veteran-class

[craggy relic]

oh

[serene sage]

Rashad

[craggy relic]

I got one of those ye

mk 5

[muted knot]

Ahhhh

Hahaha

[terse idol]

Rashad is tough though

You need to min max it

For it to cleave

[muted knot]

Bromentum time

[terse idol]

If you dont it's gonna be painful

Yeah

Brutal momentum

Unarmoured

[craggy relic]

I dont have cleave

[tall torrent]

Rashad is veteran endgame

[craggy relic]

I got 78 for the stat but I used my blessings for brutal and headtaker

[terse idol]

Declaw with savage sweeps and rampage not bad

[craggy relic]

since Ive heard htat's good

[terse idol]

Or dclaw with shred and rampage

For hordes

[craggy relic]

I prefer the antax tbh

feels more powerful and with brutal momentum i can ignore shit to keep goin

[muted knot]

Antax id a bit slow in my experience which is like 2 games today

[craggy relic]

what's the diff between mk 3 and mk4 PS

[muted knot]

Movesets

[craggy relic]

might be me usin it a lot lol

Im trying to get my shovel for good CC rn tho

[muted knot]

I just got into the axe game so I don't really know how to best use them

[craggy relic]

why I do is mash m1 and then push from time to time while dodging

bc MK5 oneshots them at the weakspot lol

then with brutal momentum it goes through hit mass

[serene sage]

it's hard but not that hard, tbh it's really easy to hit poxwalkers and moaner breakpoints, you barely need to do anything
shooters breakpoints are also laughably easy
the reason why you need to minmax is for both scab and dreg bruiser
but most melee struggle to waveclear against them anyway, so you are no worse off even with an not godroll (but admittedly still need to be "good")

[crisp rapids]

yeah graina has 0 fukcing stagger

[craggy relic]

then headtaker being... headtaker

[cerulean night]

how rare is power cycler 4 in melk's shop?

[tall torrent]

Antax is basically Rashad with a slightly better moveset but worse atk speed and worse dmg

[craggy relic]

I saw Antax having better power

[serene sage]

not rarer than other stuff per my own experience, it's just that people who want PC4 want it NOW

hence the memes

[strange sparrow]

My Autogun build

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t though?

[ember estuary]

Does Headhunter blessing reset itself if you miss a weakspot

[strange sparrow]

Oh wait you're using the

[serene sage]

why do people take both Long Shot and Close Quarter Killzone?

[strange sparrow]

Headhunter

[serene sage]

I genuinely don't get it

[terse idol]

Yeah its why I would recommend more utility on a melee like a dclaw that can at least give you defensive options and are half decent at like

Horde cleear

[hollow ibex]

Quite rare, must buy when it shows up

[strange sparrow]

I take it for Exhilarating Takedown

[strange sparrow]

Not like I got a choices to not take it to go over Exhilarating

Im into that Toughness Damage Reduction Gaming

[tall torrent]

TDR gets diminishing results the more you stack it

[cerulean night]

is it worth dumping my plasteel for a pc4 drop

[serene sage]

my brother

[serene sage]

how badly do you need a powersword?

[strange sparrow]

I know, but with VoC, I like to squish out every value of my toughness

[slate sleet]

the powersword brainrot needs to stop

its not even good

[crisp rapids]

am taking about graia

[serene sage]

and are you ready to buy into a weapon that has quite the extreme buff/nerf cycle?

[crisp rapids]

not amongus

[cerulean night]

i mean im not intrested in other classes other than psyker and im already bored of psyker so

[serene sage]

it's good now but no guarantee FS won't kill it the next

happened a few times already

[crisp rapids]

yeah like

how can i do this, but liek

no staggers

AT ALL

holy shit graia braced is just not that good

[tall torrent]

If you got the energy to grind for power sword you might as well spend that energy to get the true veteran endgame: a godroll Rashad axe

[crisp rapids]

it doesnt penetrate over multiple enemies

what i need 3 bullets with a graia i need 1 with a agrip

[serene sage]

a few cheaper options are chainsword, dclaw, and shovels

[crisp rapids]

it if at least had minimal stagger to fucking sotp a trapper about to trap me

[gilded rock]

You try BB/Shriek/EP with a purgatus staff yet?

[serene sage]

if you want to try vet with solid melee

[crisp rapids]

it owuld be a LOT better

[gilded rock]

What I run, very fun

[strange sparrow]

Dclaw is alright

it need some love but it's alright

[serene sage]

yeah, not bad, not exceptional

[crisp rapids]

i think collateral might not be the dump stat

cause this low collateral is not letting me stagger trappers

which is fucking insane

[serene sage]

don't you two tap trappers?

[crisp rapids]

with a graia?

no

graia is very low dmg.

[serene sage]

dang

well time to make the switch to bolter

[crisp rapids]

huh

ig this explains it

[serene sage]

you one tap special but dogs and mutants

[crisp rapids]

its just not that good on taggering

its fucking shite :XD:

[cerulean night]

yeah not my favorite tho

[crisp rapids]

agrip still suffers frmo kicking like a fucking mule?

or am i good to run this?

[strange sparrow]

I hate Charged shot can't one tap poxwalker on Mk2

[tall torrent]

This is good

[gilded rock]

Chainsword/Columnus V Autogun is a delightful pairing for a weapon specialist build, I'm recently finding

[tall torrent]

They can though?

[strange sparrow]

In the head yea, not in the body

except you get 25% more damage in unarmored

[tall torrent]

Why are u shooting poxwalkers with a slow firing marksman rifle

[strange sparrow]

Why are you not shooting poxwalkers that are slowly moving toward you

considering the gun take forever to pull out

[tall torrent]

The bayonet one shots them all the time?

[strange sparrow]

Slowly moving toward you

It's not in my bayo range

[tall torrent]

What situation are u describing here

Like, mercantile amphitheatre hold-out section?

[hollow ibex]

Nah better to be patient imo

[serene sage]

There's a solution to this problem

[ebon umbra]

imagine zealot with the fucking hellbore

[tall torrent]

Because generally speaking you can afford to have them come closer to u so u can bayonet them

[strange sparrow]

The elevator waiting scene

where the hordes spawn in from either your room or another room that is across the bridge

[serene sage]

Isn't that the Helbore wetdream though?

[tall torrent]

That is the literal peak helbore scenario

[crisp rapids]

is stil still a good power sword?

[tall torrent]

Click every special across the bridge

[strange sparrow]

yes and no because you don't get a lot of cover to use hellbore considering you get trash spawn in your room

[tall torrent]

Bayonet every rager that spawns near u

[strange sparrow]

and the trash blocking your shot toward specialist

[halcyon zephyr]

What did I say

[strange sparrow]

because there's cover on the bridge

[serene sage]

You said "what did I say" sir

[tall torrent]

You just put your aim in that marked target and keep shooting, it’s going to kill them

[halcyon zephyr]

Spears for everyone

[strange sparrow]

I know but still, I don't thin out the hordes as much as I expected

Charged Shots still just dont one tap them in the body with Mk2

[hollow ibex]

Have fun using it without power cycler

[tall torrent]

I’d say lower your expectations because HB (gun portion) is not a horde clear weapon

[strange sparrow]

And as a specialist killer, it just

[crisp rapids]

it does fie clearing hordes

[strange sparrow]

There's better gun i guess

[tall torrent]

What’s wrong with it

[serene sage]

Use the Plasma

All roads lead back to Plasma

And revolver

[crisp rapids]

agrip mk8 time

[strange sparrow]

Revolver, Vraks7, Plasma, IAG

[crisp rapids]

very nice,

[tall torrent]

As a specialist killer it is still very strong

[crisp rapids]

vraks3 is good too

amongus

[serene sage]

V7 cleave isn't that high though?

