veteran-class

[torn root]

it's locked

[wraith locust]

1 by far

[exotic drum]

Does hitting carapace with a las shot or an ineffective shot still count as a hit?

Like could one technically get 90% accuracy dumping on a crusher

[torn root]

just swap flack the Unyielding ont he 1st and i think you'll be iight

[umbral scaffold]

whats the psword combo to kill crushers really fast

[wraith locust]

push attack light strikedown

[fleet garden]

charge the psword, block cancel into face

[umbral scaffold]

so with the push attack light combo its a 3 shot with +25 to cara

[serene bough]

dont forget brutal momentum

[terse idol]

Test it ouut

It does greatly reduced cdamage

Helbores however

if you charge a shot

Can hit Carapace

[bitter turtle]

Keep Cara if it becomes a 4 shot without it

[midnight totem]

stripped down 4 is... ridiculously funny

[trail quartz]

i love it xD

[midnight totem]

I literally ran a circle around two scab gunners just to try it out

[umbral scaffold]

Stripped down with duck and dive and that stamina node atop the tree is goated

[midnight totem]

before?

with any other weapon, that would've gotten me killed in less then a second

even with gunner resist

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder if the normal ranged sprint dodge counts for duck and dive tho

[trail quartz]

literal being a maniac for free shooting heretics without punishment

[midnight totem]

I miss actually hitting stuff at range though

since its on my braced auto

[trail quartz]

oh what one u use?

[halcyon zephyr]

I still haven't done this on any character.

[quartz adder]

as someone who has done it twice

a psyker on your team is a death sentence

[midnight totem]

its as near a godroll as I've ever got

[quartz adder]

pretty good

[trail quartz]

thanks to you i have to look up what iuse : s

cos i forgot xD

[midnight totem]

although I do have a regular infantry autogun with stripped down 3

I'll try that out for ranged combat

[trail quartz]

MKIV it was. that thing is with weopn master like a gatling gun xD

used it a few hours ago on a auric mealstorm t5

the mkIV is braced and the equivalent to it for autoguns is lie the MKV autogun, very fun weapons

still love the MKVII headhunter the most

[midnight totem]

the recoil on the regular agrip iag is... tough

[trail quartz]

burstit or get finesse and rpactice i nthe psycantrium. or whateverit is called in english xD

you go full auto mostly just in close qurters and than it rly shines out

[midnight totem]

doesn't feel like it has a mag size to full auto

like, my vraks 3 feels like does just as good in close combat and much better at range with the innate burst

[trail quartz]

a friend of mine for example sued it on zealot on auric t5 meal and zero problems. he used more ammo than us but it paid rly off

fast bbrrrr

[sturdy herald]

For general play, what's the better Power Sword MK? I honestly can't tell the difference at a glance -- the Mk6 has a longer combo?

[halcyon zephyr]

mk3 - spammable and reliable
mk6 - combos and fun, tricker

[trail quartz]

mk 6 seems to make more dmg on carapace has more diagonal swins, press V to insepct and E to see the dmg.
I prefer the MkIII since i need space to shoot

MKIII is more like horizontal swings

[sturdy herald]

Thanks!

Looks like I can turn off my brain with the Mk3 then.

[fresh mango]

what should I drop for blaze away?

[trail quartz]

mk6 has more weakspot potentional

[midnight totem]

does that plasma gun have a stock?

[fresh mango]

Possibly

[trail quartz]

[trail quartz]

no

or what u mean xD

[sturdy herald]

Follow-up question: what's a good dump stat for the power sword? Mobility?

[trail quartz]

if you mean how it fires, its hipfire only but ITS RLY PRECICE you can snipe

[elder fiber]

Mk6 push attack does way more dmg, with the right build you can consistently 2 shot crushers

[midnight mortar]

Mk6's horizontal lights are faster than mk3's horizontal heavies for horde clear. Mk6 also has a unique push attack into light #3 combo that can 2 tap crushers to the head with the proper build and blessings.

[sturdy herald]

Probably should've read that before I dumped all of my dockets. Oh well.

[midnight mortar]

Unlike the mk3, the mk6 has movement slowdown on energize. This can be mitigated by dodging.

[trail quartz]

dmg, mobility, finesse, and cleave dmg is iportant

[elder fiber]

Yeah and mk3 just charges a bit faster I think

[sturdy herald]

So something like this would work just fine?

[trail quartz]

but only with powercycler

[elder fiber]

Yeah probs

[midnight mortar]

Cleave targets is a dump stat for pswords.

[sturdy herald]

Perfect!

[midnight mortar]

Looks good.

[trail quartz]

thtas fine, if you get slaughterer and powercycler on it its "ok"ish

[trail quartz]

absolutly

[elder fiber]

Psword only really needs powercycler to function

[sturdy herald]

I'm trying out a variety of builds and guns lately so I'm less concerned with godrolls and more "good enough" functionality.

[trail quartz]

ya but for a extra buff slaughterer

[sturdy herald]

Duly noted.

[midnight totem]

I meant how the plasma gun looks

[trail quartz]

powercyclcer gives yo umore slashes (T4 +3 so you can slash more often until it ends so you get a routine in it : 3)

in a nuthsell, its less anoying.
if you cant effor powercycler the next option is bromentum. so you only need to hit enemy weakspots

[midnight mortar]

Recommended blessings for psword are Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum (Sunder can be a sidegrade stand in).

[sturdy herald]

Welp. Just got PCycler T4 and Slaughterer T3 on the first try. The Emperor is with me, apparently! What perks are good on it?

[halcyon zephyr]

clarification required. T4 adds 2 swings for a total of 3 powered swings.

[trail quartz]

its complicated but ye i think its 3 heavy swings or 4 light swings

[sturdy herald]

Any changes you'd make? Still have both my crafting slots open.

[trail quartz]

i almost use heavy swings since i jsut need room to shoot my targets and get back into melee and shoot again, i never count im honest

[umbral scaffold]

Oh, it's the mk3

[halcyon zephyr]

nah dude run it like it is. It's beautiful

[trail quartz]

i love that thing you point at me

absolutly fine dude well done

think you ahve 3 dodges with that thing, its enough

dont forget, you use power swords and trade it for defences. so if you run out of stam/dodges you are done for

but you have dmg

and aoe

[sturdy herald]

I've been using a chainsword up until now and honestly anything that keeps mobs off me works.

So I'm real excited to give this one a spin. Thanks for the great advice, everyone! 💗

[trail quartz]

i use mkIII like this:
mobs come, power up, heavy, heavy, light light, load, light, heavy.
if im already surrounded:
powerup, push, light, light, heavy heavy

[knotty hill]

For the purpose of Long Bomb, what counts as a bounce?

That penance makes no sense to me

[torn root]

SUPPORT DAMAGE

[serene bough]

it cant touch any surface

itll detonate mid air if you chuck it a far enough distance

[sage agate]

check pins for how to do it

[midnight mortar]

Impacting against anything. Whether enemy or object.

[trail quartz]

"diammantne is so rare brb rb rb.... " xD

[torn root]

diamantine needs to be removed lmao

you use like 1/7 of the plasteel you use

[trail quartz]

dia issnt the prob at all. its msotly the plast

so i think dia should be lowered

[torn root]

removed

[trail quartz]

but weare vets, guardsmen. stop complaining

xD

[torn root]

removed would be nice, we legit dont need it in the game lmao

nor do we need plasteel

[elder dawn]

melk you tempt me

[trail quartz]

to be fair we dont need.. heretics.. you know.. xD

[torn root]

if you have ever played vermintide it would have you wondering why they made the crafting in this game so ass compared to their previous title

the loot too

[trail quartz]

uuuuffff hard choice

nice thing

[fresh mango]

so hows this?

