veteran-class

[white minnow]

the game cheats in your favor and makes your push extra long specifically against bursters (and dogs)

[torn root]

is all im saying

[strange sparrow]

Because pre-emptive push = they wont detonate

[crisp rapids]

no, am saying that the gmae decided to troll me. and epxlode me at infinite range

[terse idol]

oh true

[crisp rapids]

like this video

[terse idol]

ooh yeah

No that's a bug

[normal pawn]

Also, People who dont use purgatus/smite to chain-stagger bursters is funny

[terse idol]

that ogryn was waaaaayyyy

Far enough

[crisp rapids]

i got fucked like that fucking 5/6 times

during a mission

[torn root]

what the actualy fuck

nvm

global reach

[flint garden]

[normal pawn]

I just wish knock-back wasn't so...
Over-done with players, but fucking useless on enemies

[torn root]

game is stacked against us

i kinda like it that way tho

[inland orchid]

It is 4 against…how ever many is in the horde at the time

[normal pawn]

Pewdiepie was right to hate the barrels

[torn root]

love it when a beast of nurgle blasts me into carajo land

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

at least 5 guys we fight

I think

[inland orchid]

Sounds accurate

[frail bolt]

should i trash this or is this good?

[torn root]

chunchunmaru!

eeew

[frail bolt]

so...... toss?

[torn root]

idk i just wanted to make fun of knives

sorry

[frail bolt]

ah

[crude fiber]

pretty sure you dont need any +toughness or toughness dam resistance to take a burster as long as you have VOC and full toughness (bit late on this subject) or 40-60 over toughness from zealot ult

[inland orchid]

I’d give my opinion if my mobile discord would load ur image

Damn airport wifi

[torn root]

so that means there is an actual total of toughness required

still

bout to find out

[crude fiber]

pretty good imo, swap ruthless for uncanny and crit dam for either maniac or carapace imo

[slate sleet]

very good

[torn root]

well no toughness curio makes some damage bleed through the bar

so that was settled pretty easy

actually no

[strange sparrow]

No you don't need any because yellow Toughness somehow bypass the damage

[torn root]

it was something else

[strange sparrow]

I did a 3x Hp curios instead

[torn root]

you dont need any toughtness period

i think lmao

[strange sparrow]

as long you have Yellow, it just work

[crude fiber]

thats what i thought would be the case

[strange sparrow]

Went back to run +20% x3 curios with no toughness

Just VoC give enough Yellow to tank PoxBuster

[torn root]

yeah

you actually dont need any bonus toughness as long as you are at max

[crude fiber]

well i think its just the overshield toughness is coded differently, it lets you tank crusher/mauler overheads as well

[torn root]

140, no hp damage

might just be because of toughness resist on the tree

[white minnow]

is invulnerability turned on

[crude fiber]

good point lol

[torn root]

fair i think i reset it earlier

[white minnow]

any point of yellow toughness allows you to survive bursters

it's special-cased to be that way

[crude fiber]

do yall use an app to record those videos?

[odd sparrow]

If it was no dmg should be applies even to toughness

[white minnow]

i personally use OBS

[torn root]

wait can i not revive in here?!

[white minnow]

creature spawner's invulnerability setting allows toughness damage but not health damage

it's only Will of the Emperor that protects against both toughness and health damage

[torn root]

how do i respawn XD

[white minnow]

if you die, you die

[torn root]

LMAO LAME!

[white minnow]

there's keybinds for healing yourself and helping yourself up though

[torn root]

NO revive option

assist doesnt work heal doesnt work that's funny

so i go back to my statement

with damage on

225 toughness is what it's looking like

somehow when it gets behind you it does damage tho

[crude fiber]

222 toughness with all the toughness resist nodes and still take full burster damage, 115 toughness +50 from VOC and only +5 toughness resist and im left with 0 toughness and full hp

[torn root]

225 + Iron Will*

total

only +5% reduction from the tree

so unless that 5% is really stopping me from taking damage idk man

[lofty lintel]

New years eve

What are yall doing for new years

[bright charm]

this worth picking up from melk? even worth it vs kantreal?

[lofty lintel]

Replace dmg vs specialist and hit n and run and its good to go

Get man stopper

For hit n run

[torn root]

you need deathspitter i would take it just for the blessing

[lofty lintel]

And dmg vs specialists for flak/ or maniac

And you can use it

[odd sparrow]

Only a few special attacks have innate bleedthrough to health dmg. Meaning that if the attack reduces toughness to 0 but still has more dmg the remaining portion will go directly to your health

Sniper, crusher overhead,mauler overhead. Im not sure if burster goes through but from the sound of you guys it appeard the answer might be no.

In general when you take rsnged hits only toughness tskes dmg, then when 0 toughness your health takes dmg.

For melee its a bit more complicated. A percentage% of thr damage always bleeds through depending on your percentage of toughness at the time of getting hit.

So say you are 100% toughness 0% bleeds through to health dmg.

At 90% toughness its 10%
At 80% toughness its 20%

And so on

[torn root]

know all of that

[frail bolt]

thx :>

[torn root]

looking for the total toughness you need for it not to hit you through

with Iron Will*

[crisp rapids]

i love looking at my ranged elite kills vs my team

21 , 7 , 123 , 29 :XD:

[torn root]

pretty sure snipers dont have bleed through either

im sure you can block all the damage too

with enough res

[crude fiber]

my b i dont know how to send it lol

[crisp rapids]

melee kills 30
ranged kills 743

[tall torrent]

wait what's ur build

[torn root]

that one was a bad take

ignore it

[tall torrent]

wdym

[torn root]

i had reset taking damage

but yeah snipers hav no innate bleed through

not sure where that got picked up from

[bright cliff]

even so it’s two good blessings on a shotgun. idk if they’re the best but they can’t be bad

[tall torrent]

wait so what toughness values do u need to have to tank burster and sniper (with only IW)

[white minnow]

it's because yellow toughness also protects against snipers

[crude fiber]

there it is

[torn root]

Burster 100% 225

I have IW and the +5% toughness damage res

[eternal flare]

I think its commissar build time

[tall torrent]

ok

so 225 toughness to tank burster

what abt sniper

[torn root]

might be lower. he just showed 165

[crude fiber]

any amount of toughness as long as you have the yellow overshield toughness

[torn root]

but that means i would have tanked it regarless without VoC?

