja does

[bitter turtle]

Ya I remember Anja having it

[torn root]

anjanath has

rheneplos always have

[bitter turtle]

Even in lr

[torn root]

world has hornetaurs

so those have it too

umm the mud fish

i forget the name

[bitter turtle]

Gajau

?

[torn root]

actually

those do

but the one you hunt

the big one

Jyuuratados

[bitter turtle]

The useless feesh

[torn root]

yeah XD

[bitter turtle]

What a loser

[crude ermine]

All armour with artillery

[serene sage]

damn I just picked anja randomly

and got it

though is it always active?

[torn root]

oy yo dodogama!

[serene sage]

how do I upgrade em

[torn root]

my favorite frogmonster

[crude ermine]

The rock eater

[torn root]

next to tetsucabra

[crude ermine]

The smithy

But it will require these one material

[torn root]

how many points

[serene sage]

yall will need to be patient with me

im entire new

what do i do here

[torn root]

oh wait its just 1 version in world till you get zora right?

cause the set gives artillery god

[crude ermine]

Yeah

Then it becomes alpha beta

[crude ermine]

I'll explain it

So it will require certain points, each set of materials gives certain amounts

Like the one below the first gives you 5 points

The first gives you 1

[torn root]

bro yall thought making builds in Darktide was hard

in MH you need SPREADSHEETS

literally

[crude ermine]

So slotting one at with the bottom you'll just need one instead of the first one needing more

You can even move it to the right to max it out entirely with enough

But it will cost you so choose your path on it

[torn root]

in world all peices come with already active skills

i would keep fire attack early because it affects shelling damage, but fery little

[crude ermine]

Upgrading increases the defense

It will NOT increase the skill amount

Say artillery will not increase per upgrade

[torn root]

but probably go to the desert and kill those rhydon looking monsters

[crude ermine]

Weapon upgrading however isn't like armour upgrading

We'll cross that bridge when we get there

[torn root]

early game dont bother leveling armour btw, because you are going to swapping pieces to the next level really fast until about just under HR

[serene sage]

so if I want artilerry on the helm

what should I do?

[crude ermine]

Ah

So what you want to do

[torn root]

get rheneplos armour

[crude ermine]

Is go to decorations and see the amount the armour can handle jewel wise

[torn root]

you basically just need an armor piece or decoration that gives a point in it

[crude ermine]

If it's big enough you can insert a jewel into the armour, implying you have one

[serene sage]

i think you vastly overestimated how many things i've killed and can craft at 10hours

idek what deco is

[torn root]

im assuming you can craft nothing

actually

[crude ermine]

Deco's are the skills, but can be put into any armour

So long as he jewel on the right side of the armour is big enough

[torn root]

i would recommend going to the desert and look for a rhydon to kill

its a peice you can get from the very beginning of the game

or early on i should say

[crude ermine]

Right here

But this armour has no jewel slots because of the line next to it being empty

[torn root]

he probably has to unlock the decoration 1st btw

[crude ermine]

Yes

[torn root]

MH doesnt just unlock decorations for getting the materials

[serene sage]

alright, the solution is to keep playing

[torn root]

you need HR levels and certain quests completed

[crude ermine]

Yes

Basically

[torn root]

yes got hunt some rhydons in the deser

[serene sage]

bc i can't do any of the things you guys are saying

[crude ermine]

Yeah that's saved for later

[torn root]

what maps can you go to fox?

10hrs in you should be able to go to maps without needing a quest

[umbral flame]

do you guys have any recommendations for this? New year, same old Hadron

[serene sage]

the wildspire waste, right?

[torn root]

wildspire wastes

yes

[torn root]

higher level of limbsplitter will come to you

just swap the perks

Carapace is my recommendation for one

or if you have it

there is a blessing that increases weakspot damage

[crude ermine]

Great map sidenote

[inland orchid]

Ooo what’s ur preferred weapon type? I use hunting horn

[umbral flame]

never used shovels before so im at zero for blessings sadly

[crude ermine]

I think he's using lance iirc

[brazen bay]

a bit off topic here is a garabage MS paint edit I made when MGSV came out

[serene sage]

the gun cousin

[brazen bay]

just found it when browsing my old meme folder

[umbral flame]

@torn root thanks for input

[inland orchid]

Beautiful

[crude ermine]

How knife zealots think they look

[crude ermine]

Ah

Gunlance

[inland orchid]

Fun I’ve dabbled with one of those doing the golden elder dragon raid

Pretty handy

[torn root]

leave kife zelots a lont

they bring me so much plasteel

[crude ermine]

Mother

[torn root]

golden titty dragon!