[crisp rapids]

and graia needs more stagger imo :XD:

[serene sage]

It shouldn't cleave through as much as Helbore can

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 struggles vs maniac

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’ll just be annoying to use and way worse than even having pc3

[strange sparrow]

Mk2 Hellbore also need perfect roll to hit breakpoint

which is kinda cbt

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 needs very high roll on top of having a bigger blessing pool

Helbore2 u can afford to not have surgical

[strange sparrow]

I dont disagree on that, but at the moment, I have quite a lot of Vraks 7 blessings because the weapon is shared

compared to Hellbore Mk2

[tall torrent]

That’s fair

[languid estuary]

how's devastating strike on the devil's claw

[tall torrent]

When you eventually get into helbore, I think it’s less CBT to roll than Vraks HH

[modern canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841763657524576266/1190413427957583913/image.png?ex=65a1b5e6&is=658f40e6&hm=f8dd3847e5e0d73c8796388e2f1fea8be6694c6065b0e06bbe74ee9c5341d6b4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=429&height=661 what should i change on this ?

[tall torrent]

Bad

[ebon umbra]

i'd take horde clear on the claw personally

[tall torrent]

Sustained fire to onslaught
Perks I would change either to maniac

[strange sparrow]

Sustained to Onslaught

I would keep the Crit Chance but Maniac is good

[modern canopy]

so no carapace ?

[tall torrent]

Carapace is like, fine?

[strange sparrow]

Carapace is ok

[tall torrent]

Neither matters that much for HB1

[strange sparrow]

it's a mk1 anyways

I don't think it have anymore breakpoint

[tall torrent]

HB1 doesn’t get anything from carapace

It has same dmg to carapace as HB2

But shoots slower so you get lower dps

[strange sparrow]

Tbh I would say most HB2 dps loss happened because you don't remember the correct audio que for the fully charged when onslaught is fully stacked

[covert copper]

is this any good for a PG build

[sharp ember]

a fine starter plasma gun, it's got all good perks and blessings, just have to replace it with a higher rating one someday

[tall torrent]

Just tested

[sharp ember]

high stopping power is necessary to 1shot or 2shot certain specials and elites

on damnation anyway

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1190415434487439370/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.29_-_17.05.15.01.mp4?ex=65a1b7c4&is=658f42c4&hm=624db9d4e529dbb5433b27cae10ea19efad3d726a8c7373eaedb78aabacee3ef&

Idk what your HB2 is doing but it should be able to 1 shot poxwalkers on full charge bodyshot

[tall torrent]

I don’t even have infested on my HB

[tall torrent]

Did u take both the 5% ranged dmg nodes on the left?

[strange sparrow]

Let me rebuild my skill tree because I reset to shoot the gun

so it doesn't affect the result

[tall torrent]

If u took both the 5% ranged dmg nodes and still couldn’t 1 shot the poxwalkers

I’m afraid it would be that 76% dmg roll being funny

[strange sparrow]

I mean It's a shit hellbore stats to begin

and I can't one tap flamer with 25% maniac

[terse idol]

TR are 30 is gonna feel terrible is what I'm gonna sayyyy

Personally would skip, but if that's rhe only one you got it's what ya got

Replace carapace with unarmoured

[strange sparrow]

I also artificially increase damage with Killzone these day with Mk2 HellBore

It just

cbt

[tall torrent]

It’s very hard for HB2 to one tap flamers

Don’t think abt that breakpoint too much

The only flamer 1 tap breakpoint I’d consider for HB2 is crit headshot 1 tap

Without crit, it takes so much investment it’s not really worth it

[strange sparrow]

like it's a specialist killing thing but

most of the stuff require double tap

which is frustrating

[tall torrent]

Bombers, trappers and snipers don’t

Gunners u just 1 shot to face with zero suppression consequences

[tall torrent]

Reaper is 2-3 shots depending on build, usually 3

[strange sparrow]

I had dump like 600k docket on this weapon? and it's pretty bricked half the time

[tall torrent]

Did u take the 30% weakpoint node?

[strange sparrow]

yea

Also the extra 10% damage

[tall torrent]

Can u show me ur build

Istg if it’s that 76% dmg roll acting up

Because my 78% can point blank 1 tap trappers to the face

[tall torrent]

Also put maniac on the gun

[terse idol]

@covert copper also uh, to preface why you should take unarmoured
Gotta one shot dredge gunners in the head

[tall torrent]

Maniac should give u that breakpoint

I don’t recommend crit chance as a perk on HB2

[terse idol]

Also carapace isn't that important imo because you just headshot crushers and maulers anyways

[tall torrent]

Primarily because I hate relying on crits for breakpoints

[terse idol]

Which uh, does the strange thing to change their carapace to flak

Iirc

[strange sparrow]

A lot of Mk 2 hellbore bp is double tapping and I kinda hated it

so I went for crit build instead

Because they usually get stagger and fall back into cover

[tall torrent]

I suggest aiming for breakpoints above building for dps for Helbore

[strange sparrow]

Without KillZone

[tall torrent]

It’s sorta like how a plasma that gets to 1 tap everything is significantly better than a plasma that’s built for dps but can’t 1 tap

[strange sparrow]

It could one tap it with killzone

[tall torrent]

U shouldn’t need killzone

Maniac should be enough to get that breakpoint

As for poxwalkers, idk what’s going on

Could really just be that 76% dmg roll

Dreg gunners specifically require 25% unarmored or it’s very hard to do

Ideal is unarmored + maniac

[strange sparrow]

Yea also this make me want to kms sometime

[tall torrent]

Tag keystone

Can help in getting that breakpoint

[strange sparrow]

Sigh

Shit so scuffed that it need me to just change my tree into a keystone tagging

[tall torrent]

I genuinely think it’s that 76% dmg roll acting up

But at the same time helbore is very good with tag keystone

[strange sparrow]

I know, I change my Tag key to Mouse Click one for hell bore

But I just dislike Vet's Keystone in general

[tall torrent]

I also do not recommend exe stance for helbore

Except maybe mk3 if you’re into CBT

[strange sparrow]

I mean Exec Stance help me see clearer

which mean I know what I want to hit tbh

VoC is just straight up better in most situation

But for Hellbore, I just want to be like those one shot one kill larping sharp shooter something

[tall torrent]

VoC is specifically good for HB because it gives u room for putting traitors on a kebab with your bayonet

[strange sparrow]

I didn't play Hellbore for Bayo tbh

It's spammy, high dps with cleeve, extra movement speed

[crisp rapids]

yeah agrip MK8 fuckings

powerfull

[serene sage]

Long Shot value

[crisp rapids]

still lost tho

[halcyon zephyr]

S L A P S

[crisp rapids]

its insane that wepaon

i love it

graia braced sometimes cant evne fucking stagger a trapper

:XD:

[halcyon zephyr]

Death to all shooters.