[tall torrent]

oh ok lol

[white minnow]

it's not your maximum toughness

it's the yellow toughness

[crude fiber]

like i said i think the over toughness is coded special to be stupid

[crisp rapids]

yellow toughnes sis nor real

[white minnow]

it's specifically the yellow toughness that's protecting you

[torn root]

aah

hmm

[spice wadi]

LITERALLY

[white minnow]

die

[spice wadi]

live

[torn root]

i really don't understand how ppl can complain about survivng on this class then

[white minnow]

but i think there might be a minimum amount of yellow toughness that you need to tank it, since I was taking damage with only 4 yellow toughness against a burster

[torn root]

1 ability ensures you live basically

lmao

[white minnow]

at least in the psykh

[spice wadi]

because their toughness dips slightly below the iron will thingy

[shrewd matrix]

does that over toughness have the same mechanic as regular toughness, so you get 80% dr or whatever when it breaks

[spice wadi]

and then they get sent to the moon by a bruiser

and it makes them sad

[tall torrent]

So outside of stamina regen and block efficiency

[eternal flare]

why is my heavy laspistol not getting the benifit from shock trooper

[white minnow]

i see the ranged dr icon from buff hud improvements when my overtoughness gets broken by a burster

[crude fiber]

yeah i think 2 pulsees from zealot ult (+40) would be enough to save you

[white minnow]

so probably

[tall torrent]

3rd optimal would be ability CD?

30s vs 26.4s

[torn root]

most ppl take that

i dont care for 3.6 cdr

[white minnow]

oooh right zealot's ult pulses in intervals of 20

time to check that out

[torn root]

kind of a waste for 3 curio slots

[tall torrent]

I have a 20% sniper resist on my 21% health curio

The other two not sure which I wanna take yet

[torn root]

I like sniper/gunner res

toughness regen too

[tall torrent]

Gunner resist is nice but I feel like I don’t need more than one

[torn root]

but i only ever run 1

[tall torrent]

Cuz diminishing returns

Also considering 2hp + 1 x3 stam

Over 1hp + 1 x3 stam + 1 toughness

[crude fiber]

probably easiet to pulse twice and cancel out

[white minnow]

20 overtoughness is enough to survive

[torn root]

i think stamina is nice, for blocking

I like having 12 stamina

[tall torrent]

One x3 stam is very good already

[white minnow]

so either it's fairly generous for the flat amount you need, or it's based on the relative amount of overtoughness you have (relative to your max overtoughness)

[torn root]

i need 12 for deadshot

[white minnow]

or something

[torn root]

minimum

[tall torrent]

For deadshot I could see triple x3 stam honestly

But I’m not the biggest fan of deadshot

Only run it for laspistol & revolver

[torn root]

maybe at the max value of whatever bonus toughness you have stops any 1 hit from bleeding?

[tall torrent]

Prob gonna try to roll another HP curio

140 toughness is not the worst thing in the world

[torn root]

that's base toughness brother

dont do it to yourself

get that protection XD

[white minnow]

so true, protection is important

[crude fiber]

proof

[tall torrent]

My build rn is
+21% health, +3 stamina, +17% toughness
+12% block efficiency (x3)
+12% stamina regen (x3)
+20% sniper resist
+20% gunner resist
+5% toughness

[strange sparrow]

Yea I just experienced it also

[torn root]

yeah shit, just Bonus Toughness is op

[strange sparrow]

But if you don't have +50 VoC, you suffer HP damage somehow

[torn root]

if i see a vet cry i know they are bad now

sorry

[strange sparrow]

If it's not full, you take dmg

[torn root]

that's fucking broken!

[torn root]

this entire time i could have ego'd the crushers in my game?

fucking BET

[white minnow]

hmm i think it might be based on the relative amount of overtoughness you have

if i just had 20 max overtoughness out of 20, i could tank a burster

but 20 out of 100 max overtoughness made me take hp damage

[crude fiber]

its why i like to pop VOC when i see someone about to get recked by something or dont trust someone to push a burster

[torn root]

LMAO

[inland orchid]

Aw mang but I like giving people overtoughness with my shooty guy

[torn root]

the KARMA!

[finite imp]

Sigh

[inland orchid]

Unless u mean another type of crying

[crude fiber]

its probably something like you need full toughness + over toughness to tank things

[torn root]

crying that they can't survive shit

[tall torrent]

One of the best feeling things u can do on vet is to pop VoC immediately before a burster explodes on ur teammate and save them from all the unnecessary dmg

[torn root]

VoC is more broken than I though initially

[crude fiber]

so if you have 80 out of your 100 overshield you dont have FULL toughness

[inland orchid]

Oh lol big skill issue for those lads, I’ve saved broskis from bursters n such with a well timed shout

[torn root]

yes

[inland orchid]

I’m missing out on damage since I don’t got volleyfire but I’m ok with that

[torn root]

that full toughness thing applies to all of your tougness

[strange sparrow]

The thing is Vet suffer if they dont take VoC

[torn root]

you can have 23 bonus toughness and chaff will start chipping you

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty much forceful because Exec Stance don't do enough

Infil is too much talent point

[inland orchid]

Don’t do enough? I’ve heard completely diff

[torn root]

Exec stance defenders are coping sorry

[tall torrent]

This gives me 171 toughness and 182 health

[strange sparrow]

+25% Ranged Damage +25% Headshot damage doesn't improve your overall survivability

[torn root]

5 seconds to do 25% damage and have no survivability is just begging for hard mode for no reason

[strange sparrow]

5Seconds of forceful ranged weapon

[umbral scaffold]

HELL ZEAH! Just take a LOOK on this Stats!

[strange sparrow]

Swap to melee = L

[torn root]

^

like actually

[sharp ember]

now to see if hadron will show it mercy

[crude fiber]

i love exec stance, take mark all ranged enemies and reset on marked kill and you can keep it up for minutes at a time

[inland orchid]

Valid points, I’ll consider volleyfire for a few matches but I’ll stick to my usual VoC Nader vet

[strange sparrow]

You could, if your team decided to cover you while you're in Range weapon

[inland orchid]

Thank u for ur knowledge gentlemen

[strange sparrow]

5 seconds is too short with the fact you can't swap weapon

[torn root]

use exec stance if you want

[strange sparrow]

You could always refresh but if a mutant touch you or something hit you

it's goneee

[torn root]

im just saying after seeing that crusher clip no way am i having someone tell me its not the best of the best

[inland orchid]

Of course y’all ain’t ordering me “SWAP NOOOOW” lol

[white minnow]

my other reason to take VoC is that nade regen is right above it

[inland orchid]

Just sayin u both made good points

[strange sparrow]

Exec Stance is great for fun tbh, see everything and headshot tap everything

fun

But it require someone to babysit you tbh

[inland orchid]

Ya had lots of fun with exe stance before they made the talents into trees instead of pick one out of 3 every 5 levels

[old quail]

he means field improv

[tall torrent]

Now the question is

What’s the biggest difference between 171 toughness and 147 toughness

[white minnow]

binch

[strange sparrow]

Based IronWill

you could probably tank more gunner shot with 171 than 147

significantly more

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking

[main dock]

I like using Executioner Stance to try killing ranged enemies, but yeah, I need someone watching my back so I don't get shanked, and I'm also having issues trying to get those headshots to kill quickly.

