veteran-class

[crisp rapids]

(but its fucking shoting 13 times a second u wont be able to hit heads all the time)

and the weakspot bonuses on the tree also hepl a ton.

since the weakpost bonus on the amongus is insanse

[potent lichen]

I'm pretty sure this is scuffed already. Worth going for the last tier or should I start over?

[crude fiber]

soon (probably not)

[delicate estuary]

Is your build running the damage to elites node

It's not a bad perk per say

Not most optimal but if you just want to test it around and see how it feels

[crude fiber]

pretty much bricked unless you want to use shred and want to chance the next upgrade

[delicate estuary]

It should be ok

[crude fiber]

literally unusable

worst thing ever created

[potent lichen]

I'm running weapon specialist so no extra elite damage

[delicate estuary]

It should be ok just RNG the upgrade

[crude fiber]

jokes aside the base stats are good and as long as you have a +cleave blessing it will work fine

[delicate estuary]

Maybe you get lucky

[crisp rapids]

i usually roll up to purple, if one of the perks/blessings its what i want, then i roll for gold

[idle swallow]

You can feel a little bit of your soul die everytime you get a really good 370+ roll and then the first perk/blessing are just trash tier

[spring rose]

Real

Mood

[delicate estuary]

The sooner you accept that reality the sooner you will be able to ignore it

[spark helm]

I'm too easily scared by the rng so I have at least double what I need in case I spin it all again

[delicate estuary]

Game doesn't respect your time anyways

[crisp rapids]

i usually spend 500k per brunt roll

then after trimming down i have like 5 weapons to roll

[spark helm]

500k docket buy-in. Damn

Mid-roller baybee

[crude fiber]

when you get 1 good pick on it so you have to go to gold to see if it'll work

[spark helm]

We out here losing our cheeks to hadron today

Literally just the cheeks lmao

[delicate estuary]

I would say a good average is about 1 million to 4 million dockets for like 5 370+ weapons if you get lucky

[spark helm]

"Your cheeks varlet, then, your beloved 'blessing'".

I...I just want my shovel blessing

Please no more tactical axes.

[idle swallow]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/M6WgkbXFHjwAAAAd/casino-oldpeople.gif

[spark helm]

PLEASE

[tired kestrel]

guys im in a dilemma, should i snag this from Melk for the blessing

i dont have brutal momentum 2 or 3, ill share my current power sword tho i havent taken off for a long time

shop refreshes soon, idk if i just wait for brutal momentum 4 or not, i never have enough of the melk currency to buy more than 1 thing

[celest vine]

You can blow threw some sedition missilns

[ebon umbra]

game doesnt respect my time but i dont respect myself. maybe not hunting for 380s despite knowing it won't do anything for me is the first step in living a better, happier, more fulfilling life

[celest vine]

They count too

[ebon umbra]

okay i know what i have to do

im gonna go to buy rating mod and set it to discard below 379

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-oomfie-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-shake-head-hitoribocchi-gif-27010676

dont wanna

[delicate estuary]

380s I have on a luck basis anything that is above 360 is good enough

[ebon umbra]

half the time the 380 is worse than your 360-370

oh boy i love dumping my primary stat

we are rolling 5m dockets minimum at a time

someone get me an intervention

[delicate estuary]

39,99 for a 40k casino

[ebon umbra]

[delicate estuary]

I doubt a solution is coming for the next year

[ebon umbra]

a new years resolution is coming next year

but not a solution

[grave beacon]

what blessings do you want on the mark7 shovel for two tapping crushers

[civic knot]

how do you make Graia Mk IV viable compared to colomnus?

[muted knot]

I don't think you really can get it there

[crisp rapids]

the braced graia is horrible in every single way, even with the +25% extra attackspeed the dps just barelly matches of the agrip brauto

and ofc none of the stagger and cleave

the amongus autogun is very hard to fully utilize the dmg ppl see on the psykarnium

yeah u can do it, but its situational

and said situation might one come when u see a pack of crushers, and your stamina is low/blocking attacks

if u are very good at the game u likelly can make VERY good use of the columnus.

[muted knot]

The what

[crisp rapids]

columnus-> amongus

[muted knot]

Stop forcing dead memes

[crisp rapids]

no, latelly the pubs ive been playing with columnus didnt manaeg to go "lmao dmg", causse lots of hoardes, so they either had their melee up, or had to shoot trough hordes.

its not as precise of a weeapon, i think the dmg fallof of the amongus gun also start earlier.

[crude fiber]

i think he meant calling them amongus lol

[muted knot]

Yeah it's outperforms the other r IAG in close range but starts to faulter once you get further away

[muted knot]

Yes

[crisp rapids]

its a hard gun to manage to pump the psykarnium numbers basically

[muted knot]

I agree

[crisp rapids]

agrip IAG and brauto, or evne graia IAG (i hate the brauto of this one)
might be easier, less finiky ot use (and straight up better) in some cases.

[muted knot]

I've never taken into into the grinder Personally

Graia has no stagger

Like at all

[crisp rapids]

it fucking sucks

i shot a trapper 10 times, and then got netted

cause he didnt even flinch once

it feels am more likelyl to kill the thing before staggering it

[muted knot]

Yeah it's kinda dumb

[crisp rapids]

you cant "just headshot" everything, u wont get the perfect lineups.

your stamina wont be always maxed for u to annihilate crushers

just check headshot rate in psykarnium vs outside

ofc u sitll try to line them up, but its just not gonna happen

agrips consistent dmg (and very high crits still), and or graias versatility might shine better especially on long range maps.

[white minnow]

columnus has lower ADMs at a farther range yeah

[nova lagoon]

this helmet when. -,-

[floral sun]

tomorrow, i heard

[crisp rapids]

fat shark had a manufacturing error

[nova lagoon]

0m0 you lyin

[crisp rapids]

they forgot to put it

[white minnow]

main challenge of the columnus just seems to be the sight so i have the crosshair remap mod and a sight slapped onto it

[crisp rapids]

on the helms

show those mods

are they mods, or are they those sus mods on that very grey zone of legality?

[bold sierra]

[crisp rapids]

liek the """"minigame """""helper""""" tjat gives u the awnser of everything

[bold sierra]

can it be?

[crisp rapids]

ohhh blaze away, that fucking nice

[ebon umbra]

at least trappers dont instanet now

[crisp rapids]

i wonder whats batter:
shatter
blaze way
gets hot

[scarlet vessel]

finally after 120 hours

[bold sierra]

axe good??

[crisp rapids]

i never used axes

but i need a new elite/crusher melee killer

as i neded shredder for my agrip builçd

[raw steppe]

PS always works

[crisp rapids]

in fact just crusher killer, i need nothing else, agrip mk8 covers me for any elites

what on a PS.

i had mine from the day it would hit like 3 times before needing a recharge

[raw steppe]

Push attack light

[umbral scaffold]

PS6

[raw steppe]

2 shots crushers

[crisp rapids]

its not great lmao

i used it just for hordeclear

back in the day

very very back in the day

[raw steppe]

Well now it 2 shots crushers cuz they buffed it

Lol

[umbral scaffold]

PC3 turns a normal power sword into a crusher fucker

Normal power sword is pretty competent tho

[crisp rapids]

nice nice

[umbral scaffold]

It's just fucking sluggish to dodge

[crisp rapids]

likelly need ot change unnarmoured to carapce

[raw steppe]

Well you don't get to have everything 😂

[scarlet vessel]

also Infernus worth it on Lasgun?