[crisp rapids]

HELL YEAH BROTHER

[halcyon zephyr]

B R O T H E R

[crisp rapids]

it kills EVERYTHING

[strange sparrow]

Also long shot is funny

The value start at 8Meter

and increase slowly

[crisp rapids]

is precision strikes + superiority complex worth?

it seems PRETTY powerfull those 2

[strange sparrow]

Im testing it right now

5m - 296
8m - 306
9m - 312

[crisp rapids]

does krak need the +dmg to be able to kill crushers?

[strange sparrow]

no

just toss it and see it die

[crisp rapids]

:XD: good

[torn root]

no, but the damage can splash to do a lot more dmaage to packs

for the clean up

[crisp rapids]

30% weakspot or + 10% rending?

[strange sparrow]

Nothing survive Kraks

[torn root]

eeeh thats a hard choice

i gravitate to rending

[crisp rapids]

is born leader worth?

theres soo much shit to think about

[terse idol]

No

[terse idol]

Its so bad

[terse idol]

Krak is fine

Shredder is the giga chad

[crisp rapids]

precision strikes +fully loaded +superiority complex

seems soo fucking nice

[strange sparrow]

Shredder is for people that didn't take VoC for CC

[terse idol]

Its both

[crisp rapids]

if i take shredder i dont ahve crusher killing potential

[terse idol]

I would rather take shredder with a pgun

[torn root]

i use shredders with VoC

[crisp rapids]

since i am running agrip mk8

[terse idol]

Than double up on krak and pgun

Since it shores up your horde

[strange sparrow]

Also Krak have magnetic attachment to Cara

so missing your grenade is ok

[crisp rapids]

yeha but if i take shredder instead of krak

i wont be able to kill crushers

[torn root]

ngl

[crisp rapids]

/ i'll be dependant on teamates for it

[glacial yacht]

thats what powersword is for

[torn root]

needing a grenade to kill crushers

is super limiting

[tall torrent]

Use a melee that kills them

[torn root]

you should probabl take a melee to deal with them on top then if you cant kill crushers without them

[tall torrent]

You shouldn’t rely on kraks to kill crushers & bulwarks

[torn root]

yeah, not at all

[torn root]

krak magnet radius is not large

[crisp rapids]

am running agrpi MK8

[torn root]

as much as ppl thing it is

[crisp rapids]

ranged option against crushers is very favourable

[strange sparrow]

Not large but It stick to it's target

[halcyon zephyr]

I invite critcism, the harsher the better.

[strange sparrow]

I want this dead, and it shall be dead.

anything that Krak touch, die which is what I want

[tall torrent]

Whereas frag sends them onto the floor to be easily killed while staggering everything around them

[torn root]

yeah, not large at all

you just got magic fingers

[strange sparrow]

I mean Krak does send people to the floor/Disperse stack crusher

[halcyon zephyr]

With agri brauto, you take kark.

[tender inlet]

The new laspistol is dookie, right?

[strange sparrow]

Just the radius of sending people to the floor, isn't as big as frag

[torn root]

yeah but its a lower aoe for that knock back/down

[torn root]

almost half the size, its noticible when playing, plus the outter radius of shredders stumbles

[halcyon zephyr]

not as important with the agri brauto. You need crusher/mauler killing potential.

[crisp rapids]

bring it down, + superiority + 10% rending not enough

to deal with them?

[tall torrent]

1. I’m not sure exactly what 10% weakspot is for, bulwark 1 shot?
2. I suggest taking stripped down over fire frenzy for the funny duck & dive interaction
3. If you’re gonna take a braced autogun, don’t go exhilarating takedown since you can’t guarantee headshot kills
4. I strongly suggest taking +25 toughness over exploit weakness
5. I suggest taking at least one of the -stamina regen delay nodes
6. I strongly suggest taking demo stockpile, tactical awareness and iron will

[halcyon zephyr]

i dunno, I posted my build above

[tall torrent]

Playing vet without any nade regen talents is basically trolling

[crisp rapids]

do i need reset if i take if i take tactical awareness?

[strange sparrow]

My run usually die because Crusher Stacks compared to specialist/elites

so I take Kraks (Columnus IAG Rush B)

[tall torrent]

It’s a lower AoE with less spammability and worse AoE damage

[strange sparrow]

Kill stuff fast, dodge everything, kill wave fast

[terse idol]

Well

Until there's a horde

[torn root]

weakspot damage helps you one shot Crushers i thought

[strange sparrow]

That's why you brought the power sword

[terse idol]

Then krak sheeep

Lkooook

[strange sparrow]

I already take care of the hard stuff

[terse idol]

I can't run the meta of the meta

[torn root]

well not oneshot but bash attack into light

[terse idol]

And shredders even help against maulers

[tall torrent]

He already has precision strikes + desperado
If he really cared about crusher 2 shot, 15% elite and 20% ogryn would be more beneficial than those two

[terse idol]

Anyways preferanes

[torn root]

well im commenting ont he weapon tbh

kinda hard to see everything its so small on my screen

[strange sparrow]

I don't have much problem against Maulers (TTK is shorter), and hordes generally isn't a problem for me

[thorn summit]

opinions on this from melk?

[strange sparrow]

Crusher stack is what the problem

[thorn summit]

cop or nah?

[ebon umbra]

what is this mauser bs

[terse idol]

That's valid

[ebon umbra]

nice

[rare tartan]

then there is a plasma gun

[strange sparrow]

Also Bulwark

[strange sparrow]

Plasma gun too slow

[tall torrent]

Idk, staggering them then killing with melee has been pretty effective

[ebon umbra]

yeah i'd rather not spec bring em down with plasma. i prefer nade spec but it bring em down is a good option

[strange sparrow]

What about not pulling a grenade and changing to melee to do a Push attack -> light

[lilac jungle]

Good perks for a MK4 power sword?

[strange sparrow]

just about the pulling part

[torn root]

plasma gun is horrible for crusher packs lmao

[lilac jungle]

'I have supercharge 2 and brutal momentum 4 as blessing so im happy with those

[tall torrent]

If you’re specifically bringing a power sword to kill crushers then I don’t see that much of a use case for kraks either

[strange sparrow]

I mean most people bring psword

[tall torrent]

And it’s not like the only choice you have is power sword

[torn root]

new shovel is nice for crushers too

just have fun being locked in place for the animation

[ebon umbra]

yeah plasma gun heats too quick and you dont get much pen v carapace so no lineups even tho crushers dont really lineup. then u cant really shoot otther targets cuz u commit to crushers

[tall torrent]

In fact if you’re bringing power sword, frags would be better because it makes more room for your power-up when you’re fighting mass ragers

[halcyon zephyr]

1. It's locked in, the other was worse.
2. I'll consider it. I like big damage, but when I swap DS off, it feels far worse with just FF.
3. I aim for the head. Really though, I feel far more flimsy without it.
4. Good call.
5. Naah, my stamina is always super high. I can sprint forever and regen really fast with D&D
6. I do miss having those, but I generally can chain my Exec Stance pretty reliably as to not miss Tactical Awareness very much. If I want to abuse the right keystone however, a sacrifice is required.

