veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

Ye you need it

[gleaming turtle]

Just follow the instructions for that.

[umbral scaffold]

Mods r pretty good in Darktide
Even if you only pick the quality of life ones tbh

does the vortex installer work alright or will I have to manually install it

[gleaming turtle]

Then once it's installed, you will need to go to the mission hub, click on the icon, and hit R.

[umbral scaffold]

It works fine

[gleaming turtle]

That will save the mission.

[umbral scaffold]

Awesome

[gleaming turtle]

Vortex will work but make sure you are directing it to the right location.

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder if there are any clientside cosmetic mods for the game, sure would be a nice alternative to microtransactions

[gleaming turtle]

If you don't, it'll throw the files into appdata, I am pretty sure.

[umbral scaffold]

There's already mods that allow you to change your cosmetics on guns

[gleaming turtle]

Or %temp% or something.

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[gleaming turtle]

There are a huge number of mods.

[umbral scaffold]

Most important mod for me is removing that skull icon during pings

I have to manually do the darktide mod loader which is a prereq for the framework

🫡

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, Mod Loader is easy though

It's there to save you all sorts of time and how you customize the mods within the game.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh alright

Yknow what would be sick

is a mod that adds ad mech cosmetics

I play ad mech on tabletop and I think it would be dope if you could make your veteran look like a skitarii

[gleaming turtle]

Honestly, I think it's more likely we get an AdMech class before that.

[frank ether]

might aswell give us skitarii as a class

[gleaming turtle]

There was just finally added the first texture swap mod the other day, lol.

[umbral scaffold]

I would 100% drop veteran and just dedicate myself to skitarii if a class came out for that

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm?

I can see it happening eventually

[frank ether]

I'd also like to give it a go

[gleaming turtle]

I would as well.

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly with how well rogue trader did

[frank ether]

I mean I like my veteran but variety is cool

[gleaming turtle]

It's just a silly mod that was made a proof of concept

It turns the rock for the Ogryn into a piece of coal.

[umbral scaffold]

Won't surprise me if we see stronger stuff like Sororitas power armor or something

Makes sense, given christmas was like six days ago

Considering canon already has us fighting Beasts of Nurgle, and Daemonhost

Thats a good point

That's an unironic pretty serious threat

[frank ether]

Thats true, though canonically you're playing as the best of the best amongst the rejects

since you're the tiny fraction of them that actually survives

[umbral scaffold]

Space Marines wouldn't even be on the same power scale as a daemonhost tbh

Just lucky it's asleep most of the time 🙏

but I always kinda liked how darktide is from the perspective of a regular soldier in the 40k universe, seeing as msot 40k games feature the more powerful space marines

[umbral scaffold]

Oh ye that's fair

It's just more me musing on how people use the "it's too high power for Darktide"

When we already have demons running around

[frank ether]

Consider the winrate for that recent twins HM fight is like, probably well below %5

[umbral scaffold]

I think that regular gaurdsmen being able to kill a beast of nurgle is definite bending the cannon for the sake of gameplay

but I think its okay to bend cannon if it makes the game more fun

It's definitely a lot more abstract

But it's got the background of a story written by Abnett anyway

Abnett had a guardsman kill a chaos dreadnought before so

[vocal cipher]

i mean.. a regular guardsman could maybe kill a beast.... the question is would they survive too?

[frank ether]

I agree, but I also don't think we play as regular humans as I said, the ones that survive are outstanding individuals

since most players actually just die to those bosses lol

[umbral scaffold]

Great question

[umbral scaffold]

We're basically The Expendables main character tier by level 30, so pretty big lol

It's that weird line of "you're still expendable but you're one of the best of that lot so let's try not have you die until it's needed"

Otherwise we wouldn't have been pulled out ( ha) of the twins mission

[umbral scaffold]

Probably not, the only way I see a lore accurate gaurdsman taking down a beast is with a load of bombs strapped to his chest

[vocal cipher]

but he still killed it

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[frank ether]

I think past leveling you are no longer a reject, you're officially accepted member of the inquisition

[umbral scaffold]

Yup more or less

Lowest Tier of inquisitorial requisitioned staff arguably

[frank ether]

It would have been a cool story to tell if they didn't execute it so poorly

[umbral scaffold]

Are the twins any fun? I havent tried them at all yet

But probably part of the retinue he uses and disposes off constantly

Not even that weird

Inquisitor retinues are notoriously deadly

Since
Yeah

I think people really downplay what a guardsman can do. The guard is a massive organization and the disparity in skill and natural talent depends on the individual. There are individual guardsmen that are total badasses and survive whatever is thrown at them

[umbral scaffold]

They're okay

[frank ether]

well yeah

[umbral scaffold]

They're more like wow bosses with themed encounter designs

Which imo is very good

oh cool

[frank ether]

its pretty cool, difficulty felt right to me for HM fight

[umbral scaffold]

But also the mission is pretty fast so don't go into it expecting a whole dungeon

[frank ether]

I have some criticisms for the arena design but its fine

[umbral scaffold]

But it's got the right stuff in there

[umbral scaffold]

what does HM mean :P

[frank ether]

hardmode

[umbral scaffold]

Don't stand in the fire
Kite the bosses
Target priority

Etc

Ah gotcha

Only thing you don't have is a healer but
Y'know
Don't get hit

[frank ether]

Its very melee oriented is one issue

but I feel like thats rather a problem with executioner stance

and not the fight itself

[umbral scaffold]

Ish
Boss design just doesn't like melee
And the arena doesn't allow for trading ranged fire
Which is fineish

[frank ether]

nah melee is great for it

[umbral scaffold]

If the twin shields died to gunfire tho it'd be way too easy

So just a balancing act

[frank ether]

you get a ranged boss thats weaker to melee

and melee boss weaker to ranged

good design to me

you can still shoot rodin or melee rinda at the end of the day

its just more effective to do it the right way if your positioning allows

[umbral scaffold]

Melee boss isn't even that weak to ranged
He's just uhh
Very low threat unless you're solo

[frank ether]

I mean

[umbral scaffold]

Then he's going to stop you from doing anything for the rest of the game lol

[drowsy kayak]

is this worth unfucking or nah?

[frank ether]

rinda shield goes down incredibly fast

with the right gun

I can singlehandedly pop her shield

before rodin recovers

[terse idol]

imo no, but like,
Thunderstrike to Shred, Melee crit chance to cara?
Or maniac

[torpid sundial]

wow God actually gave me a decent gun

[raw steppe]

it's actually ok lol

swap both blessings

[torpid sundial]

maybe swap +1.5 stamina and stripped down

[raw steppe]

don't go cara

dclaw has absolutely awful adm numbers against cara

[drowsy kayak]

oh yeah no if I was gonna swap out I was planning on swapping the crit for maniac

was more asking if it was worth to trade out the blessings

[rapid hedge]

BRUH melk came in clutch for once! Should I ???

[gray belfry]

whats a good blessing to pair with dumdum t4 on columus iag?

[crisp rapids]

should i remove my relentless and my second 0.25sec stam regen delay points

to get the 5% extra crit chance?

agrip iag build

[junior needle]

2/4 scuffed at least and you want uncanny for sure

[crisp rapids]

i think its fire frenzy or raking fier

[junior needle]

Deathspitter gives power which is nice, I advise it over ff for that reason. Assuming ff doesn't just give power despite the description.