[inland orchid]

I love breaking the horns

[crude ermine]

Her armour was great

Really liked the at version

[inland orchid]

Fuck ya got a full HR fit of it on male

Mad shiny

[torn root]

actually so whats yer favorit none elder monsters

like top 2

[crude ermine]

Hmmm

Mizu

All 3

Violet, base, and soulseer

[inland orchid]

Kulu ya ku and the big red dog

Both are pretty fun to fight

[crude ermine]

Odogaron

[torn root]

rathalos?

[crude ermine]

World's case however

Uh

Hmm

[inland orchid]

On the nose

[torn root]

oh dog

not dragon

[crude ermine]

Fuck Im gonna have to think about this

[torn root]

brain rot

[crude ermine]

Ah

[inland orchid]

Fuckin love his armor and his aggressive bounce back style

[torn root]

mine are Rajang and Glavenus

[crude ermine]

Shrieking legiana

[inland orchid]

Even if u chunk em he loves going for another bite/swipe

[crude ermine]

Even though people HATE that fight I like it

[torn root]

i love rajang from since he was in frontier

[crude ermine]

Rajang scares me

In world

[torn root]

the one fight that teaches ppl to stop running

[inland orchid]

Mmm monke

[crude ermine]

First time meeting that chimpanzee on drugs was something

Decided to capture it

[torn root]

he had a super saiyan version in frontier

with blue eyes

always charged up

[crude ermine]

Then there's his even more pissed version

[torn root]

and when he gets angry he has a new state

[crude ermine]

Did you just say always charged up

[torn root]

yeah

[junior grail]

Monster Hunter 40K when?

[torn root]

like not furious rajane thats just golden

its like Super Saiyan and SS2

[inland orchid]

Another good regular monster would be galvanius, thing that sharpens its tail like a blade

[torn root]

hit golden lightning

[junior grail]

I want to wear a Beast of Nurgle armour

[inland orchid]

He’s beyblade central

[inland orchid]

Kill the heretic, wear the heretic

[crude ermine]

Oh god Frontier

I just caught onto that only now

[torn root]

ngl i would wear Khorne deamon heads as a prop

like actually

[crude ermine]

God the amount of crazy shit on that game

Specially this fucker

[tropic notch]

Ever since I’ve learned about the power sword block cancel I’ve been non stop dealing top dps with vet

[torn root]

this shit was crazy

[crude ermine]

I'ma see a vid on that rq

[inland orchid]

That’s dope to hear pal, glad that powersword’s doing it for ya

[crude ermine]

Since I'll never be able to experience it unfortunately

(hopefully more frontier monsters come to main games)

Sidenote

[torn root]

not a lot of frontier videos floating around

[tropic notch]

[torn root]

sadly it will never happen again i think

[crude ermine]

That hurts

[torn root]

we had Hypnoc Lavasioth and Rajan introduced

[tropic notch]

Sounds like someone doesn’t know pw tech

[torn root]

Hypnocatrice hasnt been introduced to MH fans past MHFU

freedomunite to date is still the biggest monsterhunter game i think

in terms of content

we kept Lavasioth tho

actually hope it never leaves

Lava fish is a cool design

[torn root]

that;s good, its not easy

you can cut like 90% of the power up frames

[crude ermine]

It's mhw fight could've been better

I liked espinas and the flaming version

[torn root]

i dont think the fight was that bad, they changed it in world because ppl hate the swimming

[crude ermine]

Tho I only did learn of white espi, uh yeah it looked fucking nuts

[crude ermine]

Ah

[torn root]

the swimming lunge is a cool animation imo

and god bless them fixxing th ehip checks

i dont think ppl remember plesioth hipchecking the world

[crude ermine]

I don't think people want to

I never experienced it

[torn root]

oh YEAH

i forgot they dumed down rajan in world too

lmao

and ppl still complained he was hard

[crude ermine]

..they dummed him DOWN?

