so i changed it
#veteran-class
torn root
low lava
Can support mouse bound slide
quick steeple
using mkIII or VII
low lava
Probably the biggest qol bind you can make
quick steeple
ah i had some weird dpi shif 3rd button i rebound on mine for this purpose, same other 2
torn root
all honesty having it on cntrl makes sense
i just got used to moving crouch to c for other games
control usually a bad key bind in games like CoD, Destiny and The Finals
but this game has more slides and sliding left and right with C is a nightmare
umbral scaffold
oh boy
ebon umbra
why is control bad for crouch? what finger do you use for c?
brazen bay
left index
low lava
Mouse side button, so you can hit sprint and crouch on 2 different hands
brazen bay
also who said ctrl is bad for crouch?
torn root
in other games it can get clunky because you are running 80% more
torn root
C crouching is just better usually
because we arent jumping like maniacs in other shooters
i dont have to release my run button
celest vine
ebon umbra
parkour vet is gaming tho
celest vine
So when we getting this ogryn boss
low lava
Not jumping like maniacs lmao
celest vine
Is we getting anotha plauge ogryn
ebon umbra
oh god that one is terrifying
celest vine
Pretty sure the left arm are flamethrowers
torn root
Looks like an entity pulled from Warhammer fantasy
brazen bay
who needs to crouch anyway? if you aint running you aint fast and if you aint fast youre dead
celest vine
It has tanks on the back
torn root
drowned gunner
brazen bay
circle strafe on them heretics
celest vine
Looks like an entity pulled from Warhammer fantasy
The chaos spawn was 1-1 pulled from vermintide
Adding a few pieces of jagged metal
low lava
Sprint and crouch gives you slide, goated mechanic in this game
celest vine
torn root
still this is nice man
celest vine
Big flamethrower ogryn thing
torn root
watch me never pull it off when it matters tho
celest vine
Probably more cancer to fight than a chaos spawn
brazen bay
wait is that some mod or some sort of leak?
low lava
Stormfiend was always the easiest boss to fight in vt2 though
celest vine
And to he fair we dont really have a good shooting monstrosity
Scab captain doesnt count
low lava
Although i guess fire is more of a bitch in this game so it might be the most annoying one
brazen bay
well shit considering it has a big f off cannon for an arm, I am guessing it is going to be harder because im betting those rounds go boom and boom yeets you to the moon
low lava
Depends on if it spams melee at you if you engage it in melee
celest vine
Im pretty sure the stormfiend was a fire based boss right)
low lava
Yea but vt2 didnt have fire slowdown
quick steeple
possibility of corruption/pox type flames maybe? since theyre messing wiht the corruption gasses n bombs now
celest vine
Chaos spawns rock your game if you cant kill it quick enough
This would have bad area denial
Bomber on steroids
brazen bay
well that lines up actually buff the shit out of fire and release a boss not long after that is purely fire based sounds like a FS move
low lava
Maybe it might drop twins gas on you
celest vine
Gotta keep those blight grenades in use somehow
low lava
Instead of fire
quick steeple
Maybe it might drop twins gas on you
that was my thinking
celest vine
The gas bombs are just severed plauge heads too
quick steeple
yaknow... if vet smoke got the ability to clear CC in its radius it would actually be a way more unique pick
ala choke nades in hunt showdown
low lava
It would actually be pretty good lol
quick steeple
bruh...
brazen bay
yaknow... if vet smoke got the ability to clear CC in its radius it would actual...
this let smoke "smother" fire and clear blight and it would be a really nice utiliy for it to have
quick steeple
BRUHH
quick steeple
eactly
celest vine
Make the game more playable
low lava
Since it already doesnt do shit against snipers
celest vine
muted knot
still this is nice man
When did you charge it ?
quick steeple
When did you charge it ?
anim-cancel
low lava
Charge can be animation canceled by blocking animation > push stab
torn root
WHEN YOU GET GRABBED BY A CHAOS SWPAN INTO 2 POX BURSTERS
JUST FEELS NICE MAN!
FUCK!
brazen bay
prior to the fire update snipers were my biggest pain but they still annoy the shit out me with their ability to blast through a horde to hit you mean while most you can seemingly shoot through is a few even with high pen
torn root
When did you charge it ?
animation cancle
celest vine
WHEN YOU GET GRABBED BY A CHAOS SWPAN INTO 2 POX BURSTERS
I wish that fucking boss stayed in the files and never saw the light of day
Its genuinly the most unfun fight in the entire game
brazen bay
FUCK!
if his throw animation wasnt so damn long it wouldnt be so bad, it feels like when he is throwing I have enough to time to make sandwhich and grab a drink
celest vine
Daemonhosts are better than it
ocean raptor
what weapons are good cause so far it seems all semi-auto suck
torn root
if you shove attack somewhere in the 1st 15 frames i think
brazen bay
and still be yeeted
torn root
you just removed 95% of the animation
torn root
if his throw animation wasnt so damn long it wouldnt be so bad, it feels like wh...
it was munching on me
then 2 posburstes ended me completely
celest vine
If the chaos spawn had about
50-75% of the health it has it would be fine
Shouldnt be the same 30k hitpoints as every other boss
brazen bay
then 2 posburstes ended me completely
I got monkey in the middled by two muties a while back, had one tackle and throw me in to another and got in a loop between them playing catch with me
low lava
Spawn already has less hp
torn root
the only thing i dont like about it, but it IS fair
celest vine
Enable console commands and kill the chaos spawn
torn root
always nice when the 1st match you get ended because of director sending everything all at once when you have 2 bots
lmao
celest vine
ocean raptor
whats the diffrence in using a lasgun and a autogun? and which weapon is the best all round?
torn root
whats the diffrence in using a lasgun and a autogun? and which weapon is the bes...