[tall torrent]

Maybe I wanna drop the x3 stamina

[crude fiber]

most of my builds always slide over to get those lol

[strange sparrow]

Because Crusher Break your IronWill Threshold regardless alongside Bulwark

[inland orchid]

Oops, all bulwarks?

[strange sparrow]

Smh

[inland orchid]

I feel that sentence error I mix up names too

[strange sparrow]

171 Toughness (128 Breakpoint) while
147 (110 Breakpoint)

[main dock]

Big problem with VoC as I've seen it is that nobody actually uses it. They have it as their special ability, but I've seen Veterans shout all of twice in a match. I shout whenever there are enemies around and I have the ability, but I seem to be the rare exception.

[crude fiber]

i know its not used commonly but has anyone else got a triple revive with the VOC ability?

[inland orchid]

I snagged the “for the emperor” node so I feel more inclined to shout at hordes n such

[strange sparrow]

No

[inland orchid]

Closest I’ve gotten was a double revive against twins

[strange sparrow]

The thing about reviving is, your teammate need to be bad

Which is pretty rare

Like extremely bad

[crude fiber]

i did once and it felt pretty cool

[strange sparrow]

Look, I already been doing like 800k damage

They can't suck that bad if there's no specialist

[torn root]

personally would never use that augment

[strange sparrow]

no bulwark

no crusher

[inland orchid]

Dope can’t wait to do my own

[cerulean void]

disintegration beam

that is all

[strange sparrow]

To me, If you delete everything before those things get to your team, your team can't be that bad

[crude fiber]

wait you mean you all dont run +revive speed on all your curios

[strange sparrow]

I ain't picking you up if you run 8 wounds

[inland orchid]

I do, I love having an alt option if funny revive shout is on CD

[cerulean void]

[strange sparrow]

and you're 4 in

[torn root]

about the damage imma be honest

[inland orchid]

It’s so fuckin fast

[torn root]

if you are doing 800k in a match someone or multiple ppl arent shooting dudes

[cerulean void]

love me maxed revive speed + leave no one behind

[crude fiber]

i always run stam regen, block efficiency and revive speed. i know theres better things but i like the safe revives

also use 2 +3 stams and a 21 health

[cerulean void]

people be like "ew knife and stealth" and then watch me slash at a horde a few times, kill the heavy units with bleed while I rez them, and then give them extra breathing space with a smoke nade

[umbral scaffold]

Well, indeed

[crude fiber]

funy thing is with fast revives you can get people up before a demon host kills them but it still kills them after the run away

[umbral scaffold]

God Emperor, WTF is this?

[torn root]

I like Sustained Fire + Dumdum

[umbral scaffold]

How does Sustained Fire works?

[white minnow]

giving them false hope

[strange sparrow]

Wait this is a thing?

[umbral scaffold]

only for 4 and 5 shot or what

[strange sparrow]

I can

[crude fiber]

doesnt sustained only work for the FIRST 3rd and 4th shots, not every?

[strange sparrow]

REVIVE PEOPLE?

[sharp ember]

shoot, and then wait half a second for gun recoil to reset
it does not work if you keep firing

[cerulean void]

sustained only kicks in if you stop firing

[strange sparrow]

Yes only First which is dumb

[inland orchid]

“I got ya I got ya-“ a second off
DH: Na, ima do my own thang

[sharp ember]

not a very good blessing

[tall torrent]

Salvo is every continuously fired shot until the weapon’s recoil sets back to default position before you fired

Sustained fire buffs the 3rd and 4th shot of every salvo

[cerulean void]

IMO they need to shorten the window for both the variants of salvo augmenters

[strange sparrow]

They should set a limit to salvo

So every 10th shot it refresh making it workable

[torn root]

tbh

[cerulean void]

you should still totally have to pause firing, but the window is waaay to short in a realistic sense

[torn root]

i wish it were ever 4 bullets shot in succession

[cerulean void]

needs to be like 0.2s shorter

[umbral scaffold]

that is, if I shoot the entire magazine, only 2 bullets from it will be buffed for damage?

[torn root]

this gun with just the ping is dum man....

[umbral scaffold]

Such a bullshit

[cerulean void]

the only gun where opening salvo shines is, ironically, kan12 because it's already slow as f-

and even then it's still too long of a wait

[strange sparrow]

I want auric Mael to have mission gone wrong moment map

Man, imagine a randomized map

Just have different ending

(Chaos Wastes FlashBack)

[torn root]

sustained fire is really only for dealing with weaker elite's /specials

i think

at least on the columnus a good chunk die fast because of the damage

[strange sparrow]

Thing is Columnus doesn't benefit much from Sustained Fire

Because well... just 2 bullet having extra dmg doesn't goes that much better

[cerulean void]

only gun I've seen it work well on is a recon lasgun and we all know how those are doing rn

[torn root]

again i think the point of sustained fire is just for dealing with some specials the burst fire is really all it takes to kill specials, found my self pretty much burst firing to begin with when killing ragers, gunners, shotgunners etc.

[strange sparrow]

What is the max toughness for Curios again

[sharp ember]

17

[strange sparrow]

1 more 17% needed

[south vessel]

duh?! why wouldn't it be 17 exactly

[torn root]

idk i just like the fast kill

[south vessel]

(why did they make all the stats go to only 80%)

[slate sleet]

columnus?

[sharp ember]

in 2 years they will release red items, with stats that will go up to 100%

so we will finally get the full 20% toughness curios

and 100% weapon stats

[torn root]

vermintide 2?