I was fighting for my fucking life over there

[torn root]

took away his wall stun, took aways his slam adjustment, decreased the size of the rocks he can throw, took away him lifting a rock the size of china

[crude ermine]

Jeez

[feral cave]

Got an awesome Plasmagun setup. One perk is the tier 4 reload speed bonus I wanted, but what damage type should I make the other? Unyielding for bosses? Carapace for the really tough enemies?

[torn root]

and i think his triple homing attack became a double homing one?

his knock back aoe for raging got reduced too

[torn root]

Carapace >Unyielding if you cant swap the reload speed

[crude ermine]

Jesus and here I am being terrified of that raging ape only to find out he was way worse before

Rise I didn't mind fighting him tho

[feral cave]

Or should I do weak point damage?

[torn root]

Furious rajang also had the ability to empower his fists outside of rage mode, that got removed too

they nerfed the shit out of my boy

[torn root]

NEVER TAKE THIS

NEVER

well not neer

[feral cave]

On a plasmagun, or in general?

[torn root]

but i dont think plasmagun is worth using that for

[feral cave]

That's fair.

[torn root]

if you want weakspot damage there is a talent on the tree that i suggest personally

[feral cave]

Yes, I know that one, I have it.

Hence why I wondered about extra weak point damage.

[torn root]

rise version is also a nerfed one

just lsee nerfed

less*

bring back the MH4U version please!

[crude ermine]

Yeah I definitely did see that

We shall see if he does come back

[torn root]

this dude legit lifts china out of the ground

[feral cave]

Anyhow, so is Carapace > Unyielding damage because you encounter more Carapace enemies?

[crude ermine]

I call it throwing Idaho

In rise at least

[torn root]

yeah its so you can kill crushers easier, and it inherets the damage boost when you head shot bulwarks through the shield

[feral cave]

AW HELL YEAH

Ok doing that.

Thank you!!

[torn root]

he also had a twisting tackle attack

bro i remember it now

shit was beast

[crude ermine]

Twisting tackle?

[torn root]

in generations

he had like a powered up charge attack

it was a new move and i thought it was hilarious

[crude ermine]

Ahh

[feral cave]

Oh- got another question,

the talent Competitive Urge.

[abstract helm]

There a trick to using the bolter? The way it snaps around seemingly at random when aiming down the sights is incredibly off putting

[feral cave]

Is it worth taking? Or is the activation rate too low?

[torn root]

i think this talent was meant for auric only

[raw steppe]

use it as a semi-auto weapon

rather than an automatic weapon

[feral cave]

Ohh, is that because there are tons of enemies?

[torn root]

outside fo Auric Competitive Urge doesnt proc much

[torn root]

yes

[feral cave]

Ahhhhh, I see

[torn root]

because the director can spawn more specials

i cant call it bad

just less consistent outside of auric

[abstract helm]

Right, Im talking about that. Im trying to carefully aim but the weapon sight will seem to start relaxing from a shot then snap somewhere else mid animation

[feral cave]

I'm not really an Auric player (yet) so I'll leave it be.

ty!

[junior grail]

Competitive Urge is better than expected as its not limited by coherency range

[raw steppe]

do you have deadshot

and 75+ stability

on your gun

[abstract helm]

What Im getting at is not the weapon sway

I understand that mechanic

[torn root]

if it were 5% it would be a good talent in my eyes, but for now it just exists

[abstract helm]

Im saying is it supposed to be snappy all the time

Lemme post a video hang on

[torn root]

2.5% means on average you need about 40 specialists killed by teammates to proc it, doesnt work if you kill any of them

[junior grail]

There's this weird period after each shot where the gun returns to aim slower than you being able to shoot again

[raw steppe]

whats your stability?

