veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Whats it gonna do

Tickle ur toughness?

[wanton dawn]

Well, considering i play bayo, yes ?

[signal mango]

Half of the cosmetics in commissary make you look like a Dreg in VentPurge.
Now you got glowing, yellow eyes like poxwalkers.

#You'reGonnaGetShot.

[gusty bison]

Yea tickle ur toughness

So not much

[wanton dawn]

You should try bayo build sometimes. It is eye opening

[umbral scaffold]

I’d take out a loan if they just released the scion cosmetics already

[wintry bay]

im still floored that vermintide is currently giving away cosmetics while darktide is ramping up prices for theirs, a single DT skin is now the same price as entire DLCs for vermintide

[gusty bison]

I do run bayo lmao

[wanton dawn]

Then idk what to tell yah

[gusty bison]

Its why i am so confused as to why you treat shotgunners as a serious threat

Sprint, slide, stab.

If they are in danger range

[rapid hedge]

ok bois pls dont cringe too hard but this is my current vet tree. Basically its a support + high dps vet when needed ( with voice of command I get a bunch of dps buffs + the overshield ), get free nades every 60 seconds. Rest are just quality of life choices like extra melee damage , free movement when my toughness gets broken , no ammo use on crit, and a few buffs from my keystone. What do ya'll think ?:D

[gusty bison]

If they are not, one shot to the head

[wintry bay]

how ya getting pics of the whole tree?

[bitter turtle]

Gameslantern build maker

[rapid hedge]

i use the games lantern website, they have a build editor

[bitter turtle]

Demo team would give more support than the rest of your support nodes combined so I'd drop something for it

Do you really need that power on weakspot node

[wanton dawn]

Cuz i assume worst case, which is actually getting shot at during unchecked ambush such as mid event on train ambush map

[bitter turtle]

Oh wait nvm

You use krak

Ignore what I said

[gusty bison]

Then just... dodge, slide

[rapid hedge]

ya

xD

[wanton dawn]

Also idc when using plasma, am at range anyway

[rapid hedge]

wait whats demo team im trynna find it on the tree lol

[bitter turtle]

Then my suggestion is

Use shredder

Grab demo team with free point

[umbral scaffold]

Demo team is near the bottom middle tree

[barren cave]

is the 50% dmg buff on krak grenade necessary?, does it still instaskill crushers?

[bitter turtle]

It's next to iron will

[gusty bison]

You can avoid like 6+ gunners while in the open by dodging alone

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a 5% chance to get a grenade when you or someone in coherency kills an elite

Nade spam in auric

[rapid hedge]

ohhh

[strange sparrow]

How consistent is Demo Team thou

[gusty bison]

Suppression just makes it more difficult for u to kill said 6 gunners

[rapid hedge]

wait but 5% sounds...... tiny af @_@

[gusty bison]

Extremely

Just might be overkill

[strange sparrow]

Never run it in mael auric

Maybe I will give it a try

[umbral scaffold]

Depends on how many elites spawn

[rapid hedge]

shredder as in the grenade? but Krak do so much damage meng

[barren cave]

its for your whole team in coherency on elite kills, elites are nonstop packs on damnation plus

[umbral scaffold]

Mael auric you will reap demo team pretty damn well

[rapid hedge]

hmmm i see

[strange sparrow]

Dont trust people here, they all want shredder but they ignore Krak just delete something you dont like

[rapid hedge]

xD

[wanton dawn]

I keep that in mind next time i see recommendation about gunner bp

[strange sparrow]

I play krak because I want to delete stuff I dont like

[bitter turtle]

Shredder is extremely strong in auric marl

[rapid hedge]

ya same like crushers KEK

[barren cave]

speaking of krak, does krak still instakill crushers without the 50% dmg buff node

[umbral scaffold]

Make multiple loadouts you can do that in the inventory screen and see what you like. Shredder is viable in a different way than kraks

[bitter turtle]

2 grenades kill mixed hordes of gunners ragers etc

[rapid hedge]

wait but what should i remove for the 1 point for demo team?

[idle carbon]

depends how loyal you are..
right, citizen?

[strange sparrow]

Yea, I don't think I ever toss a grenade with the 50% damage buff node

[gusty bison]

Yes but killing gunners fast is also good

[bitter turtle]

You don't need to if you stay on krak

[gusty bison]

;)

[bitter turtle]

Krak is situational

[rapid hedge]

oh

[wintry bay]

current helbore build im using, made it for survivability and nade spam. Any big shit im missing? (like to say at t5 i can facetank poxbursters/crushers without hp damage)

[bitter turtle]

You don't chuck it everywhere like shredders

[gusty bison]

Otherwise just use a recon

[rapid hedge]

wait so are you guys saying that my build is actually.... viable?:D

[haughty pond]

sounds like grey knights type beat lol

[barren cave]

I dont either, but if krak still instakills crushers without the dmg buff node for it, ima take the node off

[umbral scaffold]

Do you win games

[rapid hedge]

yes and no

[umbral scaffold]

Do you have fun while winning

[strange sparrow]

You probably dont need it

it does 4200 damage or something

[wanton dawn]

I can just use plasma and get cozy or try my hand at arguably worse option and not rate them above their weight class

[rapid hedge]

cause of the 2 tiny ass wounds i have e_e

[umbral scaffold]

Wounds won’t affect your win rate tbf

Don’t worry about wounds focus on health and toughness and git gud

[rapid hedge]

ok so correct me if im wrong... i only take chip damage to my HP if my thoughness is below 100 right?

[wintry bay]

i always take 1 wound on everything butr og, its so nice to be able to see if ya fuck up imo

[gusty bison]

Below 100%

Not 100

[strange sparrow]

People Advocate Shredder because they want to use grenade more,
I advocate for Krak because I want to delete stuff I dont like

[rapid hedge]

wait wtf counts as 100% o_e

[idle carbon]

full toughness

[rapid hedge]

u mean no matter how high my toughness gets the moment i lose 1 toughness i get chip damaged anyway ? WTF

[gusty bison]

Yes

You learn to deal with it

[rapid hedge]

i thought it was 100 this whole time e_e

[strange sparrow]

Don't worry, you're not a zealot that is on 1 hp

[gusty bison]

Basically dont get hit by melee twice in a row and ur fine

[idle carbon]

there was a short period where it actually was 100 toughness after one patch
and veterans could get like, 300 lol

[gusty bison]

And chip generally isnt much anywau

[umbral scaffold]

Yea bud learn to block push and/or dodge

[wintry bay]

hear me out, big horde with ragers, mobs, bulwarks and crushers boutta end your run. You can use kraks to damage maybe kill the crushers. Or shredders stun everything, kill everything but the crushers in the entire area

[idle carbon]

ofc they took away the fun and fixed it soon after

[rapid hedge]

ye but its so annoying to see that one little bastard tick of corruption damage on my perfectly shiny healthbar lol

[barren cave]

brother

its time to play zealot

[rapid hedge]

xD

[strange sparrow]

I never see Ragers/Mobs as problem
Bulwarks and Crusher can be killed instantly with Kraks

[gusty bison]

First world problems :P

[strange sparrow]

A stack of crusher (6 spawn) die to 3 krak

Shredder, toss it maybe great maybe not so, but I get to instantly destroy Crusher with kraks which is viewed as bigger problem in my run

and everything that isn't dead get knock

[placid portal]

Shreddas are just m'beloved

[strange sparrow]

Stacked Crusher is big problem, and Krak kill them for me, which I could do other stuff

[umbral scaffold]

Very satisfying when you actually kill a crusher pack with a single krak grenade but it doesn’t proc often enough

[manic summit]

I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron I hate Hadron

[placid portal]

Use voice push to maximize odds

[strange sparrow]

I can get constant 2+ kill with Kraks

[rapid hedge]

is the 20% damage against gunners worth taking on curio xd?