[ebon umbra]

dclaw for crushers

[rare tartan]

if it was crit oneshot

[ebon umbra]

12 ammo + charge time and spec to middle keystone when plasma doesnt need middle keystone

not worth committing for crushers only

[tall torrent]

I would drop the gun-related modifiers to the keystone because they really do not benefit braced autoguns all that much

[rare tartan]

charged it oneshots everything except crushers

[torn root]

seeing a crusher alive for more than 3 seconds is painful to my eyes

if I aim at it it better be dead

[ebon umbra]

and that is just for one crusher

[torn root]

it's really slow

you didnt kill the 1st

and now there are 5 more

[halcyon zephyr]

Exactly!

[rare tartan]

i honestly run as it is in Damnation and have no problem

[strange sparrow]

It take me average 2 seconds to kill a Mauler while it take me 3 seconds to kill a crusher with gun (Headshot only) with Columnus

So I just pull a grenade and do other things

[torn root]

i want to be a Psword bro too but i am not blessed

[strange sparrow]

Not that hard to understand

[ebon umbra]

i believe it. we werent talking about single crushers but crusher patrols. it is def usable but other guns do it better.

[tall torrent]

Why does ur build not have any nade regen then

[strange sparrow]

Also does wonder against Bulwark

[torn root]

oy

why is a mauler taking 2 seconds

we gotta talk buddy

[strange sparrow]

Because I don't take focus target?

[torn root]

1 second tops with columnus

[halcyon zephyr]

To troll!
actually, I took all the gun keystone talents out and put the points to get down to iron will. I need to steal another point now to get demo team

[torn root]

without focus target

actually my view might be scewed

[strange sparrow]

You guys get all the focus target and weird shit into psykarium and ask why can't I destroy something in less than 0.5 seconds

[torn root]

no

[strange sparrow]

and never bring it into an actual match and say this is enjoyable

[ebon umbra]

colum is crazy but all i hear is nerf revolver and plasma i dont want a colum nerf tho

[torn root]

its not with focus targer

i swear

sec

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you even really need keystone modifiers for braced autoguns
Only one I’d consider taking is power sword to make sure you always have enough stamina to do the pull atk combo when you draw the sword

[torn root]

pretty sure deadshot scews my numbers tho

[ebon umbra]

focus target for plasma is kinda a waste

unless twins i guess

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[ebon umbra]

y

[rare tartan]

Dude it's mostly for team

[strange sparrow]

All I get, is general stuff that help me run fast/ stay alive/ kill stuff fast

[torn root]

yer buggin

[strange sparrow]

Not for some funny I want to be meta gaming with no survivability

[tall torrent]

You’ll come into funny situations like 1364 dmg to Dreg gunner headshot

[ebon umbra]

i guess im kinda selfish

[tall torrent]

Or 1389 headshot dmg to both flamers

Tag solves both of these problems for u

[strange sparrow]

Also Plasma Need focus target, else it can't one tap

just funny

[torn root]

not sure what thats a nod to

[rare tartan]

one tap gunners , ragers

without focus

[ebon umbra]

yeah that does happen. i try to get blaze away timings right and space for long shot but it isnt always possible/skill issue

[torn root]

cant have no survivability with iron will

[lilac jungle]

What curio blessing/perks should i be looking for?

[tall torrent]

I personally value that consistency over other stuff

[torn root]

in general?

[ebon umbra]

i prefer nade talents and i lose them atm. that is fair and i take it back. focus target isnt a waste

[lilac jungle]

yeah

[tall torrent]

This is what I run rn
HB1/2 or Plasma
Rashad axe

U could try

Double nade regen

Could drop redirect fire for tinkerer if you really want to play grenadier but I found more success with redirect

[torn root]

toughness/health/wounds > stamina

the perks are arbitrary, mostly situational or based on preference

[lilac jungle]

I figured, stamina seems like a trap

[ebon umbra]

i should specify. i go volley fire for the wallhacks and maximizing lineups on elites. I take tinkerer shreds and i love shreds so much i take 4 nades for the double shredder nuke.

[torn root]

can never go wrong with stamina regen, or toughness regen

[tall torrent]

Oh lol ok

[ebon umbra]

on center tree focus target is easy to pick up

[torn root]

said the other 3 above stamina

[ebon umbra]

i have a focus target plasma on my build 10 that is collecting dust

[lilac jungle]

I know, more stamina is good, but being able to manage it is better

[tall torrent]

Idk, having 1 x3 stamina is pretty nice

[torn root]

stamina regen and touhgness regen i place as high priorites

[torn root]

i run 2 +3 stamina but its diff for other ppl

[tall torrent]

Isn’t toughness regen coherency-only

[torn root]

there are ppl that dont run any

like at all

[tall torrent]

That one is pretty meh

[lilac jungle]

Doesnt toughness regen only affect corenencyh

[torn root]

i only have them because of deadshot

[tall torrent]

Deadshot only needs stamina regen anyway

[torn root]

which you should be in most of the time anyway?

[ebon umbra]

i have to run longshot atm

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is just not good

[torn root]

no no it doesnt

[strange sparrow]

People here sometime put their unrealistic expectation about potential damage with vets here

[torn root]

the more stamina bars you have the more shots you get with deadshot

[tall torrent]

Coherency regen turns off in melee combat?

[strange sparrow]

Shit like this

[torn root]

why do ppl not know this?

[tall torrent]

No I mean, you don’t need toughness regen for Deadshot

Toughness regen is coherency only and that turns off in melee combat

[ebon umbra]

people are trying and finding things. I try to listen and share and i learn new things often. Sure expectations may be high but some people are meeting them

[crisp rapids]

what u guys think of this

for a agrip?

mk8

[lilac jungle]

Because the game doesnt explain anything lol

[strange sparrow]

People put 1 seconds ttk for something as "Impresive", while in Psykarium

[torn root]

i said they are my priorities not the general one lmao

[strange sparrow]

which a general build that help you survive, no

[torn root]

I use it for a specific reason, imma lil bitch that likes to run and dodge

[crisp rapids]

how often do you actualyl weakspot kill/hit

🤔

i am wondering the effectiveness of the +weakspot dmg perks

[crisp rapids]

for this

[torn root]

bro i said my bad

what happened

[strange sparrow]

Unrealistic view about people should be "Playing", with Psykarium grind smh

[torn root]

lmao

[strange sparrow]

Just a lot of people here grinding Psykarium too much

[torn root]

ttk in there and in game are the same I dont get the problem there

its a good tool to use to know how well your gear does

[tall torrent]

They’re not as good as u think because the game calculates +weakpoint bonus in a counterintuitive and not very good way

Say your gun does 50 dmg to body, 100 to head
Getting a +30% weakpoint bonus will do:
100 + (100-50)x30% = 115 dmg
The weakpoint bonus (and crit bonus, by extension) only applies to the “bonus damage” from hitting a weakpoint

[ebon umbra]

i prob should have listened more to what u were saying mb. yeah thats true

[strange sparrow]

But you won't build like this right

[haughty pond]

hear me out

[crisp rapids]

graya does NO FUCKING STAGGER

[valid moss]

10% Rending will do practically nothing, even for autos. Try Onslaught if you want an impact penetration perk for autos

[crisp rapids]

huh it seems like agip mk8 does more dmg than mk1?