[raw steppe]

You can also use knife

But killing crushers with knife is much more skill based than a PS

Stacked Knife also can 2 shot a crusher with a crit I think

[terse idol]

Imo no

[raw steppe]

Infernus is kinda bad on everything

[terse idol]

You want head hunter and

[junior grail]

Dumdum

[terse idol]

And deadly accurate

[scarlet vessel]

oo ok ill wait for those blessings then

[terse idol]

Not dumdum

There is no dumdum on lasgun

[junior grail]

Oh pardon thought yall talking about Recon Lasgun

[terse idol]

Headhunter Deadly accurate

[terse idol]

Delete it

I'm joking

Save it for stonks

[scarlet vessel]

so Headhunter Deadly Accurate or Dumdum

oh no dumdum

[junior grail]

I shall retain my shame for future lessons

[terse idol]

There is no dumdum

On regular lasguns

[scarlet vessel]

Infernus sounds so cool too bad fire damge meh so far

[junior grail]

At least I didn't suggest Falter

[terse idol]

Infernus maybe for Las pistol

[raw steppe]

Even for laspistol

[midnight totem]

Laspistol gets dum dum

[terse idol]

But other than that like, infantry lasguns excel at pin point accurate damage

[midnight totem]

Which is hilarious

[junior grail]

Unless you grab MG4 lasgun with fullauto mod

Laspistol FullAuto is also hilarious

[midnight totem]

I tested out the accutran yesterday

Very accurate, very powerful

Potshot many ragers of both kinds in the face

Immense damage drop-off at range though, but that's to be expected

[crisp rapids]

rate my vraks

[junior grail]

Which one?

[midnight totem]

It's the faster firing laspistol

With less damage

[junior grail]

Yea its good gun

[midnight totem]

I need a good kantrael to test too

[junior grail]

Haven't found a use for the higher damaging one yet

[midnight totem]

I had one, but the stability was like, 50

[tacit sonnet]

Best blessings for mgXII?

[crisp rapids]

what do i use on this?what should i chage?

[midnight totem]

So it's recoil was bouncing harder then a colomnus

[crisp rapids]

or should i just give to hadron for onslaught?

cause 52% stopping power XD

[junior grail]

Sharpshooter and DeadltAccurate

[tiny summit]

Fuck you jk

[midnight totem]

Chainsword? I like shred and bloodletting, though others would recommend cleave and rampage or cleave and shred

[tiny summit]

Go into psyk and see if you hit breakpoints for dmg types

[junior grail]

Nice blessings and perks, though stats could be better

[tacit sonnet]

it's a lasgun

[tiny summit]

That's about it unless you want lvl 4 surgical

[crisp rapids]

:XD: i dont ontap ragers with a critheadshot

ig thats a breakpoint i need no?

[tacit sonnet]

sharpshooter?

[tiny summit]

I would put maniac. It's circumstantial to hit some breakpoints

[tacit sonnet]

did you mean headhunter or smth?

[crisp rapids]

i'll wait for a better recon

[tiny summit]

Flak is kinda eh except for maulers and flak ragers because you should reliably 1 tap scab gunners at that dmg. Charge rate could be better but you have lvl 4 onslaught.

I'm right now hunting for my perfect helbores at 80 dmg/stopping power and w/ okish charge. W/o MF stacks, kill zone, longshot or superiority complex a gray helbore mk1 needs 80 dmg to 1 tap dreg gunners

[midnight mortar]

It's not like mk1 and mk2 bores don't have room for an unarmored perk.

[tall torrent]

Harvest onslaught 4 because that 47% charge rate is going to feel horrible

[tiny summit]

Harvest once you get a better one. It'll feel alright until then

[crisp rapids]

ig so

yeah

ill just haverest

[midnight mortar]

Helbores have a lot of perk flexibility.

[crisp rapids]

am just perplxed ove rmy agrip headhunter

feeling like ass

[tall torrent]

HB1 perks can vary a lot

[crisp rapids]

depite beeing basically perfect

[tiny summit]

But I want to avoid that!

[tall torrent]

HB2 needs unarmored & maniac

[tiny summit]

Yea I guess harvest

[raw steppe]

Afaik only the vraks3 and 7 hhs are good

[crisp rapids]

yep

its grobage

[midnight mortar]

I mean, you can but it's not like something more important would go there for a breakpoint other than maniac.

[tall torrent]

Agrip 9 HH is sad

[white minnow]

my sight looks like this

[crisp rapids]

hits first headshot -> target is taggered -> second bullet passes right trough them

[tall torrent]

Low stability roll on headhunter autoguns really hurt them

[white minnow]

damn that image is blurry

oh well

[crisp rapids]

it lightlights the enemy?

[white minnow]

no that's just tag

[midnight mortar]

Sub 70 Stability = 0 follow up beyond like 15m.

[white minnow]

i have the tag skull off

[crisp rapids]

0 followup?

what followup mean, i have exec stance up

[tall torrent]

It directly impacts how much recoil is on the gun so yea

[floral sun]

What mod are you using to remove the basic crosshair?

[crisp rapids]

i have exec stance up

[white minnow]

crosshair remap

oh wait

[midnight mortar]

Ahh I thought you were talking out of exec stance.

[crisp rapids]

it shouldnt be like that

[white minnow]

from the sight?

you do it by setting a certain texture setting low

[tall torrent]

Oh then it’s just stagger being goofy

Part of the reason I like guns that 1 tap gunners in the head

[floral sun]

Ya, I know that's a sight from weapon customization mod, but i always had the ugly yellow one

[white minnow]

it should be "content/texture_categories/weapon_bca" in the user settings config iirc

[crisp rapids]

yeah like with exec stance up (which it is like 99% of fights anyway), my recoild should not be noticeable

[midnight mortar]

You can edit the appearance of the sight too as I recall.

[white minnow]

one of the weapon texture settings

[midnight mortar]

Stagger fucks up hitboxes in sorcerous ways.

[tiny summit]

At the in point in how much I play I want perfection. So naturally Hadron is gonna fuck me over for this year

[white minnow]

set this to -1 and you'll be good to go

[crisp rapids]

fuck

[floral sun]

through weapon customization mod? i didn't recall the option earlier

[tiny summit]

Yup

[midnight mortar]

"Didn't hurt."

[crisp rapids]

:XD:

do i really need 80% dmg?

[tiny summit]

Need that 80 dmg, something from the tree or unarmored

[floral sun]

50 stability gimps the weapon imo

[midnight mortar]

I think the Vraks HH can work with either 79 or 80.

The real concern is that 50 stability.

[crisp rapids]

i am running exec stance

[tiny summit]

A 79 dmg gray helbore says it does 1400 dmg and he stays alive

[crisp rapids]

stability should NOT be a problem

[tall torrent]

3k plasteel down the drain

Hadron still refuses to give me no respite 4 on helbore lasguns

[midnight mortar]

While this is true, you won't always be in exec stance.

[crisp rapids]

a crit without exec stance up kills.

[crisp rapids]

thats a lie

[floral sun]

idk how i feel about deadly accurate. opening salvo may be a better pick

[crisp rapids]

exec stance is alawys up

[midnight mortar]

It's nice to have a weapon not reliant on your ult to be accurate.

[crisp rapids]

tbh i am running my braced autogun setup, ideally id run a crit setpu

for this

[midnight mortar]

Crit fishing nets better damage than marginal 1st round % increases.