[umbral scaffold]

Yea but voc

[placid portal]

ye

[umbral scaffold]

I gotta be different

[placid portal]

Your Toughness shreds without it pretty fast

I think it also applies to shotgunners as well

[strange sparrow]

Another fact is missing throw with Kraks doesn't matter

It have some shitty magnet that stick onto cara

[manic summit]

Really wishing I could get power cycler two by earning power cycler one multiple times

[strange sparrow]

So you could lebron james a krak half the room across to help your team out (I did it a lot)

[rapid hedge]

wait gunners curio applys to shotgunners too??? i remember poppin voice of command and then turning to 5 fuckin shotgunners and voice of command became fart of command T_T

[placid portal]

Hadron probably has the schematics for Power Cycler

[wintry bay]

@strange sparrow https://youtu.be/nBCn8qIPebk?feature=shared&t=750 is the best video i can find fro shredder superiority i will die on this mountain

[placid portal]

But don't care

[rapid hedge]

so gunners curio works against shotgunners??

[strange sparrow]

Don't care, Hate Shredder
Krak one shot stuff I dont like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518070716235644938/816725964528681029/image0-2-1-1.gif

[placid portal]

Understandable opinion

[trim hemlock]

No, only long range gunners and ogryn Ripper

[strange sparrow]

How about you lebron james half a room with your shredder

[rapid hedge]

damn T_T

[manic summit]

I can imagine Hadron's smug look of superiority as she sees me, still covered in blood from the last mission, bring her another power sword and some plasteel, knowing damn well what I want and knowing even better I won't get it

[rapid hedge]

is the 4% combat regen worth it at all xd? it make like 30 second cooldown into like 28.8 second cool down lol

[cedar pecan]

The will of the Omnissiah is beyond your limited understanding, varlet

[strange sparrow]

Hot take : In my opinion yes

[rapid hedge]

o_O

[strange sparrow]

Especially on VOC

[placid portal]

tbh just using tactical awareness is more than enough for VoC inmo

[manic summit]

Shut up, I feed you plasteel like the American food industry feeds children high fructose corn syrup. I have earned Power Cycler 2

[rapid hedge]

@strange sparrow ok ok . if u had to choose between stacking the 4% cd or stamina regen for vet ( auric maelstrom ) which would u take?

[strange sparrow]

Here's me with 22s VoC

[placid portal]

What makes no sense is how she doesn't know power cycler on other players but also knows it through your account

[strange sparrow]

10Seconds 50 Toughness

so half the time, Team have +50 toughness

[placid portal]

*full toughness + 50 Toughness

Fun stuff

[rapid hedge]

so stamina regen aint that important for vet huh

[placid portal]

there are better ways

[strange sparrow]

Stack well with IronWill

[placid portal]

Like Duck and Dive

or Target down

instant stamina surge

and the stamina delay is also a nice chef's kiss

[manic summit]

Or how I can give her power cycler 1 and she can't figure out how to just slap it on twice or something

[strange sparrow]

Imagine you have 200 Toughness (75%) = 150 Toughness Threshold
Now you have 250 Toughness (200 + 50 from VoC) but your toughness threshold remain the same for IronWill

[rapid hedge]

ok so do u think its worth it for me to replace Marksman ( VOC gives 20% power for 10 sec ) for duck and dive ?

[placid portal]

uhhhh data optimization bc it loses effectiveness if you slap too much shit on it

[strange sparrow]

I don't take Duck and Dive a lot

[placid portal]

dunno what your focus on build is

[strange sparrow]

Regenerating Stamina isn't my problem

[placid portal]

Deadshot + Duck and Dive a perfect couple

[rapid hedge]

cause i feel like i dont run out of stamina very often but when it does i get pounced on by the stoopid hound cause i got no stam to push e_e

[strange sparrow]

Yep

But I have skill issue in DeadShot

[placid portal]

Usually the only reason you lack stamina is because you use deadshot

So target down side upgrade from focus target + duck and dive are good options

Plus

Duck and Dive + Stripped Down = Gunner Immunity

[rapid hedge]

oh im not using deadshot. this is my tree if it helps xD

[placid portal]

weapon of choice?

[rapid hedge]

helbor mk 1 + power sword mk6

[placid portal]

Yea don't go right tree

[rapid hedge]

o_0

[strange sparrow]

I build like this with hellBore mk 2 with Psword

This is considered "off-meta" i believe

[placid portal]

If you wanna make the best bang for buck for helbore deadshot is hella neat

[placid portal]

Yea, Marksmen's focus kinda meh over focus target

[rapid hedge]

wait how does deadshot work with helbor?

cause the secondary is bayonet o_0

[placid portal]

ADS and Get free crits

[rapid hedge]

WAIT WHAT

[placid portal]

Use stamina for ez aim

[strange sparrow]

HellBore -> Crit -> Refund Bullet -> Super Effiency with Ammo

[rapid hedge]

THE ALTERNATE FIRE IS THE ADS NOT THE BAYONET??

[placid portal]

Yea alt fire is RMB

[strange sparrow]

Yes

[rapid hedge]

BRUH

[strange sparrow]

Special is Bayo

[placid portal]

kidna misleading for FS to explain

also to make full use of deadshot 1 stamina curio is really comfortable

[rapid hedge]

but what if wanan keep VOC tho

[strange sparrow]

MarksMan Focus help me goes through a lot of Breakpoint just by standing still or hitting headshot

[placid portal]

Dunno Focus target does that too to be quite frank

legit only breakpoints iirc you need to make is the 1 tap for reapers with mk3

[strange sparrow]

It doesn't help you body shot trash mob with uncharged

but Marksman Focus does

[rapid hedge]

ohhhh

[placid portal]

? Marksman focus don't boost dmg?

Only finesse%

so only on weakpoint hits

[strange sparrow]

Confused, let me boot up the game

[bitter turtle]

Focus is finesse

[rapid hedge]

i feel like i move around alot on vet tho. i hit headshots on specials then use my bayo on trashmobs or ps if there are too many

[placid portal]

Yea Marksman Focus is finesse so crits and weakpoint

[bitter turtle]

You need to hit weakpoints for mark focus to help

[placid portal]

Reasons to use Focus target

[bitter turtle]

Frankly I'd go melee talent heavy for helbore

Bayonet is unironically the stronger half of the weapon

[placid portal]

that is cool

I remember how agile engagement triggers on bayonet kills as well

dunno if that's still a thing

[strange sparrow]

It is still a thing

[placid portal]

[placid portal]

unless Mk3

[rapid hedge]

its only 8% incrase in damage tho DX

[placid portal]

8% more than enough for 1 shot kills to be consistant, more so for the Stamina recovery on kill

[strange sparrow]

20%

[rapid hedge]

eh?