[sterile hull]

I'm trying to decide between three power swords and realise I can't find anywhere what numbers are actually behind the sunder blessing. Is it actually better than wrath? If so by how much?

Current sword is the 541 and the other two I am rolling 518. Do I just keep my current one or is there a case for one of the other two?

[junior needle]

Raking fire is meme tier unless you're running infiltrate as well

Sunder is a meta blessing because it lets your strikes continue after hitting bulwark shields and crushers

You want cycler 4 and either brutal or sunder. Brutal is better for clear than any other clear blessing because it lets you get first target damage on multiple targets provided you keep killing (on the heads).

Wrath and supercharge are redundant and slaughter/rampage are inferior to brutal for clear

[wanton dawn]

sunder increase cleave by 400%, increase target minimum treshold to 3 and ignore carapace/shield weapon stop

in other word, your weapon is not interrupted by bulwark shield

[sterile hull]

Ahh wow, that is way more than I was expecting, a clear winner then thank you both

[gray belfry]

ff is close damage not power

which kind of sucks since i just got t4 FF lmao

wait im a bot i just upgraded my braced one not normal

[crisp rapids]

:F:

graia braced is deadly

fory ourself

yourself :XD:

[gray belfry]

yeah i upgraded it thinking 'oh normal IAG'

wasnt paying attention lmao

[frank ether]

It kinda works now

still better off using it on zealot

[gray belfry]

yeah rather the normal one thoguh, just gotta get one with decent blessings so i can just throw dumdumt4 on it

[frank ether]

hmm

I kinda wanted to make a commissar meme build

with d.claw/laspis

but the lack of carapace damage is brutal

chsword would probably make it work methinks

bit of a self imposed challenge

it has to be a voc-focus mark setup

and use like stereotypical commissar weapons

[viscid marlin]

What site can you go to, to find weapon innate crit chance?

[barren cave]

So, lots of friendly fire too

[gray belfry]

to be fair new laspistols good from what i hear

[frank ether]

Oh I wish

[frank ledge]

https://youtu.be/Tuq8Rp5_z9w?si=XeQ82lI9_eBfHl-v

[frank ether]

exactly what I had in mind skfghd

I realized I'd really love a boltpistol

[frank ledge]

keep yelling boss! - Ogryn

I'd love a dual weapon, like las pistol and chainsword

where special is just shooting it

[frank ether]

I'd love that aswell

but I'll settle for just more weapons for now

the new braced revolver is uh

as close as it gets to what I want

[crisp rapids]

one handed weapons could be veyr good

but id say that the special is using the melee

like spamming M1s

with the weapon

[frank ether]

I mean vermintide had em no?

[crisp rapids]

the shooting was the special of a saltz weapno

on this game, with this much shooting,

imo it should be gun -> primary action
aim brace -> secondary
special -> swing

no block

[oblique belfry]

[crisp rapids]

just push

negative part of onehand on each weapon

[oblique belfry]

Block with rock-hard abs

[umbral scaffold]

I wish you could have a bayonet on any gun

[frank ether]

I actually disagree on this

[umbral scaffold]

Nothing will ever be as satisfying as shish kabobing a horde of enemies that thought they overran you

[frank ether]

I think a lot of helbore's character is the bayonet

also bayonet is uh.. well, rather busted with the right setup

it only gets a pass because its a helbore, its fine

[umbral scaffold]

I like the hellebore don’t get me wrong, love the noise it makes on a fully charged shot, but at the end of the day I like the standard tried and true infantry gun

[frank ether]

but can you imagine if I could slap a bayo on my ciag?

[umbral scaffold]

It would be glorious

I understand why the helbore has it though, it would be underpowered without it

[vivid current]

why are bayonets exlcusive to one weapon, lame.

[umbral scaffold]

It is pretty lame

[gusty bison]

Helbore? Underpowered? What

Its the best lasgun by a mile. Without the bayo

[frank ether]

I think laspis is still better

[umbral scaffold]

If it were lacking it’s bayoneted, the rate of fire just isn’t enough for close-semi mid range encounters

[untold mulch]

I wish I could add a Bayonet to all my guns

[gusty bison]

It has a high rate of fire though

[formal rock]

Am trying to make a build for a recon lasgun vet, just found out in the Meat Grinder that the Shock Trooper talent (crit hits consume no ammo) only works at 50% efficiency for the weapon. Recon lasgun always crits for two shots every proc, but the second hit still consumes ammo.
As if the recon lasgun wasn't weak enough already. Bleh.

[oblique belfry]

Plasma gun with bayonett

[umbral scaffold]

It doesn’t do good damage if you don’t charge it I thought

[gusty bison]

In fact helbore excels at those close range engagements

[gusty bison]

It full charges in 0.2s...

[umbral scaffold]

Because it has a bayonet

[gusty bison]

If ur using the Mk 2. And the Mk 1 and 3 dont need to full send vs most elites

[gusty bison]

Without the bayo

[umbral scaffold]

Dude I can’t spell Jesus Christ

[gusty bison]

Only the laspistol is better at point blank among the laser weapons

(As it should be)

[umbral scaffold]

It’s besides the point though, I still think it would be awesome to have the bayo on all guns

[gusty bison]

Bayo on a IAG would be busted

No ty

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not about the balance it’s about how cool it is man just imagine for a minute

[gusty bison]

Remember a bayo is effectively a 25% damage boost to the weapon

[gusty bison]

Not cool at all?

[umbral scaffold]

What’s not cool about bayonets?

[gusty bison]

A lot of guns look stupid with a bayo

Helbore looks good cos its the right style

[umbral scaffold]

I have never seen a bayonet that looks stupid

[gusty bison]

But a bayo on a revolver is just

Dumb

[frank ether]

hmm

[umbral scaffold]

Okay well obviously not on a sidearm

That would just be impractical anyways

[vivid current]

Laspistol is best weapon, yall suck and you compensate with bigger guns when they are not really required.

[frank ether]

do I slap infernus instead of speedload or change unarmored to crit/flak

[umbral scaffold]

But I’ve never seen a rifle that looked better without a bayonet

[gusty bison]

Change unarmored

[gusty bison]

Uh

A lot

[frank ether]

yeah I was thinking that aswell

but want confirmation

[frank ether]

I think crit chance is pretty good for laspis no?

feels like it does most of its damage on crits

[gusty bison]

Its solid ye

Plasma gun with a bayo is just... why

[vivid current]

We found the Plasma gun user.

[umbral scaffold]

I’m trust level 9 mate, I don’t even HAVE a plasma gun

[vivid current]

Then you don't even know what your talking about lmao.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

I don’t need to know everything about a game to think bayonets are cool

It’s a matter of personal taste

[formal rock]

IIRC it appears that FS was in the process of developing an attachment system for the ranged weapons, but for whatever reason cut it before the release, leading to silliness such as lasguns being one of the only weapons to have a flashlight yet no bayonet (despite having included a bayonet lug on the model itself).
Whether this means there's a chance the system could eventually be added in the future, we don't know. But I personally think the game suffers needlessly for it. I find it an arbitrary contrivance that only lasguns and some autopistols can bring flashlights to a lights out mission, for example.