[crisp rapids]

without exec stance it does 999 dmg on a weakspot (but kills on a crit)

exec stance is so i dont rely on crits most of the time

[pearl belfry]

is there a general gameplay loop or build preference for laspistol vet? i'm leveling a second vet and trying to use las pistol but it seems kind of like a wet noodle

[crisp rapids]

i can always just run tag

or something

[tiny summit]

It's 35s w/ every highlight kill refreshes, specialist remove 6s and CD is during ability. Ult is giving it too much weight

[midnight mortar]

And yeah the HH needs crits for appreciable damage.

[floral sun]

it's a good roll for perks but i think you can roll a better gun for like 200k ordo

[raw steppe]

Are you hitting heads

And do you have the 30% crit from tree

[tall torrent]

Headhunter autoguns actually can be pretty nasty with MF

[crisp rapids]

if i tag ofc i kill

the exec stance is for dealing with shooter, which i wont wait for surgical or tag

[pearl belfry]

im not liek super familiar with all the vet talents since i play it the least generally but i'll look at incorporating as much crit from the skills

[tall torrent]

Crit focused close range (~15m) dps machine

[raw steppe]

Tldr laspistol does 0 dmg unless u crit or hs or both

[pearl belfry]

oh did you mean the 30% weakspot damage?

[crisp rapids]

yeah even like 1 stack on a gunner kills it

without critting

[raw steppe]

So you need 25% crit from Deadshot and 5% crit from right side

[pearl belfry]

ahhh so ADS is preferred for that bonus instead of hipfiring

[crisp rapids]

i am also not taking the weakspot dmg

[pearl belfry]

shame cause i like the hipfire gameplay

[raw steppe]

Yes you can 30% wkspot dmg as well afaik

[raw steppe]

Try shredder autogun

Its been nerfed but the stats support hipfire playstyle better

[crisp rapids]

yeha just nede to remove the toughness regen on the tag and put on weakspot

[raw steppe]

The non finesse playstyle

[crisp rapids]

and i kill basically any elite without needing crits

[raw steppe]

Laspistol multipliers unfortunately are too tied to crit and weakspot

[pearl belfry]

i see, thanks

[raw steppe]

I think its something like

2x or 2.5x dmg on crit/hs

Compared to shredder or brauto at 1.14x

So you can kinda bodyshot with those with less care

[crisp rapids]

:XD: frenzy and splitter carries do much dmg

u really dont need headshots

[raw steppe]

You kinda do

[umbral garnet]

Question vets

[raw steppe]

Otherwise you're just vacuuming the ammo and getting carried

Assuming you're in A5s

[crisp rapids]

wrong

agrpi mk8 fucking carves holes into hordes and elites

super fast

by the time u reach on the elite in the middle of the horde u have already stacked everything to mak

[umbral garnet]

Which new shovel is

Good

[raw steppe]

I mean you're talking about shooting into horde

[crisp rapids]

to kill elites?

u shoot into the horde, carve a hole into the elite, kill the elite cause u ahve max stacks of deathsplitter

and frenzy

[raw steppe]

People who shoot poxwalkers are like... 😹

[crisp rapids]

exect stance on top 👌

u need to shoot them, to stack up the frenzy

[raw steppe]

Umm lmao

[crisp rapids]

before u start mowing down the elites mixed in

[barren cave]

Which is the best chainsword on vet

[raw steppe]

Generally its better to just shoot the special/elite

And also ff and ds only work at 7< range

[crisp rapids]

theres usually horde in front of them

[crisp rapids]

once stacked

they stay any range no?

the dmg buff

[raw steppe]

So on brautos, the blessings dont really matter that much

[crisp rapids]

its a damage buff when u get a close range kill, but u can then shoot anywhere

[crisp rapids]

wrong?

[raw steppe]

At least they matter less than the base stat and flakiac perkset

[raw steppe]

No lol

Ff is close range dmg

[crisp rapids]

on death splitter is jus tpower

fire frenzy needs to be close range

[raw steppe]

6% power 😹

[crisp rapids]

its decent

also shotgunners

[raw steppe]

Both need to be stacked from close range

[barren cave]

Is that how it works? I didn't know that. If that's true then tooltips need a real heavy revision

[crisp rapids]

are usually close range

[raw steppe]

Not really lol

[crisp rapids]

yes realyl?

[raw steppe]

7< is tiny

[crisp rapids]

nah

its like pretyt good shotgunner range

from my experience

cleaving hordes instantly to shoot at any elite mixed in

seems veyr good ot me

[raw steppe]

I mean at 15m it was decent, but after the nerf to 8m

[barren cave]

What else would you run on brauto if not ds and ff anyway

[raw steppe]

Its pretty mediocre

[crisp rapids]

its decent still

[raw steppe]

You absolutely run those lol

[barren cave]

Right

[raw steppe]

But they dont matter that much

Not as much as stats and perks

[crisp rapids]

also it stacks up to 5

6.5% power -> 5x

[raw steppe]

After the close range nerf its pretty unnoticeable most of the time

Unless you're shooting poxwalkers

And at that point its like... 😅

[barren cave]

8 metres isn't so bad , it's not all the time sure but it does happen quite a bit

[crisp rapids]

32.5% power increase on close range kill.

not close range dmg like fire frenzy, just raw power on close raneg kill

yeah shoot at the horde and keep clearving untill u see the gunners

the agrip mows down anything in front of it

stacks up to 5

from my hotbar (at least it seems)

to be stacking

[raw steppe]

Ye I mean its nice to have against ragers and sometimes shotgunners. But it really doesnt matter that much

[crisp rapids]

with deathsplitter vs without.

i am not even in close range

[raw steppe]

The problem is that I see people

Putting DS and FF on

And leaving 8% weakspot and 15% sprint eff

Or have weapons with 60~ stats on the important ones

Just so they can prioritize the blessings

[crisp rapids]

5 stacks on both, long range

no stacks

it does matter

a LOT

and the dmg increase is pretty substancial

weirdly when very close. the dmg barelly increases

[tiny summit]

I like sprinting

[crisp rapids]

UHHHH wtf

it seems it considers the buff active as long as i am in close range of a enemy

:XD:

WTF

i dont know whats happening

[lunar frost]

does anyone else think vet's keystones desperately need buffs/changes?

[crisp rapids]

or why my dmg goes to 400+ at long range after staking that shit up

[lunar frost]

they look horrible to me

[crisp rapids]

all i know is it fucking works

per shot with 5 stacks close range and exec up

shooting about 8 times a second

thats 4k dps

4.6k dps

thats pretty nice

and for some ungodly reason i seem to keep the buffs even when away

so yeha

i'll say PRETTY FUKCING GOOD

[junior grail]

They all require active attention to be useful while other classes are either passive or easy enough that it doesnt change gameplay

[crisp rapids]

just exec stance does 350 ish.
no exec stance does 280ish

[native furnace]

The vet keystone to give a bunch of bonuses for marking targets doesn't require much active attention if you're already helping your team out.

[lunar frost]

yeah, but especially the left and right tree literally encourage bad gameplay

[crisp rapids]

left is extremelly sweaty to make use of

[lunar frost]

not great though, you should be marking constantly to make sure everyone can see elites

[crisp rapids]

right is very situational and is basically playing not zealot™️

[native furnace]

Yeah? And that works. The stacks stack up if you do one at a time on a bunch of elites.