lasguns for ppl who want to try
auto guns for ppl who want to win
🙂
jk
brazen bay
whats the diffrence in using a lasgun and a autogun? and which weapon is the bes...
imo all guns are good the only really arguable bad type of gun is the reconlas
torn root
but the auto guns in general are braindead, columnus gunna get nerfed
brazen bay
but every weapon type has the same 3 sub cats slow but hits hard, fast but weak and the middle
celest vine
imo all guns are good the only really arguable bad type of gun is the reconlas
The autopistol is kinda doo doo too
untold mulch
I personally think that at least to me the Autoguns perform noticiable better than lasguns
much to my pain 
torn root
^
celest vine
Lasguns are better on ammo
junior needle
Autopistol is in the dumpster too, yeah
brazen bay
The autopistol is kinda doo doo too
fair but I think all pistols minus revolvers are just weaker verisons of their "rifle" counter parts
celest vine
Lets the veteran use other auras easier
low lava
Laspistol is what recon wants to be lol
celest vine
Just get shock trooper then boom youre personal ammo count is tood
untold mulch
Lasguns are better on ammo
Imo, not to a degree that I feel is worth
Maybe because I ran scavenger
brazen bay
Laspistol is what recon wants to be lol
this is true. the reconlas was pretty dope on relesea but they nerfed it to hell for some reason
celest vine
Imo, not to a degree that I feel is worth
You dont need scavanger with shock troop
torn root
Lasguns are better on ammo
nothig has better ammo econ than the columnus when you think about it
ocean raptor
i find that lasguns have a hard time with hords. and this game is like 80% hords
untold mulch
Laspistol is what recon wants to be lol
Laspistol was my coping recon
And then Fatshark nerfed its firerate and I was once agian fucked
celest vine
nothig has better ammo econ than the columnus when you think about it
Mg1A
Not even a question
torn root
you can burn your ammo on columnus but it doesnt matter, the amount of kills you are getting while doing it
brazen bay
i find that lasguns have a hard time with hords. and this game is like 80% hords
mlee is always going to be better for horde than most guns though if horders are your issue you can try a powersword, shovel or something similar
torn root
Crit build? Congrats you dont need scavanger or any ammo pickups
not taking scavenger is troll
the other aura's are just tax when you dont want to go down left
junior needle
Infantry lasguns have good ammo economy with deadshot/shocktrooper, but their flak damage hurts me.
untold mulch
Imo, lasguns need something
celest vine
not taking scavenger is troll
Nope thats two extra perk points for me
untold mulch
Infantry lasguns have good ammo economy with deadshot/shocktrooper, but their fl...
Their flak damage made me stop using them
celest vine
Everyone else xan find their own ammo
untold mulch
Most common damage type
junior needle
You can't run infernus and onslaught on them to fix that anymore either
ocean raptor
trying to choose one weapon out of the amount of weapons you can choose is so hard. i dont know their stats or what their good and bad at
celest vine
Infantry lasguns have good ammo economy with deadshot/shocktrooper, but their fl...
I still one hit headshot all that matters
untold mulch
You can't run infernus and onslaught on them to fix that anymore either
Las enjoyers we are always fucked 😔
ocean raptor
Which gun is better mk1 infantry autogun vs MG XII infantry lasgun?
untold mulch
I am using the autoguns a lot more
torn root
its prefferance right there
celest vine
Which gun is better mk1 infantry autogun vs MG XII infantry lasgun?
Depends, do you like to click on heads?
Or shoot hordes
MG12 is the best head clicking gun
brazen bay
the XII is great for popping heads on just about everything short of carpace
ocean raptor
I don't know. Both. Kinda suxks when your allies are running in front of your fire.
torn root
still irks my why laser weapons don;t have effectiveness on armour
ocean raptor
Like taking out hords is important but my build is all about taking out the Elites asap
celest vine
Shock trooper lets you get away from needing the survivalist aura
brazen bay
Like taking out hords is important but my build is all about taking out the Elit...
if your are foucsing on that kinda of thing between those 2 the XII is likely your best bet
celest vine
So you can say get two extra perk points
torn root
Shock trooper lets you get away from needing the survivalist aura
i can only ever agree with not taking survivalist when you are point starved for infiltrate
that's legit the only time i think it might not be worth
ocean raptor
Okay. Then what melee weapon is good for hords. Rn I'm using the mk5 combat axe
untold mulch
still irks my why laser weapons don;t have effectiveness on armour
Imagine if they had a innate rending
crisp rapids
is longshot worth it?
trail ingot
why are all game lantern builds the og shovel and not the mun mk 7
torn root
don't need krak when gun kill carapace
celest vine
You dont need survivalist with lasguns as long as you run shock trooper
Fuck your team mates
They can take the ammo pickups
torn root
look at all the damage
obsidian kite
Two extra perk points
I think it's only one if you swapped to survivalist. Plus you could just get rid of Longshot
low lava
Outdated, most gamelantern builds are ass
celest vine
Youll be fine
brazen bay
beacue the only major diff between the shovels is the attack pattern
obsidian kite
longshot is good
celest vine
uhh, longshot good?
Longshot is free damage
torn root
uhh, longshot good?
long shot is free damage for ranged elites
crisp rapids
yeha but i need 2 points to reach the 5% extra critchance
celest vine
Always take it
obsidian kite
but I think between longshot and having survivalist for the team, absolutely take survivalist
celest vine
yeha but i need 2 points to reach the 5% extra critchance
Headhunter covers it
torn root
survivalist is for the team but if we're being honest its just a selfish aura that just happens to help them
serene bough
uhh, longshot good?