[gusty bison]

They need to rebalance the bayo anyway

Atm its dummy OP

[umbral scaffold]

It’s fun as hell tho

[gusty bison]

Its overpowered

It can be fun without being OP

[umbral scaffold]

And it’s a coop horde shooter, so it’s not like you’re really hurting youre hurting another player’s experience using it

[gusty bison]

Actually... yes you can

[frank ether]

nah, its fine

[vivid current]

Forget about balance and 'wah wah, nobody would use x gun if they ALL could use it' bullshit. Call of Duty spoiled us all with unlimited gun customization. Games Workshop is also being cheap af with their IP and yes i agree it suffers tremendously but we as 40k Fans are coping the fact we support a shitty company.

[frank ether]

mk1-2 bayo is a bit too spammable which is silly

[gusty bison]

P12 Pinning fire ruines gaming experiences

[frank ether]

thats the only thing I find silly about bayo

[gusty bison]

Ye i would slow down the stab speed by a bit

[frank ether]

is like you can just spam spam spam on stabby bayo

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve never played with it in higher difficulty so I wouldn’t know if it needed a real rebalance, all enemies are squishy to melee on medium and easy

[frank ether]

just slow it down a tad

make it take some semblance of timing

[gusty bison]

It literally 2 shots ragers on thr highest difficulty

[frank ether]

bayo charge rly fun though dont touch that

[gusty bison]

Which is better than most melee weapons

[frank ether]

and then mk3 bayo is just... fine

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

[frank ether]

needs bromentum to even work

which is fine

I think thats perfectly ok

[vivid current]

waiting for gamesworkshop apologists or get a warning because I hurt a corp diaper wearing scumbags feelings.

[gusty bison]

But ye a bayo is basically knife heavies spammed at the speed of lights

[umbral scaffold]

Nobody is a gamesworkshop apologist

[gusty bison]

Which is stupid

[umbral scaffold]

I think everybody has gripes with the company

To some degree

[vivid current]

That poor guy who worked on Astartes.

[umbral scaffold]

But by god is it enjoyable

[vivid current]

his talent is wasted on some used toilet paper show.

wasted.

[umbral scaffold]

The dopamine rush I get when I sprint at an unsuspecting horde with a bayonet is like nothing else

[frank ether]

I just like how quickly it nukes specials in your face

[vivid current]

also my B, I thought this was general chat. I'm dippin.

[frank ether]

hb1-2 makes exec tolerable

[formal rock]

Indeed. To use the lights out example again, there's already a downside to using flashlights -- it pretty much instantly alerts any enemy you shine it on, no matter their distance from you. That's an interesting gameplay choice to make regarding the flashlight, not "oh it's a lights out mission, I guess I have to bring a lasgun or an autopistol if I want to see beyond 2 metres in front of me."

[frank ether]

which tells me if swapping to melee didn't cancel exec maybe some ppl would go back to it

[gusty bison]

Nukes everything lel

[frank ether]

I mean

I'm a chainaxe enjoyer

anything short of carapace is one light rev to kill

[umbral scaffold]

Wait so how does the bayo hurt your teammates

[vivid current]

There is also zero training on how It alerts Demon Hosts.

[gusty bison]

An overpowered weapon trivializing parts of the game is oft unfun to play with

[vivid current]

Don't think I'm spoiling shit and I doubt anybody wants to waste 30mins wiping for something simple.

[gusty bison]

See P12 pinning fire vet

There was a LOT of complaints then

[wanton dawn]

I mean... hellbore bayonet is overpowered now ?

[gusty bison]

Bayo isnt quite that ridiculous

But its pretty ridiculous

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a melee weapon though, it’s not like you’re stealing that many kills by using it

[frank ether]

I turn on my flashlight because I like to spite the AI director

[vivid current]

you can take out 20-25% of a monstrocities HP if you get weakspot hits with the right build.

Its gross.

[wanton dawn]

I know, so what ?

[gusty bison]

Early release powersword was a melee weapon that deffo needed nerfs

[frank ether]

didnt they patch out limbsplitter

[umbral scaffold]

I turn on my flashlight because some dev had to program it and I wanna show appreciation

[shut vector]

can you link that build cause i wanna try it

[vivid current]

I'm not good enough so I don't have it.

[frank ether]

I guess agile still works but its not gonna replace %60 power with %100 uptime

[gusty bison]

Mk 1 and 2 bayo should be slowed down 25% i feel

[wanton dawn]

Also this is no longer the case since limbsplitter fix. Still good though

[vivid current]

I'm not a spreadsheed 3inch thick glasses nerd.

[formal rock]

Considering how the talent and blessing descriptions are still inconsistent, misleading, or flat-out incorrect in so many places despite multiple patches and changes to said blessings... I honestly don't know what the heck is going on over in that studio. Apparently Vermintide suffered from the same issue, which only makes it more strange as to how FS has such a problem with it.

[frank ether]

bayo is still good but what you're talking about doesnt happen anymore

limbsplitter no longer works on bayonet

[vivid current]

with a thinning hairline and no jaw.

[gusty bison]

Atm bayo being better than the knife at... knifing. Is a bit silly

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[frank ether]

Idk

[umbral scaffold]

Do a face reveal then

[frank ether]

its attached to a pretty long stick, makes sense to me

what is a helbore if not a spear

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a long range knife

[shut vector]

fatshark seems to have a lot of issues with having consistent design decisions across the board, when the game released half the blessings seemed to be designed to be minor improvements while others just straight up doubled the damage on the gun, its like they couldn't decide on if gear was going to play a minor or major role

[gusty bison]

Yea but that should slow down its attack speed no?

Like i dont mind how hard it hits

But its attack speed is like knife light spam

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not like the helbore weighs a whole ton I don’t think

[gusty bison]

... it weighs more than most two handed bastard swords

[frank ether]

maybe a little recovery time between attacks for sanity sake, but I don't think its as bad as you make it out to be either

[vivid current]

Asnwer is money, fatshark is a small team. If it wasn't for Vermintide I would never have purchased the game because of how badly they botched every other IP I played from them.

[gusty bison]

Ye ergo 25% attack speed reduction

[umbral scaffold]

How did you come to that conclusion

[gusty bison]

Bastard swords are only around 3 to 5 kg tops

The helbore is a rifle

[frank ledge]

I think the helbore would be a more suvcesful club

[gusty bison]

With wooden finishings

[frank ledge]

With it's canonical weight

[gusty bison]

Thats easily 5kg+ minimum before the bayo

Canonically its something like 7kg

[umbral scaffold]

I see

[gusty bison]

Guns are heavy compared to swords

[frank ether]

to be fair you move incredibly slow with a helbore

[gusty bison]

Cos they arent meant to be swung around

[frank ledge]

Just flip it around and hit people with it

[frank ether]

by the time you're in bayonet range a knife build would have cleared half the fight already

[gusty bison]

*Ran past half the fight

[frank ether]

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I think if you are at the point where you need to swing your gun to survive you’re better off just laying down and accepting it

[frank ether]

smh zealots

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-plasteel-piece-gif-27301578

[gusty bison]

The joke of the helbore bayo is atm you almost never ssitch off of it

Only crushers and maulers require u to switch off

Otherwise its better than a regular melee weapon vs... everything else

[umbral scaffold]

Might be an uneducated opinion but I tried zealot and it just kinda felt like melee veteran, when does it get different?