[torn root]

went from 3 rewards to 1 per completion, added more currency require to craft

[trail quartz]

well fuk the impact, go for flak instead of cara and get power cycler on it?

[torn root]

i could list a few down grades that seem questionable but we know the reason is for the stretching of content

[trail quartz]

i tell you a story what i did today at 6 AM

[umbral scaffold]

interrogator rannick can we keep it please 🥺

[trail quartz]

i started a new char (zealot) and played to Lv22, took me until 1AM.
so why did i do that? i was curious to find out why ppl suck so bad at lv 30.
so what i did find out?
the elarning curve of darktide is donkey dick. most ppl dont even know what an interrigation is and dont even sweep thearea (cyphen)
nor they dodge, block, push. i know its a bit of a niche game but if yo uwant more players, a better approch woult be better. thats why most ppl play t3 or T4 (which issnt bad). but a lot of ppl complain that the game is ahrd, which issnt.
hope ididnt pissed soemone off now : s

[torn root]

i don't focus on other players, the game isnt for everyone and harder content isnt for everyone

most players in any game are casual and should be allowed to be so

[trail quartz]

agree

[torn root]

if they dont know how to play tho that is partially on fatsharks end for not having a better practice tool

then again most people in games avoid those

and hate forced tutorials

[signal pier]

lads milkman is offering this, is it worth buying?

[trail quartz]

i saw also a lot of toxicity - 1 lv 1 guy didnt moved into th elevator and a lv19 guy (on T1) wanted to kick him ow o)
also a thingy. my point is, the tutorial should cover a bit more stuff of a tide game since they want to reach a wider audience. im not talking aout me. how i mentioned i tested some shit for mysel today for like 7 hours and saw some stuff.
but i have to apologize its the wrong chat for that, just relized it xD

[trail quartz]

isntead fo rev up plis get bleed on it

i love bleed

how the hell you got so lucky

[signal pier]

i got 870 hours in darktide this is rare

[trail quartz]

wait doubel barrel we played today before, i was a low level zealot pirate girl xD

ah no i think it was double berry..

[tall torrent]

The game does an absolutely horrendous job at teaching basic mechanics

[signal pier]

my ogryn is Murhpy and my vet is walter white if those names ring a bell

[torn root]

toxic ppl in every game

except DRG

[signal pier]

not true

c4 the scout is the only way to play

[trail quartz]

ya my point is just make a proper tutorial.
i mean a lot of ppl that try to improve and want to get into T5 and T5+ are here. but i met a lot of ppl that dont even know what that game even is since the tide-games are rly niche and they start more like to explore the map, instead of going forward. didnt ad this in VT2 tbh but i didnt palyed VT that much

[trail quartz]

tbh in like 900 hours gampelay i had 5 toxic boys, true story

i dont count in stealers

[radiant hare]

^

this is me

[trail quartz]

the dmg types arent the problem either

[torn root]

yup

game designers need to stop making it require college level research just to find out parts of the game

[trail quartz]

its the elarning curve how isaid i have all my classes on 30 with like 900 hours gametime and i started today for fukking noob sceience where the problem is. and a lot of lv30 ppl behave lke lv8 players xD
so the tutorial and the exp gai nis the problem in my oponion

[torn root]

that honestly SHOULD be given directly

[tall torrent]

they need to teach new players to push hounds and bursters

to dodge mutants and trappers

[vernal harbor]

Suppression : whatever you believe it is :)!

[torn root]

nah

that part is heuristics

[signal pier]

today on darktide tutorial we will show you how to get in the elevator 👍

[tall torrent]

and put a big hint on their screen whenever they have melee out that they can in fact hold block

[torn root]

heuristics should stay as a fundamental part of learning, more the damage types and enemy types

[trail quartz]

i didnt wanted to start a shitstorm here. but the tutorial needs for me tbh a update. that means a proper preparation for casual players since (this wassnt in t VT2 the case) in DT they reach out for acual players. so i dont mean it bad

[torn root]

this is not a bad convo lmao

if someone got butthurt that we are talking about this its time for them to get off the internet

[vernal harbor]

i can make this a shitstorm if you want

one simple yet effective topic starter

i wont

but i COULD

[trail quartz]

thank you. i rly too my time to bring that up

i rly think its important

[torn root]

either way the only problem i have with this game now is the downgrade in loot and crafting

and the bloody load time

[tall torrent]

suppression vs enemies: stop them from shooting and force them to take cover
suppression vs players: sights shake violently and weapon can no longer shoot accurately (helbore & plasma are naturally immune)

[trail quartz]

ooff, it was way worse at launch where you didnt even get anythign after a completed mission.. xD

[vernal harbor]

suppression vs enemies : reminding them how to effectively spread out and fire from cover in intersecting lines of fire

[trail quartz]

i mean ye exp and dockets but no weapon

[torn root]

i know, im a beta tester

[vernal harbor]

i beta tested and it was so bad i couldnt even finish (1) mission (they never even gave me my hat)

[umbral scaffold]

Bosses giving better loot would need to make bosses more consistent, I think

[torn root]

really?

[serene bough]

a better reward system in general would be appreciated

[torn root]

its ookay its kinda bugly XD

but unfortunate

[serene bough]

running 45+min of auric madness just to recieve a 399 rated shovel feels bad

[vernal harbor]

the beta helm is the most doofiest looking thing but i still would have liked the option

[torn root]

imma be honest, it legit makes no sense why they would change the vermintide loot system into this

like at all

[vernal harbor]

especially after the post-launch the beta helm really made you look like a true asshole lol

[torn root]

the player count still dipped after they made a working loot system because it IS too grindy

the fact that grims dont affect plasteel too is aggravating

[serene sage]

I would offer my 2 cents but FS has Tencent.

[torn root]

tencent would want to put a way that players could work around this with irl money

havent seen that yet

[serene bough]

now that ive played literal hundreds of hours, I can comfortably ignore the crafting system

[trail quartz]

[serene bough]

once in a while ill try to roll a new weapon if i want to use it but otherwise i have my prefered loadouts

[trail quartz]

GOD DONT DO IT xD

oh god..

1,6M at brunts and i was like wow.. 1 % xD

the blessingsare the fientuning and some special stats. like lets take the MG series from lasguns. yo uwant atlest have 75% stablity, dmg and stopping power.
thats it

the rest are perks and blessings until FS amkes something real special out of it : 3

[torn root]

bro is stopping power worth on any weapon?

if you can just kill enemies?

[trail quartz]

actual yes

[serene bough]

stopping power and damage are your two most sought after stats

[torn root]

stopping power = chance to stagger correct?