[placid portal]

stacks build up very fast

[strange sparrow]

+4% each stack

5 stack

[rapid hedge]

OH

my math dumb

hmmm

[placid portal]

darn

But even so iirc 2 stacks is enough to 1 tap reaper with mk3

[strange sparrow]

It help you make a lot of breakpoint

some people even bind it to Mb1

[placid portal]

Also helps alot for Brautos imo

[placid portal]

Which I find annoying at times

[rapid hedge]

so its between a flat 20% damage on targets i do tag VS a 330% range crit hit chance + 20% ranged attack speed + 15% melee attack speed +10% dodge speed and distance

[placid portal]

wait ranged attack speed?

you mean damage right?

[rapid hedge]

ya weapon specialist give +2% ranged attack speed , stacks at 10 o_0

[placid portal]

Pretty sure Weapon Specialist is crit + dmg

for ranged

Also no need for fancy weapon swappings

[placid portal]

What teh fuck

[rapid hedge]

+2% ranged attack speed o_o

xD

[placid portal]

also iirc critical bonus is only 1st shot isn't it?

[strange sparrow]

You're right, it was Killzone that help me meet the breakpoint for fully charge las gun body shot trash poxwalker

[placid portal]

[rapid hedge]

thats why i chose this keystone over focus target i feel it gives a stupid number of buffs compared to a flat 20% increase in dps, but then again that 20% might be enough to 1 tap stuff more :/

[placid portal]

Why bother shooting poxxies

[rapid hedge]

so many choices @_@

[placid portal]

Focus target benefits the whole team as well for stamina and toughness recovery

[strange sparrow]

I play so much Auric V now that Im bored of pulling out my melee

[placid portal]

[strange sparrow]

Too lazy, just dodge dude

Also because Bayonet have Cleave

[rapid hedge]

welp unfortunately i can only reach focus target after removing the talents that i think i dont need xD

[rapid hedge]

on the plus side i do get demo team + 10% rending on all weapons

[strange sparrow]

Mk3 Barrel + Columnus Iron Sight make this weapon ironsight look so great

Turn into a M1 Garand kind of Ironsight

[rapid hedge]

is that a mod o-0

it looks so goooooooood

[strange sparrow]

Ye it's a mod

I HATE HADRON I HATE HADRON I HATE HADRON

[placid portal]

ripperonis

[strange sparrow]

My lobby is just knife zealot pain

[umbral scaffold]

Are they loners

[raw crag]

how's shattering impact vs blaze away on a plasma gun?

i just got this roll and am pondering if it's worth to keep consecrating

[rare tartan]

Hadron loves meh

guys what bis perks for plasma ?

[raw crag]

holy guoc

[muted knot]

whats meta perks/blessings for the rashad axe

[raw crag]

check the first pinned comment

according to that it's blaze away and gets hot

but ifeel like shattering impact should be good too

[raw crag]

prolly brutal momentum/decimator or headtaker for blessings

and can't go wrong with flak/maniac for perks

[grizzled pebble]

Best zealot build.

[fallow beacon]

do the ghost shots for the plasma gun do any damage whatsoever

had to shoot a gunner three times just to kill him because it was literally just ghost shots 80% of the time

[muted knot]

yes full damage just no animation

[void bronze]

What do I change on this one

[muted knot]

blaze away insteadof shattering imo

[fallow beacon]

and i'd change the 1st perk to probably unyielding

[harsh bobcat]

i hate to use plasma weapon.. its so boring xD

[fallow beacon]

felt like mine wasnt even working for most of the run

[void bronze]

I was thinking about that bc I’m not very accurate since I’m console and monkey brain can’t do mouse and keyboard but I can definitely spam

[strange sparrow]

Every gun is boring

Unironically

After you play it for a while, it just become very very boring

[polar pagoda]

Man its sad to see your favorite build not getting any action/videos on youtube (I use smoke nade with ally-affected executioner stance though no keystone). Honestly thought that was gonna be the most obvious thing to build

[void bronze]

I like smokes and I have noticed that I tend to help the team more than when I use the other 2

[polar pagoda]

it relieves so much pressure and provides a stress free minigame to shoot gunners that cant even shoot back at the team

[mystic owl]

decent psword at melks

[polar pagoda]

pretty nice hope you got that 2 energized blessings tho (powercycler i mean)

[mystic owl]

Prefer shovel

[harsh bobcat]

Not really few weapons are for me still funny, but still few are incredible boring

[placid portal]

Brautos do have a different feels

[iron marten]

yo

[pure nacelle]

Hi guys, do you know when the steel legion set is coming back again?

[trim hemlock]

Hey. No one knows that but Fatshark.

[signal mango]

Are Redacted[MakeEveryShotCount, OnOverwatch] still do-able?

• do I need to run with an "empty talent-tree"?

[fiery kraken]

am i missing something or are the swords complete ass? they are cleave weapon but still far worse against hordes than an axe

at least in my experience

[trim hemlock]

Which swords?

[fiery kraken]

regular ones, not chainsaw

[trim hemlock]

Yes they are, and no (re: completing the penances with an empty skill tree - I’m not sure where that came from)

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t say they’re ass, but they provide effortless damage against hordes, have decent cleave and a defensive move on the special button. I don’t think that they can compete with combat axes for damage however.

But combat axes are like the most straightforward and simple, and effective melee weapon one can use, so the bar to beat them in terms of complexity is not very high

[oblique belfry]

I don't like axes, it feels too much 1 target-y

[signal mango]

Ogryn "SomethingInYourEye" wouldn't complete if you used the skill-tree's "GrenadeBox". You needed the default one (without the skilltree).

[white minnow]

gotta make your momentum brutal

[trim hemlock]

Yes, but my understanding of it is that the mentioned Veteran’s penances don’t mention any requirement other than what’s described

[signal mango]

The new 'meme'-weapon is the dagger anyway.
Zellies, Vets, even Psykers started using them.

[fathom current]

Zealot shadow gang

[signal mango]

Eg Executioner's Stance vs EmptyTree might be an issue for 20s of Volley.

[fathom current]

Am I still able to get the Krieg set?

[trim hemlock]

Combat blade is not really meme-y, but I probably wouldn’t take it on any other character than Psyker

[trim hemlock]

No, it rotated out like 1.5 month ago

[fathom current]

Big sad, hope it comes back

[trim hemlock]

We won’t know when it comes back up :)

[fathom current]

FatShark said they aren't gonna FOMO us right?

Will eventually rotate?

[signal mango]

I play pug, and half the time they use PS/FS/DS/Evsc (class specific weapons).
The other half, it's a dagger.

[trim hemlock]

Fair, but, again, it’s not any of the penances you originally mentioned

[signal mango]

Yup, But I don't know Vet or Ogryn(which annoyed me, I spent 4 missions trying to get it to work).

[strange sparrow]

Praying they buff lasgun

Most of them feel underwhelming

[signal mango]

My Zelly is starting to use Kantrel12.
Too many Vets and Psykers with daggers running around instead of doing thier shootig.

• the infiltrate/shroudfield almost DEMANDS high mobility (dagger)

[signal mango]

Tea Cup.. I'll kill you with my tea cup.

[tulip mountain]

knife go fast

[signal mango]

When everyone uses it, it's gonna get nerfed.
I see more dagger than I see (powerswords+chswords).