[south vessel]

if they do that again but with this crafting system

I will call the Holy Inquisition on them

[serene orbit]

not really an if, tbh

[torn root]

we gunna have another Winds of Magic update

and its gunna cull the community

[south vessel]

more like Wind up Merchant ammirite

[cerulean void]

oh throne don't bring a bannergoat-type enemy here

[slate sleet]

randomized levels sounds amazing

[strange sparrow]

For 6.99 you could also have your 100-100-100-100-100 Psword that we would probably nerf in the next patch

[slate sleet]

with the way the setting is

[cerulean void]

yeah I'm waiting for space hulk clearing update in the far future

[slate sleet]

going deeper and deeper into the hive

[strange sparrow]

I just want Chaos Wastes Expansion on Darktide

Randomized Level, with different approach toward the missions

Missions have a randomized "Event"

Also please buff boss in this game

[cerulean void]

imagine

[strange sparrow]

currently it's a joke and mauler have bigger threat than beast of nurgle

[cerulean void]

beast of nurgle with rampart

[torn root]

Nope, just nerf players

that's the FatShark way

[terse idol]

it's j ust gonna be

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[cerulean void]

looks at last talent update

[terse idol]

Long

Maybe that's the 2nd city

Opens box
It's Chaos wastes

[gray finch]

shovel op

[terse idol]

I will say Chaos wastes level 1 will suck

[strange sparrow]

I mean even you nerf player

Beast of nurgle suck

[terse idol]

Imagine starting with 100 total modifier damage

[torn root]

can't nerf something without giving the players tools they can abuse, just so you can take it away

[terse idol]

The beast of nurgle when you get eaten and the director sends in 3 hordes and 4 crushers

😌

It's frankly never the beast of nurgle alone it's everything else if someone get's grabbed and god forbid

You can't get them out

[tall torrent]

And completely invalidate every godroll item in the game rn

[sharp ember]

they will also slightly inflate the hp of all enemies so you need a red weapon to keep your killing breakpoints

well, that’s why i like rapid fire weapons

another shot to kill is a mere drop in the bucket

[bitter turtle]

Automatics always benefit from more deeps

Much easier to build for than worrying if your wep hits the next breakpoint

[umbral scaffold]

Wich gun?

[brave musk]

The beast of nurgle after vomiting you straight into the daemonhost

[gray finch]

gray lucius 1 lasgun

[brave musk]

Id play the daemonhost gif emote but no nitro :)

[umbral scaffold]

Wow

The Damage on screen is more typical for infantry machine gun

[muted knot]

[frail bolt]

dumb question. any veteran players also happen to be fellow vets too?

[wooden flicker]

Who has a really stupid Krieg build?

[umbral scaffold]

Had one

With Bolter

but

nomore

[wooden flicker]

That's fine

I just want to embrace my inner pan banging idiot play style

[tall torrent]

Hopefully that never happens
Would rather red weapons (if ever) just get more perk & blessing options

[wooden flicker]

Or in this case; shovel banging dirt muncher

[gray finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9afbc80a-1872-410d-896c-f54f2ddcd569/krig

[wooden flicker]

Thank you very much

[quasi jetty]

Thiss was from a few days back. I have a proper Mk II Helbore now.

[gray finch]

you can also change marksman focus for 15% base elite dmg

[wooden flicker]

Based

[thorn plinth]

not done vet for a while, is the ammo generation penance still not doable?

[gray finch]

oh and use your special action from lucius 1 lasgun (stab) for monstrum https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1191057838957662338/1_wyrmwoodagent_gameplay.mp4?ex=65a40e0d&is=6591990d&hm=73c28e77f83ae0a10388174a7ad907f4794c44703d676e863ed2ca3f8d3fe632&

[umbral scaffold]

If you want to feel the real Stupidity of the absolute level,
Just start Playing Bolter
In only 1 hour you will already look like this

[quartz adder]

when plas pistol and bolt pistol

[umbral scaffold]

And jeah dude, I know what im talking ybout

[quartz adder]

ogryn

[umbral scaffold]

I was done it

[umbral scaffold]

Nah

[umbral scaffold]

Bolter Fan

[tall torrent]

Nice clip

[cerulean void]

I think this'll be my fifteenth Ia with a stat distro like this? lol

[twin ingot]

Trust me it took me a million dockets before I got a god roll 1a lasgun

[cerulean void]

I'm just trying to get Headhunter IV ;-;

[umbral scaffold]

Goddam, WTF is heppening here?

[tall torrent]

It’s fixed now

[tall torrent]

U mean the bayonet clip?

[gray finch]

this think deal 2k dmg to assassionation boss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1188972542522834974/stab_stab_stab.mp4?ex=659c77f8&is=658a02f8&hm=cb66660f46467e84df49fc37871cccba22bca6c7c6abce7a42da38d80841bf9d&

[serene orbit]

is that a 1 or 2

[strange sparrow]

1 and 2 use the same bayonet

[serene orbit]

Yeah, was just curious which they were running in that match, is all

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[merry glade]

wish autoguns were more viable in auric5

yknow, without converting teammate's tears into ammo

[strange sparrow]

Look like it's Mk 1

Because the stud

[strange sparrow]

Just run Survivalist and use melee

[umbral scaffold]

Well.. Ok, ok, I give this style of nobrain play 10 Ogrins of 5

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

They are

The iags are extremely good atm

[strange sparrow]

No he mean by ammo economy

[merry glade]

do you mean good in a "youtube pog face" kind of way or, like, actually good

[bitter turtle]

Columnus can literally spray hordes

And not run out

[strange sparrow]

Also it’s great just ammo economy is bad though

[bitter turtle]

I don't watch youtubers idk your lingo

It's legitimately a top weapon

Atm

Columnus is the most popular mark

But I use graia personally

They were buffed across the board in patch 14 and have been extremely good since then

[strange sparrow]

You’re forced to take +30% total ammo, so ammo tin give you 100~ ish round

[bitter turtle]

No you are nkt

[strange sparrow]

Else, use melee

[torn root]

you are TROLLING

right?

[bitter turtle]

Ppl were doing columnus even when you couldn't reach ammo node

[torn root]

RIGHT?!

[bitter turtle]

On patch 14 tree

[merry glade]

idk, last i tried it in... like... a week or 2 ago? it was a lackluster. ammo econ is not great and ttk leaves me wanting

[ebon umbra]

iag is a youtube word?

[bitter turtle]

It has so much ammo you can literally spray anything

[torn root]

YER TROLLING!