[trail quartz]

onthe MG lasguns it calculates the maniac and flak armour dmg on far or near

its different onautoguns i think, there it is stagger.
colleteral for example determinde the Stagger or supresson

if you click on your gun V and then E you can see the stats and what they dfo for you actual

[languid estuary]

how's that new chainsword

[torn root]

beautiful

[trail quartz]

lovely

[torn root]

my new favourite melee

[trail quartz]

i even love the chainsaw swards

and axes

[torn root]

oh it is damage vs far or near

[trail quartz]

btw i find like the new chainsaw axe is the ebst. i think it was the XII? not the old one

[torn root]

but if i point at stuff they dead so ive never taken note lmao

[languid estuary]

did they even out the ranged weapons pretty well for vet or is the xii still king

[torn root]

obviously bee aiming for it over mobility but it was always the 4th goal for my guns

[trail quartz]

it is both vs flak or maniac for lasguns

take alook at your alsgun press V and go with your mosue over the stopping power

it shoudldetermien your stagger and flak dmg/maniac

[torn root]

i delete all my lasguns except to take blessings off them

i dispise how weak that weapon feels

[trail quartz]

MGXII is a mosnter : s

but weakspot dependend

[torn root]

hmm brb ill see if i can roll a decent grey one

[trail quartz]

meanwhile i send you mine with stats and blessings

[torn root]

literally the 1st one i bought

oof

wait

so the gun mostly does more damage to farther targets

[umbral scaffold]

Hadn’t played vet in forever and was wondering why I felt so weak compared to other characters

My talents all got reset

[trail quartz]

Thats monster : 3

[delicate rivet]

Gotta see the perks/blessings first

[crude ermine]

Gauntlet of Hadron

[torn root]

gunna compare it to this

actually that would be unfair this is single fire action

[serene bough]

thats included but its more importantly armor pen

i.e. more damage to flak, maniac, etc.

[torn root]

bros

imma just take 2 clips and show why i cant

[delicate rivet]

Las Guns are dead

[serene bough]

cant agree

helbores and IAGs are solid weapons

ILGs*

[torn root]

the clip is too big lmao

20 seconds to kill a mauler and crsuher tho

[delicate rivet]

Compress it

[torn root]

\i just cant use the las gun

it takes too long to kill anything im not sure how much better it would get past base, but i really dont see it out performing mk5

[trail quartz]

examplerino

[torn root]

so here the thing

total damage vs dps

dps always trumps

[trail quartz]

yus lez go

[tiny summit]

its almost like 2 different weapons fill different roles and uses

[torn root]

like actually, rather kill things faster to get a threat out of my face

[torn root]

NO

they dont

mk5 fills every damned roll

from killing snipers to slaying monsters

[trail quartz]

wrong

[trail quartz]

right

[serene bough]

infantry las has far better magazine size & damage consistency in comparison to IAGs

[trail quartz]

: P

[serene bough]

you can pop heads far more consistently and for longer durations

[tiny summit]

"let me compare the semi auto head tapper vs the full auto smg that needs how many bullets and sway management"

[trail quartz]

i explain after everything is declared

[torn root]

so im sure yall are going to talk about aiming at snipers in the back of map

do i have to show that mk5 takes care of that too?

[trail quartz]

calm down i love the mkV myself 😂

[torn root]

literally only on the fringe case where there is a dude 1 pixel thick would i ever consider using a more accurate gun

[tiny summit]

Im just gonna ignore and either assume stupid or stupid and trying to bait

[torn root]

yeah arguing that the meta gun is meta for a reason is stupid

because me dum

[serene bough]

to be fair the columnus is overtuned

[torn root]

nah let sprinkles have that

[serene bough]

but i still think infantry las and columnus are two completely different playstyles

[torn root]

im not arguing that they dont have diff playstyles but we also gotta take into consideration especially in auric most things are gunna be in your face and need to be dispatched asap

[trail quartz]

aight here it is:
the MgXII i love so much reliable ONESHOTS al ltargets at all FAR range with stopping power on 70% stopping power (maniacs and flak that is)
the Autogun MKV is reliable on burst- or full auto mode in proximity up to 10m, if you use burst up to 20m but consumes more ammo.
autoguns are msotly better against flak, lasguns better against maniac and unarmored

[torn root]

and 90% of play time you arent gunna find the one dude far away enough to need to scope in and snipe with the mg

[knotty hill]

Yeah, there is very little opportunity for sniping since you’ll get swarmed from behind

[trail quartz]

20m issnt that far

[serene bough]

i find if you're trying to use a predominantley ranged playstyle and want to take care of gunners you can just use infiltrate w/ threat reduction to pick them off

[torn root]

talking about farther than 20m

[serene bough]

MG12 has been dethroned by the Mg1a & Mg4 unfortunately

[trail quartz]

thats my killrange o naruic xD

[torn root]

because at 20m im still slaughtering anything on sight

[trail quartz]

otherwise i go melee

[torn root]

i can show kill times at 20m too

[tall torrent]

MG12 has fallen off a lot in the past few patches

[torn root]

is sad the diff

[trail quartz]

sicne thats the vets job, taking out shit ppl dont want to deal with. if a rager is pox i have myps sword or a zealot/orgyn psyker for it and tag it.

[trail quartz]

still solid oneshots as usuall

at far

not near

[tall torrent]

with exe stance / marksman focus, yea

without, literally not worth playing

[torn root]

^

[trail quartz]

ya i use as las guy focus with weakspots

[torn root]

so you have to build specifically for it

or just put on a gun that dont care

[trail quartz]

otherwise i rely on bolter with other class or plasma

[delicate rivet]

VoC is too good

[rigid pilot]

Las guy is pretty decent if you keep him safe

[tiny summit]

12 is still solid, its just that the dmg boosts to the other 2 really closes the gap while they retain their faster fire rates

[serene bough]

i personally argue that the MG4 w/ marksman focus is overall the best

[tall torrent]

MG12 has gotta be the most build-restricting weapon in vet's current arsenal

[trail quartz]

i have to say to play lasgun is pretty sweaty but it works out. still i prefer the plasma. but im an Lasgun lover

[serene bough]

you can kill most things in 1-2 shots and have high RoF, decent hipfire, huge magazine capacity, and overall greater efficiency

[tall torrent]

try to get ur hands on a good Helbore 1/2, will change how u view vet as a class

[serene bough]

i think most people settle on the Mg1a being the best one though

[rigid pilot]

Yea the other marks have higher dps than 12

[tiny summit]

helbore 1 my fave right now

[trail quartz]

herecy..
nah jokes aside. nah i rly suck donkey with hellbores im honest : )
i stick to be a counter shooter or a elite killer

[torn root]

might have to try those, becasue dps legit trumps total damage per 1 shot

[rigid pilot]

With hellbore I rather go mk3

[serene bough]

counter shoot is my prefered playstyle too

[rigid pilot]

To kill carapace

[tall torrent]

helbore does both exceptionally well

[tiny summit]

stinky bayonet

[serene bough]

i like popping heads on the common gunners the most

[trail quartz]

not as me dont go that far >: 3

[rigid pilot]

Yea true

[trail quartz]

heretics..

[rigid pilot]

But like lasgun is playing hard mode anyway

[serene bough]

i mean, sure in comparison to plasma, but its not that complex

shoot things in the face

[trail quartz]

good times are gone where a good vet got appreciated..

[rigid pilot]

Yea but plasma let's you clutch like vs 20 ragers

[tall torrent]

mk3 is literal suffering

[rigid pilot]

Just brrr lmb

Plus it staggers

I think..?

[trail quartz]

kidna izi ye

[serene bough]

its too brainless

[tiny summit]

with hb1 I get to run through my missions barely bringing out melee

[rigid pilot]

Yea it's very brainoff easy to use weapon

[serene bough]

used to have to balance heat & know when to charge shot vs lmb

now you can gank 20 gunners before they leave spawn

[trail quartz]

i had plasma boys in my team that coudlnt hit a mauler. so.