[torn root]

rending strikes should probably only be taken as a last node when you have no other damage nodes to take, tbh that's the only reason I'm even using it too

picked it over marksman because of consistency

[crisp rapids]

i would need 4 points

also agrip mk1 doesnt seem as good as it used to

[valid moss]

Rending Strikes is actually useless and I won't pretend as it isn't. It's so minimal damage that I would suggest Competitive Urge 100% over it.

[low yacht]

What do you guys think of the new fur lined hat for Veteran?

It looks pretty nice.

[strange sparrow]

I take rending strike because its boost my ttk against cara/flak

[tall torrent]

U can cosplay Jurgen

[low yacht]

It's a very nice hat though.

[torn root]

this is how to do proper math tho ngl

[ebon umbra]

a lil late but this is my VF plasma dclaw. i try to keep close to infinite uptime on VF (vf until regen) feels only worth if im aware of distance, blaze away stacks, if i can dodge ads while VF and max dclaw hotswap advantage. also nades my beloved. went get back in the fight instead of catch a breath for dclaw parries.

[low yacht]

I bought the rest of the new set, but I bought the fur hat instead.

It looks nice.

[strange sparrow]

Still take onslaught with rending

[valid moss]

Rending just scales super badly, and is best used for guns that do little damage aganist carapiece- issue is that it's neglectable at both low and high values on any circumstance. It's nothing on guns like Bolters and Plasma, and a bit noticable on Autos, it's just useless

[torn root]

^

[valid moss]

Rending Strikes is actually just wasted points

[umbral scaffold]

looks like a wolfenstein nazi

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty good on Columnus which is why I took it

[valid moss]

It could be 25% and it would still be neglectable.

[strange sparrow]

Just a lot of bullet

[torn root]

depends on the build

and it really does

[low yacht]

Just get a gun with piercing

If you really are worried get one with penetration

[torn root]

still if you have onslaught and no more other nodes to take for damage you SHOULD take it

[crisp rapids]

i what about 20% POWER on weakspot hits

[low yacht]

Carapace will go down really fast with good penetration

[crisp rapids]

that sounds like it would just be 20% more dmg

instead of the +30% of the added weakspot bons

[haughty pond]

just a scion

[torn root]

tanner lindberg is a joke after today

[tall torrent]

Comp urge (procs ~75 times over one hiSTG)
Rending strikes (situationally useful on weapons where you really want that extra dmg for breakpoints)
Bring it down (helps a lot of weapons in reaching ogryn breakpoints)

[crisp rapids]

wat

[torn root]

saw a video where a guy questioned him then he shut off chat

was hilarious

[low yacht]

My character is basically a Soviet.

[tall torrent]

Rending strikes is not bad per se it’s just that it’s a very situational pick and shouldn’t be taken as a default

[valid moss]

Oh true?

[crisp rapids]

what about marksman?

[torn root]

dont argue against my point or ill just delete your comment

[crisp rapids]

sounds decent

[torn root]

those were his excact words

[haughty pond]

but if we go this far arhcivum sycorax looks like some nazi headquaters from wolfenstein

[crisp rapids]

ig u dont really hit as meany heads with a agrip Mk3

[torn root]

in his revolver video he had up earlier today

[crisp rapids]

MK8

[haughty pond]

the fonts even match

[strange sparrow]

Here's the reason why I took Rending specifically

[tall torrent]

This guy made a veteran meta breakdown but didn’t know double frag bleed stacks or focus target keystone minimum refresh to 2 stacks after killing marked target

He made some good points but a bit too emotional & ranting lol

[valid moss]

He's more so fatigued from misinformation from what I seen, but his attitude was just non-impressed with me.

[teal abyss]

Every time I see one of those red and white imperium signs throughout maps with the twin eagle I have to do a double take

[torn root]

super emotional

[tall torrent]

He completely misunderstood how focus target is meant to be used

[torn root]

rending strikes makes you ttk on crushers waaay better

[tall torrent]

You don’t take focus target for that big damage boost on one specific target

[main rivet]

any reccomendations on the 2 blessings i should use on plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

You take focus target to get constant +8% damage (or +15.5% with redirect fire) on EVERY enemy you tag for your whole team

[teal abyss]

Blaze away and gets hot are what everyone uses lol

[haughty pond]

wouldn't be surprised imperium of man is based on everything we know after all

[main rivet]

thanks

[torn root]

rending strikes

[haughty pond]

the kriegs are best example

[torn root]

someone gets it bro!

[tall torrent]

It’s a fatshark game so misinfo is bound to happen
But he also doesn’t understand everything that well lol

[haughty pond]

and some other similar units

[torn root]

ppl only focus on the maximum possible value

which is bad

[tall torrent]

That +8% damage because it minimum refreshes to 2 stacks means plasma or helbore gets to one tap like every fucking enemy in existence one after another

That’s how it’s meant to be used

[strange sparrow]

The only reason why single fire weapon in my game all have middle mouse tag button change to Mbutton 1

[tall torrent]

Not “save 8 stacks so I get to pop this massive ridonculous +32% on a boss”

[torn root]

but ppl hate it because they think you should only use it at max stacks

[strange sparrow]

[valid moss]

I'm getting a 200 dps increase from Rending Strikes with Onslaught on my build

[strange sparrow]

I mean yea, I could mag dump a guy

[torn root]

bro if i see someone do this it'd irk the shit out of me

[tall torrent]

Accurate portrayal of imperial propaganda
Nobody knows what they’re doing so everybody believes they’re right

[strange sparrow]

compared to mag dump + reload

good enough to me in my book

[torn root]

i didnt bother to use it in my demo on the crusher kill, low key max stacks is kinda overkill

even at 5

[crisp rapids]

am really debating marksman

i like superiority complex

a lot

but marksman

sounds a bit susso

[torn root]

im gunna say it

ITS A BAD TALENT

DONT TAKE IT

[crisp rapids]

with agrip mk8, u reanny dont hit many headshot

[torn root]

lmao

[strange sparrow]

It's alright

[crisp rapids]

i kinda just haev to take precision strieks

[torn root]

you could find damage in so many other places

[tall torrent]

This is order of priority in terms of which modifier to take, imo

[torn root]

like rending if you have nothing else to spend the point on then do so

[torn root]

same

[valid moss]

What's the deal with Marksman?