[frank ether]

It almost feels like a bandaid to exec for me

[gusty bison]

Zealot is more durable

Thats the main thing about zealot

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I gotcha

[gusty bison]

Exec needs some help

[shut vector]

when you become a tornado that crits everything and then starts screaming while golden light heals your team

slightly different to the vet experience of just shooting everything

[vivid current]

Guns are pretty heavy, swords and most blades are 3-5/1.5+kg. A sandard issue AK47 is 7.7 pounds or 3.4 Kg for those who don't read stupid.

Power sword definately has some meat on it. Its thicker than a machete with power rods going up and down the blade, likely a powerful battery in the handle/crossguard.

[gusty bison]

Id like to point out vet kinda does this too xD

[frank ledge]

Exec needs to be replaced

[frank ether]

I think it needs like a soft rework at this point

[vivid current]

The fact a vet can swing that shit multiple times and not be a little tired is training, a ogryn could swing that shit all day but would be too dumb or fingers too fat to flip the switch.🤣

[frank ledge]

We can't have abilities that require having the weapon out that end on switch

[frank ether]

I only take it for breakpoints on helbore and even then I hate that I have to rely on exec for it

[frank ledge]

Replace exec stance with veteran deploying a heavy stubber emplacement out of his backpocket

[frank ether]

I would be 100000x happier if they deleted exec and just gave me flat damage as a blitz, this is how much I hate exec

[umbral scaffold]

Ogryn look like they would be fun to play but it’s annoying as shit when they eat all your shots

[shut vector]

i would strongly recommend not thinking about logistics in 40k when you realise that a bolter should probably weigh like 100kg with all 120 rounds in tow

[frank ledge]

A bolter is a blunt instrument

[umbral scaffold]

Space marine stronk space marine hold bolter no problem

[frank ether]

hmm

I'm too broke to roll another one

the other perk was like sprint and infernus had the suppression meme blessing

I think this will be fine

[frank ledge]

High mobility is great

speed pistol

[frank ether]

not that bad of a roll overall

dont think stability matters on laspis

[vivid current]

Not a fan of the heavy pistol.

[gray belfry]

gotta get one to try out at some stage

[vivid current]

shoots too slow, doesn't really make the same impact either like a Stubber or fast as a autogun to deal with hordes.

[gusty bison]

Its a critfish headshot gun

[frank ether]

Its ok I'll take yours and dual wield them

old laspis still feels amazing to me

[gusty bison]

The main thing about the laspistol is its a high rof weapon with very good elite BPs

[formal rock]

It's a bit strange that visually, FS opted for the Astartes pattern for the power swords, despite the fact that IG/munitorum power swords already exist in the lore and they are invariably some form of falchion or cavalry sabre. I'm guessing it was to distinguish them from the psyker's dueling swords, but I wish they hadn't done it, just because they frankly look a tad silly. They've got that Skyrim-style metal paddle look.

[frank ether]

new one I'll have to try more

[vivid current]

you can do that with a normal las and its just as good, with twice as much ammo.

[frank ether]

bit of a slowpoke

but it also hits harder so I guess I gotta gitgud

[gusty bison]

Normal las shoots slower and has terrible stability

On top of dogshit close range performanxe

Infantry lasgun is pretty meh atm

[frank ether]

normal las is rather meh

not the worst but

eh

[vivid current]

that is what my powersword is for, and with the right perks you want to increase damage output, slower fire shots missed/vs shots hit matter.

[gusty bison]

Except the lasgun and laspistol have similar breakpoibts

[frank ether]

Well if I wanted to pace my shots I'd grab a helbore is the thing

[gusty bison]

So higher rof is just better

[vivid current]

If Plasma boys miss 3/5 of their shots. IS the gun too slow or do too little damage?

[vivid bolt]

It’s more a skissue

[gusty bison]

Not to mention the lasgun has worse bps up close

[frank ether]

just not for me

anyways time to give this a shot

I got a pretty meme build

[frank ledge]

Look at all the fake vets in chat, a true vet only uses a ranged or a melee weapon and dies to a bunch of pox walkers

[frank ether]

fireteam aura

focus mark

[gusty bison]

MY FACE IS MY SHIELD

[shut vector]

REAL veteran mains are brutally killed by a chaos spawn a full 2 years before they were added to the game 💯 💯 fr fr

[vivid current]

My issue with the heavy las. Poor performance with hordes and larger species, When youb have a with perks 25% chance to crit on all your shots, that means you want to get more shots out. not less. why use addition when you can be doing multipication. Crits also do a LOT more damage than people seem to think.

Even if my shot doesn't kill on the first 3 shots, the next two or three doesn't give the oppertunity for a hit to be made against me, heavy las does.

[gusty bison]

Heavy las? The helbore?

[sharp ember]

real vets take one step into the mission and inhale one plague spore and turn into a poxwalker

[vivid current]

The pistol.

[gusty bison]

The main thing abiit the heavy laspistol is it oneshots anything short of a rager

[vivid current]

Helbore to me is useless, its a relic for pot smoking creig enjoyers.

[frank ledge]

Why are you shooting at hordes

[gusty bison]

Helbore is batshit insane good lmao

[frank ledge]

It isn't autopistol, ur not suposed to inhale ammo

[gusty bison]

Yea if ur shooting poxwalkers with any gun consistently ur trolling the team

Melee is so much better vs hordes

[vivid current]

I forget the perk, but you gain a 25% damage bonus when switching weapons for 5 sec on kill. Rinse repease with power sword. I play Auric casually with that build.

[gusty bison]

Oh pfft. Thats amazing with laspistol lol

[vivid current]

getting damage out quick and swapping weapons quick is just gameplay, you don't need a big weapon.

[gusty bison]

Why are u using a regular lasgun withh that

Laspistol is better

[vivid current]

I mean las pistol, I was saying las-gun interchangably. my bad.

[gusty bison]

Also side note helbore is batshit insane good with that perk

[gusty bison]

Both laspistols are about as good with that perk cos u only need one shot

Iirc

[vivid current]

I never tried it with Helbore, I don't like the stress of missing my shot after a full charge and losing my periferal vision when aiming down sights.

[gusty bison]

Mk 2 go brr

Mk 2 helbore shootd insanely fast

[frank ledge]

mk2 is just like waiting a bit for surgical to proc on a hh

only faster

[vivid current]

I guess for me that is a skill issue, but a 14 year old on engery drinks no more like most who are on here 24/7

[frank ledge]

[gusty bison]

While having the second best stability in the game

Id say the helbore is more of a mindset thing

People think its more of a precision sniper than it really is

[vivid current]

Helbore is in the game, dead ass because Deathcore of Kreig makes up a quarter of the tabletop fanbse.

nothing else.

its just convient its really good

[gusty bison]

Its alsona great gun

And offers an interesting playstyle

The regular iLas though

It needs some help

[frank ledge]

Helbore is the gun for the vet that dances in what Rogue trader calls "flanks", you are in melee, but you SMELL the smelly rear of specials before they come, then you are on shooting duty for a while

If helbore was for the Cringe they'd have added a paint patern for them and a shovel stock version

[vivid current]

I would still prefer to shoot a 60 cal ball out of a Martini but that isnt economical in 40k.

[frank ledge]

Plasma

[oblique belfry]

If only veteran had a stubber like weapon.. or a ripper one

[gusty bison]

Braced autogun?