[junior grail]

For those who are used to marking, yes. I have friends who still absolutely never marks enemies

[lunar frost]

it relies on you waiting like 6 seconds to get a small damage boost

[lunar frost]

right is soooo bad

[native furnace]

Skill issue. 😉

[lunar frost]

it's just not worth the skill investment to wait 6 full seconds for a 20 second damage boost

[native furnace]

Left-hand tree is useful if you score lots of headshots, so yeah, it's the sweat tree.

[native furnace]

You don't wait.

[lunar frost]

with an actually good build, you can kill an elite in 6 seconds

[native furnace]

You just mark, then mark again, then mark again. If you only get 1 stack every time, they build and reset the buff duration.

[junior grail]

None of my builds use keystones haha

[lunar frost]

ah sorry, TEN SECONDS for max stacks

[native furnace]

You don't need to wait for max stacks.

[lunar frost]

1 stack is 4% damage mate

[native furnace]

Yes, it is, and you build up.

Kill two mobs with one stack each, you're at 8%

Oh, I'm sorry, I mean the buff it gives your team

Not the one it debuffs the mob with.

[lunar frost]

your stacks reset after you tag a mob

the damage buff to your team is ameasly 1.5% damage per stack

[junior grail]

I rather have unlimited grenades for my builds haha

[lunar frost]

it's just pretty worthless overall

[barren cave]

None of my vet builds use keystones either

[lunar frost]

I see we've both watched that one youtube video on why the keystones suck lmao

[native furnace]

1,5% * however many stacks built up over lots of kills is substantial enough to hit breakpoints.

[junior grail]

Ayy

[native furnace]

Lol... yeah, the nade builds with no keystones are fun.

[crisp rapids]

very VERYYYY WRONG

[lunar frost]

1. It only lasts 10 seconds, which is how long it takes you to build to max stacks of the main perk

It's 10 seconds

[crisp rapids]

u should pick the left and or right addon for it

[barren cave]

I just run down the right line instead of getting keystones and get good vibes stuff like trench attacker and onslaught

[crisp rapids]

the elft regens toughness which is never bad

[lunar frost]

left is ok

[junior grail]

It's sad, cause I think the keystones look fun. Just annoying to put them in practice sacrificing other talents that make Vet strong

[lunar frost]

right is downright

bad

[native furnace]

It resets if you get another kill.

[crisp rapids]

but the right, u can give your team a PERMANENT 1.5*5% dmg bonus

IF

[lunar frost]

maximum of 7.5% damage boost to your team for 10 seconds

[crisp rapids]

u know how to play

[lunar frost]

it's not permanent

[crisp rapids]

if u tag and kill any enemy

it refreshes

at max stacks

[lunar frost]

and also 1.5% is ASS

[crisp rapids]

so as long as u keep tagging and killing at 1 stack

[native furnace]

So you can keep 12% damage up on your team all the time with Redirect Fire.

[crisp rapids]

but u have a max stack buff running

it will just refresh the buff

[lunar frost]

I'm sorry but literally all of these damage buffs can be much more easily replaced with BETTER perks from the rest of the tree

[crisp rapids]

at max stacks

:XD:

its a TEAM BUFF

[lunar frost]

refreshing the buff is still worthless

[crisp rapids]

no it isnt

[lunar frost]

7.5% is NOTHING

[crisp rapids]

IT IS PRETTY FUCKING GOOD

what u talking about

[native furnace]

That's a two-hit-kill breakpoint on some mobs like crushers.

[lunar frost]

my brother in christ, it gets through almost no breakpoints

[crisp rapids]

for the palsma gun it reaches cruhser breakpoints

[lunar frost]

you could just run an infinite grenade build and generate much more value

it's simply not worth so many skill points to invest for a below 10% damage increase

[crisp rapids]

so many weapons would need 1 less bullet to kill a elite (or evne 2 less bullets)

its a team buff

its overall 7.5 *4

[junior grail]

My suggestions.

Left keystone stacks disappear with time or on hit
Mid keystone applies to everyones tag
Right keystone... not sure tbh seems decent enough to me

[native furnace]

32% damage buff against bosses or large elites is valuable (max stacks). 12% damage buff for your whole team is valuable. (Combined if both are rolling that'd be a solid 44% damage buff against that boss or big mob.)

[crisp rapids]

so many great revolvers miss the crusher 2 hit breakpoint cause of it.

[native furnace]

Like, say you like grenades better. Okay. Nobody's going to argue with your pref.

[lunar frost]

or you could just... take better perks?

and get to the breakpoint while having a better build?

[crisp rapids]

the current "plasma"build needs that

for the breakpoint

plasma build tm

cause u still want to uhh be alive

[tiny summit]

Damn. Nice shovel

[lunar frost]

32% buff against bosses is not justifiable considering the swarms are the majority of your encounter

[crisp rapids]

this game isnt just damage u know?

[eternal sable]

thanks ..

[lunar frost]

that's exactly why the perk is bad

[eternal sable]

i just got the perfect roll after 1600 hours

[crisp rapids]

no this is why u take the perk

its already down a very good tree.

and u can help your team

regen their toughness

u kinda go for that tree anyway for many reasons

[tiny summit]

This is my first shovel. I envy your stat roll though

[crisp rapids]

so u take that. and lets u keep using other survival focused points

[eternal sable]

thats a good shovel bro

[lunar frost]

if you just didn't take that keystone, you could go for more survival focused points in greater volume

[eternal sable]

max damage roll is like 212

[crisp rapids]

like what

[eternal sable]

so youre not far off

[lunar frost]

3 points on a skill for maximum 16% damage bonus on an enemy is crazy expensive

[crisp rapids]

confirmed kill and exhilerating takedown beeing at the top of the tree

is soo fucking good

[lunar frost]

and again, all of these claims about breakpoints assume you're waiting for max stacks (8) which takes SIXTEEN SECONDS

[junior grail]

I can hit 1 charged bp on plasma for Crusher without keystones, am happy

[lunar frost]

that is crazy long to wait

[crisp rapids]

u only need 5 sacks

and once they are applied

[tiny summit]

I'm fucking invincible vs gunners with helbore ET + CK + Iron Will

[lunar frost]

again, 10 seconds is AGES

[crisp rapids]

u just need to refresh the duration

just refresh the duration

at the start of a combat u will have it maxed

[lunar frost]

you're giving up your ability to tag anything for a whole 10 seconds just to kill one guy faster?

[crisp rapids]

no

u dont get it right?

[lunar frost]

no, I do

[crisp rapids]

so, start a combat at max stacks? ok?

[lunar frost]

I'm asking why you'd do that

[crisp rapids]

u mark someone, now u have the 7.5% dmg buff

now mark again (at 0 stacks), and kill them

the 7.5% dmg buff gets refreshed

u dont have to wait

to mark.

:XD:

and keep the 7.5

[lunar frost]

are you telling me you're investing all the way into that tree for a 7.5% damage buff 💀

[junior grail]

I wonder how many run Exec Stance and Infiltrate now...

[crisp rapids]

the tree itself

is very good

[tiny summit]

Yes max stack redirect fire buff applies to your team and is refreshed off the next tag even with 1 stack

[lunar frost]

it is, but why go so far into that try when other perks will be more valuable

[junior grail]

I will say, if I had to choose then mid tree keystone is the least troublesome to us3

[cerulean wind]

gentlemen, i got sunder rolled on my mk6 ps. is it any good? how does it compare to slau?
presumably, since it's mk6, i'll be using it more with light attacks, and t4 cycler of course.