[fathom current]

Zoomin

[tulip mountain]

i don't think bolters ever got touched and people may just be tired of their old weapons

[vernal harbor]

places plasteel on the counter

[fathom current]

Bolter would be so much better if it wasn't so sluggish

[tulip mountain]

that's probably the point

[signal mango]

I want to see bolt-pistol/plasma-pistols.
(to be fair - that's a revolver with cosmetic animation.)

[fathom current]

The revolvers are just better at this point, bolter needs some love

[vernal harbor]

Halberd update when

[signal mango]

Evisc/Daggers are 50/50 right now.

[tulip mountain]

does it count if I mostly spam the helbore bayonet instead anyways?

[placid portal]

count for what?

[signal mango]

The exception is Psykers:
DuellingSword > Dagger > ForceSwords on their usage this week.

[placid portal]

I only use daggers if I wanna do funny TF2 spy Backstabbings

[tulip mountain]

the initial choice of dagger was purely for asthetics but now going fast is nice

[signal mango]

Everyone has their own justification.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-meet-the-spy-butterfly-knife-backstab-gif-24836393

how it feels to use infiltrate vet

Knife Sprinting is insane ngl

Only thing that can compete that is Lucius Mk1 & 2 Bayonet charge

[strange sparrow]

I hate knife player

[placid portal]

1 knife is ok

But more than 1? Trouble

[strange sparrow]

Remember

[signal mango]

When the action gets hot.
You 4x man team, turns into a 2x man team.

[strange sparrow]

Malcador die for us to have 4 zealot knife main

That loot 0 plasteel

[placid portal]

it aint my fault for not picking up plasteel when everyone else grabs it before I get there

You use Knife to Get behind enemy lines to kill
I use Knife to reach Hidden caches to get Plasteel

We are not the same

[signal mango]

Everyone has a reason.

• I was getting the boss.
• My wife was going into labour and I needed to get to the hospital.
• I was already in the queue, I only went to the toilet.

[placid portal]

[tulip mountain]

I can't pickup plasteel when people slip it out from under me since i had to open the box

[placid portal]

Some people really good at ninja looting others

[tulip mountain]

like bro it's a shared loot pool chill

[placid portal]

Could be ammo for flamer to be spent for 2 seconds

[strange sparrow]

Only thing I expect from knife player is to get plasteel

Especially loner aura man

[signal mango]

When Vets magdump into horde of poxwalker/groaners.
But use their dagger to disappear.,

[uneven hull]

What are the best blessings for a old Revoler?

[strange sparrow]

The +80% rending and surgical

[misty quest]

I run crucian roulette and the rending one

[signal mango]

You must mean Agrippina.
Rending is target specific, and won't stack if a Zaroina puts it down in 2x shots.

[strange sparrow]

Roulette is pretty good too

But rending important

[misty quest]

Yeah rending is way too useful for me

Surgical if you want to snipe, crucian if you wanna blikky

[signal mango]

Surgical .. and maybe DeadlyAccurate
(but that's only effective in breakpoints for headshots)

[strange sparrow]

Crusher

[signal mango]

DeadlyAccurate, headshot = 2x damage.
Unless you're bodyshot fannig with Agrippina.

in which case it makes Surgical useless,

[uneven hull]

I am trying to pull that stuff of where people are oneshotting Crushers

[strange sparrow]

And again, There isn't a lot of good blessing on Revolver, it's already pretty good with base stats

[strange sparrow]

I dont think that's on Zorana

[misty quest]

I use zorana, didnt know deadly accurate was on agrip so thats good to know

[signal mango]

Rending and Surgical are the opposing effects.
SPAM vs 3sec aim.

[lofty lintel]

hand cannon surgical

[signal mango]

how many Zarona headshot for crusher?

[strange sparrow]

356 per shot

[signal mango]

sorry, how many shots required

[strange sparrow]

or 10 shots required without crit

But with crit, this damage goes to 1.2k

[signal mango]

So you can do it in say, 6x shots if you consistently get criticals

[devout coral]

What does rending do?

[strange sparrow]

With Handcannon, 3 shot

[lofty lintel]

2-3 shots

[strange sparrow]

Ignore Armor in % when crit

[devout coral]

That's radical

[strange sparrow]

So Surgical Guarantee Crit

Crit Guarantee Rending headshot

[midnight mortar]

Rending adds a % of the damage total you would apply to a particular armor type like flak or carapace to your final damage total.

[signal mango]

hmm
you have a point

[midnight mortar]

It does not apply to Unarmored or Infested.

[lofty lintel]

old revolver literally kills everything in 2-3shots if you crit

[strange sparrow]

So when rending + Crit Happen, it does 1.2k damage

instead of 619

[misty quest]

Revolver one taps most things with a crit, i dont use rending to be the one to kill the crusher but stagger and get it low enough thay they dont be a pain.

Unless theres like 5 then its bopbopbop

[lofty lintel]

ive killed 2 crushers with 1 mag

[strange sparrow]

This is the same revolver

[signal mango]

3 shot a crusher instead of 10shot

[misty quest]

Revolver works pretty well with righthand keystone

[lofty lintel]

revolver is amazing with weapons specialist

its the only build i use it with

[placid portal]

The damage is quite misleading if you use handcannon

[lofty lintel]

yeah LOL

[strange sparrow]

I know right

It's so dumb

[strange sparrow]

LOOK AT THIS

LIKE FS HOW

[placid portal]

3 shot headshot

[lofty lintel]

99999 with hand cannon critical weakspoint hit

[placid portal]

but all has to crit iirc

[lofty lintel]

yes

all crits

[strange sparrow]

That's why I recommend Surgical

It's kinda the most reliable way to get crits imo

[misty quest]

Better than tinking them for 3 damage lol

[placid portal]

But with Deadshot + Surgical + Weapon Specialist really works wonders

[cedar pecan]

I love how this helmet icon is super low res for no reason

[lofty lintel]

id say deadshot is overkill

[signal mango]

Surgical4 (take 3sec to aim)

[placid portal]

Mk3 can 2 tap if you use focus target

[lofty lintel]

less

[strange sparrow]

Even if you're spamming shots with Surgical, it doesn't matter

[lofty lintel]

you never aim up to 10 stacks

[strange sparrow]

Because it's a stack of 10

not a instances of 100%

[placid portal]

Nah pretty good since you save a bit of time like 0.6 seconds of ADS

[lofty lintel]

usually 3 stacks of surgical is enough

up to 5

[strange sparrow]

3 stack is 1.2 seconds which is your interval of shots

[placid portal]

So you reliably crit on 1 stack

[misty quest]

I only go crucian because i like to hipfire

[placid portal]

[misty quest]

Im also really stingy with my ammo

[signal mango]

10% per 0.3 sec, stacks 10x.
3sec = 100% chance
sure, you can do it with less.

[placid portal]

Best for Agripinaa ngl

[strange sparrow]

30% + 25% (Deadshot) + 5% (Base) + 5% (if you take crit node)

[lofty lintel]

i know but you are getting crit chance from other sources which makes aiming for 3 seconds a bad idea

3 stacks is enough to crit

[misty quest]

I also kind of abuse my healthbar mod to help save ammo

[lofty lintel]

and thats 1second of aiming (0.9)

[strange sparrow]

You can further increase 5% into the weapon perks

[lofty lintel]

use agri revolver then

seems like fits more your playstyle and will reward it better

agripinaa revolver is hand cannon crucian

[strange sparrow]

70% Crit Chances which is very high

[placid portal]

Either you 1 shot em or 2 shot

I dunno about you but some reason rager head is so damn tiny when shooting them and they can outright miss if they swivel

[strange sparrow]

Here's the probability model if you're shooting with 70% crit chance

[misty quest]

Tap em on the head and get them low enough my ogryn can sneeze on them

[strange sparrow]

Went and do the math for this

27.1% If there's no funny math behind crit for fat shark to kill Crusher in 5 rounds

[uneven hull]

What perks should I put on the Revolver?