[torn root]

they did give rajan a leap punch in world tho

and that 360 punch

[crude ermine]

I enjoyed his furious fight

The tempered version I did not

[torn root]

they changed his pin attack from 4u in world too

[crude ermine]

But somehow only beat it with hammer and not even my main weapon

[abstract helm]

see how it snaps to center while strafing, wtf is that

seems like an animation glitch, not a mechanic

Loading video

[torn root]

Hammer is one of the harder weapons to use on him lmao

minuse the KO magnetism

[torn root]

for some reason at certain angles if the swing is close enough to the head even if you hit rajangs fist it counts as a head hit

[torn root]

weapon sway + recoil

bolter has terrible weapon sway

[raw steppe]

ye

looks like

bad stability

and no deadshot

[torn root]

yeah deadshot might be recommended

or a whole new bolter

[abstract helm]

😐

[torn root]

aaah maybe i was too harsh on World rajan

he also got the triple ground punch move

i want them to fuse all the movesets for the next game

[crude ermine]

It's fun but I lost interest in rise

Like

The hammer

[torn root]

that's fine i lost interest too but i just recently updated it

[crude ermine]

Not the game itself

[torn root]

aaah

i was thinking about getting it on steam but nah

i dont play with ppl lmao

so hand held is fine

THE DIVE BOMB SLAM

[crude ermine]

I got it when it ported to console

[torn root]

i didnt realize that was a world addition

lmao

[crude ermine]

Tho only the base version was there and the DLC came out 3 months later

Base rise was

Something

[torn root]

world gave him that shit lightning channel attack

[crude ermine]

It's basically a free SAE

For me at least

Or whatever the CB heavy elemental slam is called

[torn root]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxU9ViA5y9OS6K2MnVnOgqkLWqJ1rbX96K?si=cnIL1keXKjuKJ5sY\

THIS SHIT

WAS ALWAYS COOL AF TO ME

the video doesnt show his sweeping laser either but he had one in world

realizing rise rajans is ass in comparison to worl rajan

4u version >World>Rise

[inland orchid]

I like world cuz it has iconic poogie

Love my lil piggie

[torn root]

poogie yup

i miss the duck tho

but that was exclusive to frontier

and we were never graced with it in US

outside of illegal downloads

[visual remnant]

suggest uhm

reducin weapon bob

helps tremendously with the bolter

it's in the video settings i think

like weapon sway

[zinc sundial]

What are the best blessing for the powersword, apart from power cycler

[torn root]

brutal momentum

[zinc sundial]

What does that do

[torn root]

Brutal Momentum and Supercharge

[zinc sundial]

Not power cycler?

[torn root]

you asked aside from Power Cycle

lol

[zinc sundial]

Ngl forgot

[torn root]

Power Cycle is the #1 most important Blessing imo

[zinc sundial]

I can get 1 or the other rn

[torn root]

so Brutal Momentum is hard to explain so I'll start by screenshotting with a mid

[glacial wharf]

why rajang got meat

[zinc sundial]

But both are tier 3

[barren cave]

What blessings on mk7 shovel?

[torn root]

AYO!

nah man!

that's his tail CHILL

[glacial wharf]

😭 🙏

[zinc sundial]

So brutal momentum 3 works fine

[torn root]

So brutal Momentum gives increased cleave and cleave damage indirectly

[serene sage]

So like his second tail?

[zinc sundial]

I dont n e e d 4

[torn root]

you never need 4

[glacial wharf]

what mod highlights all the keywords :3

[torn root]

but the weakspot damage helps kill everything in the game and aids 1secong crusher kills

[quick steeple]

you do NEED 4 on Pwr cycle tho

[torn root]

this

it causes divergent gameplay

low key

[torn root]

i gotta go through my list after explaining

for brutal momentum in hordes

[zinc sundial]

Alright so i just gotta grind for power cycler 4

[torn root]

killing an enemy with a cleave causes NO fall of for your damage until you hit 4+ targets

[neat stratus]

God DAMN they made this game become good

[zinc sundial]

Can brutal momentum make up for low cleave damage

[torn root]

yes and no

[quick steeple]

still want cleave

[zinc sundial]

Its 55 cleave damage

[torn root]

low cleave damage can lower your cleave kills from10 to just 6

[zinc sundial]