[strange sparrow]

Ammo economy isn’t great as I said

[bitter turtle]

He said youtube pog face good

[merry glade]

no, youtube pog face bad

95% of youtubers for this game are dogshit, lets b real

[bitter turtle]

Columnus has better economy than plasma revolver

Idk what you mean

[torn root]

If you run out of ammo that meanss you're a bot im sorry

like its next to impossible

[strange sparrow]

Is that the benchmark we’re using

[bitter turtle]

It's not literally infinite like lasguns ig

[strange sparrow]

Because I’m comparing it to Lasgun

Where you don’t pick up tin

Or ammo stash

[bitter turtle]

Those have literally infinite ammo

So yes

[strange sparrow]

Just relying on Survialist

[bitter turtle]

I guess its not literally infinite

[ebon umbra]

at this point i filter some memes out of my reading

[bitter turtle]

But I don't pick up much

[ebon umbra]

[bitter turtle]

Every game

[merry glade]

better for it, honestly lmao

[bitter turtle]

If you run dry constantly on colu it's a skill issue genuinely

[tulip condor]

^

[bitter turtle]

I even shoot hordes and still have spare lmao

[torn root]

you are talkling about not having ammo, don't

[strange sparrow]

You run dry on Columnus because you're in Auric mael and the amount of enemy is

Yea, you will run into ammo economy problem

[tulip condor]

If you aint using melee for ez kills, youre wasting ammo

[white minnow]

there's always survivalist

[bitter turtle]

I only play auric maelstrom and I don't run into problems lol

[white minnow]

i don't run out of ammo even when spamming into hordes

[strange sparrow]

Play enough with it

[bitter turtle]

I'm not the only kne

[tulip condor]

that alone will help conserve ammo

[bitter turtle]

Search old discussions

[torn root]

i use columnus in auric

[ebon umbra]

shouldnt auric mael be the place where you SHOULD be running into ammo issues anyways?

[torn root]

you arent running out of ammo

[bitter turtle]

Good players in vet channel do not run out with column

[strange sparrow]

I guess yall just shoot better

[torn root]

i can spray endlessly and still have 40% ammo like the entire run with the amount of specials that spawn

[merry glade]

see i dunno if i can trust it all. everyone talkin the hot shit but actually dog ingame, hard to filter who's actually, like, legit lmao

[white minnow]

the magic of survivalist

[bitter turtle]

If your definition If good ammo economy is shocktrooper semi auto lasguns with infinite ammo like helbore that is fucked

[white minnow]

trust me i have 2.2k hours in the game

columnus good

[torn root]

its not shooting better, might just be killing stuff in less bullets

but you legit dont run out of ammo lmao

[white minnow]

and IAGs in general

[torn root]

might be a discipline thing, don't just hold trigger and burn ammo when you killed a dude 12 bullets ago

[bitter turtle]

You can search Columnus in the history

[merry glade]

mm, i'll give it another go. viable to voice of command, or would you say stance is mandatory

[bitter turtle]

Literally it's a commonly.discussed gun bc.its strong as fug atm

And easy to build

[white minnow]

i like to go VoC since it's just nice for survivability

[bitter turtle]

No

Ppl use voc

[white minnow]

and nade regen/field improv is above VoC

[bitter turtle]

Don't forget to take onslaught on right tre

[merry glade]

i'll give it a shot, thanks chief.

[bitter turtle]

So you can kill crushers

[strange sparrow]

Tbh, Yall make me feel like im not playing Auric Mael

[white minnow]

exe's stance nice but melee elite patrols can be problematic if i don't have nades up or VoC

[strange sparrow]

even on no ammo pickup match, I need to reduces usage on Columnus

[torn root]

don't feel that way, you might be spraying OD tho

i think the lowest ive ended a mission with is with 200 in the bag

[strange sparrow]

That's the thing, I don't spray too much in my game
The bad economy come from spraying down Waves

and each game, you are expected to do like 600+k damage overall

[bitter turtle]

I think ur standards are just fucked

[strange sparrow]

so I dont know

[bitter turtle]

If good ammo economy is semi auto las

You do pick up ammo on column but it should not be significantly more than other players usually

And I paired it with a knife

So I actually had to shoot hordes lol

Back in p14

Without ammo node

Also hh autoguns are good too

Though less good than iag

[merry glade]

here's what i'm rockin. any must-have talents other than +rending/+brittle-on-hit

[torn root]

idk about this one chief

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

[torn root]

i think i misread it nvm

[strange sparrow]

I just feel yall not playing Columnus aggressively enough to run into ammo problem, or just been using Psword too much

[bitter turtle]

I run w/ shovel and top frag every game with iag cause it's braindead lol

[torn root]

well i dont only use the gun, sometimes gotta melee

[strange sparrow]

Then again, I run Columnus like how I run Hellbore, Melee isn't required

[torn root]

and i use XIIIg more than powersword

like there are legit times where you DONT need to shoot

[bitter turtle]

Not really, just pick up as much dmg as you can

It's a flexible gun

Left and middle keystone best for it

[torn root]

so you legit ARE wasting ammo when you don't need to be shooting

[strange sparrow]

??

[bitter turtle]

Iag have high finesse modifier

[strange sparrow]

You don't actively rush gunners/flak and anything that hurt your team?

[torn root]

they dont take many bullets?

tf

half of them die in 3 bullets to the head lmao

[bitter turtle]

Do you run without surv?

I could see ammo problems if you do no surv columnus

I just don't know why you would

[strange sparrow]

Then again you take Crits Columnus

[wet frigate]

Veteran without surv? Herecy

[torn root]

yeah no survivalist with columnus is begging for it

[strange sparrow]

Which is another breed

Because not everything take 3 bullet to the head if you ain't running funny crit columnus

[merry glade]

wish they'd rework vet auras -- surv too stronk

[torn root]

fair, might be slightly scewed

skewed*

im legit just geared to kill specials and elites, but its not the build i use 100% of the time

[long hemlock]

Hi everyone. New player here, trying to work out how much I donkeyed my talent tree up

[torn root]

its just i find it hard to actually hit 0 on that gun idk

its why i gush about it so much

[long hemlock]

is there an easy way to share my mess?