I dont think its good, it's pretty vague asto how often you'll get 20% damage
But ET right after it is worth taking
torn root
I dont think its good, it's pretty vague asto how often you'll get 20% damage
20% at 29m
happens pretty frequent
celest vine
Im not taking frags to help the psyker who refuses to use staff
celest vine
Its based on tsrget too
quick steeple
1-20% damage at 8-29m
if using 1 for bonus range elite dmg, kill zonewill more often be higher and more predictable
crisp rapids
huh
torn root
if using 1 for bonus range elite dmg, kill zonewill more often be higher and mor...
most ranged enemies are going to be farther away
celest vine
That lets you one hit bodyshot snipers
torn root
unless you are running to melee
crisp rapids
i have dumdum, on it already
torn root
which is your fault
torn root
that and killzone turns off the moment something steps in close radius
longshot is more consistent
at all points of the game
celest vine
Take a breath is good for long range shootouts and clutching
Youll always be regenerating
torn root
^
celest vine
Even if you are taking active gunner damsge
quick steeple
most ranged enemies are going to be farther away
yes, but you wont get an equivalent 15% base to = killzone until they are about 23m away vs 8
torn root
catch a breath is good for kiting
crisp rapids
cana gripinaa mk1 ge theadhunter?
celest vine
Its a critical survival tool
Just as useful as iron wikk
Works evem if no allies is in coherency
white minnow
IAGs don't have headhunter
torn root
yes, but you wont get an equivalent 15% base to = killzone until they are about ...
you will have multiple times when a horde is in your face and you STILL have to kill ranged enemies, you cant get killzone bonuse without taking care of the hoard, you can still use longshot while kiting, that's why so many ppl take it
celest vine
Lasguns doo
torn root
you will have multiple times when a horde is in your face and you STILL have to ...
don't ignore snipers and gunners, fucking kill them lmao
quick steeple
you will have multiple times when a horde is in your face and you STILL have to ...
oh for sure
killzone is meant to be an opener 100% not a mid horde buff
zinc sundial
Hey can i get some help making a sly marbo build rq
trail ingot
Lasguns doo
kantrael mg 12 is the og op.
low lava
Mk3 psword and mk12 kantrael, the og build
celest vine
Still have mine
torn root
if the skill tree got rid of some of the fluff where we could have killzone and longshot, that would be nice ngl
but for now longshot being a 1 point investment is just too good
zinc sundial
Boltgun is still supreme btw
civic knot
Buy?
celest vine
Krak for monstrosites, sword for hordes and crushers, lasgun for everything else
quick steeple
if the skill tree got rid of some of the fluff where we could have killzone and ...
ya the extra point wasted on reload speed sucks
torn root
ya the extra point wasted on reload speed sucks
nah the reload speed matters
tall torrent
Killzone is just not that great ngl, wish it was 5m instead of 8m
trail ingot
she cute. heres my pre gamelantern bae
torn root
its just that having to go deep in the tree for killzone is just meh by that time you have other nodes you rather get with point investments at the end
midnight totem
Oh that's nice
civic knot
U could get if ur waiting for autopistol buff
is it confirmed?
torn root
superiority complex, more ammo. weakspot damage. bring it down, ONSLAUGHT
civic knot
or expected?
tall torrent
is it confirmed?
No
untold mulch
Autopistol buff will come alongside Recon's
junior needle
Autopistol buff will come alongside Recon's
buff
recons
Haha funneh joke
zinc sundial
I need help making a sly matbo build
junior needle
I need help making a sly matbo build
Well first you need to AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
untold mulch
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
junior needle
Then take AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and go into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
torn root
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALTF F4
zinc sundial
I tried that but it didnt work
wind echo
I need help making a sly matbo build
for melee? knife
zinc sundial
Which one
wind echo
knife
trail ingot
whats the meta shovel rn? the original? im finding the Mun mk 7 to be fantastic
zinc sundial
New knife or old knife
wind echo
new
wooden lotus
mk 3 shovel is my fav
zinc sundial
Got it with a decent roll
wooden lotus
new knife has better cleave but less strikedown heavies
still enough to be good enough for stuff like crushers
but its mostly preference
zinc sundial
Yeah i tested it in meat grinder
trail ingot
mk 3 shovel is my fav
ill go test one out
zinc sundial
My half ass build got some good damage
wind echo
wait
wooden lotus
mk 3 has the nuclear special swings but a good horde-clear moveset
wind echo
k
trail ingot
personally mk 6 power sword is still my baby
i find myself taking too much damage charging the thing on dam+
junior needle
Both knives seem to have the same amount of cleave on light attacks
Or at least not enough to make any difference to bruisers
junior needle
If you're lightspamming, the 3 is technically better
zinc sundial
I wamt it more for killing big targets
junior needle
As the 3rd attack has increased damage
wooden lotus
the singular poke instead of more sweeps is the main thing on the 3 moveset that makes it have less cleave
junior needle
Then 3 is preferred as well for consistent heavy bonking
zinc sundial
True
junior needle
Yeah, heavies have actual cleave on the 6
zinc sundial
Hopefully i cam get a good roll without spensing everything
crisp rapids
what should i use for a crit agrip build?
wooden lotus
i find myself taking too much damage charging the thing on dam+
yeah thats the weakness of it but i make it work fine with enough spacing and knowing that im gonna wind it up
lime mesa
is 11% damage good ? i’ve never heard of it being this low so im kinda confused
crisp rapids
lime mesa
Thats an insane roll
like bad insane or good insane
zinc sundial
Bad
lime mesa
f
zinc sundial
Ive never seen damage that low
crisp rapids
still hilarious
do grab it and elave it in your inventory
some of those weapons are just fun to show
zinc sundial
If im doing this build would i still want focus fire
crisp rapids
how do i get more crit for my agrip crit biuld
lime mesa
lmao
main dock
is 11% damage good ? i’ve never heard of it being this low so im kinda confused
That is an infinitely worse Kantreal MG XII Infantry Lasgun
umbral scaffold
Anyone know what the best mission for on overwatch would be?
zinc sundial
I got a pretty crazy boltgun the other day
zinc sundial
Anyone know what the best mission for on overwatch would be?