[tiny summit]

Team value

[crisp rapids]

demolition is great if u cant take the regen every 60 seconds

and procs a LOT at higher difficulties

[tiny summit]

Join MF supremacy

[lunar frost]

demolition team is probably one of their best perks tbf

[crisp rapids]

irno will prolly

[junior grail]

I like Sunder, I know there's someone who strongly supports Sunder too. Though the general appeal is Brutal Momentum

[lunar frost]

but like why bother going further into the tree when you already have bring it down

[crisp rapids]

cause trying to go down on another tree isnt really easy once u already that down

also from bring it down its literally 1 point

[tiny summit]

You're using the power sword to energize. Might as well go all it

[crisp rapids]

bring it down is right here

[junior grail]

What gun?

[crisp rapids]

u going to go all the way to another tree?

[tiny summit]

Helbores or infantry las

[crisp rapids]

when u can keep regening toughness, tagging, etc etc.

[lunar frost]

true, but what if you took something like deadshot instead

[fierce steeple]

Demo team + all the nade perks turn you into a walking mortarman essentially. On aurics I'm never out of nades.

[tiny summit]

Luv me MF helbores

[crisp rapids]

why would i run deadshot on a agrip mk8

[lunar frost]

MF is much better than middle tree imo

[tiny summit]

Throw 2 at minimum

[crisp rapids]

why would i run deadshot if i am not a crit build

[tiny summit]

You'll get them back

[lunar frost]

still very unintuitive since MF literally incentivises not moving in a game where standing still is a bit silly

[crisp rapids]

just hit more heads

[lunar frost]

crit is almost always good in my experience

[fierce steeple]

yah the throw 2 pops way more than I thought it would. it feels like 50% chance not 20

[lunar frost]

either way deadshot is just an example

[crisp rapids]

some weapons dont benefit a lot frmo crits

[sharp ember]

it's an OK sidegrade if you use it for its intended purpose, which is swinging into mixed elite hordes without stopping to stagger them back. Otherwise BM is overall better to increase your kills-per swing against trash

[crisp rapids]

like brautos

MF can be exrtemelly valuable but u need to be extremelyl precise and give up a bit on movement

[sharp ember]

it shoud allow you to swing at bulwark shields and keep going

[lunar frost]

this is exactly why I'm reluctant to go for keystones

[crisp rapids]

none gonna baby sit you to take shots most of the time (altho a smite psyker can make that easier)

[tiny summit]

Nah. Just don't think about it. Game of darktide has MANY moments where people are moving unnecessarily and every poxwalker is a free 3 stacks

[lunar frost]

veteran is SUCH an expensive skill tree

[crisp rapids]

u dont HAVE to go for heystone.

its jsut very good to go for one

[lunar frost]

ah true

[tiny summit]

Oh I just mean actually throw 2 everything because you'll get them back anyways

[lunar frost]

hmmm I might try MF then actually

[crisp rapids]

if i gave up on mine i would get some other things

[lunar frost]

it's the least shit out of all of them

imo

because the finesse damage goes CRAZY on a hellbore crit headshot

and also no ammo used up on a crit? Nuts

[crisp rapids]

its not as easy

[lunar frost]

hellbore + left tree can be insane if you just click heads very well

[tiny summit]

I like camo and tunnel vision. Free stacks and more toughness regen off ET and CK

[lunar frost]

easier said than done

but still

[crisp rapids]

psykarnium main when the game isnt standing still

[tiny summit]

Very easy

[cerulean wind]

if only we could mount a holo sight on a hellbore.

[lunar frost]

(I'm shit at precision)

[tiny summit]

Becomes very satisfying with a few stacks ragers are being 1 tapped w/ mk2

[spark helm]

I'd say it's easier when you're already figuring out how to be nuts with it.

[fierce steeple]

ah. I like to take all the nade perks, since I usually run plasma I have shredder nades on and love to spam the nades whenever a horde pops up or things get kinda dicey. Have saved many a teammate and match that way

[lunar frost]

tbf tactical awareness is absolutely insane as well

krak grenades are soooo stupid it's nice

so are shredders

[lunar frost]

that one video by tetuous turned me in favour of a grenade build

[spark helm]

Love me marksman focus, genuinely a fun way for approaching the game because of how contradictory it can be. But I think people keep forgetting that you can definitely juice up the keystone with any weapon at their more appropriate ranges.

But some totally get more out of it than others.

[lunar frost]

just very hard on higher difficulties to have a moment of calm on vet lmao

[crisp rapids]

weapons with only horizontal recoil can benefit a LOT

[spark helm]

And yes, demolition team is fucking phenomenal. I love it.

[crisp rapids]

since u cna lineup heads

however i find that MF is super easy to stack when the game is going fine

[fierce steeple]

havent seen that vid, but yeah the nades are just so good having a non stop stockpile to throw whenever a group of baddies show up and you need to create distance is very nice

[spark helm]

Vet exe stance validation goes crazy in shock trooper gauntlets with it.

[crisp rapids]

but once it goes "oh shit"

[crisp rapids]

:its fucking amazing on HISTG

i find VERY hard to stack up MF on a ohshit moment

[lunar frost]

unreal perk

[spark helm]

Which one is that? I'm mostly doing the most on mf with my ye olde infantry lasguns.

[lunar frost]

the more I look into veteran, the more I regret not having played it more (don't have many good weapons for it rn)

[crisp rapids]

high intensity shock troo gauntlet

i use my agirp mk8

and just feel like am playing fucking hotline miamy

ironwill and confirmed kill

NON STOP

[lunar frost]

right tree keystone is begging for a rework though 💀

[tiny summit]

Helbores. Though I need to roll some better infantry lasguns

[crisp rapids]

• the ocasional headshots make sme invincible

[spark helm]

Heavy disagree.

[tiny summit]

Nah. It's just a mixed towards melee playstyle

[crisp rapids]

deathsplitter and frenzy making my gun do insane dps and i dont even have to hit heads

[native furnace]

Right-hand tree opens up shovel builds that one-shot crushers. 😛

[shadow aurora]

Right grenade definitely needs a rework

[spark helm]

Weapon specialist goes wild. You do need to directly execute your stuff regularly. Right tree straight up requires direct active input compared to something like heavy middle tree builds

[lunar frost]

I just can't see the benefit of randomly pulling out your melee weapon in the middle of ranged combat or vice verse

[crisp rapids]

i find dificult to use the right grenade

[lunar frost]

it's very unintuitive

[spark helm]

Thats the thing, it's up to you.

[native furnace]

Well I mean... you get ambushed while doing ranged, you pull your melee weapon, it's suddenly buffed.

[spark helm]

And the encouragement and reality of it plays out pretty immediately.

[crisp rapids]

very good on on shit melee time

momentos

and switching back n forth from ranged to melee

its pertty nice

[native furnace]

You're doing melee and need to kill a sniper, or unload a bolter or pistol that has the "regenerate toughness as your empty your clip," and you have an oh-shit button.

[lunar frost]

I think it feels to much like an 'oh shit I'm being rushed' choice rather than what a keystone should be

[spark helm]

No shade, stop playing safe.

Like fr.

[lunar frost]

but maybe it's just not for me 👍

[spark helm]

Aggression is typically better for wep spec

[tiny summit]

Someone hasnt experience the bliss of going through an entire mission without manually reloading the revolver

[crisp rapids]

a lot of this game isnt planning for when the horde comes out neatelyl in front of you

[lunar frost]

GUH

[lunar frost]

that does sound good tbf

[spark helm]

And sweating a bit keeps you alive longer than being overly cautious when your dmg is ramped up and you're spinning blessings and all that good stuff.