[dusty sluice]

surgical + handcannon and manaic/flak/cara

[uneven hull]

Ye ye, that's the blessings, but what about perks?

[dusty sluice]

hit enter too early lol

[uneven hull]

I see

Thanks for the help guys

[torn root]

its funny yall are talking about revolver

there is a youtube that speaks out against going carapace on revolvers, some guy asked a question and he turned off commenting, lmao

but he vehemently recommended against it

[lofty lintel]

then hes not a reliable source of info

[torn root]

oh ofc

probably a cry baby trying to make a name

[lofty lintel]

cara is more than viable on the new revolver

[torn root]

but it was interesting a part of it

[dusty sluice]

i take maniac as a prioty one then flak or cara

[lofty lintel]

on old revolver not so much becaues the breakpoint is still 2-3 shots iirc

[torn root]

so because you only run into like 10ish to 20ish Crushers he said it's not worth

kinda don't agree with that and want opinions from the discord

[lofty lintel]

i dont understand the statement

[torn root]

okay to clarify

DONT take carapace

[lofty lintel]

cara dmg isnt worth it because you only kill 15 crushers in one match?

[torn root]

because you dont run into enough crushers

[lofty lintel]

wow

[torn root]

yeah that's his argument

i dont think its a good one

[lofty lintel]

i mean in heresy sure

no its a very not valid argument

[torn root]

like cara damage wont affect most targets but you have a whole other perk slot right?

but get this, he recommends crit damage and elite damage instead

its weird

[lofty lintel]

old revolver doesnt run cara dmg anymore because it got nerfed and cant 2-shot anymore

[torn root]

ESPECIALLY Recommending crit damage

[lofty lintel]

jesus christ

crit dmg is one of the worst perks

i think hes just yapping

[torn root]

shotty demonstrations no spread sheets either i thought it was funny

then i saw this discussion

[lofty lintel]

he made up an argument to make a video and try to get views

[torn root]

that's all

[torn root]

pretty much

[lofty lintel]

the crit dmg math is weird and its VERY abysmal

[torn root]

blatantly says if you speak against him he's deleting your comment too lmao

internet is full of funny ppl

not gunna talk much about anyone here but he's using weapon specialists to back up revolver damage, which i lowkey think is ass

[signal mango]

who are you talking about

[torn root]

no long shot, no killzone

i don't want to bring too much views to a shit take on YT

but its Tanner Lindberg

very poor testing imo tho

[signal mango]

FairEnough - gonna take your word on this: I've seen too many DramaFarmers.
Too many:

• "it's over" / "you didn't expect this" / "the west has fallen"

[torn root]

i can only say that even if i dont agree with ppl here sometimes

yall do kinda spit some info on BP and concept

which is more helpful than a vid like that

[lofty lintel]

crit dmg is 10% crit dmg on top of another percentage which makes the damage difference nll

null

i wont say exact numbers because i dont remember the math

[torn root]

well it scales on top of other modifyers but you would still get more from specific buffs since they give bigger numbers

[lofty lintel]

cara on old revolver isnt useless, but not ideal, cara on new revolver goes hard

[torn root]

i just thought recommending crit damage was hilarious, im gunna be honest

[lofty lintel]

yeah

pretty outrageous thing to say

[signal mango]

Yup .. carapace too many more useful perks are available.

• Maniac << If I could take that twice, I would.
  dozens of chargers, ragers and muties.

[torn root]

my bad he says "If you're gunna argue that giving up universal damage to meet a specific break point on an enemy that your only going to run in to about 20 or 30 of maximum, in an auric maelstrom mission --- you are delusional"

so that means taking it on plasma gun should be the same

why hit breakpoints when you can waste ammo

[torn root]

I can see that, but there is a concept called coverage, you have 2 weapons lmao

[signal mango]

I would rather tank a pack of crushers/maulers than a pack of chargers.
if I could nuke it from a distance, I would.

[torn root]

oh and he reccomends using the new shovel into a pack of crushers, I'd like to see the end results of that

[misty quest]

10 crushers are more of a headache than gunners

[torn root]

^

[signal mango]

Ogryn Shovel19 🤗
1-shot.

[misty quest]

at least gunners can actually take damage from most guns

[torn root]

in auric i think its better to gear for something that can end the run, rather than to spread your bases and be able deal with all other threats a bit better, but not the one that can delete the team

either way is there a reason why you would focus right side of the tree for a revolver?

no deadshot, no long shot, no killzone?

[signal mango]

What does more damage - special chaxe or special vet-shovel

[torn root]

to crushers? the shovel

[lofty lintel]

yes

[torn root]

it can kill them in 1 special attack

[lofty lintel]

mk7 1 shots

[torn root]

its just a bit clunky to be using in a pack of them

[lofty lintel]

just the mk7

[dusty sluice]

mk3?

[lofty lintel]

because the recovery is super slow

[signal mango]

I know ogryn shovel is GOAT.
But Vet folding shovel?

[lofty lintel]

mk3 doesnt 1 shot but has a much faster recovery, i usually 2-3shot crushers

mk3 is the one i use i hate the mk7

[torn root]

yes vet shovel can kill crushers in one special attack

[signal mango]

wow

[strange sparrow]

My only acceptable way to deal with Crusher now is to not engage in hand to hand combat with them

[dusty sluice]

how would you build a one hit shovel?

[midnight totem]

Weapon specialist and tactical reload is pretty decent

[torn root]

tactical reload i can get ebhind

[lofty lintel]

thrust uncanny strike

[midnight totem]

Plus the keystone modifier for Weapon Specialist to always have a round ready

[lofty lintel]

dmg vs cara

[torn root]

weapon specialist as a keystone is clunky to me

[lofty lintel]

nope

[dusty sluice]

would this?

[lofty lintel]

no reason to use any keystone but wep specialist

[lofty lintel]

yeah

i would have to see but that looks like it hits the 2-shot breakpoint for mk3

[torn root]

eeeh not gunna get into that talk

[dusty sluice]

also with 80% pen, ft and dmg

[strange sparrow]

This is funny

[lofty lintel]

you would have to test if it can one shot, iirc its impossible

however mk7 can but its a lot more unpractical

[midnight totem]

Just 3 melee kills all but guarantee a critical hit with your revolver

With weapon specialist

[lofty lintel]

dont have to its just better

[midnight totem]

And it stacks up to 10, for 20 percent attack speed with the revolver

[torn root]

do you need to crit if you could just get more damage on the tree?