Consignment yard
Thats where i got mine
main dock
You need to make sure you have a team where you let them know you're going for On Overwatch, and have someone watch your back for stragglers who like to fuck up your run
main dock
That'll just end up with getting an axe in the spine from some asshole who slipped through the others, as is the way of On Overwatch...
sharp ember
main dock
Is good thing
zinc sundial
Gloryhunter needs to be replaced with shattering impact but its still very good
sharp ember
surgical is a solid choice too
umbral scaffold
I think they patched the on overwatch disconnect trick
zinc sundial
True
umbral scaffold
Where u just dc at the end of a mission and rejoin
quick steeple
^ and reroll unyield to max or flack/carapace. can change as needed
lunar frost
I have surgical 4 banked rn
nuts roll
zinc sundial
Usually kills bosses in 3 seconds tho
Does brittleness qork on bosses or only armored enemies
zinc sundial
^ and reroll unyield to max or flack/carapace. can change as needed
Got it
white minnow
brittleness/rending works on maniac/flak/carapace/unyielding
zinc sundial
So
quick steeple
Does brittleness qork on bosses or only armored enemies
anything not "unarmored"
zinc sundial
So ill kill bosses faster with it
Im also rockin a pretty good mk6 power sword but its not exactly what i want
quick steeple
So ill kill bosses faster with it
they should be dead fast anyway lol
zinc sundial
They are
quick steeple
prob take surgical primarily for ads 1hko on elites
zinc sundial
Surgical would make it more all rounded
quick steeple
shattering may be preferrable with those maxed perk rolls tho cause it might not matter much lol
zinc sundial
I already 1hko with headshots but thats only on heresy
True
I have shattering 3
Havent gotten lucky with 4
sharp ember
Does brittleness qork on bosses or only armored enemies
what does the damage table say your Unyielding damage is compared to your base damage
quick steeple
oh i was talking in terms of auric maels lol
zinc sundial
Ive been to scared to do auric yet
quick steeple
send tablez
zinc sundial
I dont have a team
Im ssing the table
Ngl rockin it in the free world with this boltgun
ebon umbra
im more of a sedition only recon 6d vanguard enthusiast +9 stamina guy
zinc sundial
Turns everything into paper
ebon umbra
tis a simple life
sharp ember
looks like your boltgun already does 100% damage against Unyielding, so brittleness will do virtually nothing for you
zinc sundial
im more of a sedition only recon 6d vanguard enthusiast +9 stamina guy
Classix sedition gameplay
sharp ember
it'll only improve your damage against carapace
zinc sundial
Alright
So what would be a good blessing to replace gloryhunter
I have surgical 4
sharp ember
Surgical is great for paced shots
zinc sundial
Really would only need it for ads
quick steeple
Really would only need it for ads
ideally thats how you use it outside 6 crushers or boss
sharp ember
but it would work for magdumping
zinc sundial
ideally thats how you use it outside 6 crushers or boss
Can i 1tap crusher with max surgical?
quick steeple
Not sure if Cavalcade is any good
mag not quite big enough to get real benefit imo
quick steeple
test it in damn in range
sharp ember
headhunter flak, then it's a godroll
zinc sundial
test it in damn in range
Is it worth the rebless
sharp ember
surgical doesn't exist for kantrael sadly
quick steeple
Is it worth the rebless
test first and find out lol
crisp rapids
i dont have headhunter yet so i'll get get it
quick steeple
prob still a 2tap
quick steeple
Can i change test a blessing without reblessing?
no, but surgical t4 no brainer since you have it already
zinc sundial
Is there really nothing better than
sharp ember
anything's better than Gloryhunter 1 lol
zinc sundial
I meant nothing better than surgical
crisp rapids
should i yeet this away?
zinc sundial
I 5 tap without surgical
quick steeple
I meant nothing better than surgical
surg or shatter are your 2 options
crisp rapids
or noh?
quick steeple
I 5 tap without surgical
pinning fire btw, can max stack with 1 shot in a horde then tap elite
torn root
Ig i now own an insane godroll boltgun
perks/blessings?
zinc sundial
perks/blessings?
torn root
pinning fire/cavalcade + shattering impact
zinc sundial
I was told shattering is redundant for monsters
torn root
just not pinning fire stacks poorly on monsters
zinc sundial
If i fire 1 shot into a horde it maxes pinning fire
torn root
no rending still works on monsters ppl need to stop with that misinformation
zinc sundial
I have the perk for rending
torn root
its just not as effective as vs carapace
obsidian kite
wait, vs carapace for monsters?
quick steeple
wait, vs carapace for monsters?
rend works on both
torn root
everyone keeps saying its just effective on armour and refuse to listen that it just increases your multiplyer and aginst defence types by 10% literally what it does
obsidian kite
ah
torn root
if you have good damage against something then its less beneficial is all
10% better when you already do well isnt much of a diff vs 10% better when you need help killing something
zinc sundial
I have good damage against everything
celest vine
what am missing here?
holy fuckl
thats godly
headhunter and flak and you have the best set up
torn root
either way pinning fire + shattering impact or cavalcade + shattering impact, dont listen to anyone who tells you shattering is bad
there is surgcal that you can take on bolter too
zinc sundial
I 3-4 tapped the crusher with 5 stacks of pinning fire
torn root
should be the case
torn root
its a can opener when used on bulwarks too
quick steeple
well obv that changes things
zinc sundial
I wanna see my absolute max
Gonna use stim with ult and focus
2 tap
Without headshots
Alright so without min maxing im doing 2-3 shot kills on a crusher
torn root
do you have bring it down?