[rigid pilot]

Playing on controller

[serene bough]

used to love plasma but the recent buff it recieved turned me off to the weapon

[trail quartz]

imagine being willingly in the imaterium

[torn root]

probably are controller players

the sense on controller at base is low af

[trail quartz]

controller vets are amazing

sarcasm

[torn root]

i dont think they are bad, i just think base sense on controllers is doggy

[trail quartz]

but i have to say controller orgyn shooters are rly cool i love them xD

[torn root]

easily fixxed tho

[rigid pilot]

My region doesn't really have console players so I don't have personal experience

[trail quartz]

herecy are you from cadia?!

[torn root]

cadia is pc only

🙂

[trail quartz]

how you become so pure

[trail quartz]

well big oof xD

[trail quartz]

in warhammer 40k lore you know, cadia is annihalated?

[torn root]

im only a 40k fan because of the cadia story

i dont like 40k much compared to fantasy

[serene bough]

ive halfway finished the Tanith first & only series

[trail quartz]

than DONT say we are pc gamers from cadia ffs

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/brakes-stop-pump-your-brakes-kid-slow-down-hold-up-gif-11920347

[torn root]

pc shooters better than controller shooters

[trail quartz]

god dingledongleberry

the emperor rotatres already on his golden toilete..

[torn root]

on cadia we stand (with PC)

[trail quartz]

well lets say console died for cadia so pc can exist. im ok withthat

[torn root]

actually you right, it would have survived if they had more pc players

[trail quartz]

both makes actual sense

whatever xD

mostly i just make fun

btw what tiers you go for?

[torn root]

mostly play auric and regular damnation, but im farming damnation until the emperor blesses me with t4 rampage fromt he new chainsword

[rigid pilot]

Auric is the funzone

[torn root]

sadly i DO have a higher complete rate farming in auric, im not sure why no one plays bad in auric

but randoms in regular damnation die 2 mins in

like the randoms are playing to diff games

[trail quartz]

i met nice ppl on T5 + maelstorm so far but i witnessed also not all ppl love invits

[torn root]

i do not care about ppls builds or any of that, i just wanna get it and get my plasteel haul lmao

[trail quartz]

: 3

[wild lantern]

they still play bad in auric
they just die less fast/often du to all the crazy op buff we get on most class

[torn root]

and not have to sit in a 40-50min auric run because i cant complete a regular damnation run with randoms

[trail quartz]

wait. we run it in 28-32 mins.. xD

[wild lantern]

at least we can still die to shitty sound bug since patch 13 and yolo mobs spawn

[torn root]

I dont think ive ran into a single bad player in auric since coming back to the game idk

might be judging less harshly, i dont think the damnation players are bad either, they just play goofy

[trail quartz]

i dont want call you out but thats a lie. i had 2 daysa go a little lv 22 sitting in my lounge

and yes. we got dicked

[wild lantern]

what is a bad player ?
someone who don't die ?
someone who clutch ?
someone who do this jobs ?
someone who perfect this combo/animation ?

[torn root]

bad player is something i'd have to ask you. takes seeking to find bad habits or what i would have to consider bad

in auric i find ppl who arent affraid to move forward while dealing with hoards

[trail quartz]

i have a list of it what is bad

[rigid pilot]

Someone who will immediately crumble when it's time to clutch yea

[torn root]

in regular damnation you find battlefrenzy maniacs that want to sit in one spot on hi intensity and only wave clear for 5 mins before moving

[wild lantern]

vet

[trail quartz]

example 1 xD

[rigid pilot]

Without the team around to give them second chances they just immediately expire

Poopoo

[tall torrent]

Veteran is not bad
Veteran is hard
Big difference

[trail quartz]

it was a joke : 3

[wild lantern]

example 2: asail scryer spyker with voidstaff for a good megumin explosion

[trail quartz]

wait, ppl play scyer?

[torn root]

i think the diff is just people not knowing that they can still move while hoard clearing

[rigid pilot]

And if they are playing lasgun vet with zero clutch ability, they better get top dps, if not then why even play that build honestly

[umbral scaffold]

Veteran is hard until the player unlocks the ability

[tall torrent]

SG Psyker can do silly dmg

[torn root]

the battle maniac mentality gets me a bit annoyed because 1 dude will sit in mobs for 5 mins and just die when we could be moving forward as 4

[trail quartz]

i tried it but it kinda was unreliable so i didged it

[torn root]

dont see it in auric because you legit HAVE to move

[umbral scaffold]

Bonus points if they're one of those people who run VOC with iron will

[rigid pilot]

Vs bosses for sure, but generally I think exe vet is better

[torn root]

Voc IW is goated and im not dropping vet until its nerfed

[umbral scaffold]

I refuse to take iron will

[rigid pilot]

Voc IW gives you so many chances it's just really comfy

[tall torrent]

Vet gets a lot of +dmg talents so yea

[wild lantern]

"vet classe" is op (insert always has been meme)
and 90%(maybe 70%now since classe rework make they even more safe) of vet player are bad because they call of duty player and not rainbow six siege player

[rigid pilot]

Vet gets reload speed which makes it automatically better

[trail quartz]

i jsut love it how chat pops out now xD

[umbral scaffold]

Shit allows you to play with the monitor off

[rigid pilot]

They can run revolver alot better

Although assail revolver is extremely nutty too

[trail quartz]

ye i mean. why we invented touchscreen anyways

[tall torrent]

Idk? Most of the time it’s just that they can’t melee at all

[torn root]

this

but a lot of people cant

[trail quartz]

true dick salad

[tall torrent]

That’s not a COD or R6S thing
It’s just that they can’t hold their own in melee whatsoever

[torn root]

not just vet players

[rigid pilot]

They been crutching on powersword for the entire game

Hit trading like crazy

[torn root]

some dont have weapons with blessigns that compliment well, and thats a lot of players on every class

[wild lantern]

melee was on dlc for many vet even with power sword at release

[tall torrent]

Ik, but the main issue with most vets rn is that they can’t melee at all and I don’t think the majority of them even played at launch

[torn root]

majority of the current player base i would assume are new

[tall torrent]

You can’t expect someone who just picked up darktide for Christmas and decided “yea I’m gonna be the generic soldier” to know how to melee 4 ragers

[torn root]

because of the update, the steam sales saw a spike

and its on game pass atm

[tall torrent]

When that generic soldier archetype is ironically the hardest class to pick up on

[trail quartz]

i told you boys and gurls i made today science. i played a brandnew char and it was always the same up to T4.

• (i ping ammo) guy screams for ammo, runs away
• (guy is surroundend, deosnt stop shooting, melee doesnt exist
  -If melee exist he doesnt push or block
  -Investigation, it doestn exist that he looks for cypher items
  -if shooters there, shooters got meleed by ogryn or zealot, not by vet xD

how i mentioned do that magical rise four yourself

[wild lantern]

didn't play too much recently just enought to have fun try new map 10+ time and try new weapon but not more, all the bullshit since patch 13 tires me

[trail quartz]

took me only 10 hours

[torn root]

yeah this

ppl dont do objs at all

and from talking with my gf

[trail quartz]

and i dont try to be rude.