[crisp rapids]

its knowing what the fuck to do when the 5 crushers maulers and zoiked ragers appear

[tiny summit]

Lop the head of a poxwalker, boom 25% dmg for your revolver for the random flamer

[crisp rapids]

dont forget the extra stamina for deadshot

[lunar frost]

for me that's called playing ogrny lmao

[spark helm]

You're sort of closer to a zealot in that regard. Your aggression becomes your better defense. You just have to make sure you're not completely losing your presence of mind since you just can't get away with the same things as other classes

[tiny summit]

I don't do weapon specialist much. But I do love onslaught for my columnus builds

[lunar frost]

I’m just not sure why you wouldn’t play a zealot instead of running WS

[crisp rapids]

tbh zealots dont get away with anything since they all play wiht more tunnel vision than a kid going for candy on a stanger's van

[lunar frost]

💀

[spark helm]

When I shrimply don't care for it

[tiny summit]

Zealot doesn't get free ammo

[crisp rapids]

zealot fucking sucks

[lunar frost]

Fair

I’d have to disagree

[spark helm]

By any of that logic, veteran shouldn't even be getting touched since so many other classes do what veteran can do explosively better in most cases. They're just tailored more heavily to do those deviations you can get from veteran builds.

[tiny summit]

Zealot kinda gets bonuses for melee focus. Right tree gets to bounce back and forth

[lunar frost]

I think veteran can be extremely useful when built properly in a way no other class can

[spark helm]

Luckily, every class right now is in a pretty goofy state in terms of power. You're not going to be an ogryn on most days. That's fine

Don't need to be, you're still getting your dps out and proving your dumb as hell support utility

And shit, some builds aren't going to be doing heavy dmg or topping some things in whatever scoreboard shit since your mission with whatever build can be completely focused on whatever else.

Won't say, get top boss dmg running a starter shovel and lasgun, but you're not at all at a loss.

[crisp rapids]

agrip mk8 exec stance

go on free bird solos

none can stop you

unless crushers appear

[tall torrent]

There’s that versatility aspect that’s not expressed in crunching numbers

[crisp rapids]

atw hich point run

[crisp rapids]

big

amongus autogun shocases this off pretty well

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re crunching every breakpoint and optimizing for the most godroll weapons to 1 tap everything, the reality is, the consistencies of those things vary a lot in actual gameplay

[lunar frost]

I really like the slug shotgun

[tall torrent]

More than half the time you’re not gonna be getting easy headshot 1 taps on plasma or helbore

[spark helm]

And your dmg with that is a lot more dependent on actually clapping threats already vulnerable to those killpoints. So why give a damn? You're about to generate toughness, keep yours up, have your other ramp passoves up AND guaranteeing say, the death of everything with gun?

Hey, hey...it's free real estate. Krak avenue. Ogryn nuke Boulevard, immolation grenade grove.

[torn needle]

Veteran is fun because power sword go shwoosh

[tall torrent]

And team fire is real in this game, your teammates’ contributions, be it small or big, will change your breakpoints up

On top of RNG critical hits

[spark helm]

It's fucking goony.

[tiny summit]

Vet is funny because bayonet tops boss dmg

[spark helm]

I love that they genuinely dropped saltzpyre tag on a class with a kruber yell and said fuck it, let's literally boost your boons on pings more.

[safe flower]

Are the VIIs still good? And is this decent?

[torn needle]

You can hit one shot hs all ranged elites and specials with plasma with no crits

[spark helm]

Also, speaking of, why are some mfkers strictly refusing to ping because they see yellow? Ping shit

[torn needle]

[tiny summit]

Throw in kerillian because you have a spear

[tall torrent]

Ik, but a lot of the times you’re not getting “easy headshots”

[spark helm]

If veteran could hope to be as fun, I'd agree.

[tall torrent]

Above 30m headshots become basically RNG in this game unless you have zoomed sights like Vraks headhunter or exe stance to further zoom

[torn needle]

I mean I get headshots pretty easily with plasma but it depends on the person

[spark helm]

A zealot or psyker like polearm would be dope.

Idk 40k

[torn needle]

Even really far away, the crosshair and hip fire make it really easy

[spark helm]

Power spear would be cool

[tiny summit]

Force glaive plz fatshark

[junior grail]

My own friends are like that, I apologise on their behalf

[torn needle]

Vet turned into dragoon

[spark helm]

It's not like, the worst thing but people gotta remember that information is never a bad thint

[junior grail]

Krieg Riders got that Hunting Lance with an explosive speartip

[dapper vessel]

yes

you just want to switch Falter to Deadly Accurate, and get rid of Sprint Efficiency for something like Flak or Maniac

[spark helm]

Still thinking about some people actually standing by focus target being bad.

Troll or not, m8wot?

[junior grail]

Agreed, as annoying as the ping lmb spam is. Its more useful than none

[tall torrent]

Falter to deadly accurate
Sprint efficiency to whatever that gives u both gunner 1 tap headshots

[tiny summit]

1 year and still no 2 handed weapon for ogryn. It's bullshit

[muted knot]

Pretty sure it's a meltagrenade too

[tiny summit]

Fatshark make guns with gun bash use the knife if equipped

[junior grail]

DIDSOMEONESAYMELTA?!!

Reeeeèeeeeeeee

[safe flower]

Thanks :3

[spark helm]

I think people might be a bit too anxious with it and just ping shit that's sometimes just easier to deal with it your defense is tight enough.

The amount of times I've just learned that someone just refuses to split their pings is a little much. Strictly for people doing that league type shit

[safe flower]

Ty! Gonna get to that right away

[spark helm]

"If it's not immediately in my roles kit I won't do x"

[junior grail]

Also guess what, Krieg Officers(and other Guard officers) have cavalry swords too hmmmmm

stares at psyker

[lunar frost]

hmmmm

[junior grail]

League? I don't get that reference

[tiny summit]

Need a force dueling sword. Specifically the DS4 poke with allowing me to block bullets

[junior grail]

Imagine if Vets got Duelling Swords

[junior grail]

They couldve done this. Psyker Laspistol is a sign that they could have made Psyker flavoured versions of common weapons

[spark helm]

Just sniping league player logics that are common.

Basically some people believe that because something might be more tailored through someone's class and/or role choice they must be the only ones to do the thing when it's within their ability to also do.

Think like refusing to buy ward items that get rid of fog of war because typically supports have not only a bigger supply and thus more range, but end up spending expendable gold on those items regularly.

Even though they also have like, two and some money for a stronger ward for example.

[junior grail]

Ahhh i never played a league type game

[crystal ember]

melk you magnificent bastard i apologize for every mean word i've said to you

[junior grail]

Massage his beard as apology

[tiny summit]

Obs wards in dota 2 are free and mids still expect to be handheld

[spark helm]

It's just something I've noticed in cooperative and competitive team games. Sometimes people get way too caught up in static role description instead of doing whatever x thing they also can just do at no cost to themselves

Which just, helps make the job of the specialized person ro said role/class to do their shit even better.

[crystal ember]

what blessing does mk6 sword want

[spark helm]

Oh it's like that now? Lol

[crystal ember]

is it just slaughterer?