zinc sundial
Yes
torn root
hmm
zinc sundial
3 tap without stacks of power
torn root
dont gotta push for better
zinc sundial
I want it to be better
torn root
3 bullets means 5 crushers per mag?
quick steeple
are you using the elite %dmg perks?/ogryn etc
quick steeple
if you're running a std plasma VOC focus vet it should be accessible
and you'll want to 25% ammo on bolty
quick steeple
I have a nice plasma but i dont prefer it anymore
i was just assuming you have something along those lines in your tree
quick steeple
gets hot is good
zinc sundial
Very good
quick steeple
thermal and reload is doodoo
zinc sundial
Yeah but thermal is fine since i need max heat
quick steeple
Yeah but thermal is fine since i need max heat
you want high thermal so you can combo gethot + blaze hipfire
zinc sundial
I didnt even know
obsidian kite
I was thinking about replacing gloryhunter with shattering impact. would it be better to replace with gets hot?
zinc sundial
umbral scaffold
Does anybody know which type of grenade works best for longbomb?
zinc sundial
Normal one
quick steeple
I was thinking about replacing gloryhunter with shattering impact. would it be b...
shattering normally good but plasma not realy, compared to Gets Hot especially
zinc sundial
I just went to meat grinder and found the angle amd kept tossing into hordes
obsidian kite
okay good to know, ty
zinc sundial
I want my krieger helm but i still need 18 matches
cerulean void
Does anybody know which type of grenade works best for longbomb?
shredder is pretty much the only one you can use, krak grenade magnetises to carapace but has an abyssmal radius
quick steeple
I was thinking about replacing gloryhunter with shattering impact. would it be b...
gun is slow and super high base dmg that the passthrough benefit is not nearly as good as synergizing the crit boost
zinc sundial
I wish it was an actual challenge and not just a tine gate
umbral scaffold
shredder is pretty much the only one you can use, krak grenade magnetises to car...
I figured as much, thanks
quick steeple
shredder is pretty much the only one you can use, krak grenade magnetises to car...
shredder best outside nurgle pretty much
or if you dont have a way to deal with carapace in the build rn
zinc sundial
What do yall think is the absolute best vet build rn
quick steeple
What do yall think is the absolute best vet build rn
whatever you have fun playing (VOC best ability barnone tho)
bitter turtle
What do yall think is the absolute best vet build rn
Plasma power sword shredder voc with wep specialist imo
Tho some would say focus target over wep
obsidian kite
I like focus target a lot
zinc sundial
Focus target ftw
obsidian kite
focus target VoC plasma is definitely easy mode for veteran
quick steeple
spec isnt bad, bad players trying to be stealth ninjas are bad
wanton dawn
Plasma voc shredder focus can deal with all maelstrom, so it'd be the most polyvalent
obsidian kite
it makes the dodge not completely ass lol
zinc sundial
Its already nutty with power cycle
torn root
What do yall think is the absolute best vet build rn
P.Sword with either Plasma Gun or Columnus --- VoC----IDGAF what grenade, they kinda dont matter
bitter turtle
Yes
zinc sundial
P.Sword with either Plasma Gun or Columnus --- VoC----IDGAF what grenade, they k...
Smoke grenade obv
zinc sundial
Power sword already swings wicked fast
bitter turtle
And the auto reload helps plasma
Imo It's better than focus
Not that focus is bad
wanton dawn
Auto reload plasma is qol
obsidian kite
I hope they buff smoke, it'd be fun if it was actually good
quick steeple
And the auto reload helps plasma
works better with handcannons
bitter turtle
Power sword already swings wicked fast
That's like saying plasma already does high dmg so don't take more dmg nodes
zinc sundial
True
wanton dawn
Focus target plasma is better at boss
zinc sundial
Dont take nodes
quick steeple
I hope they buff smoke, it'd be fun if it was actually good
i had a eureka moment earlier that all they need to do is give it a snuff on CC like a choke nade- removes fire/vomit in radius
obsidian kite
yes make it remove fire and make it actually stop snipers/shooters better
bitter turtle
Auto reload plasma is qol
Ya It's not the main point of me preferring wep special for sure
Its just a nice bonus on top of making sword actually dumb
zinc sundial
What i like about vet is everything is viable
bitter turtle
Recon
zinc sundial
Exceot smoke
bitter turtle
Checkmate
torn root
recons are viable
zinc sundial
Didnt hotshot use recon
wanton dawn
Sure, but i rate highly being good at everything
obsidian kite
Recon las got nerfed into oblivion
bitter turtle
Viable like a grey gun
obsidian kite
f
torn root
idk what's up with ppl swinging around the word viable
zinc sundial
Grey gun is very good
torn root
everything in the damn game works, so its all 'viable'
bitter turtle
If u define viable as clearing auric mael
Grey guns are viable
Word becomes meaningless
torn root
so you mean to say META
zinc sundial
I think ill do a wound build
bitter turtle
V7 isn't a top gun but it offers a significant niche
torn root
you can clear the game with greys so they are viable
zinc sundial
Max all my regen stuff and have all the wounds ever
zinc sundial
Viablity is shaped by opinion
quick steeple
go down the middle vs left 5% hp node so you get the additive +15 toughness
swap suppression for 15% elite on left
bitter turtle
I don't feel like arguing semantics
zinc sundial
Name 1 thing that doesnt work
bitter turtle
Viability as defined by something that can clear a map just doesn't mean much in this game
Thats just imo
obsidian kite
oh is blaze away only level 3?