[strange sparrow]

Each Tin give 106 if you took +25% total Ammo on Columnus

[bitter turtle]

This is my graia tree

Should be fine with columnus

Better even

[torn root]

long shot helps kill specials too might be that if you arent running it too

it does reduce the shots needed for kills

ignoring the deadshot mess

[strange sparrow]

Longshot only kick in 8m+

and the effect goes 1% onward

[terse idol]

Nobody deserves surv

Nobody is worthy

[torn root]

you will actively find specials at that range in hordes

like actually

usually i ping through hordes and focus them

[strange sparrow]

It's more toward reducing damage dropoff from distances

rather than actually reducing shots to kill thou since you be shooting from atleast 15m+ at them

My build revolves around just surviving because you be alone half the time trying to kill stuff before they reach team

[terse idol]

Is it really 1% per meter after 8?

[strange sparrow]

Yes I tested it

You could try it in Psykarium

[terse idol]

Pog

[bitter turtle]

Why krak

[strange sparrow]

Bulwark killing

[terse idol]

Why not just play infil

You're giving up half of what makes VOC good

Applying it to team

[bitter turtle]

Shredder knockdown already let's you gun bulwark easily

[strange sparrow]

Shredder does not knockdown bulwark if you don't time it correctly

[bitter turtle]

Sounds like a

[ebon umbra]

monstro modifier or maybe with a hellbore for some reason idk

[bitter turtle]

You know that word

[strange sparrow]

Yes and I won't be changing to Shredder

the fact that you need 3 to kill rager

instead of 2

[bitter turtle]

skissue

[ebon umbra]

but i almost always want shredders even then

[ebon umbra]

shredders are so cute with tinkerer

[ebon umbra]

just throw two and check your phone

[terse idol]

No but wait

Its the dot

That's good

Why you spamming that many grenades

🥹

[strange sparrow]

I would rather believe people that Shredder because that save them one point

[torn root]

something like this, couldnt come up with a better way to show currently modding

[terse idol]

Its the dot + stagger

[strange sparrow]

instead of it being great

[terse idol]

That krak doesn't get

[strange sparrow]

Shredder only have 6m of knockback/stagger

[terse idol]

Or I should say

[strange sparrow]

Krak have 3m

[terse idol]

Its better vs gorde

Gordes

[ebon umbra]

is 2 too many

[bitter turtle]

2 shredder delete horde

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean 1 vs a horde

[ebon umbra]

oh

[terse idol]

Is gonna dot most of the horde

And stagger them

[strange sparrow]

Like people just keep saying hey Shredder is pretty good, but you could already be dealing with hordes with Psword

[bitter turtle]

Ragers don't die on the spot yes but you can spray and wipe them out with minimal effort

[terse idol]

And gonna apply dots to adds outside the horde

[long hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9afbd970-fea1-4b2e-8cbe-d258ddcd071e

[terse idol]

Why compare grenade killing power now

[strange sparrow]

and Chainsword make quick work of Hordes

[ebon umbra]

psword is a commitment and im flaky

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430

[terse idol]

Sorry I'm really hostile

Today

Shredders good

Atleast...

Upgraded

I like upgraded shredders

[placid portal]

m'beloved Shreddas

[strange sparrow]

People keep saying Shredders good, but when I said that Shredders doesn't solve the problem in regards of stacked enemy

just toss more lmao

[torn root]

2 is the recommended amount

[strange sparrow]

I guess

[ebon umbra]

two tinkerer shredders and 12 gunners walk into a bar

[terse idol]

I wouldn't personally throw 2 but I see why you would

[ebon umbra]

none came out

[placid portal]

2 is the usual prescription to mixed hoardes

[torn root]

shredders just soften up the horde

[strange sparrow]

also Shredder Explosion damage fallout is just fucked tbh

[placid portal]

1 per every fallen teammate

[strange sparrow]

500->100 because 1meter differences

[long hemlock]

what's the AoE on Frags?

[torn root]

especially when there are specials and elites when you toss 2 all you have to do is care about what survives

[strange sparrow]

6 meter on knockdown 8 meter on shred

[torn root]

which probably have low health

[ebon umbra]

i throw 2 shredders usually because i take the 4th nade

and bcuz why work

[strange sparrow]

you need to throw 2 shredders always

[ebon umbra]

just let the nade do it

[strange sparrow]

because 1 shredders doesn't have enough bleed for mixed hordes

[long hemlock]

Thanks Nahcies. I have been using Krak for the one shot power, but a lot of times they feel wasted

[strange sparrow]

Here's the comparison of Shredder

2 shredder in short span

[long hemlock]

either the team kills the Crusher/Bulwark, or I miss my throw

[ebon umbra]

i wish kraks were more consistent with clumped elite kills

[torn root]

ngl man i think you are too focused on killing ragers with shredders

[placid portal]

How it feels to use Krak

1. Throw Krak
2. Stick onto High Value target
3. Target instantly vaporizes
4. Krak explodes and kills nothing

[torn root]

not even what they are for

[placid portal]

Solution to ragers: A GUN

[strange sparrow]

People told me that Shredder kill ragers in 2 nade

[torn root]

THEY DO

if you AIM

[placid portal]

Ye in mixed hoarde

[strange sparrow]

???

The explosion distances

drop rapidly

[torn root]

you literally killed one earlier

[strange sparrow]

from 500

to 100

[torn root]

YOU CAN AIM

[strange sparrow]

...

[torn root]

WHY are you acting like you have dog shit aim

[delicate estuary]

superior vet players use smoke nades anyways

[placid portal]

???

[torn root]

lmao

[placid portal]

I am getting confused

[strange sparrow]

Explosion damage from Kraks drop from 500 (0m) -> 100 (1m) distances

[delicate estuary]

if you cant see them how can they see you 😎

[strange sparrow]

12 stacks of bleed does not kill a rager

[sharp ember]

smonk grenade

[strange sparrow]

You could test it out yourself

[placid portal]

Smonk is so good on the carnival 1st cypher for all I know

[delicate estuary]

does your smite psyker annoy you -> throw smoke while they are smiting and cause their FPS to drop with the added particles

[torn root]

reloading the game...

[placid portal]

Based

[strange sparrow]

^ 12 bleed was applied

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t kill ragers, but it does a good chunk of damage to make them much easier to kill

[strange sparrow]

I toss it in quick succession

[strange sparrow]

That's exactly what im saying, you toss 2, it does not kill rager

[tall torrent]

Frags getting mass rager kills is usually because those ragers are getting hit while bleeding to death

[strange sparrow]

and 1 frags damage is really pathetic

[tall torrent]

Slightly different story with tinkerer

[strange sparrow]

so you need to quick throw 2-3 in quick succession

[tall torrent]

1 frag for stagger
2 frag for aoe dmg

It’s really simple and versatile

[placid portal]

I never thought of frags as damage, basically firecrackers

[tall torrent]

People drop 2 frags to bleed a whole wave of enemies to death while hitting them with their weapons

[placid portal]

I remember times when kids throw firecrackers as pranks

[torn root]

the little twisted ones?