[strange sparrow]

MarksMan Focus in Columnus allow me to play like a maniac

[torn root]

literally that tougness and stamina is so good

[tall torrent]

8 stack is the lowest value modifier because it usually only gives you +4.5% damage, and if you’re taking it without redirect fire you just don’t know what you’re doing

[strange sparrow]

Headshot -> Refresh 3 seconds of running -> more headshot

[tall torrent]

If that 8 stack modifier also changed minimum refresh to 3 stacks, instant best value node

[torn root]

you can take so much damage on the tree going Focus Target

[valid moss]

Marksman and Marksman's Focus are two different talents, thank you Fatshark

[tall torrent]

People don’t understand how much damage you really get going left & middle tree rn

It’s hilarious

[crisp rapids]

rending strikes is making me kill flak and maulers 10% faster

[torn root]

i mean you can kill 4 whole crushers with 1 clip of the mk5

[strange sparrow]

Focus Target is just dumb in a lot of time

[torn root]

not ridiculous at all

[tall torrent]

If you’re not bothered to tag anything, I guess

[strange sparrow]

Change your tag to Mouse button 1 (left click)

Literally

[tall torrent]

But it’s the most general purpose veteran keystone

It does everything what you would need from a veteran

[torn root]

i mean its literally a reward for doing the same shit you were doing all game

[tall torrent]

No? You don’t need to do that?

[valid moss]

Focus Target is great for break-point schnanigans, I can consistenly One-shot Plasma Crushers with a single shot on- I believe 4 stacks of Focus.

[tall torrent]

I don’t get why you’d have to re-bind tag just to use that

[strange sparrow]

Do it so you aren't bothered/bothered anymore

you just tag stuff you want to kill

so yea

[torn root]

which is a prereq of using more ammo 1st

[tall torrent]

Just naturally tag stuff ?

[crisp rapids]

what about close quarters killzone?

good?

[strange sparrow]

Bothered

Yes I am

[tall torrent]

Idk just get a habit of tagging stuff

People who never tag anything are not doing enough

[torn root]

so you consistently have to ramp up your damage to hit a break point without it, why not just use it in conjunction?

[strange sparrow]

Plus stuff I tag probably die too fast

so I stop tagging after a while

[torn root]

what if you have blind team mates and gotta reload?

[valid moss]

I do, it's other-wise just two-shots. I can have hordes run at me and I interchange what targets not to focus and focus.

[strange sparrow]

VoC

[torn root]

big facts, that was a dumb question

[tall torrent]

4 stacks of focus is 16% damage
If you run redirect fire, 2 stacks + 5 redirect fire stacks is 15.5% damage
Test if you maintain that breakpoint

I don’t think 0.5% would cost you that much

But if you get to keep that breakpoint, it’s a point worth spending

[valid moss]

I'll give some testing

[strange sparrow]

Also, Never trust your teammate in Auric Mael

[torn root]

nah ive been getting some nice ass randoms in auric recently

[strange sparrow]

You gone soft, now you become reliant on them dealing with xyz

[torn root]

never that

[crisp rapids]

i recent had a +108 psyker on auric maestorm that didnt kill a single special

[urban talon]

do only noobs play veteran?

[torn root]

but i probably could rely on some of them

[torn root]

yes

we all suck

[crisp rapids]

no, veteran is pretty hard to play sometimes

zealots are the noob class

[valid moss]

gun go brrr

[urban talon]

really?

[strange sparrow]

Veteran is the "Damage Farmer" Class

[tall torrent]

Nah, ogryn

Ogryn only needs to learn 2 things

[strange sparrow]

all of the people are into, one thing and one thing only here

[torn root]

pskyer, ogryn

[strange sparrow]

Damage farmin

[torn root]

idk

[urban talon]

i hear that if psyker was easy it would be called veteran

[valid moss]

"Damage Farmer" don't mention Scrier Psykers.

[tall torrent]

1. Hold mouse 1 to heavy attack
2. Don’t stand directly in front of your veteran

[strange sparrow]

Psyker damage potential have a cap

[tall torrent]

Done

[torn root]

especially the fatass that blocks all your bullets

[strange sparrow]

I play enough gun psyker to know what im saying

[urban talon]

this guy doesn't know

[strange sparrow]

You will reach a point where your damage just that

[tall torrent]

Psyker is different from veteran in terms of “hard”

[umbral scaffold]

pretty funny of every class would have a funny answer to that, but vet chat is salty about it xD

[torn root]

its hard to do space magic

[tall torrent]

It’s a different kind of hard

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty easy to build psyker overall but not a lot of brain cell require half the time

[vernal slate]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-9829547

[torn root]

imma be honest

[strange sparrow]

I once fall asleep playing smite psyker

[urban talon]

who allow nahcies on my server

[torn root]

when yall say its hard playing veteran its mostly a joke right?

[urban talon]

we have to check this

[tall torrent]

Psyker builds a more straightforward but in execution require you to be a bit more strategic

[torn root]

cause having iron will correct half your mistakes is kinda crazy

[crisp rapids]

is closed quarters god?

good*?

[torn root]

the amount of damage you avoid with that alone and VoC is kinda nutty

[crisp rapids]

i feel like its pretty decent

especially when waves of specials come

[tall torrent]

Veteran being hard is like
You will either be an unstoppable killing machine for the emperor that instantly kills anything you hit, or you will go down in 3 hits and scream for medicae the entire time

[strange sparrow]

Yea taking dome just...yeah...

[crisp rapids]

like flamers, doggies, muties

et

[torn root]

three hits how?!

you have so much space

a guy hits you for like 30 damage then you kill like 2 and boom max toughness again

[tall torrent]

You’re assuming new players know how to manage toughness or use all the tools at their disposal

I’m saying hard as in like, for newer players

[torn root]

iight my bad

get hit, shout, then run like a bitch

thats what i do

lmao

its free!

[tall torrent]

People will literally spam mouse 1 while eating a full rager combo

It is atrocious

[torn root]

bots, you mean bots

i dont even think the bots sit there and eat rager hits actually

[tiny summit]

I will eat a rager combo because I only mash with bayonet

[ebon umbra]

6 hits max if u get hit by poxwalkers. tried with all toughness and hp curio combinations with and without ironwill and im p sure with all toughness talents too

[jaunty tinsel]

Is it just a complete non-contest that the shout is better than that ranged ability? That's all I see anyone talk about or use

[tiny summit]

Only minus if you a bitch

[tall torrent]

Bots don’t eat rager combos, they dodge

[tiny summit]

Exe is fun and good. Shout just works at all times

[torn root]

shout is a get out of jail free button

it really is

[tall torrent]

This is the only really acceptable case of spamming m1 while getting hit by ragers as a veteran

[ebon umbra]

it isn't. VoC is the easiest to use and is insanely powerful but exe stance is v good if u can keep uptime. if you cant keep uptime go voc

[torn root]

this

[tiny summit]

I love exe helbore. Favorite loadout

[torn root]

dont use braincells when you can just press a button for saftey

[ebon umbra]

OH YEAH. THE VoC BOLTER ANIMATION CANCEL TOO

[jaunty tinsel]

I've been running the exe stance + counterfire, it's served me well enough through aurics, was just wondering if I was accidentally trolling.