bitter turtle
Yes
torn root
thats the point
raw steppe
Viable in video game terms has warped over the years
bitter turtle
I don't want to argue semantics
raw steppe
And at this point means "strong"
bitter turtle
Nah
zinc sundial
Conversate semantics
torn root
not gunna but literally everything is viable
raw steppe
So if someone asks "is x viable"
raw steppe
They're usually asking if its strong
torn root
So if someone asks "is x viable"
the answer will always be yes
raw steppe
And you say its ok
torn root
thats why balance exists
bitter turtle
Its a pve game so using a pvp definition of viable is iffy
torn root
Theyre not asking a yes/no question
is something viable = does it work
thats a yes or no question
zinc sundial
I hope vet gets a melta
torn root
i can say yes
bitter turtle
There is very few pve games where not everything is viable
torn root
but imo
bitter turtle
If you use the pvp definition
raw steppe
is something viable = does it work
Not really in this game lol
Because this isnt a stat check game
torn root
tf are you on
quick steeple
Not really in this game lol
considering most of the playerbase cant get past heresy its all viable lol
torn root
someone can go in with all grey auris and win so it works lmao
how well it works is a diff question
zinc sundial
Heresy isnt that bad
raw steppe
Compared to a gacha for example where u cant clear x content if you dont have item level
zinc sundial
Damn is fun but i need to carry my baby friends
raw steppe
Most of the content is gated on player skill
Rather than gear
So in the context of dt
bitter turtle
how well it works is a diff question
The reason this semantic discussion is meaningless because viability discussions usually come from games with competitive environments
zinc sundial
So now im a destroyer of worlds in malice
raw steppe
When someone asks "is x viable"
bitter turtle
Where you literally can't compete with some gear or chars
quick steeple
Damn is fun but i need to carry my baby friends
i drop mine into damn when they hit 20, learn or die lol
raw steppe
Theyre not asking if it can clear because every weapon can in the right hands
bitter turtle
Trying to transplant this into causal pve games
raw steppe
Theyre asking if its good or not
zinc sundial
I was running malice at 9
bitter turtle
Everything is viable in casual pve games almost always
zinc sundial
They kept dying so we had to pkay desition
quick steeple
Theyre not asking if it can clear because every weapon can in the right hands
err maybe not recon las rn in auric XD
torn root
The reason this semantic discussion is meaningless because viability discussions...
so even more so the fact that ppl throw that word around in a game like this is dumb af
zinc sundial
Sedition
raw steppe
Everything is viable in casual pve games almost always
Exactly
bitter turtle
Imagine designing a thing in a casual pve game and literally just making it not work
Lol
zinc sundial
I almost fell asleep
raw steppe
And dt is a casual pve game
bitter turtle
That's just called shitty design
raw steppe
So everything is viable
zinc sundial
One does mot simply, casually kill heretics
bitter turtle
That's why I don't like this definition
bitter turtle
so even more so the fact that ppl throw that word around in a game like this is ...
You can say it's the wrong word to use sure
raw steppe
Not viability
pallid notch
@main dock
raw steppe
They just suck ass
crisp rapids
headhunter and flak and you have the best set up
i need ot find headhunter
raw steppe
And need a carry
bitter turtle
Does the gun have a niche basically
crisp rapids
i dont have it :XD:
bitter turtle
Does the gun have something that makes it stand out
Like v7 or lasguns
Which aren't meta
But have niches
torn root
its weird that this chat will say use what ever then turn and say something isnt viable
its a bit contradictory
raw steppe
Does the gun have a niche basically
"is x viable" = "is x worth using"
pallid notch
@main dock
bitter turtle
Yeah basically
raw steppe
"can x clear content" is always yes
Because its a casual pve game
So viable primary definition doesnt make sense
bitter turtle
its weird that this chat will say use what ever then turn and say something isnt...
It's bc you are using the definition of the word viable the way it is used in competitive games
That is why you see a disconnect
Which yes maybe people should say does this gun have a niche
Or is this gun competitive
But again
quick steeple
can we let this go already lol im too hungover to keep up with the chat
bitter turtle
I don't like arguing semantics so I just accept what ppl are asking
Lol
Which is what dis said
raw steppe
Yep
main dock
<@308007193377112064>
interesting build, not sure how well it would work
raw steppe
Just accept what words ppl are using
And give them the answer theyre looking for
Not the answer they asked for
quick steeple
@mental wedge whats the build intention?
pallid notch
@main dock copied it from this dude https://youtu.be/lQRHFPJyALg?si=W1TD7iorvLus6AKi
raw steppe
Otherwise people will come in being like "is recon viable"
bitter turtle
It's everyone's fault except me
raw steppe
And the real answer is "no its not"
bitter turtle
Every last one of you
raw steppe
But ppl will argue it is
torn root
ppl are always going to argue what it is
raw steppe
Because they can beat a5 with it
torn root
because of contradictions
then yall are gunna clown on them
because of contradictions
bitter turtle
It's hard to get ppl to change the words they use even in more extreme cases
torn root
happens every day on this chat
bitter turtle
Just let them use the wrong word if it's harmless and u know what they mean
Not worth the effort
torn root
im not gunna correct anyone I am gunna note how funny it is to see it everyday
raw steppe
I only clown on ppl who say stupid shit lol
I never clown on anybody whos asking questions
Or looking for help
torn root
the moment yall say shit like recon is ass, or kraks are better than shredder a shit storm starts up
bitter turtle
Ya imagine telling them recon is viable in the sense that u can clear content with it
Then they farm for hours to make one
quick steeple
<@308007193377112064> copied it from this dude https://youtu.be/lQRHFPJyALg?si=...
reload specialist perk kinda wasted on recon imo, better options
what are your perk rolls lookin like
bitter turtle
And find out its complete shit compared to iag
bitter turtle
the moment yall say shit like recon is ass, or kraks are better than shredder a ...