Ripper is just a shotgun

[vivid current]

'Greedy player who is gonna miss half their shots, and complain when they go down.' Plasma

[gusty bison]

Anyone who misses shots consistently on plasma has a skill issur

Its the easiest gun in the game to aim

[vivid current]

Its in the same vain as Zealot stealth builds. Their great but when they go into stealth, the entire horde attacks your team lol

If your killing shit, cool. If your doing it to find items and sprint like sonic then that needs to take a piss.

[oblique belfry]

But full auto

[gusty bison]

Burst fire but fair

[vivid current]

auto gun is gross and I love it.

[oblique belfry]

It just don't feel the same y'know ?

The stubber has some powerful sounds behind it

[gusty bison]

Cos you dont crawl along at 5 inches per second?

:P

[oblique belfry]

Achlys my beloved

[vivid current]

what is that god awful vet perk where you are more accurate kneeling down

[gusty bison]

Uh what?

Doesnt exist?

The closest is camoflague expert which lets u generate marksman focus charges by crouch walking or standing still

[untold mulch]

crab walk design

[vivid current]

yep, thats it.

never seen anybody crouch ever.

did it once, felt dumb and never did it again.

[oblique belfry]

I often crouch when using ranged weps

[gusty bison]

Looks at zealots

[oblique belfry]

Luv accuracy

[gusty bison]

Fun fact, sliding counts as crouching

[oblique belfry]

And God it is needed for stubbers

Unless you shoot into a horde in which case..

Bullet spread good

[vivid current]

in the developer video when they were discussing the games mechanics, being behind debree, barrels, walls, actually effects the accuracy and lowers supression when being shot. There is zero mechanical reason to crouch other than dodge slide.

I have jumped over sniper fire, feels weird when it works.

[gusty bison]

Crouch reduces spread and recoil on some guns

Gun dependent of course

If u crouch with a HB ur an idiot for instance

[oblique belfry]

On it 🫡

[vivid current]

It just doesn't do anything for me. I have to readjust my sights to crouch, can't be at level with another head that needs to be brained for my next shot. I prefer a weapon where I can control my aim with a glance, transitions with my depth perception well.

[formal rock]

I assume you mean "crouch in the open?" Because you have to crouch to get behind certain cover (like sandbags), and it definitely stops the enemy from hitting you in my experience...

[vivid current]

unless I'm shooting something 50+ meters away, sure. Most enemies in darktide don't even have a hallway that long

not me taking a shot at level design, but its true.

[gusty bison]

The IAGs are good examples of guns that want some crouching worked into your standard routine

[vivid current]

worked into my routine?

[gusty bison]

Their dps skyrockets when u do so

[vivid current]

fuck that.

I don't have enough time in my routine to shit let alone kneel down to shoot.

[gusty bison]

A columnus IAG 5 round burst will bean a rager at 25m if ur crouched

[vivid current]

I use a focus fire build.

most guns are too over the top and I give up too many perks using a larger weapon as stated above.

[gusty bison]

The IAG has a 2.7x finesse mult.

So getting consistent headshots blows its dps out the water

Like

6k?

6k

[vivid current]

I'm not disagreeing. Most things that might need a larger weapon, I use crack grenades. Snipers are for pistol/elites and most if not the rest I use power sword on if they get too close for my pistol.

For twins hard mode, only thing I switched was my my chain sword instead of power, because of the bleed stacks and apparently it crits on their shields.

[gusty bison]

Twins is a weird skew mode

A lot of stuff that is great normally is garbage vs twins

[vivid current]

Chain sword is just god like against bosses.

[gusty bison]

Its ok

[vivid current]

I can 1 shot a crusher with a crit head shot. If it doesn't, bleed stacks do the rest.

[gusty bison]

A lot of things 1 shot crushers

[vivid current]

a melee weapon for vet?

[gusty bison]

Yes

Mk 3 shovel

Does it in half the time

[vivid current]

Ok but that is new and most don't have the luck to build multiple weapons perfectly, especially new ones.

Its not that hard, but you still gotta have the right perks.

[gusty bison]

Psword 6 is a 2 shot but the 2 swings come out faster than the chainsword rev

Chain Axe as well exists

Combat axe as well is a 3-4 shot

[frank ether]

I dont rly understand chainsword

chainaxe I get

but chainsword confuses me

what does it do that psword doesnt do better

maybe a krill issue

[gray belfry]

think of a psword that doesnt need to be charged

[strange sparrow]

Psword give brain rot

Unironically, it just block out core part of blocking+melee dancing

It stun Rager/Mauler and everything that isn’t a boss

Also Psword play style not really fun, charge and kill 6+ dudes

[gray belfry]

plus decent enough single target with the rev, although i dont use it enough

[strange sparrow]

Rince and repeat

[gray belfry]

the new chainsword only difference is the overhead as the first heavy right?

[strange sparrow]

Yea

[calm wren]

Would anyone know what the dump stat for a plasma gun is?

[umbral scaffold]

I'd dump charge rate or heat resistance depending on your play style

need damage, stopping power, and ammo
but some people don't charge their plasma guns, and some people don't mind venting constantly

[low yacht]

Is this the relevant place to show my veteran off and what I got?

At least on my veteran class.

[umbral scaffold]

should be good here yes

[low yacht]

Wanted to post my Valhallan here.

The new set blends together so well.

The hat is separate from the set but it matches.

[umbral scaffold]

looks ogod

That's part of the new set right?

[low yacht]

Yes.

There was a different hat with the new set but the hat was included to match if you didn't want that option.

Separately.

[glossy swallow]

Erm, lil question here

How would ya'll BLESS your Revolvers? Do you do the same or change a bit.
(For example)
The "Fan the Hammer" Revolver
Perks

• Dmg vs Maniacs
• Dmg vs Carapace OR Flak
  Blessings
• Crucian Roulette (+4.5-6% Critical Chance for each expended round in your weapon (resets on reload).
• Hand-Cannon (+30-60% Rending on Critical Hit.)

Would ya'll do the same for the OG Revolver? Thanks

Also, is VS Flak better or VS Carapace better for the Bolter? 🤔

Happy New Year!

[odd sparrow]

would do the same on both revolvers. although surgical is really good on the slower revolver as well

flak is better for bolter because hitting the 1shot gunner in head BP is super important

[brisk palm]

The MK4 Chain axe buff has made it one of my favorite across Vet and Zeal

[strange sparrow]

Mael Auric becoming dull

Man even Sniper Gautlet with Ventilation Purge doesn't give any feeling

[brisk palm]

Time to run it with no talents and blues then..

[barren cave]

what perks on rashad for vet

[wintry bay]

TIL 77%damage on mk1 helbore is 12 damage away from 1shotting dreg gunners.

yay

[glossy swallow]

Thank you.

When would you use Carapace instead of Flak? Does the Revolver need Flak, or does it have enough base damage and penetration?

[regal belfry]

what do you think about devil claw mk4 or the new combat dagger for vet

[lofty lintel]

Dclaw mk4 is one of the best melees for every class and new combat knife is ok

[regal belfry]

i like the parry but must get better at the timing

by psyker and zealot i like the clas specific meele weapons but not so much by vet

so i wanted a general one by vet the new chainsword is interesting aswell

[lofty lintel]

Whatever you wanna use

[crystal sable]

volley fire :D

forgot how good of an ability it is

[thick rose]

worth some melk bucks? don't think ive ever used knife on vet... no idea what it needs

[lofty lintel]

No

That sucks

[crystal sable]

yeah, that is tragic

melk got this for me
any good?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

Thats a 3/4

God roll

[crystal sable]

oh kick ass

[lofty lintel]

Gg

[crystal sable]

gotta grind some bucks then :D

[lofty lintel]

Yeah if you didnt grab that itd be tragic

[terse idol]

Mobi at 38 will hurt but eh

Good gooood

[celest flax]

comrade veteran

[crystal sable]

im rocking this rn
love the ushanka to bits

[lofty lintel]

LMAO

9 plasteel

Yeah

Me too bro

[terse idol]

Damn that slaps

[placid portal]

wait new cosmetic?