[umbral scaffold]

[tall torrent]

VoC is team support + good in all situations + easier pathing

Exe improves your guns and can help kill priority targets at range better, but you’re more vulnerable to melee

[serene sage]

damn, not even a single usable thing

[umbral scaffold]

[torn root]

VoC also good for melee

imo

[serene sage]

try being lucky next time

[tiny summit]

How could anyone think it's trolling? You're highlighting more enemies to refresh duration

[tiny summit]

Take your corrupt resist vitamins

[umbral scaffold]

ill try

[torn root]

not sure how exec stance would be trolling either

[crisp rapids]

born leader seems rpetty nice

[torn root]

i think i might be the only vet that doesnt take combat ability regen

[tiny summit]

It isnt

The numbers are fucked but I still run it

[serene sage]

goddammit

[torn root]

4 seconds diff does help a lot but idk if its me or i just feel like the CD is the same when im killing specials

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/we-were-this-close-krennic-orson-krennic-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-26204033

[crisp rapids]

especially with target down, exilerating takedown and confirmed kill

how would i tnot be good?

[tiny summit]

Because it's 15% of toughness you replenish. ET is 15% off say 100 toughness. 15% off 15 is..

[umbral scaffold]

69

[serene sage]

the math on Born Leader isn't mathing very well

i can't imagine investing that much to make a bad talent mediocre

[crisp rapids]

exilerating regens 10% -> 1.5% per weakspot kill.
confirmed regens 10% + 20% -> 5.5% per kill
and target down5% per stack -> 0.5% per stack

[tiny summit]

Yea go with that. I still run it. My team can send me the tips for that 3 toughness I replenished that definitely kept them from dying

[torn root]

exhilerating take down is good

[tall torrent]

Because you share 4.5 toughness for every CK proc, and born leader only works off the base 100 toughness on veteran

[tiny summit]

It is. I'm talking about with Born Leader

[tall torrent]

Idk abt u but that 4.5 toughness is not saving anyone

[crisp rapids]

ig so.

so what i take , for the emperor or what?

what about target down

[torn root]

ppl use born leader?

[tall torrent]

Even if you are the emperor’s best head clicker and you kill 10 specialists in quick succession all in headshots, with both ET and CK, you’re still only sharing 6.75 toughness for every kill, for 67.5 toughness over 20s

[umbral scaffold]

imma try melee vet

[valid moss]

Doing 2 minutes of research to find this guy was a big piece of shit and left Warframe because he wasn't liked, huh.

[tiny summit]

I'd say the other 2 are meh too. Born leader can add up with constant headshots. I'd rather have Born leader most of the time over 10% on ability use.

[torn root]

yeah i remembered him from warframe too

i wasnt just being a dick for no reason

[tall torrent]

And this is like the best case scenario

[torn root]

i think he sucks ngl

[serene sage]

assuming you are using VoC, for the emperor is basically a boss killing moment

or crusher pack killing

[tiny summit]

Take Born leader and tell your team to thank you for the 3 toughness

[serene sage]

you can consciouly time VoC for that

[strange sparrow]

Bless the emperor for I get 3 toughness!

[crisp rapids]

exhilerating is on any headshot kill

consider how many things u just headshot

[tall torrent]

Ranged weapon only

[crisp rapids]

byt spraying on that height

yeah

thats easelly 20 kilsl with a grip mk8

[torn root]

but on the video earlier a guy asked about the way he was presenting stuff and if he could spread sheet, and why he wasnt using certain nodes

[crisp rapids]

out of wish maybe like 25% of headshots?

[torn root]

then he turned off chat

[tiny summit]

It is. I use Born Leader and I like it with exe. If VoC I'd probably prefer For The Emperor

[crisp rapids]

which means more less 15 toughness

[torn root]

basically a spit in the face

3 toughness is crazy

[ebon umbra]

yeah psyker shield wishes

[tiny summit]

I'm helping

[crisp rapids]

confirmed kill + exhilerating takedown

tho

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

Me when I receive 3 toughness

[serene sage]

chat I want this PC, someone convince me not to shell out thousands for it

[crisp rapids]

imagine u headshot a elite -> that like45% toughness

[dusty sluice]

ideas for a columnus V weapon specialist build?

[crisp rapids]

4.5% toughness 🙏

[tall torrent]

I watched both his veteran and Psyker breakdowns

His Psyker breakdown was a lot better than veteran, but he missed some very important veteran info that any seasoned veteran player should know by now

[terse idol]

Uh, don't

[torn root]

i wish i had the points to take it

[dusty sluice]

:(

[terse idol]

Weapon spec isn't suited for automatic weapons

[tall torrent]

His take on smite was actually pretty valid and I agree with most of it

[dusty sluice]

but silly

[terse idol]

*im sorry 🥹

It just isn't good

[tiny summit]

Yea I run those with Born Leader. I dunno how much toughness I give to teammates and idc. I'm feeling like I'm helping and I don't care about the other 2 nodes on that step anyways

[valid moss]

I got spoiled from agreeing a lot with the Psyker video

[terse idol]

Your 1 crit on weapon swap

[tall torrent]

Albeit very emotional

[terse idol]

Is meeaningless

[crisp rapids]

how good am i cooking?

[terse idol]

You can do it

It'll just be bad

[torn root]

doesn't matter being butt hurt and snoby is a bad look

[ebon umbra]

my biggest issue with weapons specialist is that it can never be used with exe stance

[tall torrent]

Ik lol he actually hit the mark on Psyker pretty well

[dusty sluice]

ah

[serene sage]

good cook

[terse idol]

Wouldn't take toughness share, would rather take the damage buff

[terse idol]

Doesn't need to be they play differently

😌

[tall torrent]

I personally don’t like criticizing people for personality flaws so I only really care abt the objective info they present

[crisp rapids]

• the iron will with that much toughness regen seems pretty nice

[terse idol]

Like consider!

[tiny summit]

What weapon are you using? This is my exe helbore atm

[crisp rapids]

agrip MK8

[umbral scaffold]

used a meme build in auric maelstrom and died horifically as i was the last one against 2 monstrosities and many karkers

[ebon umbra]

true but i love both and it feels like i have to choose between two future wives

[terse idol]

Weapon spec wants you to kill 1 enemy and swap back to melee to get 10 melee kills and then swap back to get ranged damage

Exe stance wants you to sit there and shoot 20-30 shooters

To maintain cooldown

[crisp rapids]

lost match, u see this bot? this was better than the teamate we had on a auric maestorm with mutie waves + specialist waves

also this was b4 this build

[valid moss]

What's the Vet stuff he left out?

[crisp rapids]

this bot killed 2 disablers, which is 2 more than the previous psyker we had

[torn root]

oy, no toxicity

[tiny summit]

You may get more team benefit giving up rending for redirect fire. As long as something tagged dies no matter the tags the max dmg bonus is topped off

[serene sage]

you should try to make the scoreboard less busy imo

[crisp rapids]

:XD:

i cna keep toppping the 8 stacks?

that's actually nuts

[serene sage]

yeah

keep tagging to keep stacking

[crisp rapids]

even without max stacks

[terse idol]

Wait wait wait....