[torn root]

i think a lot of ppl dont have peripherals

[trail quartz]

except this

[torn root]

so they arent going to see pings

[trail quartz]

xD

[tall torrent]

Darktide needs to really hammer home the idea that this is not a horde shooter in the first hour of this game

[trail quartz]

[tall torrent]

Every new player who struggles in malice/heresy is not meleeing enough and I stand by that

[torn root]

they also dont have earlobes because the game can be loud, they dont notice the calls characters make

[trail quartz]

its not a brainless horde shooter

[tall torrent]

They play it like a horde shooter when the game is melee horde with gunplay elements

It’s not a horde shooter with melee
It’s a melee horde game with gunplay

[torn root]

nah thats vermintide

lmao

[tall torrent]

New players don’t understand this so they struggle

[trail quartz]

but i mentioned today its FS fault too since their tutorial sucks donkey and they decided to openup to casuals.

[torn root]

the tutorial is absolute garbage

practice tool is only fixxed with mods

and still players dont like forced learning

in any game

so still can't blame FatShark to harshly on that one

[wild lantern]

tutorial shouldn't be optional on first character so vet boy could learn they have a melee weapon and its op

[trail quartz]

thats soe stuff that doestn need a lot of rocket science to fix or improve to imrpove the playerbase in general

[torn root]

in most games again ppl like to learn through heuristics

no matter how harsh the experience

[trail quartz]

thats a good point men

[torn root]

until they seek out a YT video about it

[junior needle]

I still get people shooting into melee chaffe on auric 5’s, I don’t think regular learning is working too well

[rigid pilot]

Sometimes diving in with melee is more optimal even on an exe build

[torn root]

me

i do swap to melee tho

but imma still shoot

[junior needle]

[rigid pilot]

If you use las, unlimited ammo anyway

Just shoot them, with your gun

[trail quartz]

i mean if yo uwant a wder audience for your niche "tide" game, you have to adept a few things. and thats not actual the ubisoft apporach with utorials or like ea with 1000 cutscenes, its just to let te play know they have options and experiment with it

[torn root]

oy

[junior needle]

laughs in recon lasgun

[trail quartz]

my opinion atleast

[junior needle]

Out of ammo before the first room

[torn root]

if my gun 1 taps the dudes in the head im shooting and melee in between reload animations

[trail quartz]

i just mean it for good for the tide commmunity thats why im kinda dissapointed so thats why i took my time to re-play it ll again as a zealot

goota say i love the early game but the lategame is still meh

[torn root]

i restarted my ogryn and psyker to play with friends

since i had nothing on them

[trail quartz]

therew e go.

[torn root]

it is kinda brutal playing on the lower level characters

[rigid pilot]

Recon

[trail quartz]

ye but kinda feels better i dunno

[torn root]

Nah

not having stamina regen

is painful

might be a crutch curio perk but holy shit do i love having the stamina

[trail quartz]

hw i mentioned bfore i dont want to start a war but FS needs to teac players that are new a bit better, espacially with the console ppl swearling around

[torn root]

you arent starting anything

lmao, fat shark legit has work to do

[dapper vessel]

I like having a stam curio and taking the stam regen delay node

[torn root]

anyone defending them on that point doesn't want to see the game get better

game is already getting fixxed by mods anyway

[trail quartz]

i dont defend it that much i just want to improve it since i see it flaws myself.

i jsut mean it for the good, rly

[torn root]

oh speaking about it being mostly new players in the community right now

check this math

24 hour peak

12,773

day of the update the game got +14,389

only lost 4k players since then, so yeah, most people do need guidance

community grew 585%

on steam alone

[trail quartz]

12k+ is fine for a horde gae lol
not even KF2 got that numbers together

[wild lantern]

cod modern warfare 3 diabo 4 and no man skyrim(starfield) give us a huge amount of player which is good for bigshark

[trail quartz]

sharkfat

[wild lantern]

chonky fish

[trail quartz]

chungus in wota

someone make that one into a meme please

[wild lantern]

[trail quartz]

Chungus in a wota sounds so austrailian xD

[rigid pilot]

12k is kind of sad for a live service though

[trail quartz]

every life service is a state of a sad existence sicne there is n oservice

[rigid pilot]

But seeing the state of the servers and how they just boot you out randomly, maybe they aren't paying too much for servers too

[torn root]

chat: Get back in the Fight or Catch a Breath

[rigid pilot]

Catch a breath is loner for vet

[torn root]

12k concurrent thoguht steam isnt the total

[trail quartz]

*inhaling the skill
out of stam xD

[torn root]

the number is possibly higher in other places if not similar

[rigid pilot]

Yea but also it has no business being a live service is what I meant

[trail quartz]

agreed

[torn root]

companies dont care

[trail quartz]

still out of breathe

[torn root]

they want the money

[rigid pilot]

Fatshark doesn't care

[torn root]

im not trying to be too rude to fatshark

but when the damned CASH SHOP was working before the base game was, it was pretty evident they didnt care

[trail quartz]

if someone asks i was the asshole that started it. it would be honest since i even DM`d the CM xD

[torn root]

only thing we can ask for is for it to get better

[rigid pilot]

It's hard to get rich off niche genre, but it's also almost impossible to catch the love service unicorn

[torn root]

nah ive been talking about these issues for a hot min now

[trail quartz]

np : 3

[trail quartz]

my point is if a mod fuks someone up its on me cos istarted it. i stay honest

[torn root]

if a mod were to kick me off the server ill say it here

[trail quartz]

how xD

[torn root]

dont be but hurt, listen to the damend community and fix the trash that needs to be fixxed

[trail quartz]

im actual a mod myself but not here. and i know you wouldnt have achance to do it 😂

[low oar]

no

[serene sage]

yeah idk what to tell you man but no FS employee is here

[low oar]

There are no gods here

No masters

You are free

[serene sage]

unless you ping the CM in which case you'd better have a reason

[torn root]

if they cant take constuctive criticizm the game deserves to die, so many others listen to the community and thrive, im not saying anything that others didnt say already in harsher words

[trail quartz]

h.. herecy?

[serene sage]

Yes inquisitor, this comment right here

[torn root]

so im gucci

[trail quartz]

guci is also herecy

[trail quartz]

i see we need a grendyl approved meme

[torn root]

oy

who has an xiig with rampage 4

make me jealous

i need to know it exists

lmao

[trail quartz]

XIIg.. XIIIg was a onehanded chaisnaw sword?

[torn root]

yeah

[trail quartz]

well i know it but i dont use it xD

[stoic basalt]

is the make every shot count penance bugged?

[torn root]

its the one the dude was asking about earlier

the move set is goated

[trail quartz]

oh

[torn root]

the god emperor just wont bless me with my t4

[stoic basalt]

cause I swear to Emperor I just ran a mission and only missed 8 shots out of a starting ammo count of 99 and that is a 90% accuracy and I had 0 ammo at the end

I am super pissed right now

[limber egret]

have you hit armor or hit teammates?