[dusty sluice]

sad

[torn root]

im asking that seriously btw

[lofty lintel]

not so sad

you kill crushers extremey fast with the mk3

due to its recovery

[torn root]

im assuming just for the revolver im sure it probably is

[lofty lintel]

youre more mobile and can get in n out of crusher attacks to wind up another 3stack thrust heavy

[lofty lintel]

oh yeah just revoer

revolver

all keystones are amazing and depending on weapon will synergize better or worse

[tiny summit]

Gonna need to build a good folding shovel but I'm already torn between the base shovel, rashad caxe and PS6

[torn root]

im still bamboozled as to why i didnt see any of the other ranged damage talents on his tree tho

[midnight totem]

That's fair, but as you know, hand cannon is a great blessing

[torn root]

they all have pretty easy pre reqs to abuse

[midnight totem]

50 to 60 Rending on a critical hit

[dusty sluice]

but silly one hits

[midnight totem]

Also, long shot is a good node to me, but kill zone is not

And dead shot... ehhhh

[lofty lintel]

they wont be so silly in auric damn/maelstrom

[torn root]

wait eew

[lofty lintel]

but sure you can go try it

[torn root]

does that mean you are forced to go close and kill for revolver?

HELL NO

[dusty sluice]

wah

[midnight totem]

The things that are far I tend to kill easily with revolver anyway

[strange sparrow]

Crit Lasborn, did I miss out on any critical nodes?

[midnight totem]

The things that are in my face or much closer, I greatly benefit from having the crit ready

[strange sparrow]

Im pondering to get Reciprocity and Duck & Dive

But Im not sure how effective it is

[midnight totem]

Reciprocity is good

[misty quest]

depends on how much you're willing to give up keystones

[torn root]

depends on what you need either for

[lofty lintel]

not getting the rending subnode is heresy

[tiny summit]

I mean...with surgical do you need deadshot?

[strange sparrow]

You dont need Rending for Lasborn

[torn root]

i think reciprocity is slightly better unless you are using deadshot

[midnight totem]

Duck and dive is hilarious if you have a gun with stripped down

[lofty lintel]

wtf is a lasborn

[strange sparrow]

Lasgun Hellbore Mk 2 in specific

[lofty lintel]

oh the helbore

deadshot is overkill with helbore

drop it

[strange sparrow]

Surgical doesn't give a lot of Crit chances when I tested it

maximum stack in my game was 2 stack

[lofty lintel]

t1 surgical sure

[strange sparrow]

T3 Surgical

[lofty lintel]

thats weird then

[strange sparrow]

Because I also got onslaught

[lofty lintel]

what helbore are you usingh

using

[strange sparrow]

Mk2

[lofty lintel]

that makes sense

in that specific case surgical isnt good and its better to run deadshot

[strange sparrow]

Charging rate is 0.35 base

so even without Onslaught, Im getting 1 Stack each, except I don't shoot and hold

[torn root]

oh dis dude WANTED the 5%

respect XD

[tiny summit]

This is what I run with a helbore mk1

[strange sparrow]

Look I want to make it a funny repeater

That I never need to reload

[tiny summit]

2 stack is 20% you don't need evey hit to be a crit

[lofty lintel]

wasting 2 points in the middle

[tiny summit]

Fair enough

[torn root]

nah he didnt waste those points

[slim rivet]

sadge Valhallan skins this time

[torn root]

he went for the 5% crit node

[lofty lintel]

giving more value to flat bonuses in between talents is a mistake

[strange sparrow]

I went for this

[lofty lintel]

deadshot is enough

[tiny summit]

I still shoot a room of gunners and I hit reload and the game says you never used ammo with just surgical

[lofty lintel]

make sure you have good stamina management tho

[strange sparrow]

I dont like my luck

[torn root]

yeah i feel like deadshot NEEDs duck and dive

[lofty lintel]

then 5% wont do much

will it

[torn root]

that talent is nice with it

[lofty lintel]

regardless of luck thats just a bad move

[torn root]

in the long run not really

but it might also depend on his total crit chance achieved

i couldnt recommend 5% crit chance unless you are already abouve 60-70%

[lofty lintel]

hes missing the 20% weakspot power on ability use

[torn root]

thigh higher crit you have the more crit chance value you get

[lofty lintel]

which is a LOT more value than 5% crit chance

[midnight totem]

Duck and dive with a gun with stripped down

[tiny summit]

But 5% crit is always active vs a on ability use node

[torn root]

like 75% crit is a good sweet spot

[strange sparrow]

So here's my current chances on Crit (Guarantee Rate)
Base 5%, 5% from Crit Node, 10% from Opening Salvo, 25% from Deadshot, 5% from Gun Perks
50% base without Surgical or Recipocator

[lofty lintel]

better

[tiny summit]

The obvious value is comp urge

[lofty lintel]

oh yeah

comp urge

[torn root]

the 5% might be wasted then

[strange sparrow]

[lofty lintel]

thats true actually

drop those 2 points and get competitive urge

[tiny summit]

Fuck that 2 talent points for demo stockpile. Demo team for life

[lofty lintel]

demo stockpile better

[strange sparrow]

Im gonna give it a run and see how much crit can I score

[torn root]

if you still only have half your shots crit 5% doesnt change much

at 60% or higher it just pads your margin for error

[tiny summit]

Enough elites and specials in auric to make it up

And I only spend 1 point

[torn root]

moving from 50% to 55% is mroe detrimental than just having damage there

[strange sparrow]

I dont think vets give you any more crit nodes than this

[lofty lintel]

i guess for that helbore build

[tiny summit]

Oh and I still like stockpile but that's only on my VoC builds since it's right above

[torn root]

reciprocity is the only other

and that i still think wouldnt be worth

[lofty lintel]

i mean i run voc on my helbore crit build

[torn root]

i would say go for duck and dive

[lofty lintel]

so stockpile is right there

[torn root]

to fuel deadshot

[strange sparrow]

This is truly the meme build

[torn root]

or get rid of tunnel vision and get both duck and dive with reciprocity

[strange sparrow]

We shall see it is Aurid Mael worthy or no

[tiny summit]

Nah tunnel vision is very important for toughness replenish /s

Idk I don't crunch number

[torn root]

aaah do you have problems with toughness?

[tiny summit]

No

[pearl granite]

fun stuff 😂

[tiny summit]

I just want more

[strange sparrow]

I walk by fuckin Hadron and he said "Dont run varlet, I expect to inspect your weapon"

I think it's so joever

[midnight totem]

She knows

[torn root]

then if its something you can deal away then don't

[tiny summit]

No

I want more

[strange sparrow]

She's into saying wtf varlet are you bringin into the battle

[torn root]

our preferences weigh heavier than anything else imo

[midnight totem]

^_

[torn root]

me imma hold my mk5 with just deadshot lmao

that 25% crit seems to do wonders

always about 700+ crits in 1 run

[midnight totem]

I have the 5 percent crit node by default

But I run infiltrate

I want to try and free up two nodes for superiority complex though

[tiny summit]

They give a MF node that gives 10% rending when only at 10+ stacks when the 10% at all times rending node is accessible in the middle and no stamina restoring node with MF to synergize with deadshot smdh

[mystic hull]

what perk to change here?

[torn root]

balancing

[tiny summit]

Missing any breakpoints with maniacs?

[torn root]

gotta seperate them to influence player choice

make the trip or dont

[tiny summit]

10% rending at only 10+ stacks is very shitty when there is a 10% constant accessible.

[mystic hull]

good shout - swap weak spot damage or carapace?