I don't think anyone argues with recon bad lol
bitter turtle
I always say recon bad when ppl say we are talking off topic bc it's a generic and funny thing to say that nobody argues with
torn root
subjectively i think recons and infernus are hot trash
pallid notch
raw steppe
Infernus is a huge noob trap lol
torn root
can never have an objective notion, but DoT and low dps/ttk I am never going to say is good, past servicable
bitter turtle
It's not really subjective
torn root
never gunna state it like fact tho, always know its imo
bitter turtle
Recon is really basically an iag with pretty lasers
torn root
oy that's semantics
obsidian kite
what should I do with the perks? upgrade carapace, change one to maniac or something? I'm kinda just feeling like not touching it lol
bitter turtle
You can make an objective comparison between their numbers
bitter turtle
Since it's basically the same gun type
torn root
dont
raw steppe
what should I do with the perks? upgrade carapace, change one to maniac or somet...
Honestly its pretty good as is
bitter turtle
Just look at that video that gets spammed for mutant ttk lol
It's just a bad gun that doesn't win at anything vs competitor that is the exact same gun
raw steppe
I would swap cara for elites for gunner BP or maniac for flamer bp
But cara is good too
torn root
Just look at that video that gets spammed for mutant ttk lol
don't need a video im not touching anything that feels like a nerf gun in this game
tried it and immediately deleted that shit
pallid notch
Thx
torn root
I don't disagree on the sentimnt that recon is ass will never
main dock
Mainly using rifle in bursts to keep enemies pinned down as well as killing them
pallid notch
Am I switching up last gun than as well or no
main dock
Shout often, whenever there are enemies nearby
bitter turtle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afe0221-8d7f-43fb-af9f-4ce9d7c5e437/sh...
Don't run suppression bonus
main dock
use grenades to kill maulers and crushers
bitter turtle
It's literally the worst talent on vet tree
rancid shale
I found Joe Darktide's shovel. Pray for me guys.
torn root
supression bonus does next to nothing
main dock
With that build you are trying to suppress enemies
torn root
i think its the difference between 1 and 2 bullets ending some guys running
torn root
and suppresion gets bugged like every patch
pallid notch
My vet has little to nothing compared to my zely lol
rancid shale
supression bonus does next to nothing
I keep making threads on the Fatshark forums about adding a highlight effect on suppressed enemies when Vet uses that feat.
torn root
last patch some enemies just weren't getting supressed
bitter turtle
With that build you are trying to suppress enemies
Most enemies that u actually want to suppress can't be suppressed lol
Its just bad
quick steeple
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afe0221-8d7f-43fb-af9f-4ce9d7c5e437/sh...
ya this would feel a lot better @pallid notch .
can swap field improvision >> grenade tinkerer or that + grenadier to get serrated blade since you have mercykiller
torn root
I keep making threads on the Fatshark forums about adding a highlight effect on ...
i don't know about that, wont hurt tho
main dock
Don't need grenade tinkerer to kill the enemies you'll use grenades on
good for bosses though
bitter turtle
Imo you'll be much better served dropping points in some of those mediocre talents to dip into survivalist or onslaught
Born leader is also pretty terrible
raw steppe
ya this would feel a lot better <@1023319964674957413> .
can swap field improvi...
I'm like 90% sure kraks hit all BPs without tinkerer
quick steeple
good for bosses though
more for the extra aoe cause its great at making space
bitter turtle
Tinkerer only helps vs boss
torn root
i would at least get onslaught ngl
raw steppe
With your suggestions
pallid notch
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
cerulean void
with shredders its diff
*and smokes
raw steppe
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
Follow the vid
bitter turtle
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
For brauto?
Let.me make a tree since I didn't watch vid
torn root
*and smokes
STAHP THESE NEED TO BE REMOVED
bitter turtle
Feel free to follow it or nit
quick steeple
Let.me make a tree since I didn't watch vid
dont, its all over the place lol
raw steppe
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
Or you can use my tree
Pretty thoroughly tested in a5s
quick steeple
I'm like 90% sure kraks hit all BPs without tinkerer
woops im hungover thought it was shredder lmao
bitter turtle
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
Very generic tree for brauto
Stick the last point anywhere
tiny summit
you'll be missed vet
bitter turtle
If you want you can drop 1 pts to get a reload talent too
main dock
What is this onslaught ability you speak of?
bitter turtle
From demo team
raw steppe
I don't really agree with onslaught btw;
cerulean void
What is this onslaught ability you speak of?
bitter turtle
Just shovel for carapace u think?
raw steppe
you already have 95% ADM against flak with 10% rending from mid tree, and shooting crushers is just a waste of ammo
just grenade and melee yeah
bitter turtle
Idk I like having the option
Also I rather take shredder over krak
But ig if you take krak don't onslaught yeah
main dock
Krak grenade kills carapace, shovel ability is for when you're out of grenades
torn root
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afe0221-8d7f-43fb-af9f-4ce9d7c5e437/sh...
I just don't like Charaismatic [radius for coherency on you is nice? but meh imo], FireTeam [especially if the point is to support] [the value it gives is super low and easily matchable with a talent or two along the way], and Keep Their Heads Down [Just is buggy sometimes or has no effect at all, very low value when tested]
pallid notch
Thx guys for the help
raw steppe
charismatic is actually quite good lol
bitter turtle
raw steppe
from my testing
bitter turtle
If you want krak I would do this personally
bitter turtle
don't play MH
Lol
raw steppe
just looking at the tree you think it's bad, but from testing it's pretty strong
torn root
I don't really agree with onslaught btw;
any gun that shoots fast should be used with onslaught
main dock
Heads Down doesn't work on infested enemies, they're too mindless to fear bullets
cerulean void
charismatic is actually quite good lol
considering how broken* survivalist is, yeah charismatic is good 😄
*when compared to how bad the other two auras are
torn root
there is no reason not to take it if you can and want damage, unless you can't reach
serene sage
Do you have a wyverian print
I don't know what that is. i should probably wait before huting for parts huh
I just want the armor set man 😔
bitter turtle
Nah just play how you want
main dock
2% drop rate on rubies
bitter turtle
What weapon are you playing anyway
serene sage
considering how broken* survivalist is, yeah charismatic is good 😄
*when compa...