[trail quartz]

i rly think the new zealot chainsaw axe is goatex of: spring, block and stam, also as manciac dmg. i dunno if its avaiable as vet

but i oeshot all maniacs with light attack on shred lel

[stoic basalt]

maybe hit a team mate once but even then missing 9 out of 99 is still 90% accuracy

even picked up some small packs along the way to pad my stats

[torn root]

i think that one is an acquired taste

[stoic basalt]

but the main point is and I counted every shot I missed, I only missed 8 shots

[torn root]

im still stuck on the regular and new eviscerators

mostly the old one because the bash attack chains

[trail quartz]

thhe new chainsaw axe is a freaking monster with ehavy attacks and slaughter : s

[stoic basalt]

I was so excited thinking I finally finished that dog shit penance

[trail quartz]

still dont know if the vet has accedability to it

[stoic basalt]

they need to add some way to track that in game if they are going to make it a challenge

[torn root]

i dont like heavy attacks as much as the rest of the comuunity

[trail quartz]

fuk my english is toilet

[trail quartz]

: 3

[torn root]

i value the cc and consistnecy of bashing and cleaving enemies

so i love the old eviscerator and the new chainsword

[bitter turtle]

man

imagine saying 12k is dead

i wish some games I played had 12k concurrent

[trail quartz]

i hate the old one. its like stucking on an old turd when you try to wiggle it off xD

[bitter turtle]

😔

[torn root]

wish i had better shredder on this

[stoic basalt]

does the old cheese of just dying at the start then having the team res you to win still work?
for that penance

[torn root]

old evisceratore wasn't build for heavies i feel like

bash attack into another cleave just clears hoards

[trail quartz]

whaats your curious

[torn root]

my curios on my zealot are doggy

just toughness and stamina regen

no hp which is sad

[trail quartz]

dont tell me more thats herecy

[torn root]

they arent the high teir versions i should say*

[empty badge]

Question about this

[torn root]

15% toughness x3

then stamina regen and 5%hp on them

[empty badge]

this is my first week. I got lucky on pullinbg slaughterer, what would work in this other blessing spot?

[torn root]

1 has block efficiency, the other has sprinting efficiency

stamina for days

but it could be better

[trail quartz]

it is rly good you can cearly drop the clea sadly you picked +4% critchance which isstn ass but also not that useful slaughterer T4 in the other hand is rly good

[stoic basalt]

welp did a little digging and apparently that penance is bugged with shottys, sometimes works sometimes doesnt

looks like I have to build a revolver

what are the better perks to run on a revolver?

[empty badge]

What could i put in place of rampage, and what d oyou mean drop the clea?

[stoic basalt]

penance or shotty?

[trail quartz]

power cycle T3 or 4

[empty badge]

and yeah, I put in the crit dmg, but what perks do you usually recommend for it in place of?

[trail quartz]

ya what was that for one?

[empty badge]

Revolver im a huge fan of

[stoic basalt]

was using that shotty and its the "Make Every Shot Count" penance

[muted gorge]

if im looking for better crowd control for my melee what would yall recommend?

[golden nacelle]

I like chainsword

[trail quartz]

i just prefer raw dmg over critw, your sword is good but get alteast pwoerscycer on it for ignorintg most cleave and full dmg)

[stoic basalt]

power sword with Power cycler or chain sword with Wrath

at least those are the 2 I run

[muted gorge]

which chainsword?

[empty badge]

I have this one as well

these are also the only 2 power swords i've ever gotten yet

[trail quartz]

sec i send you mine as example for auric T5+

[stoic basalt]

ah I have the Mark IV but thats really a leagcy one in I havent tried the newer one yet

and for the power sword I hear the VI is better

[trail quartz]

thats enough and hits breakpoints but dont throw your old swords away

[empty badge]

oooh i see. gotcha

[stoic basalt]

Im not, barely get enough Plasteel to even try building new ones

they need to add something where I can spend Diamantine to buy Plasteel

[trail quartz]

i know y<our pain. run a few t5 and dont even bother uildsomething for 4 missions. yo uget rich i promise you

[stoic basalt]

15k Diamantine, 400 Plasteel in my pocket, one is a lot more valuable than the other

ew

rolled a Revolver and I got Punishing Salvo

[trail quartz]

i know its the urge to build out of potential. but rly, only do it with good weeapons like 375 ones

[stoic basalt]

worst blessing in the vet pool

[trail quartz]

i fuked up too after 900+ hours xD

[trail quartz]

indeed not

[stoic basalt]

I cant even have the urge with how little plasteel there is

[trail quartz]

vet is oneshot heaven

[torn root]

so a few things when people are looking for good blessings

[stoic basalt]

not with Punishing salvo, I heard its broken and only affects literally the 3 or 4th shot and thats it

[trail quartz]

revolver and so on ye they fit more nto the zealot or psyker stuff but men if blessigs ht you for once good you become the king

[stoic basalt]

not punishing salvo I am dumb

I meant sustained Fire

[torn root]

crit chance and crit damage should be avoided

as in not crafting them yourself because you can be using that craft on a 25% damage boost that does more

[stoic basalt]

surgical a good blessing on revolver? I would think it is

[trail quartz]

the thing is with power cycle you get extra loads of your hits that ignore mass in general. so your sword is even better than mine but the perks are not well chosen. how i mentioned keep the swords for now since they are a real rarity uw u
i prefer raw dmg since the PS wrod jsut needs to ake space for me and deal with maximum maybe maulers and both typesof maniacs, which it 2 shots (maulers 3)

[paper brook]

What do the Karnak twins look like under their helmets?

[torn root]

probably grey and green peeling flesh from their eyes and lips

papa nurgle be blessing

[empty badge]

noted ty. my friend told me those were "best"

[trail quartz]

my ex girlfriend and her brother. enough to kill them them

[empty badge]

so i've just been crafting them onto my weapons lmao

[torn root]

uuuh

[trail quartz]

jsut a joke

[empty badge]

In reality my experience from Verm2 should've said depends on what im targetting

[trail quartz]

a rat?

[empty badge]

only rats

[trail quartz]

would blow my mind if the karnak twins would be vemins

[torn root]

5% crit if it were a 2x damage boost would only be a 5% increase in damage over a long period of attacks

[empty badge]

I just want to beat the twins on the hardest difficulty lol

[torn root]

and in darktide i think most weapons dont even hit the 2x mark on crits

[empty badge]

oh really? thats news to me

[trail quartz]

dude, ahrdmode isstn a joke. the T5 is a cakewalk but the hardmode is rly, rly brutal

[empty badge]

not the hm bells

just t5

[trail quartz]

oh. ok what country are you from? i can join np

[placid kelp]

is agri shotty worth crafting for on this class?

only familiar with the kantrael version for zealots

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

[trail quartz]

sure for exampe the bolter and plasmas. plasma oneshot for example crushers if you got a good build

[placid kelp]

i want to run a melee build with chainsword and considering either keeping the mark 10 laspistol or run something else

[bitter turtle]

revolver or plasma are the most optimal

for melee builds

[trail quartz]

bähh.. r... revolver.. thats for zealots and psykers.. aarrgggg

[placid kelp]

i lowkey hate the plasma bc of the bugs. did they ever patch that?

[bitter turtle]

if you mean ghosting the animation for shots

no

it still does that last i checked

[halcyon zephyr]

they're on vacation, so expect it to stick around

[trail quartz]

no idea what bugs u mean

[jaunty spindle]

Does the "blank on every third and forth shot of a salvo" mean it loops? Like is it one two three four one two three four or does it only work once on trigger pull

[bitter turtle]

you can also do iags for amelee build, but they dont really benefit from right keystone, only your melee really benefits

[umbral scaffold]

Salvos need your gun to reset its recoil first

[placid kelp]

aight, ill try again with the plasma

[white minnow]

you'll have to stop shooting for sustained/punishing to proc again

[umbral scaffold]

So you fire, wait for the recoil to reset and then it can work for salvos again

[bitter turtle]

there is an icon

on the bottom left

on your buff bar

that tells you when opening salvo has reset

[placid kelp]

kinda need to take a break from running the revolver on both my vet and zealot, shit is op

[placid kelp]

ur plasma gun will sometimes shoot a shot without any audio but the game will confirm the hit

[torn root]

join the mk5 club

lmao

[placid kelp]

what blessings are you running on the mk5?