[terse idol]

Yeah its the winter gear stuff

[placid portal]

cool

[terse idol]

And uh, crappy expensive reskin for ogryn

[placid portal]

Not that weird moon pener thing

right?

[lofty lintel]

Veteran has the only good looking set from the new cosmetics

[terse idol]

Moon pener?

[lofty lintel]

Honestly

[placid portal]

The funny Toilet Helmet Psyker

[terse idol]

Oooh

[lofty lintel]

Zealots one looks like a pijama with leather shoulderpads which is disgusting

[terse idol]

I mean its the winter version of it

[shadow aurora]

Toilet for the psyker and toilet paper for the zealot

[lofty lintel]

Psyker looks like a space toilet and ogryn is an overpriced reskin

[terse idol]

I think zealots body is fine

From the back

Cause you got little flappy bits

[lofty lintel]

Veteran is a chad valhallan.

[umbral scaffold]

The God Emperor has mercy!

[lofty lintel]

Rush b

[placid portal]

a fine roll

[shadow aurora]

Could you translate

[terse idol]

Oh dang that's good

[placid portal]

Dunno what it is but seems good enough

[umbral scaffold]

+8 dmg specialist

[placid portal]

You can even swap death spitter to make it interchangeable for Raking fire but that's personal choice

[lofty lintel]

No

[umbral scaffold]

Damdam and +6,5 power by kill on melee distanse

[lofty lintel]

Swapping specialist dmg is the move

[placid portal]

Feh do be like that

[lofty lintel]

Flakiac and leave the blessings as they are

[terse idol]

You want to keep dum dum

[placid portal]

Just roll another for that I guess

[crystal sable]

skibidi psyker

executed for heresy on the spot

[shadow aurora]

As he should be

[torpid sundial]

wheeew

[thick rose]

what perks on 1a las?

[gusty bison]

Flak Maniac

[torpid sundial]

sprint efficienty to flak, sustained fire to surgical?

[lofty lintel]

Yep

Congrats on the roll

[torpid sundial]

thanks!

except finding surgical has already took me over 2k plasteel

I hope I can find it soon...

[umbral scaffold]

happens

[lofty lintel]

Good luck

[umbral scaffold]

at least you got it now

or well
hopefully you get it soon 🙏

[dusty sluice]

got this as a eg lmao

[orchid hollow]

uuge

[barren cave]

what blessings on mk7 sapper shovel for vet?

[wet elk]

i saved my starting spoon

might fully upgrade it

[lusty steppe]

why tho?

[tiny summit]

Just to feel something

[lusty steppe]

mood

[crystal sable]

bag secured

[tiny summit]

Damn look at that dmg gap and this isn't max

[wet elk]

this is the emperor's spoon

[abstract jewel]

god dam

[low oar]

Does the emperor also have a full cutlery set?

What's the emperor's spork?

Does he differentiate the types of spoons? Like a dessert spoon is way different than a soup spoon

[cosmic crag]

aware of the distinction but does not apply it

[low oar]

Uncultured.

[cosmic crag]

allows for the masses to believe they are imperial quality stock

[woven coral]

is krak grenade +50% damage talent worth it?

or does the base one always one shot crushers anyway

[low oar]

Base one shots

Not sure on a blessed crusher though but probably not

It's just more boss damage effectively

So not the highest proprity

[woven coral]

thanks for info appreciate it

[pliant rain]

i hate the Power sword being so good that i feel bad bringing another melee for a less smooth run xD

[umbral scaffold]

Gamers, question

Does tactical awareness proc its cooldown reduction if other people kill the special?

I don't run it often, so I never stopped to check

[white minnow]

only kills that you make

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[signal mango]

Everyone says Columnus is best autogun.
Is there a favored Helbore?

[lofty lintel]

No

Mk1 and mk2 have the best bayonet but thats it

All preference

[umbral scaffold]

found this and hadron didnt troll me. id say to switch the range crit to maniacs ye?

[lofty lintel]

There is one thats king dps wise but its within margin of error with the other 2 helbores

[lofty lintel]

Yeah and u can swap dmg vs elites to unyielding/carapace OR swap volatile for gets hot

[signal mango]

Mk1/2 are the ONLY ones with bayonet?
The other is a bash isn't it?

[lofty lintel]

All 3 have bayonets but the mk1 and 2 have the best attack pattern/dmg

Mk3 bayonet is an overhead strikedown which does worse dmg than the mk1 and mk2 which are straightforward stabs

[umbral scaffold]

well i was going to switch to ets hot but wasnt sure which perk to switch

[lofty lintel]

Swap crit chance yes

Because youre gonna run gets hot

Itd be overkill

[umbral scaffold]

[lofty lintel]

Congrats on the roll

[dusty sluice]

whats the combos for the mk3 shovel?

[umbral scaffold]

thats my 3rd plasma

xd

[lofty lintel]

L1 H1

For horde clear

[umbral scaffold]

and only one with decent thermal res

[lofty lintel]

Or h1 light 1 i dont remember

One of those 2

[dusty sluice]

time to get a gets hot

cara flak or unyeilding?

[civic terrace]

this is mine

[lofty lintel]

Plasma likes all of those 3 options

Go in the psykhanium and look for a breakpoint youd like to hit

[dusty sluice]

ill probably go for unyeilding

[lofty lintel]

All 3 are viable perk options

Sure

I also run unyielding

[civic terrace]

mine body shots flamers with just redirect fire stacks

[dusty sluice]

also this is usable right?

[lofty lintel]

Holy

[golden nacelle]

what to change?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

Just swap stamina and headhunter

[dusty sluice]

you can get a 550 there

[golden nacelle]

yep!

[dusty sluice]

nicee

[lofty lintel]

Swap limbsplitter and dmg vs groaners to brutal momentum and flak

And its a god roll

[golden nacelle]

perk to flak i know

[dusty sluice]

what should i put, unarmoured, flak, or maniac?