[tiny summit]

Been like that for a while. Mids will still whine about not having a ward

[junior grail]

BiS atm is Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum

Though i personally use Sunder instead of BM

[crystal ember]

i see

sunder is brittleness on energized right

[tall torrent]

Sunder is extra cleave on energized hits

[crystal ember]

ah

[tall torrent]

Allows u to cleave a minimum of 4 targets no matter what you’re hitting

Without sunder it doesn’t cleave through every single enemy

[crystal ember]

interesting

is there any perks advised for it? seemed like push attack really just killed most things in the first hit

minus ogryn enemies

[tiny summit]

I like maniac/carapace

[tall torrent]

Maniac/carapace/unyielding

[tall torrent]

Sunder is also BiS because it fills a role no other veteran melee can do

[umbral scaffold]

MMO brainrot

[tall torrent]

And this really shows in the Karnak HM fight

[umbral scaffold]

They will "not my problem" everything they find mildly out of their role

[junior grail]

Hit guys next to Bulwarks

[umbral scaffold]

I have a fucking aneurysm each time I'm told psyker's role is hordes and vet's role is elites/specialists

Like it was just that simple

And then we get braindead ranged vets who screech each time a poxwalker hits them because all they think about is shooting at shooters

[tall torrent]

Not just that, being able to hit basically everything standing in front of you is pretty huge

Stagger mass ragers and maulers

[junior grail]

One of my friends starting out refused to fire his Bolter at normal shooters to conserve ammo though everyone else was busy tackling the horde

[umbral scaffold]

Or smite spammers who moan each time they hold 1 (one) rager in place and the team doesn't instantly abandon everything they're doing to slap that rager

[junior grail]

This always feels so good

Anyone use powersword mk3 anymore?

[native furnace]

Oh yeah, MK3 is still amazing.

Wide heavies.

[junior grail]

When you said Moan, I instinctly heard the Seer's voice

[crude ermine]

Had multiple plasma vets do that

[tiny summit]

I'm mag dumping every group on my zealot

[junior grail]

Is it just me or is powersword 6 faster with charge anim block cancel than the mk 3?

[crude ermine]

Those 4 poxwalkers will never know what hit em

[tall torrent]

Psykers who exclusively smite 90% the time are the actual worst

[tiny summit]

If I got ammo and I feel like it "eh why not?"

[junior grail]

Don't let the team notice that one poxwalker miss though

[crude ermine]

I would implode if they did

[native furnace]

They're the best for Zealots getting their "kill stunned enemies" penance! 😉

[tall torrent]

It has to be stunned by the zealots’ own grenade? Pretty sure Smite doesn’t even count for that one

[umbral scaffold]

Today I think I used smite once

And it was the moment the airlock opened and we had 1 bulwark and 3 crushers

That was a clear case of "damage and dodging is not enough" because no one has anywhere to dodge

[junior grail]

Anyone had those bizarre moments where an entire platoon of Crushers just spawn out of nowhere

[tall torrent]

Psyker blitzes are weird

Brain burst is basically not relevant without ES
Assail is not fun without ES and suffers from pathing issues
Smite is not good 90% the time (the other 10% it’s the literal run saver) and has the best pathing

[umbral scaffold]

Assail only headshots when it wants to

It's the kind of volatile behaviour Katy Perry makes songs about

[white minnow]

it's faster with it yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Best part is BB locking you out of the crit aura

Or was it another part of the tree?

[white minnow]

assail is fun with quickswap and the pathing is fine unless enemies are just in the way of your crosshair

[umbral scaffold]

Can't have nice things

[tall torrent]

Assail can’t take psykinetic’s aura and that is big sad

[white minnow]

yeah you can get locked out of the crit/elite dmg auras depending on which side you come from

[umbral scaffold]

Me foolishly expecting to get one with the warp and crit aura at the same time

[white minnow]

and from the right side, you have to path through mind in motion to get to the cd aura

[tall torrent]

Elite dmg aura is not good

Cooldown aura is best
Crit aura is alright

[umbral scaffold]

What if we made fire team, but even more limited

They should make a psyker aura that regens 0.5% ammo every 50 groaner kills

[hearty panther]

i actually dig mind in motion now

call it stockholm syndrome

[white minnow]

tragic

[tall torrent]

Mind in motion is ok

But the 30% quell speed one is more useful most of the time

[potent lichen]

I'm building a melee veteran with weapon specialist and I realize...

Is shout or stealth better for melee?

[serene bough]

Shout more often

[tall torrent]

Shout is safer & more purpose

[serene bough]

Its easier to spam

[tiny summit]

Depends but shout isn't ever gonna be bad

[tall torrent]

Stealth suffers from additional talent tax on top of the fact that you’re not zealot

[tiny summit]

And yea more spammy and therefore more For The Emperor buff uptime

[tall torrent]

Stealth needs some of its modifiers just baked into the base ability

[junior grail]

Thoughts on the Shout Revive?

[tall torrent]

-50% toughness dmg should just be default in the ability

[tiny summit]

Better to just top up your teammates toughness w/o the added CD

[tiny summit]

Threat reduction would make more sense baked in

[tall torrent]

It’s like the smite equivalent of veteran

95% the time it’s actively hurting your build

5% the time it’ll save the run

[tall torrent]

Fuck it, move both into base stealth

[tiny summit]

Greedy

[crisp rapids]

someone said supression just doesnt happen with a brauto

like

i dnot get supressed

is that true?

[tiny summit]

The gun is drunk on its own

[crisp rapids]

smite is greatm, what u talking about

[tall torrent]

Not sure, didn’t test
But you don’t really care about being suppressed

[serene bough]

Suppression is only felt on ADS heavy weapons

[junior grail]

I only care about being depressed aha...

[tall torrent]

Smite does too little dmg for the time you have to actively hold it down when you could be using ur weapons to actually kill stuff

Smite however is extremely strong in situations where things have gone FUBAR and can genuinely save your mission

[tiny summit]

<1% of the time rezzing someone who got downed at the ledge of a drop down point

[serene bough]

Pls no depression ony slaughtering heretics

[shrewd acorn]

How can I improve this?

[crisp rapids]

EP smite

[tiny summit]

Most players are bad and therefore smite is good.

[tall torrent]

Is still really bad in damage

[crisp rapids]

wrong

but allright

[tall torrent]

The base damage is so low that giving +125% is still really low

[crisp rapids]

125 dps

on every enemy

it clears hordes

and finishes any special/elites leftover

from non good shots

[tiny summit]

Low dmg for easy no threat kills for the team. It annoys far less than the people that actually like it

[tall torrent]

125 dps is minuscule idk what to tell u

You could be actively killing way more things much faster with your actual weapons

[junior grail]

At least not as bad as the other Venting Shriek modifier

[tall torrent]

Smite is very very strong for the CC aspect, and it has the best pathing

[junior grail]

I hope smite lmb is changed to be more useful

[tall torrent]

Being able to hold mass ragers, bulwark packs and crushers still is a massive benefit

But it should not be used as your dmg tool

[serene bough]

I've never once visited psyker chat in my entire 1+ years playing this game

So when people discuss psyker perks I feel like a total noob

[tiny summit]

Don't they are heretics

[junior grail]

More so than Zealots?