are we moving on to debating Charismatic now?
torn root
ive killed 12 Anja and no Plate
Rise or World?
bitter turtle
World
pallid notch
Lasgun recon and combat mk3
serene sage
What weapon are you playing anyway
Gunlance 
torn root
yuck
torn root
i love that world brought new players, just hate how much of the oldschool charm it lost
bitter turtle
Gunlance <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Keep in mind all 3 shells have different playstyles
cerulean void
are we moving on to debating Charismatic now?
smokes yday, charismatic today, keep their heads down tomorrow ❤️
serene sage
how could you tell
torn root
also dont want to redownload of pc
serene sage
Keep in mind all 3 shells have different playstyles
yeah, started wuith normal now I like wide
bitter turtle
Ye
serene sage
gunlance isn't that bad, I'm just trying to get the hang of the rest of the progression stuff
im doing okay in combat I think 😄
raw steppe
So am I going off the vid talent tree than I assume or no
here is my personal brauto tree fyi
bitter turtle
Wide guidance is very beginner friendly and safe
torn root
gunlance isn't that bad, I'm just trying to get the hang of the rest of the prog...
you missed when it was busted in world
cerulean void
can't wait for the upcoming hellgun to be nothing but monster damage and inaccuracy that makes keep their heads down busted AF
bitter turtle
here is my personal brauto tree fyi
That's basically what I did for krak tree lul
torn root
had a few patches of pure dominance wit speed runs
serene sage
you missed when it was busted in world
i got into it bc everyone is playing it rn lol
bitter turtle
Though you take determined over precision strikes?
tiny summit
suppression immunity for a brauto?
serene sage
weird resurgent
serene sage
suppression immunity for a brauto?
you never know
torn root
i got into it bc everyone is playing it rn lol
im still on rise because world dumbed down the combat
raw steppe
suppression immunity for a brauto?
you path for ammo and elite dmg
bitter turtle
Also wilds announcement
raw steppe
cuz the other talents are useless
serene sage
For 10 dollaroos
excuse you, $20 for Iceborn
torn root
a lot of ppl complained about rise difficulty because they went back to reducing iframes
serene sage
what do you think I am, poor?
bitter turtle
Works for melee too then
torn root
faster combat too
serene sage
i am
tiny summit
I mean...then why not just get weak spot dmg over suppression if you're just going for pathing
raw steppe
Ya but why not precision like so
brauto isn't a headshot weapon, precision gives u like 1.3% damage
on headshots
lol
bitter turtle
brauto isn't a headshot weapon, precision gives u like 1.3% damage
Works for melee
Which is big for meleea
I know it's crap for brauto
serene sage
where frag 😦
raw steppe
let me try it
bitter turtle
But ur melee benefits way more
zinc sundial
Did they make bosses spawn more often
torn root
brauto isn't a headshot weapon, precision gives u like 1.3% damage
yo? you not thinking?
bitter turtle
where frag 😦
They asked for krak lol
serene sage
They asked for krak lol
then do the right thing and tell them to take frag
torn root
free damage
bitter turtle
then do the right thing and tell them to take frag <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
Lol
I made a frag tree too
serene sage
wait, real quick about mh, for the gunlance, is wyrmstake a special kind of ammo or is it on a cooldown?
torn root
wait, real quick about mh, for the gunlance, is wyrmstake a special kind of ammo...
yuou need ammo from sling
bitter turtle
wait, real quick about mh, for the gunlance, is wyrmstake a special kind of ammo...
It reloads on a full reload
serene sage
Also I didn't mean to take comp urge wtf
it's fine, don't cry about it
bitter turtle
So like
torn root
oh im thinkig about the other thing
serene sage
no no, not the reload thing, the spike thing
torn root
the spike needs sling ammo
bitter turtle
Oh wait
torn root
its world lmao
serene sage
like hold RT and Y+B
serene sage
the spike needs sling ammo
so basically it's wyrmstake but load it with sling
raw steppe
Which is big for meleea
yar seems that +weakspot and -suppression works a bit better
thanks for the rec
bitter turtle
I don't think you need sling no? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing lol
bitter turtle
That stake doesn't need sling
It's just reloaded on a full reload
The wyvernfire shot is just on a cd
raw steppe
o
raw steppe
that was the first weapon i used
torn root
load to 1 min
raw steppe
and managing ammo
torn root
wyrmsteak blast takes sling ammo
raw steppe
was so fucking awful
torn root
as much as i didnt like arrekz back then
serene sage
okay so LT + Y+ B is Wyrmstake Canon which is CD based
RT + Y + B loads a special ammo that needs sling
raw steppe
and then i went down the dark path
raw steppe
of becoming a longsword user
bitter turtle
I just meant normal wyrmstake
serene sage
idfk
serene sage
i can't even find a wiki that lists the moves
raw steppe
of GS and SNS
torn root
the blast is a neccessity for gunlance ever since the nerf
your gameplay revolves around it
torn root
except on wide gl
torn root
it does the most on Long type
bitter turtle
Iw as only thinking of normal wyemstake
torn root
has the highest dps on normal
bitter turtle
Cause wide isnjust
raw steppe
I hate having rotations and shit so I also dislike GL lol
raw steppe
ye
bitter turtle
Repeat until brain melts
raw steppe
it's just a dps rotation
torn root
I hate having rotations and shit so I also dislike GL lol
dont disrespect the boom stick
its the one weapon they have always needed to keep nerfed