[golden nacelle]

brutal momentum, sweet

[lofty lintel]

I use flak

Headhunter for deadly accurate

[dusty sluice]

hadron has now fucked me over

[umbral scaffold]

trolled

[dusty sluice]

after getting smth good

[lofty lintel]

Rip

Wellllll

Depends on last blessing

[umbral scaffold]

[lofty lintel]

If last blessing is good its salvageable but idk if id risk the plasteel

[dusty sluice]

broke

[umbral scaffold]

brotha starving

nothing a few auric runs won't fix

get to grinding

• fatshark

[lofty lintel]

Every chance i get to shit on the crafting system i will take it

[umbral scaffold]

as you should

Same

[lofty lintel]

Its so unbelievably bad

[umbral scaffold]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/M6WgkbXFHjwAAAAd/casino-oldpeople.gif

It's amusing to me that they somehow made the Vermintide 2 crafting system EVEN WORSE

and I spent 30 minutes on that shit rerolling for critical strike on one weapon a few years back

[dusty sluice]

i just did a few and can't be bothered to do anymore :(

[lofty lintel]

No need for artificial replayability

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark going "MMm yes you know 30 minutes is too short a time"

"We need to make it 300 hours to get one good piece of equipment"

"with several layers of rng"

[lofty lintel]

Fatshark needs to have trust in their own game

[terse idol]

Well to be fair

Just gotta get 1 red

Which yeah still bad

[lofty lintel]

They dont need to make a shitty crafting system and a fomo shop to make people play the game

But theyre so stupid

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1190098990260293685/caption-12-1-1.gif?ex=65a0910e&is=658e1c0e&hm=29bc888aee43eb6bb445676a5cbfbdc4a9e839742eb8c0e4f3712e8d87c59204&

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[lofty lintel]

I love this game but some things they did it looks like their target audience were dogs

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like sweating today

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1021572340468957246/1045426568740216952/Image.gif

[lofty lintel]

No keystone..?

[umbral scaffold]

No keystone, only raw unfiltered pain

[fossil basalt]

Sweat more by getting a duck n dive build with a stripped down gun 😄

[lofty lintel]

That is cursed

I respect it

If it works it works

[umbral scaffold]

Actually let me see if I need the melee damage to do the power sword funny

Oh well, I need it

Althooough

I think I can get away with carapace on it

[jaunty sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-fortnite-jonesy-peely-unemployed-gif-8931125528658473756

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck it, I'm leaving it with no keystones

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bed-deflate-gif-4485064855593108883

[umbral scaffold]

right
but nah they gottta artificially mess things up

😔

[fossil basalt]

I've discovered that in the similar builds I like to run, getting Iron Will alone makes up for a lack of keystones, it's just that busted

[umbral scaffold]

The idea was honestly that I don't really feel like any keystone I'd want would outweigh the gains I have from those

I need iron will, but I also need elites damage and I absolutely want that melee stuff on the right

Well, "need" iron will

I want to just be a little shit

200+ toughness, iron will and VOC just to drive the point home

[tall torrent]

What’s your whole build

[wraith locust]

If you drop the revive you can get the melee keystone

Which is insanely good

[tall torrent]

I feel like u could drop the VoC revive for weapon specialist

[tiny summit]

Yea but have you considered...people are playing and spending money?

Yes I agree I (most others too) don't like it.

[tiny summit]

VoC revive would be nice if the added CD was only when it rezzed

[wraith locust]

That would be nice but also incredibly busted lol

[fossil basalt]

Loves me some overwatch, don't leave home without it

Now that's a worthy CDR

A whole second charge? Sign me up

[signal mango]

Trying OnOverwatch (PUGs only):
GameDirector always spawns bruiser behind me when I ADS:
Is there a favored BracedAutogun?
(I guess the biggest damage is Ag VIII)

[fossil basalt]

Agrip is considered top shelf rn, columnus is pretty much the IAG but you get a collateral stat

And we don't talk about Graia

[tall torrent]

You can do On Overwatch in Karnak special assignment

Both On Overwatch and MESC can be done there pretty easily

[pulsar shore]

So many questions without answers, 259 lvl vet btw

[glossy swallow]

Does anyone have a good explanation of how "Toughness Regeneration Speed" works?

It's the speed itself of how fast I go from 0-100? But also the delay between losing all my toughness and getting it back with coherency?

So I guess my questions are.

What is the time/delay from where I start regening my toughness & also does the toughness regeneration curio's help reduce that?

How much would I need to see a good impact? 30% - 60% - 90% - 100%+?

And how does coherency work? Will I get coherency while i'm fighting or will I not?
Will I get coherency regen if i'm getting shot at? Or will I not?

Thanks

[tall torrent]

Coherency toughness regen gets paused for a bit after u take damage

[umbral scaffold]

guess who died to 5 brusters cus game dicided i didnt press my ability

[glossy swallow]

And does the Toughness Regen Speed help making me get it back faster? What are the like times and numbers for it? How many seconds we talkin?

[kind otter]

Yeah it's not great on vet if you got toughness regen at start of tree. The regen isn't small but you won't see it's full effect very often

[terse idol]

You will not gain toughness regen when you're in melee or taking damage at ranged

[white minnow]

yeah toughness regen speed improves both the rate and decreases the delay

it increases the rate (7.5 toughness/s base) but i don't know how the math works out for the delay

[kind otter]

Makes more sense on zealot to regen while no enemies in melee range

[tall torrent]

That one helps coherency toughness regen only, which will get paused in melee combat when you get hit

Don’t rely on that one too much

[glossy swallow]

Gotcha. Let's say i'm hiding behind a wall and there's a whole firing squad ganing up on me. Does the suppression stop the regen from happening, or am I able to regen between hits if they don't shoot me all the time?

[terse idol]

Because I ran 3 toughness regen as far as I know no

If youre in cover and have no enemies in melee and don't take damage it will eventually kick it

[tall torrent]

I think suppression itself doesn’t pause regen, but you’ll probably get hit in reality, so you wouldn’t have the regen up for the most part

Just don’t rely on coherency regen too much imo

[thin yoke]

Can someone please point me to the closest thing to the pre-tree meta vet who can oneshot all the gunners mowing down the team but won't get folded in half by the first groaner that gets let through? I'm done hoping someone else on the team can pitch in with the ranged enemies.

[tall torrent]

Coherency rn is mostly for aura and other talent effects

[glossy swallow]

Would you say that the 3 toughness regen is worth it overall?

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[umbral scaffold]

revolver

[tall torrent]

There’re just way better picks for curio perks

[flint garden]

run stam regen instead

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen
Block efficiency
Gunner resist
Sniper resist
Ally revive speed
Ability cooldown
Extra toughness
Extra health

[glossy swallow]

The gunner resistance for example?

Is that like only the big machine gune fellas or also the small shootaz

[terse idol]

No, just run gunner res

Like

[tall torrent]

One thing abt specific enemy resistance
Those work in multiplication, so you get diminishing returns the more you stack of them

[tall torrent]

Only machine gunners (that you can tag)

[terse idol]

Its just better to slow down the damage heavy gunners do to you

[flint garden]

doesnt it also count reapers

[terse idol]

Uhhh

[tall torrent]

I think it does

[terse idol]

Like think about it this way

[glossy swallow]

I hate curios 😩

[terse idol]

Why have your toughness regen faster

[umbral scaffold]

You're using a talent point on it anyway
it's a decent trade

[terse idol]

While you could just

[glossy swallow]

just make me a space marine foo

[terse idol]

Make it so you don't blow your toughness away in the first place

Also because kills in melee give you toughness back

Melee kills even

[tall torrent]

The diminishing return aspect is like
One gunner resist is x0.8
Two of them is x0.64 (instead of x0.6)
And three of them is x0.512 (instead of x0.4)

So if you’re gonna get gunner resist, two is about as high as you should go

[glossy swallow]

But if I don't have ammo (interesting situation, but has happened) my whole team is dead and there's only gunners and i'm low. How do I get out of that situation.