[midnight totem]

I'd swap carapace for elite

Or flak

Or maniac

[torn root]

yup, this is one of the reasons i think MF kinda doggy

[tiny summit]

I would do weak spot. Isn't weak spot bonus calculated like crit dmg bonus?

[tiny summit]

I like it but yea. It's numbers and nodes are kinda eh

[torn root]

along with restricting player movement to keep it up without intense micro

[tiny summit]

Thanks for 1% reload per stack...I guess

[midnight totem]

How is it calculated?

[torn root]

im a lazy gamer for Focus Target calls to me

[tiny summit]

Crit dmg perks are calculated by only the bonus dmg the crit adds. Say base dmg is 100 and you crit for 150. The crit perk only affects the 50 bonus dmg and not the 150 total

[midnight totem]

...that's bullshit

[tiny summit]

Why most dont like crit dmg perk

[torn root]

same for weakspot damage

base damage just trumps because it afffects all of it

[midnight totem]

Who the fuck codes like this

[tiny summit]

It says crit dmg...so only affect crit dmg I guess

[mystic hull]

think i'll swap weak spot damage for maniac then. non crit headshots on flamers dont one shot

[torn root]

i mean it makes sense when you think about it technically speaking

[midnight totem]

Goddammit obese megalodon

[torn root]

crits only apply their modifyer, so anything affecting them specifically only affect said modifyer

pretty sure that's how that works in most games, even in PnP

[tiny summit]

You understanding of the game math shattered I assume?

[midnight totem]

Yup

It had been tenous at best anyway

[signal mango]

this is why devs are cagey about damage breakdowns..
they get their logic (good or bad) second guessed.

[torn root]

imma again defend this

the number make sense most games run numbers the same way

[midnight totem]

There's no need to be cagey

Just be honest, take and use player feedback

[torn root]

only thing i have against fatshark is not just handing the info over to the community

[signal mango]

5% of player base make up 80% of the loudest complaints.

[tiny summit]

No tool tips to understanding mechanic keywords is heresy to me

[midnight totem]

Then execute them for heresy!

[torn root]

^

a bunch of games have this problem and sadly most of them dont fix it

especially because mods and the community build around the fact

[torn root]

ngl 5% of the player base atm is just those who have been playing since launch

the community grew over 550% since the big update

on steam alone*

[tiny summit]

If the anime fighting game that just came out has a FGC glossary inside to learn, more games can spare a mechanic codex in theirs

[signal mango]

"special treatment for superfans"?

[torn root]

^

IF mortal kombat can give us all the info, so can fatshark imma be honest

lmao

[midnight totem]

To be fair, fatshark always had this issue

[signal mango]

pvp vs pve diff rules

[midnight totem]

I come from vermintide, I know

[torn root]

not even gunna compare this to vermintide

[glass vessel]

anything good in the shop ?

[midnight totem]

No

[torn root]

because they have made a few regressive choices in this game

[tiny summit]

I play Genshin Imapct and Honkai Star Rail. Full codexes of base mechanics and world puzzle mechanics for mobile games

[idle swallow]

I'm sorry for your wallet

[midnight totem]

Well if they didn't the only other thing keeping you for those games are sexy anime waifus

[tiny summit]

Don't be. I play 5 gachas

[midnight totem]

And they are very sexy indee- gets shot for heresy

[tiny summit]

I spent $100 and I didn't even get the non limited 4*. Bullshit

[midnight totem]

Only 100?

[tiny summit]

Look I'm not a madman

If I had a different job that didn't allow me to play them at work I'd probably play them less

[signal mango]

PvP is diff to PvE.
PvP players will adapt to game or ban certain characters.
PvE people will complain (quite rightly) their grind getting nerfed into the ground.
PvEnterprise/Developer

[zealous wyvern]

you are a madman

[torn root]

yes and no

pvp players complain much more than pve

[strange sparrow]

It's pretty alright gun

[torn root]

and proof is in mobas

[strange sparrow]

It's extra funny

[torn root]

there is a reason for so many balance patches

[tiny summit]

Gacha game and Darktide players aren't so different. They love gambla

[torn root]

pvp games get more balancing than pve

way much more

[strange sparrow]

Hot Take : PvE does not need balancing patch

[zealous wyvern]

comparing anime gacha to darktide is an insult to His servants

[tiny summit]

Brunts is weapon gacha

And Hadron is blessing gacha

[signal mango]

Balancing is one thing. It's PvP gripe against OP player chars.
PvE is complaints against theDeveloper/theHouse/theGame.

[torn root]

you COULD say that, but when everyone gravitates to one thing because its out perfoming the rest the games get stale

[zealous wyvern]

nonsense especially when its coop and not single

[torn root]

and sadly you can blame the youtubitis communities get from copy pasting BUILDS

look how many knife zealots there are now

after a few videos

[zealous wyvern]

you want a variety of builds to be equal and you want the game to present a variety of difficulty levels

[signal mango]

too hot to handle.
I'm sayigng it has to be hanbdled carefully. Cos it sets the player against the Developer

[zealous wyvern]

its just wrong

[tiny summit]

Days of old Ember in Warframe. Little Timmy trying out Warframe and stuck in a stale 30 min survival because of the the Ember player farming

[zealous wyvern]

"i oneshot every single enemy and never take hp dmg but thats fine because its pve"

[torn root]

oof

[zealous wyvern]

solo that would be bad design but irrelevant

coop that is even worse

[torn root]

but since youtube gaming has been increasing in popularity now, majority of players in any game arent making their own builds or coming up witht heir own ideas

they are copying them from videos online

[strange sparrow]

Look at Left 4 Dead series and WWz

[torn root]

which get attention from game devs and get changed up a bit

[tiny summit]

I mean it's the reality of the information age

[zealous wyvern]

they do balancing i can bet

[signal mango]

I don't think nerfing something is bad:
as long as the 'order' doesn't change.

• "this year daggers are GOAT; next year, it would be radioactive trash"
  look at PowerSword.. people grinded so hard for it - and it's worthless cos everyone was using it.

[torn root]

yup

[zealous wyvern]

thats bad

[torn root]

METAS exist everywhere you look because info is prevalent

[strange sparrow]

L4D2 stop balancing like long ago, and Competitive PVP scene and still use AK because it's just better than everything else
So is WWZ class/weapon building

The thing in regards to Darktide and Vt2 is weapon in general are so plentiful

that everything need a niche here and there

Some niche require it to be "Extra good" or just gonna be trash

[zealous wyvern]

that is not a good thing

[tiny summit]

People say that "oh older fighting games everyone had their own style and now everyone plays the same", no man its just information spread far faster, more people play than ever and guess what most people are gonna lean towards to styles that are gonna succeed

[strange sparrow]

Imagine a world where you need to double shot revolver in a sniper head to kill

[zealous wyvern]

look at this game from 2000

they dont do any balancing for it now

[strange sparrow]

The issue with Darktide balancing is just you balance out these niche, it become less meta

and Meta gaming is, well meta gaming

[torn root]

yeah and most of those games espeically fighting games have very harsh METAS

[tiny summit]

I personally think revolvers shouldn't delete crushers

[strange sparrow]

Optimized Gameplay in general

Some street fighter game character are downright just BAD, and people still able to play it until god tier

[torn root]

there are old fighting games that when you go back to play online or in tourneys you will only see like 5 characters picked

[strange sparrow]

Also some character have certain niche that make it unbearably hard to defeat if master

[tiny summit]

SSBM

[signal mango]

If they wanted to Nerf something.. do it above the table:

like stocks and shares: This week, number of Evisc kills rose by 20%, it's being nerfed by 5% power.
Instead, we wake up one morning, and ForceSwords are suddenly trash.