72 cleave target

[quick steeple]

^

[torn root]

but its not too importnat

[zinc sundial]

My current is 79 cleave damage

Ill just chill with it

[torn root]

the main reason ppl go for brutal momentum

[quick steeple]

more than good

[torn root]

its not really for the cleave but having the cleave stat helps for thehordes

you can wipe out a whole 15 dudes in 1 swing

[zinc sundial]

Im gonma take brutal momentum over supercharged

[torn root]

if you move your camera while swiping

[zinc sundial]

Classic

I have

This

[torn root]

use Precision Strikes with Brutal Momentum

my recommendation at least

[torn root]

keep that 1 second ttk on crushers

[torn root]

YES

[zinc sundial]

What is precision strikes

[torn root]

That's nice AF

[torn root]

talent

[zinc sundial]

I pair it with my groll boltgun

[torn root]

its a talent on the bottom left of you vet tree

[zinc sundial]

So i cam destroy anything

[torn root]

you are set tho

[zinc sundial]

I already use precision strikes

Huge

[quick steeple]

nice roll

[zinc sundial]

So im a monster now

[torn root]

with power cycler 1 you can just charge and double light into hordes at head height

[zinc sundial]

Thats what i do

[quick steeple]

@torn root cara4 needed for 1combo crusher?

[zinc sundial]

I dont really need tier 4

[torn root]

you should be able to kill all elites at 2 hits i think

[zinc sundial]

On damn?

Cause it 2 hits on heresy

[torn root]

i think unyield 3 + bring it down and precision strikes is all you need

[quick steeple]

good to know

[torn root]

or unyielding 3 + desperado

IF I am remembering correctly

i just dont like the idea of taking a talent specifically for melee

[zinc sundial]

I just need to change the perka

Should i switch weak spot damage to unyield 3

I only get 1 more change btw so gotta pick wisely

[torn root]

lmaop

with desperado and precision strike if you crit stab a crusher its a 1 shot

holy shit

[zinc sundial]

Whats desperado

[quick steeple]

LOL

[torn root]

that's a bit unneccesary

[quick steeple]

non focus highlight too

[torn root]

this was my roll lmao

no focus highlight

i always test and talk about weapons raw

[quick steeple]

now im curious if it would critkill without cara

or just unyield

[torn root]

in my case i think im actually getting carried by the elite damage roll

slightly

[quick steeple]

yea i figured

[torn root]

but i have it to kill every other elite

with desperado you don't need elite

i just have it because precision strikes and onslaught pushes me

at 70% damage and finess i think thats the BP for desperado

[quick steeple]

if so, could prob sub bring it down for mid-tree vet as well

[torn root]

with carapace*

[torn root]

im using that too

in my case i 100% need it

[quick steeple]

what does the crit hit without it im curious

superiority 15% elites as well on?

[torn root]

yes

degen tree

not the most damage, just here to help

[quick steeple]

brauto std degen build love it

[torn root]

Columnus....

keep the std over there we stay wrapped up over here lmao

[tropic notch]

Insane how most people don’t know about this

[torn root]

like 98% of the community is new

[junior rivet]

[torn root]

just gunna throw that out there every day

[tropic notch]

It’s so good on bosses as well

[torn root]

on the update on STEAM ALONE we had a 558% player increase

not to mention console buy ins

and Gamepass

[crude ermine]

It being free on gamepass definitely helped the most in terms of console

I bought the game myself instead of gp

[torn root]

wonder if its on PS+

[crude ermine]

I don't think so

Think it's just Xbox on terms of console

[torn root]

i bought the game pre day 1

imagine how salted i was in Early Access

was liek I like vermintide, I want this to do good

game broken

only working thing was the cash shop

[crude ermine]

Yeah I heard it wasn't too great on release

[torn root]

i havent touched a cosmetic store item since then

[crude ermine]

I only got the krieg skin and lil pieces but that's like one every 7 Weeks because most of the stuff has been mediocre

[torn root]

they need more challenge cosmetics

better crafting STILS

[tropic notch]

Pw tech can melt any boss