[crisp rapids]

or just keep adding?

thats pretty nice

[terse idol]

Wait no

Hold on

[serene sage]

you need redirect fire

[crisp rapids]

yeah

[serene sage]

Holding

[terse idol]

Wait no, we had this talk before

[crisp rapids]

rending lets me ikll maulers 10% faster

[terse idol]

Stacks don't just add onto one another

You cant just spam highlight an enemy 8 times

With 1 stack of focus

And get 8 stacks

[tiny summit]

We're not saying that

[torn root]

it works on both flak and carapce

[terse idol]

Oh

[spice wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/essp-enderblitz-galahad-slumber-party-why-isnt-it-possible-gif-25649259

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/christian-bale-american-psycho-walk-jam-gif-16732505

[crisp rapids]

once u get the 8 stacks, evne 1 stack will refresh the 8 stack buff right?

[flint garden]

ye

[terse idol]

I thought it overided

[tiny summit]

We're saying if you get 8 stack buff. And you kill the duration of the 8 stacks is refreshed

[ebon umbra]

me when mutie is charging me and i have VoC

[tiny summit]

Unless UI is lying

[terse idol]

So you get 8 stacks

[tall torrent]

• didn’t know about using 2 frags to stack bleed actually dealt a significant amount of dmg to anything that’s not a crusher
• viewed tinkerer pretty harshly as a result
• didn’t understand veteran breakpoints enough to know the true value behind the 10% melee dmg node
• completely missed the mark on how focus target keystone is meant to be used
• valued demo team lower because “it’s a grenade regen talent” when in reality most sane people take demo team on top of demo stockpile to have a constant influx of grenades to be spammed
• missed the value of the -stamina regen delay nodes (1 gives you Zealot stamina management, 2 gives you Psyker stamina management) which can be very valuable when tanking aggro
• maybe more, I can’t name all rn

[terse idol]

Right

You kill that target

[strange sparrow]

I never knew that

[terse idol]

So what's happening

[strange sparrow]

Daemonhost can get

Nurgle blessing

Poor Zealot

[terse idol]

You get the 32%
You get your stacks of whatever buff you chose

[valid moss]

I was balling my eyes out in confusion at the frag stuff

[terse idol]

What do yall mean

You get the kill

[torn root]

yikes

2 things

[tiny summit]

Yea unless the UI is lying the stack buffs aren't independent just refreshed

[terse idol]

Now you have buffs + a dead enemy and your focus target stacks are still passively gaining

[torn root]

I dont like demo team ngl but it is good in conjunction with an extra grenade

[terse idol]

I thought they were independent

Unless...

[torn root]

and stamina regen delay talent is SO damaned good

i almost took the 2nd one on the left side

[tiny summit]

If you want to crunch the numbers in the psykhanium but as far as I know the UI keeps whatever the current highest stack

[terse idol]

Like, I'm asking because the tool tip doesn't say it refreshes

Frankly it's better if it's independent

[terse idol]

I just thought you gained another maybe non-stacking buff ontop of it

Unless it stacks

[tiny summit]

Demo team supremacy

[torn root]

that needs to be tested

[terse idol]

[torn root]

it never procs for me

[tiny summit]

I don't got time for that

[torn root]

and it competes with Iron will for me

[terse idol]

Naw it probably doesn't stack you can't just get 20% extra damage

[tiny summit]

Some other nerd can do it

Max dmg is 12% with 8 stacks

[terse idol]

Time to test it later

[torn root]

32%?

[terse idol]

Like okay what you're telling me is when you kill an enemy for the subnode

Oh wait

No yeah you're right

Holy hell my brain

[tall torrent]

Demo stockpile + demo team = throw up to 6 frags in one horde
You may not always have to, but having that ability to stagger & bleed every enemy has an incredible amount of value that can be run saving

[terse idol]

It does refresh the highest stack regardless of how many focus target stacks you have on a target

[tiny summit]

The UI element for Focus Fire buff only appears with redirect fire and the stacks don't have independent timers. Only refresh

[terse idol]

You have stacks of the subnode on redirect (8) 12% extra damage for your team

Focus target tag 1 enemy with 3 stacks

Refresh the 8

Yess you're right

[torn root]

oh that's spicy

[terse idol]

Whew that took too long

Naw yeah I noticed that playing focus too

[torn root]

i believe it, im not giginv up iron will for it lmao

may the team SUFFER

[strange sparrow]

Will never give up Iron Will because it's just great

Give up other stuff thou

[tiny summit]

So unless UI is lying (who knows with the bugs in this game) I will be in blissful ignorance that I can keep 12% dmg topped off with 1 stack

[strange sparrow]

UI always lie until it stop lying

ie. Long shot start buffing from 8 meter +

but it never stated in it's tooltip

[terse idol]

That's normal

Yes its loong

[torn root]

yeah but i think the game hints that 8m is close range everything out side of that is considered far after that

which is dumb

like super frigin dumb

[tiny summit]

I consider 8m close

[torn root]

yeah but isnt 10m close too?

thats just 2 meters off

[tiny summit]

Idk fatshark coding

[terse idol]

Well its less coding more

Needless complexity

[torn root]

is think 5m makes more sense for close cause you can literally touch someone there

[terse idol]

If we want to nip pick

[torn root]

shits just arbitrary

[terse idol]

Its the same rule as >recieve bonus toughness regen when no enemies are present within 8m

[torn root]

nah i just need the designers to not hide numbers

[terse idol]

Therefore 8m is also close range

[terse idol]

Yeah its just needless complexity

I don't wanna bring out a spreadsheet

[torn root]

still need to know then if 8m is close

[terse idol]

And estimate the damage based on meters

[tiny summit]

What's close dmg? Idk I get dmg.
What's impact? Idk sounds important.
What's power? Idk I like more power.
What's a Salvo? Idk I keep shooting.

[torn root]

at waht range does lonshot get max value?

8x3?

more?

[terse idol]

Salvo makes sense ro be fair

[torn root]

let me know fat shark

[terse idol]

Do you want weird wording

What the fuck is an "enemy hit mass"

Why does it get lowered by 1

1 of what

What hitmass do crushers have

[torn root]

the Salvo term lines up with irl description i think

[tiny summit]

Dummy thicc enemy

[terse idol]

Why is it good when it gets lowered

[terse idol]

Why does it affect lesser enemies

[dusty sluice]

would this perhaps go well with the columnus 7?

[torn root]

simultanious discharge

[terse idol]

Poxwalkers are skinny

BM benefits cleave on poxwalkers

[trim steppe]

No it doesn't, cuz a "salvo" is never defined anywhere, it ends up being "a short time between shots" or something idk keep shooting

[terse idol]

I'm losing it

[dusty sluice]

me too :3

[torn root]

this one also makes sense

[tiny summit]

Everyone has mass dummy. So obviously it's important for the thicc bois

[terse idol]

I just thought it was the first

Shots in a salvo