[strange sparrow]

Look at this guy

[torn root]

party game*

im not giving that the fighting game tag

[strange sparrow]

Smash tourney people hate this guy

[torn root]

out of respect

actually screw it it can have it

but games like the older Streetfighters

Blaze Blue

GuiltyGear

[signal mango]

SSBM?

[strange sparrow]

Balancing in PVE game are kinda bad in general, except certain playstyle that straight up deny other player to play/have fun

[torn root]

are brutal when you wanna try to be different online

when you have carl poking your booty in a corner till you die, because you chose bullet for some reason

[tiny summit]

They got got by the jiggle

Bait people into grappler with a waifu

[strange sparrow]

Also I sincerely believe that to balance PVE game, is to make everything viable

[torn root]

i mean

bullet is waifu

[signal mango]

I'd rather see a ticket-price; Message of the Day: when you log in:

• "Flamer kills are down, Buff by 5% expected"

[torn root]

idgad

[strange sparrow]

Dev look at ChocoB video

[torn root]

yes, usually

[tiny summit]

Amane is the true waifu

[strange sparrow]

Devil's Claw look pretty op

Time to nerf DC

[torn root]

YT scene for this game is still too small i think

[strange sparrow]

I only watch ChocoB because he's crack af, and Ryken because he's larping hard af

other creator is a hit or miss

[tiny summit]

I'm too dumb to make analysis videos. I'm just planning to dump some full runs of builds I like

Unimpressive gameplay but whatever

[torn root]

i only realized there was an update because a ChocoB vid popped up on my homepage

[signal mango]

Rykunen, Claysthetics, RealasianRobot, Bronya mell.
When I'm cooking dinner.

[strange sparrow]

RealAsianRobot does too much clickbait

I hate it now

[torn root]

those are the more popular ones, but gotta take a look at the collective views per month etc. And the subscriber count

[signal mango]

ahhhhh

[strange sparrow]

I feel like BronyaMell = ChocoB

Same Description

[signal mango]

I didn't know that existed subbed .👍

[strange sparrow]

Im waiting jtclive to enroll fully onto 40k

[signal mango]

I've seen lots of 'breakdown' channels, I just want effective gameplay now.

[strange sparrow]

A lot of information are pretty wrong

[torn root]

imma need to see more guide videos for the community

[midnight totem]

Anyway, I'm still looking for a way to get elite superiority node

[torn root]

still see ppl running to their doom in damnation

[midnight totem]

Voc needs to be nerfed, or add a node to do what it does

[torn root]

most of the community is stuck on Malice

[signal mango]

Yup info can be wrong.
But extra perspetive can't hurt and I'm willing to listen.
Other people's anecdotes don't always work with your own gameplay.

[strange sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/@WetMagic

[torn root]

bro imma need you to notim only here on vet for VoC after chant got nerfed on ealot

tyvm

[strange sparrow]

Waiting for this guy to join Darktide

[midnight totem]

It's true though

Voc does knock down and restores self toughness

[strange sparrow]

30 minutes on debriefing how to use a weapon, deep analysis, breakpoint explanation

[midnight totem]

Add a node to restore ally toughness

[tiny summit]

I would expect so. The average bell curve. Most aren't gonna make a jump. Playing for vibes. Hear though you can get some toxic ass people in malice/heresy though

[torn root]

thats OD but i'd be down for it

the amount of info i used to do with the Monster Hunter community

[signal mango]

I listen to them - I don't stan them - no demogogury here.

[torn root]

ppl like spread sheets and indepth analyses

[midnight totem]

Add a node to increase toughness restore for all to what it is now

Base damage increase should be baked into infiltrate

[torn root]

ngl

invis needs a nerf

imma be that guy

[signal mango]

Invis needs a nerf.

[midnight totem]

Zealots need a nerf

[torn root]

buffs arent allowed in darktide 🙂

[tiny summit]

I think threat detection would make more sense to be baked into the ability

[midnight totem]

You mean the lower threat?

That's also fair

[signal mango]

daggers and invis. 💀

[shadow aurora]

Zealot player here, yeah agreed

[torn root]

they got nerfed already

[gusty bison]

Zealot intelligence levels need a buff more like

[strange sparrow]

I play Zealot, Psyker and Veteran

[torn root]

i can't bully monstrosities like i used to

[shadow aurora]

Not enough

[strange sparrow]

Zealot just good in surviving half the time

Veteran, just good in doing damage half the time

[midnight totem]

I'm just annoyed with zealots running faster then me

[gusty bison]

Zealot's main thing is survivability

[strange sparrow]

Psyker either tossing shard around or just dying

[gusty bison]

Thats... kinda it

[midnight totem]

And with higher base stamina regen

[torn root]

psyker needs to be more squishy

[gusty bison]

Psyker is squish

Squishiest class by a mile

[torn root]

everytime they use an ability i need fatshark to take their legs

[signal mango]

It's not the fact they run faster.
It attracts certain game-styles.

[gusty bison]

Lmao

[tiny summit]

I've had one game with knife zealot. I feel like adhd needing to hunt for more backstabs to activate my neurons for more stealth for more backstabs

[strange sparrow]

Psyker is Squishy but his toughness regeneration is op

[gusty bison]

Its worse than vet thou

[torn root]

legs give me them now

[midnight totem]

I'm saying, give everybody but ogryn the same base stats, same regen, same toughness, then work from there

[gusty bison]

Its ok, but like Vet has way more

[strange sparrow]

Vet have condition to get back toughness

[gusty bison]

Condition: Kill Shit

[torn root]

exist

[tiny summit]

I actually feel invincible with vet toughness regen as long as I'm popping heads

[torn root]

lmao

literally exist on vet

[strange sparrow]

Vet -> Kill this thing in the head

Kill this specific thing

[gusty bison]

Or just: Kill a thing

[torn root]

not like you are losing toughness to begin with, not with ironwill

[tiny summit]

Also Iron Will is just goated with all the toughness regen

[gusty bison]

Anything

[signal mango]

I am psyker main: but I havent played that class for the last 500 games (outside melk-weeklies).
I'm grinding penances for others.

[gusty bison]

Psyker tou regen relies on perils

Which is hard to manage in melee

[tiny summit]

No lame

[strange sparrow]

psyker get regen back from crits -> Peril quelling -> Peril Generation

[torn root]

HARD AND HEAVY NO

[gusty bison]

Crits is even more situational than headshots

[strange sparrow]

Not really on Psyker

[gusty bison]

Peril gen and quell are hard to do in melee

[strange sparrow]

Psyker got guarantee crit

[torn root]

the base stats actually are a good way to differentiate the classes

[midnight totem]

Why not? It'd be easier to balance

[strange sparrow]

which is 3 shards in total

[signal mango]

esp if you are using Duelling/Dagger/Chainsword

[tiny summit]

Toughness god is popping sciers with a illisi with the quell peril on weakspot hit

[strange sparrow]

which you use peril to toss shard...

[torn root]

yeah make the game monotonous is more like it

[gusty bison]

You know what also is toughness god?

Out for blood PC+BM PS in same situation