[strange sparrow]

It's great for Mixed Hordes, and Im not against that

[torn root]

WHY IS DARKTIDE NOT LOADING??!@

[strange sparrow]

I take Kraks because it kill stuff I wouldn't have time to kill

[placid portal]

Usually at that time somebody else does it before the krak detonates

[strange sparrow]

Not in my lobby where Kraks serve greatly

especially scrab only

[tall torrent]

If nobody on the team has enough dps to melt crushers and bulwarks, kraks are fine

[terse idol]

It doesnt need to kill rager

[placid portal]

Bulwarks is a special kind of case

[tall torrent]

But a lot of the times the targets die before kraks go off

[terse idol]

Like

Ah I dunno chief

I think because now people have min maxed pguns so hard krak is like

Eh

[placid portal]

ngl I am tempted to pick up plasmagun again since I have a hate train vs bulwarks

[terse idol]

Like cool

Before we knew the tech yeah sure blowing up crushers was good

Now you just unload even before the krak goes off and welp

[placid portal]

krak might be worse than smoke at that scenario

at least smoke disables ranged attacks except snipers

[strange sparrow]

I dont know chief, yall take Shredder because you can't deal with hordes

[terse idol]

🥹

[terse idol]

I can deal with hordes

[strange sparrow]

I take krak because I dont have time to deal with bulwark/Crusher

[terse idol]

It helps

[strange sparrow]

it's just that shrimple

[placid portal]

Kill 1 bulwark with krak, 3 more take its place

[white minnow]

i like my shredders for ragers since they really encroach onto your space

[tight depot]

i take krak because I play bounty hunter style veteran.

[white minnow]

at least you can dodge crushers/bulwarks more easily

[ivory forum]

i personally dont care about practicality, i just like to see the fear in crushers and bulwarks eyes when they realize that krak just stuck on to them

[placid portal]

I like shreddas because you do the funny ring spin

[strange sparrow]

The only time I take Shredder is using gun that can't deal with hordes

[terse idol]

How is hitting a bulwark on a the shield with a krak feel

[strange sparrow]

Which mean I need to invest into doing stuff I can't

[terse idol]

Like

It'll block it

Shredders just kinda help vs well hordes and even crushers

[strange sparrow]

no?

[tight depot]

krak when hit the shield it still kill bulwark

[terse idol]

Yes?

[strange sparrow]

it doesn't block krak

[placid portal]

Dunno but the fuse timer for krak is so damn long

[terse idol]

Oh

[placid portal]

ye

[terse idol]

I swear I stuck bulwark shield and it was fine

It just took a stagger

[bitter turtle]

Nope

It goes through

[terse idol]

Crazy

[bitter turtle]

Shield

[tight depot]

for people dont know Krak grenade have a TOO small effective area

[placid portal]

must be some FS spaghetti code

[terse idol]

I mean hols on though

Pgun is still good vs bulwarks

[terse idol]

Because you just stagger them

[tight depot]

but if u can make enemy stay same spot 1 krak can kill 6 crusher

[torn root]

....

[placid portal]

it's good against everything

[torn root]

I EVEN AIMED THE SECOND ONE POORLY

[terse idol]

Das crazy

[tall torrent]

That’s just plain wrong & dumb lol

[terse idol]

I just dont think krak is meta like it used to be

[strange sparrow]

I already told you

that you need the 500 dmg from explosion

[torn root]

AIM

[terse idol]

And shredders are more versatile

[torn root]

AIIIM

[strange sparrow]

rather than the bleed

dude have skill issue on reading

[torn root]

I tabbed out

[tight depot]

i not use shredder because i can deal with horde easily [PRAISE THE SHOVEL]

[torn root]

but to who ever wants to believe and not understand i stil have to say it

[terse idol]

Huh?

I'm so confused

[strange sparrow]

Literally been telling you that you need the 500 damage from Shredder explosion

[torn root]

YOU CAN kill with 2 nades, just AIM

[placid portal]

Krak was meta? I thought it was a popular choice since people hated bulwarks

[strange sparrow]

to kill rager in 2 grenade

[torn root]

it doesnt invalidate it

[strange sparrow]

and the damage drop off from 500 to 100 in 1 meter

[terse idol]

Well I thought it was meta cause nobody knew the meta yet

[torn root]

literally just requires player finesse

[tall torrent]

Kraks need 1 extra point of pathing and gets to remove fewer targets that generally could get melted by raw dps anyways

[terse idol]

It does a major stagger....

[placid portal]

Truth is There is no meta

[terse idol]

On the first grenade

How you gonna look past it

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-is-the-game-was-rigged-from-the-start-fallout-new-vegas-gif-14316695

[terse idol]

Yes the vets grenade isn't an ogryn nuke

[strange sparrow]

Fun fact, Shredder grenade is 6 meter knockback

[terse idol]

[strange sparrow]

Krak is 3

[terse idol]

Woah so shredder

Is better

[tall torrent]

Even better, safe res for teammates

[terse idol]

Thats double

The range

[torn root]

shredder nades culls waves and has more CC idk man

[strange sparrow]

ah yes, shredder good because my teammate are bad

[placid portal]

also shredda has faster grenade throwing speed since you already pull the pin when you pull it out

[torn root]

bro imma be honest

[terse idol]

The game is a coop pve shooter of course

So yes it helps

[torn root]

kraks are unneccesary

[strange sparrow]

instead of destroying that crusher/bulwark

[torn root]

you have a gun to deal with it

[strange sparrow]

that is half the room away

[terse idol]

I mean if it's half the room away

Just kill it with gun

[placid portal]

or better yet

[terse idol]

If its half the room away it's not your problem yet

Bro what

[strange sparrow]

?? you shoot columnus half a room away

[placid portal]

man up and use a melee weapon

[torn root]

shredders give the entire team space by culling enemies

[placid portal]

[tall torrent]

This frag slander is just plain cope lol

[white minnow]

unironically a good reason

[torn root]

shouldnt even be focused on weather they can kill shit, its not the purpose for them