[tall torrent]

It’s useful in some situations but a lot of the times it’s better to have that 4th player actively killing stuff instead of having to hold a horde down

And dealing minuscule dps while doing so

[tiny summit]

For most players that lack horde management, it's definitely gonna be helpful

[crude fiber]

zealot chat just goes on random tangents a lot. not to say that doesnt happen here but its like an everyday thing there

[serene bough]

90% of my time is in vet chat 10% in ogryn chat so thank you

[tall torrent]

Yea that definitely influences some people’s opinions

[serene bough]

Can't enjoy psyker

[tiny summit]

But gun psyker

[tall torrent]

I’m always of the idea that smite is good in the right application but not worth using (over your weapons) most of the time

[serene bough]

Never heard of her

[junior grail]

Anywhere else is Scryers Gaze useful? Haha

[crude fiber]

if i wanna use a gun ill play any other class. would rather use the staffs on psyker

[tiny summit]

This is the correct way of thinking.

[tiny summit]

If you really like living on the peril edge, people use scriers and void

[tall torrent]

And smite has the added benefit of having the best pathing in Psyker’s tree lol

[junior grail]

Im literally shaking thinking about the peril

[tiny summit]

But have you ever laspistol/columnus mag dumped into a monstrosity w/ sciers?

[tall torrent]

SG is probably the strongest ability in the game if you’re playing it right, which ironically usually doesn’t involve using crazy magic powers with a staff

It gives you a ton of damage, crit chance, move speed and TDR

[tiny summit]

Sometimes I like throwing an assail shard or 2 during sciers when it's only like a few secs from going from 0 to 100 peril

[tall torrent]

If veterans had some “combat focus” ability that did what SG did, it would be veteran’s strongest ability, easily

[tiny summit]

We do. Exe

[shadow aurora]

I wish vet had an aoe focused weapon like a grenade launcher

Or rocket launcher

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t feed crits or give TDR and move speed

[junior grail]

A bazooka

[shadow aurora]

Im thinking one of those quad barrel bazookas

[junior grail]

With no friendly fire haha

[tiny summit]

Fatshark will give it like negative splash dmg

[shadow aurora]

I just want to cave is skulls with a fast hunk of metal

[tiny summit]

Have you ever seen the splash dmg from grenade gauntlet?

Fucking pitiful

[shadow aurora]

Gauntlet needs a buff bad

[tall torrent]

AoE dmg scaling (from center) is bad and vet prob has the best AoE tool in the game already

[shadow aurora]

Who cares

[serene bough]

I would like a grenade launcher

If DoW1 guardsmen can use one so can we

[shadow aurora]

One of those revolving drum mags with the grenades in it would be cool

[tall torrent]

milkor RGL?

would be cool but prob won't be added

[shadow aurora]

Yeah

Who knows fatsharks mind is an enigma

https://tenor.com/view/bigbenera-we-patrick-star-milk-gif-22477451

[serene bough]

Don't forget the bayonet

[tired ember]

If the God-Emperor of Mankind didn't want me to put a bayonet on my grenade launcher, why did he put such a convenient spot for a big knife? Checkmate heretics

[junior grail]

Always spammed Grenade Launchers playing IG back in DoW

[tired ember]

Unless you were playing against SM or 'crons, then you wanted all plasma all the time

[junior grail]

Imagine Crucian Roulette on Grenade Launcher haha

[junior grail]

Plasma and one squad to tie up the warriors

Unless the Flayed Ones start popping up, then gg

[tired ember]

Putting a commissar in your plasma squad and then executing a guy was OP

[serene bough]

I always used grenade launchers on space marines/csm

Otherwise plasma

[muted gorge]

is this actually for melee only or is it actually ranged too? the icon makes it look melee only

[junior grail]

Wasnt commissar execute changed so that it only affected lasguns?

[brazen bay]

bruh its been well over a month since melk has had anything worth a damn in his shop, I have all these odos burning a hole in my pocket

[serene bough]

I think so

[junior grail]

Both

[muted gorge]

nice

[tired ember]

Yes, after Winter Assault

winter assault guard was... pretty dumb

[junior grail]

I jumped in with Dark Crusade

[tiny summit]

Bayonet launching crossbow

[muted gorge]

we talking about dawn of war 2? yea winter assault guard was cracked but they were the main campaign faction for winter assault

Soulstorm or Dark Crusade?

[tiny summit]

Just grab knives as your ammo

[junior grail]

Highest point was when I joined the modding team for Soulstorm hahaha

Got a bit too tired of rts after that

[tall torrent]

All attacks

Melee
Ranged
Damage over time (by you)

[muted gorge]

was it the ultimate apocalypse mod? that was a big one and is very good

okay, quickplayhas given me the same 2 missions 4 times in a row now

[junior grail]

I was part of the team after, Unification mod

[muted gorge]

time to queue for something specific

[muted gorge]

oh, it got better

i might have to peek at that

[junior grail]

I like Unification, more diverse and fun imo, instead of spamming titans only hahaha

[muted gorge]

thats awesome you were apart of it, probably good practice and on a resume too

[junior grail]

You'll never guess what faction was specifically under my charge

[signal mango]

I'm trying to do the Volley Fire challenge:

• Where can I set up so many elites in a chokepoint?
• Where is the best location?

[tall torrent]

Is that a penance or something

[terse idol]

Is that like keep volley fire up for X amount of time for X times?

just do it on damnation and get consistent resets

It'll take time

[signal mango]

VolleyFire for 20sec! That's like 4-5 in a row.
Best weapon for it? Helbore? Plasma?

[terse idol]

Lasgun

Either the Ia or MXIII

You could do it with helbore

But that's gonna be tough

[signal mango]

PUG's are gonna fing hate me: Lasgun to Damnation.

[terse idol]

No

[potent lichen]

I find it hard to justify taking ammo aura when I'm playing a melee vet. Wouldn't 5% damage be more useful overall?

[terse idol]

Lasgun is a good gun

[safe flower]

Whut. Lasguns are actually good in Damnation?

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean

If you can land headshots

[tiny summit]

Whut? No. Lasguns are good. Helbores are my beloved though

[safe flower]

Just need decent blessings.

[terse idol]

You can very easily clear rooms of gunners

Which is important for damnation

And if you go marksmens focus

You can trade shots with gunners

[raw steppe]

No because the ammo aura is overpowered

[terse idol]

Its fine

Just take it

[tiny summit]

To me I don't need ammo aura. But also...I still like shooting as melee vet. 5% dmg is ass in comparison to free ammo for revolver

[potent lichen]

But I'm never out of ammo >.>

[terse idol]

Don't sacrifice your build for the aura

[terse idol]

Then don't take it

Fuck your teammates they can figure it out

[junior grail]

Ammo aura should just be changed to increased ammo pickups

[raw steppe]

Ok heres a question for you

[terse idol]

Don't let people force you to take the aura

[tiny summit]

Nobodies build is sacrificed for survivalist tax

[midnight totem]

stealth is good, but can be better, shout is just op

[raw steppe]

Do you care about winning?

[safe flower]

Ammo aura is great for low ammo weapons, such as the headhunters. Lasweapons don't need it, so you're purely taking it for the team in that case.

[raw steppe]

Because taking ammo aura will simply boost your winrate from certain situations

[potent lichen]

I'm using a revolver for elite deletion

[signal mango]

Important Question:

• "Volley Fire or Executioner's Stance?"
  Ogryn Penance needed the basic unaugmented grenade-box

[raw steppe]

By buffing your team

[tiny summit]

And if you have ET + CK you're invincible against gunners

[terse idol]

Who gives a shit

[junior grail]

I had an auric maelstrom mission where a Vet was spamming smoke... never felt my blood pressure rise so high

[terse idol]

Why would you care

Your team builds for themselves

You build for yourself

If your team can't win without an aura