[torn root]

they gun can run anything lmao

[trail quartz]

i didnt spend a lot of time on zalot with the revolver but ye its definitly too strong. but maybe jsut educe the effective range, i see that fine

[trim steppe]

Damn nice, just had an auric damnation with 3 randoms and it was the smoothest run on the planet. A mutant chucked one guy into a DH while we were fighting a Plague Ogryn, no one paniced, we did our jobs and we downed them both easy as. Just 🤌 ✨

[torn root]

death spitter and dumdum are the popular choice

[placid kelp]

ah u mean the iag? i run that shit with the new shovel

[torn root]

im running Sustained Fire and Dumdum

[torn root]

yup

[placid kelp]

gotta go fast

[trail quartz]

depends what you play. if o na team terriffying barrage is ebtter with cloeskills, if you play skirmish its better hit n run

it is up to you what you prefer

simple

[torn root]

i use mine for specials

like seeing crushers die in 2 seconds

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage is just not worth it

[bitter turtle]

wtf

[torn root]

maulers ins the fraction of 1

[bitter turtle]

do not run terrifying barrage

[tall torrent]

IAGs have a lot of good blessings, terrifying barrage is not one of them

[torn root]

terrifying is a troll pick ngl

well maybe not troll

[bitter turtle]

dumdum + firefrenzy/deathspitter for damage
dumdum + stripped down or some other utility one if you prefer utility

[tall torrent]

Dum dum (best)
Raking fire
Fire frenzy
Deathspitter
Stripped down

U can take these 5, all great

[torn root]

but really should be dumdum and frenzy or deathspittter

[tall torrent]

Stripped down is pretty insane though

[trail quartz]

if it works on T5 auric maelstorm im sure it works everywhere, it depends rly what talent you pickeed i suppose since i supress a lot but dont paly that build if im the only vet

[torn root]

i don't like on kill because you can't use them consistently on bosses/monstrosities without splitting attention

so i use sustained fire

[tall torrent]

The issue with terrifying barrage is that it doesn’t suppress stuff you really want to suppress

And IAGs are very high finesse weapons where you want to get headshots

If terrifying barrage suppressed shotgunners, easily A tier pick for that reason alone

[trail quartz]

it does for me. hmm.. maybe it does take longer for other "dmg" types lets say goaners or specials?
i redirect myx fire quite a lot so i cant qute say, but stuff is surely suprssed

[torn root]

i dont think its bad, im not speeking out against much else tbh, just build it to dps, cc isn't horrible either, but just have coverage

[tall torrent]

But shotgunners are immune for suppression

[trail quartz]

i go test it

[halcyon zephyr]

they aren't immune to shooting them faster than they shoot you

[torn root]

dreg shooters arent affected by supression properly still

nvm

[trail quartz]

what autogun di you used?

[torn root]

they finally run from it

[tall torrent]

You can test all 3

[torn root]

shotgunners are immune

yeah

[tall torrent]

You can put both suppression talents on

And terrifying barrage

Does nothing

[torn root]

completely

[trail quartz]

well i dont have all. i test with mk1, than with mk4 i would say. for science! : 3

so that we all know, it makes me curious too

when i start the test i tell you the talent supression-points

[serene sage]

To this day I still don't know what affects suppression

[trail quartz]

every "croud", espacially plasma, autoguns, BOLTERS, they start to go away from the impact you do

[umbral scaffold]

Suppression

[trail quartz]

thats supression

[serene sage]

You misunderstood what I meant

I know what it is, idk what affects it

[trail quartz]

So i start on shotgunners supression with only +25% supressio nand an MKIV

[serene sage]

Ik there is suppression filler

And 50% suppression

But does that mean every gun can suppress the same?

Bolter does a lot of suppression

But shredder clearly doesn't

Like what stats affects it

Are there breakpoints?

Does it matter?

[raw steppe]

Id recommend rolling for dumdum + 2 perks on a good base

For iags

Over 2nd blessing

[trail quartz]

MKIV no stagger

i go now with mk1

[torn root]

supression i think is an invisible bar that has 2 stages

1st the duck

2nd the tunr for cover

some guns have a much easier time fr tho

[tall torrent]

Shotguns have extremely high suppression

[torn root]

3 stages

1st is a flinch, 2nd is a duck 3rd they run away

[trail quartz]

mk1 no stagger.

[torn root]

gunners only flicnh

[trail quartz]

stagger pllies when: ?Plasma OR bolter

[stoic basalt]

REVOLVER FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[serene sage]

Denial anger bargaining depression acceptance

5 stages

[torn root]

XD

[trail quartz]

thank yo, we learned today a bit more ; 3

[torn root]

no regret?

[bleak aurora]

I wanna find a group but I don't know where to post! I'm UK looking for any class? Where the heck do I post, I'm too drunk to read, pls help

[trail quartz]

shotgunenrs are way more reslient to supresion

[stoic basalt]

FINAL VET PENANCE DONE

[torn root]

i guess no one regrets serving papa nurgle

[stoic basalt]

aside from damnation missions

[trail quartz]

hey i think the test was cool : (

[quasi ledge]

What change?

[serene sage]

Holy shit they are doubling Revolver damage

[trail quartz]

example

[torn root]

unyielding and carapace

[trail quartz]

but you can take like +10% elite dmg aswell

[torn root]

dontn take elite damage plz

save yourself

[quasi ledge]

I dont need more toughness, gloryhunter has always been useless to me

[trail quartz]

than take the crit thingy

[torn root]

unyielding and Carapace are the things you need to focus on killing faster with that gun

[trail quartz]

than poxwalkers it is

[quasi ledge]

so even tho volatile secrectly increases your damage and fire rate, take crit?

[trail quartz]

@tall torrent thanks again that was rly interessting : 3

[torn root]

only thing that saves that roll is changing the perks

[serene sage]

Does it?

[torn root]

volatile and shattering impact are decent enough

or just roll a new one maybe

but to make that usable without buring needless plasteel just change the perks

[quasi ledge]

yes, when you have a charge rate above 60% it also increases damage

there was a weird video on how it works

[torn root]

well volatile increases dps

[serene sage]

How recent was the video

Because a lot of bug fixes were done

[torn root]

because you can shoot faster with more damage

due to chargespeed

[serene sage]

And things might have changed

[trail quartz]

peril?