[strange sparrow]

People take Shredder because they want to save 1 point and use plasma

[terse idol]

Why am I shooting columnus at half a room away

[terse idol]

Uh

[tight depot]

still i think your grenade choice still prefer by your melee and ranged weapon option

[terse idol]

Hard disagree

[strange sparrow]

just use gun

[terse idol]

Krak and pgun

[strange sparrow]

you just said that

lmao

[terse idol]

Kinda suck

[terse idol]

Pgun

[placid portal]

Why not? It's a practice of controlling the recoil

[terse idol]

Vs crusher

[tall torrent]

No that’s really not the case, you’re assuming way too much

[placid portal]

[terse idol]

At half a room away

Or pgun

[white minnow]

yeah you can usually take care of ragers with the columnus, but sometimes they really do just jumpscare you

[terse idol]

A bulwark

[torn root]

because you can, no reason not to

[terse idol]

At half a room away

[white minnow]

if i have a full mag, I can hipfire

but i'll get staggered during my reload a bunch

[terse idol]

Like

I got better tools

[torn root]

why use braincells when you have columnus

[terse idol]

Or I just let the bulwark come to me 😌

[white minnow]

so true

[torn root]

toss nade shoot

melee

sometimes

[placid portal]

Prefer Agripinaa Brautos now

[tall torrent]

I’d consider kraks higher if the fuse timer was shorter with a little better AoE and better talent tree pathing

[placid portal]

Love that csgo ak

[placid portal]

This is the thing I want

Faster fuse after sticking would be lovely

nonstick should have longer fuse

[tall torrent]

Have it just blow bulwark to shreds 0.2s after it sticks, fuck it

If I’m taking kraks to remove bulwarks, I want that bulwark dead

Not wait 1s for it to blow

[placid portal]

Kill 1 bulwark with a Krak, 3 more take its place

[torn root]

i don't like kraks i rather bait bulwark attacks and shoot some in the head

[tight depot]

if u just let bulwark stack each other in same spot 1 krak can kill all of em

[strange sparrow]

Also disregarding the fact that Kraks kill stacked 2+ bulwark/crusher instead of 1

[placid portal]

though it do be risky because usually bulwarks are escorting a hoarde behind them

[tall torrent]

Hence it needs better AoE

The enemies need to be like

In kissing distance with each other

[strange sparrow]

as long it is stacked stuff that is problematic

[tall torrent]

For krak to land a double kill

[terse idol]

Also I mean taking 1 point for shredder aint true, cause most builds do VOC and focus target

So it would actually be better just to go krak

And middle

[placid portal]

VoC is dummy OP

[tall torrent]

If they’re just a little further away, krak doesn’t 1 shot both

[terse idol]

For both krak AND the grenade upgrades

AND

The grenade regen

[strange sparrow]

You missed out on survalist

for 5% damage aura

[bitter turtle]

I only take krak for monstros

[terse idol]

Fuck survivalist

[strange sparrow]

but ok

[bitter turtle]

If my load out can't handle monstro

[terse idol]

All my homies hate survivalist

[bitter turtle]

The stun is very long with chained krak

[placid portal]

Engage the Chaos Spawn in Glorious Melee

[strange sparrow]

It do be like that

[placid portal]

[tight depot]

for my case if i meet many crusher or bulwark i throw to one then i go close to make other stand close. most of the time it not 1 kill per bomb

[devout hearth]

is that gun skin a mod?

[strange sparrow]

Yea it's a mod

[placid portal]

likely

[bitter turtle]

But to me krak is like carapace on your gun

It handles a very narrow range of enemies

[devout hearth]

nice. I just got the Mez's mod pack and its kewl. haven't tried cosmetics yet. tyty

[placid portal]

Imma be honest I think the mod is weird for the Agripinaa Brauto because at times you don't reload when pressing the reload or it's a client issue

[bitter turtle]

And I would only take if in niche scenario

[torn root]

literally rather do this with bulwarks than use kraks in a horde, the nade could help get rid of pressure

[placid portal]

Maybe... Buckshot Shotgun + Krak since Lawbringer is technically a mini Shredder

[merry glade]

krak >>>>> shredder

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[placid portal]

but with a really slow reload

[terse idol]

Hard disagree

[tall torrent]

90% the time it’s not nearly as good as frags
The other 10% it’s debatably better

[terse idol]

Gonna hit the dreaded

Nu uh

[placid portal]

When you bring Krak on Hunting Grounds Modifier

[bitter turtle]

Ya only time I bring krak on my current load out is v7 and shovel

Cause it's actual trash against monstro with that combo

Lol

But even then I still miss frag

[terse idol]

I can see bringing Krak on those auric maelstrom where it's all maulers and crushers no shooters

[merry glade]

reported

[bitter turtle]

Its just better most of the time

[terse idol]

But even then!

I think shredders just give good enough utility

You have 1 more

[placid portal]

ngl it's kinda weird you find yourself in situations where shredders feel more useful

[terse idol]

You have stagger

[placid portal]

[terse idol]

You have a WIDE RANGE DOT

That can kill random enemies

[tall torrent]

Scab only no ammo? Frags are still better in that mode because you bleed mass ragers and maulers with substantial dps

[placid portal]

Oh yea forgot how Maulers take decent bleed

[bitter turtle]

When you die on auric maelstrom most of the time it's cause your team ran out of space

Guess which grenade make the most space lol

[tight depot]

1 shredder bomb damage not enough to kill enemy that I want to kill fast

[placid portal]

Still hope Smoke causes enemies to infight

[torn root]

you have 3 shredders and a damned shout like thats so much utility

[tight depot]

most of the time u need 2 bomb to make it work

[tall torrent]

The only enemy in the game who doesn’t take heavy DoT is crusher because he’s carapace

Maulers are “flak enemy” with carapace head

[torn root]

like why go krak, for literally ONLY bulwarks

[merry glade]

akshually is because i'm playing music and don't hear the conga line of trappers/bursters

[strange sparrow]

You die on Auric because Bulwark and Crusher Squeezing your space to begin

[placid portal]

or the usual crusher 5 stack

[torn root]

that's legit the only thing you need kraks for

[terse idol]

It will bleed out most ads in a mob to five You spaace

Or the random dog

[strange sparrow]

Every other weapon in your arsenal can be dealt rather quickly

[terse idol]

Or trapper

[terse idol]

WIt wait wait

[torn root]

nah you got a melee slot and gunslot/team for that