Maybe it actually is stamina regen speed

i'm not a pro

[terse idol]

Hmm I may need to grab like 1 sniper res

[tall torrent]

2 gunner + 1 sniper is the way

[glossy swallow]

so that I can dash closer to them

[terse idol]

You run at at angle if you have stamina remaining

And that'll help dodge shots

You get into melee

Start stabbin

[glossy swallow]

So

like

[tall torrent]

Which class were u playing & what weapons did u have

[signal mango]

I used to be scared of snipers:

• now gunner swarms scare me more than sniper crossfires.

[glossy swallow]

Stamina Regen => Toughness Regen

[glossy swallow]

Tried Zealot and used my bolter

[umbral scaffold]

snipers are only really scary if you're out of dodges or there's like 9 of them in a crossfire

Common bolter L

[terse idol]

Stamina regen is better imo, cause it SEEMS like your stamina regen can kick in during blocking in melee

[umbral scaffold]

Gunners are always scary because they'll just plink at you and oops you're now dead

[glossy swallow]

Stawp

[flint garden]

shooter swarms most annoying

[glossy swallow]

😔

[umbral scaffold]

plus
Suppression lol

[flint garden]

dont get free ammo

[umbral scaffold]

fun mechanic

[tall torrent]

Ok for zealot, run at an angle towards them, pop fury (ability) when you’re close enough and beat them up in melee

[terse idol]

Gunners when there's a group of 6 and you instantly get Swiss cheesed

[glossy swallow]

:O

Actaully?

And

[umbral scaffold]

My favorite is when you're playing like Zealot

[glossy swallow]

it gives me slides

[umbral scaffold]

and then you get last samuraied mid dash

[glossy swallow]

which are pretty much ranged dodges

[umbral scaffold]

and just die because it somehow stopped you

[glossy swallow]

and I have capped dodges

but slides are only while sprinting with stamina

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen increases how fast stamina replenishes after it starts regen, it doesn’t impact how fast the regen actually starts

[glossy swallow]

so Stamina Regen =>

[umbral scaffold]

or when suppression gives your hands arthritis lol

[glossy swallow]

Am I getting this right?

[tall torrent]

Slides are ranged attack immune all the time regardless of how much stamina u have

[terse idol]

My anecdotal evidence, is, I was playing damnation and had to block a Chaos spawn, and I noticed my stamina was regening (when it could) as I was blocking the CS

[glossy swallow]

😩 😩 😩 😩 😩

[terse idol]

Stamina regen also seems to hit fast

[tall torrent]

Veteran base stamina regen delay is 1s

[terse idol]

Sooo having stamina regen on curios helps you gain more stamina back quickly when it hits

[tall torrent]

Zealot 0.75s
Psyker 0.5s
Ogryn 1s

[glossy swallow]

So

ok

[tall torrent]

But you have access to two stamina regen delay reduction nodes, each -0.25s

[glossy swallow]

Gimme a sec

Ok

[tall torrent]

One of them gives u zealot stamina regen
Both of them gives u psyker stamina regen

[glossy swallow]

Holy moly

[hearty panther]

getting both is a bit cumbersome but hella strong

[terse idol]

I don't think there are many others that are good imo

Like curio wise

Does toughness curio and extra toughness on the curio have diminishing returns?

[tall torrent]

These are the general good picks

[slow spade]

not really now with the funny damage enemies do

[tall torrent]

Having at least one +toughness curio goes a long way

[white minnow]

esp with iron will

[torpid sundial]

Toughness is basically veteran’s real health bar

The second it gets depleted you’re already downed

[terse idol]

• toughness as in the small one?

I got like 2 toughness and 1 hp

[glossy swallow]

In conclusion

Stamina Regen regens in battle
Toughness Regen does not

Stamina Regen regen gives more pushes and helps with revive
Toughness Regen does not

Stamina Regen is faster and with 3x 12% Stamina Regeneration it's a lot faster at getting back (1 sec for veteran which becomes around 38.4 sec)
Toughness Regen speed recution still wont start coming back while under gunfire

[slow spade]

I find it funny when people go "omg I take hp curios" while Vet gets like 60% TOUGHNESS damage resist and none for hp

[south vessel]

all toughness, all the time baby

[white minnow]

slides also work out of a sprint at zero stamina

you still get i-frames for that slide

[tall torrent]

Well the thing is if you’re not running a +toughness curio and you want to make up for that toughness loss you need like +5% toughness on all 3 curios

[terse idol]

Oooh

[slow spade]

stamina curio is always worth at least considering

[tall torrent]

A triple stamina curio is also very very good

[terse idol]

I still think it's A tier

Or S tier

[glossy swallow]

But only for ranged and not for melee? But sliding in melee dodges while having stam?

[wet elk]

which bell do you have to hit to go to hardmore twins? the left one or right one?

[tall torrent]

Right

[white minnow]

nah only ranged i-frames for slides

[wet elk]

tyty

[torpid sundial]

Triple toughness curios except for builds that take Deadshot in which case I take two toughness and one stamina

[wet elk]

i run double toughness and 1 wound

on vet, with toughness regen, stamina regen and gunner protection

[south vessel]

I feel like +1 wound is less good now there are health boosters all over the place

[terse idol]

I take + Stamina, +TOUGHNESS, +health for my weapon spec melee build

And 2 toughness and 1 hp for my marksmens focus build

[tall torrent]

I take 3x +10% dockets for when I’m not playing seriously

[torpid sundial]

If I’m downed twice it probably means I made horrible mistakes and deserve to die anyways

🙂

[glossy swallow]

Am I going too crazy with this one?

[terse idol]

No

[wet elk]

thats not bad

[terse idol]

That fine for a vet

[tall torrent]

It’s ok
But block efficiency goes a long way as well

[terse idol]

That's almost what I run

[wet elk]

just would take off sniper resisntace because gunners are the actual threat

lol

[terse idol]

I would take 1 sniper res

[tall torrent]

He has 1 sniper resist

[glossy swallow]

I respect that. Only problem is that i'm not good

[terse idol]

Yuhh

[wraith locust]

wheres + ordo dockets?

[south vessel]

I like sniper res; it can save you when you have 1 sniper behind a bunch of bulwarks or a bunch of other shit and you don't see the laser until BLAM

[wet elk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1097361494783569971/1117571315172384808/duck.gif

[tall torrent]

+10% docket is the farming meta but not necessarily for winning

[serene bough]

Tbh I don't roll with enemy resists

Rather take Regens

[tall torrent]

this what I run rn

[glossy swallow]

And then you're there and like the sniper starts to like kiss you n shi and that's like crazy to be honest

[south vessel]

get out of my dreams

[glossy swallow]

So like

Without farming build. Change the Ordo for block

efficiency

because with the stamina regen

it's almost unlimited

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[glossy swallow]

Am I cookin?

[tall torrent]

Triple block efficiency + triple stamina regen is very very good for melee

[glossy swallow]

[tall torrent]

and then this is what I use for unserious trolling

[glossy swallow]

So you just said f the enemy res

[hollow ibex]

Is block efficiency that good? I usually don’t need to block anyway

[tiny summit]

block effiency underated

[tall torrent]

Gunner resist is pretty much always good

[terse idol]

I may definetly hit that on my dclaw

Will it make Parry efficient?

[umbral scaffold]

fucking hell shotting your plasma more then 3 times and not overheating feel good

[terse idol]

It also will help you getting smashed by maulers and crushers iirc

[glossy swallow]

Wait

Good question

I use claw

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t perfect parry already have minimal stamina drain