[quasi ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjJYNYlXXTs

go to 8:23

volatile is unironically one of the best dps picks besides shattering impact if the current state hasnt changed since that video

[umbral scaffold]

If memory doesn't fail me, it was 71% or 73% that was the tipping point of charge rate

[quasi ledge]

competes against blaze away

[serene sage]

the problem is, the video is 7 months old

[umbral scaffold]

And that picking volatile with those numbers would actually lower your damage back

[serene sage]

which means it's pre patch 12

[quasi ledge]

mine is 73

[serene sage]

plasma gun has gone through nerfs, buffs, and bug fixes, including how charge rate works

the video might be outdated is what I am trying to say

[quasi ledge]

I read all the patch notes and there has never been anything about volatile recently

[trail quartz]

theoretical true but not practical it is litral in my case a " = "

[serene sage]

but volatile is tied to charge rate fix

[trail quartz]

not bad not good

xD

[serene sage]

well anyway, it's a fucking plasma

the gun is overtuned as fuck

you can virtually take any blessing on it

[trail quartz]

depends. yes if you yolo in sure

[torn root]

well im mostly talking aboutt he charge levels

[quasi ledge]

I have more

Ive tried them all

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[quasi ledge]

to me, shattering and carapace ara a must, everything else is how you play

[trail quartz]

ya sure that with the charge levels is certany true. the thing is i dont want to do everything oslo. thats not my job. and thats ot the job from the whole team thats my point. oneshotting crushers is enough

in the most maelstorms you dont have the luxury to oneshot everything on the screen so you have to make decisions and theres where the brittleness comes into the play

[torn root]

well my comments were just mostly on what to take on the original gun posted

and why it was my choice and opinion why they only needed to change the perks

[trail quartz]

fuk my bad xD

[torn root]

to carapace and unyielding

coverage

they probably have no problem dealing with flak as is tbh

[trail quartz]

never

if yes = skill issue

[torn root]

even less so on maniacs too

[trail quartz]

and i dont use that therm often

[serene sage]

chaos looking shit

[torn root]

and i think volatile + shattering impact is just a good value combo in general

[trail quartz]

herecy..

[trail quartz]

i said it and i say ita again, everyone has a different playstyle that fits.
no offence at all : 3

[serene sage]

nah

mine is the best

[trail quartz]

: 3

xD

[serene sage]

anyone else are bad

[torn root]

not disagreeing with that, but again its to comment on the original post that was ASKING on what would make it better

in general that would be coverage

[trail quartz]

answer: a reliable player with target priority in mind.

thats the vet

or should be

[torn root]

also i think the plasma guns damage still gets boosted for shooting through bulwark shields with carapace bonus

[trail quartz]

i dont know that to be honest. i think bullarks get ingored since they are protcted by an barriere so fuk them.
otherwise the bosses with plasma could penetrate player orgyns shield too (would be more realistic) (well.. 40k warahmmer realsitic.. xD)

but i get what u mean

[torn root]

you can shoot through the shield with the plasma gun

[trail quartz]

well i oneshot them regulary with shield up yes (on t5 mealstorm auric thingy)

but it needs like on crushers to be a headshot sicne there is dmg reduction is involved

had a maelstorm where i shot 1 shotgunner and hit another 4 shotgunners and a bullwark with oenshot and all died cos i was on the ground and they are on a train way up xD

and it must be a charged shot

[torn root]

imma need you to fix up that sentence

my dyslexia just kicked in

[trail quartz]

my keyboard : s

sorry

sec

[torn root]

i got the gist of it

[trail quartz]

sorry for the inconvenience i type mostly too fast and than i fuk up my sentences

[torn root]

happens to a lot of people, i just had to read over slowly

[trail quartz]

i have to write slooower

[torn root]

eeh

[trail quartz]

i hate my keyboard should get a new one : s

[torn root]

so anyone

on the new chainsword got t4 rampage yet?

because at this point im sure its a myth

[trail quartz]

uh nice

3 enemies like 36% close dmg?

i think. and i rly think about the 2h evascrator (if that was english) the biggest drawback on them issnt the dmg but the cleave in general

[torn root]

what are we talking of?

[trail quartz]

talking abou tthe mkXV and the MKII

[torn root]

the chain sword?

[trail quartz]

ya

[torn root]

the XIIg cleaves 3 targets at base

[trail quartz]

cos i have the rampage 4 for it

[torn root]

so i have savage sweep 4, i am just waiting for my rampage 4 blessing

[trail quartz]

so you go for dmg and cleave

[torn root]

4% more damage isn't too neccessary, but damn it i want it

yes

[trail quartz]

wait

issnt it 36 dmg?

[torn root]

damage and cleave is standard on that one i think

[trail quartz]

when hitting atleast 3 fuks?

[torn root]

the difference between t3 and t4 is 4%

[trail quartz]

ah okay

[torn root]

t3 is 32%

[trail quartz]

i dont have t2 and t3 blessig only t4 lel

[torn root]

the weapon thrive with it because of the light combo and the bash combo

the vanguard sweeps are beautiful

[trail quartz]

so you use the eva XV?

[crisp bronze]

Need some help with this knife I got. The stats are good but I don't know if the Perks are good. If the Perks are fine then I'll probably throw on Uncanny Strike and Mercy Killer which is the winning combo for Veteran Combat Knife right?

[torn root]

not the same move set

XIIg has vanguards and easy over heads

[trail quartz]

so its the MKII

[torn root]

so it covers basically everything you want

[trail quartz]

yus

yay, the heavy rip saw sux otherwise its rly good

[dapper vessel]

Uncanny and mercy killer or precognition yes

[torn root]

mk4 only has vanguard on heavy sweeps

and the bash is a disgusting stab

XIIG can bash into vanguard which is good for set up crowds for cleaving

[trail quartz]

the mkXV stab is disgusting guud

[torn root]

then the heavy is an over head so its good for killing melee specials (most accurate heavy attack)

[trail quartz]

oneshot maniacs

[torn root]

the stab has doodoo damage on it bro lmao i dont like it

well maybe it isnt that bad

but setting up groups with the shove and cleave is good CC

safe and kills a bunch of dudes

[trail quartz]

lel if i would have kids they would tell me better jokes.
go to a rager, activate the saw, pushback+long = stab = ded rager

even the flak armored one

atleast on my build

[jovial hinge]

How can I fix this for my vet?

[torn root]

MK 4 is focused on the shredder, XIIG isnt

[trail quartz]

dont take my word but take isntead of ehadtaker slaughterer and isntead of weakspot dmg flak.

thats my gameplay. otherppl would choose something else

[tall torrent]

Option 1:
Headtaker -> thunderous

Option 2:
Bloodletter -> slaughterer

[torn root]

XIIg is literally focused on clearing hoards

[trail quartz]

i love it how diverse this game is from opinions : 3

and i love how everyone has love for the bloodletter xD

[tall torrent]

Thunderous + bloodletter is very strong

Headtaker + slaughterer is also very strong

[trail quartz]

i stick with hordeclear ,depends o nthe team

[jovial hinge]

what about perks?

[torn root]

then XIIg>MK4

[trail quartz]

flak, uyield

[tall torrent]

Thunderous + bloodletter can 1 rev light both ragers (dodge cancel immediately), and 1 rev heavy maulers & crushers

[trail quartz]

XIIg better

[torn root]

yes indeed

thus i love it

[tall torrent]

I find mk4 the tolerable chainsword, and mk13g kind of pointless

[trail quartz]

the clear is so insane dude. its disgusting. everytime i clear a poxhorde i cant watch the screen

[torn root]

my brother of sigmar

[trail quartz]

for an axe it is

[torn root]

xiig is goated

i just love the shove into vanguard imma be honest

[tall torrent]

What do u build on mk13g, the standard wrath/savage sweep + rampage?

[torn root]

but with 60% shredder witht the heavy it covers everything

[trail quartz]

and yo ustill oneshot muties with saw dmg activ lel

[torn root]

hoard clear and melee special killing

[tall torrent]

Does that cover anti-carapace